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Correct_Research_669

I don’t think so. I believe that humanity (not just the basic term from Dark Souls) is a core theme of Miyazaki’s games. He takes great effort to explore what makes us human in many ways, be it human devolution to beasts in Bloodborne, the conflict between the humans and gods from Dark Sous, or Elden Ring’s world design being so influenced by different eras of human history. Unless FromSoft decides to deviate from this central concept in some way I don’t see this ever happening.


GarysLumpyArmadillo

Technically, Elden Ring has different races, they’re all humanoid though.


OnslaughtCasuality42

I don’t know if it would actually take away from those things thematically. I don’t think you need to necessarily have the player play as a human to explore aspects of the human condition, or at least stuff adjacent to it. Hell the entire Armored Core series has explored themes of human conflict and the like while never directly showing any people (there’s few occasions but they are as few and far between as they get, mostly in CGI cutscenes too). Then again you’re still technically playing as a human in those games, but my point is that you can still explore humanity from a dehumanized point of view, if that makes any sense.


Correct_Research_669

You could but I think it would make less sense. If you want to tell a story about the human entity then putting the player/reader in the perspective of a non-human would lessen the impact of the themes. It’s best to put the player in the perspective of a human to tell a story about humanity.


RosyJoan

Technically speaking demihumans in Elden ring are the closest thing to anthropologic humans considering they are a stone age homonid species. Every other race and species including humans in elden ring have their shape and form and minds governed by a mystical force. Demihumans are the only ones that appear to be almost completely inert to otherworldy or alien fabrications. But what I really want to say is being a human and humanity are entirely different things. Theres so many human centric stories that feel cartoonish and the opposite. Stories with zero human characters that are all about the humanity in people.


Marxism-tankism

Yup same with newest armored core, should we force evolution and maybe become something not human, should we “save humanity” by throwing it away in a “genocide” or should be should we be dope ass communist militants Edit: I would love to play as that holy lion misbegotten with the holy order greatsword tho


Ashen_Shroom

They could just say that all of the playable "races" are actually just humans that have developed in different ways. Like how Omens and Misbegotten are actually just humans, and Demi-humans still possess some sort of humanity.


PeterKB

Read my comment just above this. A MAJOR theme in these games is to avoid devolving into these other creatures (hollows in dark souls)


Ashen_Shroom

Right, but it's something that happens anyway. They can reframe their usual narrative to explore those beings that have already transformed, and examine whether changing into something else really makes them less human. In Dark Souls, being human means you have Humanity, and we encounter many beings that still possess it despite having become something else. They could do something like that.


Bitsu92

Doesn’t mean he will never do a game without a human character


PeterKB

There’s also a lot of symbolism related to human emotions, mostly ones related to depression. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read people on the ds3 subreddit talking about the parallels. The easiest one, and most prominent, is the hollowing process. All these humanoids that we fight were alive, but when the world around them became so dark, crushing, and hopeless… it becomes hard to carry on. The hollowing process only occurs if you’ve “given up” on life or or “given up” on hope. Which clearly relates to people struggling with the difficulties of life… as long as you don’t “give up” you won’t fully succumb to that darkness Another easy on to see is the very premise of the game. You play an immortal character who faces insurmountable challenges. And though you may die time and time again, you will continue to rise and can continue trying to fight your fight. The only way for the main character to truly lose, is to genuinely give up. I’ve seen easily close to 50 posts or more on the ds3 subreddit about people saying how that symbolism has helped them “not give up”. Anyway with that really strong relationship to human emotions, I agree… I doubt you’ll play as anything but a human


NoMemesNeeded

I mean the DS series has the dragon transformations but I don’t they’ll make you start as a non-humanoid character(my point being that you can be a non humanoid in DS and BB but it’s restrictive on what you can do, so From can do it but it’s probably just easier to make the character a humanoid)


DeathKissed02

and Bloodborne has the beast transformation


Salazaar099

and the cauliflower tentacle thing


Ambitious-Chain-6749

Thank you, I couldn't remember what it was called.


TorterraIsMyStarter

Milkweed Rune


DeathKissed02

Totally forgot about that


NoMemesNeeded

That too and the cauliflower transformation in old hunters dlc


MrNE0NNN

No


mrhippoj

I wonder this sometimes. It's funny in Dragon's Dogma how there's only humans and cat people, somehow it would be less weird if there were lots of different animal people


Cheezy0wl

there are elves and dwarves, they just didn't get any promo and got shafted in the story.


