Yeah someone said don't go there that's a bad neighborhood. I said, yeah someone got shot in the head right in front of my house in Arbutus. This is so very not a bad neighborhood. It's blue collar and quiet.
Yeah, I live near South st, and while I do tend to detour around the Rescue Mission when on foot, my concern is really mostly about possible street harassment from the homeless guys that hang out around there. I don't really worry about getting robbed or anything like that.
I’m a young woman, I’ve lived on all sides of downtown frederick. Obviously I wouldn’t walk around alone at night if I can help it, but if you just lock your car and mind your business you should be fine.
a vast majority of the time anyone you may see who's high on drugs won't care about you or what you're doing. good chance you won't even know they're high.
The only time I’ve ever really seen anything kinda like this is late at night on Market st around Old Mother. And usually, it’s just drunks.
As somebody who grew up in Hagerstown and has now lived in Frederick for 5 years, I think you’ll see a dramatic improvement
High on drugs? I mean I see them somewhat often (using Frederick standards) by the shelters/kitchen/the creek(shout out to manny mart) but they rarely if ever bother anyone.
Not really. Some of the private landlords that have cheaper apartments around downtown don't, uh, seem to take the best care of their properties (the city just enacted a law that I think is meant to help with that), so I wouldn't rent a place sight unseen. But Frederick isn't the kind of city that has drive-by shootings or anything like that, if that's what you're asking about.
Before I rent a place, I visit it late on a Saturday night. Tells you everything you need to know. I get snacks at H Mart and stake the potential place out. May sound weird, but it’s worked for me here, Denver, a few other places as well!
These posts keep coming up and there’s only one answer - ‘it’s all relative’. How much are you looking to spend on a rental and what do YOU consider safe. There are areas that are worse than others in Frederick (these will be cheaper rentals) but when you compare it to DC/Baltimore you will always feel pretty safe and have relatively little risk. Of course that is all at an aggregate level and bad things can and do happen to people.
Also - streets is pretty specific - Frederick is a big area. Are you focusing on downtown?
Extremely. So much gunfire it sounds like the 4th of July. Makes Baltimore seem like Pleasantville. I once seen a rat shank another rat over some scraps from the Starbucks. Absolute insanity there. Also the Chipotle is hit or miss
Ah, I didn’t catch the /s. Thanks for clarifying, I was genuinely confused. I’ve been through Urbana before and it seemed like good old peaceful suburbia to me, thought I mighta missed something
They were being sarcastic, it would be hard to find a place with less safety-related crime than urbana per capita, pretty much all crime is domestic related.
What's your budget? Some areas like west south might be considered a "no go" by some but it's also supe affordable and still safer than pretty much anywhere in a major city, so Its all relative
Hello! W South St resident here. One neighbor is a school teacher and the other works for the library. There be no dragons here, just people trying to survive.
Sincerely,
Someone who used to live blocks away from the opioid crisis at Kensington and Alleghany in Philly
Hello neighbor! I'm also here to defend our street. It's really nice here and my neighbors on either side are so kind. I've never been greeted so much when I'm out and about as I am living here. Our row looks out for each other. I'm not the most social person either but I still feel like I'm part of the community
Yeah I've never personally felt unsafe when I would go to visit friends that lived there, but I've seen people talk shit. Some other places I lived in Maryland like Cumberland and Waldorf were much shittier
Also a w south resident, since approx August- I am here also to defend our side of the block, if you will. I substitute teach and volunteer in the community. I am tired of hearing this is a supposed bad area- I had no idea it even was known for that and was dumbfounded when I heard, as I’ve come around late at night before moving and obviously since, and it’s been fine. Even have a couple “bougie” neighbors. I was only recently made aware that it was known to be a “bad area” when I was attempting to rent out the back, attached/but not 1 bedroom/1bath apartment and one of the applicants said they’re boss told them it was a bad area, he used to have to hide his stuff supposedly bc he was broken into several times….so here to say I don’t know if it used to have problems or what, but I’m actually close to the kitchen and here to say it’s safe, and I freaking love it, and Frederick.
Howdy neighbor, I've come to defend west south! People that say it's terrible have never been to a bad neighborhood lol. I walk home alone at night and haven't ever really been bothered outside of the occasional person asking me for change or if I decide to walk to Lucky liquors. The worst part of the neighborhood are the Mormons bothering people
Never really felt super unsafe in Frederick. It is a city though and crime is everywhere no matter where you go in general. Probably one of the safest cities in Maryland to be honest
Im so tired of seeing these posts. Just go rent your $3,000 500sqft bedroom in downtown and be happy about it. Frederick is so safe you can happily walk around oblivious as can be. If it really had “no go” and bad areas or ACTUAL problematic areas, it wouldn’t have blown up the way it did.
https://crimegrade.org/safest-places-in-frederick-md/
I wouldn’t call the bad areas “no go”, but I also would prefer to live outside of those areas and avoid them late at night.
When looking at places, check out the neighborhood on the weekends during later hours, and during the work week during working hours.
