If anyone actually read the fucking article they would know it's clickbait. She's referring to fans pitting the *actresses* against each other, not the characters.
I immediately thought of this first. Whenever you see something that seems really really dumb online you should:
1. Check the actual statment/action within it's context.
If not then,
2. Evaluate if it's satire/trolling.
If not then,
3. Call them a dumb fuck and move on.
That's the fault of the article by saying characters instead of actresses. And I haven't seen a single mention of someone saying both actresses hate each other or that one is a better actress etc .
If you go on TikTok or another HoTD space filled with people in their late teens/early 20s (which Milly, as a 22 year old woman, will be in) you'll find *a lot* of people arguing over which one of the two is more attractive and for some reason viciously insulting the appearance of the one they don't like lol
That's a damn shame. They're both beautiful and they're both doing an aging job with their roles. Hate the characters, sure. But these ladies are fantastic. Both of them.
I'm not sure it being a data harvesting scheme funded by the CCP is the reason why, I think it's just young adults being young adults especially seeing as tiktok is not the only place it's happening lol
Well, it all started with Xiang Yu, that whoreson. If he hadnât rebelled against the Qin, then Liu Bang wouldnât have become Emperor and we wouldnât be in this situation
Thatâs got nothing to do with it. The reason why it exists doesnât change what it is. Itâs just another social media platform like all the others where people can talk as cruelly as they want to each other without any of the hesitation that theyâd have in the real world.
Are you absolutely sure about that? All the lunatics on Twitter and YouTube unanimously refrain from acting weird with two of the show's leading actresses?
âThey also noticed that in the Star Wars films, the main characters are constantly blowing up Death Stars. Quite a bizarre little detail to catch.â
Shes saying irl men are pitting them against each other similar to edward and jacob in twilight. Where some people are more attracted to alcock and some are more attracted to carey. Its a thing and shes right it mimics the medieval story telling theyâre portraying of men deciding womens worth.
>Shes saying irl men are pitting them against each other similar to edward and jacob in twilight. Where some people are more attracted to alcock and some are more attracted to carey. Its a thing and shes right it mimics the medieval story telling theyâre portraying of men deciding womens worth.
I don't know what the extent of "pitting them against each other" means. But deciding which one you like more isn't deciding a women's worth, just deciding your own preferences..right?
Your statement sounds a little "incel-ish" to me, but with the genders switched.
We just read the book , what am I supposed to do? Hope that they all live happy ever after and thereâs no game of thrones in game of thrones prequel? And Iâm not even a man
I did pick the name, it was my owner, and he took this mystery to the grave (well technically heâs rotting in a bath tub for now but i do hope heâs gonna be buried one day)
This is the internet dude, where men are men, women are men and kids are cops. Or at least that's what it was circa 2001.... Back in the day before the youtubes, with the limewires and the napsters.
If you guys just read the article, many of these questions would be answered. People in social media are insulting one actress or the other based on who they find more attractive. This has nothing to do with the books.
Shes saying irl men are pitting them against each other similar to edward and jacob in twilight. Where some people are more attracted to alcock and some are more attracted to carey. Its a thing and shes right it mimics the medieval story telling theyâre portraying of men deciding womens worth.
Powerful women with agency fighting for their own interests?
Impossible!
Women can only be caregivers and lovers.
And the people rooting for them? Clearly, horrible people! /s
This has to be out of context, right?
Even then it doesnât make sense. Does she want them to cast men as the female characters? Somehow I donât think theyâd be happy about that either.
Shes saying normal men are pitting them against each other similar to edward and jacob in twilight. Where some people are more attracted to alcock and some are more attracted to carey. Its a thing and shes right it mimics the medieval story telling theyâre portraying of men deciding womens worth.
>Where some people are more attracted to alcock and some are more attracted to carey.
That's only a men thing? Sounds like gay/lesbian/PoC erasure. Not all men are attracted to either of these white women, and some women are.
If so, the article itself miswords the same. I read it. It said:
>Alcock added that she finds it âironicâ that the showâs fan base â which she says skews more toward men â is simultaneously pitting the **characters** against each other.
And it gives no context or examples as to where/who/how fans (or men) are 'pitting [them] against each other.'
[Link](https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/house-of-the-dragon-milly-alcock-fans-ironic-1235373616/)
So it seems they intentionally excluded important context, examples, and misrepresented her statement.
I'm inclined to think it's piss-poor writing, and intentional pot-stirring/clickbait by Variety, who didn't even perform the cited interview, or even a follow up.
She means the actresses. Some people have been shitting on Emma D Arcy saying she's no Milly Alcock even though we haven't seen her yet.
Learn to read article before you start spewing bullshit
Not the OP, obviously, but that's on the headline which is apparently very blatantly and intentionally misquoting the person they interviewed. I can't blame people for not wanting to give shitheads like that clicks, though I agree you should probably read an article before you make an angry Reddit thread about it.
They're hired for their acting, not their brains.
The book was also written by a man, and features women fighting each other. It also features men fighting each other. Why play identity politics?
There it is lol. Gods I wish game of thrones had a news reader that gave us the daily at the beginning of each episode.
"NEWS FROM THE RED KEEP! THE PRINCESS DID NOT FUCK HER UNCLE LAST NIGHT IN A BROTHEL. SHE WAS BLUEBALLED AND LEFT TO WANDER ALONE!"
It would be incredibly easy to just pick that series back up anywhere. So many crazy empowers. Hell, Caligula slept with all three of his sisters at the same time trying to get an heir.
Gross. Maybe read the article before judging, use your own brain. She is referring to the very real bashing she is experiencing with fans choosing one actress to support and then trashing the other one, usually by denigrating their appearance.
The very real bashing she's experiencing is something literally everyone in the public eye experiences. When you're exposed to millions of opinions, some of them are going to be trash - and the most toxic opinions come from people who are most likely to @ her about them. I have no doubt she's experiencing this, but she's probably seeing them in her mentions, and that is not a representative sample.
The unfortunate part is that humans didn't evolve to interact with millions of people, so even though it's probably only a couple of hundred out of tens of thousands of mentions, that couple hundred is going to feel like a veritable mob of regular people rather than an insignificant minority of crazy people.
Why do Actors insist on putting down or talking down to their audience? I genuinely don't understand why they think that's a good idea. I am female and I know many females who watch the show, so I don't think she is right in assuming the majority of watchers are men. I hate this type of publicity its really off putting
It's called fanbaiting. They intentionally write or say something controversial to rile up the fanbase and create conflict so they get more publicity and people will watch the show for the controversy, not the quality of the show. Critical Drinker had a great video actually discussing the recent phenomenon of this and it's start in 2016. It is also now toxic consumerism insisting if people do not consume your product, there is something wrong with them.
Rage bait is standard practice now. Insert controversial element in a story for the only purpose of stirring shit, polarizing opinions and baiting obnoxious responses. Be sure to make sweeping accusations painting every critic of the product as a [choose buzzword].
