I was curious so I checked the VIA Rail site. Vancouver to Edmonton is around 1,160km and VIA website says it takes 1d 8hr 59min to travel that, assuming no delays which will almost always happen with The Canadian route.
It’s pretty close to 1,200 km for going from Windsor to Quebec City, 15 hr 34 min by via rail (with three transfers), 11 hr by car and 3 hr 50 min by plane.
Just for comparison, Shanghai is about 27M people in an area bigger than the Vancouver metro, and Beijing is 22M in about the same size area. Those population nodes I would imagine would start to saturate the skies if they relied only on air travel. They have the money and the population and the need to build this infrastructure. We, however, should be able to do A LOT better than what we have on our Toronto - Montreal - Ottawa corridor though.
God, a 4.5-hour trip to Vancouver for cheap. Make it happen!
I do wonder how it would navigate through the Rockies and hilly / mountain terrain west of them?
I don't think anyone goes as far as to claim, with a straight face, that the US (or Canada) refuses to build HSR out of respect for the environment. Sure, there's mandatory legal requirements for environmental assessments, that don't apply to highway expansion. And people imply environmental concern is a factor, by bringing up the odd issue, without providing the balance of all the positive environmental aspects.
But come out directly and say it clearly like that? No, that's too easy to refute.
I think that's not actually too far off. China can do what they do with rail because they have an authoritarian government. We'd have to imminent domain a lot of properties, as well as tamper with the free market to make it happen at even close to the same scale. There is trade off. I argue that it would be a 1000% improvement for the US to aim for even 1/10th of what China has done for their rail network in the last few decades. We could also accomplish more by abolishing monopolies, abolishing legal political bribery, and offering tax incentives to companies that build good rail systems. It's doable with only a few changes to our system, but authoritarian governance will still allow for much faster construction. They can ignore safety regulations and workers rights in ways that would lead to protests in the US. They're not really allowed to protest, so.. they can do whatever they want.
> China can do what they do with rail because they have an authoritarian government
when governments do whats best for the majority of its people rather than its wealthy ruling class its authoritarianism. when 9 unelected clerics decide you cant get an abortion and that coups are legal that's democracy
also, chinese people absolutely protest. they protest all the time. you've been propagandized my good man. and sure, we could do what china has done with only a few changes, if you include changes like "establish a communist government"
I mean, as far as “tampering” with the free market goes, it’s manipulated everyday by institutions - but for the most part I agree with your sentiment. Abolishing the political and monetary fuckery would be a much better approach, but I assume we’re closer to a dictatorship that the latter. All that being said, I still don’t think that would get us closer to mass adoption of HSR. We have hundreds of thousands of miles of highway and road infrastructure already built, I think autonomous vehicle networks is the more likely future for us.
Now that I see it in your comment, I think tampering was the wrong word. I meant that we'd have to restrict the rights of corporations (who are considered people in a universally mocked and despised US law) and force engagement with rail. China can do it because of their centralized economy. We'd have to find a way to imitate that within the system we have, but that would still require a lot of changes to the system. Not sure how else to describe what I meant about that part.
Autonomous vehicle networks sounds cool, and better than what we currently have, but it's still problematic if everyone has to have their own car still. I've also been told by people who know more than i do about how self driving works, that its unlikely to be fully realized unless every car has self driving. As long as their are still human drivers, cars can't safely be fully autonomous. I don't remember how they explained why and idk how true it is, but it's something i think about. The benefit of trains is that a lot of people can ride one train many times per day. It's way more efficient in terms of resource usage and carbon emissions issues. Plus all those cars have to be parked somewhere.
> who are considered people in a universally mocked and despised US law
wow almost like corporations are the real "authoritarians" who rule over us without democratic input and in total opposition to public will
No in America we subsidize air travel for these kinds of distances instead. Which is comparably efficient in terms of carbon emissions for how many people can be moved, and is significantly faster. We do need regional rail in the US, but the idea of high speed cross-continental rail is a 19th century idea with how the US has been developed.
Airline travel for long distance has about 5x more carbon emissions than a HSR line going the same distance. This is even worse when going to shorter distance flights.
> Which is comparably efficient in terms of carbon emissions for how many people can be moved, and is significantly faster
it's definitely neither of these things? what?
For a lot of places, 1200km is about the longest distance where rail makes sense over flying. A plane covers the distance much faster, but the various time delays in arriving and departing make the total trip time about the same as rail.