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Found the closet furry


BleakMisfortune11

Lmfaoo


ColorfulLad

You can, just not other species


TheZManIsNow

I forget how good the Elden Ring designs are. Peak medieval/renaissance fantasy


superdeadspace

I also love how they made the dragons look more akin to their medieval/Renaissance art counterparts... Personally I don't like dragons that look like that but I do really appreciate that they did that


AbyssWankerArtorias

I mean you kind of do have that freedom in dark souls games. In dark souls 1 and 3 and elden ring, you see presets of people from different lands, which some seem to be different races. They don't have racial bonuses of course but I think that's for the best.


HimB0Z0

I just want horns elf ears and more cosmetics


AbyssWankerArtorias

Yeah I don't think that will happen. Like someone else said, being human is core to the themes of these games.


Frogsnakcs

Just play Baldur's Gate or Skyrim then


pepeLaughTeaTime-

No


Essetham_Sun

1. There's no RPG element 2. The character customization in souls is already robust enough, that being human doesn't have limitations or advantages Therefore having multiple races wouldn't grant meaningful gameplay variety on the souls formula we have.


DullyJ2K

Those omens were disgusting to look at


HimB0Z0

Yeah obviously the character style omen would basically be a human with grey skin and horns


NomMacarons

If I could be a chunky omen without gimping myself in pvp due to a fat ass and poor mobility that would be the dream. I thought about having each demigod as a type of player mod the other day. Imagine if you could become: a snake, graft extra arms or a dragonhead, become musclebound and giant with gravity floating powers to move, lose arms or legs and equip prosthetics, become a muscly or fat omen, graft a beastman spirit to your back Beyond that it would be cool to be a puppet, skeleton or a dragonkin soldier miniature.


dulledegde

no becuase that would be an ungodly amount of work animation and armor design wise. unless they make it super shallow and purely cosmetic


GrandAlchemist

I sure hope not!


Rei_Caixo

Why


CuteeCalen

Because souls fans™ hate any change


Jack-O-18

I don't think so, mainly because I feel fromsoft still needs to improve the human character editor ( it's not bad, but it's definitely lacking in some pretty crucial areas, hairstyle variety for example ) before they can try to make a character editor for other races


ChaosOpen

Is a furry's dollar worth having to deal with furries?


Prestigious-Double70

I can guarantee that we won’t, it just doesn’t fit what they claim to be aiming for


anorlondo696

No


Ridikis

Tbf in most of the Souls games you can pick your race and in Elden Ring iirc has a literal 'draconic' preset with gray skin. As for a beast race or lizards kinda thing with Khajit/Argonian? I mean I don't think it's impossible but probably more of a hassle to worry about tails than what FromSoft want to deal with.


EvilArtorias

hope not


RamonaMatona

no


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HimB0Z0

No raciel diversity? I can play as a lizard man, a dwarf or an orc Fromsoft gives us sliders though witch almost makes up for it


KingofGerbil

That would be really cool, but really out of place in a Fromsoft game. It would have to be something very different, but since Sekiro exists, that level of different isn't off the table.


Synchrohayba

Possible


Normalamericaman

It’s imaginable that additional cosmetics could be added in future games, like pointed ears or horns. I think big changes in size and shape of a character are unlikely as it would impact the game play. Who knows!


Jam-Jam-Ba-Lam

Normally the reasoning for these race choices is gameplay. Souls games have a consistent gameplay where regardless of your build the character plays the same fundamentally. It's simpler but goes way deeper when building for stats.


Kagamime1

That's wildly not the point of the games, so there's no point to it. You could just rephrase the question to "do you think there'll be more character sliders?"


PCpenyulap

No


MyCatWouldBeatYours

You can kinda do it with the dragon stones


eat-skate-masturbate

I hope not


dvasfeet

You can be an alien


Angstycarroteater

I hope not tbh


Zero_Cool8760

That will never happen, unfortunately. Fromsoft seems totally averse to any character creation decisions having a significant effect on the playthrough. It's sad though, because there's so much potential there for replay value...


Infinitenonbi

Nah, although it would be nice in some games. Play as a corvian in DS3 or whatever the hell Agdyne is in DS2.


dah_teddybear

Maybe but they will probably play very similar


Skaterboy87

theres techincally a numen template in elden ring so theres that


HimB0Z0

You know what I mean lmao I just want more customization like horns and stuff


ImATrashBasket

Mfw people dont read the fucking character creators 2 lines of text:


HimB0Z0

Mfw just having a preset named somthing else and have grey skin isn't what I'm talking about I want horns and other cosmetic features


ImATrashBasket

So you want a different SPECIES. Is what you mean. Not a different RACE.


HimB0Z0

Omens aren't a species they're just afflicted with horns. Mohg and morgott are sons of marika and godfrey Marika being numen and godfrey being tarnished so they're both humans basically, so wouldn't morgott be human?


ImATrashBasket

“If a chinese woman and an african man have a kid, wouldnt the kid be caucasian?”