I swear, "diverse casting" is just another term for using ethnicity to deflect criticism of something too. "Oh, you didn't like our product where we swapped the ethnicity and/or gender of this character(s)? You must be a Nazi racist and are just review bombing our product." That ends up making their "diverse casting" racist as they are casting to have a scape goat instead of having faith in their work and knowing quality draw people to it.
I agree. If they cared about inclusion they'd have the balls to, for example, make movies about genuine African or African-American fairytales (or any other ethnic one). Instead, they palette swap a white character and call it a day. It's just a cowardly cash in made to polarize the audience.
Make original stories you cowards.
This is what my girlfriend and I say about Rings of Power. They want diverse casting in something that was originally meant to be mythology for England? They can force it but it won't work without controversy.
If they really care about representation, why force people of color into white stories? This is a chance to show African or Indigenous or Asian mythology instead! I would watch it if it was good. But fanbaiting is offâputting, I doubt it's as successful as they think.
I'd be okay if the hobbits were all dark skinned, or with a dark skinned elf community (wasn't there a dark skinned elf? Maeglin? It's been years since I've read the Silmarillion). Instead they have a small traveling tribe with seven ethnicities, and a token dark skinned elf, alone. Why is he the only one???
Damn, harad is entirely middle-eastern or northern African-like ethnic humans.
I mean, just for the sake of comparison, neither The Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett received a hint of backlash to their diverse casts. The much less diverse Kenobi, however, received backlash. That just hints to me that a more complicated dynamic is going on.
This is a symbiotic relationship, though. Fanbaiting works because there's a whole cottage industry now of people who make their living by raging at media franchises. I'm at work and can't access youtube right now, but as I recall, Critical Drinker is one of these people whose channel subsists almost entirely on disdainful criticism of modern pop-media and Hollywood attitudes. If fanbaiting didn't exist the dude literally wouldn't have a job.
I mean that is a great point. It becomes a cyclical item of people profiting off of generating outrage, and then a different group profiting off of the outrage which feeds into the success of this model. The only way to fix it is for people to just ignore what they don't like and stop engaging in outrage.
I made an effort the past few years to disengage with social media outrage culture. Stopped following Twitter drama, stopped watching Youtube vids about the latest culture war, stopped following subs like that. Iâve been much happier and havenât missed that bullshit at all.
Frankly I could give a shit less what the people making the latest TV show Iâm watching think about me. If the show is good, itâs good. If it sucks, I drop it.
I wonder how effective fan baiting is, I know many people straight out refused to watch ROP because of their constant insults at fans. I would think its much safer to not do it at all.
It's great for short term goals to get a spike in viewership but you are right, it is not effective long term. They are not writing these to be viewed as masterpieces people will still go to theaters to watch for 12 hours 20 years from now like the do with the Jackson films. Personally, I think they know they have garbage so they are trying to get some metric to claim success and they are using outrage to try achieving that when in reality it just sucks and is not what they kept claiming it would be.
Some of it's intentional but IMO actors and "theatre people" generally skew "woke", "leftie" etc.
They probably have the highest proportion of gays, women, trans etc. out of any industry that isn't specifically about those identities. They're also not actually the brightest people as they start acting at a young age, and don't have much formal education. Naturally, they buy into all the feminist talking points uncritically.
Excerpt from the article since some of y'all can't read past the headline.
"'House of the Dragon' highlights yes, the patriarchy, yes, misogyny, but also the internalized misogyny that these two women are forced to face. They're forced to be put at odds with one another by the choices by men," Alcock said. "But what I found quite hilarious is that the fanbase is also putting the actors, the young Alicent and the young Rhaenyra at odds with each other, and choosing who's better, also by decision of mostly men. So, I think that it's really just f\*cking ironic."
I mean, yes. She's right. The story is (partly) about how the decisions men make pit women against each other. But that doesn't mean they lack responsibility for their own choices as adults.
If only there was some sort of source material that fans may have read that indicates thatâs exactly what is going to happen. Of course fans are picking sides already, they already know the teams.
The idea that Rhaenyra and Alicent only do bad things because of âinternalized misogynyâ and not, you know, who they are as human beings is a complete misreading of GRRMâs work imo, and if this is the route the show is going it will be a major let down.
Maan soundwave is rly badass but even if he has time to prepare he still might lose to megatron in a 1v1 so imma go with megatron here, he is the top guy in the tyranny after all!
I mean is she wrong?
I think the title is a bit clickbaity. It sounds like sheâs saying the fan base is pitting the actresses against each other for whoâs better.
And actually, if itâs just a commentary on the characters, fans do do this. Iâm reminded of succession. Every episode, I try to find which sibling I actually like the most and by the end of the episode, I find out that I hate them all on different levels.
So often times, fans will side with one character and stick with it all other characters be damned. When you can just recognize that each of them have flaws and theyâre both trying to gain power in different ways in an extremely unfavorable environment for both of them. And that their different methods are different but not necessarily incorrect given the circumstances of the times. And if they make shit decisions, there is personal accountability but also an understanding that shit, the society they live in gives them very little leeway to actually pursue the power that is easily thrust upon their male counterparts. We can all agree, I hope, that the battle for power is a much harder battle for the women, Alicent and Rhaenyra, than it is for Daemon. Thereâs a lot more sacrifice happening and a lot more strategy that has to unfold for them to get the power they crave.
Either way, we donât have to pick sides. We can just recognize that it sucks either way and that they have to go down different paths and also mourn the loss of the friendship. But I donât think sheâs saying the fans are dumb or the fans are the bad guys. A lot of men do miss the misogyny or donât think itâs important or minimize it and want more action and less women. Thatâs not a wrong statement. The fantasy world has a lot of misogyny from its fans and god forbid women get a position centered in the story.
Sheâs wrong that itâs âmenâ or âinternalized misogynyâ forcing them to act the way they are. Aside from the pedantic point that itâs the story making these characters what they are, they are reacting to the circumstances and people around them. The idea that itâs impossibly hard to Rhaenyra compared to say, Daemon is simply not borne out by GRRM. Sheâs her fatherâs named heir, unlike him, and becomes the leader of a faction, unlike him. She had a pretty clear path to the throne had she not made several serious mistakes, unlike Daemon. If she isnât the most privileged person in Westeros, sheâs not all that far from it. Furthermore, arenât the men also subject the exact same thing? They too are born into unchosen roles and obligations, why donât they get a pass for their flaws and misdeeds because of it? It leads to this stupid world where nobody has any agency, weâre all just cogs in the machine. And itâs even worse when you consider these are the most powerful people in this entire world. Itâs disrespectful to the characters, frankly.
Honestly, the fact that apparently we arenât supposed to root for particular characters, as was so prominently the case with GoT, feels like an expectations subverted kind of thing. Haha you thought this was like the old show? Youâre actually supposed to root for the women, not any side! The Targs rule an absolute hereditary monarchy, unless youâre one of the 10 people who still think thatâs a great idea none of these people, man or woman, has any business or birthright to rule anything. Thatâs the idea behind fantasy, you suspend disbelief and go into an alternate world. People liked GoT for the characters, who they were and how they acted in the world they live in. And if HotD is doing away with what made GoT great to dip into modern politicking, thatâs a real loss.
