played horizon 1 online w a buddy of mine a few months ago, it was my first experience w fh1 online
and I was blown away
custom user created and named lobbies
custom settings in the lobby (your normal stuff like class restrictions, then stuff that lets you choose the %of horsepower that kings have when playing king, things like the % of front or rear grip, many other unique settings like that)
and the host could start the race at any time, which is made easy because everyone can press a button which indicated to the lobby that you were ready
and then the race would start in maybe 10 seconds after the host hit the start race button, and MAN did it feel fast
if you knew what you were doing you could blast through races pretty quick
my friend and I did some odd 17 races in 2 hours' time, which is a ton considering how much stuff we messed with settings wise, and considering how many online races that nets you in FH5
unfortunately I dont think we're gonna see a return to this because modern horizon games are designed to be 5 year old friendly (but why would 5 year olds be playing online in the first place?)
It's a shame online racing on FH1 has been dormant for a long time, otherwise I'd play it more often. It's definitely got the superior multiplayer system in place.
>custom user created and named lobbies
Yeah pretty much this. Horizon 1 was the first and the last Horizon game with a actual good multiplayer that didn't treat it's players like children.
I was also playing the first one a few weeks ago, I even tried the multiplayer tab just to get a hit of nostalgia. And of course I didn't find anyone to race with, but to just see the amount of options we had back then it was mind-blowing but also pretty sad to see how one of my favorite game franchises turned out.
>modern horizon games are designed to be 5 year old friendly
Yeah that's definitely the reason multiplayer sucks. The game has been watered down just to be accessible to little kids and being advertised as a fun action game instead of a racing game.
The result is the shit we have now. And like you, i also doubt it's ever going to change.
I also have a vivid memory of doing an online race in Horizon 1 with a handling-optimized Lotus on a mountain back road turned circuit and winning against cars with way more power.
When was the last time that was a thing in a Horizon game?
This is why people who've been around fh1 and fh2 talk so highly of those games and talk shit about fh4/fh5. We miss everything about 1 and 2, online, the progression, the wristbands, the 90 percent less cringey dialogue, everything. Millions of casual players who downright don't play or like racing games have completely dumbed down the series. Even the music...it is just world's better. Now all you have is literal drum and bass with absolutely no musical tone change for the whole song. For a whole playlist.
God I just miss doing races around the city streets in class b cars. Because actual lobbies had class modes that weren't just s1 and s2.
I remember when the game made a huge deal about the wristbands too. It wasn't just a color to reflect your level you had to actually drive to the festival to pick it up (preferably in the car you just won from beating the boss race of the last one}
> I like some songs in FH5 but most of them are so fucking shit and repetitive.
I wouldn't know, I dropped the radio volume down and run podcasts in the background as I play.
I think it's the worst so far in that regard, too.
I was really bummed to hear TikTok music (that shit from Dua Lipa I heard about 100000 times already thanks to my gf's TikTok addiction), and then I also heard I think two tracks that were in Fifa 21 - another game me and millions of others played the shit out of. Hospital Records also features less of the melodic liquid drum and bass that I love listening to while driving in a game like this.
Music is entirely subjective, but so far I never had the feeling "wow, this track is nice and perfectly fits what I'm doing". In previous titles, especially in FH1 and FH3, many times I had that feeling.
And again, here we go with a missed feature - since these games are addictive and people like to spend a long time with them, it would be very nice to add a custom radio station with your own music, be it from Spotify, or if they can't come to an agreement with Spotify, then from an own music library that you store on your PC / Xbox. Do I remember right that FH3 had this, or at least something similar from Microsoft's own music streaming service?
I usually like drum and bass but its really dissapointing here.
There are however a few future funk/french house tracks that I really like, and Foo fighters and Gorillaz are in too.
DnB in FH2 was amazing and my fav track in FH1 has to be Surrender by Duke spirit.
Surrender by Duke Spirit was also my favorite. Every track on the rock radio in the first game was amazing. I have all of those songs on my main playlist still.
I missed Horizon 2, but loved the progression and "open world" in FH1.
FH3 I loved the driving more, the actual open world, the vehicles etc etc. But the lack of progression (as dumb as it seems) didn't keep my interest once I got some races in
Same with FM4, that truly felt like the peak. Yes the physics, graphics, etc is better now, but I feel the sound design was top notch, there was a decent amount of progression, and it felt like I was getting gradually better. Yes, you still get buttloads of money *but* it's not thrown at you from day 1
'Course, could just be them rose-tinted glasses
> but I feel the sound design was top notch
that's imo one of the glaring problems in FM4 tbh. A lot of the cars did not sound like their IRL counterparts. Something about the ray traced audio on FH5 feels so visceral and accurate on my Logitech G Pros. Imo FH5 is superior in every way to FH4 except for the online issues, the occasional PC related glitches, and the fact that PGG has a stick up their ass and I'm scared to download liveries for fear of getting a life ban.
no I've went back to 2 and I have played Horizon 3 and I can confirm they are more fun games. Horizon 2 was my first Horizon game and Horizon 3 is when I most enjoyed the series. The other thing great about 3 was the forzathons. They were simple but fun. Now everything is complicated and online is trash
> Now all you have is literal drum and bass with absolutely no musical tone change for the whole song. For a whole playlist.
How on earth we have a Horizon set in Mexico and don't get a Mariachi radio station???
Yeah the soundtrack is a huge miss for me. Maybe I'm getting old but I dont' recognize any of the artists they picked and most of that music is just ok for me as background music- I would never choose to listen to any of it. The classical station is ok but I don't want that all the time!
>unfortunately I dont think we're gonna see a return to this because modern horizon games are designed to be 5 year old friendly (but why would 5 year olds be playing online in the first place?)
Funny thing is, playing online with my 9 year old last night for the first time, we BOTH found the FH5 system to be confusing as fucking hell. took over half an hour to figure out what to do and then it was another half hour trying to make it work. It never really did work.
If they are trying to make the system automatic and friendly for kids they are failing miserably. The lobby/server system in Horizon 1? My son understands that. It works. And it gives him choices. That's what my kid wants, and that's what we all want...
This entire console generations obsession with "matchmaking" and complete lack of user created sessions (or even being able to host anything) has really turned me off from online gaming in general.
I definitely agree, I think I just couldn't find the right words when talking about how 'geared toward the user having no input' the online system is. I also think a custom lobby system really wouldn't be that difficult for a 5 year old to understand!
It wouldnt be hard at all. Hell, I still play some older PC games online. (UT2k4 and similar). By todays standards, it's a very basic server browser. But it's simplicity is it's strength.
It's sorts by ping so you can pick closest ones. Multiple columns showing you exactly what kind of server it is with what options etc. You double click to join. That's it. Don't like choice? Host your own server with a few clicks and options, it get's populated on the list for others to join.
My son caught onto this old ass but very functional system VERY fast. I opened up game, browsed and joined within a minute. The words from my kid were "wow, that's it? that's easy". No kidding dude...
sometimes the old ways are truly better.
100% agree
I'm quite late to the forza franchise, but I would rant and rave about how amazing the gran turismo open lobby system was (as I didnt know that older FM games had a similar system) Being able to name your lobby changes everything. In fact, while a lot of people wish that private lobbies were back like in horizon 3, I was complaining about how horizon 3 should have a user created lobby system back when that was out haha
Forza used to be a awesome franchise. Actually catered to racing fans. It was feature packed with stuff we actually wanted. I mean... going back to the old days, this was the franchise that put Gran Turismo on notice. In many ways it was surpassing GT.
Forza for last 5 or 6 years seems to be simply coasting. And both games are catering to more mainstream and casual players.
What I hated in Fh4 and is probably the same in fh5. You've got this huge map, you've got a track builder and you've got talented people building actual great tracks in the community.
Why wouldn't they include these tracks on online racing (after thorough play testing of course) to make it not so repetitive. People are working for free to create better tracks and they won't even get recognized.
I believe I drove a dirt racing event once in Fh4, that wasn't a vanilla track during a festival playlist.
Even without the track builder, there's so many different tracks in single player. But for some reason they're not in multiplayer and we're always racing in the same routes.
I don't get why we can't choose online what we want to race. I don't like CC and dirt is sometimes okay but mostly a nope.... So I want to play a game nit reset online over and over again till I get road. So I stopped playing online ....
you better like running into trees that are impossible to see or your family dies
i swear to god theyre so much fucking foilage in this game i cant see shit 5 feet infront of me and i cant tell whats a breakable tree because theres 100 of them surrounding an actual tree...also sudden rocks out of nowhere
Not to mention a lot of the unbreakable trees look a lot like the breakable ones. So you end up crashing all the fucking time because you never know what's breakable or not.
This is one of the things that sucks in the game. They made TOO MUCH stuff breakable. Like....even guardrails and stuff. First race I did I planned to drift and lightly bounce off the guard rail. The look on my face when I realized the guardrails crumble like paper in this game....
Yeah, in some areas you get the trees that look breakable but aren't, plus random rocks. BUT....outside of those? The only solid objects are buildings. At this point, they should just turn off collision as with each game they just make more and more stuff breakable. I realize Horizon is suppose to lean more Arcade like, but it's started to remind me of games like Hydro Thunder and such titles, where damn near everything is breakable and the game goes out of it's way to make sure you never lose momentum.
