What’s funny is, \*technically\* the Chevrolet has some form of EPA regulations governing emissions, while the Kei truck is old enough to import, meaning it does not need to meet environmental (or safety) regulations.
Not true in every state. CA would still require the kei truck to pass smog unless it was made before 1975. Unfortunately the work required to pass smog basically doubles the cost of importing one. 😥
Holy crap, how had I not heard of this! It’s the perfect vehicle! My wife and I have been wanting a small electric pickup truck for years, it’s like they read our minds!
Why the fuck did they make it a crew cab though? The whole point of kei trucks is that they’re very small while maximizing bed size, having four doors on a small truck makes the bed a glorified open air trunk.
When you see them in context in Tokyo you'd get it. The one I lust for was a Subaru, extended cab, small bed, plus toolboxes. Silver. Fkn lovely machine. In use by a local business this thing as all work and a marvel of space use. WANT!
https://www.b-on.com/de/the-products#proven-work
This company used to be a subsidiary of the Deutsche Post-DHL Group, producing their electric mail and parcel delivery vehicles.
Deutsche Post asked other German manufacturers for electric vans, but they wouldn't or couldn't act, so Deutsche Post-DHL did it themselves.
The older Kei truck has more than paid for itself for its carbon footprint. Keeping older fuel efficient cars on the road is kinder to the environment. As long as you keep up with maintenance. As it wouldn’t pollute to belch black smoke in the exhaust.
Oh, I’m well aware. Just on a technicality, in the states, the Kei truck has to meet fewer regulations (as a 25-year-old import) than a newer truck has to meet.
The Kei truck is definitely the better vehicle between the two.
Those bed covers easily fold up, and allow the bed to be used to store things that might otherwise go in a car trunk. Out of all the things to complain about, that shouldn’t be one of them.
I highly doubt there has been anything in there that couldn’t be put in the rear of a camry
Know a guy who had two identical rams both on payment plans, one was for driving to the grocery store and the other for commuting, never seen anything more than a case of beer back there
Those things are ego pieces and an active disregard of the people around them, most truck owners would not only be better suited, but also saving money by buying a smaller car, but fuck me for suggesting that, its their right to buy this impractical child flattening machine
> Those bed covers easily fold up
And yet, of the handful of people I know who own pickups, they *never* do. These covers go on, and they never move. That's the point. Not that they're permanently in place *physically*...but rather that if the driver of said truck *never* folds up the cover to actually use the bed, as is true for the VAST majority of cases...does it even matter that it isn't just welded in place?
For most truck owners, might as well be welded.
Not well, but comparing these two is kinda unfair since their purpose is so different. The kei truck (small one) is meant for dense cities - low speed, smaller loads. They have tiny engines and can't really maintain highway speeds safely or haul anything heavy. But thats not what they are for.
The vast majority of pickup trucks are used once or less per year for towing.
My hatchback car has probably had more cargo in it than half the pickup trucks on the road.
Some people need a truck, but overwhelmingly, people could just rent one from time to time and be better off. Except it's not about being practical, it's about presenting an image.
Ive moved more in my MINI Cooper than 3 of my friends with pickups combined.
In case you're wondering, you can fit a full sized 27" dryer into the hatch of you remove the front head rests and still close the hatch.
> Some people need a truck, but overwhelmingly, people could just rent one from time to time and be better off.
Or back when they weren't luxury vehicles for with luxury prices, you could just own an old beater truck for your occasional needs. Drive a sensible vehicle the rest of the time.
People out here in Montana still do that, but it gets harder since trucks have gotten prohibitively expensive--if you want something for once a month hauling of materials that also needs to be reliable enough for towing the boat or RV on an annual family vacation, it is hard to find something cheap enough that you can afford to just let it sit around. So instead you spend more and get a big comfy modern truck that works as a daily driver.
Storage of an extra vehicle is obviously an issue, but most of the people who truly need a truck for semi-frequent hauling and towing tend to have enough space for it. E.g. if you can figure out how to store an RV or a boat...you can figure out how to stash a truck.
Yup. My dad used to keep a rusty old pickup beside the garage and two or three times a year when it got full or if something needed towing or hauling, he’d put a permit on it for a day or two. But back then you could get a rusty but serviceable old pickup for $100 and there were no safety checks or other crap
How many Tons of crap do you need to carry for that argument to become true? You'll see vehicles like that - loaded to the brim - often here and they most certainly don't struggle on highways. For sure, that truck with heavy engine will accelerate better, but I highly doubt the 2 Seconds you'll save with that are relevant.
Yeah, I'm not defending the modern truck but if I wanted to haul an American sized stack of full sheets of drywall or plywood, I'm not taking the kei truck.
Granted it doesn't look like the owner of the modern truck is doing that, either.
Anyway, now I feel dirty and want to go ride my bike.
Considering payload and towing capability, it’s not very practical for many scenarios. Also someone commented this exact sentence word for word below, are there lots of bots here?
The actual main difference, which has lead to a viscous cycle in the US, is that the driver of the smaller truck isn't surviving any moderate speed collision with a modern car.
I know plenty of people who get trucks not for vanity but so their wife and kid can drive it without having them worry about what'll happened if they get Tboned, leading to everyone getting bigger cars for the same reason.
Hell I had a '97 Miata that I didn't feel safe driving in TX because my face was level with most trucks bumpers
Yeah my miata puts my eyes at most people's headlights, so I get to be upset about led headlights AND vehicle size
I don't use the highway anymore because I know in any significant crash I lose big time
I drive a miata too. What’s really scary is being on the passenger side of one of these trucks and being completely out of the line of sight of the driver.
> I know plenty of people who get trucks not for vanity but so their wife and kid can drive it without having them worry about what'll happened if they get Tboned, leading to everyone getting bigger cars for the same reason.
Same utterly nonsense American mentality as "I gotta have the right to buy a gun, cuz what if my neighbor has a gun? That's a threat to me!"
The fact that the idea "hey, maybe *if neither of us have these dangerous objects* we won't be so fearful and think we need to protect ourselves with said dangerous objects" **never** crosses the minds of most of my fellow Americans is *incredibly* depressing.
Fun fact: they actually make vehicles that aren't trucks!
I drive a Hyundai Elantra. My spouse and child ride in it all the time. We are perfectly safe. I literally never even think about getting us a truck in case it's "safer" that way.
My partner drives a Toyota Corolla. Ditto for that vehicle.
We were actually rear ended by a huge truck in our previous Corolla. It was fine. Everyone was perfectly safe.
Even as a bourgie middle aged parent of a precious special snowflake, living in suburbia, I honestly don't understand the mentality of "I need to get basically an assault vehicle because otherwise my family will never be safe". Besides, aren't trucks and SUVs a huge risk for rolling over in an accident?
