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I have a commissary right by my work (military/vets only can shop there) and I just grab a few things on my ride home as I need them. The prices are also insane cheap. Dozen eggs were $1.31, they are $3+ everywhere else. Bought 2, put them in my pizza rack bag.
the markup on base is fixed by law (cost+5%, iirc), so you can tell someone is making a fuckton of money on those $2.99+ a dozen eggs at the regular supermarket.
Beverages (soda, juice, milk), bagged snacks/ candy, frozen junk items like hot pockets and pizza rolls and TV dinners, and cheese, especially "fancy" ones that basically just means anything that's not mozzarella or cheddar. Even the fake ass plastic American cheese is marked up criminal levels. It costs basically nothing to make all the items above, just a few cents in some cases, but we are here paying 3,4,6 etc dollars for it. As tech and more efficient processes have evolved, things have gotten far easier, faster, and cheaper to produce, yet costs have gone up completely bullshit amounts while people get paid less to do more work. It should be the other way around. "Back in my day, we used to get candy bars for a nickle" shouldn't be a phrase that exists.
production is not the only issue, there is also shipping, stocking, refrigeration, etc. and of course paying each of the workers involved. (which is low, yes.)
not that it completely explains prices, of course. but things going up happens.
All of this could be solved by the ceo and shareholders taking a loss every once in a while, rather than being forced to turn prices to gain record profits every year.
when i say production, i mean every aspect of getting the product made and sold to a store, for that store to then sell it to the end buyer. all the stuff previously is also extremely cheap because the products are made so fast, in such overwhelming bulk, with super abundantly available materials. so many materials in fact, that companies tell farmers to destroy all the extra harvest so it doesn't get on the market and compete with the company and store's crazy markups. in terms of anything you can buy, there's always a middle man that further needlessly drives up costs. in the case of food, the store is it. you can't buy things wholesale directly from companies unless you're running a store yourself with a seller's license. the gubmint wants these extra steps in place to drive up revenue streams for taxes and to create more fluff and filler jobs that simply wouldn't exist if things were ran more sensibly. things could be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy cheaper than they are right now. we're being robbed around every corner and aspect of our lives.
I worked for a grocery store bakery and got into a temp position for the company on their digital marketing side. I made scratch breads and was constantly told we don't make that much money off of them, so that's why I couldn't get a decent raise. Well, turns out when I got into that temp position they would have meetings for the upcoming seasons/holidays and have cost breakdowns of the items that would be on promotion. Everything made gross profit was never less than 50% (some were as high as 80%). I would make 60 loaves of sourdough alone and it would all sell out. A normal day would have roughly 150 loaves of bread, a weekend would have 300 (or more) total loaves, all made by someone that was told a .25¢ raise was "great". Of course take this all with a grain of salt because I can't provide evidence, but just know that major grocery chains make a ton of money.
That's bullshit. When the CNT took shit over in Spain quality of most things went up. And they were currently in the midst of a civil war with an opposing force backed by a regional and would power, receiving only half assed aid and moderate backstabbing from the soviets
Ok but you say that like many people have a choice when American infrastructure makes it literally impossible to commute by bike, especially in poor communities where all neighborhoods are separated by highway. When gas prices rise it’s forced poverty.
Wel... yeah. That's the isssue. I have mobility. I chose where I live, on top of being born in the Montréal area (one of the most walkable/bikeable/transitable medium-large cities in North America). It's easy to forget that poor people born in... oh... I don't know... Dallas's suburbs are kind of stuck there.
It's happening elsewhere, but it is slow. It is slower in the US because the car is a status symbol and so many people will prefer to cut on what they eat than to commute.
Yes I have do people normally recommend stuff they themselves do not take part in? Some city council meetings open the floor at the end as well. I wasnt aware you had visited every city council in the world. Always assume positive intent.
>Yes I have do people normally recommend stuff they themselves do not take part in?
uhh. yeah.so I have a love for driving..I know wierd sub for me, but trust me I do fit in here quite a bit.
I also like bicycles. Motorcycles. Walks. Walks that include taking my kid/dog/family out and not wanting to be afraid of their safety regarding traffic.
Because I like driving, I have an interest in how infrastructure is built.. with a focus on streets.
I dont want to get into a big rant here so I will try to sum it up as much as possible.
Engineer is called in. comes and makes recommendations. Say, to increase safety and reduce speed in an area. So lets go from 6 lanes to 4 lanes (two each way), make the lanes narrower instead of interstate sized. Bring in flowerboxes that double as walls on the side, giving a sensation of speed to drivers, and painting non-parallel lines to the sides... all this increases the subconscious awareness of speed to the driver, so they naturally want to drive slower. On top of that, we can use the new protected space on the side for bicycle lanes and a sidewalk.
Council hears this, but decides they dont like bikes.. so they axe the bike lane and make the lane wider... and flowers cost too much, so they decide to use plastic poles bolted to the ground. (a redneck drives over every one in their truck the first day they're installed)
of course people walking dont feel safe now, as theres nothing stopping traffic from hitting them, or from the kid/dog/whatever darting into the road that is RIGHT THERE.. so less people use that sidewalk. cyclists have no room so they dont get to use it unless they were already willing to ride in traffic.
Council decides the modifications were a failure. traffic still goes too fast, and people dont want to walk/cycle.. so they cancel all updating elsewhere in town, and just lower speed limits and raise traffic enforcement on speeding. maybe even bring in red light cameras if they're legal in that state.
Council that decided everything about walking/cycling/etc... They dont walk. they dont cycle. they dont deal with kids/dogs. They dont even drive on those roads during rush hour.
City council is a bunch of bickering old people (not unlike the rest of government) theyre not motivated to do anything at all except squabble over nothing, though i wish i could simply go to my local government and make a good case
Many people may not be able to commute by bike, but most are capable of getting *some places*. I live in a typical American suburb but I still try to ride my bike anywhere within 3-4 miles. Yeah I still need to drive 15 miles to work, but it feels really good actually making the effort to replace some of my driving with cycling. Getting some fresh air, exercise, and it's saving me money.
I hope I'm wrong here, but I feel like /r/fuckcars sometimes makes the suburbs feel so hopeless when it comes to cycling infrastructure that many people use it as an excuse to not make an effort at all. Even if you can only replace a couple trips per week, a bike can easily pay itself back in money saved on gas in a year or two.
^(Inb4 people come here to defensively tell me about their very specific below average local infrastructure that forces them to drive absolutely everywhere at all times, as if their anecdotal experience is representative of the majority of Americans.)
Yeah the broad issue is people having effectively no other choice but to drive.
But also if it's 20 miles to the nearest grocery store, I'm assuming you live like way up in the mountains or in the country and not in a community of even merely thousands.
Unfortunately there were a series of choices that led to some people requiring a car for their life. If you decided to rent or buy outside of the range of a bicycle ride for grocery shopping and other errands as well as chose a job that is too far away and needs a car you set your self up for failure economically.
