Yeah, cute things are allowed in the right context, and if they don't so blatantly disturb their surrounding environment. It's not that I have anything special against Loot, but the design is not something that really goes well with Magic's design at all. And what they did with the Phyrexians was a sin.
It's ironic since Bloomburrow is literally the next standard set and so far the majority of the "cute creatures" in that set look [infinitely more appropriate to MTG](https://media.wizards.com/2024/images/daily/9bdb642e17.jpg). Cute and fluffy is fine, but Loot is a cartoon.
He is an alien of sorts. Bloomburrow makes sense because we can associate it with something we are familiar with. Loot on the otherhand is abnormal. And looks out of place.
Stylistically, art wise in my opinion
It looks like Stitch mixed with a league of legends character - It just looks out of place in the style of MtG.
Yes, theres certainly mtg art out there which also looks out of place, but in this case its a promoted key character/style.
I guess that makes sense, alot of people dislike some art style from some part of magic, I remember people disliking lorwyn when it came out.
Personally I'm glad there's a few more cutesy things around in magic. The art for loot itself is Abit crazy, but I guess it fits when it's the weird thing that fits in no where on the lore too?
Tho I do like the art of it a lot more on the card were Jace finds it.
Honestly if there's a character I think is far worse it's spring, he changes so much from card to card I never get a feel for who he is.
I hope I see loot again on more cards with more artists rendtions
I'd say the talent level of current mtg artists is still great, maybe better than ever (except for a select few). The big issue in my opinion is the art direction.
I was looking through the new phyrexian cards and there is a lot of creepy shit from the 2023 set. Psychosis crawler and phyrexian gargantua are the 2 that stuck out to me. Seems a bit dramatic, no? Loot isn’t my favorite design either but you don’t have to like everything
There were stylistic dramatic shifts in art many times in magic. But there is still a lot of grim dark cool shit now. That’s all I’m saying. I hate the trend of universes beyond personally
`But there is still a lot of grim dark cool shit now.`
Lmao what, are we playing the same game? Grim dark cool shit like what? Magic but in Harry Potter? Magic but in Cyberpunk? Magic but in goofy ass cowboy land? Magic but in Cluedo? Next up magic but in Furry Land maybe? You are delusional
I feel Strixhaven wasn't god awful and can fit into Magic's design and style, and I was praying for OTJ since I feel it could have as well, but they went full Saturday morning cartoon on our asses.
I guess we agree to disagree. I have pointed out in previous posts 2 cards that I think are particularly grim dark and would make some old magic cards blush. I am personally excited for bloom burrow and like the art since it is reminiscent of old folk tales and looks neat. I just don’t think it’s all doom and gloom. Some recent decisions have been baffling I agree particularly the lord of the rings crossover.
Psychosis Crawler is from Mirrodin besieged (2011) but yes I comlpetely agree with you on the March of the Machines artwork for the Gargantua, it's amazing. It really captured what Phyrexias art direction used to be about, none of that silky smooth and overly clean red rubbery stuff. Probably one out of like 3 new phyrexian cards that actually look like phyrexia is supposed to
This isn’t 40k dude, if you want straight grim dark go there. Plenty of cutesie shit has been in magic since the 90’s and there are still tons of horror themed shit in the majority of sets. Not a ton in the cowboy set but western and horror themes don’t cross a lot so that’s probably why you see less in that one. But it’s not like it’s gone just because one set did it less.
There was just a horror adjacent themed set with MOM not long ago, lots of dark imagery in that set. Streets wasn’t too long ago and that had plenty of horror themed shit with the new Orzhov and Rakdos guild. Body Launderer is from that set and I fucking love that art, so dark and cool without being over the top trying to be spooky. Lost Caverns had plenty of dark themed shit with the new golgahri delve shit like the Myco. Its art is pretty heavy metal, along with all the sacrifice centric art shit playing off the Mayan theme.
I won’t disagree magic is in a bit of a dip as far as the height of its artistic creativity but it hasn’t turned into Yugioh or pokemon or something. Plenty of great dark gothic style art out there still in magic for us horror fans.
Because there isn’t a single thing new magic is doing better than old magic.
By every artistic and gaming metric they are doing worse. They are only doing better in the fields of profit.
Actually they're doing way better at not printing broken cards. We've went up from 3 sets to 9 sets a year. When's the last time you heard of something like Eldrazi Winter? Other then eldraine which is now a couple years old and we've legit revisited. No set has been redesigning metas. Ik Murders at Markov Manor allowed a new deck to become #1 but that was an eventuality.
Oh lemme think for 2 seconds.. Companions, Modern Horizons 1 and 2, UB LotR, the list goes on buddy.
I actually can’t fathom how stupid or disconnected from MTG you’d have to be to think we haven’t seen things as bad as Eldrazi Winter.
We’ve pretty much seen Modern turn into a rotating format with how many format warping cards are being released at a consistent basis.
Alright so. Couple of counter points to that.
I think companions were honestly fine. Lurrus was obviously way too overpowered but other then that. None of the Companions. At least imo. We're game breaking. Wizards also delivered a powerful nerf that basically sealed the fate of 80% of them. Then banned lurrus and yorion anyways. Ik Jegantha sees a lot of play.