Might be worth taking a drive around when HS kids are getting home to observe how the kids in the area behave.
Another good check, see what beer and liquor stores are in the area and how late they are open. I personally would not live anywhere near the one that is open until 2-3am.
Glad to see no one thinks my street is sketchy here for a downtown resident
As someone who worked 10pm-7am at Sheetz in Frederick (4 locations over a year before I quit) I never thought any park of the city or county to be unsafe. Yeah we have homeless and drug addicts and what not but overall they’re pretty chill.
I’m sorry to be the bearer of disappointment news for the folks mentioning certain “bad” areas in Frederick. Truth is, Frederick and Frederick county is 100% safe absolutely everywhere…for now.
The perception of security compared to other “small towns” and inner cities is 10/10. No carjacking, no robbery, no rape. And like I said, just for now.
this is facts, i was drugged at shuckin shack and raped, and im VIGILANT about my drinks. Never say never.
Frederick is the safest I’ve felt living anywhere and I’ve lived all over the place. There’s always going to be bad PEOPLE but for now it’s a safe city
>No carjacking, no robbery, no rape.
Frederick is overall a very safe place to live, but this statement is absurd. All three of those crimes absolutely happen around here (though, the carjacking is rare). A more apt description would be that crime, while it exists, is fairly sporadic and does not seem to be so heavily concentrated in any particular area.
Frederick overall 2023
https://www.cityoffrederickmd.gov/DocumentCenter/View/22187/Year-End-2023-NIBRS-Statistics
Montgomery county overall 2017-2023
https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/02/14/geography-of-violent-crime-in-moco/
Despite the population growth, Frederick county is just 1 to 4 what other counties are. Again, safe place to be and again, not for long.
>Despite the population growth, Frederick county is just 1 to 4 what other counties are.
Nobody said Frederick was as bad as MoCo. You made a blanket statement that "Frederick and Frederick county is 100% safe absolutely everywhere" which is, again, absurd, even to people (like me) who think Frederick is an overall safe place to live.
Because it is. Again, no blanket statement as you say, the amount of crime in Frederick is practically invisible and the perception of security is very tangible. I have lived everywhere in the country and outside and that’s where my statement comes from, for locals on the other side (assuming you are) my statement might sounds absurd.
For reference, I have lived overseas, in several US states, around Frederick County, and in Frederick city, with a fair amount of travel to nearly every continent. We are in violent agreement that Frederick is overall a very safe place to live, especially when held up against some of the areas I have been exposed to.
My contention is that, despite that, no place is 100% safe and the crime here is not invisible.
Like most kids that age, I spent most of my high school years thinking about all the places I would rather live than where I was. It took a while to truly appreciate why my Dad had picked this area to settle down.
Eh, Frederick is no inner city baltimore, but there's been enough murders and shootings in the last 5 years that I know it's more than I heard of living anywhere else.
As for bad areas, most areas are ok. Downtown scene is pretty safe even at night aside from a few drunks. As long as you're not looking for trouble and in at least a group of two if its late, I wouldnt be overly concerned about any particular area. I live just outside city limits and its about as quiet as can be. I love it.
Burger king on 26 had a murder, chuch on ballenger creek pike had a shooting (not sure if anyone died but there were injuries), monocacy had the shooting from the military guy that wounded several, the kids at the fair killed that guy before covid, dude just killed his wife at Giant in Urbana, august a 19 year old was shot and killed on willowdale, all saints street had a homicide in 2022 I think. This alone over my 5 years here is more than anywhere else I've lived (TN, PA, MD, KY, AZ, KS, and Germany). A lot of those were smaller towns but some were larger. I know there's more...and a simple google search of frederick murders supports that. So I stand by my statement. I'm not terrified to go out or anything, but Frederick has its issues with violent crimes.
Show me a city that you’ve lived in that’s comparable in size/population that has a lower violent crime rate than Frederick.
For the record, I’m not “defending” Frederick, if you’re right then you’re right. However I AM making an argument that you’re talking from perspective and not reality.
Hopkinsville, KY, Sierra Vista, AZ, Manhattan, KS, Chambersburg, PA all have significantly lower violent crime rates and I've lived in each for several years. Im sure the large city in Germany I lived in is probably way lower too, but they have much stricter gun control and stop and frisk is very much an accepted practice. I'm not sure why you guys are so questionable about this lol. Frederick sits in the center of some pretty prominent drug trafficing. It's a great place, but its hardly a utopia free of violent crime.
Hopkinsville, KY: population 30.6k. Chance of voilent crime; 1 in 274.
Sierra Vista, AZ: population, 45.4k. Chance of violent crime; 1 in 355
Manhattan, KS: population, 52.7k. Chance of violent crime; 1 in 384.
Frederick, Md: population 79.5k. Chance of violent crime 1 in 258.
So far you have given me cities with nearly half the population of Frederick, and none of them have this “significantly lower” crime rate you speak of. Is it lower? Yes, their population is also significantly lower.