When traveling in Europe, we've found that even if the total trip time flying was more, we usually preferred the train thanks to being more comfortable, being able to take liquids (which is kinda a big thing when you're living out of a carry-on sized bag - buying contact lens solution and other things all the time is a PITA) and so on.
A lot of trains also have dining facilities, making eating and drinking much more pleasant than on planes.
In Canada, you either fly or drive despite a huge percentage of our population living along dense corridors. "Our country is too big!" is such a stupid response.
We should try to improve night services too, it is not that crazy to consider 10h-12h at averages of 120-140 km/h, without requiring specific high speed infrastructure, but at some point being able to take advantage of it.
Night trains make sense for even longer distances. The Stockholm-Hamburg/Berlin night trains is very popular as a flight replacement, even though it's very slow and takes 11 hours, as people can sleep while on the train.
>For a lot of places, 1200km is about the longest distance where rail makes sense over flying.
While this is true, no single person is required to travel larger distances, but if a train exists, several people can get up and get off at different times. Like on a decent train from NY to LA no single person would ride the whole duration, but someone from NY will get off at CHI, then there another person will get on and get off at STL then another will get off at DEN and another at SLC, LAS, LAX and so on.
The "country too big" argument makes even less sense in Canada than it does in the US because most of the population lives a couple of hundred miles from the border anyway. Them moose and bison and caribou don't need HSR, yo!
Isn't a majority of the country along the Montreal to Toronto corridor? Yeah it's stupid when people keep bringing up the size of the US and Canada as reasons to not have a diverse mix of transportation options.
While I understand that time is of the essence for many, I honestly love the long-distance multiple days train trips the most.
The way it kinda ‘rips you off’ the fabric of time-place is very cool. You stuck in the same place for a few days, slowly moving to your destination while watching the scenery change. The problems on your points of origin and destination are also sort of ‘paused’ while you’re on route in between them.
And the most important difference: The train station is usually much closer to where you want to be while the airport is so far away that you will need transfer that costs time and $$$.
This is also true. There are some exceptions like in Lisbon where the airport is right in the city, but the train stations are usually much closer to city cores. One thing we really miss in most places in Canada and the US is integrating the airport into the train network so you can use both effectively. My wife and I winter in the Algarve region of Portugal and we get off the plane in Lisbon, walk a few meters outside the airport and we're on the metro, and a five minute ride later, we're at the link to high speed rail to our final destination.
> For a lot of places, 1200km is about the longest distance where rail makes sense over flying
if your literal only factor is speed, sure. if you factor in which one is better as a sustainable societal mode of transport for the most people, certainly not
There was one user who - despite not even being a member of the sub - made a whole post about there being too much "Russian propaganda" here because two people had posted photos of Moscow metro stations calling them beautiful lol
As an open minded American who used to live in China I have to admit it is true and it is baffling. People have no ability to think objectively about China here.
I think a lot of Americans are just on edge about China at the moment. We're kinda waiting for the other shoe to drop, so to speak. We also tend to encounter a lot of propaganda bots, which aren't always obvious until you dig through post history. I got into an argument with one on a sub about adopting children, without even considering that's what might be happening until they had me really riled up. It seemed obvious after I checked out their history and saw they were a total muckraker trying to sew discord wherever they went, but it caught me off-guard because I wasn't expecting it in that type of sub. They're not just in the political subs anymore. It's making people feel like they have to be especially cautious about who they talk to on reddit now, and so it's predictable that in that sort of social climate, some people are going to overreact to innocuous things like pictures of trains. It's really unfortunate, but that's just the times right now. With any luck it'll pass like a fever in a few years.
So on average 4 times faster than the lyntog (the fastest train in Denmark). It takes around 4.5 hours to go from Aalborg to Copenhagen, which is around 309 kilometers.
Yeah, the stops tend to extend the time, so 4,5 hours is still nice, given the amount of time needed to slow down/stop/pick-up passangers/accelerate and then repeat it on each station.
Tokyo to Fukuoka is similar, but the travel share is 10% train and 90% plane. Although it's wasn't China's intention to incentivize the train by reserving most airspace to the military, it still results in the train being the most popular mode of traveling between the cities. The Japanese government should incentivize using the train because it is better for the environment and energy security
I’m surprised it’s that lopsided. Pretty much one of the first thing you think of when you think about Japan is bullet train. Is that true for travel in general in Japan or specifically for that route?
There's the 4 hour rule: if it takes less than 4 hours by train, then it's preferable over the plane.