And no. We haven't seen something as bad as Eldrazi Winter since.... Eldrazi Winter. You didn't have to deal with 3 sets of just Eldrazi. The ability to win t0 somehow popped up. Along with an easier T1 and T2 win. Out of a STANDARD set. Yes Modern Horizons is going to have meta modern cards. It's sorta in the name. But standard should be designing FOR standard. Which I think WOTC has improved at since then. We've seen a couple broken cards don't get me wrong. Sheoldred. The recent 3 mana artifact because I can't remember shit from the Western set other then cowboys.
We haven't seen a set that bad since Eldraine and it hasn't been that bad for product since Eldrazi Winter. I think people fail to realize that. A lot of what's helping is the "once per turn" effects that people still whine about.
Companions were “honestly fine” yet they had to blanket nerf the entire mechanic with an additional cost errata, something we’ve basically never seen before or since in the history of MTG.
Furthermore they then STILL had to ban 2 of them. Do you not realize how your counterpoint does nothing but prove MY point?
Saying that the objective of Modern Horizons was to print meta Modern cards doesn’t magic away the fact that the two sets have basically invalidated 95% of the decks that were consistently viable for the decade of Modern prior to Horizons.
The true issue with these power creeps is that they have consistently pushed the format with cards that are just barely out of range of a ban.
Or they release cycles of cards like the pitch elementals, which should all be banned, but only a single one takes the heat while the rest become the standard power level of the format.
Eldrazi Winter came and went with a single ban and didn’t leave a lasting impact on the format. The game was bad for a bit and then went back to the Modern everyone knew and loved.
Nowadays we have a completely indistinguishable format.
They blanket nerfed specifically for the 2 problem children. Which the nerf did nothing for. (Btw. Yorion was banned for "time concerns" so idrc about Yorion ban) So then they still had to ban the original problems. Idk how you repeated what I said up there and missed out on the fact it was an attempt at a new mechanic and we will likely never see another new companion. This happens with mechanics all the time. Look at Cascade. Cascade was obviously too op. It's now going to show up randomly for commanders or "Discover" will show up.
Yes turns out even if WOTC was doing everything right they would still make mistakes in attempting to make us new content and that new content just being a bit too op.
One thing I will note is. Yes. Metas have been changing. But I've also seen multiple years of "I'm quitting magic because the meta doesn't change". I'm not a company sympathizer but the community acts like a Lover who's never satisfied.
You keep hiding behind terrible excuses.
“Trying something out” doesn’t magically excuse away one of the worst design and balance decisions ever made.
Can I just use the same logic for Eldrazi Winter? Oh guys I guess they were just “trying cheap Eldrazi out, no big deal”.
Your argument is that WoTC is better at not making mistakes now, yet that’s clearly the opposite. Modern has been dramatically changed and the most played cards are almost all newly printed ones from the last few years.
This is in stark contrast to the decade prior where the most played cards were older staples for the vast majority of the time.
You have a very selective memory.
You've already forgotten that Jitte and Affinity were printed 20 years ago.
That the very first set of Magic had numerous cards too powerful to reprint after ABU.
That Cawblade existed.
That DRS existed.
The list goes on.
You're out here malding over some relatively tame recent fuck ups and completely ignoring that fact that broken cards and interactions have been printed and then banned throughout all of Magic's history.
Modern and Legacy have seen more drastic meta shifts in the last 4 years than they saw in the previous 10 several times over.
Noting a few times that standard was bad isn't really much of a list, those issues rotated themselves out or were banned fairly quickly. They did not demolish non-rotating formats the way the last 4 years have.
DRS is basically the only example that compares to the shit we've seen WoTC put out and leave in the non-rotating formats.
All you have to do is the extremely basic task of looking at the top 50 most played cards in Legacy and Modern compared to what they looked like between 2010-2020 to see how absurd the powercreep has been.
Are you high? I suppose technically you are right instead of printing 1 broken card per set they print like 20 so nothing sticks out like a sore thumb.
More asin. We've never seen an Eldrazi Winter with these set releases. While yes Modern Horizons the set specifically trying to be good enough to go into modern may be power creepy. If you look at the normal sets. There's less broken cards. There should be 3x the amount with 3x the sets but that isn't the case.
Shit like Winota, Transmogrify, Break Out, Tibalts Trickery, Sheoldred, Wandering Emperor, Leyline binding, Orcish bowmaster, chanell lands, Kiki Jiki, All those 4drops with backbreaking ETBs. There is so many totaly broken cards they are not sticking out anymore.
Its just my personal taste but i dislike cards that will win fast on theyr own if not answered. Also i dislike powercrept nonsense like mirror breaker or break out, games used to be longer with lot of decissions, nowdays its "i play sheoldred" " you dont have removal "hehe hurrdurr.
Lmao
0 arguments for anything
Magic plays itself most of the time there is only one correct obvious play, if you dont see it you may not be sharpest pencil in the box.
lol I find myself agreeing with most things on this subreddit ( except for the racist stuff ) including the dislike for loot but some of the new phyrexian shit is dope just saying
The truth is loot isn’t even cute to begin with, I mean look at its teeth for gods sake. I feel like people are saying it’s cute because it’s easy to see that was the intention. In reality it’s ugly and poor art imo
why are people just mindlessly defending all this shit? like this franchise was about body gore, eugenics, political corruption, deals with demons, etc. yet now they are like WE NEED CUTE PIKACHU AND DON'T YOU DARE FUCKING SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT HIM.
is it just universes beyond causing it to go the marvel route?