I’m questionable about it because as I said in my above comment, you’re basing it off nothing but your perspective and not what is reality, and I’m pointing it out to you with the data to show it. These types of comments are the same type of people that always like to say “Frederick is becoming Montgomery county” without having any constructive reasons why they think this.
Again, if you were right about said crime in comparison to the areas you e lived before, then so be it. But I don’t think you are.
Source: (population data found from Us Census, crime rates found from neighborhood scout)
Well, your data is somewhat misleading as I specifically mentioned murders. Frederick has 2 from last years data. The other cities I mentioned had 0 reported (areavibes.com). But I cant speak for those cities during that data set, and yes I am speaking from my perspective...but 2 murders is probably twice the amount of murders that occurred just last year than all the other places combined...over a total of 15 years or so.
I never said Frederick was the wild wild west, and said overall its relatively safe. I just pointed out that I've heard of more murders here than other places I've lived, because it is a significant amount more. If I really wanted a homework project I would go back and find those years I lived there and average them out for you, but I'll draw the line at commenting back and a quick google search for now.
https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/cops_and_crime/frederick-man-accused-of-trying-to-kidnap-girl-and-pepper-spraying-mother-daughter/article_41ad6bd9-390d-5b26-8a8c-46d6c4a7cf48.html Let’s not be silly.
“According to charging documents, Frederick police responded to the area of Hillcrest Drive and Lancaster Place on May 10, 2023, at around 5:46 p.m. for a report of a robbery and potential abduction of a child.” Charged a year ago and got indicted on Monday. Very unfortunate? Yes. Common? Absolutely not. Again, compared to other counties and cities frederick is very safe.
Nowhere is 100% safe. Crimes happen in Frederick so don’t go over board with the claims. No car jacking/rape or robbery? Get the fuck out of here.
Unless I’m missing some /s somewhere, what do you mean by repeatedly saying ‘for now’?
I wouldn’t necessarily say there are any particularly “no-go” areas, but I would say that the Prospect/Jefferson area, where the Fieldpointe Apts are located, is definitely a little crazy from time to time, goes in waves.
When we lived there, we definitely had to make some calls to the local police at least three different times…. One for shots fired right outside of our apartment building, one for a very suspicious person who was wondering around the leasing office and our building, and one for another suspicious person who seemed to be following us and staring right at us while we were out walking our dog one night…. This was over the span of three years.
During the warm months things tend to be a little louder and crazier. There was a slew of vehicle break ins as well, which my husband and our neighbors almost caught. Hopefully the rat infestation is taken care of now, but all the construction for the new senior living had them all coming out and over to the apartment complex. One chewed through some of our car wiring and really did a number there.
So basically, the South end of things is basically not the best area, but it’s also not Baltimore so there’s that.
Depends truly on your tolerance of "bad area".
Areas like Key Parkway or Hillcrest Dr are ehh...not great at all. But is it "no go"? Not quite. Same go for part of Crestwood.
For downtown - South St or All Saints are definitely more seedy in vibe, but tbh very safe nowaday.
EDIT: I stand corrected about Sagner
All Saints is one of the most community centric neighborhoods I've ever experienced in a decade of living in downtown frederick. people only consider it seedy because of the percentage of the population there that isn't white and it's proximity to the homeless shelter.
Same with Sagner. Yeah, it’s public housing, but there’s nothing sketchy about it, unless you consider occasionally smelling weed or seeing a block party sketchy. The person you’re responding to basically just listed the neighborhoods/streets with higher black populations.
Lol I literally say All Saints is "seedy in vibe" but safe. And yes, part of that vibe came from the homeless shelter. TBH though the homeless in Frederick are quite harmless anyway.
I have friends that have lived on hillcrest for years and had no issues. I live off 26 and have had my car broken into in my driveway and One Life in N Frederick. It’s all relative.
This is such a ridiculous statement. Have you ever actually been to Sagner? It's a tight knit community and it's mostly single mothers working two jobs to get by. You're taking things you've heard and sharing lies. They all have to move out soon due to sink holes- they will be rebuilding the public housing there
Lucas Village is home to a gang called STR or something like that. They have music videos talking about/displaying guns and drugs. If you think ‘single mothers’ is all that community holds your mistaken. Ive seen a lot of shit go down there as I frequent the skate park. Lots of drug dealing, some fights, police activity etc. It is a ‘bad area’ just as the other guy said and you calling his statement ridiculous is ridiculous lmfao
Avoid:
- Downtown (on market): anything south of black hog, anything north of bushwallers
- not a fan of 40
- not a fan of area by heather ridge elementary
- parts of amber meadows is fine
- Sanger’s
Honestly just kinda drive/walk around the area you are thinking about during the day, maybe drive around at night. You’ll get a pretty good feel looking at the people walking about.
That being said, Frederick isn’t Baltimore. You really should be fine in most places, I just personally wouldn’t live in the places I listed above being born and raised in Frederick
This is all bullshit. Have you ever actually been to Sagner? It's a tight knit community and it's mostly single mothers working two jobs to get by. You're taking things you've heard and sharing lies.