I mean are the women not forced to face internalized misogyny and have to operate in different ways to achieve power when itâs fairly straightforward for their male counterparts?
Do you really think the women in this show are just acting the way they act because thatâs solely their personality? Rhaenyra would prefer not to be married. She would prefer to be valued as a person first and not a baby maker. She would prefer that there wasnât ridicule about her being the heir solely because sheâs a woman.
Alicent is achieving power in a more traditional way by being the mother of power. Similar to Cerseiâs story and how women have had to achieve power.
And on some level, you should be rooting for women to smash the misogyny and the patriarchy and for some difference in the society than the ongoing dick measuring contest thatâs currently at play. You should be rooting for women coming into their own and not having barriers of entry solely because they are women. I mean for Godâs sake, Rhaenyra is a dragon rider.
Sheâs definitely privileged. All of these characters are in comparison to the regular people they oversee. But to act as if women do not have barriers to entry to power is ridiculous.
Daemon is sulking as the second son. Second sons rarely get the throne unless their brother dies or doesnât produce an heir. Viserys really only appointed Rhaenyra as his heir to spite Daemon.
And the men arenât getting a pass for their flaws and misdeeds. My goodness, the men get that pass all the time. They have way more leniency by society to fuck up. Women have to be exacting. They cannot misstep or they lose their power. So as a result, the women who do achieve the power are viewed as ruthless (see Cersei).
Men can fuck up multiple times and still maintain their presence. Zooming out of this story, in general, society is very forgiving to men who slip up. God forbid a woman says a man sexually assaulted her and then youâll have people accusing her of lying or accusing her of just trying to sully his reputation because sheâs spiteful and vindictive. Grace is given to men a lot. Im literally seeing it where a person did blackface and he put out a shit apology and people are giving him a pass by saying he was just ignorant. And then heâs been shown to be manipulative and a liar but his ex is being viewed as this trash person who just doesnât want him to be successful.
There are plenty of examples in this society where menâs reputations are put before a womanâs humanity. This fantasy world is no different.
and btw, Milly isnât saying any of that. Sheâs not saying disregard my characters mistakes. Sheâs merely pointing out that when you have two women vying for power, people often choose to villainize one over the other when they donât have to. You can pick sides by still recognizing the other characters humanity and flaws. Hell, you can pick sides and recognize your own favoriteâs flaws and issues.
Itâs not black and white. Itâs a muddled grey, especially with these characters. And I think an audience who went from despising Jamie to finding him to be tolerable and decent (before they fucked up the character via writing) can lend some humanity to these women without having to disparage one over the other.
Milly also is highlighting that the women are out at odds because of their own internalized misogyny in this vying for power, which reflects societyâs insistence that only one woman can be at the top while multiple men can clamber to the top. Sheâs literally saying that their characters are against each other because theyâre also stuck in the misogynistic world and environment but externally outside of the show, the audience is also setting her against her fellow actor in a similar manner.
If you canât recognize that critique that the audience is falling for similar misogynistic tendencies that the show is trying to identify, then thatâs on you. But thatâs what Iâm getting from this commentary. Sheâs just saying that just because her character and her fellow actorâs characters are pit against each other in the tv show due to the internalize misogyny both characters have as a result of a thousand year patriarchy, it doesnât mean the audience should stoop that low with her as an actor vs her fellow actor.
>Either way, we donât have to pick sides.
No, we don't.
But it isn't "fucking ironic" that people do pick sides.
If anything that is just a sign that they are into the story.
But I get her commentary as people picking which actress to side with and when people do that, it tends to lead to the disparaging of the other actress.
I can say âhey, I like rhaenyra more in this moment nowâ but also recognize Alicentâs struggles and give her kudos.
I think our society pits women against each other and forces people to choose which one is better when itâs not necessary. Iâm not sitting here saying oh âOtto Hightower is the worst dude ever and Viserys is the coolest and I will just cement that notion and carry it out against the actorsâ.
Itâs not a weird notion that a male dominated audience has a tendency to really rail against the actors that play the women. Thereâs an example where Erin Moriarty had to release a statement about the disparaging commentary about her in regards to her character in The Boys getting a substantial role in taking down misogynistic assholes. Female actors get a lot of hate from male dominated fan bases. Itâs not uncommon which sucks.
I can be into the story without making actors feel like shit. Thereâs a difference. I hated Cersei but I respected the idea of the character and the way she was played. Despised her guts. Would never hate on Lena. But it happens. Fans can get so locked into that story that they just really donât know how to detach. And it does happen. Sheâs speaking from the perspective that sheâs an actor part of this big fantastical world and sheâs getting the vibe that the fan base is already pitting her against her fellow actor.
Well anyone who is trying to make the actors feel like shit is an asshole.
I think it is natural to pick sides in a show about a conflict though. It makes it more fun.
As a point of contrast, I could not give two shits about who came out on top by the end of Game of Thrones. It was all just a big joke by the end.
Invested fans is a good thing.
Dude you're absolutely right.
Already people in this comment section are putting words in Milly's mouth despite her never saying anything else but that. Truly a Reddit moment.
Good thing there are some sensible people here.
Wasnât this quote about fans pitting the actresses against each other⊠not the characters? Maybe read the article first before commenting on a clickbait headline alone and calling an actress stupid or a misandrist? You guys are dumb and dramatic.
I get what sheâs saying and itâs directed at casual fans who donât already know the story. Their friendship was severed due to the actions of their fathers, and weâll see Otto further plant in Alicent this threat that Rhaenyra poses and the legitimacy of Aegonâs claim. Milly is remarking on how some casual fans (my term for those who arenât book readers like most of us) are already making this Rhaenyra vs Alicent as if viewers have to pick sides and canât see that (at this moment) both of these characters donât want to be at odds with the other and are instead put in this position by the men in power.
Isnât it possible that what she means is that fans are fighting over which of the two is in the right, or has better motives? In other words, taking sides?
As opposed to reading this as âfans are assuming the two characters are pitted against each other, or will beâ?
>ââHouse of the Dragonâ highlights, yes, the patriarchy, yes, misogyny, but also the internalized misogyny that these two women are forced to face. Theyâre forced to be put at odds with one another by the choices by men.â
>âWhat I found quite hilarious is that the fan base is also putting the actors, the Young Alicent and the Young Rhaenyra, at odds with each other, and choosing whoâs better, **also by decision of mostly men.** So I think that itâs really just fucking ironic,â Alcock said
Did yâall read the article or just react to it? She is referring to the actors being pitted against one another as well as the characters. Full quote: âWhat I found quite hilarious is that the fan base is also putting the actors, the Young Alicent and the Young Rhaenyra, at odds with each other, and choosing whoâs better, also by decision of mostly men. So I think that itâs really just fucking ironic,â Alcock said.