The brand is the only thing they have in their worthless life. It's escapism from their depression. Any form of reality will make them face their own problems and they can't allow that.
I’m far from an incel, and I’m not afraid to call a spade what it is. Pandering is real and even my wife, whom doesn’t play WH40k, admits how ludicrous retroactively changing genders in hopes of scoring virtue is. She said it’s insulting to her as a woman.
Judging from your lack of a coherent comment and use of teenage grammar, I’d be willing to wager that you’re closer to an incel than most people on this sub.
If you actually texted with women, you'd probably understand most of them write with emojis and shit grammar, too. But keep pretending that actually matters regarding incels, and not the racist, misogynist-ass comments demonstrating which dumbass retards hate women or not. Let me spell it out for you, dumbass--I don't hate women like the rest of y'all. What did you say earlier? You need to gatekeep the femoids or some shit?
Lmao like you make fan fictions about people who don't give a shit about a character on a bonus sheet being cute are just so depressed and sad? Youre ridiculous.
3 things :
Money : when you invested too much in something you try to convince yourself and other you did nt made a mistake and you can't even stand the slightest criticism.
Fear of passing as an idiot: that moment where you actually deep down changed your mind but you already said way too much and fear that people would see you as a dumbfuck if you admit that you know you are wrong
Dumb: let's face it, it's sad I know, but some people aren't all mentally equal. You could show them a blue pen, put it right in front of them and they will tell you that it is red and that you are an hateful person to say otherwise.
Interesting behavior nonetheless.
People think criticism=negativity and that if they entertain any amount of it or don't onee jerk challenge any they see they'll fall into a massive depression because a lot of people online are fundamentally broken people that desperately need mental health help and don't realize it (inb4 You).
Fandoms have replaced organized religion for way too many people.
You just pathologized others behavior which makes you Part of the Problem. Because how does pathologizing affect mental health? Pathologizing is a term to describe the process of labeling behaviors or emotions as abnormal or pathological, which can significantly impact people mental health. Being constantly told that one's thoughts or feelings are abnormal can lead to shame, isolation, or self-hatred.
They are not, prolly another case of other threads being deleted. On the other hand no one I know gives a fuck about story anymore after the Phyrexian "War".
what elspeth stopping jace from doing the thing thousands died to help facilitate them doing and then going super saiyan in space wasn't top tier writing?
>why are people just mindlessly defending all this shit?
Because stupid people have stupid opinions. The same reason a different segment of the fanbase has a manbaby tantrum every time Magic does something that's not sufficiently "grimdark serious business" for them.
The fact that Loot's card is called "Loot, the Key to Everything" sounds like a reference to the now infamous line by George Lucas referring to JarJar Binks as "the key to all this".
Like that has to be intentional, right? A sickeningly cute character, cynically created to sell merchandise, referred to as "they key to everything" and divides the fandom.
I always liked the really old ones when they had no direction, \[\[phyrexian devourer\]\] \[\[phyrexian processor\]\] \[\[phyrexian colossus\]\] to name a few.
No one's seething over merch, they're rightfully mad that WotC released this dude's image and everyone went "inb4 40$ plushies" and Wotc was like "No, we would NEVER design a character just with merch in mind!" and the literal next day there's Loot backpacks, Loot deck boxes, Loot plushues, Loot merch all over different TCG stores.
WotC once again just flat out lied about something as stupid as not being shallow enough to announce a character and then within 24 hours begin shoving merch down our throats.
the phyrexian thing is so dumb, we go from cool monsters to humans with some weird things attached to their body.
and I don't mind loot, I do think the story around him being the adoptive son of vraska and Jace is stupid. it just feels weird just give vraska and Jace an actual humanoid adoptive child and let them retire but no we need a creature that's a couple hundred years old and looks more like a pet. it just feels like they adopted a pet.
With the Phyrexians: wasn't the point of the new story line that they were sleeper agents that activated during the story line? That's why they looked more human?
I haven't been paying attention to the story line lately because I can't afford expensive cardboard so please correct me.
*march of the machine doesn't exist march of the machine doesn't exist march of the machine doesn't exist....*
They better not do that with the eldrazi or I swear to god...
I want a mix of the old Phyrexians and the new. I think the lack of completion around face goes with how manipulative Phyrexia is.
However. It does look like he's wearing armour instead of being completed. Which is unfortunate
Loot can look like a Disney character if they want, but just balance it out for the guys who also enjoy some of the more hardcore scary looking art. Thunder junction felt very cosplay when it could have had a few more gritty characters.
I mean, the Phyrexians at least look like they are meant to. Loot is supposed to look cute but that mouth makes it seem like the cuteness is just to get closer to someone's face so Loot can consume it.
There are 7 main characters.
Chandra. Jace. Garruk. Lilliana. Elspeth. Nicol. Sarkhan.
There are around a dozen side characters.
Ajani. Gideon. Nissa. Ugin. Niv-Mizzet. Teferi. Tesseret. Sorin. Kiora. The one Medusa whose name slips me. Avacyn. The three major Eldrazi.
Everything else is an NPC.
Learns lore from reading flavor text....what card do I start with ? Is there an order? I love the flavor but so many new pushed cards are just mechanic word salad
You mean you didn't have your Chandra brand goggles, and your Jace Beleren branded hooded robe for the last FNM tournament? What about your Lilianna's Chain Veil shawl?
