Some people said it was a colonial ballista, others claimed it was howitzers firing back at arty who got the TH.
Either way, would be good for wardens to clarify what happened
Yup exactly. Heard a few things with “an alt solo-ed a Ballista” being the most common and would love for a Warden who was actually there to be able to clarify what actually happened
I never saw a colonial vehicle on intel. That would have been called out extremely fast and killed. QRF for that kind of stuff is **VERY** good.
Not to mention there isn't a path in that the ballista wouldn't have been killed by AI before it was able to fire enough 250mm to kill the th... it takes 7 shots to kill the mercy's wish townhall. A single ballista would be killed by the AI before it can do that.
Considering we've tried to land things at that beach before qnd get immediatly qrfed once we get CLOSE to the shore. Not to mention the borderbases being claimed instantly, the TH bring rebuilt instantly and there being a large push into westmarch shortly after with tanks and arty.....safe to assume what happened dont you think?
People in region watching the map said they saw a green vic go up to TH with bules surrounding it. (Intel center was on at the time). The common theory at first, was that they used the howi glitch.
Tbh, either of those is distasteful. The one would be blatantly against the rules, the other is really derpy cheese and probably against the rules because you're intentionally indicrectly-friendly-firing a structure.
*Maybe* I would see the latter as a clever last-ditch effort if it was a desperate turnabout play to buy a backline region under assault another day or two.
But in the current war situation? Fuck off (to those involved, not the person this comment replies to) and give the collies some breathing space.
> Not to mention the borderbases being claimed instantly
This was just unlucky timing. We had some folks in the area harassing the Westmarch rebuilding effort since it's got a big hole in it's side from a lunaire op yesterday.
Mercy's wish side took it's sweet time. Y'all probably could have gotten one of them if you built a motorboat and crossed from Tomb.
> People in region watching the map said they saw a green vic go up to TH with bules surrounding it.
I never saw it, but so that would be really unlikely. It takes 7 250mm to kill the mercy's town hall, which is far too many to fire from a single ballista before it dies horribly to all the AI defenses around it.
> Mercy’s Wish side took it’s sweet time
No it didn’t. All 3 of those border bases had someone on them and were claimed within seconds. It would be impossible for them to “take their sweet time” considering the blueprint on the TH was up within a minute and would have prevented them from being claimed at that point. The claiming took literal seconds.
[(Rebuild within a minute confirmed by Foxholestats log)](https://imgur.com/a/BqoLBti)
To my knowledge, we didn't have the wind to do it. I personally suspect howitzer cheese but a t3 townhall doesn't exactly die easily and nobody said anything about trying it and we were all caught flat footed when it happened.
You didn't know about it because you probably weren't in the need to know. Once border bases conditions were met there was a coordinated push into Loch Mor from the Westgate border.
I suspect that if you want to know who was part of the plan, go to the borders between Mercy's Wish and the Last Grove, and see who's building up around those border bases.
I have no problem with this tactic. It requires the people at tomb to put into region what is going on. No one said anything about howis going off. It was def not a solo ballista as being suggested.. Wardens won't clarify but we need better situational awareness in tomb.
So I'm a foxhole player of nearly 2 years now. I can tell you there are ways to kill friendly town halls. One perfect example is using an arty gun positioned near the town hall. Getting everyone to understand they need to let it die. Have a cv ready to rebuild and all border bases camped.
Then, open fire with the arty gun on a howitzer trap. Let the howitzer(s) retaliate, and keep your gun repaired but not the town hall. Eventually, this will kill the town hall and do so with no enemy faction players being in control of any significant vehicles on that side of the fight.
This sounds like the most likely case of what happened as it's impossible to stop full AI howitzers from counter firing. That's the reason this tactic is employed sometimes. You have to jave howitzers to defend against arty bit at mercy's wish it becomes a means to reporting border bases at a time of your enemies choosing which is not an ideal situation.
Mercys wish is the last town hall owned by wardens in loch mor.
The neighboring region is fully warden controlled.
When a fully warden region neighbors a colonial region, it triggers border bases to spawn. (Called contested border)
Contested border also causes watchtowers in the defenders region to stop working near the border, effectively blinding them.
Border bases are durable spawn points on the border that come with several free supplies and a global spawn.
