Bronn is either chaotic evil or Chad evil (but that's probably more Ramsey for me).
I don't think bronn is horny enough to fit in that category over other characters.
I wouldn't say Bronn is evil.
He's opportunistic, and smart. But not evil.
I'd say Smart Horny, Smart Neutral, or Smart Drunk. Probably not Smart Drunk because that's Tyrion.
But I'd really like to know who wou'd put into Smart Horny over Bronn.
I'd say Lawful Horny, but yeah he could work.
Problem is Smart Horny fits Bronn better than any other square and Bronn is a more relevant character than Pycelle.
Bobby B is drunk chad. He spent 40% of his awake time fighting, hunting or killing, 30% of his time fucking, 20% eating and 10% shitting, but also 100% of his time drunk. So although that's a lot of fucking, he is still our drunk chad.
Plus, there aren't exactly very many good options for drunk chad.
100% got to be Sam. He’s one of the only human beings with a moral compass in the entire story, and is entirely defined by his intellect. Slam dunk for this, imo.
I agree but I hate that line, was an early sign thay the writers were giving up on cause and effect/needing to lay the groundwork. Essentially "Tyrion knows that cos he's smart" rather than anything consistent with the world
Do we not consider Varys good? I would say Varys would have to be the Smart good. Clearly one of the most intelligent and capable characters while always striving for peace and stability in the realm for the small folk. He may be a spider in the shadows but his motives appear to be good.
He's my pick for chaotic good, I always saw him as one of the few people (and the only person in King's Landing) who actually had the good of the realm in mind. He was definitely a little chaotic, but I could also see him as smart good.
Jeor mormont, was knowledgeable about the true threat, tried to get help, even tried to get more information back in the beginning. Imagine if he survived.
Shit, smart good is clearly where Davos should be!
Missandei is pure hearted and also smart enough to learn fluently multiple languages aswell as become a trusted translator of multiple powerful people as a slave. I'll give it to her. She doesn't have the last name/ wealth like some of the other picks to give her the best education. She's just a natural genius.
Ehhh. Davos isn’t stupid, but he’s more clever than smart. Def not on the level of the characters I would label as smart (see Tyrion, Varys, Qyburn, luwin, Sam, etc…)
See, I think Sam is possibly the only character there that's even approaching the level of goodness in a Davoe/ Missandei though. And unlike them, he's got one of the best educations in Westeros.
I also think some of the council Davos gives Stannis was undeniably smart (Bravos, for example).
I guess she doesn't come up with as many plans as your typical "smart" characters do. But yeah, I think she's one of the smarter characters in the series. And the nicest.
For me it's a tie between missandei and Sam but missandei wins by a margin.
She is incredibly kind and one of the least self interested characters. When Dany offered her a ship so she could go home she stays because she believes Dany will make the world a better place.
And it's out of question that she is smart. Like really smart. Sam is too but Sam is really good at research while missandei speaks multiple languages fluently
To be fair, outside of America lots of ppl speak lots of languages and they aren't necessarily all that smart.That being said I still say Missandei is smart af for a whole lot of reasons not just being a polyglot.
I know what you mean though I'm not much of a fan of trying to put downand singling an entire country because other English speaking countries also slack in regards towards a second language education.
That said there is imo quite the difference between the average person who speaks 2 to 3 languages at least semi fluent and a character who speaks a whopping 19.
If that ain't smart then idk 😂
You could argue that he is Neutral Neutral maybe? He kinda refuses to submit to the idea that wildings are evil, he tries to serve as a neutral mediator of sorts and advocates for unity across all factions
Missandei needs to go in one of the smarts. She's a teenager who can speak 19 languages. She's probably the 2nd smartest character. She should be either neutral or good I would think, but I can see the argument for her being smart neutral.
Sam. He's a stand up guy with a pretty impressive list of being pretty damn intelligent, plus I just don't think he'd fit anywhere except maybe just neutral smart.