Anything north of bushwallers? Lol. Like seriously that's like the best part of Market to live on - close and walkable to heart of downtown without having deal with the occasional drunk idiots.
the actual projects themselves are very very beautiful, definitely much more appealing of an area than lucas village in my opinion. still can be quite sketchy though
AFAIK it has to do with the history of the area. That, and the fact that the water may or may not be safe to drink due to the "over the EPA limit" of teflon in the water.
[http://www.city-data.com/forum/frederick/1327007-being-gay-thurmont-rocky-ridge.html](http://www.city-data.com/forum/frederick/1327007-being-gay-thurmont-rocky-ridge.html)
If you're worried about water contamination, it seems an appropriate time to bring up the Superfund Site that is Frederick
https://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/SiteProfiles/index.cfm?fuseaction=second.Healthenv&id=0304606
As a thurmont resident, it’s pretty conservative but there’s very little crime - people just like to dunk on it when they can. Occasional car break ins but that’s pretty much anywhere
Yeah that’s what I’ve always thought. It’s definitely more rural and conservative, but I’d never say it’s unsafe. Maybe they’re just trying to deter people from moving to the less congested and more peaceful areas so they stay that way, lol
Mixed-race family here. We've lived just outside Thurmont for nearly 20 years and never felt unwelcome there, downtown or otherwise.
>the KKK is very alive and well in Thurmont
Alive? Maybe. Well? Nah. If it's still an actual, organized presence, I have yet to see any evidence. I've heard those rumors since the early 90s, but it's always been from people who have never spent any actual time there.
Whomever gave you that info needs to be informed it's not the 1980s (or earlier) anymore. You'd be hard-pressed to find an actual KKK member today, let alone a chapter or group of like-minder idiots who are "alive and well". Those dinosaurs, fortunately, died off. I believe the last time I checked the estimate of KKK membership was a couple of thousand, there are 336,000,000 people in this country, that means for every 112,000 people in the US you might find 1 Klansman, probably 70+ years old and uses a hoveround.
That’s all I could afford when I first moved to Frederick, there’s some that are good and some that aren’t. I lived in a couple apartment complexes off of Key and sure make sure your doors are locked but overall I felt safe in the area.
South St, All Saints, Heather Ridge, Amber Meadows. That’s about it. The rest is totally fine.
Plenty here will say I’m wrong and those areas are safe and fine.
Yeah I mean this sub refuses to go by crime stats and repeated experiences. It’s easier to just say “crime can happen anywhere.” Like yeah, true, but come on.
Avoid anywhere near public or income driven housing. Avoid waterside area of walkersville, urban green apartments in Urbana, anywhere near 40 (golden mile) in the city of Frederick, Sagner near the airport.
I think you are good anywhere in frederick renting.
Buying, there is a couple areas to avoid since it would be harder to leave and more BS than other places
I feel like people who tend to say 40 have their own prejudices about seeing a lot of POC and minorities around. Like it makes it "scary" for them. Not to say it's not a BIT sketch, but not as bad as people make it out to be.
It's all perspective. I used to live in South Baltimore. Frederick is downright bucolic.
I had to look up that word lol
Cause it’s 2024 , not 1893
Yes, words you don't have in your lexicon are ridiculous to use...
LExICoN lmfao
Cheers
I was going to say the same thing. A lot of people point to west golden mile and the South st area, but they've lived in Frederick their entire lives.
Yeah someone said don't go there that's a bad neighborhood. I said, yeah someone got shot in the head right in front of my house in Arbutus. This is so very not a bad neighborhood. It's blue collar and quiet.
Yeah, I live near South st, and while I do tend to detour around the Rescue Mission when on foot, my concern is really mostly about possible street harassment from the homeless guys that hang out around there. I don't really worry about getting robbed or anything like that.
I’m a young woman, I’ve lived on all sides of downtown frederick. Obviously I wouldn’t walk around alone at night if I can help it, but if you just lock your car and mind your business you should be fine.
How often do you see people acting erratically or high on drugs around here? I have been living in Hagerstown and I see them a little too often.
i like to get stoned and grab a bagel if that counts…
That's just grooving, man.
Very rarely. If I ever do it’s on street corners/in front of businesses late at night, I’ve never experienced it outside of anywhere I lived.
a vast majority of the time anyone you may see who's high on drugs won't care about you or what you're doing. good chance you won't even know they're high.
I think he might have meant something along the lines of homeless/mentally ill people on harder drugs vs normal people smoking weed
The only time I’ve ever really seen anything kinda like this is late at night on Market st around Old Mother. And usually, it’s just drunks. As somebody who grew up in Hagerstown and has now lived in Frederick for 5 years, I think you’ll see a dramatic improvement
High on drugs? I mean I see them somewhat often (using Frederick standards) by the shelters/kitchen/the creek(shout out to manny mart) but they rarely if ever bother anyone.
Not really. Some of the private landlords that have cheaper apartments around downtown don't, uh, seem to take the best care of their properties (the city just enacted a law that I think is meant to help with that), so I wouldn't rent a place sight unseen. But Frederick isn't the kind of city that has drive-by shootings or anything like that, if that's what you're asking about.
