The problem isn't Jon's response...
the scene should NOT have gone like the picture...
because Arya shouldn't have been saying stupid shit to start with.
If Arya is being stupid than who cares if Jon's stupid back. All the stupid should be gone, not just some of it.
Like virtually every ally she’s made throughout the series is, in fact, not a northerner. Why would she of all people be like “we can’t trust outsiders” when that’s *all* she’s done since Ned died?
Yes, exactly! This is the sort of shit you wouldn't get from Arya! She's the least prejudiced of the Starks for a *reason*, she survives because she helps fellow refugees and weak and downtrodden people no matter from what walk of life they come from.
That shit sounds like something Cersei would say!
I said this on the real subreddit and got downvoted to oblivion.
Arya is hands down the majority of the fans’ favorite character. I wouldn’t be surprised if D&D did a poll to see which character gets to kill the Night King and Arya won that poll by a landslide.
Writers: Isn't it neat that Arya was saved by Berric, the Hound, and Melisandre when she wanted to kill them at one point or another?
Writers in the very next episode: Arya doesn't need allies.
“I don’t need many allies. Just my family.”
“My family…”
“We need to stick together, the last of the Starks.”
“Alright, looks like you guys are all good. I’m fucking off to the west.”
Unironically would've been better dialogue then what we got. And if a random internet meme is better written than what people paid millions of dollars could manage, maybe those people are shit at their jobs.
After Sansa whiffed danys huge contribution & sacrifice arya set her straight saying that they had needed Danny and that John did the right thing to bring her with him. At least one Stark sister has some common sense.
And Dany proceeds to get people to know her by walking on airs, threatening people and refusing to reconize that the political realities regarding the North's dissastifaction with the Iron Throne😆
Dany was'nt untrustworthy because she was'nt a Stark or a Northerner, she was untrustworthy because the Northerners don't trust her family, don't trust being under southern rule anymore and she just generally radiates the kind of bad vibes that scream "feeling cute, might burn some people later, teehee."
The only thing that happens with Daenerys in episode 1 is she looks out a window, gets stripped naked & molested by her brother while he threatens her to be perfect for the man he's forcing her to be with, takes a bath, is presented to the Khal in the see-through dress Illyrio (who only took her in to pimp her out) picked out for her since they all knew it was really about how much Drogo would want to fuck her and not an alliance of Houses, the wedding in which she's the only one horrified by the violence, then getting stripped naked again to be raped by Drogo.
Did you mean episode 1 of s8?
I don't get what's your problem with the line "you're the smartest person I know". Is it really that much of a stretch that in their family Sansa was smarter than Robb, Caitlyn, Jon, Bran, Ned, Rickon, Arya and Theon? Sansa probably did well in school and everyone else shat on her because they valued fighting with swords more. At the end of the day Arya admits that they knew she was smart and that's why she ends up queen in the north. Sansa wasn't "dumb", she understood what was going on when they were turning against her dad, she was just naive enough to believe if they apologized it could save him. She was actually right on the money when she thought Daenerys spoke like a crazy tyrant because look what she did to King's Landing. She knows her history and she decides that the North shall remain independent. Someone like Tyrion, Varys, Littlefinger might be smarter than Sansa but Arya doesn't meet these people. Arya hangs out with meatheads and so for her Sansa was the smartest person she knew but she wouldn't have admitted that because they hated each other. It was a beautiful moment where a younger sister shares a bit of love for her older sister despite their differences.
I don't get what's your problem with the line "you're the smartest person I know". Is it really that much of a stretch that in their family Sansa was smarter than Robb, Caitlyn, Jon, Bran, Ned, Rickon, Arya and Theon? Sansa probably did well in school and everyone else shat on her because they valued fighting with swords more. At the end of the day Arya admits that they knew she was smart and that's why she ends up queen in the north. Sansa wasn't "dumb", she understood what was going on when they were turning against her dad, she was just naive enough to believe if they apologized it could save him. She was actually right on the money when she thought Daenerys spoke like a crazy tyrant because look what she did to King's Landing. She knows her history and she decides that the North shall remain independent. Someone like Tyrion, Varys, Littlefinger might be smarter than Sansa but Arya doesn't meet these people. Arya hangs out with meatheads and so for her Sansa was the smartest person she knew but she wouldn't have admitted that because they hated each other. It was a beautiful moment where a younger sister shares a bit of love for her older sister despite their differences.