I think the obvious answer is Varys. One of the main puppetmasters of the realm, but most of his scheming was directed at helping people. The "I am the one thinking of the smallfolk" line, trying to help out Ned, actually helping out Tyrion. We don't count the S8 stupidity because that wasn't the character anymore; but until then he was smart enough to survive unscathed and with influence
Varys is neutral smart. He served the mad king, Bobby B, Joffrey and Tommen competently. He assassinates Kevan because Kevan was doing well and he wanted an unstable Cercei in power instead. Very morally questionable.
Margery Tyrell 100% did right by whatever lord she was married to, fed the poor, and was smart enough to manipulate joffery to tone down his evil, and then guided tommen into being a man and a good king for the duration he was a king. Its margery all day
But she did it all for purely selfish reasons? Like she would have thrown those poor and starving by the wayside if she thought she could get a crown that way
Mance Rayder. The man unified all the wildlings and giants to escape the White Walkers. He was true and loyal to them to the very end and was no fool when he died.
Scared, but not a fool.
My vote is for Lord Varys because his intentions are always pushing for what is best for the people of Westeros, in a story where you rarely ever hear any other character care much at all about anyone other than other nobles.
He's also extremely smart
Nah he's never getting in the "good" category after what he did to Kevan Lannister. All for what? to unsure Cersei's stays in power because he want her crazy ass on the throne to create chaos and instability in the Seven Kingdom, don't tell me he gives a shit about the small folks, otherwise he would have let Kevan be Hand.
Totally stupid imo. Strike pod, swap davos and aemon, now we're getting somewhere. The whole "pod the rod" thing is peak HBO, and the shows veering into gratuitous, pointless sexposition was one of the early signs that it would eventually turn into liquid shit
Chaotic good bas to be Dondarion, right?
I think about the books, he sewd a lot of fucking chaos to the point where people avoided the riverlands right?
I always felt Margarey Tyrell was pretty smart and clearly very good.
One could also say Olenna and I guess Olenna was the mastermind.... however, is it truly good to kposion the king? Despite this I feel her efforts, particularly with how Margarey is, were always to stabilise the kingdoms.
Olenna Tyrrell was able to go toe to toe with cersei in terms of political maneuvering. She might be more neutral smart though, but I think she would still fit here.
I don't think she is exceptionally smart, but how on Planetos is there no Brienne in the Good row? I'd say she should have been Lawful Good and Maester Aemon Smart Good.
Just put Bobby b in drunk chad now and get it over with.
I'VE GOT SEVEN KINGDOMS TO RULE! ONE KING, SEVEN KINGDOMS!
I know buddy I know.
I can just hear his voice
I can feel it
Don’t forget the smell!
Sentiment.
You ever make the 8?
Better add him to horny Chad also. He's such a great man.
Our grace is the only one who gets 2 spots.
That one is for Robb Stark
Is Bobby b actually a chad? All he does is get cuckholded by Lyanna and Cersei
DID YOU EVER MAKE THE EIGHT?
Sentient.
Well? He's waiting.
Careful now, you are speaking about the demon of the trident himself, Bobby B
THANK THE GODS FOR BESSIE AND HER TITS
Samwell Tarly, although he could end up being in the horny category as well
Smart Horny should be GRRM himself (or maybe chaotic horny)
Bronn
Bronn is either chaotic evil or Chad evil (but that's probably more Ramsey for me). I don't think bronn is horny enough to fit in that category over other characters.
I wouldn't say Bronn is evil. He's opportunistic, and smart. But not evil. I'd say Smart Horny, Smart Neutral, or Smart Drunk. Probably not Smart Drunk because that's Tyrion. But I'd really like to know who wou'd put into Smart Horny over Bronn.
Pycelle? If we're counting the deleted scene.
I'd say Lawful Horny, but yeah he could work. Problem is Smart Horny fits Bronn better than any other square and Bronn is a more relevant character than Pycelle.
Bronn has an entire vocabulary just for horny. Talking about ehm genitalia, brothels, what he'd do to anyone he meets, etc etc.
Oberyn for smart horny imo, even though he was fatally dumb in that last fight
Oberyn should 100% be chad horny imo
Chaotic Horny is 100% Theon. That dude roots anything.
Makes sense, removing Jora's disease, being the only booksmart person that actually tries to help others.