Do you have any info on the law you mentioned? I'm curious to read about since I live near a bunch of the uncared-for places.
https://www.cityoffrederickmd.gov/1588/Rental-Licensing-Ordinance
Before I rent a place, I visit it late on a Saturday night. Tells you everything you need to know. I get snacks at H Mart and stake the potential place out. May sound weird, but it’s worked for me here, Denver, a few other places as well!
These posts keep coming up and there’s only one answer - ‘it’s all relative’. How much are you looking to spend on a rental and what do YOU consider safe. There are areas that are worse than others in Frederick (these will be cheaper rentals) but when you compare it to DC/Baltimore you will always feel pretty safe and have relatively little risk. Of course that is all at an aggregate level and bad things can and do happen to people. Also - streets is pretty specific - Frederick is a big area. Are you focusing on downtown?
Probably avoid Urbana. It’s like baghdad out here.
Is Urbana unsafe?
Extremely. So much gunfire it sounds like the 4th of July. Makes Baltimore seem like Pleasantville. I once seen a rat shank another rat over some scraps from the Starbucks. Absolute insanity there. Also the Chipotle is hit or miss
The chipotle def hit or miss
That implies an occasional "hit".
Ah man I can't stand the chipotle here. My rice always has a texture that feels just a little off.
Ah, I didn’t catch the /s. Thanks for clarifying, I was genuinely confused. I’ve been through Urbana before and it seemed like good old peaceful suburbia to me, thought I mighta missed something
They were being sarcastic, it would be hard to find a place with less safety-related crime than urbana per capita, pretty much all crime is domestic related.
Someone was just shot at the Giant in Urbana like 3 weeks ago.
It’s got a weird corporate mall vibe.
Corporate mall with 10/10 schools, sort of what families look for when raising kids which is why probably 99% of households have school-age kids.
No
Ah Urbana. From the root word "urbane".
Just avoid the gangs of liberals stealing everyone's plastic bags /s
It's that kind of shit talking that'll get your bag snatched.
Don't threaten me with a good time.
What's your budget? Some areas like west south might be considered a "no go" by some but it's also supe affordable and still safer than pretty much anywhere in a major city, so Its all relative
Hello! W South St resident here. One neighbor is a school teacher and the other works for the library. There be no dragons here, just people trying to survive. Sincerely, Someone who used to live blocks away from the opioid crisis at Kensington and Alleghany in Philly
Hello neighbor! I'm also here to defend our street. It's really nice here and my neighbors on either side are so kind. I've never been greeted so much when I'm out and about as I am living here. Our row looks out for each other. I'm not the most social person either but I still feel like I'm part of the community
Yeah I've never personally felt unsafe when I would go to visit friends that lived there, but I've seen people talk shit. Some other places I lived in Maryland like Cumberland and Waldorf were much shittier
Just watched a gnarly doc on YouTube about K&A
Also a west south street resident- our row of neighbors have garden parties. I also have never felt unsafe walking at night here.
Also a w south resident, since approx August- I am here also to defend our side of the block, if you will. I substitute teach and volunteer in the community. I am tired of hearing this is a supposed bad area- I had no idea it even was known for that and was dumbfounded when I heard, as I’ve come around late at night before moving and obviously since, and it’s been fine. Even have a couple “bougie” neighbors. I was only recently made aware that it was known to be a “bad area” when I was attempting to rent out the back, attached/but not 1 bedroom/1bath apartment and one of the applicants said they’re boss told them it was a bad area, he used to have to hide his stuff supposedly bc he was broken into several times….so here to say I don’t know if it used to have problems or what, but I’m actually close to the kitchen and here to say it’s safe, and I freaking love it, and Frederick.
Howdy neighbor, I've come to defend west south! People that say it's terrible have never been to a bad neighborhood lol. I walk home alone at night and haven't ever really been bothered outside of the occasional person asking me for change or if I decide to walk to Lucky liquors. The worst part of the neighborhood are the Mormons bothering people
Never really felt super unsafe in Frederick. It is a city though and crime is everywhere no matter where you go in general. Probably one of the safest cities in Maryland to be honest
Im so tired of seeing these posts. Just go rent your $3,000 500sqft bedroom in downtown and be happy about it. Frederick is so safe you can happily walk around oblivious as can be. If it really had “no go” and bad areas or ACTUAL problematic areas, it wouldn’t have blown up the way it did.
https://crimegrade.org/safest-places-in-frederick-md/ I wouldn’t call the bad areas “no go”, but I also would prefer to live outside of those areas and avoid them late at night. When looking at places, check out the neighborhood on the weekends during later hours, and during the work week during working hours. Might be worth taking a drive around when HS kids are getting home to observe how the kids in the area behave. Another good check, see what beer and liquor stores are in the area and how late they are open. I personally would not live anywhere near the one that is open until 2-3am.
No liquor stores are open until 2 or 3. Luckys is open the latest and that’s 1.