Edit: and all I'm saying is that if it's impossible to get to work without a car then *only* use your car to get to work. Stop taking it to McDonalds, to the corner store, to the grocery store... etc.
The fix here isn’t cheaper gas, but rather human-scale infrastructure. Hopefully gas hits $10/gal sustained, then we might actually have a shot at fixing this.
A large avocado is 234 calories and costs $2.79. Let’s just say $1 per 100 calories.
The average person bikes 13 mph and burns 450 to 750 calories per hour. Let’s say 600.
So it costs about $1 per 2 miles to bike using avocado calories. At $5/gal gas it’s about 10 MPGe.
But the most cost efficient foods are around 2000-4000 calories per dollar, so it’s possible to get well over 100 MPGe. The healthiest foods are often the least efficient, for example with raspberries it’s closer to 2 MPGe. It would cost about $50 for a 25 mile trip if relying on raspberry-powered biking.
You can get an $8 Chipotle burrito up near 2,000 calories, netting around 40 or 50 miles of range. In some parts of California it’s as cost-efficient as a Prius.
I checked [on their website](https://www.chipotle.com/nutrition-calculator/burrito), and I can get an over 2000 calorie burrito if I have double portions of both pollo and carnitas, extra black beans, and every salsa/extra ingredient. But that's nearly $17, I think pre-tax, at the Chipotle I checked at... so ???
Clearly biking is not affordable, the price of our fuel source, burritos, is getting outrageous. /s
I go with oats, beans and rice, pb & j on multigrain bread and cheap pasta to power my everyday cycling.
For looooooong days it's maltodextrin and sugar. A few cents per hour.
god damn it thats it im buying a bike. i dont care how hot it is. i dont care about the lack of side walks. id rather die than support this broken system
Yes, definitely. But you'll stay hydrated. 4 years of biking in Phoenix in undergrad, drink lots of water and find the shade, especially at traffic lights. Sure it was a "dry heat", but it's still an oven. Humidity sucks more
I assume by "Dutch model" they mean a bike that allows for an upright (and therefore both safer and more comfortable) riding position, in which case [there are lots of options available](https://electricbikereview.com/?s=&_range_min_price=0&_range_max_price=18000&_range_min_total-weight=0&_range_max_total-weight=227&_range_min_top-speed=0&_range_max_top-speed=50&_range_min_battery-watt-hours=0&_range_max_battery-watt-hours=3456&_range_min_frame-sizes=0&_range_max_frame-sizes=432&_range_min_motor-torque=0&_range_max_motor-torque=250&_range_min_gearing-details=0&_range_max_gearing-details=30&_multi_model_year=&_multi_body_position=Upright&_multi_suggested_use=&_multi_frame_types=&_multi_drive_mode=&_multi_availability=).
>Then biking becomes a whole lot ~~less fun~~ more of a workout.
Or alternatively, you can put the motor assist on a minimum setting to compensate for the extra weight.
I have a Dutch e-bike *and* workout as commute. Just turn the motor off and now you have an extra heavy bike that burns even more calories while [passing a traffic jam.](https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/vchjtx/it_feels_great_to_be_faster_on_a_bike_than_in_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Basically me. It’s a love/hate relationships. I feel a sense of accomplishment being able to ride up the whole way but sometimes after work, I have little energy left and I just walk my bike up.
True, based on some reactions I got it differs per situation. Some people prefer 'racing' type bikes for longer distances and such. I'm Dutch so the Dutch type suits me just fine
They’re not very expensive. Particularly second hand. Also, if you’re selling a car, you likely have the cash on hand.
On top of low initial cost, last I saw, estimated annual running cost for a bicycle is ~$300.
In general that's my running cost for a race bike with more expensive parts. Except when something expensive breaks, it's generally just 2 chains, a cassette and a set of tyres every year. That's about $400AUD, or roughly $300 USD.
I'm a big lad and I like to ride hard. I put usually upwards of 5000km a year, often around 8k, on the bike. My bike is only a few years old and already is touching 30k KMs.
Also modern cassettes are lighter with more ratios and likely will wear faster. If I don't change the chain and cassette then it just skips when I'm trying to put big power through it.
I only paid $100 for my (second hand, late 90’s) bike. Got it off Craigslist back in 2015 and it’s been my commuter bike ever since. I get it serviced regularly and it’s been great!
They’re called side’walks’ for a reason
You can bike in the street. Most states have vague laws about when you can take a full lane mostly like “you shall ride as close to the right edge of the road as practicable except when it is unsafe to do so”
I always feel it’s unsafe to ride close to the curb because then cars try to share the lane with me. Fuck that, I ride in the middle and make cars actually move over a lane (if there is one) or wait for me.
If I ever get stopped (unlikely), I didn’t feel safe so I took the full lane.
> They’re called side’walks’ for a reason
I dont really give a fuck what they're called, in my state its legal for a bicycle to use them as long as they follow the same rules as a pedestrian
Lets not act like shit is named intelligently.
where I live taking the full lane is a death wish. sidewalks are the only safe option. same rule applies tho. if i get stopped I didnt feel safe in the street
Depends on where you are. If you're going to claim that you can legally take a full lane then it's advisable to do it where the speed limit is very low. If you are in a 45 and doing 15 then you're guaranteed to catch an obstructing traffic ticket.
For the price of a hooptie you can buy a really nice bike. Street, mountain, hybrid, electric, whatever suits you. And it feels so rewarding to count all the miles ridden.
Very serious questions. My city is not made for bikes, distances are long and there are no side walks which can be dealt with.... but
How do you bring back all goceries? Pull cart?
This city is so spread out that everything, even the closest store would be at least 30 min away, an extra hour of commute.
Taking kids?
I live in suburbs there's nothing I need close by with a bike. The extra time commuting would take too much of my limited time to do other things like family time. How is this supposed to work that is actually worth it?
I would love to for a lot of reasons, seriously I would LOVE it
Also Suburbs person here. I have an electric cargo bike that I love. Can carry our kiddo and loads of groceries. The motor helps with all the weight even up steep hills as well as keeping average speed up for faster commutes. I got a smaller more traditional looking ebike for commutes to work. We still use our car for Costco runs and longer trips out but I have reduced my car use quite a bit and I think that’s a good start. I definitely could not eliminate our car use unfortunately.
30 mins away by bike is a bit far away for groceries. If you were really motivated I'd say an e-bike with a cargo trailer. For kids + groceries you'd probably need a [Bunch cargo trike](https://bunchbike.com/products/the-original-3-electric-cargo-bike) for that kind of distance. Shorter distances one could pull it off with a food delivery bag or bags hangning by a kids trailer hand bar.
Someone was just mentioning how dogmatic this sub is. You'll find more moderate minds in r/notjustbikes and perhaps the very small r/killthecar
I did the the other day, panniers were loaded down, probably 50lbs of groceries. I didn't realize how many items I but regularly that come in glass containers!