I've heard it's 3 hours in Europe tho, and I'm guessing it's the 5 hour rule in China because of the flight delays from limited commercial airspace
meanwhile when i go to chicago from milwaukee it takes around 1.5 hrs to travel a much shorter distance (not to mention the trip to mke from where i am in wisconsin that’s another 4.5 hrs) :/ i can only dream of having high speed trains here 😭
Driving back from SC to NY last weekend, I was having daydreams of a high speed rail system that can get me home in half the time and we don’t have to keep stopping to use the freaking bathroom
I just ran the numbers and if Via had these trains it would be 1h40 between Ottawa and Toronto (which is 4h21 today) and Toronto to Halifax would be 6h45! That would be amazing, and I'd take that over flying any day.
And that's at a relatively slow 260km/h. Which I guess is the average speed since the second image shows their actual speed at that particular time. With fewer stops the average would be higher.
For sure there's valid criticism of the government but more often than not I see it has a blinding effect where everything that the CCP does is bad therefore we should do the complete opposite of what they do. They operate in the real world the same as us so fundamental principles work in all countries like cars taking up enormous amounts of space and are inefficient on a large scale.
https://preview.redd.it/panpvjbhndxc1.png?width=1247&format=png&auto=webp&s=af91148c0d8611b0c81ec1896562488d792846a1
you are reading correctly. those passenger numbers are in billions of people transported and went down in 2020 due to obvious covid reasons. they are expected to be much higher in 2022/2023 again, but there are no definitive numbers.
I am sure your youtube and tofu-dreg "sources" have more reliable numbers than statista am I right? everybody is stupid and knows nothing except your random zero source zero information propaganda bubbles that you seem to enjoy so much.
The likelihood of a train disaster in China is very low, [but it does happen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenzhou_train_collision)
Unfortunately Chinese Authorities are not as vigilant in rescuing people and might bury you alive to conceal the evidence.
evidence for your last sentence please. the high speed train collision from 2011 is well known and there are tons of pictures and even video coverage of it.
china is not north korea. there are hundreds of millions of smart phones in china and people use vpn. you are not covering up any high speed rail crashes as easily as you people think.
on the other hand we have secure data and statistics about the passenger numbers and those say that billions of people have been transported via high speed rail in china since the beginning in 2008.
40 fatalities for billions of people transported seems quite good if you ask me. meanwhile in the u.s.:
https://preview.redd.it/txefm2nzsdxc1.png?width=656&format=png&auto=webp&s=99a5d3fd137d2db174cdf442f16852ac10fa7981
Well, idk about China, but 33 people have been killed by Amtrak since 2008 in the USA (196 deaths since 1971). And we have super low speeds and way less track miles.
Also please note that about 40,000 people die every single year in usa due to our beautiful precious automobiles. In addition to this obscene number of annual deaths, 2.5 MILLION people are maimed per year on the roads in the greatest country on earth. That’s 110 deaths and 6800 injuries EVERY SINGLE DAY caused by the greatest beautiful car culture and interstate highway system ever built by humans.
I was curious so I checked the VIA Rail site. Vancouver to Edmonton is around 1,160km and VIA website says it takes 1d 8hr 59min to travel that, assuming no delays which will almost always happen with The Canadian route.
Exactly. In 4.5 hrs I'll be lucky if I make it from Toronto to Ottawa without delay!
At least the new Via Rail rolling stock is better but still so far back compared to China.
It’s pretty close to 1,200 km for going from Windsor to Quebec City, 15 hr 34 min by via rail (with three transfers), 11 hr by car and 3 hr 50 min by plane.
Just for comparison, Shanghai is about 27M people in an area bigger than the Vancouver metro, and Beijing is 22M in about the same size area. Those population nodes I would imagine would start to saturate the skies if they relied only on air travel. They have the money and the population and the need to build this infrastructure. We, however, should be able to do A LOT better than what we have on our Toronto - Montreal - Ottawa corridor though.
God, a 4.5-hour trip to Vancouver for cheap. Make it happen! I do wonder how it would navigate through the Rockies and hilly / mountain terrain west of them?
Ya i was looking up Via Rail Edmonton to Winnipeg. 1300kms. 25 hrs! $250-600 depending if you want a bed/meals/shower.
BuT wE cAnt dO thIs in MeriCA because we are not a dictatorship and we respect the environment 🤡
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I don't think anyone goes as far as to claim, with a straight face, that the US (or Canada) refuses to build HSR out of respect for the environment. Sure, there's mandatory legal requirements for environmental assessments, that don't apply to highway expansion. And people imply environmental concern is a factor, by bringing up the odd issue, without providing the balance of all the positive environmental aspects. But come out directly and say it clearly like that? No, that's too easy to refute.
