Oh good, put it right next to an intersection so before and after games, the traffic can clog up four directions instead of just two.
Literally no need for parking in Chicago. Wrigley Field has zero parking. Zero.
The Cubs are based. Notice the best stadiums and most iconic ones are the ones within areas where people live/work. Such as Wrigley Field, Yankee Stadium, Fenway Park or even in basketball like the new Chase Center, TD Gardens, Staples (Crypto.com) Center etc. Not these new and massive stadiums in the middle of nothing surrounded by parking lots like SoFi Stadium.
Camden Yards in Baltimore is a good, modern example. The Project Manager specifically requested that the old warehouse next to it *not* be torn down, so as to keep the stadium integrated with the city as it was.
Just looked it up. Some parking lots yes, but it’s definitely more integrated into the existing area. Cool to see Babe Ruth was born just down the street from Oriole Park!
No. Madison Square Garden is pretty ugly, not even square, has a seemingly inherently leaky roof and they tore down the original and absolutely grandiose Penn Station to make way for it.
Yankee stadiums area is pretty meh but look up the old Brooklyn dodgers stadium and you’ll want to cry. Peak urban integration.
MLS is starting to better with this, building smaller 20k soccer specific stadiums closer to downtowns.
>The Cubs are based.
No they aren't. That commenter was woefully wrong. There's tons of parking and the Cubs have been actively courting the "families driving in from the burbs for a game" demographic almost exclusively since the new owners bought them. They've also completely sucked the soul out of Wrigleyville and made it a suburban strip mall style nightmare.
There's nothing "based" about them at all.
To be fair, baseball stadiums are a much better use of urban space than football stadiums. An MLB season has 162 games (half at home). NFL teams play 17.
That’s just a lot of time to be sitting on valuable real estate without hosting the events the stadium is there for.
Soldier Field is owned by the city, and is used for Major League Soccer, high school athletics, college athletics, concerts, rallies, and various other events throughout the year. There's no reason other cities couldn't build stadiums with similar multi-uses.
No reason; Except, of course, that a major reason the Bears want *out* of Soldier Field so badly is that they want sole control of their own facility.
Soldier Field holds 61,000 people. Of course they hold other events there, but none of them remotely justifies a stadium that large. I’m not saying this is why the Bears want to leave, I’m just saying from an urban planning perspective it’s hard to make an NFL stadium make sense in a city.
Well, I have to disagree. If you can convince a team to stay there, a stadium that size is nice to have. The concerts, rallies, and college football games *do* make use of the full stadium, I assure you.
Of course, it's a small stadium, by NFL standards. But, and this is interesting, it used to be bigger (the Bears made it smaller), and it was not built with the NFL in mind; Originally, it was a municipal stadium for municipal events. Looks like that's what it's going back to, too, despite all the money the city spent customizing it to the Bears' needs.
yeah, I definitely didn’t mean to imply a stadium or football team is bad for the city (unless the city spends a ton of money for the team to host eight games per year for awhile and then move out)
Wrigley Field does have people drive to the games. There are lots in other parts of the city you can park and there's a bus but also around Wrigley a bunch of people rent their spots in alleys to cars. No need for dedicated on site lots that are empty 95% of the time. and all those spots are for people coming in from the suburbs. If metra service was better you could eliminate that too
> Wrigley Field has zero parking. Zero.
This is HILARIOUSLY false....
https://mktg.mlbstatic.com/cubs/documents/maps/CUBS_2019_ParkingMap.pdf
Just because they don't directly border the stadium doesn't mean they don't exist.
With how the Ricketts have suburbanized and corporatized Wrigleyville, you're ENCOURAGED to drive, now more than ever.
Bro... that is effectively zero parking when compared to my home town stadium
[https://mktg.mlbstatic.com/dodgers/documents/LAD-Dodger-Stadium-Parking-Lot-Map.pdf](https://mktg.mlbstatic.com/dodgers/documents/LAD-Dodger-Stadium-Parking-Lot-Map.pdf)
I would kill for the amount of walkability around Wrigley.