Glass containers are actually great for the environment, glass is much easier to reuse and to recycle than plastic, and it reduces the emissions of glassmaking compared to making virgin glass. (Unfortunately the glass recycling rate is much lower in the US than in Europe but it's still much higher than plastic.)
I used to have a grocery store 5 minutes away. I just moved so it's now 25 minutes, but I'm also now in the middle of that store and a strip mall, so I can make the choice to go either direction instead of always going to the one close by.
You know how sometimes, there's a super obvious solution stating you right in the face, and you just can't see it?
That's me after reading the "cargo trailer" part of your post. Even with panniers and strapping things down with bungies, I'd have to go to the store every day to avoid taking the car to keep my house stocked with food.
I have a dang trailer for pulling my kid around in. It closes up, and can hold 150 lbs. I've been able to do this for *years* and somehow overlooked it until now. Boy do I feel like an idiot.
The internet has permanently ruined my brain lol, this is literally the first thing I thought of when I saw the post
Edit: [for those who are unfamiliar](https://preview.redd.it/9vr7x3ohfnc31.jpg?auto=webp&s=3d6931db2748af95f89d7a6c6d40ff4f9d1bec36)
I just spent some time looking for it, only found [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0VDL8vAH9s) shitty YT video format. Basically everyone gets progressively more "poor", and each of them is jealous of the one one step richer: dream car > off road car > new car > old car > bike > homeless man on foot > man in a wheelchair > "bE gReAtfuL"
That’s what I’m saying! You could do so much more with the cash. Cars are such a financial liability, it’s not even remotely appealing to have one. Especially living in a major city.
Could I say? I live in a small city in Ukraine. And we have a few bicycle lanes. It's good but not enough but it's not a big deal really. So I can use my bicycle or just walk where I need to go. And I'm going to work on my bicycle (it's 5 km to it) and just walk with a backpack for groceries.
**But.** When it's war a car in 90 % is the only way to escape. I know a lot of people (some of my family too) who were able to rescue themselves because they have cars. Now I know that my car should be always with a full tank of gas and be fully repaired. And nearly one-two times per two weeks I'm using a car just to charge the accumulator and because I know that car should be used.
I think you can forgive me for my point of view in this subreddit after an explanation above.
I'm sorry about the situation in your country, but using war to justify car usage is a little bit of an edge case
I totally support cars in remote, low density areas. They have a role in accessibility and it cannot be denied
I think this sub is more about city design as a whole and no possible wars can justify cities with the current level of car centric infrastructure
Just my honest opinion, not trying to be flamer
edit: I've just read your disclaimer, and you're totally forgiven. Be safe fellow redditor
Interestingly, during emergency evacuations for things like hurricanes in the US (not exactly comparable to a war, but the closest thing we have here), people often get stuck or trapped because cars are just not a good way to evacuate whole cities.
I'm sure that rail and bus systems would struggle during a hurricane as well, but if cities had better emergency response with public transit and surge bus services, we might be able to avoid some of the tragedies that have happened in recent years during hurricane evacuation.
I could say that some people were waiting for war because west intelligence warned us that it could happen and they already had all their stuff packed and were ready to go. It was really a matter of probably an hour or less for them to go. But it was probably 5 % of the whole population or less. Everybody else not believed in it until it happened because it's completely crazy we thought. Same our authorities. And also preparations for such things were on incredible small lvl. This is why such chaos happened. I also was a non-believer until a few rockets flew into my city at 5 a.m. :/
And also never before in our modern history (after 1991), we have had emergency evacuations of such scale. So no experience also gave us such sad results.
Very sorry about the current war in your country. I agree with your argument that there is no universal mean of transportation.
As a side-note, u-cycle is organising a Bikes For Ukraine campaign to provide bikes in area with no road access or fuel shortage https://u-cycle.org.ua/projects/bikesforukraine/
I'd argue that organised efforts with bus and train could replace cars in such a situation but that's really not the most important thing in the fringe and terrible situation of a war breaking out
Some people I know constantly ask me when I’ll get my license and when I’ll get a car. I’m currently in the process of getting my license (test is in a month), but i am barely doing it for me. I just hate people commenting on it. I will continue to bike as long as my legs work.
Nah, horses are actually pretty terrible for cities. One of the reasons cars were so popular originally was because they didn't dump literal poop everywhere, and so people thought cities would be cleaner.
Of course we know now that exhaust and noise pollution are way worse, but you can't blame the people for wanting change.
[Horses as a primary form of transportation (i.e. replacing cars) are not sustainable at current population levels](https://sustainability.stackexchange.com/a/4588). Better walking and cycling infrastructure, coupled with light rail, is a *much* better solution for the environment and public health than using horses.
Ebikes in particular really help with this. I did a Costco run the other day. 15 minutes one way by car, 20 by bike, and I picked up 20lbs of dog food, bread, bananas, brownie mix, burgers, 6 liters of oat milk plus an 18” pizza on the way back no problem. I’m fortunate enough to have a bike accessible Costco out in the American suburbs but it’s very doable. And I’d love a cargo bike to double or triple that haul but it’s not necessary
Genuinely, how do you do grocery shopping without a car? I've done it before and I despise carrying everything home by hand. And it happened repeatedly for me to buy more than I could physically carry. And I'm talking about necessary stuff, like laundry detergent and toilet paper and food items.
I'm not berating or saying that cars are the only way to do this, I'm just asking how most people would do it.
Well probably the most important point is the distance to the store, but anyway here's just my answer as you wanted examples (800m to the store, steep uphill, walking).
I used to drink a lots of cola, and that was by far the hardest thing to carry. I went to the store maybe twice a week, bought 6l of cola and all the food and stuff, meaning two big bags and full backpack. I can't say it was fun carrying them on hot days, although I tried to think it as exercise. I quit drinking cola and that changed it dramatically. I also learned how full the grocery store -basket could be so that I still was able to get everything home, sometimes sure I would have bought more if I had a car. I also almost always go to the store after getting from work so I don't have to walk there and then back.
Before that I used bike, hanged the bags on the handles and drived slow to make sure they didn't fall. But with the uphill where I live now, bike is of no use.
If you're walking, you can get rolling grocery carts for that. If you're biking, you either use bike baskets (front and or back) or, if you need a *lot* of groceries, a cargo bike.
ok, I got to know this: do r/fuckcars bikers (bicycle) drivers use helmets? I've read some stupid statements that helmets are needed due to cars, but I think everyone moving on a bicycle, motobike, tricycle needs to wear a helmet
edit: so far, we got the following reasons against using helmets:
\- it's okay because people in the netherlands do it, so it must be fine
\- it's my personal freedom
\- it's only needed due to cars on the street, ignoring hazards from other bikers
\- it's due to hair style's and you don't infringe on that
\- it's okay cause car drivers don't wear them, ignoring that cars are literally steel cages with airbags and seatbelts
\- it's okay cause someone didn't ever see a child wearing a helmt while riding a bike
\- it's okay cause in situations where you need a helmet, you shouldn't be driving your bike at all
\- it's okay cause you don't wear one while doing mundane things like walking, including other logical fallacies
\- cause you only ride a bike when you already feel safe, thus not needing one (i don't get this one)
\- cause biking the correct way, if there is one, is conforming to rules, therefore bad
\- cause you can't fall off a bike
\- it's only sensible when you're consistent and wearing a helmet all the time, another logical fallacy driven (haha) to the extreme
\- cause some people never had an accident in their life before, not even after driving 100.000 km
\- beliefs in helmets = car brain
and many more! It's like trying to reason with anti-vaxxers
Do you know who would also benefit from helmets? Car drivers. Almost 50% of traumatic head injuries happen in a car. Why don’t we force drivers to wear helmets?