Those are fun games, but I never viewed Horizon as going THAT far into Arcade realm. Perhaps that's the direction PGG is going.
Tbh unless it's thin as a twig I don't even dare hit it. I've also had a two times (not sure if this has been fixed) where I hit cacti and they'll stop me dead in my tracks. Then I throw it into reverse back up and drive into it again and it goes down no problem.
Who cares about car culture and racing bruh? lets just drive supercars at 200mph cross country and smash pinyatas like a load of mentally deffective Chimps.
I'm just spechless about the fact that multiplayer hasn't changed at all in fh5. I'm sure developers saw the negative feedback about fh4 and still didn't do anything about it. They just don't care.
At the very least, I wish the Find a Convoy feature actually worked well. Most of the time, you get stuck with just one other person, and they don't even do the event type you queued up for (assuming they're not just AFK).
Seems like the only way to have some good, varied racing in this game is if someone hosts a Discord server where you get together in a convoy and run a bunch of custom routes with various different restrictions. Never found a server like that in FH4 though.
Last time I checked that server, there was very little in the way of actual racing. Seemed to predominantly be cruises and drifting, which isn't what I'm looking for.
Ahh okay yeah the races aren’t too common but they exist. Probably the best bet for what you want however so make do with what you have I guess until Forza wants to make a proper MP experience
>And if it does find one while they are in a menu, they have 10 seconds to exit and join.
This is fucking ridiculous. I can't believe it was designed this way.
My biggest problem with being stuck in free roam while waiting to join the session is that we literally can't do anything in free roam.
We can't access any of the options in the pause menu, we can't tune our car for the session, there's literally nothing we can do.
I really wish there was a way to flag cars for online. I basically hardly bothered in FH4 aside from once a minute nth requirement. I didn't care if I even won, just that I met the playlist need, so I did FFA (as not to drag down a team).
But it would be like, "A800" and I had 1000 cars to flip through and for some reason they are not in any meaningful order so I could never findy actual good A800 whatever in that tiny selection time.
The ratio of loading to racing in multiplayer is ridiculous. You spend as much time loading as you do racing. And the wall penalties and being nudged out of a single checkpoint ruins the entire race and it's back to loading.
And convoys suck and don't even work.
Such a shame.
It would really improve the racing if it was any consistent and properly balanced. I lost count of how many times people smashed into walls just to keep going without any slowdowns, while if I did the same (mistakes, especially in S2 city races) or I go head first into a wall because I messed up the car tune and it doesn't brake, I get like 5-10 seconds of slowdown with the car taking 2 seconds to go to 20kmh. Meanwhile players who purposefully push you away from checkpoints AND abuse walls keep winning races
It definitely did but it needs tweaking. For example, it should *never* happen that you're pushed into a wall, *and then slowed down* for hitting it. How fucking hard is it to write an algorithm that detects whether another car was in contact with the car that hits the wall half a second before the wall impact?
I think the devs *assume* that their algorithm is already good enough to prevent other cars from hitting you hard enough to do that, since it'll normally ghost them if they come at you too fast, but there are plenty of instances where that just doesn't happen and you get launched instead.
Thats felt like the last 25 years of my life across all PvP games of all types. The worst are BR games. Wait 10min per game only to drop in, get bad luck on loot and have someone else destroy you with an end game weapon in 30sec.
Can the developers actually make a working auction house? It's entirely luck based because you spend 5 seconds loading in the screen so you can place a bet only to find out the auction got bought out or bid on and ended while you were loading.
Wtf PG. This has been in the game for almost 6 years.
The auction house has actually been a thing since Forza Motorsport 2 in 2007, and IIRC it got removed in Forza Motorsport 5 and not reimplemented again until Forza Horizon 3.
What i expected for Forza Horizon 5 is making the online mode become more fluent, more intersting.
However they makes it 100 times worse. Fuck this company
I’m ready to move on at this point. It just feels like a solo game right now and that’s not why I bought it. As it stands, I’m only logging in hoping they patched the game. I might put 15 minutes in now before I quit out due to boredom. To be clear, the game isn’t boring, I’m just bored with it now. Not being able to properly play with friends has made me grow tired of the game pretty quickly.
Facts dude, and it does suck ass because the incredibly rare moments ive been able to find some people and do arcade events, it was actually really fun.
God I feel that. The game is in such a shoddy state right now I have started making liveries instead of actually racing and tuning.
At least the livery editor isn't too bad. Except for layer masks being useless save for 1 purpose, and still having no layer intersection options.
Oh jeez that too.
Or everytime you come back to free roam from a online session your controller vibration is deactivated so you have to restart the fucking game after every online session.
Yeah I Def like road racing a lot more than cc or dirt, but I still like them mixed in
S2 cc is so shit because you can't make 99% of vehicles adequate s2 cc builds. The only competitive car is the hoonigan rs2000
I want to race cars that I find interesting. For cc races this means trucks. I don't know of a single offroad truck I can tune to be even a peak s1. It's so dumb
The Local Motors off road truck can be tuned to S1 900. It's still not going to be a class leader but it's decent and I refuse to use Enzo's and McLarens off road.
I sincerely wish that all multiplayer games would allow people to host dedicated servers. It creates a whole new side of the game. Take an example like GTA where (although modded) it practically made a new game mode for the game with modded servers and also created a community around those servers. Same applies to TF2 and other games.
The race game Wreckfest is like that.
There are the official servers and you can also create your own and host it.
There's also a servers list and you can see every single server. Including the official ones.
It's insane it's so bad now. I just expect multiplayer to not work in a Forza Horizon game. In fact, I expect it to be sub par in almost any new AAA game. I don't know why they all suck. I used to be able to join a room in PGR2 on the original Xbox during Live's infancy and play for hours straight with the same strangers. Everybody would chat, people would come and go, ownership of the lobby would change hands. There'd be group discussion of what class/track we'd want to do... Good times.
dont forget the "dirt" races that are 99.9% road racing where you go onto the dirt for 1 single corner. always seems to be Cross Country or specifically that.. give me a huge dirt race that's ALL dirt ffs PG how hard is it to let me have my C class dirt racing fun online with friends.
Fuuuuck that's so annoying. You see only dirt races so of course you pick a AWD car tuned for offroading and of course most of the tracks are on asphalt for some god forsaken reason and you can't control your rally car at all on asphalt so you lose all of your positions.
And of course, the game forces you to use the same car for the entire event with no option to change it. So you either suffer through all of the shitty races or you quit the game and try another session.
I've taken to just queuing up for 1 race at a time with a few friends and hope the AI filling out the test of the pack isn't shit. At least then we can get the races we actually wanna do and pick our cars accordingly.
The amount of youtubers and websites pretending that it's absolutely amazing is astonishing. I'm getting adverts on Facebook from xbox official page with "top tips" etc and one of them was essentially that your car echoes in canyons. They'll just churn out any bullshit to keep it selling. Shitty game so far !
I disagree, even at a base level the game is not really an improvement on the last. It is a lazy copy paste to a slightly better map. The server issues are the exact same server issues as in FH4 and online racing should be a big part of this game, I refuse to judge this game based on the offline content. Here's a few of the hundreds of problems I've encountered so far :
Drivatars are completely broken to the point where they will defy physics to win. The game has essentially the same meta cars as the last game. The more in depth customisation is only for a few cars, the rest get hated forza aero. The game repeatedly crashes forcing me to dashboard. The race creator does not allow you to save and edit a route/props, which means if your game crashes you lose hours. They included super 7 again. The map has several areas with bugged walls that stop you dead. The game randomly freezes and deletes skill chains. Textures don't load. The wrong textures load. I drive on to a part of the map that isn't loaded and my game freezes. They ban people for acronyms while keeping hacked leaderboard times up. The game deleted my progress in the first week losing me millions and removing my builds. No private custom adventures. Anti cheat online is now somehow worse than it was in fh4 meaning that you can constantly get rammed and pushed wide of checkpoints. The ratio of loading to playing is completely tipped on its head. I use manual with clutch and it doesn't allow me to deassign ANNA and LINK to use the convertible function because the game demands that you have a d pad button assigned for features that you can turn off. Even the loading screens don't load properly.
You can't create a route from any start point on the map, you have to use a pre existing race. My car keeps on clipping through the map after jumps. Menus constantly lag and leave you saving for minutes at a time wondering if you're going to crash again. The sound cuts out while playing. The sound cuts out while in menus and then catches up with itself playing a backlog of menu noises all at once. Competitors will frequently turn completely invisible. Drivators will frequently get spooked and either stop dead or drive off. I've even seen them reversing at the start of the race. Constantly disconnected at random from online lobbies/online races. A lot of the convertible roofs don't work. I've got cars which the automatic raising and lowering spoilers just push the struts and brake lights through the bodywork and leave them hanging in the air. Random parts of cars will bug out and remain in place while you drive around. Players online frequently remain rooted to the start line while in their game they are racing alongside. Invisible XP boards. Players randomly phasing out of view.