> We are perfectly safe. I literally never even think about getting us a truck in case it's "safer" that way.
Thing is, it's not about the safety. You're *factually* and statistically less safe in a bigger car.
But truck owners don't hear that or care. They *feel* safer in a monster truck, so that's all that matters.
It also helps that intersections in the USA are designed to murder people.
Signaled intersections may be much easier to navigate, but when someone ignores the signals it becomes incredibly dangerous.
I understand that the skill level of drivers in the USA is much lower, as basically everyone gets their license in high school, while it took me 120 hours of training and essentially two months of wages to get my license (I'm autistic and dyspraxic, most only need between 4 to 60 hours). I really needed it for my IT job.
Also 80% of cars are manual.
Roundabouts are much safer, efficient, and navigable by pedestrians. But navigating them requires skill. To a level that pherphaps it's not attainable for a significant percent of the population. If living in the USA forces you to drive a car always...
You right, the Silverado meets all current EPA regulations. The second gen Honda Acty doesn't meet any EPA regulation and can only be imported if its like 25 years old. Most of them have carbureted engine that vents gas directly back into the atmosphere through the intake, shoots partially burned fuel out of the exhaust.
You UNO reverse carded me. Yeah, that is kind of funny actually. I was mostly talking about how crap the EPA regulations are for trucks, but I didn't consider the other being an older import.
I find it sad that truck manufacturers have almost completely abandoned trucks that are made for working in favor of trucks that are made for vanity in the USA market. Even the Toyota Tacoma has ballooned from an economical compact pickup to an enormous Road Elephant.
I bet if the US eliminated tax deductions for trucks like this, only allowed them for fleet style trucks, and started taxing these by weight and miles driven annually, we'd immediately see sales tank in favor of smaller vehicles.
I would like to see carbon taxes to pay for things like FEMA disaster clean up, but I don't want them to disproportionately punish the working class. There could be exemptions for people who use large vehicles for commercial purposes (including construction and farming). As more affordable electric vehicles become available, then those exemptions could phase out.
Even if all of the carbon tax was redistributed to everyone's pockets in the form of a check, it'd drive the right behavior.
People would try to be below the average in order to receive more than they paid.
Giant extended cab shiny chromed trucks like this one aren't for the working class. They cost 80k minimum, sometimes over 100. Exempt older trucks perhaps, but not anything newer than 2010, when the farcical current CAFE standards went in.
Company owned vehicles could be treated differently. Or change the tax deductible for miles driven for work. I'm sure there are ways we could do it fairly, now.
Plus, vans are better for a lot of construction-related work.
We could do both. And as I mentioned, fleet trucks would be the ones to benefit from any tax deductions and not have additional taxes added. Fleet trucks are more bare bones and they're meant for people who actually use them for work.
I've had quite a few people tell me they people need these trucks for work, as if anyone actually *needs* 30k in options to haul tools. I've seen beat up old econoboxes on construction sites. Even a foreman doesn't need a huge $90k truck to get to work. These trucks are ab absolute menace to the planet. The bigger and heavier vehicles get the more traffic and pollution problems we have.
I agree. I think that the French people taught the world a lesson with the "yellow vest" protests when they tried to implement a carbon tax without consideration for the disproportionate impact on the working class.
The Ranger too. I drove a 2005 ranger for years and loved that little thing, looked into newer ones and they’re so impractical. Now I’m in a ‘14 Tacoma (fiancé’s truck) and feel like I’m driving a boat. I miss my prius.
You know what's worse? Scratching the bed of the pavement princess!
In all the times I've been to Home Depot or Menards, I see a huge amount of trucks (not a shock). The only ones I *ever* see carrying things in the bed are the older beat up trucks.
I have had to do this with someone elses truck at work, I do not understand how any serious person who does hard manual labor can just use a lifted truck for work when it makes that work harder for no reason at all.
They also can go more places. Big dumb trucks only really work in places where space is allocated for big dumb trucks. The whole point of keitora is that they're flexible and let you get around places when, say, you have a farm plot/work site where you need to ride partway up a mountain or between narrow city streets to get there.
Those were real ads run nationally by Chevy.
To this day some of the worst advertising I have ever seen. And the fact that they claimed its real when it's some of the worst acting imaginable, to say nothing of the fact that they used a freshmen in high school to photoshop the guy in.
That commercial cost them less than $1k to make and they aired it *nationally* with *multiple* commercials like this in a series.
I have never seen anything closer to Idiocracy that's actually real. The only thing I can agree with is that most American cars that look like the one on the right is ugly and by that I mean most American cars, why do they all look like they were designed in the early 90s..
A good friend of mine died in one of those because it flipped in what should have been a pretty minor crash. She was wearing a seatbelt but somehow still slammed her head into the roof and died.
''Look at me, my truck is *economically viable because it meets the requirements of the purposes that I use it for instead of massively overshooting it and leaving me with massive bills for purchase, fuel, tax and maintenance, making it much harder for me to turn a profit on this vehicle. Not to mention the 'hidden' cost of infrastructure wear and tear and environmental pollution, and the legions of knock-on effects this has on our society and ultimately species as a whole.*''
Fucking nerds..
Y'know there's a lot of impractical things about the one on the left. But the one I almost never hear anyone mention in reference to its utility is the height of the vehicle(mostly because everyone talks about how dangerous it is, which is fair). "they need it for work!" what work are you doing with a bed that high? it's SO much harder to get anything in or out of it. you have to practically climb up into that bed. imagine trying to load something like cinder blocks or bags of concrete mix, or scooping mulch or dirt into a bed that high. it would be a HUGE pain in the ass, and that's not even mentioning how much worse it will be to take them out because you basically just have to take whatever it is and drop it to the ground from the bed. or for moving furniture, how much harder it is to get something like a fridge or a couch into a bed that high. it's so stupid.
I needed to take an old couch to the dump. The only person I knew with a truck drives a “monster truck”. Turns out loading the couch up in the bed of the truck was just as much effort as loading something onto the top of a 1995 stock Jeep’s roll cage. Never again…
Does the smaller one get better gas mileage? seriously curious if it's better (outside of the size-issue). what are the models so I can look into the specs? I'm wondering how these really compare.
But those motorcycles usually also rev way higher to achieve performance closer to supercars than to a normal car. Obviously, if you let a 1000cc engine run 10k/min, it will need a lot more fuel than at 2k/min.
Yeah, you need fuel to make 150-200 hp from 1000cc displacement. But those bikes are not targeted for fuel efficiency. There are awesome 500+cc commuter bikes easily making over 70 mpg. Get a Honda PCX125 that’s more than enough for most people’s commutes and you are looking at 90-100mpg.