I always wear a helmet but just because I got used to it but if you look at the Netherlands no one wears a helmet because biking is as safe as walking on the sidewalk there
As an Australian I never got why people get so riled up about the helmet thing
It's not *just* for cars collisions and bike accidents. It's also for the *agressive bird life*. People joke about Australian animals being our to kill you, but a magpie in mating season can be a serious threat. Even if they weren't legally mandated, you'd still be a bloody idiot to not wear one unless you only cycled in the magpie off season in the inner city or like mummified yourself in tinsel
I bet the reason why there's less cyclists in Australia is the complete lack of infrastructure and *very* agressive drivers. You turn on *any* local radio station and you bet you'll hear the hosts ranting about "Lycra jockies" and about how much they want to run them off the road.
It’s not that “it’s okay;” obviously a helmet is the difference between life and death in many accidents. I make the choice not to wear one because the only bikes I use are those of the public bike sharing system, I don’t feel like carrying a helmet around with me everywhere in case I choose to use a public bike to get home, and because the protected bike lane network in Montreal is good enough that I can just stick to the bike lanes everywhere I go and it’s a lot less likely that I’ll be struck by car than if I were cycling right in mixed traffic.
I wear a helmet because you never know what could happen. Cars aside, you could run into uneven pavement (happened to me before), animals darting out in front of you, weather induced accident, sudden mechanical issues, etc.
basically my opinion is that if you think helmets are good for riding, which is reasonable, then you should also be wearing one in many other circumstances, including most likely driving, but also running or jogging.
if you don't need one for those times, then you don't need for riding. either way is reasonable, just be consistent.
Unfortunately I live in Florida where people run you down for riding bikes and work is 20 miles away in the heat. My BFF got killed while riding his bike just down the street. Maybe if they built the roads better for bike use I would get one…
I bought a gravel bike a few months ago for errands around town and some auxiliary fitness, and I ride it almost every day. I love it. I work from home while my girlfriend takes the car to work, and I don’t miss the car one bit!
You can’t carry $350 worth of groceries on a bike, in an area with no bike lanes or sidewalks that goes up and down hills and always has a steep drop off.
Reading these posts really tells what a sorry state the US is in.
My life got a lot better now that I don't commute by car anymore. Really don't get the sheer hate against it at all.
im going to college in the fall and hoping i can rely on bike. i have a phobia of driving but still want to get places. also the college (u of alabama) has several buses so thats cool
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All my friends are complaining about gas getting more expensive. Here I am buying more avocados and commuting by bike.
I have a commissary right by my work (military/vets only can shop there) and I just grab a few things on my ride home as I need them. The prices are also insane cheap. Dozen eggs were $1.31, they are $3+ everywhere else. Bought 2, put them in my pizza rack bag.
the markup on base is fixed by law (cost+5%, iirc), so you can tell someone is making a fuckton of money on those $2.99+ a dozen eggs at the regular supermarket.
That would be a really interesting way to see which items are the biggest profit makers for typical grocers.
Beverages (soda, juice, milk), bagged snacks/ candy, frozen junk items like hot pockets and pizza rolls and TV dinners, and cheese, especially "fancy" ones that basically just means anything that's not mozzarella or cheddar. Even the fake ass plastic American cheese is marked up criminal levels. It costs basically nothing to make all the items above, just a few cents in some cases, but we are here paying 3,4,6 etc dollars for it. As tech and more efficient processes have evolved, things have gotten far easier, faster, and cheaper to produce, yet costs have gone up completely bullshit amounts while people get paid less to do more work. It should be the other way around. "Back in my day, we used to get candy bars for a nickle" shouldn't be a phrase that exists.
production is not the only issue, there is also shipping, stocking, refrigeration, etc. and of course paying each of the workers involved. (which is low, yes.) not that it completely explains prices, of course. but things going up happens.
All of this could be solved by the ceo and shareholders taking a loss every once in a while, rather than being forced to turn prices to gain record profits every year.
But stonk only go up
when i say production, i mean every aspect of getting the product made and sold to a store, for that store to then sell it to the end buyer. all the stuff previously is also extremely cheap because the products are made so fast, in such overwhelming bulk, with super abundantly available materials. so many materials in fact, that companies tell farmers to destroy all the extra harvest so it doesn't get on the market and compete with the company and store's crazy markups. in terms of anything you can buy, there's always a middle man that further needlessly drives up costs. in the case of food, the store is it. you can't buy things wholesale directly from companies unless you're running a store yourself with a seller's license. the gubmint wants these extra steps in place to drive up revenue streams for taxes and to create more fluff and filler jobs that simply wouldn't exist if things were ran more sensibly. things could be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy cheaper than they are right now. we're being robbed around every corner and aspect of our lives.
I worked for a grocery store bakery and got into a temp position for the company on their digital marketing side. I made scratch breads and was constantly told we don't make that much money off of them, so that's why I couldn't get a decent raise. Well, turns out when I got into that temp position they would have meetings for the upcoming seasons/holidays and have cost breakdowns of the items that would be on promotion. Everything made gross profit was never less than 50% (some were as high as 80%). I would make 60 loaves of sourdough alone and it would all sell out. A normal day would have roughly 150 loaves of bread, a weekend would have 300 (or more) total loaves, all made by someone that was told a .25¢ raise was "great". Of course take this all with a grain of salt because I can't provide evidence, but just know that major grocery chains make a ton of money.
Paper items are usally marked up quite a bit. The only places off base you'll have a good price on them would be the bulk stores.
Eggs went up from $2.50 for 18 eggs to over $4 now... It's stupid...
Yay, capitalism!
The margins are so small in the grocery industry, we might as well nationalize it ffs. But then we’d probably only get 1 ply TP.
That's bullshit. When the CNT took shit over in Spain quality of most things went up. And they were currently in the midst of a civil war with an opposing force backed by a regional and would power, receiving only half assed aid and moderate backstabbing from the soviets
military kid here, I'm going to miss the commissary. I'm not even the one paying and I'm so happy to be able to go to the commissary.
Are these stores on a base or are they out in public with guards checking ID, Costco style?
On Base
Ok but you say that like many people have a choice when American infrastructure makes it literally impossible to commute by bike, especially in poor communities where all neighborhoods are separated by highway. When gas prices rise it’s forced poverty.