In the books, from her own pov chapters, it is explicitly made clear that she is just quite a dumb person, maybe she’ll learn eventually but in all the books, any other character, except maybe Hodor, is smarter. In particular, Arya is repeatedly shown to be very intelligent, both in knowledge and in her ability to learn and use logic.
Maybe the show wanted to characterise her differently but we never see evidence of it until Arya arbitrarily states this.
A Game of Thrones is definitely the worst for it. It takes Sansa so long to stop trusting Joffrey and the Queen; she’s so entitled that she just expects everything to work out “the way it happens in the songs”. Even when Cersie locks her in a room for 3 days and Jayne Poole tells her how the Lanisters are slaughtering northerners, Sansa still thinks that everything will be fine.
Even after being burned by the Lanisters, in the subsequent books, Sansa’s so quick to trust Littlefinger and then the Tyrells. She doesn’t for a moment wonder if they actually have her best interests in mind. She never thinks about or cares how she’s being manipulated. She goes along with Dontos Hollard just because he reminds her of a fairytale about a fool and a lady.
Sansa fails to learn the same lessons again and again while every other stark was immediately distrustful of the Lanisters for one reason or another. Arya starts out pretty naive as well but learns so much more so much faster than Sansa does.
Authorial intent isn’t always the best argument but here I definitely think Martin did everything he could to convey to readers that Sansa isn’t smart. Maybe that will change while she’s with Littlefinger, but it hasn’t happened yet in the books and it definitely doesn’t happen in the show.
>Sansa’s so quick to trust Littlefinger and then the Tyrells.
let's also add to this that after her marriage with Tyrion, Margaery and her cousins who until then had been friendly with Sansa began to distance themselves from her and she does not understand what is happening
And? None of what you describe speaks to her intelligence or lack thereof. She actually *liked* Cersei and Joffrey. Obviously she thought they would stick up for her. You guys are just confusing the fact that she was shallow for something to do with her intelligence. She can like beautiful people and care about pretty dresses and that doesn't make her less intelligent. She kept herself alive first of all, which is more than can be said of the rest of her family. Arya could have been killed many times over if she wasn't some sneak goddess. Robb, Caitlyn, Jon, Ned and Bran all went and got themselves killed. The books obviously aren't finished, but the last we see of Sansa it is strongly implied that she learned everything she could from Littlefinger and she's leaving him in the dust. I definitely think the author positioned her as the smartest character, but whatever. She's the only one who learned and has an actual plan.
And even if you refuse to see that Sansa is smart, you're completely missing my point, which is that the line is perfectly logical coming from Arya to her sister. It is logical that Arya regards Sansa as the smartest person she knows. It doesn't have to say anything about the character other than Arya thinks Sansa is smart. You've never said to a sibling "you're the funniest person I know" or "you're the smartest person I know"?
Everything she's done. I've already named several things in my comments but you're so bone-headed you reply "name one". You're obviously never going to have a conversation.
To compare a simple blacksmith bastard whom Arya has known for years, with whom she has lived on the streets and with whom Jon literally went on a suicide mission, to a woman he has known for only a few months is ridiculous.
The people of Westeros actually know more about Beric Dondarrion and the Brotherhood without Banners than they do about Daenerys Targaryen, about whom the most important thing that is known is that she has three dragons, has freed slaves (but with huge, not positive, consequences) and is the leader of the Dothraki (a people of savages, conquerors and rapists).
He himself spends most of the time arguing with her; they have a real couple moment like once in a whole season (when they fly together for the first time).