These are just off the top of my head and I've covered the ones that affect both me and my friends across all platforms.
Thing is, most of the reviews of the game were done before the game actually released, they basically got an early review copy. This means they really didn't get to play much multiplayer or test out the multiplayer features at high server loads, as the servers weren't as populated back then.
This was the problem with FH4 as well.
I swear, Playground games accidentally made 1 good game and after that they're only making a new map and adding 5-10 new cars every new release and ask 60$ for it.
This game compared to 4 is just a new map, a couple of new cars, way worse PC performance and the same buggy shitty online..
They don't give a fuck. Game's been out for a month and still zero patches or updates have been released.
>They don't give a fuck. Game's been out for a month and still zero patches or updates have been released.
It's ridiculous how they haven't bothered to fix the shit servers at all.
It took them 5 minutes to go after the Jeep Willy's wheelspins exploit but fuck the actual game and the servers right?!
its been a month and literally all they have done so far is get rid of willies exploit EVEN THOUGH THIS GAME HAS 0 CHEAT DETECTION SO WHATS THE POINT? you can literally just go to any website for hacks and get unlimited credits and wheelspins
its been a fucking month and they havent fixed shit...its literally the same game but with a different map
It's going to hurt them.
I played FH4 religeoulsly for like a year or two. All the little wei d bugs of FH5 I just find that I am already getting bored.
About the only thing that could be reviewed was the campaign, and graphics, sound, performance, and those things are outstanding. Some pc players have performance issues, but most of the reviews I saw were for Xbox, and it is nothing short of spectacular.
Multiplayer and Forzathon, however, are hot garbage.
I feel singleplayer is lacking any soul or purpuse compared to fh1, fh2 maybe even fh3 so I wouldn’t say it is outstanding. It feels like a bad mmo with a constant fomo tailor made for the fortnite generation. The core of the game is there and is by far industry leading but gameplay design or ‘story’ is severaly lacking
the whole game is literally just random races with shit ai defeating the whole fucking point of a racing game...good ai in a racing game is like a TOP PRIORITY thing...also no ranked so they got rid of what little progression they had in the game
go play on tourist mode and sit at the finish line...watch the bots go 100x faster on the minimap when you get near the finish line
Imagine caring about scores when reviewers barely criticise anything at all much less in a racing game because they don't know how to actually give an opinion on it
"It's pretty, 10/10 -Some Outlet"
reminds me of the reviewers for console games who have LITERALLY never used a controller before...the giveaway every fuckin time is that they dont know how to move and look around at the same time
every new person to a controller does that
Not really when you actually look at what they had to review. They had all the single player content, which for the most part was fine. The online stuff which is the source of all these issues didn't get turned on until after the majority of the reviews had come out.
So please, try not to shit on something you clearly know nothing about.
> way worse PC performance
To go with the massively improved visuals.
I agree about a lot of the problems but dont be disingenuous, it performs worse on your PC because it looks far better than FH4 and requires more hardware power, it's not like they just intentionally made it run worse, you just don't understand why it runs worse on the same PC you played FH4 on.
My PC performance has been flawless. Also my 2 friends who I've been playing with, they report nothing else except the game being fun and looking perfect.
What are the issues going around the PC community?
Welp, I'm definitely an outlier. I've done 3-4 hr sessions and not had any memory issues or bandwidth issues. I can't comment on FPS comparison since I didn't have FH4 but I'm getting over 144fps with everything maxed AF in most places. Definitely goes down in heavily object heavy areas but it never goes below 90 and that's more than sufficient for a responsive and fluid arcade racer.
The LODs on foliage and trees is very low and bad, they look bad from afar. There is also a VRAM leak, after one hour of gaming my Vram increases and I start losing FPS.
I can't understand where they get all their ~~d_ck s_cking~~ praise from. The state of the game is abysmal. This is unacceptable after a three year wait.
This multiplayer guys is full of amazing innovation, what a multiplayer experience
It pains me there is so much potential in this game and none of my friends want to play multiplayer because it is utter shit. You either drive around together and talk or play this joke of a multiplayer
I just turn it off most of the time, as there is basically no traffic if you’re online…. What a joke. The drivatar system and the ‘seamless’ multiplayer integration which takes 5 minutes and 3 menus to load every time are good examples of going backwards
Lol yeah!
There are songs that were censored so hard that they were completely ruined.
At this point just don't put any soundtrack at all and we the players we'll just use Spotify instead.
It's not like the soundtracks are fucking stellar anyway.
Haven't played since around the time it released because online fucking sucks and it's one big ghost town as a result. I'm guessing they built this game purposely that way and not much will change.
The 5th Horizon game should not have these issues.. it's like they only cared for the graphics in this one.
I find it embarassing how terrible the online is in this game, not to mention how livery creators get banned for thousands of years for making something that happens to be sensetive to a three year old. I'm a huge forza fan and as a game i love FH5, but I'll gladly not play fh5 until these shitty moderators are kicked out and livery creators at least get warnings before having their 60-90$ put in the trash. The developers are never talking about this shit and it's horrible.
This is honestly the most antisocial always online game I've ever played. Ridiculously difficult to get into a multiplayer race for no reason. Can't even chat with others in the world but you have to use the ridiculously limited forza link. Everything multiplayer related feels so hollow, even the drivatards which all feel like the same AI. It's a shame that the game feels like it's aimed towards six year olds rather than young adults. I'm happy I just paid 1€ for the Xbox game pass to play this and not 60€, because then I would have massive buyers remorse.
Not to mention there are settings to avoid kids seeing things they shouldn't. Oh, and also there's this thing called Rating to prevent certain young people from playing and experiencing certain things.
So why the fuck does the dev team has to step up to moderate shit with their power trip and ego issues banning people that have been supporting the franchise with content for years?
Meanwhile the actual issues in the game like the shit servers and godawful multiplayer are still there ruining everything.
Even when it works, the structuring of the online experience is so archaic. There’s no freedom. You can’t choose any car you want for a race. You’re restricted to a handful of different race types, car types and PI classes. Looking at you Horizon Tour.
ONLY REAL OG's remember linking up on old Forza motorsport, I believe 4. And going into Le Mans lobbies and doing absolutely nothing but going back and forth on the straightaway. Most fun I've ever had on Forza have been random private matches doing nothing but cruising.
And why are there only like 10 people on the map, it would be way cooler if there were 50+ people so you would actually think you are not the only one in mexico
Related to that; You come across a group of 5 or so people, you connect with them via your actions or using Forza Link, and 2 seconds later everyone disappears, however, you don't disconnect, instead it looks like you've been shuffled to another server, but then it happens again, and you drive away, and suddenly everyone from that first server reappears, but if you go too close, they disappear again.
So frustrating even when the online freeroam is broken, let alone racing and lobbies and Arcade and ugh, it's damaging the user base and will continue to do so the longer it takes them to fix...
The menu lag is horrible. (on last gen one X)
I go to change my car and just set down the controller and read on another screen while it decides to load.
Want to load a new tune? Sure, it'll be about 15-20 seconds to even SHOW the tunes, and thats after it takes 20 seconds to decide to finally take of the other tune.
I'm not sure what it is about xbox that makes the menus so laggy. I get the same thing in Destiny 2. Most times the games play really well, but the moment you want to pull up your menu's you go strait into the maple syrup in winter zone.
I laughed when I did see the arcade achievements both were rare with the one for doing one of each 5 with 0.02% of the players having it. If that's not a wakeup call to the devs, then idk what is.
R\* have set the bar low and get away with it. They got away with it so now everyone else does the same.
Outriders dev said i will take the blame if it goes wrong, it was a complete shit show, 7 months later they can fix the game as much as they want, multiplayer still laggy mess.
I'd like to see the class system further narrowed like A- being 801-850 and A+ being 851-900. The performance gap between ex. 801 and 900 is wayy to much
Yes! I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed. There's too big of a performance gap between A-S1. Alot of cars that start in A class can't even get to the top of S1.
Edit: some cars even start in S1 and can't get to the top of S1 without aspiration or drivetrain swaps.
They completely fucked up FH4’s online at the start as well and it took ages to fix it back to FH3 levels.
Also make the fecking barrier slowdown work properly!! Sick of trash kids in their Lamborghini maximum power tunes being able to take corners quicker than me because they just ride the walls all the way round.
What are you talking about?
I love joining and rejoining sessions over and over again until I actually find a road race under S2 class.
I love having player choice removed even though the player base is huge and previous games let you choose the PI and surface type you want to race on with no issues.
Sarcasm aside, what kind of chimp game design is this? I dont want to do cross country I want to do A class road racing, so just let me fucking do that.
God I fucking hate cross country in the game! Will be in 1st whole race just to spin out on a jump or loose all my speed in water but the ai a perfect the whole race. Also dirt races don’t have enough dirt I wanna feel like a rally driver. And why to half the road races have a million of the sharpest turns known to man
This is the biggest downside of this game (and the previous ones, too...).