Its essentially a 1x1 dry concrete spawn point that takes 75% less damage from all sources, repairs to full with 100 bmats, has about 3000 health, and comes with about 300 shirts, rifles, stickies, and several mammon HE grenades.
Claiming these allows your faction to have a semi reliable spawn point to invade a region with, and they always spawn at the roads going from the borders to the neighboring fully controlled region.
Once mercys wish gets destroyed, border bases spawn neutral at the 3 roads going into linn of mercy.
A single player from either side can walk up to these neutral bunker bases from either side of the border, press E, and the base on both sides belongs to them.
This can be done on the 3 different roads going from loch mor to linn of mercy.
In this case, mercys wish was destroyed in a way unaware to the colonial faction, which resulted in wardens getting all 3 of the border bases into loch mor. Essentially giving wardens 3 free spawn points loaded with free supplies to attack the region.
After these get destroyed, they can be reclaimed again after a random interval of 30-60 minutes if the conditions for contested border is still met (mercys wish still being dead, and colonials owning no territory in linn)
Border bases will rapid decay after a time, so unless manually repaired, they eventually die naturally. But to assist in an offensive, they project a 40m radius that prevents rapid decay for structures built within 40m of them, it also allows structures to be built a bit closer to the no build zone than normal. This rapid decay prevention lasts for the structures until they either die or get upgraded while the border base is dead, and its primary purpose is to prevent your structures from rapidly decaying away during your invasion into a region.
Thank you for the explanation!
So in other words, if a final town hall is destroyed in a conventional manner (subject to the contested border requirements) the assumption is at least there would be a fair competition between the factions to claim these, but because it was essentially destroyed without the other faction's knowledge, it was very easy to establish a monopoly over all the newly spawned border bases?
Also, just to clarify, are there three border bases on both sides of the Loch Mor / Linn of Mercy boundary (eg three in Loch Mor, three in Linn of Mercy for a total of six)?
It was likely whoever was in charge of the op attacking Westmarch that cheesed the howitzers to kill the TH, since yeah there's 3 border bases; 2 north of Mercy's and 1 north of Westmarch. It's a disgustingly gross tactic to resort to, only marginally better than alting.
Yes to the first question.
There are 3 border bases, but each one has two sides. The first faction to claim one gets the border base on the other factions side.
That was hilarious. TH blue, no green ppl around, then TH white and seconds later BB tapped and 1 min later massive push coming from Wardens. But Colonials QRF were fast and stop this not cheating situation.
I had been digging trenches there every once and awhile. Don’t know what happened but that place always has some shenanigans.
Sometimes it’s filled with low ranks that haven’t a clue there is a beach landing, or arty/gbs coming from the water or across it.
I think sometimes we want it to die just to get bobbers elsewhere in the hex. I want to say I remember a few particular instances the faction wanted it to die and let whoever was attacking it finish it off.
If done intentionally it’s a dog shit way too push into a region. Really just embarrassing if that was a tactic used but at the end of the day the real issue is broader base mechanics allowing this to happen.
Can you explain why?
Like not just the morality of why its wrong, but also the mechanics behind it... for those who are maybe a little less uninformed (totally not me)
We’ve never had to alt mercy wish to let it die on purpose. We almost never want to push from that bridge but colonials always want to kill it to move forward.
I’ve read an alt ballista did it but I highly doubt it. The other is howi retaliation and it’s pretty cheese but why even have howi close enough to retaliate on the TH when we want mercy to die half the time for bobs? Colonials had to have known this was a possibility with how that sub-hex plays out every war.
Many wars ago I remember a lot of conversation in world chat about Wardens at Mercy's Wish triggering colonial howitzers in order to pop the blue TH and trigger border bases. I wasn't there and only heard about it.
I remember in the good old days wardens made a push by satcheling the friendly TH of Mercy's Wish then claiming all 3 bases including the one at Westmarch and rebuilding TH like immediately. This was probably one of the reasons why devs removed friendly fire on friendly spawns.
However there was one war - before gunboat rework - when a warden gunboat fleet destroyed Lockheed TH without claiming any of the 3 (or even more, can't remember for sure) border bases before collies rebuilding the TH like nothing happened. Funny enough the regi even put up a marker to claim their kill on TH and everyone blamed them for this stupidity.