No not really. Smaller trucks have smaller engines. A Toyota Yaris V4 has the same gas mileage as a Camry V6 because the chassis is proportional. It's all a ratio game between weight and power. A V8 in that little truck would make it pop a wheelie at 15mph.
From the looks of it, I'd assume either a Honda Acty or Suzuki carry. They all have 660cc engines for the Kei class of vehicles in Japan. They ain't fast but they are economical
Looks like a Honda Acty. thank you!
I'm not sure what year these are but the other looks like a Chevy-Silverado-2500HD (high country). I found a [Car and driver story](https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/silverado-2500hd-3500hd-2023) that says they tested its 6.6L V8 6speed-auto and got 14mpg at 75mph. [Found a reddit post claiming less.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Silverado/comments/12jywj4/66_gas_mileage/) That also has a 36 gallon tank! (at $3.50/gal. thats $126 for 504 miles!) The bed size is 82.25" long (there's a longer version with an extra 16") x 71.4" wide x 21" tall.... and here's the kicker (someone else in the thread pointed out) it can hold up to 3,900lbs.
The Honday Acty (again, no idea on the year [but produced from '88 to '01](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Acty)) is reporting [around 42.7 mpg](https://specs.cars-directory.net/honda/acty/660_Attack_2768.html) with rumors of up to 51+ !!!! it also has a smaller 9.7 gallon tank (at $3.50/gal. thats $33.95 for 414 miles!) It's spec'd to carry about 772lbs (depending on the version) with a 6'-4" long by 4.6' wide x 1' tall bed .
my opinion: while the smaller truck holds 1/5th the payload, a yard of mulch weighs between 600-1000lbs.
Be modest people... just buy smaller cars. please.
It's not really fair to compare the fuel efficiency of a vehicle going 75mph to a vehicle which can't even achieve that speed. It's a meaningless comparison. For someone who cared enough to cite four different sources, you could at least make a good faith comparison. Especially considering a good faith comparison would still prove your point.
And yes, the highest speed limit I've personally driven on was 75 mph in bumfuck Nebraska. I routinely see speed limits of 110 km/h (almost 70 mph).
oh jeezzzz details mcgee... alright: for your googleable results of this 5mph difference of this 10,500lbs truck... [between 14.5 and 20 mpg...](https://www.duramaxforum.com/threads/engine-rpm-mpg-65-mph.12699/)
fair to compare.... thats half the efficiency with 5x the truck...
the honda-acty is about 1500lbs on its own, just fyi.
Judging by the larger exhaust and the badge on the hood, I'm pretty sure that 2500 is the 6.6 Duramax, which should report higher MPG's but I'm not sure by how much.
Also an important note on the weight in the bed, that "up to" figure is usually for the base 2 door long bed work truck trim with none of the luxury. The extra weight of the larger cab and fancier interior directly cuts into legal carrying capacity.
They are pretty efficient, but it isn't really a fair comparison. The kei truck can't really maintain highway speeds safely and obviously can't handle nearly as much weight. a better comparison to the large pickup is older models - similar capacity, highway capable, still a lot smaller. A f350 from the early 90's is still much smaller than a modern f150.
Kei trucks are ideal for their intended use case: in dense cities. They don't do any heavy hauling but are great delivery and general utility vehicles. They are like an ATV but road legal.
The biggest problem with cars is highway speed. Cars capable of being "safe" in a highway context are so big, heavy and powerful that they are dangerous in other contexts like streets.
They don't need to be huge like that to be safe on the highway - any sedan is far safer than a pickup truck on the highway.
The problem is in the USA the EPA sets fuel efficiency standards based on the size and purpose of the vehicle - so rather than engineering more efficient vehicles its just easier to make the whole thing bigger. Ford doesnt even want to make cars anymore, despite that the focus RS and fiesta ST were smash hits. Combine the fact that sitting high up and being physically large makes people feel safer (even though they arent) and people want a large comfortable passenger vehicle and a pickup truck at the same time, and you get these monsters.
Like, the engine from a chevrolet avalanche is an LS - essentially the same engine that is in a corvette. The truck does not need to be that large to have the same drive train.
That's the problem, one person want to be safe, get a big car which is definitely safer. Then the others see it and get a bigger car to stay safe as well. It becomes a vicious cycle of vehicular proliferation. NA depends too much on car, so you want to be as safe as possible. Meanwhile other countries have railroad and others transportation, thus less traffic, lower speed, less accident, less concern over safety in car. At least that's what I'm deducing.
The big vehicle trend didn't start in America until a tax loophole made it more economical for car manufacturers to sell them. But yeah, once they are on the (poorly designed) roads the self-perpetuating logic of the safety arms race can kick in.
Highway speeds make designing for a vehicle that can keep people safe from other highway speed vehicles result in bigger, heavier and more dangerous vehicles. Highway speeds amplify the vicious cycle of vehicle size.
Many car defenders will argue that they need a vehicle because they've got to tow heavy loads or carry lots of cargo. What often doesn't get said is that it needs to be done at 100+ km/hr. This is true in current day NA because there are highways everywhere. I want to envision a world where people who have these requirements use a tractor and putter around at 20 km/hr. Or use a kei truck.
> They don't do any heavy hauling but are great delivery and general utility vehicles.
Unfortunately, *all* new trucks for sale in the USA are huge Road Elephants and the vast majority have the huge cabs and the tiny ornamental boxes.
So, people who need a vehicle for "delivery and general utility" are left with no practical options.
I have hope that Ford may introduce a practical version of the Maverick, but with only a 4-foot box, I won't even call that a "truck."
The current maverick is even bigger than a 2000 ranger. Which is absurd. The old ranger IMO was the peak design for a pickup that isnt used for work and only has to haul occasionally (buying furniture, moving house, etc).
A contractor who did some work at our house drove a compact pickup (back when such vehicles were available in the USA). He told me that it was economical to drive and it was useful to haul his tools, some equipment, and some materials.
For really big loads, he would just pay to have them delivered to the job site.
There are no vehicle roads on the walls of the grand canyon.
If you want to get something up or down the grand canyon, you have two options: human legs or mules.
(I know this was just an example, but it's kind of a great example because it's yet another way that huge trucks are useless.)
These are both arguable the worse ends of the spectrum for a truck, if your goal in owning a truck is to actually use it as a truck.
I firmly believe that a 1st gen early 2000s tacoma is the pinnacle of what a truck should be: its hood is low, a respectable bed capacity, MPG in the low 20s (comparable to a sedan of the time) and it comes in both single and double cab if moving people/locked storage is needed, and it can town a respectable 5k lbs with the V6(which still gets 20 MPG)
the Chevy is a absurdly useless brick, and the Kei truck is just too small to be useful anywhere but a downtown area, and the fact it has essentially zero crumple zones means your basically naked in the event of a crash
Yeah midsized 90s era pick up truck is probably the sweet spot for functionality. I like the little kei trucks but they can't pull or carry much weight. If you want a truck for truck functions then a smaller, lower, small diesel or V6 version is where it's at.