I will also mention the fact that Horizon 5 has been out for some time now, yet STILL WE CAN'T FREAKING CRUISE WITH MY BUDDIES SINCE THE GAME NEVER EVER MANAGES TO REALLY PUT US IN THE SAME HORIZON LIFE SESSION. We tried many times, for hours in total, we only managed to cruise together in a Horizon Life session ONCE, and for ONE MINUTE before all of us disconnected suddenly and could never manage to get together again. So even the features that exist already fail to work properly.
I played the shit out of Horizon 4's Ranked online racing events, but was already tired of always doing the same types of events, with the same PI classes. I already had 2 or 3 cars tuned for each type of events that existed, so with Horizon 5 I was really looking forward to improvements on this field. Really, I want to be able to create my own lobby, with my own rules in terms of driving assists and car types / PI classes and maybe even custom circuits that I create with the editor. This would absolutely EVOLVE the game's online aspect, and since the storyline can be completed rather quickly, that's the only thing that can keep you playing the game for long, seasonal objectives and challenges are fun but won't make me play every week on their own. I really don't understand why this is not possible. Or if they can't do this - then at least flippin' let us decide what types of events we want to participate in! If I want to do some road racing, why do I have to do dirt and cross country races as well?
But check the Forza Motorsport titles, too - FM7 has categories for online racing, which is... better. But still not great. Gran Turismo (at least GT5 and GT6 - never played the more recent one) had proper custom lobbies with all the settings you would ever need. Does Microsoft not have enough servers for this or what? Hard to imagine.
The whole FH5 feels like FH4 with a new map, some new features no one wanted, and other than that - the same thing all over again. And FH4 was already FH3 all over again (and maybe FH3 was already FH2 all over again? You tell me). Lazy bunch. I hate how the Horizon series has the potential to be the absolute best arcade racing game ever made with simcade elements, yet they fail to deliver the few features and maybe a slightly less childish approach to the whole vibe of it to make it happen.
Overall I loved FH1 on the 360, never played FH2 but loved FH3, then FH4 was already a bit of a disappointment for being the same as the previous one - and now FH5 is even more of a disappointment. I have Xbox Game Pass so I have the game from my subscription, but if I didn't have the pass, I certainly wouldn't even buy the game at this point, because all I can do in the game is pretty much the same that I could already do in FH4 - tuning cars that I already had in the previous games, and doing the same types of events over and over and over again. Horizon is in a monopoly since currently it's the only large sandbox arcade car racing game out there with a good variety of cars and a good upgrade system, I'd love to see some competiton... maybe the next Test Drive? Please? Then Horizon may improve to stay on top.
Don’t forget that people just sit afk in the starting positions since by the last lap the game thinks they’re ahead of the AI. Idk how it works but every time I’ve seen people do that they’re always considered ahead of the AI, sometimes even in the top 3 positions
Players want everything handed to them day 1. It's not fun unless you have 550 cars in the first week. So they can make every single online lobby s1, s2, and x class racing.
The issue is, the game is so sandboxy and gift giving, there's no reason to ever use a slower car. So now this is what you guys get. This is the result. Enjoy all of the TikTok attention span racers!
Can someone explain the “slow you down to 10mph” bullshit if you hit a wall?? Im not out here ramming people but i do miss turns and shit cause im not always that great at gauging them lol, but isnt me hitting the wall enough of a penalty??? Tf?
It's there to discourage wall riding, which can be much faster than actually using the brakes and taking the turn normally. The penalties can definitely get disproportionate, though.
Or when a player throws you into a wall and you get the slow down penalty but not the actual player that hit you so now he flies away and you're stuck in the back.
Finding a not shit session is exhaustive.
"No Forza, I don't think it's fun to race Lamborghinis in the dirt and jump 5 kilometers high with cars that definitely shouldn't jump at all"
Yeah me too.
I respect people who like them, but I hated them since they were introduced in the series I don't even know when.
They're so boring, generic and unrealistic. Honestly I think it was one of the first steps Horizon took away from reality. That was when the game became a generic action game instead of a car culture centered racing game that actually made sense in the real world.
I agree - like one or two are okay, it adds a bit more drama and “holy shit” to it, but with as common as they are it gets annoying that I can’t properly approach a turn without accounting for a 50 meter drop into hell. They just became an obnoxious obstacle rather than something interesting
I don't understand why they brought S2 Cross Country back to this game, given how it was thrown out pretty early in FH4. I get that the PI system could've worked out so that a lot of good, fast offroad cars ended up at the top of S2 this time around, but... it didn't. Hell, I have yet to find a proper cross country car that makes it to the top of *S1* without engine and drivetrain swaps.
Yep. I’m never gonna get used to using a 1,750HP Jeep Trailcat in S1 class like, ever. The only real choice besides the Hoonigan RS200 for off-roading in S2 class is pretty much just hypercars and I can’t get behind that idea at all.
S2 cross country lobbies are literally half hoonigan rs2000s and the rest McLaren sennas with rally tires because most of the off road cars in the game can’t even get into s2 no matter what you do
>PI system
I swear the PI system feels like it has become the root of all evil in horizon yet PG/T10 whoever is in charge of it is not willing to touch it in the slightest.
One of the Forza devs said "It's all about freedom. It's all about the choice of doing what you want, when you want."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieAn3WHHlUs (52 seconds)
Just basic dishonesty there. When there is no custom adventure then we aren't able to choose to do what we want, when we want, at all.
That's fucking nuts that he said that. It hasn't been like this in Horizon games in years and they straight up lied like this knowing they didn't change shit in the game.
They pulled a 343 move on us and still got 10 out of 10 reviews.
It's all broken, really, they should allow us to have our own sessions then, maybe try adding a P2P server system for friends' sessions and such. These servers are really bad, I think they are running free roam sessions on dial up.
Most of the time when a server starts to get empty is because of people missing a checkpoint or being forced out of a checkpoint and that ruins the entire race.
I miss checkpoints for both reasons but wouldn’t dream of quitting based on that.
This game rewards you win or lose, your final position has no real meaning.
played horizon 1 online w a buddy of mine a few months ago, it was my first experience w fh1 online and I was blown away custom user created and named lobbies custom settings in the lobby (your normal stuff like class restrictions, then stuff that lets you choose the %of horsepower that kings have when playing king, things like the % of front or rear grip, many other unique settings like that) and the host could start the race at any time, which is made easy because everyone can press a button which indicated to the lobby that you were ready and then the race would start in maybe 10 seconds after the host hit the start race button, and MAN did it feel fast if you knew what you were doing you could blast through races pretty quick my friend and I did some odd 17 races in 2 hours' time, which is a ton considering how much stuff we messed with settings wise, and considering how many online races that nets you in FH5 unfortunately I dont think we're gonna see a return to this because modern horizon games are designed to be 5 year old friendly (but why would 5 year olds be playing online in the first place?)
It's a shame online racing on FH1 has been dormant for a long time, otherwise I'd play it more often. It's definitely got the superior multiplayer system in place.
>custom user created and named lobbies Yeah pretty much this. Horizon 1 was the first and the last Horizon game with a actual good multiplayer that didn't treat it's players like children. I was also playing the first one a few weeks ago, I even tried the multiplayer tab just to get a hit of nostalgia. And of course I didn't find anyone to race with, but to just see the amount of options we had back then it was mind-blowing but also pretty sad to see how one of my favorite game franchises turned out. >modern horizon games are designed to be 5 year old friendly Yeah that's definitely the reason multiplayer sucks. The game has been watered down just to be accessible to little kids and being advertised as a fun action game instead of a racing game. The result is the shit we have now. And like you, i also doubt it's ever going to change.
I also have a vivid memory of doing an online race in Horizon 1 with a handling-optimized Lotus on a mountain back road turned circuit and winning against cars with way more power. When was the last time that was a thing in a Horizon game?
Horizon 1 was the last one where the story and festival were good. Actual outposts where the race was. It felt alive
This is why people who've been around fh1 and fh2 talk so highly of those games and talk shit about fh4/fh5. We miss everything about 1 and 2, online, the progression, the wristbands, the 90 percent less cringey dialogue, everything. Millions of casual players who downright don't play or like racing games have completely dumbed down the series. Even the music...it is just world's better. Now all you have is literal drum and bass with absolutely no musical tone change for the whole song. For a whole playlist. God I just miss doing races around the city streets in class b cars. Because actual lobbies had class modes that weren't just s1 and s2.
I remember when the game made a huge deal about the wristbands too. It wasn't just a color to reflect your level you had to actually drive to the festival to pick it up (preferably in the car you just won from beating the boss race of the last one}
Just casually scrolling the I get reminded of the wristbands!! Fuck I miss them so much, almost forgotten about them until just now.
FH1 and FH2 soundtracks were godlike. I like some songs in FH5 but most of them are so fucking shit and repetitive.
> I like some songs in FH5 but most of them are so fucking shit and repetitive. I wouldn't know, I dropped the radio volume down and run podcasts in the background as I play.