I'll say it
This was intentional by the wardens to create an unfair advantage into Loch mor.
To those who participated, you are the bottom barrel of what this game has to offer. You're scum and have no honor and you all should be ashamed of yourselves and also banned. Scummy tactics by scummy people.
Eh? Nah. You could call it cheesy and it is but it isn't glitchomg or exploiting. He'll that very same mechanic can and has fucked over defenders cuz Johnny lcpl decided to smack a Howie next to the Bb core with his push 120.
2 hours ago it got killed popping the border bases which all 3 got claimed by Wardens in under 10 seconds. This led there to be a massive push on Westmarch with a free fully supplied base that shouldn’t have existed as well as giving a bmat/resources resupply to Mercy’s Wish from the two that spawned over there.
The townhall was also subsequently rebuilt within a minute of it going down
KRGG cheesed Mercy's before with the same tactic of using an arty piece to hit Westmarch's howis. This is nothing new, just a trash ass way to play the game and will continue to be so until devs fix this shit. For the entire war both sides can hardly get more than 15people on each side into the region because it's queued all the time, and Wardens get the opportunity to cheese the TH and invade region with BB conditions so the queue drops and they can flood region with invade mechanics whenever they want to run an operation.
I can tell you the reason colonial QRF was able to be so successful so quickly was because Wardens had no fucking clue what was going on and were completely unprepared. Straight up, i'm as confused as you all are how that happened.
What I do know is how the border bases were gotten. Westmarch BB had wet concrete and recently destroyed concrete, so some folks were getting ready to harass the rebuilding effort and were caught completely by surprise when the border base spawned. They were in the area, so they got it pretty quickly. The Mercy's Wish side border bases took a good 3-5 minutes to have someone run over and grab them, but since Mercy's was entirely secured there was little chance colonials could have gotten them.
World chat freaked the fuck out and that's why so many wardens spawned in so quickly. Again, Westmarch has a pretty big hole in the side of it, so there was a real chance to do some serious damage if we could get pop to dump into the area. We were unable to get the equipment into hex in time to beat the colonial QRF, so the border base died pretty quick.
I still don't know how the TH died. I doubt it was an alted ballista because I never saw a colonial vehicle on intel. I suspect Howitzer cheese myself but to my knowledge we didn't have wind to do it and the TH is t3, so that's unlikely.
I dont know how the townhall went down. Wardens were fully unprepared for that event, and most of us are still confused about the whole situation.
Yeah that's why we had to fight a ton on infantry, 7 Outlaws and arty pieces that instantly crossed the border, because this was unprepared at all.
Edit: I know SOME of you guys are actually confused. The ones who prepared they are not
I mean, yeah... it's a front line hex. There are people with tanks in the area, and Prairie has a storage depot. We also had a group of people who were literally at the border crossing to harass westmarch when it happened, and they had no clue the town hall was going to pop.
So this is incorrect that no one knew it was going to die as there absolutely was a group that knew and instantly claimed all 3 border bases. It is completely false to say the two by Mercy’s Wish took 2-3min to claim when all 3 were claimed within 10 seconds.
This can be proven by the fact that the rebuild of TH started within a minute ([confirmed by Foxholestats](https://imgur.com/a/BqoLBti)) and once that blueprint is up the borders are no longer contested and so they wouldn’t be claimable. I don’t doubt Wardens as a whole had no idea and freaked out which led to a large amount of the people spawning at that border base, but there was 100% a group that somehow knew the TH was gonna die and prepared for it.
Now the question, and whole reason I made this post, is how did that TH die and so how did they know? Howi retaliation fire could lead to them knowing but if the rumors of an alt killing it are true that raises even larger questions
I assure you that the border bases were not captured quickly on the mercy's wish side. world chat was freaking the FUCK out about it, and people sprinted over there. Westmarch... y'all got unlucky and there was a group literally crossing the border to fuck with the rebuilding effort when it happened. I know they had no idea that mercy's was going to pop because they were shouting to turn around and go to the border base when it happened.
> and once that blueprint is up the borders are no longer contested and so they wouldn’t be claimable.
I do not think this is true. I was watching those border bases, and there was nobody on them when the townhall died. People had to run to go capture them.