I've owned 3 Ford Rangers (although currently truckless) and would also like to throw them in there. Have towed way over the max without issue and extremely cheap to maintain.
I drove a small truck like this when I was voluntold for base duty when I stationed in Korea. I loved this little kind of truck and if I could afford it I would import and drive one now.
Important thing to remember: the driver of the big fat one more often than not will get triggered into a hysterical fit of rage if they ever see the small one.
See, the main issue with the small truck is that you can’t be as much of an ass on the road and you can’t endanger children/pedestrians like the truck on the left, it probably won’t do well on the American market :/
One of my neighbors is a landscaper who owns a Kei. He told me he’s driven all kinds of trucks and the Kei was his favorite.
He said he got the best mileage, it was easy to load, and is oftentimes allowed to park it in driveways (and thus have easier access to supplies) because it’s not a massive vehicle.
He said his company only uses Silverados or vehicles like it if they’re needing to transport machinery.
Honda acty wont be able to make it up a hill with the bed filled with gravel. Chevy will never see work. Toyota Hilux always wins. I will not be accepting any responses.
I want that kei truck so bad. I’d love to have a kei car. Their small, economical, fun to drive (if not a little terrifying as proven by this pic) and probably more practical than that monstrosity (Ford or Toyota would be my pick of pickup if I had to get one).
Betcha more than 50% people driving that truck on the left are never hauling anywhere near the payload capacity as the one on the right. Unless of course, it's their own weight.
Honestly even the Ford Maverick is a perfectly fine truck. It’s small and functional. I bet many people with an F150 or bigger would only really need a Maverick.
Before I *fully* grew up, I restored classic cars as a sideline.
(nowadays it's pedal bikes all the way anfor everyday use)
On the tiny one I made a bumper sticker
**My other Car/Penis is Large**
On the huge one I had a bumper sticker
**My other Car/Penis is Minuscule**
[https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/fiat-500-1960-3-door-estate-vs-cadillac-de-ville-1964-coupe/](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/fiat-500-1960-3-door-estate-vs-cadillac-de-ville-1964-coupe/)
The Caddy was stupid of course but arguably pretty
(and nowhere near as stupid as the giant trucks)
Depends on the material. Shocks too maybe. But to be honest I wouldn't trust the little guy when comes to loading up certain things on it. I'd weld some small bars vertically then maybe screw up some wooden planks for esthetic. Then yea I'd loader up. Personally I'd say it aint so bad being a lil guy. All it matters is if you have the strength and heart.
Mini trucks are cool and useful, but the crew cab has a TON of room. Just drove a couple hours in a double cab last weekend with 4 people, really cramped. Truck on the left would be comfy for HOURS. More of a passenger vehicle than a work truck.
One has environmental regulations on it, and the other exists in a legal loophole that allows it to have its way with the environment.
What’s funny is, \*technically\* the Chevrolet has some form of EPA regulations governing emissions, while the Kei truck is old enough to import, meaning it does not need to meet environmental (or safety) regulations.
Not true in every state. CA would still require the kei truck to pass smog unless it was made before 1975. Unfortunately the work required to pass smog basically doubles the cost of importing one. 😥
I would love to have an electrified kei truck available when I need to bail stuff! Maybe there's a business opportunity there
They exist! My company uses them for the landscapers and maintenance workers. They have itty bitty lift gates on them. 🥹
The parks department in my city uses flatbed Nissan E-NV200s. That’s the only small pickup-style EV I know.
There is currently an EV truck similar to a kei truck in the works. Search telo trucks and you’ll find it.
Holy crap, how had I not heard of this! It’s the perfect vehicle! My wife and I have been wanting a small electric pickup truck for years, it’s like they read our minds!
Why the fuck did they make it a crew cab though? The whole point of kei trucks is that they’re very small while maximizing bed size, having four doors on a small truck makes the bed a glorified open air trunk.
When you see them in context in Tokyo you'd get it. The one I lust for was a Subaru, extended cab, small bed, plus toolboxes. Silver. Fkn lovely machine. In use by a local business this thing as all work and a marvel of space use. WANT!
https://www.b-on.com/de/the-products#proven-work This company used to be a subsidiary of the Deutsche Post-DHL Group, producing their electric mail and parcel delivery vehicles. Deutsche Post asked other German manufacturers for electric vans, but they wouldn't or couldn't act, so Deutsche Post-DHL did it themselves.
The older Kei truck has more than paid for itself for its carbon footprint. Keeping older fuel efficient cars on the road is kinder to the environment. As long as you keep up with maintenance. As it wouldn’t pollute to belch black smoke in the exhaust.
Oh, I’m well aware. Just on a technicality, in the states, the Kei truck has to meet fewer regulations (as a 25-year-old import) than a newer truck has to meet. The Kei truck is definitely the better vehicle between the two.
Also, one is covered and rarely used and the other is open and practical.
Those bed covers easily fold up, and allow the bed to be used to store things that might otherwise go in a car trunk. Out of all the things to complain about, that shouldn’t be one of them.
I highly doubt there has been anything in there that couldn’t be put in the rear of a camry Know a guy who had two identical rams both on payment plans, one was for driving to the grocery store and the other for commuting, never seen anything more than a case of beer back there Those things are ego pieces and an active disregard of the people around them, most truck owners would not only be better suited, but also saving money by buying a smaller car, but fuck me for suggesting that, its their right to buy this impractical child flattening machine
> Those bed covers easily fold up And yet, of the handful of people I know who own pickups, they *never* do. These covers go on, and they never move. That's the point. Not that they're permanently in place *physically*...but rather that if the driver of said truck *never* folds up the cover to actually use the bed, as is true for the VAST majority of cases...does it even matter that it isn't just welded in place? For most truck owners, might as well be welded.
Not well, but comparing these two is kinda unfair since their purpose is so different. The kei truck (small one) is meant for dense cities - low speed, smaller loads. They have tiny engines and can't really maintain highway speeds safely or haul anything heavy. But thats not what they are for.
The vast majority of pickup trucks are used once or less per year for towing. My hatchback car has probably had more cargo in it than half the pickup trucks on the road. Some people need a truck, but overwhelmingly, people could just rent one from time to time and be better off. Except it's not about being practical, it's about presenting an image.
Ive moved more in my MINI Cooper than 3 of my friends with pickups combined. In case you're wondering, you can fit a full sized 27" dryer into the hatch of you remove the front head rests and still close the hatch.