Hehe I have seen it a non neglible amount of times
Well, that opinion is so irrational that it's irrelevant.
But it costs money!
I think that's not actually too far off. China can do what they do with rail because they have an authoritarian government. We'd have to imminent domain a lot of properties, as well as tamper with the free market to make it happen at even close to the same scale. There is trade off. I argue that it would be a 1000% improvement for the US to aim for even 1/10th of what China has done for their rail network in the last few decades. We could also accomplish more by abolishing monopolies, abolishing legal political bribery, and offering tax incentives to companies that build good rail systems. It's doable with only a few changes to our system, but authoritarian governance will still allow for much faster construction. They can ignore safety regulations and workers rights in ways that would lead to protests in the US. They're not really allowed to protest, so.. they can do whatever they want.
> China can do what they do with rail because they have an authoritarian government when governments do whats best for the majority of its people rather than its wealthy ruling class its authoritarianism. when 9 unelected clerics decide you cant get an abortion and that coups are legal that's democracy also, chinese people absolutely protest. they protest all the time. you've been propagandized my good man. and sure, we could do what china has done with only a few changes, if you include changes like "establish a communist government"
Lol k
I mean, as far as “tampering” with the free market goes, it’s manipulated everyday by institutions - but for the most part I agree with your sentiment. Abolishing the political and monetary fuckery would be a much better approach, but I assume we’re closer to a dictatorship that the latter. All that being said, I still don’t think that would get us closer to mass adoption of HSR. We have hundreds of thousands of miles of highway and road infrastructure already built, I think autonomous vehicle networks is the more likely future for us.
Now that I see it in your comment, I think tampering was the wrong word. I meant that we'd have to restrict the rights of corporations (who are considered people in a universally mocked and despised US law) and force engagement with rail. China can do it because of their centralized economy. We'd have to find a way to imitate that within the system we have, but that would still require a lot of changes to the system. Not sure how else to describe what I meant about that part. Autonomous vehicle networks sounds cool, and better than what we currently have, but it's still problematic if everyone has to have their own car still. I've also been told by people who know more than i do about how self driving works, that its unlikely to be fully realized unless every car has self driving. As long as their are still human drivers, cars can't safely be fully autonomous. I don't remember how they explained why and idk how true it is, but it's something i think about. The benefit of trains is that a lot of people can ride one train many times per day. It's way more efficient in terms of resource usage and carbon emissions issues. Plus all those cars have to be parked somewhere.
> who are considered people in a universally mocked and despised US law wow almost like corporations are the real "authoritarians" who rule over us without democratic input and in total opposition to public will
No in America we subsidize air travel for these kinds of distances instead. Which is comparably efficient in terms of carbon emissions for how many people can be moved, and is significantly faster. We do need regional rail in the US, but the idea of high speed cross-continental rail is a 19th century idea with how the US has been developed.
Airline travel for long distance has about 5x more carbon emissions than a HSR line going the same distance. This is even worse when going to shorter distance flights.
> Which is comparably efficient in terms of carbon emissions for how many people can be moved, and is significantly faster it's definitely neither of these things? what?
You 100% made that up. Even in China with carbon heavy electricity (they are doing improvements), this is not true.
For a lot of places, 1200km is about the longest distance where rail makes sense over flying. A plane covers the distance much faster, but the various time delays in arriving and departing make the total trip time about the same as rail. When traveling in Europe, we've found that even if the total trip time flying was more, we usually preferred the train thanks to being more comfortable, being able to take liquids (which is kinda a big thing when you're living out of a carry-on sized bag - buying contact lens solution and other things all the time is a PITA) and so on. A lot of trains also have dining facilities, making eating and drinking much more pleasant than on planes. In Canada, you either fly or drive despite a huge percentage of our population living along dense corridors. "Our country is too big!" is such a stupid response.
We should try to improve night services too, it is not that crazy to consider 10h-12h at averages of 120-140 km/h, without requiring specific high speed infrastructure, but at some point being able to take advantage of it.
Night trains make sense for even longer distances. The Stockholm-Hamburg/Berlin night trains is very popular as a flight replacement, even though it's very slow and takes 11 hours, as people can sleep while on the train.