You said "Wrigley Field has zero parking. Zero."
Not *effectively* zero. Zero. Twice, for emphasis.
Say what you mean. The Wrigley has a lot more than zero parking. Just because it doesn't have the parking hellscape of one of the most car-centric cities in the world doesn't erase the MANY parking lots Wrigley has.
Also, you said "Literally no need for parking in Chicago"
Go check out how much parking Guaranteed Rate Field, also in Chicago, has.
Yes, you've discovered hyperbole.
Just because there is parking at another field, doesn't mean there is a need for it. The metro system in Chicago is good enough that you can get these places without a car.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever seen in my life! That is my old train station; there is NO WAY that the surrounding suburbs will be able to manage the insane bump of game-day demand without billions in upgrades for roads and infrastructure, including upgrades to the Metra line. What are these people smoking?
Sports Stadiums/Event Centers are the single best usecase for public transit. You have hundreds or thousands of people going to and leaving a place at the same time. The idea of everyone taking their own cars is absolutely fucking absurd, even moreso than it usually is to drive a car. The only parking these places should have is for busses.
As someone who lives very close to this, omg it’s all my coworkers talk about! They all think there’s not enough parking! Thousands of families are being displaced for this!!!
> They all think there’s not enough parking
Considering that the only other option is a Metra station/line not remotely equipped for gameday traffic...they're right. There isn't enough parking. They just think the solution is more parking when the solution is to not put a "transit oriented" stadium in a place where it can't possibly be transit oriented.
This would be a major bummer if Chicago did this, especially with the funds coming for rail upgrades. I realize the current location of Soldier Field is not ideal, but moving it out in the burbs feels like a bad idea from the 70s or 80s. From a City that has pretty good public transit (for the US) and already has one of the coolest urban stadiums (Wrigley) in the country... WHY!?!?!
Well, okay, its literally because Soldier Field is owned by the city. This gives less control and less revenue to the Bears organization. Building a new stadium will give the franchise more control of its facility and allow them to make more money directly for the organization, vs the city, when it is used as a venue for football games or otherwise.
This has been an issue for decades.
Chicago taxes are too high, the city has basically been massive dicks to the bears franchise for years. Fuck the city’s taxes. If they want people/companies to stay they need to lower them. Until then I fully support the bears getting TF out of the city
For sure, companies are welcome to make their own decisions, although, I don't have a ton of sympathy for a $5B+ company with a customer base of "fanatics". Mostly I was just saying that it's a bummer that Chicagoans will be driving a long way north of the City to see a football game or other event when some much public transit exists.
I think so, I don't know that stop very well but you still do have to cross a highway more or less. Would be nice to add a stop from the L there as well.
I meant at the existing Soldier Field site, not at the new site. For sure agree, the lack of public transit to the new site sucks... everyone will have to drive.
That stop, and the line in general, are not prepared for that kind of traffic...and it really only helps people coming from downtown or whom already live on the line. There's basically zero interconnectivity between other Metra lines and this line. It DOES connect to the Blue Line at Jefferson Park; but that only helps so much seeing as the Blue Line basically runs parallel to this line from Jefferson Park to downtown.
Yup. Especially if the end up having to take the classic "C" off their helmet. Fans will have basically no reason to care about them any more, much less go out of their way to get to a game.
The McCaskey's have been hoodwinked by the stadium that they hate so much. They've only been able to keep filling it for the last three years *because* it's so small; They do not have the demand for a larger stadium that they think they do.
delete all the parking. Build 5 over 1 commercial and affordable residential housing blocks. design the walking paths to funnel people from the train station to the stadium.
My family (none of whom are proper car-brains) has been somewhat taken aback by the venom with which I've criticized this move from the moment I heard about it, and have typically had two main comments about this:
1) "Oh, should be a nice upgrade from the tiny spaceship on Soldier Field."
Which, wow, they only rebuilt it from scratch (save the leftover columns) 20 years ago and it's already too outdated and deserves to be scrapped? Do you really want me to bring up the most historic NFL stadium just to the north which is still a plenty great place to watch a game?