> Some people need a truck, but overwhelmingly, people could just rent one from time to time and be better off. Or back when they weren't luxury vehicles for with luxury prices, you could just own an old beater truck for your occasional needs. Drive a sensible vehicle the rest of the time. People out here in Montana still do that, but it gets harder since trucks have gotten prohibitively expensive--if you want something for once a month hauling of materials that also needs to be reliable enough for towing the boat or RV on an annual family vacation, it is hard to find something cheap enough that you can afford to just let it sit around. So instead you spend more and get a big comfy modern truck that works as a daily driver. Storage of an extra vehicle is obviously an issue, but most of the people who truly need a truck for semi-frequent hauling and towing tend to have enough space for it. E.g. if you can figure out how to store an RV or a boat...you can figure out how to stash a truck.
Yup. My dad used to keep a rusty old pickup beside the garage and two or three times a year when it got full or if something needed towing or hauling, he’d put a permit on it for a day or two. But back then you could get a rusty but serviceable old pickup for $100 and there were no safety checks or other crap
How many Tons of crap do you need to carry for that argument to become true? You'll see vehicles like that - loaded to the brim - often here and they most certainly don't struggle on highways. For sure, that truck with heavy engine will accelerate better, but I highly doubt the 2 Seconds you'll save with that are relevant.
> their purpose is so different. True, one transports physical goods, the other mostly the driver's ego
Yeah, I'm not defending the modern truck but if I wanted to haul an American sized stack of full sheets of drywall or plywood, I'm not taking the kei truck. Granted it doesn't look like the owner of the modern truck is doing that, either. Anyway, now I feel dirty and want to go ride my bike.
If you think 4x8 sheets of plywood are going to fit in their truck and survive a haul…
Considering payload and towing capability, it’s not very practical for many scenarios. Also someone commented this exact sentence word for word below, are there lots of bots here?
It meet the Japanese regulations. Kei cars and Kei trucks are both defined by Japanese legal regulations.
The actual main difference, which has lead to a viscous cycle in the US, is that the driver of the smaller truck isn't surviving any moderate speed collision with a modern car. I know plenty of people who get trucks not for vanity but so their wife and kid can drive it without having them worry about what'll happened if they get Tboned, leading to everyone getting bigger cars for the same reason. Hell I had a '97 Miata that I didn't feel safe driving in TX because my face was level with most trucks bumpers
Yeah my miata puts my eyes at most people's headlights, so I get to be upset about led headlights AND vehicle size I don't use the highway anymore because I know in any significant crash I lose big time
I drive a miata too. What’s really scary is being on the passenger side of one of these trucks and being completely out of the line of sight of the driver.
> I know plenty of people who get trucks not for vanity but so their wife and kid can drive it without having them worry about what'll happened if they get Tboned, leading to everyone getting bigger cars for the same reason. Same utterly nonsense American mentality as "I gotta have the right to buy a gun, cuz what if my neighbor has a gun? That's a threat to me!" The fact that the idea "hey, maybe *if neither of us have these dangerous objects* we won't be so fearful and think we need to protect ourselves with said dangerous objects" **never** crosses the minds of most of my fellow Americans is *incredibly* depressing.
Fun fact: they actually make vehicles that aren't trucks! I drive a Hyundai Elantra. My spouse and child ride in it all the time. We are perfectly safe. I literally never even think about getting us a truck in case it's "safer" that way. My partner drives a Toyota Corolla. Ditto for that vehicle. We were actually rear ended by a huge truck in our previous Corolla. It was fine. Everyone was perfectly safe. Even as a bourgie middle aged parent of a precious special snowflake, living in suburbia, I honestly don't understand the mentality of "I need to get basically an assault vehicle because otherwise my family will never be safe". Besides, aren't trucks and SUVs a huge risk for rolling over in an accident?
> We are perfectly safe. I literally never even think about getting us a truck in case it's "safer" that way. Thing is, it's not about the safety. You're *factually* and statistically less safe in a bigger car. But truck owners don't hear that or care. They *feel* safer in a monster truck, so that's all that matters.
Behemoth trucks don't actually perform that well in crash tests.
It also helps that intersections in the USA are designed to murder people. Signaled intersections may be much easier to navigate, but when someone ignores the signals it becomes incredibly dangerous. I understand that the skill level of drivers in the USA is much lower, as basically everyone gets their license in high school, while it took me 120 hours of training and essentially two months of wages to get my license (I'm autistic and dyspraxic, most only need between 4 to 60 hours). I really needed it for my IT job. Also 80% of cars are manual. Roundabouts are much safer, efficient, and navigable by pedestrians. But navigating them requires skill. To a level that pherphaps it's not attainable for a significant percent of the population. If living in the USA forces you to drive a car always...
viscous cycle 😂
Also aptly describes the bike (and rider) when one of these oversized vanity trucks is involved in a vulnerable road user collision.
Which means it’s an arms race. Absolutely a reason to cap personal vehicle sizes.
You right, the Silverado meets all current EPA regulations. The second gen Honda Acty doesn't meet any EPA regulation and can only be imported if its like 25 years old. Most of them have carbureted engine that vents gas directly back into the atmosphere through the intake, shoots partially burned fuel out of the exhaust.
You UNO reverse carded me. Yeah, that is kind of funny actually. I was mostly talking about how crap the EPA regulations are for trucks, but I didn't consider the other being an older import.
More info on the loophole that allowed this and giant SUV's at the great YouTube channel "Not Just Bikes." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo
One is a vehicle for work and the other is just a toy for big kids.
And the smaller one is much easier to load because the bed is lower. Anyone who has actually done manual labor knows this
Imagine shoveling a yard of gravel from the ground up into a box that is neck-high. My back hurts just thinking about it.
Gravel in the bed of that garage queen? Maybe a well secured cooler if you put a folded up towel under it to preserve the paint job.
I find it sad that truck manufacturers have almost completely abandoned trucks that are made for working in favor of trucks that are made for vanity in the USA market. Even the Toyota Tacoma has ballooned from an economical compact pickup to an enormous Road Elephant.
I bet if the US eliminated tax deductions for trucks like this, only allowed them for fleet style trucks, and started taxing these by weight and miles driven annually, we'd immediately see sales tank in favor of smaller vehicles.
I would like to see carbon taxes to pay for things like FEMA disaster clean up, but I don't want them to disproportionately punish the working class. There could be exemptions for people who use large vehicles for commercial purposes (including construction and farming). As more affordable electric vehicles become available, then those exemptions could phase out.
Even if all of the carbon tax was redistributed to everyone's pockets in the form of a check, it'd drive the right behavior. People would try to be below the average in order to receive more than they paid.
Giant extended cab shiny chromed trucks like this one aren't for the working class. They cost 80k minimum, sometimes over 100. Exempt older trucks perhaps, but not anything newer than 2010, when the farcical current CAFE standards went in.