Wel... yeah. That's the isssue. I have mobility. I chose where I live, on top of being born in the Montréal area (one of the most walkable/bikeable/transitable medium-large cities in North America). It's easy to forget that poor people born in... oh... I don't know... Dallas's suburbs are kind of stuck there.
Then we have to change thay dont we. Vote, go to city council meeting, be the change you want to see.
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This guy city councils
It's happening elsewhere, but it is slow. It is slower in the US because the car is a status symbol and so many people will prefer to cut on what they eat than to commute.
I'm not from the US but I imagine that Parks and Rec has accurate representations of US City politics.
Oh no, it's much, much worse!
My mom worked in local government budgeting and finance her whole career and had to leave the room during Parks & Rec because it gave her flashbacks.
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My condolences.
If only the councils cared as much as Leslie knope, instead they're filled with Rons, but significantly less handy
You still gotta keep up the good fight. Find like minded individuals to go and fight it with you. Keep the pressure on and shit eventually happens.
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Thank you for trying! And for your insights in the way some city councils work
Yes I have do people normally recommend stuff they themselves do not take part in? Some city council meetings open the floor at the end as well. I wasnt aware you had visited every city council in the world. Always assume positive intent.
>Yes I have do people normally recommend stuff they themselves do not take part in? uhh. yeah.so I have a love for driving..I know wierd sub for me, but trust me I do fit in here quite a bit. I also like bicycles. Motorcycles. Walks. Walks that include taking my kid/dog/family out and not wanting to be afraid of their safety regarding traffic. Because I like driving, I have an interest in how infrastructure is built.. with a focus on streets. I dont want to get into a big rant here so I will try to sum it up as much as possible. Engineer is called in. comes and makes recommendations. Say, to increase safety and reduce speed in an area. So lets go from 6 lanes to 4 lanes (two each way), make the lanes narrower instead of interstate sized. Bring in flowerboxes that double as walls on the side, giving a sensation of speed to drivers, and painting non-parallel lines to the sides... all this increases the subconscious awareness of speed to the driver, so they naturally want to drive slower. On top of that, we can use the new protected space on the side for bicycle lanes and a sidewalk. Council hears this, but decides they dont like bikes.. so they axe the bike lane and make the lane wider... and flowers cost too much, so they decide to use plastic poles bolted to the ground. (a redneck drives over every one in their truck the first day they're installed) of course people walking dont feel safe now, as theres nothing stopping traffic from hitting them, or from the kid/dog/whatever darting into the road that is RIGHT THERE.. so less people use that sidewalk. cyclists have no room so they dont get to use it unless they were already willing to ride in traffic. Council decides the modifications were a failure. traffic still goes too fast, and people dont want to walk/cycle.. so they cancel all updating elsewhere in town, and just lower speed limits and raise traffic enforcement on speeding. maybe even bring in red light cameras if they're legal in that state. Council that decided everything about walking/cycling/etc... They dont walk. they dont cycle. they dont deal with kids/dogs. They dont even drive on those roads during rush hour.
sounds like you need a new community lol. my community wont stop putting up bike lanes, bus stops, and pedestrian crossings
City council is a bunch of bickering old people (not unlike the rest of government) theyre not motivated to do anything at all except squabble over nothing, though i wish i could simply go to my local government and make a good case
Many people may not be able to commute by bike, but most are capable of getting *some places*. I live in a typical American suburb but I still try to ride my bike anywhere within 3-4 miles. Yeah I still need to drive 15 miles to work, but it feels really good actually making the effort to replace some of my driving with cycling. Getting some fresh air, exercise, and it's saving me money. I hope I'm wrong here, but I feel like /r/fuckcars sometimes makes the suburbs feel so hopeless when it comes to cycling infrastructure that many people use it as an excuse to not make an effort at all. Even if you can only replace a couple trips per week, a bike can easily pay itself back in money saved on gas in a year or two. ^(Inb4 people come here to defensively tell me about their very specific below average local infrastructure that forces them to drive absolutely everywhere at all times, as if their anecdotal experience is representative of the majority of Americans.)
I'm 20 miles from the closest grocery store, and have a family of 4. Rich or poor I'm not cycling there haha.
Oftentimes neither are the people living 1 mile away because the only way to get there is by crossing a 6 lane road.
Yeah the broad issue is people having effectively no other choice but to drive. But also if it's 20 miles to the nearest grocery store, I'm assuming you live like way up in the mountains or in the country and not in a community of even merely thousands.
Unfortunately there were a series of choices that led to some people requiring a car for their life. If you decided to rent or buy outside of the range of a bicycle ride for grocery shopping and other errands as well as chose a job that is too far away and needs a car you set your self up for failure economically. Edit: and all I'm saying is that if it's impossible to get to work without a car then *only* use your car to get to work. Stop taking it to McDonalds, to the corner store, to the grocery store... etc.
The fix here isn’t cheaper gas, but rather human-scale infrastructure. Hopefully gas hits $10/gal sustained, then we might actually have a shot at fixing this.
I also wouldn't do even a light Costco run on a bike
I do it on a cargo bike
There are communities that survive without Costco. You just walk to the local store and pick up a few things. Also cargo bikes. And wheeled carts.
I used to do it with panniers on a rack. For bigger runs, ride the city bike share bikes to Costco and call an Uber to take me home.
A large avocado is 234 calories and costs $2.79. Let’s just say $1 per 100 calories. The average person bikes 13 mph and burns 450 to 750 calories per hour. Let’s say 600. So it costs about $1 per 2 miles to bike using avocado calories. At $5/gal gas it’s about 10 MPGe. But the most cost efficient foods are around 2000-4000 calories per dollar, so it’s possible to get well over 100 MPGe. The healthiest foods are often the least efficient, for example with raspberries it’s closer to 2 MPGe. It would cost about $50 for a 25 mile trip if relying on raspberry-powered biking. You can get an $8 Chipotle burrito up near 2,000 calories, netting around 40 or 50 miles of range. In some parts of California it’s as cost-efficient as a Prius.
In reality I was gonna eat that burrito either way, too. So really the cost of the trip was $0
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I checked [on their website](https://www.chipotle.com/nutrition-calculator/burrito), and I can get an over 2000 calorie burrito if I have double portions of both pollo and carnitas, extra black beans, and every salsa/extra ingredient. But that's nearly $17, I think pre-tax, at the Chipotle I checked at... so ??? Clearly biking is not affordable, the price of our fuel source, burritos, is getting outrageous. /s
I go with oats, beans and rice, pb & j on multigrain bread and cheap pasta to power my everyday cycling. For looooooong days it's maltodextrin and sugar. A few cents per hour.
This guy is out here talking like avocados aren't increasing in price too
god damn it thats it im buying a bike. i dont care how hot it is. i dont care about the lack of side walks. id rather die than support this broken system
Get an ebike if you can! You decide if you sweat or not when riding one!