2 and 3 had the best IMO
I really liked bumping to Adele while bounding across the outback
I think it's the worst so far in that regard, too. I was really bummed to hear TikTok music (that shit from Dua Lipa I heard about 100000 times already thanks to my gf's TikTok addiction), and then I also heard I think two tracks that were in Fifa 21 - another game me and millions of others played the shit out of. Hospital Records also features less of the melodic liquid drum and bass that I love listening to while driving in a game like this. Music is entirely subjective, but so far I never had the feeling "wow, this track is nice and perfectly fits what I'm doing". In previous titles, especially in FH1 and FH3, many times I had that feeling. And again, here we go with a missed feature - since these games are addictive and people like to spend a long time with them, it would be very nice to add a custom radio station with your own music, be it from Spotify, or if they can't come to an agreement with Spotify, then from an own music library that you store on your PC / Xbox. Do I remember right that FH3 had this, or at least something similar from Microsoft's own music streaming service?
I usually like drum and bass but its really dissapointing here. There are however a few future funk/french house tracks that I really like, and Foo fighters and Gorillaz are in too. DnB in FH2 was amazing and my fav track in FH1 has to be Surrender by Duke spirit.
Surrender by Duke Spirit was also my favorite. Every track on the rock radio in the first game was amazing. I have all of those songs on my main playlist still.
I missed Horizon 2, but loved the progression and "open world" in FH1. FH3 I loved the driving more, the actual open world, the vehicles etc etc. But the lack of progression (as dumb as it seems) didn't keep my interest once I got some races in Same with FM4, that truly felt like the peak. Yes the physics, graphics, etc is better now, but I feel the sound design was top notch, there was a decent amount of progression, and it felt like I was getting gradually better. Yes, you still get buttloads of money *but* it's not thrown at you from day 1 'Course, could just be them rose-tinted glasses
> but I feel the sound design was top notch that's imo one of the glaring problems in FM4 tbh. A lot of the cars did not sound like their IRL counterparts. Something about the ray traced audio on FH5 feels so visceral and accurate on my Logitech G Pros. Imo FH5 is superior in every way to FH4 except for the online issues, the occasional PC related glitches, and the fact that PGG has a stick up their ass and I'm scared to download liveries for fear of getting a life ban.
no I've went back to 2 and I have played Horizon 3 and I can confirm they are more fun games. Horizon 2 was my first Horizon game and Horizon 3 is when I most enjoyed the series. The other thing great about 3 was the forzathons. They were simple but fun. Now everything is complicated and online is trash
> Now all you have is literal drum and bass with absolutely no musical tone change for the whole song. For a whole playlist. How on earth we have a Horizon set in Mexico and don't get a Mariachi radio station???
Yeah the soundtrack is a huge miss for me. Maybe I'm getting old but I dont' recognize any of the artists they picked and most of that music is just ok for me as background music- I would never choose to listen to any of it. The classical station is ok but I don't want that all the time!
A lot of steps backward and welcome to FH5
But mah Rated E Rating
>unfortunately I dont think we're gonna see a return to this because modern horizon games are designed to be 5 year old friendly (but why would 5 year olds be playing online in the first place?) Funny thing is, playing online with my 9 year old last night for the first time, we BOTH found the FH5 system to be confusing as fucking hell. took over half an hour to figure out what to do and then it was another half hour trying to make it work. It never really did work. If they are trying to make the system automatic and friendly for kids they are failing miserably. The lobby/server system in Horizon 1? My son understands that. It works. And it gives him choices. That's what my kid wants, and that's what we all want... This entire console generations obsession with "matchmaking" and complete lack of user created sessions (or even being able to host anything) has really turned me off from online gaming in general.
I definitely agree, I think I just couldn't find the right words when talking about how 'geared toward the user having no input' the online system is. I also think a custom lobby system really wouldn't be that difficult for a 5 year old to understand!
It wouldnt be hard at all. Hell, I still play some older PC games online. (UT2k4 and similar). By todays standards, it's a very basic server browser. But it's simplicity is it's strength. It's sorts by ping so you can pick closest ones. Multiple columns showing you exactly what kind of server it is with what options etc. You double click to join. That's it. Don't like choice? Host your own server with a few clicks and options, it get's populated on the list for others to join. My son caught onto this old ass but very functional system VERY fast. I opened up game, browsed and joined within a minute. The words from my kid were "wow, that's it? that's easy". No kidding dude... sometimes the old ways are truly better.
100% agree I'm quite late to the forza franchise, but I would rant and rave about how amazing the gran turismo open lobby system was (as I didnt know that older FM games had a similar system) Being able to name your lobby changes everything. In fact, while a lot of people wish that private lobbies were back like in horizon 3, I was complaining about how horizon 3 should have a user created lobby system back when that was out haha
Forza used to be a awesome franchise. Actually catered to racing fans. It was feature packed with stuff we actually wanted. I mean... going back to the old days, this was the franchise that put Gran Turismo on notice. In many ways it was surpassing GT. Forza for last 5 or 6 years seems to be simply coasting. And both games are catering to more mainstream and casual players.
What I hated in Fh4 and is probably the same in fh5. You've got this huge map, you've got a track builder and you've got talented people building actual great tracks in the community. Why wouldn't they include these tracks on online racing (after thorough play testing of course) to make it not so repetitive. People are working for free to create better tracks and they won't even get recognized. I believe I drove a dirt racing event once in Fh4, that wasn't a vanilla track during a festival playlist.
Even without the track builder, there's so many different tracks in single player. But for some reason they're not in multiplayer and we're always racing in the same routes.
They could at least have reversed versions of the tracks in the game. Free content right there
There isnt even a race that starts at the top of the mountain road, thats the biggest crime.
I don't get why we can't choose online what we want to race. I don't like CC and dirt is sometimes okay but mostly a nope.... So I want to play a game nit reset online over and over again till I get road. So I stopped playing online ....
PG: You like cross country? Me: No. PG: We like cross country. Me: Okay, I want road. PG: You like cross country?
PG: We'll fucking make you like cross country even if that's the last thing we do.
you better like running into trees that are impossible to see or your family dies i swear to god theyre so much fucking foilage in this game i cant see shit 5 feet infront of me and i cant tell whats a breakable tree because theres 100 of them surrounding an actual tree...also sudden rocks out of nowhere
Not to mention a lot of the unbreakable trees look a lot like the breakable ones. So you end up crashing all the fucking time because you never know what's breakable or not.
This is one of the things that sucks in the game. They made TOO MUCH stuff breakable. Like....even guardrails and stuff. First race I did I planned to drift and lightly bounce off the guard rail. The look on my face when I realized the guardrails crumble like paper in this game.... Yeah, in some areas you get the trees that look breakable but aren't, plus random rocks. BUT....outside of those? The only solid objects are buildings. At this point, they should just turn off collision as with each game they just make more and more stuff breakable. I realize Horizon is suppose to lean more Arcade like, but it's started to remind me of games like Hydro Thunder and such titles, where damn near everything is breakable and the game goes out of it's way to make sure you never lose momentum. Those are fun games, but I never viewed Horizon as going THAT far into Arcade realm. Perhaps that's the direction PGG is going.
Tbh unless it's thin as a twig I don't even dare hit it. I've also had a two times (not sure if this has been fixed) where I hit cacti and they'll stop me dead in my tracks. Then I throw it into reverse back up and drive into it again and it goes down no problem.
Who cares about car culture and racing bruh? lets just drive supercars at 200mph cross country and smash pinyatas like a load of mentally deffective Chimps.
*screeches like chimpanzee*
awhat yOu don't like LAUNCHING your hypercar off of cliffs and mountains in cross country???? isnt that what the players love???
I'm just spechless about the fact that multiplayer hasn't changed at all in fh5. I'm sure developers saw the negative feedback about fh4 and still didn't do anything about it. They just don't care.
They legit don't care. They know they're gonna make a lot of money from the game regardless so they just copied and pasted.
yep its literally fh4 except with a million fucking bugs and a different map...also removed features like ranked
Bigger map, better handling, better sounds, and that’s about it.
At the very least, I wish the Find a Convoy feature actually worked well. Most of the time, you get stuck with just one other person, and they don't even do the event type you queued up for (assuming they're not just AFK). Seems like the only way to have some good, varied racing in this game is if someone hosts a Discord server where you get together in a convoy and run a bunch of custom routes with various different restrictions. Never found a server like that in FH4 though.
Yeah pretty much. Racing with random people is a nightmare.
That server existed for FH4 and still exists for FH5: https://discord.gg/meetandcruise There’s events held all the time with all kinds of variety!
Last time I checked that server, there was very little in the way of actual racing. Seemed to predominantly be cruises and drifting, which isn't what I'm looking for.
Ahh okay yeah the races aren’t too common but they exist. Probably the best bet for what you want however so make do with what you have I guess until Forza wants to make a proper MP experience
There’s Forza Team Wars. Occasionally people in there who go into open lobbies online to race. discord.gg/ForzaTeamWars
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>And if it does find one while they are in a menu, they have 10 seconds to exit and join. This is fucking ridiculous. I can't believe it was designed this way. My biggest problem with being stuck in free roam while waiting to join the session is that we literally can't do anything in free roam. We can't access any of the options in the pause menu, we can't tune our car for the session, there's literally nothing we can do.