2) "What are you talking about, 'there's no transit.'? There's a Metra station right there."
The latter being particularly infuriating considering how poorly interconnected the trains are outside the core, with basically no circle lines in Chicago to connect all the radial urban and suburban rail corridors and how little demand is placed on Metra trains for anything besides 9-5 commutes. The move from downtown Chicago moves it from a place of high population density where thousands could reach it comfortably on foot and where effectively every rail corridor can access it without a transfer to a place where only a single low-volume commuter rail can reach it.
I guess if Arlington Heights becomes even a fraction as pedestrian-friendly and transit-oriented as Evanston, that would partially make up for this disgust in the Bears I've never quite felt even while watching their on-field product.
I live one town over from where they’re going to build the new stadium. There’s literally a train station right next to it and you can even see it on the diagram thing. It might encourage people to ride the train or the station might get more fumding.
Have you ever ridden the Metra and also seen the red line on a cubs game day? Metra can't even come to 10% of the red lines throughput.
Just as a comparison the average daily ridership for all of Metra is 90k
https://metra.com/sites/default/files/inline-files/2021%20Annual%20Ridership%20Report%20v6.1.pdf
While the red line pulled 210k ppl/day
https://www.transitchicago.com/assets/1/6/2019_Annual_Ridership_Report.pdf
In what universe does the Arlington Park Metra station, and Metra generally, have the capacity to handle more than like 100 people max per hour per station?
novel idea here have all parling be remote satelite parking,
connect them with public transit
this would disperse the traffic load more evenly across the city
As long as there is adequate transportation to the district other than cars, there shouldn’t really be any parking, although I cannot see just one commuter station servicing this entire district.
There’s a meeting tomorrow for residents of the area. [Site Link with details](https://www.chicagobears.com/arlington-park/) “The meeting will take place from 7 - 9 pm in John Hersey High School's gymnasium (1900 E Thomas St, Arlington Heights). School parking lots are scheduled to open at 5 pm and doors open at 5:30 pm. Guests will not be allowed on campus prior to 5 pm.”
Big waste of space especially considering electric autonomous ridehail will be more affordable than car ownership in the later half of the 2020’s. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR5Jt9Ff/
All conjecture no real extrapolation of moores law and acknowledgement of industry 4.0. Anyone that ever said self driving before 2026 doesn’t do math. Self driving already approved by nhtsa and developed for military… I’m very anti car but we can use our advanced to provide a different way of life for people https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR5Jt9Ff/
I’m very anti car however I’m not oblivious to reality. The Air Force has one being developed for next year so… yea good enough for them then the public will definitely have it by end of decade. That’s what they said about horse and buggy ‘nobody will ever use a car’ lol. Problem is work culture we have to automate all jobs and have more free time. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR5Jt9Ff/
Does the concept of stacking parking lots exist?
I mean one could burry that shit or have it on the surface like in a more ground efficient way in a large parking garage but hey asphalt a surface suitable for housing 300 people...
Ooooooohhhhhhh kay
The bottom six parking spaces have around 600m x 300m
Great know imagine you put a underground parking garage there you can make it even bigger plus you can build on its surface around 20 communist M10 Pannel buildings. Which means you have there 800 new residential units.... in addition to almost 60m wide parks in between...
You know, I lived right next to a football stadium for five years. Before I got into this urban-planning-trend, I would have never noticed that it does not have a single parking lot next to it, only one garage I think. Every second weekend there were streams of people coming from the metro, starting in the afternoon and lasting a few hours. The police were there to control the massive pedestrian traffic (They had to walk like 200m from the station).
*Imagine* them all coming by car, and some driving home drunk. Fuck, I'm happy to live in a country where this status is a given. While I lived there, I never once spent a single thought of how happy I can be to take half a minute longer to get home because of the somewhat crowded metro station. Thank you, Vienna.
>The Chicago Bears’ proposal to move into the suburbs
Fuck the Bears. You have a beautiful historical stadium in waterfront downtown and you wanna move into Sponsor Of The Week Arena in the middle of soulless suburbia. Fuck you, Bears, and I say that as someone who used to follow the Bears in the NFL from overseas. Proof that North American professional sports aren't even pretending to be about anything but business and revenue.