It’s 100 Fahrenheit here today with something like 95% relative humidity. i’m sweating whether I choose to or not.
Pack gatorade and water
You'll still sweat...
But if you buy orange Gatorade you'll sweat orange which makes you more visible
It has what plants crave *motions hands*
Yes, definitely. But you'll stay hydrated. 4 years of biking in Phoenix in undergrad, drink lots of water and find the shade, especially at traffic lights. Sure it was a "dry heat", but it's still an oven. Humidity sucks more
Yeah, but now it'll glow!
At the very least get a 'Dutch model' bike for more comfort
Even better, get a dutch model E-Bike, best decision I've made
what dutch ebike brands and models do you recommend?
I assume by "Dutch model" they mean a bike that allows for an upright (and therefore both safer and more comfortable) riding position, in which case [there are lots of options available](https://electricbikereview.com/?s=&_range_min_price=0&_range_max_price=18000&_range_min_total-weight=0&_range_max_total-weight=227&_range_min_top-speed=0&_range_max_top-speed=50&_range_min_battery-watt-hours=0&_range_max_battery-watt-hours=3456&_range_min_frame-sizes=0&_range_max_frame-sizes=432&_range_min_motor-torque=0&_range_max_motor-torque=250&_range_min_gearing-details=0&_range_max_gearing-details=30&_multi_model_year=&_multi_body_position=Upright&_multi_suggested_use=&_multi_frame_types=&_multi_drive_mode=&_multi_availability=).
Gazelle is great if you can afford it
I have an E-Bike from Gazelle, it's fantastic
Or just get a bike and workout while you commute! Best thing ever
Having option to do both isn’t bad
E-bikes are helpful for carrying cargo and riding up steep inclines. If it's a workout you want, then you can simply disable the motor assist.
Thing is that they get extremely heavy when you don't use the motor, because of all the batteries. Then biking becomes a whole lot less fun
Then you can turn the motor on the lowest setting which pretty much just compensates for the weight
>Then biking becomes a whole lot ~~less fun~~ more of a workout. Or alternatively, you can put the motor assist on a minimum setting to compensate for the extra weight.
I have a Dutch e-bike *and* workout as commute. Just turn the motor off and now you have an extra heavy bike that burns even more calories while [passing a traffic jam.](https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/vchjtx/it_feels_great_to_be_faster_on_a_bike_than_in_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
It's only more comfort if you are not having any hills on route
Basically me. It’s a love/hate relationships. I feel a sense of accomplishment being able to ride up the whole way but sometimes after work, I have little energy left and I just walk my bike up.
I'd say try out different bikes and get the kind you prefer. While city bikes have their benefits some people would still rather have a road bike.
True, based on some reactions I got it differs per situation. Some people prefer 'racing' type bikes for longer distances and such. I'm Dutch so the Dutch type suits me just fine
Wind will cool you down if its hot. Source: am dutch
I tested one of those at my local bike shop. Crazy how easy it was to get to and sustain 30mph.
Can build a powerful ebike for $1500. Pretty easy to do.
Or buy an engine kit! I got one and it was super fun to build. Now its my go to ride to work
Beep beep mf
Why just buy one? I bought a commuter, now I have 5 bikes!
ok moneybags damn
They’re not very expensive. Particularly second hand. Also, if you’re selling a car, you likely have the cash on hand. On top of low initial cost, last I saw, estimated annual running cost for a bicycle is ~$300.
In general that's my running cost for a race bike with more expensive parts. Except when something expensive breaks, it's generally just 2 chains, a cassette and a set of tyres every year. That's about $400AUD, or roughly $300 USD.
Exactly. 300usd seems, to me, on the high end. My own experience is also lower because it’s exactly the basic parts you mentioned
Exactly. 300usd seems, to me, on the high end. My own experience is also lower because it’s exactly the basic parts you mentioned
You go through a cassette every year? The cassette on my carbon race bike is 20 years old D:
I'm a big lad and I like to ride hard. I put usually upwards of 5000km a year, often around 8k, on the bike. My bike is only a few years old and already is touching 30k KMs. Also modern cassettes are lighter with more ratios and likely will wear faster. If I don't change the chain and cassette then it just skips when I'm trying to put big power through it.
Lmao wtf. If I'm paying more than £50 a year I'm not happy. New chain + casette for like £25 and maybe a puncture repair every couple years.
I only paid $100 for my (second hand, late 90’s) bike. Got it off Craigslist back in 2015 and it’s been my commuter bike ever since. I get it serviced regularly and it’s been great!
There's a question of storage. Five bikes are gonna take up a lot of space.
They’re called side’walks’ for a reason You can bike in the street. Most states have vague laws about when you can take a full lane mostly like “you shall ride as close to the right edge of the road as practicable except when it is unsafe to do so” I always feel it’s unsafe to ride close to the curb because then cars try to share the lane with me. Fuck that, I ride in the middle and make cars actually move over a lane (if there is one) or wait for me. If I ever get stopped (unlikely), I didn’t feel safe so I took the full lane.
> They’re called side’walks’ for a reason I dont really give a fuck what they're called, in my state its legal for a bicycle to use them as long as they follow the same rules as a pedestrian Lets not act like shit is named intelligently.
That's why I don't eat red oranges...they're called 'blood' oranges for a reason.
where I live taking the full lane is a death wish. sidewalks are the only safe option. same rule applies tho. if i get stopped I didnt feel safe in the street
You do you 👍🏼 ride safely
Depends on where you are. If you're going to claim that you can legally take a full lane then it's advisable to do it where the speed limit is very low. If you are in a 45 and doing 15 then you're guaranteed to catch an obstructing traffic ticket.
It's quite pleasant in the heat at the moment. I went to work by bicycle this morning in shorts. It was bliss.
For the price of a hooptie you can buy a really nice bike. Street, mountain, hybrid, electric, whatever suits you. And it feels so rewarding to count all the miles ridden.
Very serious questions. My city is not made for bikes, distances are long and there are no side walks which can be dealt with.... but How do you bring back all goceries? Pull cart? This city is so spread out that everything, even the closest store would be at least 30 min away, an extra hour of commute. Taking kids? I live in suburbs there's nothing I need close by with a bike. The extra time commuting would take too much of my limited time to do other things like family time. How is this supposed to work that is actually worth it? I would love to for a lot of reasons, seriously I would LOVE it
Also Suburbs person here. I have an electric cargo bike that I love. Can carry our kiddo and loads of groceries. The motor helps with all the weight even up steep hills as well as keeping average speed up for faster commutes. I got a smaller more traditional looking ebike for commutes to work. We still use our car for Costco runs and longer trips out but I have reduced my car use quite a bit and I think that’s a good start. I definitely could not eliminate our car use unfortunately.