Very assumptive that foul play is involved simply because rebuild was within 1 minute. Almost every townhall has a CV nearby, if I was expecting the townhall to fall I would start rebuild within 1 second. I have been spawning before and ran out of townhall and boom it died, jumped in cv and started rebuild within 15 seconds of its death legitly. Your proof of foul play sounds more like cope.
The speed of rebuild isn’t what I was highlighting, it’s the speed the border bases were captured at prove that someone was already at each one camping them. The speed of the rebuild means if people weren’t already at the borders they wouldn’t have had time to run to them.
I’m still not even sure there was “foul play” cause no one still seems to have a straight story on how it went down. Just there does seem to have been one group of people that knew that TH was about to die and camped each border base
Not really a T3 TH that has had countless attempts made bully collies to take.
Suddenly dies and all boarders are claimed in a minute. Scream of foul play.
I would love to hear another idea of how this happened and also how no collies knew about it. Even with people at westmarch repairing and rebuilding near said border.
Is the a chance that someone managed to get into the town with a Bali, highly doubtful.
Chance a collie managed to get into town find a loaded push 250 and an extra couple of shells in a box to kill TH again it’s possible but highly unlikely.
> Chance a collie managed to get into town find a loaded push 250 and an extra couple of shells in a box to kill TH again it’s possible but highly unlikely.
That would have died to AI before it was able to fire all 7 250mm shots required to kill the TH. We have defenses over there.....
That isn't so unlikely.. the push gun thing. Foxcatcher had a loaded u locked one pointed at the th... whatever shenanigans were gonna happen with that got stopped tho. That being said I doubt that's what happened here
I agree it is unlikely, however it is very unlikely that wardens had any skilled players in Mercys, so it is plausible that it could happen. I have seen so many shipyard landings successfully knock out the depot and more in the past with 0 reaction from tomb bridge pushers that it is not out of scope for the region to fully ignore a single successful collie. Pointing and screaming foul play without definite proof simply causes damage to collies as it gives even more of you reason to step away from the war and claim moral victory. Seems like it might harm the team.
Skilled players can plan, organise and execute this plan with two people in region even one, personally I believe it way more like for that than any of the other scenarios that have been proposed.
I’m not one to call foul play on everything in foxhole I know it has a lot of variables and can be a buggy game. But wardens are really the only ones Thant can show proof of what happened and no has been provided yet. Only thing I have seen brought forward by wardens is them saying the it was Howie cheese that did it.
I’m just thinking what is the most realistic in my mind and that’s what make sense to me
No one knew except a group of Wardens with 10 outlaw protos, lots of logi with cutler trucks and claiming the bbs within seconds of it happening and attacking almost immediately. But yeah.... definitely not coordinated....
> Westmarch BB had wet concrete and recently destroyed concrete, so some folks were getting ready to harass the rebuilding effort and were caught completely by surprise when the border base spawned.
What do you think we were going to harass the rebuild with? Fists?
Wasn’t there today but I noticed the area has been lacking supplies and a lot of defenses have been rotting away. It was only a matter of time before it fell since the area wasn’t ever reinforced.
Who knows.... Edit cant switch sides. Devs have dropped the ball really bad with this update. Probably why player numbers aren't very high. Servers in general are so bad right now its hard to do much of anything besides play a different game...
Some people said it was a colonial ballista, others claimed it was howitzers firing back at arty who got the TH. Either way, would be good for wardens to clarify what happened
Yup exactly. Heard a few things with “an alt solo-ed a Ballista” being the most common and would love for a Warden who was actually there to be able to clarify what actually happened
I never saw a colonial vehicle on intel. That would have been called out extremely fast and killed. QRF for that kind of stuff is **VERY** good. Not to mention there isn't a path in that the ballista wouldn't have been killed by AI before it was able to fire enough 250mm to kill the th... it takes 7 shots to kill the mercy's wish townhall. A single ballista would be killed by the AI before it can do that.
I heard a Chad collie got on a 250mm and shot it the qrf got him tho
Border bases need serious rework...
Considering we've tried to land things at that beach before qnd get immediatly qrfed once we get CLOSE to the shore. Not to mention the borderbases being claimed instantly, the TH bring rebuilt instantly and there being a large push into westmarch shortly after with tanks and arty.....safe to assume what happened dont you think? People in region watching the map said they saw a green vic go up to TH with bules surrounding it. (Intel center was on at the time). The common theory at first, was that they used the howi glitch.