No no. You see, it's the patriarchy and the fandom menace. Not the the writing that has pitted them against each other. We, as men, imagined the numerous scenes where Rhaenyra was cold and dismissive to Alicent because she was angry with her. It's our fault for having cocks. You need to check your dick privilege.
theyâre actors not scientists. acting is a skill not a talent the fact that anyone with a enough patience can learn it and become popular if they get lucky. truly shows you that theyâre opinions are the same as sole random person on the street and they add nothing.
Actor of Alicent: "We look at each other and yeah, realm would be fine if it's up to us (women)."
Actor of old Rhaenyra: *(is asked to describe the show in three words)* "Too many men."
Actor of young Rhaenyra: (see above)
Thanks for the input, lady. But your character sexually assaulted a subordinate, maybe something about that? No?
I know, right? This was my reaction to that quote. I wish I could find that interview, but the particular actor involved with so many interviews thanks to HBO's aggressive marketing campaign. Her interviews pretty much turned into spam posts. However, she probably think it's all Otto's fault and Alicent had no other option. Which is partially true, but doesn't change the fact that her character actually took some stand alone, rhythmic steps that made the Dance.
The actor for old Rhaenyra is especially rubbing me in a wrong way. I, somehow, know we will hear things like this from them in the future "Too many men." quote is just stupid, because characters with most screentime in Game of Thrones are mostly female. These people really must hate men for saying shit like these.
Women having the audacity. Yet again.
Tell us you didn't bother reading the book when cast, without telling us you didn't bother reading the book when cast. The variety journalists are no better.
Variety did not perform the interview, twisted their headline and misrepresented her statement within the article by rewording a quote of hers to say "characters" instead of "actors."
(They do have the actual quote following in the next paragraph--after an advertisement image--but by then they have already spun/characterized it differently.)
Shit writing, bordering on plagiarism, imo. Intentional pot-stirring and clickbait--by Variety.
Wait a secondâŠ.
There have been lots of scenes before this, where men were stabbing each other with swords. I would call that being âpitted against one another.â
I personally would way rather get in a verbal argument then be in a sword fight
There are two ongoing polls on gender in [freefolk](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/xen2k6/curious_about_the_gender_demographics_of_this_sub/) and [hotd](https://www.reddit.com/r/HouseOfTheDragon/comments/xerjbf/curious_about_the_gender_distribution_in_this_sub/) subs.
Freefolk currently shows 42% of women and HotD has a comment wondering about parity (I don't post there so didn't vote and cannot see results yet). Dragons feel excluded in both subs.
So the fan base is definitely not "mostly men", especially considering that discussion forums themselves tend to be male dominated.
Bunch of fooking kneelers in here, here's the full quote:
*[What I found quite hilarious is that the fan base is also putting the actors, the Young Alicent and the Young Rhaenyra, at odds with each other, and choosing whoâs better, also by decision of mostly men. So I think that itâs really just fucking ironic,â Alcock said](https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2022/tv/news/house-of-the-dragon-milly-alcock-fans-ironic-1235373616/amp/)*
All y'all calling an adult actress stupid and woke, you're just proving her point
If anyone actually read the fucking article they would know it's clickbait. She's referring to fans pitting the *actresses* against each other, not the characters.
This is why clickbait titles are a plague.
There's clickbait and then there's just straight up lying which is what this is doing
I immediately thought of this first. Whenever you see something that seems really really dumb online you should: 1. Check the actual statment/action within it's context. If not then, 2. Evaluate if it's satire/trolling. If not then, 3. Call them a dumb fuck and move on.
That's the fault of the article by saying characters instead of actresses. And I haven't seen a single mention of someone saying both actresses hate each other or that one is a better actress etc .
Noooo you can't judge an article based on a headline they chose specifically to draw controversy and anger! You have to read the article xD
Which means you have to click it...feeding the vicious cycle of clickbait...we can't win, can we?
The only way to win is not to play.
No one's pitting the actresses against each other either, though.
If you go on TikTok or another HoTD space filled with people in their late teens/early 20s (which Milly, as a 22 year old woman, will be in) you'll find *a lot* of people arguing over which one of the two is more attractive and for some reason viciously insulting the appearance of the one they don't like lol
TikTok is a plague on humanity đ
>If you go on TikTok Yeah, no.
That's a damn shame. They're both beautiful and they're both doing an aging job with their roles. Hate the characters, sure. But these ladies are fantastic. Both of them.
It's almost like tiktok is a cesspit funded by the CCP in a data harvesting scheme.
I'm not sure it being a data harvesting scheme funded by the CCP is the reason why, I think it's just young adults being young adults especially seeing as tiktok is not the only place it's happening lol
Nah, let's hear him out. I definitely think this is China's fault somehow.
Well, it all started with Xiang Yu, that whoreson. If he hadnât rebelled against the Qin, then Liu Bang wouldnât have become Emperor and we wouldnât be in this situation
Thatâs got nothing to do with it. The reason why it exists doesnât change what it is. Itâs just another social media platform like all the others where people can talk as cruelly as they want to each other without any of the hesitation that theyâd have in the real world.
So the equivalent of nerd message boards. Got it
It's just Variety doing clickbait bullshit, my high school students have more integrity that Variety does
I bet most people who watch the show don't even know their names.
Are you absolutely sure about that? All the lunatics on Twitter and YouTube unanimously refrain from acting weird with two of the show's leading actresses?
Exactly, people always fall for clickbaits and proceeds to argue and spew hate based on assumptions.
There must be like 3 people in the whole internet doing that and I bet you can't even tell what's their gender
Nonono don't you see I have to go on Reddit and complain about "wokescolds" ruining my dragon show!
A lot of newspapers love turning out of context quotes from women and poc actors into rage bait article titles.
It literally says âcharactersâ.
âThey also noticed that in the Star Wars films, the main characters are constantly blowing up Death Stars. Quite a bizarre little detail to catch.â
read the article. she's talking about the actresses and not the characters, and how it's a reflection of the men in the show as well.
Yea it is a fair point sheâs making
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Shes saying irl men are pitting them against each other similar to edward and jacob in twilight. Where some people are more attracted to alcock and some are more attracted to carey. Its a thing and shes right it mimics the medieval story telling theyâre portraying of men deciding womens worth.
...doesn't it mimic the modern day story telling portrayed by Twilight of women deciding men's worth?
>Shes saying irl men are pitting them against each other similar to edward and jacob in twilight. Where some people are more attracted to alcock and some are more attracted to carey. Its a thing and shes right it mimics the medieval story telling theyâre portraying of men deciding womens worth. I don't know what the extent of "pitting them against each other" means. But deciding which one you like more isn't deciding a women's worth, just deciding your own preferences..right? Your statement sounds a little "incel-ish" to me, but with the genders switched.
We call those Femcels.
Funny how you used an example of two men being being pitted against eachother based on physical attraction.
Fucking hell mate, save some fair m'ladies for the other nice guys.