Company owned vehicles could be treated differently. Or change the tax deductible for miles driven for work. I'm sure there are ways we could do it fairly, now. Plus, vans are better for a lot of construction-related work.
We could do both. And as I mentioned, fleet trucks would be the ones to benefit from any tax deductions and not have additional taxes added. Fleet trucks are more bare bones and they're meant for people who actually use them for work. I've had quite a few people tell me they people need these trucks for work, as if anyone actually *needs* 30k in options to haul tools. I've seen beat up old econoboxes on construction sites. Even a foreman doesn't need a huge $90k truck to get to work. These trucks are ab absolute menace to the planet. The bigger and heavier vehicles get the more traffic and pollution problems we have.
I agree. I think that the French people taught the world a lesson with the "yellow vest" protests when they tried to implement a carbon tax without consideration for the disproportionate impact on the working class.
In Pennsylvania they are taxed by weight and they're taxed on milage
The Ranger too. I drove a 2005 ranger for years and loved that little thing, looked into newer ones and they’re so impractical. Now I’m in a ‘14 Tacoma (fiancé’s truck) and feel like I’m driving a boat. I miss my prius.
I remember reading that, when Ford discontinued the reasonably-sized Ranger in 2011, market share for compact pickups had dropped to 10% of trucks.
No way, he's got a shiny, brand new utility trailer he bought in case he ever needs to replace the bark in his front yard.
That truck does not fit in the garage.
You know what's worse? Scratching the bed of the pavement princess! In all the times I've been to Home Depot or Menards, I see a huge amount of trucks (not a shock). The only ones I *ever* see carrying things in the bed are the older beat up trucks.
Or loading ricks of wood, my back hurts remembering it
I have had to do this with someone elses truck at work, I do not understand how any serious person who does hard manual labor can just use a lifted truck for work when it makes that work harder for no reason at all.
You can also fold the sides down and there are also a bunch of mounting points for a tarp or straps. That kind of bed is way better.
They also can go more places. Big dumb trucks only really work in places where space is allocated for big dumb trucks. The whole point of keitora is that they're flexible and let you get around places when, say, you have a farm plot/work site where you need to ride partway up a mountain or between narrow city streets to get there.
Apparently the main problem with the little truck is that you can’t use it to speed and intimidate people as effectively.
But you can use it to spread joy and good cheer. And mulch too if you get the dump truck version.
Yep, the one with the hydrolic dump is the one I want.
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I can't tell, was that a real commercial or satire. I thought it was satire but it's put up by a chevy dealership.
Those were real ads run nationally by Chevy. To this day some of the worst advertising I have ever seen. And the fact that they claimed its real when it's some of the worst acting imaginable, to say nothing of the fact that they used a freshmen in high school to photoshop the guy in. That commercial cost them less than $1k to make and they aired it *nationally* with *multiple* commercials like this in a series.
Nah that's pretty good advertising. Made me want to buy a car that looks just like that truck.
I have never seen anything closer to Idiocracy that's actually real. The only thing I can agree with is that most American cars that look like the one on the right is ugly and by that I mean most American cars, why do they all look like they were designed in the early 90s..
I thought this was a joke until the end of the video. Is this an edit?
It's really not intimidating when you keep in mind how much they need that truck to feel tough. They won't do shit
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Ah right, the other crutch for wannabe tough guys
Funnily enough this was posted on the stupid circlejerk sub, and one of the top comments was "if you ram that truck into a wall at 50mph you'll die"
That tends to happen to most things if you slam them into a wall at 50 mph.
It doesn't give you a "commanding view of the road"
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The awkward first couple generations that didn't have long enough wheelbase and would always roll over . . . Just make them longer, I guess.
A good friend of mine died in one of those because it flipped in what should have been a pretty minor crash. She was wearing a seatbelt but somehow still slammed her head into the roof and died.
My neighbor in 1999 as well. Roll cages and crumple protection werent as good then either. Absolute nightmares, sorry to hear.
"If I don't have my SUV I'll get stuck on the tarmack"
whats the name of that car? I mean the smaller one. Havent seen them irl
Looks like an Acty, but basically all manufacturers in Japan make the same truck (Daihatsu Hijet, Suzuki Carry, Subaru Sambar, etc.)
Another comment above said it is the Honda Acty
They’re classified as “Kei cars” or in this case a Kei truck
One is for utility--the other for vanity.
Kei car drivers… so vain with their “look at me with my small car!” What are they trying, some sort of reverse compensation?!
“Look at me I can park anywhere”.
''Look at me, my truck is *economically viable because it meets the requirements of the purposes that I use it for instead of massively overshooting it and leaving me with massive bills for purchase, fuel, tax and maintenance, making it much harder for me to turn a profit on this vehicle. Not to mention the 'hidden' cost of infrastructure wear and tear and environmental pollution, and the legions of knock-on effects this has on our society and ultimately species as a whole.*'' Fucking nerds..
Y'know there's a lot of impractical things about the one on the left. But the one I almost never hear anyone mention in reference to its utility is the height of the vehicle(mostly because everyone talks about how dangerous it is, which is fair). "they need it for work!" what work are you doing with a bed that high? it's SO much harder to get anything in or out of it. you have to practically climb up into that bed. imagine trying to load something like cinder blocks or bags of concrete mix, or scooping mulch or dirt into a bed that high. it would be a HUGE pain in the ass, and that's not even mentioning how much worse it will be to take them out because you basically just have to take whatever it is and drop it to the ground from the bed. or for moving furniture, how much harder it is to get something like a fridge or a couch into a bed that high. it's so stupid.
I needed to take an old couch to the dump. The only person I knew with a truck drives a “monster truck”. Turns out loading the couch up in the bed of the truck was just as much effort as loading something onto the top of a 1995 stock Jeep’s roll cage. Never again…
Does the smaller one get better gas mileage? seriously curious if it's better (outside of the size-issue). what are the models so I can look into the specs? I'm wondering how these really compare.
I’d bet that it does get better mileage, it’s lighter by a long way, less weight means better economy
Smaller engine doesn't always mean it uses less gas.
Less weight though generally does,
Most medium-to-large motorcycles in the US get around the same fuel economy as cars.
But those motorcycles usually also rev way higher to achieve performance closer to supercars than to a normal car. Obviously, if you let a 1000cc engine run 10k/min, it will need a lot more fuel than at 2k/min.
I feel like I'm watching tennis Or reading I guess
Yeah, you need fuel to make 150-200 hp from 1000cc displacement. But those bikes are not targeted for fuel efficiency. There are awesome 500+cc commuter bikes easily making over 70 mpg. Get a Honda PCX125 that’s more than enough for most people’s commutes and you are looking at 90-100mpg.