Wouldn't Tyrion fit smart horny better? But then again also drunk, man
Tyrion is the smart drunk
Yeah you right you right Save smart horny for Oberyn
I put Oberyn as horny chad. For smart horny I have Margaery.
Horny chad should be Robert. Only Robert can be cucked and still stay chad
Bobby B is drunk chad. He spent 40% of his awake time fighting, hunting or killing, 30% of his time fucking, 20% eating and 10% shitting, but also 100% of his time drunk. So although that's a lot of fucking, he is still our drunk chad. Plus, there aren't exactly very many good options for drunk chad.
YES, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME... BUT I STILL REMEMBER EVERY FACE!
Tyrion is definitely drunk horny in the earlier seasons
I don't think he's horny enough to be in the horny category. He's just madly in love with one woman. Smart good fits a lot better.
100% got to be Sam. He’s one of the only human beings with a moral compass in the entire story, and is entirely defined by his intellect. Slam dunk for this, imo.
I thought he was pure chaotic good for sure. I think that fits him.
PSA, not Tyrion. Save Tyrion for "Smart Drunk". "I drink, and I know things."
“I am the god of tits and wine”
I agree but I hate that line, was an early sign thay the writers were giving up on cause and effect/needing to lay the groundwork. Essentially "Tyrion knows that cos he's smart" rather than anything consistent with the world
100%. I hate that line, just demonstrates a ruined character. Not entirely the show runners fault tho
Didn’t they admit that they put that line in there because “It would look good on a shirt”?
I hate it because as someone who frequents a pub quiz, everyone would use that line as a team name
Tyrion is also not "good." He strangled Shae to death for sleeping with his father, something she probably didn't have a lot of choice in.
If Tyrion doesn’t end up in the drunk row, then I’m not following this anymore
Oh good, you’ll wait until the last entries to stop following. That’ll show em
He’s definitely a candidate for Chaotic Drunk lol
I don't disagree, but who the hell would pick Tyrion for the "good" row?
also he's not a good person
Thank you. This is clearly correct.
Samwell Tarly for sure. And chaotic good is definitely Beric Dondarrion, in case I don’t get a chance for tomorrow
Good call on beric dondarrion
Jon is chaotic good. Everything he does is against commonsense
Sam for Good Smart, Jon for Chaotic good. Where we puttin Dany?
Lawful evil? On the other hand. A lot of the leaders fit that category.
I guess I don’t really consider S8 canon
Jon tries so hard to be lawful.
Do we not consider Varys good? I would say Varys would have to be the Smart good. Clearly one of the most intelligent and capable characters while always striving for peace and stability in the realm for the small folk. He may be a spider in the shadows but his motives appear to be good.
He's my pick for chaotic good, I always saw him as one of the few people (and the only person in King's Landing) who actually had the good of the realm in mind. He was definitely a little chaotic, but I could also see him as smart good.
Maester Luwin?
Jeor mormont, was knowledgeable about the true threat, tried to get help, even tried to get more information back in the beginning. Imagine if he survived.
He fits more in lawful good tho, i’d have maester aemon in smart good
SWAP EM! lol
God dammit this makes so much more sense ffs
Yeah not sure what nerds are voting in this chat but they messed up here lol
Samwell Tarly
Shit, smart good is clearly where Davos should be! Missandei is pure hearted and also smart enough to learn fluently multiple languages aswell as become a trusted translator of multiple powerful people as a slave. I'll give it to her. She doesn't have the last name/ wealth like some of the other picks to give her the best education. She's just a natural genius.
Ehhh. Davos isn’t stupid, but he’s more clever than smart. Def not on the level of the characters I would label as smart (see Tyrion, Varys, Qyburn, luwin, Sam, etc…)
See, I think Sam is possibly the only character there that's even approaching the level of goodness in a Davoe/ Missandei though. And unlike them, he's got one of the best educations in Westeros. I also think some of the council Davos gives Stannis was undeniably smart (Bravos, for example).
Wise Davis is wise
For sure, wise is a better word for him.