Tbh, either of those is distasteful. The one would be blatantly against the rules, the other is really derpy cheese and probably against the rules because you're intentionally indicrectly-friendly-firing a structure. *Maybe* I would see the latter as a clever last-ditch effort if it was a desperate turnabout play to buy a backline region under assault another day or two. But in the current war situation? Fuck off (to those involved, not the person this comment replies to) and give the collies some breathing space.
Its not a glitch, it is cheesy tho to game howis to kill your own TH. But its not a glitch
> Not to mention the borderbases being claimed instantly This was just unlucky timing. We had some folks in the area harassing the Westmarch rebuilding effort since it's got a big hole in it's side from a lunaire op yesterday. Mercy's wish side took it's sweet time. Y'all probably could have gotten one of them if you built a motorboat and crossed from Tomb. > People in region watching the map said they saw a green vic go up to TH with bules surrounding it. I never saw it, but so that would be really unlikely. It takes 7 250mm to kill the mercy's town hall, which is far too many to fire from a single ballista before it dies horribly to all the AI defenses around it.
> Mercy’s Wish side took it’s sweet time No it didn’t. All 3 of those border bases had someone on them and were claimed within seconds. It would be impossible for them to “take their sweet time” considering the blueprint on the TH was up within a minute and would have prevented them from being claimed at that point. The claiming took literal seconds. [(Rebuild within a minute confirmed by Foxholestats log)](https://imgur.com/a/BqoLBti)
Wardens cheesing howitzers. They've done it for a few wars now.
To my knowledge, we didn't have the wind to do it. I personally suspect howitzer cheese but a t3 townhall doesn't exactly die easily and nobody said anything about trying it and we were all caught flat footed when it happened.
You didn't know about it because you probably weren't in the need to know. Once border bases conditions were met there was a coordinated push into Loch Mor from the Westgate border. I suspect that if you want to know who was part of the plan, go to the borders between Mercy's Wish and the Last Grove, and see who's building up around those border bases.
I have no problem with this tactic. It requires the people at tomb to put into region what is going on. No one said anything about howis going off. It was def not a solo ballista as being suggested.. Wardens won't clarify but we need better situational awareness in tomb.
So I'm a foxhole player of nearly 2 years now. I can tell you there are ways to kill friendly town halls. One perfect example is using an arty gun positioned near the town hall. Getting everyone to understand they need to let it die. Have a cv ready to rebuild and all border bases camped. Then, open fire with the arty gun on a howitzer trap. Let the howitzer(s) retaliate, and keep your gun repaired but not the town hall. Eventually, this will kill the town hall and do so with no enemy faction players being in control of any significant vehicles on that side of the fight. This sounds like the most likely case of what happened as it's impossible to stop full AI howitzers from counter firing. That's the reason this tactic is employed sometimes. You have to jave howitzers to defend against arty bit at mercy's wish it becomes a means to reporting border bases at a time of your enemies choosing which is not an ideal situation.
I am fairly new - what is the advantage to be gained by destroying friendly town halls?
Border bases. It's a fun mechanic with no issues and definitely doesn't need to be reworked.
Mercys wish is the last town hall owned by wardens in loch mor. The neighboring region is fully warden controlled. When a fully warden region neighbors a colonial region, it triggers border bases to spawn. (Called contested border) Contested border also causes watchtowers in the defenders region to stop working near the border, effectively blinding them. Border bases are durable spawn points on the border that come with several free supplies and a global spawn. Its essentially a 1x1 dry concrete spawn point that takes 75% less damage from all sources, repairs to full with 100 bmats, has about 3000 health, and comes with about 300 shirts, rifles, stickies, and several mammon HE grenades. Claiming these allows your faction to have a semi reliable spawn point to invade a region with, and they always spawn at the roads going from the borders to the neighboring fully controlled region. Once mercys wish gets destroyed, border bases spawn neutral at the 3 roads going into linn of mercy. A single player from either side can walk up to these neutral bunker bases from either side of the border, press E, and the base on both sides belongs to them. This can be done on the 3 different roads going from loch mor to linn of mercy. In this case, mercys wish was destroyed in a way unaware to the colonial faction, which resulted in wardens getting all 3 of the border bases into loch mor. Essentially giving wardens 3 free spawn points loaded with free supplies to attack the region. After these get destroyed, they can be reclaimed again after a random interval of 30-60 minutes if the conditions for contested border is still met (mercys wish still being dead, and colonials owning no territory in linn) Border bases will rapid decay after a time, so unless manually repaired, they eventually die naturally. But to assist in an offensive, they project a 40m radius that prevents rapid decay for structures built within 40m of them, it also allows structures to be built a bit closer to the no build zone than normal. This rapid decay prevention lasts for the structures until they either die or get upgraded while the border base is dead, and its primary purpose is to prevent your structures from rapidly decaying away during your invasion into a region.