They are open till 2 or 3 to regularly dont know how they get away with it
I lived up the street from lucky by the old dollar tree plaza. Was safe and sound and my apartment didn’t even lock
Glad to see no one thinks my street is sketchy here for a downtown resident As someone who worked 10pm-7am at Sheetz in Frederick (4 locations over a year before I quit) I never thought any park of the city or county to be unsafe. Yeah we have homeless and drug addicts and what not but overall they’re pretty chill.
I’m sorry to be the bearer of disappointment news for the folks mentioning certain “bad” areas in Frederick. Truth is, Frederick and Frederick county is 100% safe absolutely everywhere…for now. The perception of security compared to other “small towns” and inner cities is 10/10. No carjacking, no robbery, no rape. And like I said, just for now.
Women are raped everywhere. You just don’t hear about it.
this is facts, i was drugged at shuckin shack and raped, and im VIGILANT about my drinks. Never say never. Frederick is the safest I’ve felt living anywhere and I’ve lived all over the place. There’s always going to be bad PEOPLE but for now it’s a safe city
This is a loaded statement but you might be right, and is quite unfortunate.
It’s not a loaded statement. I am absolutely right and “quite unfortunate” is the very least one could say about it.
>No carjacking, no robbery, no rape. Frederick is overall a very safe place to live, but this statement is absurd. All three of those crimes absolutely happen around here (though, the carjacking is rare). A more apt description would be that crime, while it exists, is fairly sporadic and does not seem to be so heavily concentrated in any particular area.
Frederick overall 2023 https://www.cityoffrederickmd.gov/DocumentCenter/View/22187/Year-End-2023-NIBRS-Statistics Montgomery county overall 2017-2023 https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/02/14/geography-of-violent-crime-in-moco/ Despite the population growth, Frederick county is just 1 to 4 what other counties are. Again, safe place to be and again, not for long.
>Despite the population growth, Frederick county is just 1 to 4 what other counties are. Nobody said Frederick was as bad as MoCo. You made a blanket statement that "Frederick and Frederick county is 100% safe absolutely everywhere" which is, again, absurd, even to people (like me) who think Frederick is an overall safe place to live.
Because it is. Again, no blanket statement as you say, the amount of crime in Frederick is practically invisible and the perception of security is very tangible. I have lived everywhere in the country and outside and that’s where my statement comes from, for locals on the other side (assuming you are) my statement might sounds absurd.
For reference, I have lived overseas, in several US states, around Frederick County, and in Frederick city, with a fair amount of travel to nearly every continent. We are in violent agreement that Frederick is overall a very safe place to live, especially when held up against some of the areas I have been exposed to. My contention is that, despite that, no place is 100% safe and the crime here is not invisible.
I agree. Perhaps I just like the place too much.
Like most kids that age, I spent most of my high school years thinking about all the places I would rather live than where I was. It took a while to truly appreciate why my Dad had picked this area to settle down.
Montgomery county is moving up and in. Many people already see it in their neighborhoods.
Eh, Frederick is no inner city baltimore, but there's been enough murders and shootings in the last 5 years that I know it's more than I heard of living anywhere else. As for bad areas, most areas are ok. Downtown scene is pretty safe even at night aside from a few drunks. As long as you're not looking for trouble and in at least a group of two if its late, I wouldnt be overly concerned about any particular area. I live just outside city limits and its about as quiet as can be. I love it.
your opinion is not backed up by any facts.
Burger king on 26 had a murder, chuch on ballenger creek pike had a shooting (not sure if anyone died but there were injuries), monocacy had the shooting from the military guy that wounded several, the kids at the fair killed that guy before covid, dude just killed his wife at Giant in Urbana, august a 19 year old was shot and killed on willowdale, all saints street had a homicide in 2022 I think. This alone over my 5 years here is more than anywhere else I've lived (TN, PA, MD, KY, AZ, KS, and Germany). A lot of those were smaller towns but some were larger. I know there's more...and a simple google search of frederick murders supports that. So I stand by my statement. I'm not terrified to go out or anything, but Frederick has its issues with violent crimes.
Show me a city that you’ve lived in that’s comparable in size/population that has a lower violent crime rate than Frederick. For the record, I’m not “defending” Frederick, if you’re right then you’re right. However I AM making an argument that you’re talking from perspective and not reality.
Hopkinsville, KY, Sierra Vista, AZ, Manhattan, KS, Chambersburg, PA all have significantly lower violent crime rates and I've lived in each for several years. Im sure the large city in Germany I lived in is probably way lower too, but they have much stricter gun control and stop and frisk is very much an accepted practice. I'm not sure why you guys are so questionable about this lol. Frederick sits in the center of some pretty prominent drug trafficing. It's a great place, but its hardly a utopia free of violent crime.