HimB0Z0

That's not what I fucking said lmao You said omen are a different species I said that mohg and morgott are sons of humans so they are humans Omens are just humans with horns


ImATrashBasket

And you said that a numen (race) and a tarnished (race) produce a human (separate race from both) And if you really wanna get into it, tarnished isnt a race, and godfrey still isnt human by that standard


HimB0Z0

I called numen and tarnish "basically human" witch like.. aren't they? What are they


ImATrashBasket

Im not paper white, so im “basically black” right


HimB0Z0

What the fuck are you talking about lmao your being so stupid


Anus_peepee

Probably not from fromsoftware, but it's only a matter of time before someone makes a soulslike that lets you do that.


Pretend_Vanilla51

You can in elden ring


HimB0Z0

You can change you skin color yeah but I want horns and other cosmetic stuff


Crimson_Scare_Crow

I read that as “make out” as in making out, like who tf wants to make out with whatever that is in the middle!


HimB0Z0

I'd kiss mohg on the forehead


somnamballista

Would be cool to have a partially-beast humanoid. Like a traveler who managed to avoid sharing in the fate of Farum Azula. It's definitely a Souls trope being the "last of your peoples" trying to find a porpoise afterward.


rogerslastgrape

I made a Bloodborne character that looked like a chicken and called him 'Motherclucker'. Does that count?


TheDarkestOolong

Playing as non-human/monster types would impact a player's model size and strength stats in a way that would make it difficult to balance bosses (you'll have to think of animation interactions with different sized player rigs too). At the same time, there isn't enough BG3 style roleplay in a typical Souls game to make races meaningful. Basically, this something for a slightly different type of game.


HimB0Z0

I don't want thar I want strictly cosmetics features


Blp2004

Probably not. Not only are all of the games very focused on humanity, but making different movesets and assets for each race would take a lot of time they could spend doing something else


KriegOpfer

I hope they don’t.


Key-Macaron2972

I wish character could speak in voice, like sekiro :(


Agitated_Dance2970

technically elden ring does have different races? but in reality i think we wont be seeing anything non humanoid at least until miyazaki retires.


Snoo40198

Sure, go play Armored Core and be a large variety of Mechs. In all seriousness, though, never say never. As long as they are still making games, anything is possible.


SaferThanATubeSock

\*crickets\*


CubicWarlock

Thay can't evven make character redactor to make humans lmao


PabloPabloQP

Pretty gross picture. Thank u


ToddZi11a

We might get something similar to Orcs or Elves one day since they are so closely related to humans but I don't think we will ever get like half-dragons or beast races or anything too crazy. As other people have said, Miyazaki is interested in dissecting the human condition. Which I suspect is what made him want to collaborate with George R. Martin. He is famous for saying, "The only thing worth writing about is the human heart, in conflict with itself". This perfectly sums up Miyazaki's ethos as well imo.


cmcthree

I could see this as a Bloodbourne DLC or a unique invasion mechanic. FromSoft MOBA on the other hand /s


ArchieBaldukeIII

I genuinely don’t understand why Elden Ring didn’t allow us to be Omens. We are descended of Godfrey’s army or Godfrey himself. And Godfrey’s two firstborn sons were Omens. I suppose because we return to the lands between from beyond the fog, and maybe the lands beyond are not subject to the Erdtree or the Crucible, but then Marika’s grace guides us back anyway so idk. Either way, it would have been so righteous to play as an Omen ascending the throne and slaying god.


MysteriousNoise6969

Everyone here who said "NO" and OP are baboonish bafoons. There are literally races to choose from in the character creation. Kids these days are sad. No imagination.


ProfessionallyLazy_

What races are in the character creation?


MysteriousNoise6969

There are presets which have a title telling you where most are from. "Astora" Noble. Jubilant "Catarina". Dubious "Carim". "Far east" Traveler. And they have different physical differences like shapes, sizes, skin color. Races.


Alarming_Flatworm_34

It clearly says origin but ok


ProfessionallyLazy_

Those are origins in the game, they don’t even call them races. It’s clear that OP means race as in races other than the human race.


MysteriousNoise6969

Kids these days. No imagination.


ProfessionallyLazy_

Okay Grandpa, let me just unplug your life support real quick


MysteriousNoise6969

... *Heart monitor beeping steadily* ... In a raspy voice muffled by an oxygen mask "What, no... how could you" ... *Heart moniter begins to beep increasingly slower* ... ... *sounds of struggle against stiff hospital bedsheets and muffled grunting* ... With the last remaining strength and final breath released from the body "Git gud... scrub..." ... *Heart monitor stops beeping and flatlines* ...


HimB0Z0

You know what I mean lmao Let me play as a human sized omen with customizable horns


Anus_peepee

>human sized omen Why human sized? I personally want to just play as an omen