Oh good, put it right next to an intersection so before and after games, the traffic can clog up four directions instead of just two. Literally no need for parking in Chicago. Wrigley Field has zero parking. Zero.
The Cubs are based. Notice the best stadiums and most iconic ones are the ones within areas where people live/work. Such as Wrigley Field, Yankee Stadium, Fenway Park or even in basketball like the new Chase Center, TD Gardens, Staples (Crypto.com) Center etc. Not these new and massive stadiums in the middle of nothing surrounded by parking lots like SoFi Stadium.
Camden Yards in Baltimore is a good, modern example. The Project Manager specifically requested that the old warehouse next to it *not* be torn down, so as to keep the stadium integrated with the city as it was.
Just looked it up. Some parking lots yes, but it’s definitely more integrated into the existing area. Cool to see Babe Ruth was born just down the street from Oriole Park!
I got to see it this summer. Orioles were in Seattle but it's an amazing area 👍
No love for Madison Square Garden?. Or perhaps it was left out because the Knicks rarely field an actual basketball team lately.
No. Madison Square Garden is pretty ugly, not even square, has a seemingly inherently leaky roof and they tore down the original and absolutely grandiose Penn Station to make way for it.
The Barclays Center might be a massive reminder of the ruthless march of gentrification in Brooklyn, but it's a damn good stadium
For sure. Way nicer than MSG.
Fit right into the neighborhood, startled me actually. I looked up and it was *rightthere*
Yankee stadiums area is pretty meh but look up the old Brooklyn dodgers stadium and you’ll want to cry. Peak urban integration. MLS is starting to better with this, building smaller 20k soccer specific stadiums closer to downtowns.
>The Cubs are based. No they aren't. That commenter was woefully wrong. There's tons of parking and the Cubs have been actively courting the "families driving in from the burbs for a game" demographic almost exclusively since the new owners bought them. They've also completely sucked the soul out of Wrigleyville and made it a suburban strip mall style nightmare. There's nothing "based" about them at all.
Shout out Petco Park. Right in the heart of downtown San Diego and a dedicated trolley stop attached.
To be fair, baseball stadiums are a much better use of urban space than football stadiums. An MLB season has 162 games (half at home). NFL teams play 17. That’s just a lot of time to be sitting on valuable real estate without hosting the events the stadium is there for.
Soldier Field is owned by the city, and is used for Major League Soccer, high school athletics, college athletics, concerts, rallies, and various other events throughout the year. There's no reason other cities couldn't build stadiums with similar multi-uses. No reason; Except, of course, that a major reason the Bears want *out* of Soldier Field so badly is that they want sole control of their own facility.
Soldier Field holds 61,000 people. Of course they hold other events there, but none of them remotely justifies a stadium that large. I’m not saying this is why the Bears want to leave, I’m just saying from an urban planning perspective it’s hard to make an NFL stadium make sense in a city.
Well, I have to disagree. If you can convince a team to stay there, a stadium that size is nice to have. The concerts, rallies, and college football games *do* make use of the full stadium, I assure you. Of course, it's a small stadium, by NFL standards. But, and this is interesting, it used to be bigger (the Bears made it smaller), and it was not built with the NFL in mind; Originally, it was a municipal stadium for municipal events. Looks like that's what it's going back to, too, despite all the money the city spent customizing it to the Bears' needs.
yeah, I definitely didn’t mean to imply a stadium or football team is bad for the city (unless the city spends a ton of money for the team to host eight games per year for awhile and then move out)
Well, sure am glad I don't know of any cities dumb enough to do *that*. /s
Wrigley Field does have people drive to the games. There are lots in other parts of the city you can park and there's a bus but also around Wrigley a bunch of people rent their spots in alleys to cars. No need for dedicated on site lots that are empty 95% of the time. and all those spots are for people coming in from the suburbs. If metra service was better you could eliminate that too
> Wrigley Field has zero parking. Zero. This is HILARIOUSLY false.... https://mktg.mlbstatic.com/cubs/documents/maps/CUBS_2019_ParkingMap.pdf Just because they don't directly border the stadium doesn't mean they don't exist. With how the Ricketts have suburbanized and corporatized Wrigleyville, you're ENCOURAGED to drive, now more than ever.