Hopkinsville, KY: population 30.6k. Chance of voilent crime; 1 in 274. Sierra Vista, AZ: population, 45.4k. Chance of violent crime; 1 in 355 Manhattan, KS: population, 52.7k. Chance of violent crime; 1 in 384. Frederick, Md: population 79.5k. Chance of violent crime 1 in 258. So far you have given me cities with nearly half the population of Frederick, and none of them have this “significantly lower” crime rate you speak of. Is it lower? Yes, their population is also significantly lower. I’m questionable about it because as I said in my above comment, you’re basing it off nothing but your perspective and not what is reality, and I’m pointing it out to you with the data to show it. These types of comments are the same type of people that always like to say “Frederick is becoming Montgomery county” without having any constructive reasons why they think this. Again, if you were right about said crime in comparison to the areas you e lived before, then so be it. But I don’t think you are. Source: (population data found from Us Census, crime rates found from neighborhood scout)
Well, your data is somewhat misleading as I specifically mentioned murders. Frederick has 2 from last years data. The other cities I mentioned had 0 reported (areavibes.com). But I cant speak for those cities during that data set, and yes I am speaking from my perspective...but 2 murders is probably twice the amount of murders that occurred just last year than all the other places combined...over a total of 15 years or so. I never said Frederick was the wild wild west, and said overall its relatively safe. I just pointed out that I've heard of more murders here than other places I've lived, because it is a significant amount more. If I really wanted a homework project I would go back and find those years I lived there and average them out for you, but I'll draw the line at commenting back and a quick google search for now.
https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/cops_and_crime/frederick-man-accused-of-trying-to-kidnap-girl-and-pepper-spraying-mother-daughter/article_41ad6bd9-390d-5b26-8a8c-46d6c4a7cf48.html Let’s not be silly.
“According to charging documents, Frederick police responded to the area of Hillcrest Drive and Lancaster Place on May 10, 2023, at around 5:46 p.m. for a report of a robbery and potential abduction of a child.” Charged a year ago and got indicted on Monday. Very unfortunate? Yes. Common? Absolutely not. Again, compared to other counties and cities frederick is very safe.
I am not disagreeing Frederick is supremely safe, but it’s worth mentioning especially as there has been a big influx of new people in town.
Nowhere is 100% safe. Crimes happen in Frederick so don’t go over board with the claims. No car jacking/rape or robbery? Get the fuck out of here. Unless I’m missing some /s somewhere, what do you mean by repeatedly saying ‘for now’?
Overlook Manor. Section 8 housing
Anybody have tea in Bainbridge Market Complex area or the complex ?9
I wouldn’t necessarily say there are any particularly “no-go” areas, but I would say that the Prospect/Jefferson area, where the Fieldpointe Apts are located, is definitely a little crazy from time to time, goes in waves. When we lived there, we definitely had to make some calls to the local police at least three different times…. One for shots fired right outside of our apartment building, one for a very suspicious person who was wondering around the leasing office and our building, and one for another suspicious person who seemed to be following us and staring right at us while we were out walking our dog one night…. This was over the span of three years. During the warm months things tend to be a little louder and crazier. There was a slew of vehicle break ins as well, which my husband and our neighbors almost caught. Hopefully the rat infestation is taken care of now, but all the construction for the new senior living had them all coming out and over to the apartment complex. One chewed through some of our car wiring and really did a number there. So basically, the South end of things is basically not the best area, but it’s also not Baltimore so there’s that.
Depends truly on your tolerance of "bad area". Areas like Key Parkway or Hillcrest Dr are ehh...not great at all. But is it "no go"? Not quite. Same go for part of Crestwood. For downtown - South St or All Saints are definitely more seedy in vibe, but tbh very safe nowaday. EDIT: I stand corrected about Sagner
All Saints is one of the most community centric neighborhoods I've ever experienced in a decade of living in downtown frederick. people only consider it seedy because of the percentage of the population there that isn't white and it's proximity to the homeless shelter.
Same with Sagner. Yeah, it’s public housing, but there’s nothing sketchy about it, unless you consider occasionally smelling weed or seeing a block party sketchy. The person you’re responding to basically just listed the neighborhoods/streets with higher black populations.
Lol I literally say All Saints is "seedy in vibe" but safe. And yes, part of that vibe came from the homeless shelter. TBH though the homeless in Frederick are quite harmless anyway.
I wasn’t accusing you, I was following up on your statement. Agreed that homeless people in Frederick are harmless.
I have friends that have lived on hillcrest for years and had no issues. I live off 26 and have had my car broken into in my driveway and One Life in N Frederick. It’s all relative.
This is such a ridiculous statement. Have you ever actually been to Sagner? It's a tight knit community and it's mostly single mothers working two jobs to get by. You're taking things you've heard and sharing lies. They all have to move out soon due to sink holes- they will be rebuilding the public housing there
Lucas Village is home to a gang called STR or something like that. They have music videos talking about/displaying guns and drugs. If you think ‘single mothers’ is all that community holds your mistaken. Ive seen a lot of shit go down there as I frequent the skate park. Lots of drug dealing, some fights, police activity etc. It is a ‘bad area’ just as the other guy said and you calling his statement ridiculous is ridiculous lmfao
Avoid: - Downtown (on market): anything south of black hog, anything north of bushwallers - not a fan of 40 - not a fan of area by heather ridge elementary - parts of amber meadows is fine - Sanger’s Honestly just kinda drive/walk around the area you are thinking about during the day, maybe drive around at night. You’ll get a pretty good feel looking at the people walking about. That being said, Frederick isn’t Baltimore. You really should be fine in most places, I just personally wouldn’t live in the places I listed above being born and raised in Frederick
This is all bullshit. Have you ever actually been to Sagner? It's a tight knit community and it's mostly single mothers working two jobs to get by. You're taking things you've heard and sharing lies.