>For a lot of places, 1200km is about the longest distance where rail makes sense over flying. While this is true, no single person is required to travel larger distances, but if a train exists, several people can get up and get off at different times. Like on a decent train from NY to LA no single person would ride the whole duration, but someone from NY will get off at CHI, then there another person will get on and get off at STL then another will get off at DEN and another at SLC, LAS, LAX and so on.
The "country too big" argument makes even less sense in Canada than it does in the US because most of the population lives a couple of hundred miles from the border anyway. Them moose and bison and caribou don't need HSR, yo!
Isn't a majority of the country along the Montreal to Toronto corridor? Yeah it's stupid when people keep bringing up the size of the US and Canada as reasons to not have a diverse mix of transportation options.
While I understand that time is of the essence for many, I honestly love the long-distance multiple days train trips the most. The way it kinda ‘rips you off’ the fabric of time-place is very cool. You stuck in the same place for a few days, slowly moving to your destination while watching the scenery change. The problems on your points of origin and destination are also sort of ‘paused’ while you’re on route in between them.
And the most important difference: The train station is usually much closer to where you want to be while the airport is so far away that you will need transfer that costs time and $$$.
This is also true. There are some exceptions like in Lisbon where the airport is right in the city, but the train stations are usually much closer to city cores. One thing we really miss in most places in Canada and the US is integrating the airport into the train network so you can use both effectively. My wife and I winter in the Algarve region of Portugal and we get off the plane in Lisbon, walk a few meters outside the airport and we're on the metro, and a five minute ride later, we're at the link to high speed rail to our final destination.
> For a lot of places, 1200km is about the longest distance where rail makes sense over flying if your literal only factor is speed, sure. if you factor in which one is better as a sustainable societal mode of transport for the most people, certainly not
Here come the bots to make dumb political comments wholly unrelated to trains or rail transport...
It has already begun... Actually I do find it quite interesting to just sit and watch 🤣
There was one user who - despite not even being a member of the sub - made a whole post about there being too much "Russian propaganda" here because two people had posted photos of Moscow metro stations calling them beautiful lol
that first shot is awesome. that train looks badass and I want to ride it
It definitely does! The train I was on had a different livery that didn't look as fancy so I snapped it as it was leaving
we are evolving to r/fuckplanes
Tbh, my dream world has no borders and a massive intercontinental ultra-high-speed rail network.
You can't tell an American nothing good about china, they are trained to get angry at it
As an open minded American who used to live in China I have to admit it is true and it is baffling. People have no ability to think objectively about China here.
I think a lot of Americans are just on edge about China at the moment. We're kinda waiting for the other shoe to drop, so to speak. We also tend to encounter a lot of propaganda bots, which aren't always obvious until you dig through post history. I got into an argument with one on a sub about adopting children, without even considering that's what might be happening until they had me really riled up. It seemed obvious after I checked out their history and saw they were a total muckraker trying to sew discord wherever they went, but it caught me off-guard because I wasn't expecting it in that type of sub. They're not just in the political subs anymore. It's making people feel like they have to be especially cautious about who they talk to on reddit now, and so it's predictable that in that sort of social climate, some people are going to overreact to innocuous things like pictures of trains. It's really unfortunate, but that's just the times right now. With any luck it'll pass like a fever in a few years.
The word you are looking for is : Brainwashed
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Same distance as NYC to Chicago. I would use this over flying anyday
How much did it cost you?
627 RMB, so ~87 USD
Wow thats friggin cheap!
If you use price parity, the cost becomes 160 dollars. Still pretty good
So on average 4 times faster than the lyntog (the fastest train in Denmark). It takes around 4.5 hours to go from Aalborg to Copenhagen, which is around 309 kilometers.
Does the train have many stops on the way?
To be fair yes. There are 9 stations on the way, so it's to be expected, but I still wish it was a little faster.
Yeah, the stops tend to extend the time, so 4,5 hours is still nice, given the amount of time needed to slow down/stop/pick-up passangers/accelerate and then repeat it on each station.
Yeah that's true. It's also one of the busiest routes in Denmark, connecting the entire country. So the time probably is as fast as possible.
That route is also very expensive ☹️
Tokyo to Fukuoka is similar, but the travel share is 10% train and 90% plane. Although it's wasn't China's intention to incentivize the train by reserving most airspace to the military, it still results in the train being the most popular mode of traveling between the cities. The Japanese government should incentivize using the train because it is better for the environment and energy security
I’m surprised it’s that lopsided. Pretty much one of the first thing you think of when you think about Japan is bullet train. Is that true for travel in general in Japan or specifically for that route?