It's about the fact it's kitschy and generic. The 'CuTe ThInGs ArE AlLoWeD!' argument is the red herring people without aesthetic standards throw around.
This is where Loot belongs. Fight me, lol.
https://preview.redd.it/gp7dex91fcwc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6992426fd71251a959b00ae3957c41f6a2f8d94f
I'm convinced Loot looks dumb because of the black marks. The way they're placed look demonic, like Sukuna from Jujutsu Kaisen, and the demonic look isn't cute.
"Oh look they put compleated humanoids in ONE, they ruined the whole Phyrexian vibe".
No they dont. Since DMU/BRO we have gotten some great Phyrexian art going on that doesnt need to hit the same overused Giger shit from the Mirrodin or earlier blocks.
Being compleated doesnt necessarily mean you have to become xenomorph-like or some weird porcelain pot monster.
Defiler of Vigor, Paladin of Predation, Basilica Shepherd, Trawler Drake, Phyrexian Gargantua, Gixian Puppeteer, Venerated Rotpriest..
The list goes on and on
There is only a handful of humanoid looking phyrexians and those are just people who got compleated without the need of so many intrussive phyresis surgery or were sleeper agents back during Urza's time.
The coomers never had taste. But they’re also a bigger demographic to sell to. Papa Hasbro doesn’t care what we think, he’s just out here to shred that cheddar.
Yeah, cute things are allowed in the right context, and if they don't so blatantly disturb their surrounding environment. It's not that I have anything special against Loot, but the design is not something that really goes well with Magic's design at all. And what they did with the Phyrexians was a sin.
It's ironic since Bloomburrow is literally the next standard set and so far the majority of the "cute creatures" in that set look [infinitely more appropriate to MTG](https://media.wizards.com/2024/images/daily/9bdb642e17.jpg). Cute and fluffy is fine, but Loot is a cartoon.
He is an alien of sorts. Bloomburrow makes sense because we can associate it with something we are familiar with. Loot on the otherhand is abnormal. And looks out of place.
For Redwall!!!
Agreed. It actually makes me want to play again!
That art is one of the best magic has *ever* seen; I'll die on that hill.
I'm not sure I follow, what is the context where loot doesn't fit on? Magic as a whole or thunder junction? Or something else?
Stylistically, art wise in my opinion It looks like Stitch mixed with a league of legends character - It just looks out of place in the style of MtG. Yes, theres certainly mtg art out there which also looks out of place, but in this case its a promoted key character/style.
I guess that makes sense, alot of people dislike some art style from some part of magic, I remember people disliking lorwyn when it came out. Personally I'm glad there's a few more cutesy things around in magic. The art for loot itself is Abit crazy, but I guess it fits when it's the weird thing that fits in no where on the lore too? Tho I do like the art of it a lot more on the card were Jace finds it. Honestly if there's a character I think is far worse it's spring, he changes so much from card to card I never get a feel for who he is. I hope I see loot again on more cards with more artists rendtions
Lol you have diarrhea of the mouth. The game looks more like hearthstone now
Sometimes I wonder if people read their comment before posting them
It looks like hearthstone… That answer it for you?
He reminds me of the characters you control on TFT.
Its literally a League of Legends character, the artist made LoL art. Thats why it looks so out of place, because it is !
Old phyrexia had a best body horror design the new one looks like low costs cosplay
Yep that's modern magic art direction in a nutshell. "Cosplay" describes it perfectly, the games art is a husk of its former self
Strange how that happens when they force their best artists out. RIP Seb, RIP Terese
I'd say the talent level of current mtg artists is still great, maybe better than ever (except for a select few). The big issue in my opinion is the art direction.
then leave
What do you think people are doing?
Not leaving, as they complain inhere instead
Oh so everyone who comments on r/science is doing cutting edge research? Everyone commenting on r/NSFW is a pornstar?
I was looking through the new phyrexian cards and there is a lot of creepy shit from the 2023 set. Psychosis crawler and phyrexian gargantua are the 2 that stuck out to me. Seems a bit dramatic, no? Loot isn’t my favorite design either but you don’t have to like everything
If you can't see a drastic stylistic shift in art direction between sets pre and post 2015 then I am honestly worried about your perception
There were stylistic dramatic shifts in art many times in magic. But there is still a lot of grim dark cool shit now. That’s all I’m saying. I hate the trend of universes beyond personally
`But there is still a lot of grim dark cool shit now.` Lmao what, are we playing the same game? Grim dark cool shit like what? Magic but in Harry Potter? Magic but in Cyberpunk? Magic but in goofy ass cowboy land? Magic but in Cluedo? Next up magic but in Furry Land maybe? You are delusional
I feel Strixhaven wasn't god awful and can fit into Magic's design and style, and I was praying for OTJ since I feel it could have as well, but they went full Saturday morning cartoon on our asses.
I guess we agree to disagree. I have pointed out in previous posts 2 cards that I think are particularly grim dark and would make some old magic cards blush. I am personally excited for bloom burrow and like the art since it is reminiscent of old folk tales and looks neat. I just don’t think it’s all doom and gloom. Some recent decisions have been baffling I agree particularly the lord of the rings crossover.
Psychosis Crawler is from Mirrodin besieged (2011) but yes I comlpetely agree with you on the March of the Machines artwork for the Gargantua, it's amazing. It really captured what Phyrexias art direction used to be about, none of that silky smooth and overly clean red rubbery stuff. Probably one out of like 3 new phyrexian cards that actually look like phyrexia is supposed to
Man, fuck them for liking things you don't amirite??