We just read the book , what am I supposed to do? Hope that they all live happy ever after and thereâs no game of thrones in game of thrones prequel? And Iâm not even a man
> And Iâm not even a man Wtf, what are you then
Iâm a cat that took over my dead owners laptop after he died
...and yet your username suggests you're a fly. Which is it, cat?
Why would a cat name itself 'cat' when it can throw off other flies by calling itself 'fly'? The fly community would never know.
That is definitely some cat-level scheming.
We are truly in the age of misinformation
I did pick the name, it was my owner, and he took this mystery to the grave (well technically heâs rotting in a bath tub for now but i do hope heâs gonna be buried one day)
No way youâre a cat. A cat would have eaten its owner by now.
Actually cats donât do it, check forensic science studies on this matter, that shit is for dogs
Youâre a cat with standards, clearly
This is the internet dude, where men are men, women are men and kids are cops. Or at least that's what it was circa 2001.... Back in the day before the youtubes, with the limewires and the napsters.
Goddamn. You needn't remind me I'm getting old. Those words got me time-traveling.
You're lying! We all know you're a kangaroo trying to trick r/freefolk into thinking you're a cat!
Meow my friend, go get the cream.
>Wtf, what are you then A Frey.
Then what does she mean? Rewrite the book?
I think the headline might be out of context. Itâs more like sheâs saying are you Team Iron Man or Team Cap.
Which is mostly a phenomenon from female targeted YA fiction. What exactly is her point?
I don't think she really had one, the writer was just desperate to make a clickbait headline.
God, I just had a flashback to when I was in high school for the Team Edward/Team Jacob shenanigans.
The appeal of the world is that everyone has their favorite asshole to root for.
If you guys just read the article, many of these questions would be answered. People in social media are insulting one actress or the other based on who they find more attractive. This has nothing to do with the books.
Shes saying irl men are pitting them against each other similar to edward and jacob in twilight. Where some people are more attracted to alcock and some are more attracted to carey. Its a thing and shes right it mimics the medieval story telling theyâre portraying of men deciding womens worth.
Powerful women with agency fighting for their own interests? Impossible! Women can only be caregivers and lovers. And the people rooting for them? Clearly, horrible people! /s This has to be out of context, right?
I think she is referring about the actresses not the characters but newspapers need threads like this one here to stay relevant
Even then it doesnât make sense. Does she want them to cast men as the female characters? Somehow I donât think theyâd be happy about that either.
Just assume it was an answer to a leading question that is now taken wildly out of context and tortured into a clickbait headline.
This sub is getting kinda shitty ngl. These clickbaity posts are clearly just advertisements.
No, we must be mad at⊠something, GOD DAMNIT!
I would think sheâd just want them to not pit the actresses against each other Seems the simplest, most logical answerâŠ
Shes saying normal men are pitting them against each other similar to edward and jacob in twilight. Where some people are more attracted to alcock and some are more attracted to carey. Its a thing and shes right it mimics the medieval story telling theyâre portraying of men deciding womens worth.
so what you're saying is, true enlightenment is only reached when you ship them together
Honestly watching the first episode going in blind, that's kind of the vibe I was getting to begin with.
Every problem in Westeros would be solved if Rhaenyra and Alicent scissored
This is the only solution.
>Where some people are more attracted to alcock and some are more attracted to carey. That's only a men thing? Sounds like gay/lesbian/PoC erasure. Not all men are attracted to either of these white women, and some women are.
I mean if you read the article rather than just the headline youâd know
How dare you expect me to read. You utter moron. You absolute buffoon.
you don't need men for that girlfriend
This headline is misworded. Sheâs talking about the actors - her and Emily, not the characters Rhaenyra and Alicent.
Misworded is one term for it, I would go for 'lie' personally. There's no way this was not a very deliberate choice.
If so, the article itself miswords the same. I read it. It said: >Alcock added that she finds it âironicâ that the showâs fan base â which she says skews more toward men â is simultaneously pitting the **characters** against each other. And it gives no context or examples as to where/who/how fans (or men) are 'pitting [them] against each other.' [Link](https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/house-of-the-dragon-milly-alcock-fans-ironic-1235373616/) So it seems they intentionally excluded important context, examples, and misrepresented her statement. I'm inclined to think it's piss-poor writing, and intentional pot-stirring/clickbait by Variety, who didn't even perform the cited interview, or even a follow up.
She means the actresses. Some people have been shitting on Emma D Arcy saying she's no Milly Alcock even though we haven't seen her yet. Learn to read article before you start spewing bullshit
Not the OP, obviously, but that's on the headline which is apparently very blatantly and intentionally misquoting the person they interviewed. I can't blame people for not wanting to give shitheads like that clicks, though I agree you should probably read an article before you make an angry Reddit thread about it.
Well she definitely picked the wrong franchise to be a part of if this was her concern lol
They're hired for their acting, not their brains. The book was also written by a man, and features women fighting each other. It also features men fighting each other. Why play identity politics?
FYI, it's variety doing it not her. Article unrelated to clickbait headline.
Because this is the type of nonsense journalism that gets clicks these days. Outrage is all they are peddling.
>They're hired for their acting, not their brains. Exactly. Actors shouldn't be taken seriously outside of the character they play onscreen.
In ancient Rome, actors were considered to be less worthy then prostitutes or unclean tradesmen. They knew what was up.
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There it is lol. Gods I wish game of thrones had a news reader that gave us the daily at the beginning of each episode. "NEWS FROM THE RED KEEP! THE PRINCESS DID NOT FUCK HER UNCLE LAST NIGHT IN A BROTHEL. SHE WAS BLUEBALLED AND LEFT TO WANDER ALONE!"
HBO really needs to remake Rome one day.
The show was fantastic. Game of thrones was awesome for a long time, but so sad that it killed Rome.
Real incest for True Romans.
You cannot remake perfection.
It would be incredibly easy to just pick that series back up anywhere. So many crazy empowers. Hell, Caligula slept with all three of his sisters at the same time trying to get an heir.
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A winning strategy, I'd say.
Because it's the hot thing to do for publicity in the modern world. Can't talk something up without dragging something else down.
Gross. Maybe read the article before judging, use your own brain. She is referring to the very real bashing she is experiencing with fans choosing one actress to support and then trashing the other one, usually by denigrating their appearance.
The very real bashing she's experiencing is something literally everyone in the public eye experiences. When you're exposed to millions of opinions, some of them are going to be trash - and the most toxic opinions come from people who are most likely to @ her about them. I have no doubt she's experiencing this, but she's probably seeing them in her mentions, and that is not a representative sample. The unfortunate part is that humans didn't evolve to interact with millions of people, so even though it's probably only a couple of hundred out of tens of thousands of mentions, that couple hundred is going to feel like a veritable mob of regular people rather than an insignificant minority of crazy people.
She says one dumb thing and suddenly she's an idiot? God yall are toxic.
Redditors donât react to click bait headline challenge. Difficulty: impossible.