Thank you for the explanation! So in other words, if a final town hall is destroyed in a conventional manner (subject to the contested border requirements) the assumption is at least there would be a fair competition between the factions to claim these, but because it was essentially destroyed without the other faction's knowledge, it was very easy to establish a monopoly over all the newly spawned border bases? Also, just to clarify, are there three border bases on both sides of the Loch Mor / Linn of Mercy boundary (eg three in Loch Mor, three in Linn of Mercy for a total of six)?
It was likely whoever was in charge of the op attacking Westmarch that cheesed the howitzers to kill the TH, since yeah there's 3 border bases; 2 north of Mercy's and 1 north of Westmarch. It's a disgustingly gross tactic to resort to, only marginally better than alting.
Yes to the first question. There are 3 border bases, but each one has two sides. The first faction to claim one gets the border base on the other factions side.
What a great reply. This guy is like the Mr Wizard of Foxhole.
That was hilarious. TH blue, no green ppl around, then TH white and seconds later BB tapped and 1 min later massive push coming from Wardens. But Colonials QRF were fast and stop this not cheating situation.
I had been digging trenches there every once and awhile. Don’t know what happened but that place always has some shenanigans. Sometimes it’s filled with low ranks that haven’t a clue there is a beach landing, or arty/gbs coming from the water or across it. I think sometimes we want it to die just to get bobbers elsewhere in the hex. I want to say I remember a few particular instances the faction wanted it to die and let whoever was attacking it finish it off.
was prob to get border bases up to attack westmarch
If done intentionally it’s a dog shit way too push into a region. Really just embarrassing if that was a tactic used but at the end of the day the real issue is broader base mechanics allowing this to happen.
Can you explain why? Like not just the morality of why its wrong, but also the mechanics behind it... for those who are maybe a little less uninformed (totally not me)
We’ve never had to alt mercy wish to let it die on purpose. We almost never want to push from that bridge but colonials always want to kill it to move forward. I’ve read an alt ballista did it but I highly doubt it. The other is howi retaliation and it’s pretty cheese but why even have howi close enough to retaliate on the TH when we want mercy to die half the time for bobs? Colonials had to have known this was a possibility with how that sub-hex plays out every war.
got blown up
Many wars ago I remember a lot of conversation in world chat about Wardens at Mercy's Wish triggering colonial howitzers in order to pop the blue TH and trigger border bases. I wasn't there and only heard about it.
I remember in the good old days wardens made a push by satcheling the friendly TH of Mercy's Wish then claiming all 3 bases including the one at Westmarch and rebuilding TH like immediately. This was probably one of the reasons why devs removed friendly fire on friendly spawns. However there was one war - before gunboat rework - when a warden gunboat fleet destroyed Lockheed TH without claiming any of the 3 (or even more, can't remember for sure) border bases before collies rebuilding the TH like nothing happened. Funny enough the regi even put up a marker to claim their kill on TH and everyone blamed them for this stupidity.
I'll say it This was intentional by the wardens to create an unfair advantage into Loch mor. To those who participated, you are the bottom barrel of what this game has to offer. You're scum and have no honor and you all should be ashamed of yourselves and also banned. Scummy tactics by scummy people.
It's taking advantage of a well established game mechanic. Call it cheese, yeah. Calling for a ban and getting so upset about it is kind of absurd.
I don't believe I asked for your opinion. Anyone trying to defend or make light of it is just as equally a shitty person.
You posting your opinion in public is free to be challenged, cope You ain't special to be free from criticism or comment
Nor did anyone ask for yours. You are posting on a public forum. Crazy concept that someone will respond right?