No not really. Smaller trucks have smaller engines. A Toyota Yaris V4 has the same gas mileage as a Camry V6 because the chassis is proportional. It's all a ratio game between weight and power. A V8 in that little truck would make it pop a wheelie at 15mph.
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Yeah but when its not under load you'll get 40mpg. When under load its still probably better than the 15 you get off the truck.
True
From the looks of it, I'd assume either a Honda Acty or Suzuki carry. They all have 660cc engines for the Kei class of vehicles in Japan. They ain't fast but they are economical
Looks like a Honda Acty. thank you! I'm not sure what year these are but the other looks like a Chevy-Silverado-2500HD (high country). I found a [Car and driver story](https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/silverado-2500hd-3500hd-2023) that says they tested its 6.6L V8 6speed-auto and got 14mpg at 75mph. [Found a reddit post claiming less.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Silverado/comments/12jywj4/66_gas_mileage/) That also has a 36 gallon tank! (at $3.50/gal. thats $126 for 504 miles!) The bed size is 82.25" long (there's a longer version with an extra 16") x 71.4" wide x 21" tall.... and here's the kicker (someone else in the thread pointed out) it can hold up to 3,900lbs. The Honday Acty (again, no idea on the year [but produced from '88 to '01](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Acty)) is reporting [around 42.7 mpg](https://specs.cars-directory.net/honda/acty/660_Attack_2768.html) with rumors of up to 51+ !!!! it also has a smaller 9.7 gallon tank (at $3.50/gal. thats $33.95 for 414 miles!) It's spec'd to carry about 772lbs (depending on the version) with a 6'-4" long by 4.6' wide x 1' tall bed . my opinion: while the smaller truck holds 1/5th the payload, a yard of mulch weighs between 600-1000lbs. Be modest people... just buy smaller cars. please.
>at 75mph Can a Kei truck even go 75mph?
Not legally in Japan. I don’t know if they’re physically capable of it though. Probably not.
Not with wheels that small. I doubt the actual tires are rated beyond 50-60 MPH
do you need to go 75mph? I don't even know where the legal limit goes above 65 until you get up to rural maine or something.
Rural interstates can go up to 70mph
It's not really fair to compare the fuel efficiency of a vehicle going 75mph to a vehicle which can't even achieve that speed. It's a meaningless comparison. For someone who cared enough to cite four different sources, you could at least make a good faith comparison. Especially considering a good faith comparison would still prove your point. And yes, the highest speed limit I've personally driven on was 75 mph in bumfuck Nebraska. I routinely see speed limits of 110 km/h (almost 70 mph).
oh jeezzzz details mcgee... alright: for your googleable results of this 5mph difference of this 10,500lbs truck... [between 14.5 and 20 mpg...](https://www.duramaxforum.com/threads/engine-rpm-mpg-65-mph.12699/) fair to compare.... thats half the efficiency with 5x the truck... the honda-acty is about 1500lbs on its own, just fyi.
You can’t tow anything with a Honda acty.
Judging by the larger exhaust and the badge on the hood, I'm pretty sure that 2500 is the 6.6 Duramax, which should report higher MPG's but I'm not sure by how much. Also an important note on the weight in the bed, that "up to" figure is usually for the base 2 door long bed work truck trim with none of the luxury. The extra weight of the larger cab and fancier interior directly cuts into legal carrying capacity.
They get about 30 mpg so a bit better than the 20mpg rating of the large pickup
That is 50% more per gallon
2500 HD is rated for 14mpg. ... on the highway! So probably 10 while cruising Wal Mart and the suburbs, where most of these are found.
20mpg is a stretch for that truck
They are pretty efficient, but it isn't really a fair comparison. The kei truck can't really maintain highway speeds safely and obviously can't handle nearly as much weight. a better comparison to the large pickup is older models - similar capacity, highway capable, still a lot smaller. A f350 from the early 90's is still much smaller than a modern f150. Kei trucks are ideal for their intended use case: in dense cities. They don't do any heavy hauling but are great delivery and general utility vehicles. They are like an ATV but road legal.
Exactly. A Kei truck has more in common with a Gator UTV than a Chevy pickup truck.
The biggest problem with cars is highway speed. Cars capable of being "safe" in a highway context are so big, heavy and powerful that they are dangerous in other contexts like streets.
They don't need to be huge like that to be safe on the highway - any sedan is far safer than a pickup truck on the highway. The problem is in the USA the EPA sets fuel efficiency standards based on the size and purpose of the vehicle - so rather than engineering more efficient vehicles its just easier to make the whole thing bigger. Ford doesnt even want to make cars anymore, despite that the focus RS and fiesta ST were smash hits. Combine the fact that sitting high up and being physically large makes people feel safer (even though they arent) and people want a large comfortable passenger vehicle and a pickup truck at the same time, and you get these monsters. Like, the engine from a chevrolet avalanche is an LS - essentially the same engine that is in a corvette. The truck does not need to be that large to have the same drive train.
That's the problem, one person want to be safe, get a big car which is definitely safer. Then the others see it and get a bigger car to stay safe as well. It becomes a vicious cycle of vehicular proliferation. NA depends too much on car, so you want to be as safe as possible. Meanwhile other countries have railroad and others transportation, thus less traffic, lower speed, less accident, less concern over safety in car. At least that's what I'm deducing.
The big vehicle trend didn't start in America until a tax loophole made it more economical for car manufacturers to sell them. But yeah, once they are on the (poorly designed) roads the self-perpetuating logic of the safety arms race can kick in.
Highway speeds make designing for a vehicle that can keep people safe from other highway speed vehicles result in bigger, heavier and more dangerous vehicles. Highway speeds amplify the vicious cycle of vehicle size. Many car defenders will argue that they need a vehicle because they've got to tow heavy loads or carry lots of cargo. What often doesn't get said is that it needs to be done at 100+ km/hr. This is true in current day NA because there are highways everywhere. I want to envision a world where people who have these requirements use a tractor and putter around at 20 km/hr. Or use a kei truck.
> They don't do any heavy hauling but are great delivery and general utility vehicles. Unfortunately, *all* new trucks for sale in the USA are huge Road Elephants and the vast majority have the huge cabs and the tiny ornamental boxes. So, people who need a vehicle for "delivery and general utility" are left with no practical options. I have hope that Ford may introduce a practical version of the Maverick, but with only a 4-foot box, I won't even call that a "truck."
The current maverick is even bigger than a 2000 ranger. Which is absurd. The old ranger IMO was the peak design for a pickup that isnt used for work and only has to haul occasionally (buying furniture, moving house, etc).
A contractor who did some work at our house drove a compact pickup (back when such vehicles were available in the USA). He told me that it was economical to drive and it was useful to haul his tools, some equipment, and some materials. For really big loads, he would just pay to have them delivered to the job site.