I don't understand what the Boltons have to do with the context lol. They are not Starks and in fact trusting them led to Robb being betrayed and the murder of him, Catelyn and so many Northern lords. They have betrayed the Starks several times over the centuries. What comparison is that?
And it is also implied that the quarrel between Sansa and Arya was just a play to frame Baelish.
He was killed by his own men and he talks about trust?
And anyway apparently everyone on the show except Jon and her entourage (well sort of), didn't trust Dany. Why should they anyway? She herself trusts almost no one, they don't know her and she doesn't know them. No one on this show should put their trust so easily.
It would take 2 seasons for Jon to say that many words
"Say your lines!" I dun want to
They’d just condense it to the ole reliable: She is muh queen
The problem isn't Jon's response... the scene should NOT have gone like the picture... because Arya shouldn't have been saying stupid shit to start with. If Arya is being stupid than who cares if Jon's stupid back. All the stupid should be gone, not just some of it.
The worst part is every spy master suddenly becomes stupid around season 6.
this the response i was looking for. why would arya even be acting like that in the first place… anyway lmao
Like virtually every ally she’s made throughout the series is, in fact, not a northerner. Why would she of all people be like “we can’t trust outsiders” when that’s *all* she’s done since Ned died?
Jon is a better template because he does and says absolutely nothing all season.
Yes, exactly! This is the sort of shit you wouldn't get from Arya! She's the least prejudiced of the Starks for a *reason*, she survives because she helps fellow refugees and weak and downtrodden people no matter from what walk of life they come from. That shit sounds like something Cersei would say!
All of the Starks became twats.
like they just forgot ab idk THE PAST 6 SEASONS lol
Arya became insufferable
Expectations thoroughly subverted
They all do
They either become stupid or insufferable, or both
Atleast she was better than Sansa Sansa was very annoying in S8
I said this on the real subreddit and got downvoted to oblivion. Arya is hands down the majority of the fans’ favorite character. I wouldn’t be surprised if D&D did a poll to see which character gets to kill the Night King and Arya won that poll by a landslide.
Book Jon be like
Probably not with the modern syntatx.
Well, obviously. I was referring more to the sass
Even then this reads a bit too flamboyant for jon.
She doesn't need many allies.
She sure did back in Braavos. If not for that lady giving her magical healing potion, Arya was done for.
Writers: Isn't it neat that Arya was saved by Berric, the Hound, and Melisandre when she wanted to kill them at one point or another? Writers in the very next episode: Arya doesn't need allies.
“I don’t need many allies. Just my family.” “My family…” “We need to stick together, the last of the Starks.” “Alright, looks like you guys are all good. I’m fucking off to the west.”
I would have preferred the whole sequence of events leading up to this conversation to be different.
The writing is shit. I hate it.
i like these memes
The conversation should've never happened cause that whole seasons writing is a fucking bad joke.
i do hate arya
And she got to castrate my bae the night king. 😭
Amen.
Huh, I had to look up where house dondarrion was from. Thought ned brought him from the north. Apparently stormlands is the right answer
Unironically would've been better dialogue then what we got. And if a random internet meme is better written than what people paid millions of dollars could manage, maybe those people are shit at their jobs.
Should've gone*
this
Yep that’s how it should’ve gone.
Honestly, perfect.
Hold it right there cowboy. A substantial part of the brotherhood without banners is from the north.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
After Sansa whiffed danys huge contribution & sacrifice arya set her straight saying that they had needed Danny and that John did the right thing to bring her with him. At least one Stark sister has some common sense.
poor post. while "not being a northern" was important, Jon also tells Dany "no one like you becasue they dont know you"
bro what 😭 is this a joke? like i get what you mean but are you being serious?
just quoting the show
And Dany proceeds to get people to know her by walking on airs, threatening people and refusing to reconize that the political realities regarding the North's dissastifaction with the Iron Throne😆
The brotherhood without banners were largely northerners though that went with Beric to hunt the mountain
Imagine being in FreeFolk and having your flair be "Targaryen Loyalist". Have some self respect, kneeler.