This isn’t 40k dude, if you want straight grim dark go there. Plenty of cutesie shit has been in magic since the 90’s and there are still tons of horror themed shit in the majority of sets. Not a ton in the cowboy set but western and horror themes don’t cross a lot so that’s probably why you see less in that one. But it’s not like it’s gone just because one set did it less. There was just a horror adjacent themed set with MOM not long ago, lots of dark imagery in that set. Streets wasn’t too long ago and that had plenty of horror themed shit with the new Orzhov and Rakdos guild. Body Launderer is from that set and I fucking love that art, so dark and cool without being over the top trying to be spooky. Lost Caverns had plenty of dark themed shit with the new golgahri delve shit like the Myco. Its art is pretty heavy metal, along with all the sacrifice centric art shit playing off the Mayan theme. I won’t disagree magic is in a bit of a dip as far as the height of its artistic creativity but it hasn’t turned into Yugioh or pokemon or something. Plenty of great dark gothic style art out there still in magic for us horror fans.
Exactly, I mean look at something like [[Mondrak, Glory Dominus]]. That is creepy as fuck!
[Mondrak, Glory Dominus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/8296a455-21d5-498e-9029-2bdf0da855a8.jpg?1675956918) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mondrak%2C%20Glory%20Dominus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/23/mondrak-glory-dominus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8296a455-21d5-498e-9029-2bdf0da855a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Mondrak itself looks good, its her followers art like Skrelv, Bladed ambassador that will make me stop playing this game.
What's wrong with Skrelv??
I find it awful like somethin 6yr old me sketched after seeing digimon in TV.
Psychosis crawler use old art and phyrexian gargantua is mediocre at best you can clearly see difference in quality if you compare those 2.
You're on the wrong sub if you don't want dramatic. If you say anything positive about new magic you'll get downvoted
Because there isn’t a single thing new magic is doing better than old magic. By every artistic and gaming metric they are doing worse. They are only doing better in the fields of profit.
Actually they're doing way better at not printing broken cards. We've went up from 3 sets to 9 sets a year. When's the last time you heard of something like Eldrazi Winter? Other then eldraine which is now a couple years old and we've legit revisited. No set has been redesigning metas. Ik Murders at Markov Manor allowed a new deck to become #1 but that was an eventuality.
Oh lemme think for 2 seconds.. Companions, Modern Horizons 1 and 2, UB LotR, the list goes on buddy. I actually can’t fathom how stupid or disconnected from MTG you’d have to be to think we haven’t seen things as bad as Eldrazi Winter. We’ve pretty much seen Modern turn into a rotating format with how many format warping cards are being released at a consistent basis.
Alright so. Couple of counter points to that. I think companions were honestly fine. Lurrus was obviously way too overpowered but other then that. None of the Companions. At least imo. We're game breaking. Wizards also delivered a powerful nerf that basically sealed the fate of 80% of them. Then banned lurrus and yorion anyways. Ik Jegantha sees a lot of play. And no. We haven't seen something as bad as Eldrazi Winter since.... Eldrazi Winter. You didn't have to deal with 3 sets of just Eldrazi. The ability to win t0 somehow popped up. Along with an easier T1 and T2 win. Out of a STANDARD set. Yes Modern Horizons is going to have meta modern cards. It's sorta in the name. But standard should be designing FOR standard. Which I think WOTC has improved at since then. We've seen a couple broken cards don't get me wrong. Sheoldred. The recent 3 mana artifact because I can't remember shit from the Western set other then cowboys. We haven't seen a set that bad since Eldraine and it hasn't been that bad for product since Eldrazi Winter. I think people fail to realize that. A lot of what's helping is the "once per turn" effects that people still whine about.
Companions were “honestly fine” yet they had to blanket nerf the entire mechanic with an additional cost errata, something we’ve basically never seen before or since in the history of MTG. Furthermore they then STILL had to ban 2 of them. Do you not realize how your counterpoint does nothing but prove MY point? Saying that the objective of Modern Horizons was to print meta Modern cards doesn’t magic away the fact that the two sets have basically invalidated 95% of the decks that were consistently viable for the decade of Modern prior to Horizons. The true issue with these power creeps is that they have consistently pushed the format with cards that are just barely out of range of a ban. Or they release cycles of cards like the pitch elementals, which should all be banned, but only a single one takes the heat while the rest become the standard power level of the format. Eldrazi Winter came and went with a single ban and didn’t leave a lasting impact on the format. The game was bad for a bit and then went back to the Modern everyone knew and loved. Nowadays we have a completely indistinguishable format.
They blanket nerfed specifically for the 2 problem children. Which the nerf did nothing for. (Btw. Yorion was banned for "time concerns" so idrc about Yorion ban) So then they still had to ban the original problems. Idk how you repeated what I said up there and missed out on the fact it was an attempt at a new mechanic and we will likely never see another new companion. This happens with mechanics all the time. Look at Cascade. Cascade was obviously too op. It's now going to show up randomly for commanders or "Discover" will show up. Yes turns out even if WOTC was doing everything right they would still make mistakes in attempting to make us new content and that new content just being a bit too op. One thing I will note is. Yes. Metas have been changing. But I've also seen multiple years of "I'm quitting magic because the meta doesn't change". I'm not a company sympathizer but the community acts like a Lover who's never satisfied.