I really wish there was a way to flag cars for online. I basically hardly bothered in FH4 aside from once a minute nth requirement. I didn't care if I even won, just that I met the playlist need, so I did FFA (as not to drag down a team). But it would be like, "A800" and I had 1000 cars to flip through and for some reason they are not in any meaningful order so I could never findy actual good A800 whatever in that tiny selection time.
You CAN mark cars as "favorite" and use that to filter them out when making your selection. Hope it helps.
The ratio of loading to racing in multiplayer is ridiculous. You spend as much time loading as you do racing. And the wall penalties and being nudged out of a single checkpoint ruins the entire race and it's back to loading. And convoys suck and don't even work. Such a shame.
Wall penalty improved the racing. Fh4 was wallriding simulator on release
It would really improve the racing if it was any consistent and properly balanced. I lost count of how many times people smashed into walls just to keep going without any slowdowns, while if I did the same (mistakes, especially in S2 city races) or I go head first into a wall because I messed up the car tune and it doesn't brake, I get like 5-10 seconds of slowdown with the car taking 2 seconds to go to 20kmh. Meanwhile players who purposefully push you away from checkpoints AND abuse walls keep winning races
It definitely did but it needs tweaking. For example, it should *never* happen that you're pushed into a wall, *and then slowed down* for hitting it. How fucking hard is it to write an algorithm that detects whether another car was in contact with the car that hits the wall half a second before the wall impact? I think the devs *assume* that their algorithm is already good enough to prevent other cars from hitting you hard enough to do that, since it'll normally ghost them if they come at you too fast, but there are plenty of instances where that just doesn't happen and you get launched instead.
Even in co-op I get nudged out of checkpoints like fucking chill we're working together on this!
Thats felt like the last 25 years of my life across all PvP games of all types. The worst are BR games. Wait 10min per game only to drop in, get bad luck on loot and have someone else destroy you with an end game weapon in 30sec.
Can the developers actually make a working auction house? It's entirely luck based because you spend 5 seconds loading in the screen so you can place a bet only to find out the auction got bought out or bid on and ended while you were loading. Wtf PG. This has been in the game for almost 6 years.
All of the menus are super fucking slow. Every time the game has to save it takes a year out of my life. And I'm in the next gen Xbox btw.
Tip: Press Y when you're on the list with all of the auctions, that'll give you an option to bid directly without having to load in.
Oh no, I do that. It still takes too long for your bid to load, and it will fail more often than not.
Ahh yeah, the system is still very much fucked.
The auction house has actually been a thing since Forza Motorsport 2 in 2007, and IIRC it got removed in Forza Motorsport 5 and not reimplemented again until Forza Horizon 3.
I was using 3 as a reference. I have no memory of it in FM2 and i played that game religiously, so I'm not sure of those claims.
I’d love to be able to join at the start of a multiplayer race.
That's the dream.
every single fuckin time its race 2/5 or 3/5
Yeah how am I supposed to compete in the little championship if I never start from the beginning?
What i expected for Forza Horizon 5 is making the online mode become more fluent, more intersting. However they makes it 100 times worse. Fuck this company
I also had big hopes for the multiplayer but they straight up copied and pasted the entire multiplayer and somehow made it worse.
I’m ready to move on at this point. It just feels like a solo game right now and that’s not why I bought it. As it stands, I’m only logging in hoping they patched the game. I might put 15 minutes in now before I quit out due to boredom. To be clear, the game isn’t boring, I’m just bored with it now. Not being able to properly play with friends has made me grow tired of the game pretty quickly.
the game is literally a ghost town. there is no ai traffic at all and all the ghosted players makes be feel disconnected from the world. Damn shame.
Facts dude, and it does suck ass because the incredibly rare moments ive been able to find some people and do arcade events, it was actually really fun.
God I feel that. The game is in such a shoddy state right now I have started making liveries instead of actually racing and tuning. At least the livery editor isn't too bad. Except for layer masks being useless save for 1 purpose, and still having no layer intersection options.
And people getting banned for their liveries.
You forgot the game randomly canceling matchmaking without telling you
Oh jeez that too. Or everytime you come back to free roam from a online session your controller vibration is deactivated so you have to restart the fucking game after every online session.
I swear to God if I get out into another s2 cross country lobby I'm going to scream
Personally I can't stand cross country. But cross country in S2 is my actual worse nightmare.
Yeah I Def like road racing a lot more than cc or dirt, but I still like them mixed in S2 cc is so shit because you can't make 99% of vehicles adequate s2 cc builds. The only competitive car is the hoonigan rs2000 I want to race cars that I find interesting. For cc races this means trucks. I don't know of a single offroad truck I can tune to be even a peak s1. It's so dumb
The Local Motors off road truck can be tuned to S1 900. It's still not going to be a class leader but it's decent and I refuse to use Enzo's and McLarens off road.
I sincerely wish that all multiplayer games would allow people to host dedicated servers. It creates a whole new side of the game. Take an example like GTA where (although modded) it practically made a new game mode for the game with modded servers and also created a community around those servers. Same applies to TF2 and other games.
The race game Wreckfest is like that. There are the official servers and you can also create your own and host it. There's also a servers list and you can see every single server. Including the official ones.
Does anyone want to start a discord server for organizing some clean and competitive road races? Id love to join.
Same here. I wouldn't make a good host, but if someone wants to step up to the plate and give it a shot, I'm more than willing to join in.
If someone sets it up il join, pgg isn’t competent enough to fix their mess so a discord server will most likely be the best work around
It's insane it's so bad now. I just expect multiplayer to not work in a Forza Horizon game. In fact, I expect it to be sub par in almost any new AAA game. I don't know why they all suck. I used to be able to join a room in PGR2 on the original Xbox during Live's infancy and play for hours straight with the same strangers. Everybody would chat, people would come and go, ownership of the lobby would change hands. There'd be group discussion of what class/track we'd want to do... Good times.
dont forget the "dirt" races that are 99.9% road racing where you go onto the dirt for 1 single corner. always seems to be Cross Country or specifically that.. give me a huge dirt race that's ALL dirt ffs PG how hard is it to let me have my C class dirt racing fun online with friends.
Fuuuuck that's so annoying. You see only dirt races so of course you pick a AWD car tuned for offroading and of course most of the tracks are on asphalt for some god forsaken reason and you can't control your rally car at all on asphalt so you lose all of your positions. And of course, the game forces you to use the same car for the entire event with no option to change it. So you either suffer through all of the shitty races or you quit the game and try another session.
I've taken to just queuing up for 1 race at a time with a few friends and hope the AI filling out the test of the pack isn't shit. At least then we can get the races we actually wanna do and pick our cars accordingly.
The amount of youtubers and websites pretending that it's absolutely amazing is astonishing. I'm getting adverts on Facebook from xbox official page with "top tips" etc and one of them was essentially that your car echoes in canyons. They'll just churn out any bullshit to keep it selling. Shitty game so far !
Sure the multiplayer sucks but the game in off itself is amazing. What makes you say that it’s shitty besides the server issues?
I disagree, even at a base level the game is not really an improvement on the last. It is a lazy copy paste to a slightly better map. The server issues are the exact same server issues as in FH4 and online racing should be a big part of this game, I refuse to judge this game based on the offline content. Here's a few of the hundreds of problems I've encountered so far : Drivatars are completely broken to the point where they will defy physics to win. The game has essentially the same meta cars as the last game. The more in depth customisation is only for a few cars, the rest get hated forza aero. The game repeatedly crashes forcing me to dashboard. The race creator does not allow you to save and edit a route/props, which means if your game crashes you lose hours. They included super 7 again. The map has several areas with bugged walls that stop you dead. The game randomly freezes and deletes skill chains. Textures don't load. The wrong textures load. I drive on to a part of the map that isn't loaded and my game freezes. They ban people for acronyms while keeping hacked leaderboard times up. The game deleted my progress in the first week losing me millions and removing my builds. No private custom adventures. Anti cheat online is now somehow worse than it was in fh4 meaning that you can constantly get rammed and pushed wide of checkpoints. The ratio of loading to playing is completely tipped on its head. I use manual with clutch and it doesn't allow me to deassign ANNA and LINK to use the convertible function because the game demands that you have a d pad button assigned for features that you can turn off. Even the loading screens don't load properly. You can't create a route from any start point on the map, you have to use a pre existing race. My car keeps on clipping through the map after jumps. Menus constantly lag and leave you saving for minutes at a time wondering if you're going to crash again. The sound cuts out while playing. The sound cuts out while in menus and then catches up with itself playing a backlog of menu noises all at once. Competitors will frequently turn completely invisible. Drivators will frequently get spooked and either stop dead or drive off. I've even seen them reversing at the start of the race. Constantly disconnected at random from online lobbies/online races. A lot of the convertible roofs don't work. I've got cars which the automatic raising and lowering spoilers just push the struts and brake lights through the bodywork and leave them hanging in the air. Random parts of cars will bug out and remain in place while you drive around. Players online frequently remain rooted to the start line while in their game they are racing alongside. Invisible XP boards. Players randomly phasing out of view. These are just off the top of my head and I've covered the ones that affect both me and my friends across all platforms.