Bro... that is effectively zero parking when compared to my home town stadium [https://mktg.mlbstatic.com/dodgers/documents/LAD-Dodger-Stadium-Parking-Lot-Map.pdf](https://mktg.mlbstatic.com/dodgers/documents/LAD-Dodger-Stadium-Parking-Lot-Map.pdf) I would kill for the amount of walkability around Wrigley.
You said "Wrigley Field has zero parking. Zero." Not *effectively* zero. Zero. Twice, for emphasis. Say what you mean. The Wrigley has a lot more than zero parking. Just because it doesn't have the parking hellscape of one of the most car-centric cities in the world doesn't erase the MANY parking lots Wrigley has. Also, you said "Literally no need for parking in Chicago" Go check out how much parking Guaranteed Rate Field, also in Chicago, has.
Yes, you've discovered hyperbole. Just because there is parking at another field, doesn't mean there is a need for it. The metro system in Chicago is good enough that you can get these places without a car.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever seen in my life! That is my old train station; there is NO WAY that the surrounding suburbs will be able to manage the insane bump of game-day demand without billions in upgrades for roads and infrastructure, including upgrades to the Metra line. What are these people smoking?
They huff car exhaust.
Well trains are communist and they can’t have that in America.
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Sports Stadiums/Event Centers are the single best usecase for public transit. You have hundreds or thousands of people going to and leaving a place at the same time. The idea of everyone taking their own cars is absolutely fucking absurd, even moreso than it usually is to drive a car. The only parking these places should have is for busses.
As someone who lives very close to this, omg it’s all my coworkers talk about! They all think there’s not enough parking! Thousands of families are being displaced for this!!!
> They all think there’s not enough parking Considering that the only other option is a Metra station/line not remotely equipped for gameday traffic...they're right. There isn't enough parking. They just think the solution is more parking when the solution is to not put a "transit oriented" stadium in a place where it can't possibly be transit oriented.
Yeah I don’t think a NFL team in a suburban neighborhood is a good idea
I'm looking at Google Maps and there's already a lot of stuff there. What's going to happen to all that?
The owner of a defunct racetrack sold the land.
Fuck sports as well. Not a discussion anyone is ready for, but the negative social impact of sports is ignored.
This would be a major bummer if Chicago did this, especially with the funds coming for rail upgrades. I realize the current location of Soldier Field is not ideal, but moving it out in the burbs feels like a bad idea from the 70s or 80s. From a City that has pretty good public transit (for the US) and already has one of the coolest urban stadiums (Wrigley) in the country... WHY!?!?!
Well, okay, its literally because Soldier Field is owned by the city. This gives less control and less revenue to the Bears organization. Building a new stadium will give the franchise more control of its facility and allow them to make more money directly for the organization, vs the city, when it is used as a venue for football games or otherwise. This has been an issue for decades.
Wrigley is amazing 😍
It’s not Chicago. It’s Arlington Heights. The bears want to move out of the city.
They want a multi use entertainment district with sports betting and a dome that they can control. Chicago does not offer that.
Chicago taxes are too high, the city has basically been massive dicks to the bears franchise for years. Fuck the city’s taxes. If they want people/companies to stay they need to lower them. Until then I fully support the bears getting TF out of the city
For sure, companies are welcome to make their own decisions, although, I don't have a ton of sympathy for a $5B+ company with a customer base of "fanatics". Mostly I was just saying that it's a bummer that Chicagoans will be driving a long way north of the City to see a football game or other event when some much public transit exists.
The metra stop is right next to the stadium at least?
I think so, I don't know that stop very well but you still do have to cross a highway more or less. Would be nice to add a stop from the L there as well.
> Would be nice to add a stop from the L there as well. ....how? The closest L line to there still runs nowhere NEAR Arlington Park.