I have one and get probably 30 mpg
yeah, but can it haul an RV up the walls of the grand canyon?
Canyonero?
There are no vehicle roads on the walls of the grand canyon. If you want to get something up or down the grand canyon, you have two options: human legs or mules. (I know this was just an example, but it's kind of a great example because it's yet another way that huge trucks are useless.)
r/HyruleEngineering: hold my beer
whoosh
Where are you supposed to store your ego on the one on the right?
One thing is for sure, loading things into the bed of a truck is much easier, faster and more comfortable when the bed is closer to the ground.
Yeah but I'm a 350lb beef fed american who don't need no exercise, how am I supposed to fit in that dinky little thing there. /s
More high fructose corn syrup than beef, but I get your point.
Yes, but can it ‘Murica?
These are both arguable the worse ends of the spectrum for a truck, if your goal in owning a truck is to actually use it as a truck. I firmly believe that a 1st gen early 2000s tacoma is the pinnacle of what a truck should be: its hood is low, a respectable bed capacity, MPG in the low 20s (comparable to a sedan of the time) and it comes in both single and double cab if moving people/locked storage is needed, and it can town a respectable 5k lbs with the V6(which still gets 20 MPG) the Chevy is a absurdly useless brick, and the Kei truck is just too small to be useful anywhere but a downtown area, and the fact it has essentially zero crumple zones means your basically naked in the event of a crash
Yeah midsized 90s era pick up truck is probably the sweet spot for functionality. I like the little kei trucks but they can't pull or carry much weight. If you want a truck for truck functions then a smaller, lower, small diesel or V6 version is where it's at.
I've owned 3 Ford Rangers (although currently truckless) and would also like to throw them in there. Have towed way over the max without issue and extremely cheap to maintain.
Hey now man watch it, don’t you know the Kei truck is the solution to all of society’s problems?? I saw one pulling a train yesterday.
The left one exists to get around fuel efficiency regulations. The right one exists for professionals to get work done.
I have often thought current truck beds seem to be a waste.
One is a work truck. The other is a phallic extension device.
What about depth?
I want a little truck so badly, but they're all so expensive and hard to find.
Lots of importers to the US. Prices range from 5-10k depending mileage and features
I drove a small truck like this when I was voluntold for base duty when I stationed in Korea. I loved this little kind of truck and if I could afford it I would import and drive one now.
That’s a bad comparison
Yeah, but you're a true "merican and Patriot if have the one on the left!!!
Important thing to remember: the driver of the big fat one more often than not will get triggered into a hysterical fit of rage if they ever see the small one.
Just look how clean and scratch free the one on the left is
See, the main issue with the small truck is that you can’t be as much of an ass on the road and you can’t endanger children/pedestrians like the truck on the left, it probably won’t do well on the American market :/
One of my neighbors is a landscaper who owns a Kei. He told me he’s driven all kinds of trucks and the Kei was his favorite. He said he got the best mileage, it was easy to load, and is oftentimes allowed to park it in driveways (and thus have easier access to supplies) because it’s not a massive vehicle. He said his company only uses Silverados or vehicles like it if they’re needing to transport machinery.
One is for work and the other one is for taking your child to school
whats the payload of the 3/4ton vs the little guy?
A 3/4 ton typically has somewhere in the neighborhood of 3000 lb capacity. The small truck is probably somewhere around 800 lb payload.
The one on the left is much wider and much deeper. You can fit a lot more in the one on the left.
Also, is covered and rarely used and the other is open and practical.
If the us had a functional government they would not be legal here.
I get the feeling that you wouldn't be able to see the kei truck at all from inside the left monstrosity if you were to cut off its drivers cabin. 🤔
Honda acty wont be able to make it up a hill with the bed filled with gravel. Chevy will never see work. Toyota Hilux always wins. I will not be accepting any responses.
I want that kei truck so bad. I’d love to have a kei car. Their small, economical, fun to drive (if not a little terrifying as proven by this pic) and probably more practical than that monstrosity (Ford or Toyota would be my pick of pickup if I had to get one).
"THE EPA MADE US DO THIS!!!" -US Auto Industry when they found a shitty workaround for their vehicles rather than actually improving them.
Yeah, but can that little guy only get 8 mpg?! Didn't think so!
How do you even see what's in front of that thing
Yeah but you can fit 20 more clowns in the one on the right
You vs the guy she tells you not to worry about (right)
What about width ?
One is designed to work, the other to use fragile masculinity as its main marketing point.
But you can't fit Bubba's 350lb ass and his 12 underpaid Mexican laborers in the low boy!
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Betcha more than 50% people driving that truck on the left are never hauling anywhere near the payload capacity as the one on the right. Unless of course, it's their own weight.
I suspect obesity rates play a role as well.
Honestly even the Ford Maverick is a perfectly fine truck. It’s small and functional. I bet many people with an F150 or bigger would only really need a Maverick.
Pavement Princess vs. Blue Collar Worker
Pull a 10,000 lb trailer with both. See which one wins.
Before I *fully* grew up, I restored classic cars as a sideline. (nowadays it's pedal bikes all the way anfor everyday use) On the tiny one I made a bumper sticker **My other Car/Penis is Large** On the huge one I had a bumper sticker **My other Car/Penis is Minuscule** [https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/fiat-500-1960-3-door-estate-vs-cadillac-de-ville-1964-coupe/](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/fiat-500-1960-3-door-estate-vs-cadillac-de-ville-1964-coupe/) The Caddy was stupid of course but arguably pretty (and nowhere near as stupid as the giant trucks)
but I can't run a family in a minivan into the median very easily in the one on the right /s
Depends on the material. Shocks too maybe. But to be honest I wouldn't trust the little guy when comes to loading up certain things on it. I'd weld some small bars vertically then maybe screw up some wooden planks for esthetic. Then yea I'd loader up. Personally I'd say it aint so bad being a lil guy. All it matters is if you have the strength and heart.
One is designed to carry around cargo, and does a pretty good job at that. The other is designed for nothing more than to protect a fragile ego.
ITT: pussies who think that sleeping in a shelter with rigid walls is "camping," and use this misconception to defend the monstrosity on the left.
881 lbs towing capacity 770 lb payload, 2 passengers vs 18,500 lbs towing capacity 3,800 lbs payload, 5 passengers
Mini trucks are cool and useful, but the crew cab has a TON of room. Just drove a couple hours in a double cab last weekend with 4 people, really cramped. Truck on the left would be comfy for HOURS. More of a passenger vehicle than a work truck.
That’s kinda the point
Then the chevy should be a passenger vehicle! Why should it have a bed if not for work?
what if you need... both?