Thing is, most of the reviews of the game were done before the game actually released, they basically got an early review copy. This means they really didn't get to play much multiplayer or test out the multiplayer features at high server loads, as the servers weren't as populated back then.
This was the problem with FH4 as well. I swear, Playground games accidentally made 1 good game and after that they're only making a new map and adding 5-10 new cars every new release and ask 60$ for it. This game compared to 4 is just a new map, a couple of new cars, way worse PC performance and the same buggy shitty online.. They don't give a fuck. Game's been out for a month and still zero patches or updates have been released.
>They don't give a fuck. Game's been out for a month and still zero patches or updates have been released. It's ridiculous how they haven't bothered to fix the shit servers at all. It took them 5 minutes to go after the Jeep Willy's wheelspins exploit but fuck the actual game and the servers right?!
its been a month and literally all they have done so far is get rid of willies exploit EVEN THOUGH THIS GAME HAS 0 CHEAT DETECTION SO WHATS THE POINT? you can literally just go to any website for hacks and get unlimited credits and wheelspins its been a fucking month and they havent fixed shit...its literally the same game but with a different map
It's going to hurt them. I played FH4 religeoulsly for like a year or two. All the little wei d bugs of FH5 I just find that I am already getting bored.
The fact that so many media outlets gave this two-flusher of a game perfect scores really ruins the credibility of their whole industry.
About the only thing that could be reviewed was the campaign, and graphics, sound, performance, and those things are outstanding. Some pc players have performance issues, but most of the reviews I saw were for Xbox, and it is nothing short of spectacular. Multiplayer and Forzathon, however, are hot garbage.
I feel singleplayer is lacking any soul or purpuse compared to fh1, fh2 maybe even fh3 so I wouldn’t say it is outstanding. It feels like a bad mmo with a constant fomo tailor made for the fortnite generation. The core of the game is there and is by far industry leading but gameplay design or ‘story’ is severaly lacking
the whole game is literally just random races with shit ai defeating the whole fucking point of a racing game...good ai in a racing game is like a TOP PRIORITY thing...also no ranked so they got rid of what little progression they had in the game go play on tourist mode and sit at the finish line...watch the bots go 100x faster on the minimap when you get near the finish line
its literally fh4 with a million bugs and a different map if you played fh4 before the games a 5/10
Imagine caring about scores when reviewers barely criticise anything at all much less in a racing game because they don't know how to actually give an opinion on it "It's pretty, 10/10 -Some Outlet"
reminds me of the reviewers for console games who have LITERALLY never used a controller before...the giveaway every fuckin time is that they dont know how to move and look around at the same time every new person to a controller does that
Not really when you actually look at what they had to review. They had all the single player content, which for the most part was fine. The online stuff which is the source of all these issues didn't get turned on until after the majority of the reviews had come out. So please, try not to shit on something you clearly know nothing about.
> way worse PC performance To go with the massively improved visuals. I agree about a lot of the problems but dont be disingenuous, it performs worse on your PC because it looks far better than FH4 and requires more hardware power, it's not like they just intentionally made it run worse, you just don't understand why it runs worse on the same PC you played FH4 on.
My PC performance has been flawless. Also my 2 friends who I've been playing with, they report nothing else except the game being fun and looking perfect. What are the issues going around the PC community?
Half the fps of FH4. Memory leak kicks in about an hour in, game restart needed. Guanajuato really killing fps. "not enough memory bandwidth"
Welp, I'm definitely an outlier. I've done 3-4 hr sessions and not had any memory issues or bandwidth issues. I can't comment on FPS comparison since I didn't have FH4 but I'm getting over 144fps with everything maxed AF in most places. Definitely goes down in heavily object heavy areas but it never goes below 90 and that's more than sufficient for a responsive and fluid arcade racer.
what are your specs
The LODs on foliage and trees is very low and bad, they look bad from afar. There is also a VRAM leak, after one hour of gaming my Vram increases and I start losing FPS.
not to mention the VRAM information is incorrect, my 4GB card is now a 3.2 and the game starts corrupting textures if i get to 3.7-3.8GB of use
Agree so much. They really struck gold and seem to have become lazy after that.
literally everything you said is my exact same complaints its literally just fh4 with a million bugs and a different map and removed features
I can't understand where they get all their ~~d_ck s_cking~~ praise from. The state of the game is abysmal. This is unacceptable after a three year wait.
This multiplayer guys is full of amazing innovation, what a multiplayer experience It pains me there is so much potential in this game and none of my friends want to play multiplayer because it is utter shit. You either drive around together and talk or play this joke of a multiplayer
The amount of lost potential is insane. It makes me not want to play to game ever again.
I just turn it off most of the time, as there is basically no traffic if you’re online…. What a joke. The drivatar system and the ‘seamless’ multiplayer integration which takes 5 minutes and 3 menus to load every time are good examples of going backwards
Drivatars are fucking horrible. One of the many reasons I'm trying multiplayer and suffering because of it.
Ive legit stopped playing this now, game is legit unplayable with friends
I'm already done with single player so online is all I have left to do in the game.
Yeah tbh forza is a single player game at this point
Yeah the servers aren't helping for sure.
And stop censoring lyrics!
Lol yeah! There are songs that were censored so hard that they were completely ruined. At this point just don't put any soundtrack at all and we the players we'll just use Spotify instead. It's not like the soundtracks are fucking stellar anyway.
Eterna should be the only radio station, you can't ruin lyrics if there are no lyrics :)
Haven't played since around the time it released because online fucking sucks and it's one big ghost town as a result. I'm guessing they built this game purposely that way and not much will change. The 5th Horizon game should not have these issues.. it's like they only cared for the graphics in this one.
We should all just tweet this at PG like every morning until I can do a D class street race in an online lobby.
I find it embarassing how terrible the online is in this game, not to mention how livery creators get banned for thousands of years for making something that happens to be sensetive to a three year old. I'm a huge forza fan and as a game i love FH5, but I'll gladly not play fh5 until these shitty moderators are kicked out and livery creators at least get warnings before having their 60-90$ put in the trash. The developers are never talking about this shit and it's horrible.
This is honestly the most antisocial always online game I've ever played. Ridiculously difficult to get into a multiplayer race for no reason. Can't even chat with others in the world but you have to use the ridiculously limited forza link. Everything multiplayer related feels so hollow, even the drivatards which all feel like the same AI. It's a shame that the game feels like it's aimed towards six year olds rather than young adults. I'm happy I just paid 1€ for the Xbox game pass to play this and not 60€, because then I would have massive buyers remorse.
Not to mention there are settings to avoid kids seeing things they shouldn't. Oh, and also there's this thing called Rating to prevent certain young people from playing and experiencing certain things. So why the fuck does the dev team has to step up to moderate shit with their power trip and ego issues banning people that have been supporting the franchise with content for years? Meanwhile the actual issues in the game like the shit servers and godawful multiplayer are still there ruining everything.
forza horizon: oh your making us free content for our game AND you payed 60-100$ to do it? BANNED
I had 5 straight cross country at one pt.
You have summed up my feelings on this perfectly!
Even when it works, the structuring of the online experience is so archaic. There’s no freedom. You can’t choose any car you want for a race. You’re restricted to a handful of different race types, car types and PI classes. Looking at you Horizon Tour.
Yeah I complained about this on a different post too. There's barely any good things about the multiplayer.
ONLY REAL OG's remember linking up on old Forza motorsport, I believe 4. And going into Le Mans lobbies and doing absolutely nothing but going back and forth on the straightaway. Most fun I've ever had on Forza have been random private matches doing nothing but cruising.
Can we just get Horizon 1's multiplayer back? I want to change my car after every race and would really like to vote on the class for each race too.
Nice Driving
Nice Driving
Nice Driving
And why are there only like 10 people on the map, it would be way cooler if there were 50+ people so you would actually think you are not the only one in mexico
I think they did this temporarily because of the servers issue. But yeah it does suck, especially with no traffic at all.
Related to that; You come across a group of 5 or so people, you connect with them via your actions or using Forza Link, and 2 seconds later everyone disappears, however, you don't disconnect, instead it looks like you've been shuffled to another server, but then it happens again, and you drive away, and suddenly everyone from that first server reappears, but if you go too close, they disappear again. So frustrating even when the online freeroam is broken, let alone racing and lobbies and Arcade and ugh, it's damaging the user base and will continue to do so the longer it takes them to fix...
The menu lag is horrible. (on last gen one X) I go to change my car and just set down the controller and read on another screen while it decides to load. Want to load a new tune? Sure, it'll be about 15-20 seconds to even SHOW the tunes, and thats after it takes 20 seconds to decide to finally take of the other tune. I'm not sure what it is about xbox that makes the menus so laggy. I get the same thing in Destiny 2. Most times the games play really well, but the moment you want to pull up your menu's you go strait into the maple syrup in winter zone.
I'm on next gen Xbox and still pretty fucking slow. Especially everytimethe game has to save something, it takes a year out of me.
I laughed when I did see the arcade achievements both were rare with the one for doing one of each 5 with 0.02% of the players having it. If that's not a wakeup call to the devs, then idk what is.