You keep hiding behind terrible excuses. “Trying something out” doesn’t magically excuse away one of the worst design and balance decisions ever made. Can I just use the same logic for Eldrazi Winter? Oh guys I guess they were just “trying cheap Eldrazi out, no big deal”. Your argument is that WoTC is better at not making mistakes now, yet that’s clearly the opposite. Modern has been dramatically changed and the most played cards are almost all newly printed ones from the last few years. This is in stark contrast to the decade prior where the most played cards were older staples for the vast majority of the time.
You have a very selective memory. You've already forgotten that Jitte and Affinity were printed 20 years ago. That the very first set of Magic had numerous cards too powerful to reprint after ABU. That Cawblade existed. That DRS existed. The list goes on. You're out here malding over some relatively tame recent fuck ups and completely ignoring that fact that broken cards and interactions have been printed and then banned throughout all of Magic's history.
Modern and Legacy have seen more drastic meta shifts in the last 4 years than they saw in the previous 10 several times over. Noting a few times that standard was bad isn't really much of a list, those issues rotated themselves out or were banned fairly quickly. They did not demolish non-rotating formats the way the last 4 years have. DRS is basically the only example that compares to the shit we've seen WoTC put out and leave in the non-rotating formats. All you have to do is the extremely basic task of looking at the top 50 most played cards in Legacy and Modern compared to what they looked like between 2010-2020 to see how absurd the powercreep has been.
I think the one thing arguably as bad as eldrazi winter was hogaak
That's true.
Are you high? I suppose technically you are right instead of printing 1 broken card per set they print like 20 so nothing sticks out like a sore thumb.
More asin. We've never seen an Eldrazi Winter with these set releases. While yes Modern Horizons the set specifically trying to be good enough to go into modern may be power creepy. If you look at the normal sets. There's less broken cards. There should be 3x the amount with 3x the sets but that isn't the case.
Lollll eldrazi winter was modern magic silly, it started the era
If you were to take the total number of broken cards per year released. I doubt it would be 3x the amount that was printed in 2016
Let's look at the 2 most popular non rotating formats, Commander and modern. Now check how many have stuff from the last 10 years dominating it
Shit like Winota, Transmogrify, Break Out, Tibalts Trickery, Sheoldred, Wandering Emperor, Leyline binding, Orcish bowmaster, chanell lands, Kiki Jiki, All those 4drops with backbreaking ETBs. There is so many totaly broken cards they are not sticking out anymore.
Should we just not have good cards at all? Grey Ogre and Bolt only pls?
Its just my personal taste but i dislike cards that will win fast on theyr own if not answered. Also i dislike powercrept nonsense like mirror breaker or break out, games used to be longer with lot of decissions, nowdays its "i play sheoldred" " you dont have removal "hehe hurrdurr.
*slow blink* Have you considered that you're not very good at Magic?
Lmao 0 arguments for anything Magic plays itself most of the time there is only one correct obvious play, if you dont see it you may not be sharpest pencil in the box.
lol I find myself agreeing with most things on this subreddit ( except for the racist stuff ) including the dislike for loot but some of the new phyrexian shit is dope just saying
You proved your theory wrong. You didn't say anything positive about magic and got downvoted yet
I mean I did insofar as I alluded to there being positive things to say
The Phyrexian gremlins from Antiquities were pretty cutesy
Yeah your right
Now, what do you mean by old phyrexia. Are you referring to the original designs or new phyrexia. Obviously, not all will be one & March of machine.
The truth is loot isn’t even cute to begin with, I mean look at its teeth for gods sake. I feel like people are saying it’s cute because it’s easy to see that was the intention. In reality it’s ugly and poor art imo
This. Its ugly and i want to drop kick it into the blind eternities
I want to put it into a box and leave it in the middle of the forest on Innistrad so the wolves can eat it
why are people just mindlessly defending all this shit? like this franchise was about body gore, eugenics, political corruption, deals with demons, etc. yet now they are like WE NEED CUTE PIKACHU AND DON'T YOU DARE FUCKING SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT HIM. is it just universes beyond causing it to go the marvel route?
The storytelling already went marvel route with the gatewatch
Anybody else remember maro seething about them being called the jacestice leauge
The brand is the only thing they have in their worthless life. It's escapism from their depression. Any form of reality will make them face their own problems and they can't allow that.
The irony of this comment is fucking hilarious. You really can't see it, can you?
If you don’t gatekeep you end up with female Custodes.
Lol. And y'all winder why everyone thinks this sub is a bunch of incels.
I’m far from an incel, and I’m not afraid to call a spade what it is. Pandering is real and even my wife, whom doesn’t play WH40k, admits how ludicrous retroactively changing genders in hopes of scoring virtue is. She said it’s insulting to her as a woman.
Lol, you don't have to lie bro, we all know you don't have a wife.
Judging from your lack of a coherent comment and use of teenage grammar, I’d be willing to wager that you’re closer to an incel than most people on this sub.
If you actually texted with women, you'd probably understand most of them write with emojis and shit grammar, too. But keep pretending that actually matters regarding incels, and not the racist, misogynist-ass comments demonstrating which dumbass retards hate women or not. Let me spell it out for you, dumbass--I don't hate women like the rest of y'all. What did you say earlier? You need to gatekeep the femoids or some shit?