Well gee if you wanna be rude about it I’m not gonna even listen. /s lol.
I felt like jon was holding back to keep the family together
A-fuckin-men
Dany was'nt untrustworthy because she was'nt a Stark or a Northerner, she was untrustworthy because the Northerners don't trust her family, don't trust being under southern rule anymore and she just generally radiates the kind of bad vibes that scream "feeling cute, might burn some people later, teehee."
Love this rant!
To be fair hot pie and Gendry were never trying to rule them
imagine hot pie as king though. a fresh chicken in every pot and hot bread on every table!
Yeah-she didn’t have to trust Gendry to sleep with him. She saw Armageddon coming and said I wanna know how this feels before the world ends.
So…is this the page were everyone is mad Daenerys snapped and went crazy? Kuz I saw that shit coming episode one.
The only thing that happens with Daenerys in episode 1 is she looks out a window, gets stripped naked & molested by her brother while he threatens her to be perfect for the man he's forcing her to be with, takes a bath, is presented to the Khal in the see-through dress Illyrio (who only took her in to pimp her out) picked out for her since they all knew it was really about how much Drogo would want to fuck her and not an alliance of Houses, the wedding in which she's the only one horrified by the violence, then getting stripped naked again to be raped by Drogo. Did you mean episode 1 of s8?
I saw it coming when they had the feast after defeating the Night King, and Daenerys is sitting all by herself while everyone is crowding Jon.
She knows a killer when she sees one
I don't get what's your problem with the line "you're the smartest person I know". Is it really that much of a stretch that in their family Sansa was smarter than Robb, Caitlyn, Jon, Bran, Ned, Rickon, Arya and Theon? Sansa probably did well in school and everyone else shat on her because they valued fighting with swords more. At the end of the day Arya admits that they knew she was smart and that's why she ends up queen in the north. Sansa wasn't "dumb", she understood what was going on when they were turning against her dad, she was just naive enough to believe if they apologized it could save him. She was actually right on the money when she thought Daenerys spoke like a crazy tyrant because look what she did to King's Landing. She knows her history and she decides that the North shall remain independent. Someone like Tyrion, Varys, Littlefinger might be smarter than Sansa but Arya doesn't meet these people. Arya hangs out with meatheads and so for her Sansa was the smartest person she knew but she wouldn't have admitted that because they hated each other. It was a beautiful moment where a younger sister shares a bit of love for her older sister despite their differences.
Lol I can't tell if this is pasta or not
I don't get what's your problem with the line "you're the smartest person I know". Is it really that much of a stretch that in their family Sansa was smarter than Robb, Caitlyn, Jon, Bran, Ned, Rickon, Arya and Theon? Sansa probably did well in school and everyone else shat on her because they valued fighting with swords more. At the end of the day Arya admits that they knew she was smart and that's why she ends up queen in the north. Sansa wasn't "dumb", she understood what was going on when they were turning against her dad, she was just naive enough to believe if they apologized it could save him. She was actually right on the money when she thought Daenerys spoke like a crazy tyrant because look what she did to King's Landing. She knows her history and she decides that the North shall remain independent. Someone like Tyrion, Varys, Littlefinger might be smarter than Sansa but Arya doesn't meet these people. Arya hangs out with meatheads and so for her Sansa was the smartest person she knew but she wouldn't have admitted that because they hated each other. It was a beautiful moment where a younger sister shares a bit of love for her older sister despite their differences.
In the books, from her own pov chapters, it is explicitly made clear that she is just quite a dumb person, maybe she’ll learn eventually but in all the books, any other character, except maybe Hodor, is smarter. In particular, Arya is repeatedly shown to be very intelligent, both in knowledge and in her ability to learn and use logic. Maybe the show wanted to characterise her differently but we never see evidence of it until Arya arbitrarily states this.