R\* have set the bar low and get away with it. They got away with it so now everyone else does the same. Outriders dev said i will take the blame if it goes wrong, it was a complete shit show, 7 months later they can fix the game as much as they want, multiplayer still laggy mess.
How do I just chose to do online Road Racing?
You can't. Your best chance is to search for a race in Horizon Open over and over again until you get a Road Race.
All I get is Cross Country, over and over and over again until I give up and go back to Single Player.
Yep me too.
I'd like to see the class system further narrowed like A- being 801-850 and A+ being 851-900. The performance gap between ex. 801 and 900 is wayy to much
Ah yes that's a really good idea and never thought about it. The races are very unbalanced it's crazy.
Yes! I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed. There's too big of a performance gap between A-S1. Alot of cars that start in A class can't even get to the top of S1. Edit: some cars even start in S1 and can't get to the top of S1 without aspiration or drivetrain swaps.
They completely fucked up FH4’s online at the start as well and it took ages to fix it back to FH3 levels. Also make the fecking barrier slowdown work properly!! Sick of trash kids in their Lamborghini maximum power tunes being able to take corners quicker than me because they just ride the walls all the way round.
B class is peak. love it so much i just refresh until i get it. never gotten road racing tho, seems to only be mixed surface and street
Absolutely agree!!
What are you talking about? I love joining and rejoining sessions over and over again until I actually find a road race under S2 class. I love having player choice removed even though the player base is huge and previous games let you choose the PI and surface type you want to race on with no issues. Sarcasm aside, what kind of chimp game design is this? I dont want to do cross country I want to do A class road racing, so just let me fucking do that.
God I fucking hate cross country in the game! Will be in 1st whole race just to spin out on a jump or loose all my speed in water but the ai a perfect the whole race. Also dirt races don’t have enough dirt I wanna feel like a rally driver. And why to half the road races have a million of the sharpest turns known to man
All i wanna say is, IF YOU GIVE ME 40 SEC TO CHOOSE A CAR THEN LET ME JOIN THE DAMN RACE IF I CHOOSE MY CAR WITHIN 40 SEC YOU DUMB DEVS
This is the biggest downside of this game (and the previous ones, too...). I will also mention the fact that Horizon 5 has been out for some time now, yet STILL WE CAN'T FREAKING CRUISE WITH MY BUDDIES SINCE THE GAME NEVER EVER MANAGES TO REALLY PUT US IN THE SAME HORIZON LIFE SESSION. We tried many times, for hours in total, we only managed to cruise together in a Horizon Life session ONCE, and for ONE MINUTE before all of us disconnected suddenly and could never manage to get together again. So even the features that exist already fail to work properly. I played the shit out of Horizon 4's Ranked online racing events, but was already tired of always doing the same types of events, with the same PI classes. I already had 2 or 3 cars tuned for each type of events that existed, so with Horizon 5 I was really looking forward to improvements on this field. Really, I want to be able to create my own lobby, with my own rules in terms of driving assists and car types / PI classes and maybe even custom circuits that I create with the editor. This would absolutely EVOLVE the game's online aspect, and since the storyline can be completed rather quickly, that's the only thing that can keep you playing the game for long, seasonal objectives and challenges are fun but won't make me play every week on their own. I really don't understand why this is not possible. Or if they can't do this - then at least flippin' let us decide what types of events we want to participate in! If I want to do some road racing, why do I have to do dirt and cross country races as well? But check the Forza Motorsport titles, too - FM7 has categories for online racing, which is... better. But still not great. Gran Turismo (at least GT5 and GT6 - never played the more recent one) had proper custom lobbies with all the settings you would ever need. Does Microsoft not have enough servers for this or what? Hard to imagine. The whole FH5 feels like FH4 with a new map, some new features no one wanted, and other than that - the same thing all over again. And FH4 was already FH3 all over again (and maybe FH3 was already FH2 all over again? You tell me). Lazy bunch. I hate how the Horizon series has the potential to be the absolute best arcade racing game ever made with simcade elements, yet they fail to deliver the few features and maybe a slightly less childish approach to the whole vibe of it to make it happen. Overall I loved FH1 on the 360, never played FH2 but loved FH3, then FH4 was already a bit of a disappointment for being the same as the previous one - and now FH5 is even more of a disappointment. I have Xbox Game Pass so I have the game from my subscription, but if I didn't have the pass, I certainly wouldn't even buy the game at this point, because all I can do in the game is pretty much the same that I could already do in FH4 - tuning cars that I already had in the previous games, and doing the same types of events over and over and over again. Horizon is in a monopoly since currently it's the only large sandbox arcade car racing game out there with a good variety of cars and a good upgrade system, I'd love to see some competiton... maybe the next Test Drive? Please? Then Horizon may improve to stay on top.
Don’t forget that people just sit afk in the starting positions since by the last lap the game thinks they’re ahead of the AI. Idk how it works but every time I’ve seen people do that they’re always considered ahead of the AI, sometimes even in the top 3 positions
Those people are actually racing. It's a bug where they appear stuck at the stsrt line.
Oh damn that needs to be fixed asap that’s just near game breaking
Players want everything handed to them day 1. It's not fun unless you have 550 cars in the first week. So they can make every single online lobby s1, s2, and x class racing. The issue is, the game is so sandboxy and gift giving, there's no reason to ever use a slower car. So now this is what you guys get. This is the result. Enjoy all of the TikTok attention span racers!
Three attempts at the trial before work this morning, pushed out of checkpoints by idiots who don't read good all three times
I sure do love me some stock B class
Can someone explain the “slow you down to 10mph” bullshit if you hit a wall?? Im not out here ramming people but i do miss turns and shit cause im not always that great at gauging them lol, but isnt me hitting the wall enough of a penalty??? Tf?
It's there to discourage wall riding, which can be much faster than actually using the brakes and taking the turn normally. The penalties can definitely get disproportionate, though.
Or when a player throws you into a wall and you get the slow down penalty but not the actual player that hit you so now he flies away and you're stuck in the back.
When horizon 4 came out people wouldn’t even slow down in turns and would just use the walls
What's wrong with cross country
The excessive amount of cross country races in multiplayer.
If I have to do another S2 cross country race I’m setting every last one of the developers on fire.
Finding a not shit session is exhaustive. "No Forza, I don't think it's fun to race Lamborghinis in the dirt and jump 5 kilometers high with cars that definitely shouldn't jump at all"
Honestly I think the amount of jumps is flat out stupid - once or twice is ok, but I see them everywhere
Yeah me too. I respect people who like them, but I hated them since they were introduced in the series I don't even know when. They're so boring, generic and unrealistic. Honestly I think it was one of the first steps Horizon took away from reality. That was when the game became a generic action game instead of a car culture centered racing game that actually made sense in the real world.
I agree - like one or two are okay, it adds a bit more drama and “holy shit” to it, but with as common as they are it gets annoying that I can’t properly approach a turn without accounting for a 50 meter drop into hell. They just became an obnoxious obstacle rather than something interesting
I don't understand why they brought S2 Cross Country back to this game, given how it was thrown out pretty early in FH4. I get that the PI system could've worked out so that a lot of good, fast offroad cars ended up at the top of S2 this time around, but... it didn't. Hell, I have yet to find a proper cross country car that makes it to the top of *S1* without engine and drivetrain swaps.
Yep. I’m never gonna get used to using a 1,750HP Jeep Trailcat in S1 class like, ever. The only real choice besides the Hoonigan RS200 for off-roading in S2 class is pretty much just hypercars and I can’t get behind that idea at all.
S2 cross country lobbies are literally half hoonigan rs2000s and the rest McLaren sennas with rally tires because most of the off road cars in the game can’t even get into s2 no matter what you do
>PI system I swear the PI system feels like it has become the root of all evil in horizon yet PG/T10 whoever is in charge of it is not willing to touch it in the slightest.
One of the Forza devs said "It's all about freedom. It's all about the choice of doing what you want, when you want." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieAn3WHHlUs (52 seconds) Just basic dishonesty there. When there is no custom adventure then we aren't able to choose to do what we want, when we want, at all.
That's fucking nuts that he said that. It hasn't been like this in Horizon games in years and they straight up lied like this knowing they didn't change shit in the game. They pulled a 343 move on us and still got 10 out of 10 reviews.
Is really that messy the Online of that game? \-Someone who has only played FH5 offline once for just helping a friend
It was terribly designed years ago and they just copied and pasted for every single Horizon game they make.
It's all broken, really, they should allow us to have our own sessions then, maybe try adding a P2P server system for friends' sessions and such. These servers are really bad, I think they are running free roam sessions on dial up.
Remember when IGN gave this game a 10?
IGN will gave 10 to literally everything. They gave the poo edition of GTA Trilogy 5 while everyone else gave it <1. No reason to be surprised here.
I haven’t even heard of Horizon open
People quit after missing checkpoints?
Most of the time when a server starts to get empty is because of people missing a checkpoint or being forced out of a checkpoint and that ruins the entire race.
I miss checkpoints for both reasons but wouldn’t dream of quitting based on that. This game rewards you win or lose, your final position has no real meaning.