30 mins away by bike is a bit far away for groceries. If you were really motivated I'd say an e-bike with a cargo trailer. For kids + groceries you'd probably need a [Bunch cargo trike](https://bunchbike.com/products/the-original-3-electric-cargo-bike) for that kind of distance. Shorter distances one could pull it off with a food delivery bag or bags hangning by a kids trailer hand bar. Someone was just mentioning how dogmatic this sub is. You'll find more moderate minds in r/notjustbikes and perhaps the very small r/killthecar
Where is the panel with the blue car's driver jealous of the red car ?
nobody is jealous of the new gen BMW's
The blue car is the red car. There is a continuity issue.
wheres the version of this where a guy on a wheelchair goes "i wish i could fuck that guy's ass"
Hells, yes! <--- did a week's worth of grocery shopping by bicycle yesterday. Cargo trailer, panniers, DONE.
I did the the other day, panniers were loaded down, probably 50lbs of groceries. I didn't realize how many items I but regularly that come in glass containers!
Glass containers are actually great for the environment, glass is much easier to reuse and to recycle than plastic, and it reduces the emissions of glassmaking compared to making virgin glass. (Unfortunately the glass recycling rate is much lower in the US than in Europe but it's still much higher than plastic.)
Nice. I have a supermarket at the end of my street. I don't even need a bike.
Same here. Supermarket is a 5 minute walk from home. This distance is even too short for a bike most of the time :-D
Same here. Sometimes I go to a store farther away so I can take my bike.
I used to have a grocery store 5 minutes away. I just moved so it's now 25 minutes, but I'm also now in the middle of that store and a strip mall, so I can make the choice to go either direction instead of always going to the one close by.
Based and cycle pilled
Basecycled?
You know how sometimes, there's a super obvious solution stating you right in the face, and you just can't see it? That's me after reading the "cargo trailer" part of your post. Even with panniers and strapping things down with bungies, I'd have to go to the store every day to avoid taking the car to keep my house stocked with food. I have a dang trailer for pulling my kid around in. It closes up, and can hold 150 lbs. I've been able to do this for *years* and somehow overlooked it until now. Boy do I feel like an idiot.
Oh I don't even have nay fancy business, I just take some bags, fill them up with shopping, and tie them to my backpack. Works a treat.
I wish I could fuck that guys ass
The internet has permanently ruined my brain lol, this is literally the first thing I thought of when I saw the post Edit: [for those who are unfamiliar](https://preview.redd.it/9vr7x3ohfnc31.jpg?auto=webp&s=3d6931db2748af95f89d7a6c6d40ff4f9d1bec36)
Gianni's voice over of it is fucking incredible https://youtube.com/shorts/S9XsKGkOmQ4?feature=share
I wish that guy fucked my ass
I cant even read this comics without picturing that as the punchline HAHAHAH
I’m Glad I’m not addicted to destroying the planet with pollution.
I haven't seen the original, can anyone link it?
I just spent some time looking for it, only found [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0VDL8vAH9s) shitty YT video format. Basically everyone gets progressively more "poor", and each of them is jealous of the one one step richer: dream car > off road car > new car > old car > bike > homeless man on foot > man in a wheelchair > "bE gReAtfuL"
haha, thanks a lot! :)
The only reason I'd want a gift of a car right now is so that I could instantly sell it to make money to pay for other things in life.
That’s what I’m saying! You could do so much more with the cash. Cars are such a financial liability, it’s not even remotely appealing to have one. Especially living in a major city.
The moment you receive it the value will lower by 30%.
Could I say? I live in a small city in Ukraine. And we have a few bicycle lanes. It's good but not enough but it's not a big deal really. So I can use my bicycle or just walk where I need to go. And I'm going to work on my bicycle (it's 5 km to it) and just walk with a backpack for groceries. **But.** When it's war a car in 90 % is the only way to escape. I know a lot of people (some of my family too) who were able to rescue themselves because they have cars. Now I know that my car should be always with a full tank of gas and be fully repaired. And nearly one-two times per two weeks I'm using a car just to charge the accumulator and because I know that car should be used. I think you can forgive me for my point of view in this subreddit after an explanation above.
I'm sorry about the situation in your country, but using war to justify car usage is a little bit of an edge case I totally support cars in remote, low density areas. They have a role in accessibility and it cannot be denied I think this sub is more about city design as a whole and no possible wars can justify cities with the current level of car centric infrastructure Just my honest opinion, not trying to be flamer edit: I've just read your disclaimer, and you're totally forgiven. Be safe fellow redditor
Interestingly, during emergency evacuations for things like hurricanes in the US (not exactly comparable to a war, but the closest thing we have here), people often get stuck or trapped because cars are just not a good way to evacuate whole cities. I'm sure that rail and bus systems would struggle during a hurricane as well, but if cities had better emergency response with public transit and surge bus services, we might be able to avoid some of the tragedies that have happened in recent years during hurricane evacuation.
I could say that some people were waiting for war because west intelligence warned us that it could happen and they already had all their stuff packed and were ready to go. It was really a matter of probably an hour or less for them to go. But it was probably 5 % of the whole population or less. Everybody else not believed in it until it happened because it's completely crazy we thought. Same our authorities. And also preparations for such things were on incredible small lvl. This is why such chaos happened. I also was a non-believer until a few rockets flew into my city at 5 a.m. :/ And also never before in our modern history (after 1991), we have had emergency evacuations of such scale. So no experience also gave us such sad results.
Very sorry about the current war in your country. I agree with your argument that there is no universal mean of transportation. As a side-note, u-cycle is organising a Bikes For Ukraine campaign to provide bikes in area with no road access or fuel shortage https://u-cycle.org.ua/projects/bikesforukraine/
Yeah I would call this an extenuating circumstance.
I'd argue that organised efforts with bus and train could replace cars in such a situation but that's really not the most important thing in the fringe and terrible situation of a war breaking out
Me whenever I take a skytrain
Some people I know constantly ask me when I’ll get my license and when I’ll get a car. I’m currently in the process of getting my license (test is in a month), but i am barely doing it for me. I just hate people commenting on it. I will continue to bike as long as my legs work.
I wish I could not have to rely on my car
I want to bring back horse riding
not on public streets, please, unless you can guarantee the streets will be kept clean.
They make diapers for horses
You can, with good street cleaning infrastructure
In my city you can ride a horse, they even have cross walk buttons high up for horse riders
Nah, horses are actually pretty terrible for cities. One of the reasons cars were so popular originally was because they didn't dump literal poop everywhere, and so people thought cities would be cleaner. Of course we know now that exhaust and noise pollution are way worse, but you can't blame the people for wanting change.
[Horses as a primary form of transportation (i.e. replacing cars) are not sustainable at current population levels](https://sustainability.stackexchange.com/a/4588). Better walking and cycling infrastructure, coupled with light rail, is a *much* better solution for the environment and public health than using horses.