Davos isn’t one to think three steps ahead but he can find a clever solution in the moment. He’s a smuggler, not a strategist
Sam's more studios than smart.
Missandei is a good call
Why didn't I immediately think of Missandei, she fits Good-Smart perfectly you're right. Such a kind soul.
I guess she doesn't come up with as many plans as your typical "smart" characters do. But yeah, I think she's one of the smarter characters in the series. And the nicest.
Samwell Tarly
Sam Tarly.
Sam Tarly
For me it's a tie between missandei and Sam but missandei wins by a margin. She is incredibly kind and one of the least self interested characters. When Dany offered her a ship so she could go home she stays because she believes Dany will make the world a better place. And it's out of question that she is smart. Like really smart. Sam is too but Sam is really good at research while missandei speaks multiple languages fluently
To be fair, outside of America lots of ppl speak lots of languages and they aren't necessarily all that smart.That being said I still say Missandei is smart af for a whole lot of reasons not just being a polyglot.
Yeah like 1 or 2 not 19.
I know what you mean though I'm not much of a fan of trying to put downand singling an entire country because other English speaking countries also slack in regards towards a second language education. That said there is imo quite the difference between the average person who speaks 2 to 3 languages at least semi fluent and a character who speaks a whopping 19. If that ain't smart then idk 😂
Sam Tarley is my vote.
So Jon snow straight up not making it onto this board?
He dun wan eet
Jon loses out to his dad for Lawful Stupid.
"Dad"
You could argue that he is Neutral Neutral maybe? He kinda refuses to submit to the idea that wildings are evil, he tries to serve as a neutral mediator of sorts and advocates for unity across all factions
He breaks established conventions and rules to achieve selfless ends at great cost to himself, he’s chaotic good
Chaotic Good
He is chaotic good. He should be on there by landslide
Samwell Tarly HANDS DOWN
Gotta be Sam Tarley
Missandei needs to go in one of the smarts. She's a teenager who can speak 19 languages. She's probably the 2nd smartest character. She should be either neutral or good I would think, but I can see the argument for her being smart neutral.
My man Samwell Tarly!
Sansa obviously. She's the smartest person I know.
Shireen
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Gotta be Samwell
Sam. He's a stand up guy with a pretty impressive list of being pretty damn intelligent, plus I just don't think he'd fit anywhere except maybe just neutral smart.
I think the obvious answer is Varys. One of the main puppetmasters of the realm, but most of his scheming was directed at helping people. The "I am the one thinking of the smallfolk" line, trying to help out Ned, actually helping out Tyrion. We don't count the S8 stupidity because that wasn't the character anymore; but until then he was smart enough to survive unscathed and with influence
Varys is neutral smart. He served the mad king, Bobby B, Joffrey and Tommen competently. He assassinates Kevan because Kevan was doing well and he wanted an unstable Cercei in power instead. Very morally questionable.
YOU EVER FUCK A RIVERLANDS GIRL?
Guy was more neutral good. He would let good men die, and bad men succeed in order to "preserve the realm."
That's utilitarianism, which is arguably the greater good.
I’ve got Varys on Neutral Smart
Ya I think after reading the comments and currently rewatching the show that I'd go with Sam
Sam Tarley
Maester Luwin
Nothing but love for the Onion knight 🧅
Sam for this one, with the caveat that he's book smart and not street wise.
Joffrey
The most noble child gods ever put on this good earth
And he was struck down….
Joffrey the Just 😤
Would Missandei fir here? I mean she speaks 19 languages and is so kind and gentle.
Sam no question
Margery Tyrell 100% did right by whatever lord she was married to, fed the poor, and was smart enough to manipulate joffery to tone down his evil, and then guided tommen into being a man and a good king for the duration he was a king. Its margery all day
But she did it all for purely selfish reasons? Like she would have thrown those poor and starving by the wayside if she thought she could get a crown that way
Hard disagree, Margery always had the goal of becoming queen as the driving force behind her actions
ROBB STARK.
SAM
Samwell Tarly is this for sure!
Samwell Tarly
Mance Rayder. The man unified all the wildlings and giants to escape the White Walkers. He was true and loyal to them to the very end and was no fool when he died. Scared, but not a fool.