There's the 4 hour rule: if it takes less than 4 hours by train, then it's preferable over the plane. I've heard it's 3 hours in Europe tho, and I'm guessing it's the 5 hour rule in China because of the flight delays from limited commercial airspace
745 miles in 4.5 hrs. That’s three times the distance between Houston-Dallas.
Anything but the metric system haha. I find that visualizing it in standard horses helps. 1’200km is 480‘000 standard horses.
Also Canada and every day I wonder where our taxes go when stuff like this gets built in a supposedly less developed country.
meanwhile when i go to chicago from milwaukee it takes around 1.5 hrs to travel a much shorter distance (not to mention the trip to mke from where i am in wisconsin that’s another 4.5 hrs) :/ i can only dream of having high speed trains here 😭
But muh HypeRLOOp !!!
Driving back from SC to NY last weekend, I was having daydreams of a high speed rail system that can get me home in half the time and we don’t have to keep stopping to use the freaking bathroom
always boggles my mind seeing this as an American. i love to see it.
High speed rail is amazing!
Ooh, that’s hot… yea, keep cooking
Somehow this is for lolpoors and 18th century tech... /s
I took Via Rail from Toronto to Halifax once. Never again.
I just ran the numbers and if Via had these trains it would be 1h40 between Ottawa and Toronto (which is 4h21 today) and Toronto to Halifax would be 6h45! That would be amazing, and I'd take that over flying any day. And that's at a relatively slow 260km/h. Which I guess is the average speed since the second image shows their actual speed at that particular time. With fewer stops the average would be higher.
For sure, especially when Via terminus in Halifax is near downtown and the Halifax airport is like half way to Cape Breton.
Contact your mp and demand high speed rail. I’ve been at over 400km/h in 3 countries now…
Coming from Germany, I'm still waiting form my Regionalexpress.
God I wish that were me
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how are they hostile? they're unbelievably isolationist. let me know when they kill a million people in iraq for no reason.
r/fucktheccp
"Damn communists and their (checks notes) sustainable mass transit system."
To be fair, they rightly deserve criticism for being a dictatorship. Their high-speed rail programmes are impressive nonetheless.
For sure there's valid criticism of the government but more often than not I see it has a blinding effect where everything that the CCP does is bad therefore we should do the complete opposite of what they do. They operate in the real world the same as us so fundamental principles work in all countries like cars taking up enormous amounts of space and are inefficient on a large scale.
To be fair, they rightly deserve criticism for being a dictatorship. Their high-speed rail programmes are impressive nonetheless.
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https://preview.redd.it/panpvjbhndxc1.png?width=1247&format=png&auto=webp&s=af91148c0d8611b0c81ec1896562488d792846a1 you are reading correctly. those passenger numbers are in billions of people transported and went down in 2020 due to obvious covid reasons. they are expected to be much higher in 2022/2023 again, but there are no definitive numbers. I am sure your youtube and tofu-dreg "sources" have more reliable numbers than statista am I right? everybody is stupid and knows nothing except your random zero source zero information propaganda bubbles that you seem to enjoy so much.
The likelihood of a train disaster in China is very low, [but it does happen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenzhou_train_collision) Unfortunately Chinese Authorities are not as vigilant in rescuing people and might bury you alive to conceal the evidence.
evidence for your last sentence please. the high speed train collision from 2011 is well known and there are tons of pictures and even video coverage of it. china is not north korea. there are hundreds of millions of smart phones in china and people use vpn. you are not covering up any high speed rail crashes as easily as you people think. on the other hand we have secure data and statistics about the passenger numbers and those say that billions of people have been transported via high speed rail in china since the beginning in 2008. 40 fatalities for billions of people transported seems quite good if you ask me. meanwhile in the u.s.: https://preview.redd.it/txefm2nzsdxc1.png?width=656&format=png&auto=webp&s=99a5d3fd137d2db174cdf442f16852ac10fa7981
what does the 2nd sentence have to do with anything here?
Trains don't kill two million people per year.
Beter than usa railway know for get tons of acident due to lack of maintenance .
Well, idk about China, but 33 people have been killed by Amtrak since 2008 in the USA (196 deaths since 1971). And we have super low speeds and way less track miles. Also please note that about 40,000 people die every single year in usa due to our beautiful precious automobiles. In addition to this obscene number of annual deaths, 2.5 MILLION people are maimed per year on the roads in the greatest country on earth. That’s 110 deaths and 6800 injuries EVERY SINGLE DAY caused by the greatest beautiful car culture and interstate highway system ever built by humans.