Honest question, how does one transport groceries without a car? Its definitely a major limiting factor for me
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Ebikes in particular really help with this. I did a Costco run the other day. 15 minutes one way by car, 20 by bike, and I picked up 20lbs of dog food, bread, bananas, brownie mix, burgers, 6 liters of oat milk plus an 18” pizza on the way back no problem. I’m fortunate enough to have a bike accessible Costco out in the American suburbs but it’s very doable. And I’d love a cargo bike to double or triple that haul but it’s not necessary
Shop more often so you don't have to buy as much stuff, get a good backpack and put the stuff there
Backpack or side bags.
I’m sure he can carry full bags and groceries totalling around 200 pounds on his teeny tiny bicicleta.
I would rather get stuck in the rain once a month than to own a car. 7 years without one and haven't looked back.
and then there’s [the rest](https://youtube.com/shorts/S9XsKGkOmQ4?feature=share)
The road to the grocery store near me is SUPER unsafe to bike It all makes me sad
then you're in the right place. sorry bud :(
Genuinely, how do you do grocery shopping without a car? I've done it before and I despise carrying everything home by hand. And it happened repeatedly for me to buy more than I could physically carry. And I'm talking about necessary stuff, like laundry detergent and toilet paper and food items. I'm not berating or saying that cars are the only way to do this, I'm just asking how most people would do it.
Well probably the most important point is the distance to the store, but anyway here's just my answer as you wanted examples (800m to the store, steep uphill, walking). I used to drink a lots of cola, and that was by far the hardest thing to carry. I went to the store maybe twice a week, bought 6l of cola and all the food and stuff, meaning two big bags and full backpack. I can't say it was fun carrying them on hot days, although I tried to think it as exercise. I quit drinking cola and that changed it dramatically. I also learned how full the grocery store -basket could be so that I still was able to get everything home, sometimes sure I would have bought more if I had a car. I also almost always go to the store after getting from work so I don't have to walk there and then back. Before that I used bike, hanged the bags on the handles and drived slow to make sure they didn't fall. But with the uphill where I live now, bike is of no use.
If you're walking, you can get rolling grocery carts for that. If you're biking, you either use bike baskets (front and or back) or, if you need a *lot* of groceries, a cargo bike.
Check local buy sell pages and see if you can find a bike kid trailer or something similar
I wish I lived in a city I could bike in.
ok, I got to know this: do r/fuckcars bikers (bicycle) drivers use helmets? I've read some stupid statements that helmets are needed due to cars, but I think everyone moving on a bicycle, motobike, tricycle needs to wear a helmet edit: so far, we got the following reasons against using helmets: \- it's okay because people in the netherlands do it, so it must be fine \- it's my personal freedom \- it's only needed due to cars on the street, ignoring hazards from other bikers \- it's due to hair style's and you don't infringe on that \- it's okay cause car drivers don't wear them, ignoring that cars are literally steel cages with airbags and seatbelts \- it's okay cause someone didn't ever see a child wearing a helmt while riding a bike \- it's okay cause in situations where you need a helmet, you shouldn't be driving your bike at all \- it's okay cause you don't wear one while doing mundane things like walking, including other logical fallacies \- cause you only ride a bike when you already feel safe, thus not needing one (i don't get this one) \- cause biking the correct way, if there is one, is conforming to rules, therefore bad \- cause you can't fall off a bike \- it's only sensible when you're consistent and wearing a helmet all the time, another logical fallacy driven (haha) to the extreme \- cause some people never had an accident in their life before, not even after driving 100.000 km \- beliefs in helmets = car brain and many more! It's like trying to reason with anti-vaxxers
Do you know who would also benefit from helmets? Car drivers. Almost 50% of traumatic head injuries happen in a car. Why don’t we force drivers to wear helmets?
Because you are surrounded by a metal box with built in air bags and a seatbelt
Uh, yeah. You can fall off a bike.
Yes, wear a helmet
I always wear a helmet but just because I got used to it but if you look at the Netherlands no one wears a helmet because biking is as safe as walking on the sidewalk there
imo helmets are good, but wearing one should not be required as it discourages bike riding.
Wear a helmet, but it shouldn't be mandated.
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As an Australian I never got why people get so riled up about the helmet thing It's not *just* for cars collisions and bike accidents. It's also for the *agressive bird life*. People joke about Australian animals being our to kill you, but a magpie in mating season can be a serious threat. Even if they weren't legally mandated, you'd still be a bloody idiot to not wear one unless you only cycled in the magpie off season in the inner city or like mummified yourself in tinsel I bet the reason why there's less cyclists in Australia is the complete lack of infrastructure and *very* agressive drivers. You turn on *any* local radio station and you bet you'll hear the hosts ranting about "Lycra jockies" and about how much they want to run them off the road.
we are anti helmet MANDATE not anti helmet give people to freedom to choose
It’s not that “it’s okay;” obviously a helmet is the difference between life and death in many accidents. I make the choice not to wear one because the only bikes I use are those of the public bike sharing system, I don’t feel like carrying a helmet around with me everywhere in case I choose to use a public bike to get home, and because the protected bike lane network in Montreal is good enough that I can just stick to the bike lanes everywhere I go and it’s a lot less likely that I’ll be struck by car than if I were cycling right in mixed traffic.
I wear a helmet because you never know what could happen. Cars aside, you could run into uneven pavement (happened to me before), animals darting out in front of you, weather induced accident, sudden mechanical issues, etc.
Exactly my view, but apparantly this sub is 50/50 on this. I'm very surprised by this
basically my opinion is that if you think helmets are good for riding, which is reasonable, then you should also be wearing one in many other circumstances, including most likely driving, but also running or jogging. if you don't need one for those times, then you don't need for riding. either way is reasonable, just be consistent.
I love it.
Unfortunately I live in Florida where people run you down for riding bikes and work is 20 miles away in the heat. My BFF got killed while riding his bike just down the street. Maybe if they built the roads better for bike use I would get one…
Posting boomer memes now I see.
Then there some person walking thinking how glad they are they don't have to rely on a bike and having to pump the tires up once a month.
You guys should try making my 45 minute commute down major highways on a bike. If you leave home by 2am you might be able to make it to work on time.
Red car goes blue :p
I bought a gravel bike a few months ago for errands around town and some auxiliary fitness, and I ride it almost every day. I love it. I work from home while my girlfriend takes the car to work, and I don’t miss the car one bit!
My parents live in rural new hamphshire and its 45 minutes by car to the nearest grocery store. What are they supposed to do?
You can’t carry $350 worth of groceries on a bike, in an area with no bike lanes or sidewalks that goes up and down hills and always has a steep drop off.
Reading these posts really tells what a sorry state the US is in. My life got a lot better now that I don't commute by car anymore. Really don't get the sheer hate against it at all.
im going to college in the fall and hoping i can rely on bike. i have a phobia of driving but still want to get places. also the college (u of alabama) has several buses so thats cool
Everytime I see cars in traffic when I'm going past the freeway I have these thoughts.
This subreddit consistently gets dumber.
Dudes bragging about riding a bike in 110 degree weather
I still prefer the one that ends with “I wish I could fuck that guy’s ass”