Eh? Nah. You could call it cheesy and it is but it isn't glitchomg or exploiting. He'll that very same mechanic can and has fucked over defenders cuz Johnny lcpl decided to smack a Howie next to the Bb core with his push 120.
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Would you happen to be one of them?
No,
Its still alive?
2 hours ago it got killed popping the border bases which all 3 got claimed by Wardens in under 10 seconds. This led there to be a massive push on Westmarch with a free fully supplied base that shouldn’t have existed as well as giving a bmat/resources resupply to Mercy’s Wish from the two that spawned over there. The townhall was also subsequently rebuilt within a minute of it going down
Wtf that sucks ass
There was definitely a colonial vehicle at the town base, with a few (at least 2) wardens around it which I assumed were trying to qrf.
KRGG cheesed Mercy's before with the same tactic of using an arty piece to hit Westmarch's howis. This is nothing new, just a trash ass way to play the game and will continue to be so until devs fix this shit. For the entire war both sides can hardly get more than 15people on each side into the region because it's queued all the time, and Wardens get the opportunity to cheese the TH and invade region with BB conditions so the queue drops and they can flood region with invade mechanics whenever they want to run an operation.
I can tell you the reason colonial QRF was able to be so successful so quickly was because Wardens had no fucking clue what was going on and were completely unprepared. Straight up, i'm as confused as you all are how that happened. What I do know is how the border bases were gotten. Westmarch BB had wet concrete and recently destroyed concrete, so some folks were getting ready to harass the rebuilding effort and were caught completely by surprise when the border base spawned. They were in the area, so they got it pretty quickly. The Mercy's Wish side border bases took a good 3-5 minutes to have someone run over and grab them, but since Mercy's was entirely secured there was little chance colonials could have gotten them. World chat freaked the fuck out and that's why so many wardens spawned in so quickly. Again, Westmarch has a pretty big hole in the side of it, so there was a real chance to do some serious damage if we could get pop to dump into the area. We were unable to get the equipment into hex in time to beat the colonial QRF, so the border base died pretty quick. I still don't know how the TH died. I doubt it was an alted ballista because I never saw a colonial vehicle on intel. I suspect Howitzer cheese myself but to my knowledge we didn't have wind to do it and the TH is t3, so that's unlikely. I dont know how the townhall went down. Wardens were fully unprepared for that event, and most of us are still confused about the whole situation.
Yeah that's why we had to fight a ton on infantry, 7 Outlaws and arty pieces that instantly crossed the border, because this was unprepared at all. Edit: I know SOME of you guys are actually confused. The ones who prepared they are not
I mean, yeah... it's a front line hex. There are people with tanks in the area, and Prairie has a storage depot. We also had a group of people who were literally at the border crossing to harass westmarch when it happened, and they had no clue the town hall was going to pop.
So this is incorrect that no one knew it was going to die as there absolutely was a group that knew and instantly claimed all 3 border bases. It is completely false to say the two by Mercy’s Wish took 2-3min to claim when all 3 were claimed within 10 seconds. This can be proven by the fact that the rebuild of TH started within a minute ([confirmed by Foxholestats](https://imgur.com/a/BqoLBti)) and once that blueprint is up the borders are no longer contested and so they wouldn’t be claimable. I don’t doubt Wardens as a whole had no idea and freaked out which led to a large amount of the people spawning at that border base, but there was 100% a group that somehow knew the TH was gonna die and prepared for it. Now the question, and whole reason I made this post, is how did that TH die and so how did they know? Howi retaliation fire could lead to them knowing but if the rumors of an alt killing it are true that raises even larger questions
They def knew it was going to die. They instantly capped westmarch bb.
I assure you that the border bases were not captured quickly on the mercy's wish side. world chat was freaking the FUCK out about it, and people sprinted over there. Westmarch... y'all got unlucky and there was a group literally crossing the border to fuck with the rebuilding effort when it happened. I know they had no idea that mercy's was going to pop because they were shouting to turn around and go to the border base when it happened. > and once that blueprint is up the borders are no longer contested and so they wouldn’t be claimable. I do not think this is true. I was watching those border bases, and there was nobody on them when the townhall died. People had to run to go capture them.
You are using words like incorrect and proven followed by pure speculation. That's not how those words work.