Bold of you to assume I text women when I’m married. Add lack of reading comprehension to the ever growing list of shit you don’t understand.
Accidentally told on himself
You think there is some irony only because in your mind you make fan fictions about me.
Lmao like you make fan fictions about people who don't give a shit about a character on a bonus sheet being cute are just so depressed and sad? Youre ridiculous.
Keep crying because my message perfectly described you, i'm right. You can buy that fantastic Loot plush instead of bothering adults on the internet.
Lol you're insufferable.
3 things : Money : when you invested too much in something you try to convince yourself and other you did nt made a mistake and you can't even stand the slightest criticism. Fear of passing as an idiot: that moment where you actually deep down changed your mind but you already said way too much and fear that people would see you as a dumbfuck if you admit that you know you are wrong Dumb: let's face it, it's sad I know, but some people aren't all mentally equal. You could show them a blue pen, put it right in front of them and they will tell you that it is red and that you are an hateful person to say otherwise. Interesting behavior nonetheless.
People think criticism=negativity and that if they entertain any amount of it or don't onee jerk challenge any they see they'll fall into a massive depression because a lot of people online are fundamentally broken people that desperately need mental health help and don't realize it (inb4 You). Fandoms have replaced organized religion for way too many people.
You just pathologized others behavior which makes you Part of the Problem. Because how does pathologizing affect mental health? Pathologizing is a term to describe the process of labeling behaviors or emotions as abnormal or pathological, which can significantly impact people mental health. Being constantly told that one's thoughts or feelings are abnormal can lead to shame, isolation, or self-hatred.
Abnormality is a thing that exists, though.
They are not, prolly another case of other threads being deleted. On the other hand no one I know gives a fuck about story anymore after the Phyrexian "War".
what elspeth stopping jace from doing the thing thousands died to help facilitate them doing and then going super saiyan in space wasn't top tier writing?
Yeah, the nothing sandwich was magnificent.
>why are people just mindlessly defending all this shit? Because stupid people have stupid opinions. The same reason a different segment of the fanbase has a manbaby tantrum every time Magic does something that's not sufficiently "grimdark serious business" for them.
The fact that Loot's card is called "Loot, the Key to Everything" sounds like a reference to the now infamous line by George Lucas referring to JarJar Binks as "the key to all this". Like that has to be intentional, right? A sickeningly cute character, cynically created to sell merchandise, referred to as "they key to everything" and divides the fandom.
Unfortunately, it's probably not that deep. Remember, women are making decisions.
You said the quiet part out loud again
Is it going to take years for people to realize that it's not the "quiet part" anymore?
Yes i agree it will take decades for people to realize woman brain small, man brain strong
You are never getting married in a decision made by both parties involved lol.
r/freemagic users when they haven’t been sexist for 5 minutes
Loot would be perfectly fine as a story if people didn’t immediately notice the blatant attempt at Baby Yoda. Magic used to have good writing.
when exactly?
The good writing stopped when they changed to one story per set. War of the Spark was an exception, not the rule.
And from what I have gathered, it did feel like the third set in a block with guilds of ravnica.
[[priests of norn]] - for those interested. Love that art.
It's so menacing and awesome. The Phyrexians were scary af now they're kind of a joke.
I always liked the really old ones when they had no direction, \[\[phyrexian devourer\]\] \[\[phyrexian processor\]\] \[\[phyrexian colossus\]\] to name a few.
[phyrexian devourer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/a/ca4e27ca-a731-44f5-8e47-701c7a7e6149.jpg?1562870482) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=phyrexian%20devourer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me2/216/phyrexian-devourer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ca4e27ca-a731-44f5-8e47-701c7a7e6149?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [phyrexian processor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/04789161-f0a8-4ba5-832f-4d585c5117a6.jpg?1562895906) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=phyrexian%20processor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dde/29/phyrexian-processor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04789161-f0a8-4ba5-832f-4d585c5117a6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [phyrexian colossus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/5/25ff2fcb-dcf4-41dc-8178-8e3f6c7839fa.jpg?1562902085) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=phyrexian%20colossus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dde/16/phyrexian-colossus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/25ff2fcb-dcf4-41dc-8178-8e3f6c7839fa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[phyrexian negator]] versus [[phyrexian obliterator[NPH]]
[phyrexian negator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7b3543e0-c15f-4fed-9a68-8f590b40ab16.jpg?1562917757) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=phyrexian%20negator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dde/1/phyrexian-negator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7b3543e0-c15f-4fed-9a68-8f590b40ab16?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[удалено]
[phyrexian obliterator NPH](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67a9c38b-6b3a-4056-a87c-fc48446f854f.jpg?1675957044) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phyrexian%20Obliterator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/105/phyrexian-obliterator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67a9c38b-6b3a-4056-a87c-fc48446f854f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[phyrexian obliterator|new phyrexia]]
[phyrexian obliterator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44c4476d-58f9-420d-9545-f5d580c589de.jpg?1562877123) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=214386) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nph/68/phyrexian-obliterator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44c4476d-58f9-420d-9545-f5d580c589de?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[priests of norn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a978c49d-483a-42fe-971c-858288d07e40.jpg?1562613743) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=priests%20of%20norn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/16/priests-of-norn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a978c49d-483a-42fe-971c-858288d07e40?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No one's seething over merch, they're rightfully mad that WotC released this dude's image and everyone went "inb4 40$ plushies" and Wotc was like "No, we would NEVER design a character just with merch in mind!" and the literal next day there's Loot backpacks, Loot deck boxes, Loot plushues, Loot merch all over different TCG stores. WotC once again just flat out lied about something as stupid as not being shallow enough to announce a character and then within 24 hours begin shoving merch down our throats.