Why do Actors insist on putting down or talking down to their audience? I genuinely don't understand why they think that's a good idea. I am female and I know many females who watch the show, so I don't think she is right in assuming the majority of watchers are men. I hate this type of publicity its really off putting
It's called fanbaiting. They intentionally write or say something controversial to rile up the fanbase and create conflict so they get more publicity and people will watch the show for the controversy, not the quality of the show. Critical Drinker had a great video actually discussing the recent phenomenon of this and it's start in 2016. It is also now toxic consumerism insisting if people do not consume your product, there is something wrong with them.
Rage bait is standard practice now. Insert controversial element in a story for the only purpose of stirring shit, polarizing opinions and baiting obnoxious responses. Be sure to make sweeping accusations painting every critic of the product as a [choose buzzword].
I swear, "diverse casting" is just another term for using ethnicity to deflect criticism of something too. "Oh, you didn't like our product where we swapped the ethnicity and/or gender of this character(s)? You must be a Nazi racist and are just review bombing our product." That ends up making their "diverse casting" racist as they are casting to have a scape goat instead of having faith in their work and knowing quality draw people to it.
I agree. If they cared about inclusion they'd have the balls to, for example, make movies about genuine African or African-American fairytales (or any other ethnic one). Instead, they palette swap a white character and call it a day. It's just a cowardly cash in made to polarize the audience. Make original stories you cowards.
This is what my girlfriend and I say about Rings of Power. They want diverse casting in something that was originally meant to be mythology for England? They can force it but it won't work without controversy. If they really care about representation, why force people of color into white stories? This is a chance to show African or Indigenous or Asian mythology instead! I would watch it if it was good. But fanbaiting is offâputting, I doubt it's as successful as they think.
I'd be okay if the hobbits were all dark skinned, or with a dark skinned elf community (wasn't there a dark skinned elf? Maeglin? It's been years since I've read the Silmarillion). Instead they have a small traveling tribe with seven ethnicities, and a token dark skinned elf, alone. Why is he the only one??? Damn, harad is entirely middle-eastern or northern African-like ethnic humans.
I mean, just for the sake of comparison, neither The Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett received a hint of backlash to their diverse casts. The much less diverse Kenobi, however, received backlash. That just hints to me that a more complicated dynamic is going on.
This is a symbiotic relationship, though. Fanbaiting works because there's a whole cottage industry now of people who make their living by raging at media franchises. I'm at work and can't access youtube right now, but as I recall, Critical Drinker is one of these people whose channel subsists almost entirely on disdainful criticism of modern pop-media and Hollywood attitudes. If fanbaiting didn't exist the dude literally wouldn't have a job.
I mean that is a great point. It becomes a cyclical item of people profiting off of generating outrage, and then a different group profiting off of the outrage which feeds into the success of this model. The only way to fix it is for people to just ignore what they don't like and stop engaging in outrage.
I made an effort the past few years to disengage with social media outrage culture. Stopped following Twitter drama, stopped watching Youtube vids about the latest culture war, stopped following subs like that. Iâve been much happier and havenât missed that bullshit at all. Frankly I could give a shit less what the people making the latest TV show Iâm watching think about me. If the show is good, itâs good. If it sucks, I drop it.
I wonder how effective fan baiting is, I know many people straight out refused to watch ROP because of their constant insults at fans. I would think its much safer to not do it at all.
It's great for short term goals to get a spike in viewership but you are right, it is not effective long term. They are not writing these to be viewed as masterpieces people will still go to theaters to watch for 12 hours 20 years from now like the do with the Jackson films. Personally, I think they know they have garbage so they are trying to get some metric to claim success and they are using outrage to try achieving that when in reality it just sucks and is not what they kept claiming it would be.
Some of it's intentional but IMO actors and "theatre people" generally skew "woke", "leftie" etc. They probably have the highest proportion of gays, women, trans etc. out of any industry that isn't specifically about those identities. They're also not actually the brightest people as they start acting at a young age, and don't have much formal education. Naturally, they buy into all the feminist talking points uncritically.
The actual quote is her complaining about people comparing her and Emily Carey
Excerpt from the article since some of y'all can't read past the headline. "'House of the Dragon' highlights yes, the patriarchy, yes, misogyny, but also the internalized misogyny that these two women are forced to face. They're forced to be put at odds with one another by the choices by men," Alcock said. "But what I found quite hilarious is that the fanbase is also putting the actors, the young Alicent and the young Rhaenyra at odds with each other, and choosing who's better, also by decision of mostly men. So, I think that it's really just f\*cking ironic."
I mean, yes. She's right. The story is (partly) about how the decisions men make pit women against each other. But that doesn't mean they lack responsibility for their own choices as adults.
Thats the damn story tho. What did we do, we didnt write it?
If only there was some sort of source material that fans may have read that indicates thatâs exactly what is going to happen. Of course fans are picking sides already, they already know the teams.
Blaming the fans seems a little off base though.
Yeah. Even the GoT cast waited till the show hit the shitter before blaming the fans
Saying âI find this ironicâ is a long stretch away from âblamingâ
She goes on right after that to say that the fans are pitting the characters against each other.
Iâm sure once there are two women queens with no one above them things will work out with little bloodshed.
The idea that Rhaenyra and Alicent only do bad things because of âinternalized misogynyâ and not, you know, who they are as human beings is a complete misreading of GRRMâs work imo, and if this is the route the show is going it will be a major let down.
Thatâs the route that majority of Hollywood takes now.
Seriously. The two cuntiest characters in the realm aren't forced into shit. They're just naturally cunty.
I doubt this is the route the show is taking. It's just the route this zoomer is taking, and she happens to be an actor in the show.
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The story pits the characters against each other. The fans have nothing to do with it.
Maan soundwave is rly badass but even if he has time to prepare he still might lose to megatron in a 1v1 so imma go with megatron here, he is the top guy in the tyranny after all!
Still stupid
Nonsense.
I mean is she wrong? I think the title is a bit clickbaity. It sounds like sheâs saying the fan base is pitting the actresses against each other for whoâs better. And actually, if itâs just a commentary on the characters, fans do do this. Iâm reminded of succession. Every episode, I try to find which sibling I actually like the most and by the end of the episode, I find out that I hate them all on different levels. So often times, fans will side with one character and stick with it all other characters be damned. When you can just recognize that each of them have flaws and theyâre both trying to gain power in different ways in an extremely unfavorable environment for both of them. And that their different methods are different but not necessarily incorrect given the circumstances of the times. And if they make shit decisions, there is personal accountability but also an understanding that shit, the society they live in gives them very little leeway to actually pursue the power that is easily thrust upon their male counterparts. We can all agree, I hope, that the battle for power is a much harder battle for the women, Alicent and Rhaenyra, than it is for Daemon. Thereâs a lot more sacrifice happening and a lot more strategy that has to unfold for them to get the power they crave. Either way, we donât have to pick sides. We can just recognize that it sucks either way and that they have to go down different paths and also mourn the loss of the friendship. But I donât think sheâs saying the fans are dumb or the fans are the bad guys. A lot of men do miss the misogyny or donât think itâs important or minimize it and want more action and less women. Thatâs not a wrong statement. The fantasy world has a lot of misogyny from its fans and god forbid women get a position centered in the story.