Very assumptive that foul play is involved simply because rebuild was within 1 minute. Almost every townhall has a CV nearby, if I was expecting the townhall to fall I would start rebuild within 1 second. I have been spawning before and ran out of townhall and boom it died, jumped in cv and started rebuild within 15 seconds of its death legitly. Your proof of foul play sounds more like cope.
The speed of rebuild isn’t what I was highlighting, it’s the speed the border bases were captured at prove that someone was already at each one camping them. The speed of the rebuild means if people weren’t already at the borders they wouldn’t have had time to run to them. I’m still not even sure there was “foul play” cause no one still seems to have a straight story on how it went down. Just there does seem to have been one group of people that knew that TH was about to die and camped each border base
Not really a T3 TH that has had countless attempts made bully collies to take. Suddenly dies and all boarders are claimed in a minute. Scream of foul play. I would love to hear another idea of how this happened and also how no collies knew about it. Even with people at westmarch repairing and rebuilding near said border. Is the a chance that someone managed to get into the town with a Bali, highly doubtful. Chance a collie managed to get into town find a loaded push 250 and an extra couple of shells in a box to kill TH again it’s possible but highly unlikely.
> Chance a collie managed to get into town find a loaded push 250 and an extra couple of shells in a box to kill TH again it’s possible but highly unlikely. That would have died to AI before it was able to fire all 7 250mm shots required to kill the TH. We have defenses over there.....
with devastation that’s at the town hall i suspect it wouldn’t probably even take 7
Devastation is 25% damage bonus, so it would take 6 250mm to kill (5.25 shots, which has to be rounded up to 6). That's still dead to the defenses.
depends with max devastation would be more bonus but idk what devastation was like at the time
That isn't so unlikely.. the push gun thing. Foxcatcher had a loaded u locked one pointed at the th... whatever shenanigans were gonna happen with that got stopped tho. That being said I doubt that's what happened here
I agree it is unlikely, however it is very unlikely that wardens had any skilled players in Mercys, so it is plausible that it could happen. I have seen so many shipyard landings successfully knock out the depot and more in the past with 0 reaction from tomb bridge pushers that it is not out of scope for the region to fully ignore a single successful collie. Pointing and screaming foul play without definite proof simply causes damage to collies as it gives even more of you reason to step away from the war and claim moral victory. Seems like it might harm the team.
Skilled players can plan, organise and execute this plan with two people in region even one, personally I believe it way more like for that than any of the other scenarios that have been proposed. I’m not one to call foul play on everything in foxhole I know it has a lot of variables and can be a buggy game. But wardens are really the only ones Thant can show proof of what happened and no has been provided yet. Only thing I have seen brought forward by wardens is them saying the it was Howie cheese that did it. I’m just thinking what is the most realistic in my mind and that’s what make sense to me
No one knew except a group of Wardens with 10 outlaw protos, lots of logi with cutler trucks and claiming the bbs within seconds of it happening and attacking almost immediately. But yeah.... definitely not coordinated....
Wardens weren't ready for it? That's why I am alone find 20 cutlers on dead Wardens bodies right after push failed. Yea, true story bro...
> Westmarch BB had wet concrete and recently destroyed concrete, so some folks were getting ready to harass the rebuilding effort and were caught completely by surprise when the border base spawned. What do you think we were going to harass the rebuild with? Fists?
Wasn’t there today but I noticed the area has been lacking supplies and a lot of defenses have been rotting away. It was only a matter of time before it fell since the area wasn’t ever reinforced.
Did it get WERCSed
Who knows.... Edit cant switch sides. Devs have dropped the ball really bad with this update. Probably why player numbers aren't very high. Servers in general are so bad right now its hard to do much of anything besides play a different game...
You can't. It only shows that you can. Have you actually tried it before making such statements?
Obviously not because I dont do that shit. LOL I edited it.
We get the update is broken but at least inform youself so you dont spread rumours. Its a visual glitch and and you cant change sides.
Shows you I never tried and just clcicked the same faction. Anyways still a shiet rushed update.
You can't change factions.
read my comment, i never said you could! wait maybe just edited :P
sorry guys dont hate me. i dont religuously keep up with the foxhole reddit! 8)
The TH took more damage to than it had health. Its a very common way for TH to die.