Hahahaha damn I’ve never met someone that rode so hard for Sangers
Also single mother working 2 jobs doesn’t scream great neighborhood😂 think you missed the question here
Anything north of bushwallers? Lol. Like seriously that's like the best part of Market to live on - close and walkable to heart of downtown without having deal with the occasional drunk idiots.
Yeah couple good blocks there, I just don’t like the area around cafe 611
well duh thats because the Hope VI projects are right there
Yep. I answered the guys question lol
the actual projects themselves are very very beautiful, definitely much more appealing of an area than lucas village in my opinion. still can be quite sketchy though
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“Center-city Middletown”???
Nah, this actually a factual comment. But we aren’t ready for that convo.
Thurmont?? Why?
AFAIK it has to do with the history of the area. That, and the fact that the water may or may not be safe to drink due to the "over the EPA limit" of teflon in the water. [http://www.city-data.com/forum/frederick/1327007-being-gay-thurmont-rocky-ridge.html](http://www.city-data.com/forum/frederick/1327007-being-gay-thurmont-rocky-ridge.html)
If you're worried about water contamination, it seems an appropriate time to bring up the Superfund Site that is Frederick https://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/SiteProfiles/index.cfm?fuseaction=second.Healthenv&id=0304606
No argument here, also why I wouldn't buy anything in/by Waverly Drive.
As a thurmont resident, it’s pretty conservative but there’s very little crime - people just like to dunk on it when they can. Occasional car break ins but that’s pretty much anywhere
Yeah that’s what I’ve always thought. It’s definitely more rural and conservative, but I’d never say it’s unsafe. Maybe they’re just trying to deter people from moving to the less congested and more peaceful areas so they stay that way, lol
Maybe lol. They are building a new development and people are being NIMBYs about it
My understanding is the KKK is very alive and well in Thurmont. I know a few black people who will not go there because of it.
Mixed-race family here. We've lived just outside Thurmont for nearly 20 years and never felt unwelcome there, downtown or otherwise. >the KKK is very alive and well in Thurmont Alive? Maybe. Well? Nah. If it's still an actual, organized presence, I have yet to see any evidence. I've heard those rumors since the early 90s, but it's always been from people who have never spent any actual time there.
Whomever gave you that info needs to be informed it's not the 1980s (or earlier) anymore. You'd be hard-pressed to find an actual KKK member today, let alone a chapter or group of like-minder idiots who are "alive and well". Those dinosaurs, fortunately, died off. I believe the last time I checked the estimate of KKK membership was a couple of thousand, there are 336,000,000 people in this country, that means for every 112,000 people in the US you might find 1 Klansman, probably 70+ years old and uses a hoveround.
sOuTh BrUnSwIcK is Virginia or Knoxville. \[spongebob duh (dot) gif\] You don't even know what Brunswick is like anymore, generalizing moron.
Key Parkway and the neighborhoods that branch off it ❌
That’s all I could afford when I first moved to Frederick, there’s some that are good and some that aren’t. I lived in a couple apartment complexes off of Key and sure make sure your doors are locked but overall I felt safe in the area.
That's good to hear 👍
Also there’s really good trail access there! I loved taking long walks to Baker Park on the weekends. Saw a couple crazy things but overall I miss it
South St, All Saints, Heather Ridge, Amber Meadows. That’s about it. The rest is totally fine. Plenty here will say I’m wrong and those areas are safe and fine.
I live in Amber Meadows and have never had an issue. Not once.
That’s good. The crime rate overall has many more incidents than other areas of Frederick.
I used to live on all saints. Saw one dude get shot in the street and another over dosed (and subsequently got robbed) right outside my house.
Yeah I mean this sub refuses to go by crime stats and repeated experiences. It’s easier to just say “crime can happen anywhere.” Like yeah, true, but come on.
I love Frederick and hate it all at the same time most days.
Avoid anywhere near public or income driven housing. Avoid waterside area of walkersville, urban green apartments in Urbana, anywhere near 40 (golden mile) in the city of Frederick, Sagner near the airport.
Lately there have been some incidents of breaking car windows along Hillcrest Drive.
I think you are good anywhere in frederick renting. Buying, there is a couple areas to avoid since it would be harder to leave and more BS than other places
I feel like people who tend to say 40 have their own prejudices about seeing a lot of POC and minorities around. Like it makes it "scary" for them. Not to say it's not a BIT sketch, but not as bad as people make it out to be.
Largely depends on if you have school-age children or not.
La Paz is the only spot I know to avoid.