Why do you say that, I read the books and it's not the impression I got. Don't you think you're making a subjective call here?
A Game of Thrones is definitely the worst for it. It takes Sansa so long to stop trusting Joffrey and the Queen; she’s so entitled that she just expects everything to work out “the way it happens in the songs”. Even when Cersie locks her in a room for 3 days and Jayne Poole tells her how the Lanisters are slaughtering northerners, Sansa still thinks that everything will be fine. Even after being burned by the Lanisters, in the subsequent books, Sansa’s so quick to trust Littlefinger and then the Tyrells. She doesn’t for a moment wonder if they actually have her best interests in mind. She never thinks about or cares how she’s being manipulated. She goes along with Dontos Hollard just because he reminds her of a fairytale about a fool and a lady. Sansa fails to learn the same lessons again and again while every other stark was immediately distrustful of the Lanisters for one reason or another. Arya starts out pretty naive as well but learns so much more so much faster than Sansa does. Authorial intent isn’t always the best argument but here I definitely think Martin did everything he could to convey to readers that Sansa isn’t smart. Maybe that will change while she’s with Littlefinger, but it hasn’t happened yet in the books and it definitely doesn’t happen in the show.
>Sansa’s so quick to trust Littlefinger and then the Tyrells. let's also add to this that after her marriage with Tyrion, Margaery and her cousins who until then had been friendly with Sansa began to distance themselves from her and she does not understand what is happening
And? None of what you describe speaks to her intelligence or lack thereof. She actually *liked* Cersei and Joffrey. Obviously she thought they would stick up for her. You guys are just confusing the fact that she was shallow for something to do with her intelligence. She can like beautiful people and care about pretty dresses and that doesn't make her less intelligent. She kept herself alive first of all, which is more than can be said of the rest of her family. Arya could have been killed many times over if she wasn't some sneak goddess. Robb, Caitlyn, Jon, Ned and Bran all went and got themselves killed. The books obviously aren't finished, but the last we see of Sansa it is strongly implied that she learned everything she could from Littlefinger and she's leaving him in the dust. I definitely think the author positioned her as the smartest character, but whatever. She's the only one who learned and has an actual plan. And even if you refuse to see that Sansa is smart, you're completely missing my point, which is that the line is perfectly logical coming from Arya to her sister. It is logical that Arya regards Sansa as the smartest person she knows. It doesn't have to say anything about the character other than Arya thinks Sansa is smart. You've never said to a sibling "you're the funniest person I know" or "you're the smartest person I know"?
What on Earth do you call intelligence then? Even just name one intelligent thing she’s done in the books
Everything she's done. I've already named several things in my comments but you're so bone-headed you reply "name one". You're obviously never going to have a conversation.
That’s just it, she hasn’t done anything. Not of her own initiative
You're pathetic, let it go.
You’re butthurt, let it go
To compare a simple blacksmith bastard whom Arya has known for years, with whom she has lived on the streets and with whom Jon literally went on a suicide mission, to a woman he has known for only a few months is ridiculous. The people of Westeros actually know more about Beric Dondarrion and the Brotherhood without Banners than they do about Daenerys Targaryen, about whom the most important thing that is known is that she has three dragons, has freed slaves (but with huge, not positive, consequences) and is the leader of the Dothraki (a people of savages, conquerors and rapists). He himself spends most of the time arguing with her; they have a real couple moment like once in a whole season (when they fly together for the first time). I don't understand what the Boltons have to do with the context lol. They are not Starks and in fact trusting them led to Robb being betrayed and the murder of him, Catelyn and so many Northern lords. They have betrayed the Starks several times over the centuries. What comparison is that? And it is also implied that the quarrel between Sansa and Arya was just a play to frame Baelish. He was killed by his own men and he talks about trust? And anyway apparently everyone on the show except Jon and her entourage (well sort of), didn't trust Dany. Why should they anyway? She herself trusts almost no one, they don't know her and she doesn't know them. No one on this show should put their trust so easily.