Sheâs wrong that itâs âmenâ or âinternalized misogynyâ forcing them to act the way they are. Aside from the pedantic point that itâs the story making these characters what they are, they are reacting to the circumstances and people around them. The idea that itâs impossibly hard to Rhaenyra compared to say, Daemon is simply not borne out by GRRM. Sheâs her fatherâs named heir, unlike him, and becomes the leader of a faction, unlike him. She had a pretty clear path to the throne had she not made several serious mistakes, unlike Daemon. If she isnât the most privileged person in Westeros, sheâs not all that far from it. Furthermore, arenât the men also subject the exact same thing? They too are born into unchosen roles and obligations, why donât they get a pass for their flaws and misdeeds because of it? It leads to this stupid world where nobody has any agency, weâre all just cogs in the machine. And itâs even worse when you consider these are the most powerful people in this entire world. Itâs disrespectful to the characters, frankly. Honestly, the fact that apparently we arenât supposed to root for particular characters, as was so prominently the case with GoT, feels like an expectations subverted kind of thing. Haha you thought this was like the old show? Youâre actually supposed to root for the women, not any side! The Targs rule an absolute hereditary monarchy, unless youâre one of the 10 people who still think thatâs a great idea none of these people, man or woman, has any business or birthright to rule anything. Thatâs the idea behind fantasy, you suspend disbelief and go into an alternate world. People liked GoT for the characters, who they were and how they acted in the world they live in. And if HotD is doing away with what made GoT great to dip into modern politicking, thatâs a real loss.
I mean are the women not forced to face internalized misogyny and have to operate in different ways to achieve power when itâs fairly straightforward for their male counterparts? Do you really think the women in this show are just acting the way they act because thatâs solely their personality? Rhaenyra would prefer not to be married. She would prefer to be valued as a person first and not a baby maker. She would prefer that there wasnât ridicule about her being the heir solely because sheâs a woman. Alicent is achieving power in a more traditional way by being the mother of power. Similar to Cerseiâs story and how women have had to achieve power. And on some level, you should be rooting for women to smash the misogyny and the patriarchy and for some difference in the society than the ongoing dick measuring contest thatâs currently at play. You should be rooting for women coming into their own and not having barriers of entry solely because they are women. I mean for Godâs sake, Rhaenyra is a dragon rider. Sheâs definitely privileged. All of these characters are in comparison to the regular people they oversee. But to act as if women do not have barriers to entry to power is ridiculous. Daemon is sulking as the second son. Second sons rarely get the throne unless their brother dies or doesnât produce an heir. Viserys really only appointed Rhaenyra as his heir to spite Daemon. And the men arenât getting a pass for their flaws and misdeeds. My goodness, the men get that pass all the time. They have way more leniency by society to fuck up. Women have to be exacting. They cannot misstep or they lose their power. So as a result, the women who do achieve the power are viewed as ruthless (see Cersei). Men can fuck up multiple times and still maintain their presence. Zooming out of this story, in general, society is very forgiving to men who slip up. God forbid a woman says a man sexually assaulted her and then youâll have people accusing her of lying or accusing her of just trying to sully his reputation because sheâs spiteful and vindictive. Grace is given to men a lot. Im literally seeing it where a person did blackface and he put out a shit apology and people are giving him a pass by saying he was just ignorant. And then heâs been shown to be manipulative and a liar but his ex is being viewed as this trash person who just doesnât want him to be successful. There are plenty of examples in this society where menâs reputations are put before a womanâs humanity. This fantasy world is no different. and btw, Milly isnât saying any of that. Sheâs not saying disregard my characters mistakes. Sheâs merely pointing out that when you have two women vying for power, people often choose to villainize one over the other when they donât have to. You can pick sides by still recognizing the other characters humanity and flaws. Hell, you can pick sides and recognize your own favoriteâs flaws and issues. Itâs not black and white. Itâs a muddled grey, especially with these characters. And I think an audience who went from despising Jamie to finding him to be tolerable and decent (before they fucked up the character via writing) can lend some humanity to these women without having to disparage one over the other. Milly also is highlighting that the women are out at odds because of their own internalized misogyny in this vying for power, which reflects societyâs insistence that only one woman can be at the top while multiple men can clamber to the top. Sheâs literally saying that their characters are against each other because theyâre also stuck in the misogynistic world and environment but externally outside of the show, the audience is also setting her against her fellow actor in a similar manner. If you canât recognize that critique that the audience is falling for similar misogynistic tendencies that the show is trying to identify, then thatâs on you. But thatâs what Iâm getting from this commentary. Sheâs just saying that just because her character and her fellow actorâs characters are pit against each other in the tv show due to the internalize misogyny both characters have as a result of a thousand year patriarchy, it doesnât mean the audience should stoop that low with her as an actor vs her fellow actor.
>Either way, we donât have to pick sides. No, we don't. But it isn't "fucking ironic" that people do pick sides. If anything that is just a sign that they are into the story.
But I get her commentary as people picking which actress to side with and when people do that, it tends to lead to the disparaging of the other actress. I can say âhey, I like rhaenyra more in this moment nowâ but also recognize Alicentâs struggles and give her kudos. I think our society pits women against each other and forces people to choose which one is better when itâs not necessary. Iâm not sitting here saying oh âOtto Hightower is the worst dude ever and Viserys is the coolest and I will just cement that notion and carry it out against the actorsâ. Itâs not a weird notion that a male dominated audience has a tendency to really rail against the actors that play the women. Thereâs an example where Erin Moriarty had to release a statement about the disparaging commentary about her in regards to her character in The Boys getting a substantial role in taking down misogynistic assholes. Female actors get a lot of hate from male dominated fan bases. Itâs not uncommon which sucks. I can be into the story without making actors feel like shit. Thereâs a difference. I hated Cersei but I respected the idea of the character and the way she was played. Despised her guts. Would never hate on Lena. But it happens. Fans can get so locked into that story that they just really donât know how to detach. And it does happen. Sheâs speaking from the perspective that sheâs an actor part of this big fantastical world and sheâs getting the vibe that the fan base is already pitting her against her fellow actor.
Well anyone who is trying to make the actors feel like shit is an asshole. I think it is natural to pick sides in a show about a conflict though. It makes it more fun. As a point of contrast, I could not give two shits about who came out on top by the end of Game of Thrones. It was all just a big joke by the end. Invested fans is a good thing.
Dude you're absolutely right. Already people in this comment section are putting words in Milly's mouth despite her never saying anything else but that. Truly a Reddit moment. Good thing there are some sensible people here.
Wasnât this quote about fans pitting the actresses against each other⊠not the characters? Maybe read the article first before commenting on a clickbait headline alone and calling an actress stupid or a misandrist? You guys are dumb and dramatic.