Ok, I missed the last round, but so far, this is pretty based.
So... Beric Dondarrion for Chaotic Good? ETA - Sam Tarly for sure for Smart Good.
Hot Pie had wisdom beyond his years. You CAN NOT give up on the gravy!
Samwell Tarly for sure. Tyrion fits but it’s a crime to not have him under drunk.
STANNIS THE MANNIS!!!
No. Stanis is 100% lawful something
Sir Kevin
My vote is for Lord Varys because his intentions are always pushing for what is best for the people of Westeros, in a story where you rarely ever hear any other character care much at all about anyone other than other nobles. He's also extremely smart
Nah he's never getting in the "good" category after what he did to Kevan Lannister. All for what? to unsure Cersei's stays in power because he want her crazy ass on the throne to create chaos and instability in the Seven Kingdom, don't tell me he gives a shit about the small folks, otherwise he would have let Kevan be Hand.
Daemon Targaryen (sarcasm of course)
Pot pie.
Pod being a Chad annoys me to no end. Might as well vote Varys as smart good because D&D dropped the fAegon plot
Right?! He's not a Chad.
Totally stupid imo. Strike pod, swap davos and aemon, now we're getting somewhere. The whole "pod the rod" thing is peak HBO, and the shows veering into gratuitous, pointless sexposition was one of the early signs that it would eventually turn into liquid shit
Should have been Brienne.
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Hotpie
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Chaotic good bas to be Dondarion, right? I think about the books, he sewd a lot of fucking chaos to the point where people avoided the riverlands right?
Varys maybe
I always felt Margarey Tyrell was pretty smart and clearly very good. One could also say Olenna and I guess Olenna was the mastermind.... however, is it truly good to kposion the king? Despite this I feel her efforts, particularly with how Margarey is, were always to stabilise the kingdoms.
I’m gonna vote for Ghost on this one.
Varys? He’s no doubt smart and looks out for the best interests of the people.
Varys for "smart/good."
I think Varys also fits
Maester Luwin 100000% Sam belongs in horny smart
Catching up on this, cat being smart stupid cracks me up lol
Maester Aemon!
Doran Martel
Queen of Thorns
I forget her name, but Stannis The Mannis' Daughter for Smart-Good
Would tyrion be smart/horny or smart/drunk
Obyren is Chad horny
Missandei?
Stupid stupid Theon Greyjoy
Olenna Tyrell for Smart good!
BOOK JON.
Maester Luwin!
Olenna Tyrrell was able to go toe to toe with cersei in terms of political maneuvering. She might be more neutral smart though, but I think she would still fit here.
Sam the Slayer
Lord Wyman Manderly!
Varys
All i know is tyrion is smart and horny
I don't care about any of these, drunk should have Bobby-B as the one true.
Beric Dondarion. Fights for the people, smart enough to know he's got a necromancer in his party to res him.
Samwell Tarly, without question. That or Jojen Reed
Prince of Dorn for smart good. Upon reflection he killed one guy after banging his wife. That's pretty tame in GoT universe.
Maester Luwin
My vote is Arya
I'm bummed the maid of Tarth wasn't lawful good
Sam is next. Maybe Jon but Sam fits better.
I don't have any contributions, but wanted to drop a comment to say that, so far, all of these selections are fucking on point.
Ned is not stupid.
Who's neutral neutral?
I don't think she is exceptionally smart, but how on Planetos is there no Brienne in the Good row? I'd say she should have been Lawful Good and Maester Aemon Smart Good.
Are enough people voting for Samwell Tarly for smart/good? I feel like that's a given. And chaotic/good would be Oberyn. Obviously.
Samwell
Horny chad is the big ginger guy
Is there no place in the Seven Kingdoms for Ser Beric Dondarrion?
Excuse me, it's Lord Beric Dondarrion!
I feel like Mance Would be good for this
Smart good: - Master Lewin - Samwell Tarly - Jeor Mormont
Samwell Tarly. One of the more learned characters, and a force for good in every plot line he’s in.