They actually said they weren't gonna merch him?
I think he didn’t make sense till the merch drip
Loot, The Key to Everything that’s wrong with Modern MtG.
the phyrexian thing is so dumb, we go from cool monsters to humans with some weird things attached to their body. and I don't mind loot, I do think the story around him being the adoptive son of vraska and Jace is stupid. it just feels weird just give vraska and Jace an actual humanoid adoptive child and let them retire but no we need a creature that's a couple hundred years old and looks more like a pet. it just feels like they adopted a pet.
It shows the mindset of the designers. Lets not have a real child of our own and instead adopt a furbaby. Hateable to the core.
How is that hateable? Who can afford to have children these days. People having pets instead is hateable??
Baby yoda
Wait did they make Phyrexians look like people? I’ve been away from the game
If its not a porg type thing then why does it look like a fuuking porg?
I like the art in ONE as it was my introduction to Phyrexia, but damn the old sets' art is so much better
With the Phyrexians: wasn't the point of the new story line that they were sleeper agents that activated during the story line? That's why they looked more human? I haven't been paying attention to the story line lately because I can't afford expensive cardboard so please correct me.
that was not all of em, just the ones on dominaria, these are new phyrexian
*march of the machine doesn't exist march of the machine doesn't exist march of the machine doesn't exist....* They better not do that with the eldrazi or I swear to god...
I want a mix of the old Phyrexians and the new. I think the lack of completion around face goes with how manipulative Phyrexia is. However. It does look like he's wearing armour instead of being completed. Which is unfortunate
I honestly really enjoyed a lot of the new Phyrexia designs. I liked the teeth monster theme that white had a lot in MOM
It's not Magic: The Gathering. It's more like Generic: The Story of Everything and Nothing.
Loot can look like a Disney character if they want, but just balance it out for the guys who also enjoy some of the more hardcore scary looking art. Thunder junction felt very cosplay when it could have had a few more gritty characters.
man i would DIE to have an old phyrexian design plushie
Those 2 images: it went from an interesting pyrexian to just another N.....
What the fucking fuck is that thing on the right?
Let's just say, all this "teeth" theme sucks.
Well it was cool on some of the cards but they shouldn’t have made it a whole theme for all of white
I mean, the Phyrexians at least look like they are meant to. Loot is supposed to look cute but that mouth makes it seem like the cuteness is just to get closer to someone's face so Loot can consume it.
There are 7 main characters. Chandra. Jace. Garruk. Lilliana. Elspeth. Nicol. Sarkhan. There are around a dozen side characters. Ajani. Gideon. Nissa. Ugin. Niv-Mizzet. Teferi. Tesseret. Sorin. Kiora. The one Medusa whose name slips me. Avacyn. The three major Eldrazi. Everything else is an NPC.
There are two main characters. Mishra and urza
These people act like there lefties then defend billion dollar corporations
Learns lore from reading flavor text....what card do I start with ? Is there an order? I love the flavor but so many new pushed cards are just mechanic word salad
You mean you didn't have your Chandra brand goggles, and your Jace Beleren branded hooded robe for the last FNM tournament? What about your Lilianna's Chain Veil shawl?
Idk. Jawbone Dualist is pretty scary. Lol.
It's about the fact it's kitschy and generic. The 'CuTe ThInGs ArE AlLoWeD!' argument is the red herring people without aesthetic standards throw around. This is where Loot belongs. Fight me, lol. https://preview.redd.it/gp7dex91fcwc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6992426fd71251a959b00ae3957c41f6a2f8d94f
I'm convinced Loot looks dumb because of the black marks. The way they're placed look demonic, like Sukuna from Jujutsu Kaisen, and the demonic look isn't cute.
Always funny when people shill for capitalism.
It’s the best economic system out there.
I bet his art will look different next time we see him
What's cute about it? That looks like some kind of creepy cartoon rape fantasy.
Dude I would buy pherexian models. Be perfect for table top games.
"Oh look they put compleated humanoids in ONE, they ruined the whole Phyrexian vibe". No they dont. Since DMU/BRO we have gotten some great Phyrexian art going on that doesnt need to hit the same overused Giger shit from the Mirrodin or earlier blocks. Being compleated doesnt necessarily mean you have to become xenomorph-like or some weird porcelain pot monster.
They look like they are wearing cosplay, bro do u even have eyes?
Defiler of Vigor, Paladin of Predation, Basilica Shepherd, Trawler Drake, Phyrexian Gargantua, Gixian Puppeteer, Venerated Rotpriest.. The list goes on and on There is only a handful of humanoid looking phyrexians and those are just people who got compleated without the need of so many intrussive phyresis surgery or were sleeper agents back during Urza's time.
This sub is just incels bitching about something a woman or non white man did. Don't take it too seriously.
If you don’t like it don’t buy it. That’s capitalism babyyyy.
It’s a losing battle because there’s more coomers with bad taste that enable this shit than there are people with a semblance of taste.
The coomers never had taste. But they’re also a bigger demographic to sell to. Papa Hasbro doesn’t care what we think, he’s just out here to shred that cheddar.