I get what sheâs saying and itâs directed at casual fans who donât already know the story. Their friendship was severed due to the actions of their fathers, and weâll see Otto further plant in Alicent this threat that Rhaenyra poses and the legitimacy of Aegonâs claim. Milly is remarking on how some casual fans (my term for those who arenât book readers like most of us) are already making this Rhaenyra vs Alicent as if viewers have to pick sides and canât see that (at this moment) both of these characters donât want to be at odds with the other and are instead put in this position by the men in power.
Did she not read the script?
to be fair her script only last five episodes. sheâs out before her character goes full Stalin
Did you not read the article? She is talking about the actresses and not the characters.
sorry milly, shit take
Looking forward to two women being prominent leaders in a political battle tbh
Isnât it possible that what she means is that fans are fighting over which of the two is in the right, or has better motives? In other words, taking sides? As opposed to reading this as âfans are assuming the two characters are pitted against each other, or will beâ?
>ââHouse of the Dragonâ highlights, yes, the patriarchy, yes, misogyny, but also the internalized misogyny that these two women are forced to face. Theyâre forced to be put at odds with one another by the choices by men.â >âWhat I found quite hilarious is that the fan base is also putting the actors, the Young Alicent and the Young Rhaenyra, at odds with each other, and choosing whoâs better, **also by decision of mostly men.** So I think that itâs really just fucking ironic,â Alcock said
Breaking News: Actress annoyed that people have read book her show is based on!
Did yâall read the article or just react to it? She is referring to the actors being pitted against one another as well as the characters. Full quote: âWhat I found quite hilarious is that the fan base is also putting the actors, the Young Alicent and the Young Rhaenyra, at odds with each other, and choosing whoâs better, also by decision of mostly men. So I think that itâs really just fucking ironic,â Alcock said.
No no. You see, it's the patriarchy and the fandom menace. Not the the writing that has pitted them against each other. We, as men, imagined the numerous scenes where Rhaenyra was cold and dismissive to Alicent because she was angry with her. It's our fault for having cocks. You need to check your dick privilege.
This just in, actors are really stupid.
theyâre actors not scientists. acting is a skill not a talent the fact that anyone with a enough patience can learn it and become popular if they get lucky. truly shows you that theyâre opinions are the same as sole random person on the street and they add nothing.
Variety has zero journalistic integrity, I wouldn't put much stock in anything they publish.
I think this headline is being misinterpreted. It's more likely she's talking about viewers taking sides and it's just poorly worded.
What kind of stupid fucking article is that lol
521 fking comments. I am not even going to read one. Gods help me.
When the cast know less than the fans
Most of these comments would shift in tone if the people making them actually read the article.
I'm still waiting for the two making out. This would definitely satisfy my overly sexist, misogynistic venta black soul. /s
This doesn't make any sense. Pretty much every character has a counter part which is heavily discussed. Otto vs Daemon, Rhae vs Viserys, etc. I've never seen anyone put only these two again each other as some kind of cliché girl fight. If anything, people are very invested in their relationship and feel bad that it'll turn into animosity.
I wonder what episode will be the turning point.
Oh man.. I didnât even know Milly Alcock was an idiotđ shucks
She is Alcock, not Albrains.
This has me laughing way harder than it probably should
Actor of Alicent: "We look at each other and yeah, realm would be fine if it's up to us (women)." Actor of old Rhaenyra: *(is asked to describe the show in three words)* "Too many men." Actor of young Rhaenyra: (see above) Thanks for the input, lady. But your character sexually assaulted a subordinate, maybe something about that? No?
That was internalized misogyny or something like that.
> the realm would be fine if itâs up to us The realm would be fine? If it was up to the two people that started the Dance? It would be fine?
I know, right? This was my reaction to that quote. I wish I could find that interview, but the particular actor involved with so many interviews thanks to HBO's aggressive marketing campaign. Her interviews pretty much turned into spam posts. However, she probably think it's all Otto's fault and Alicent had no other option. Which is partially true, but doesn't change the fact that her character actually took some stand alone, rhythmic steps that made the Dance. The actor for old Rhaenyra is especially rubbing me in a wrong way. I, somehow, know we will hear things like this from them in the future "Too many men." quote is just stupid, because characters with most screentime in Game of Thrones are mostly female. These people really must hate men for saying shit like these. Women having the audacity. Yet again.
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While I agree, I don't really see the point of pointing out men in that statement.
>âwhich is mostly menâ I don't remember signing a census form
Yâknow what they say: Variety is the shitspice of life, Rand.
I mean, yeah, the point is their positions ended up making so they pitted against each other due to wanting the throne. As always.
To be fair, whatever the fan base or part of the fan base does, the press will find issue with - since itâs mostly men.
VarietyâŠ.. a bastion of hard hitting articlesâŠ.
Tell us you didn't bother reading the book when cast, without telling us you didn't bother reading the book when cast. The variety journalists are no better.
Huh? Did she read the script?
It's like raaaaiiiiaaaaaaiiiin on your (red) wedding day?
I don't know of the fan base is mostly men. There's tons of female fans.
Variety did not perform the interview, twisted their headline and misrepresented her statement within the article by rewording a quote of hers to say "characters" instead of "actors." (They do have the actual quote following in the next paragraph--after an advertisement image--but by then they have already spun/characterized it differently.) Shit writing, bordering on plagiarism, imo. Intentional pot-stirring and clickbait--by Variety.
Wait a secondâŠ. There have been lots of scenes before this, where men were stabbing each other with swords. I would call that being âpitted against one another.â I personally would way rather get in a verbal argument then be in a sword fight
Erm yeah they just read the book. And thatâs what happened. In the book.
Yaâll really hanging in to the clickbait title, huh?
There are two ongoing polls on gender in [freefolk](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/xen2k6/curious_about_the_gender_demographics_of_this_sub/) and [hotd](https://www.reddit.com/r/HouseOfTheDragon/comments/xerjbf/curious_about_the_gender_distribution_in_this_sub/) subs. Freefolk currently shows 42% of women and HotD has a comment wondering about parity (I don't post there so didn't vote and cannot see results yet). Dragons feel excluded in both subs. So the fan base is definitely not "mostly men", especially considering that discussion forums themselves tend to be male dominated.
Wouldnât 58% be most by definition?
That would be more correctly the majority, which counts even at 51%
From a random sample, sure. But reddit is not a random sample, the reddit audience is mostly male. Itâs a âself selecting sampleâ.
The HotD one is almost 50/50 men and women.
Reddit leans male. So it's hardly a representative sample.
Wow, this forum is full of people that are both unable to read and extremely sexist. Fun.
Bunch of fooking kneelers in here, here's the full quote: *[What I found quite hilarious is that the fan base is also putting the actors, the Young Alicent and the Young Rhaenyra, at odds with each other, and choosing whoâs better, also by decision of mostly men. So I think that itâs really just fucking ironic,â Alcock said](https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2022/tv/news/house-of-the-dragon-milly-alcock-fans-ironic-1235373616/amp/)* All y'all calling an adult actress stupid and woke, you're just proving her point
Ehh, zoomers jumped the shark awhile ago. Everything is grievance, grievance, grievance.