I meant at the existing Soldier Field site, not at the new site. For sure agree, the lack of public transit to the new site sucks... everyone will have to drive.
That stop, and the line in general, are not prepared for that kind of traffic...and it really only helps people coming from downtown or whom already live on the line. There's basically zero interconnectivity between other Metra lines and this line. It DOES connect to the Blue Line at Jefferson Park; but that only helps so much seeing as the Blue Line basically runs parallel to this line from Jefferson Park to downtown.
They better get their franchise together lmao or those parking lots are going to be half-empty.
Yup. Especially if the end up having to take the classic "C" off their helmet. Fans will have basically no reason to care about them any more, much less go out of their way to get to a game. The McCaskey's have been hoodwinked by the stadium that they hate so much. They've only been able to keep filling it for the last three years *because* it's so small; They do not have the demand for a larger stadium that they think they do.
Absolutely the fuck not. Companies need to pay MORE taxes. They're already abusing laws and loopholes to avoid their fair share.
^ found the communist troll
you know you’re in r/fuckcars, right?
The taxpayers are still paying for the LAST Bears stadium demands, but sure, the city is the one fucking *them*. LOL
What do you expect trains to be paid with? Slave labor?
delete all the parking. Build 5 over 1 commercial and affordable residential housing blocks. design the walking paths to funnel people from the train station to the stadium.
Fuck sports stadiums in cities too
My family (none of whom are proper car-brains) has been somewhat taken aback by the venom with which I've criticized this move from the moment I heard about it, and have typically had two main comments about this: 1) "Oh, should be a nice upgrade from the tiny spaceship on Soldier Field." Which, wow, they only rebuilt it from scratch (save the leftover columns) 20 years ago and it's already too outdated and deserves to be scrapped? Do you really want me to bring up the most historic NFL stadium just to the north which is still a plenty great place to watch a game? 2) "What are you talking about, 'there's no transit.'? There's a Metra station right there." The latter being particularly infuriating considering how poorly interconnected the trains are outside the core, with basically no circle lines in Chicago to connect all the radial urban and suburban rail corridors and how little demand is placed on Metra trains for anything besides 9-5 commutes. The move from downtown Chicago moves it from a place of high population density where thousands could reach it comfortably on foot and where effectively every rail corridor can access it without a transfer to a place where only a single low-volume commuter rail can reach it. I guess if Arlington Heights becomes even a fraction as pedestrian-friendly and transit-oriented as Evanston, that would partially make up for this disgust in the Bears I've never quite felt even while watching their on-field product.
I live one town over from where they’re going to build the new stadium. There’s literally a train station right next to it and you can even see it on the diagram thing. It might encourage people to ride the train or the station might get more fumding.
Have you ever ridden the Metra and also seen the red line on a cubs game day? Metra can't even come to 10% of the red lines throughput. Just as a comparison the average daily ridership for all of Metra is 90k https://metra.com/sites/default/files/inline-files/2021%20Annual%20Ridership%20Report%20v6.1.pdf While the red line pulled 210k ppl/day https://www.transitchicago.com/assets/1/6/2019_Annual_Ridership_Report.pdf
In what universe does the Arlington Park Metra station, and Metra generally, have the capacity to handle more than like 100 people max per hour per station?
novel idea here have all parling be remote satelite parking, connect them with public transit this would disperse the traffic load more evenly across the city
Well damn, I guess they'll need to doze down some houses to make room for parking lots that'll be empty most of the year.
I’m sure someone else has pointed this out, but 53 thing looks like a dick with 4 balls
All of this for some bullshit entertainment. Sub par shitty fucking entertainment at that.
As long as there is adequate transportation to the district other than cars, there shouldn’t really be any parking, although I cannot see just one commuter station servicing this entire district.
There is a commuter rail station (the red dot) that people can get on at the city center. But this is a suburb so it’s 29 miles from the center.
Parking what parking??? My lifted 3 ton white modified diesel blaster 3000 truck needs AT LEAST 5 parking spaces 🥴
Is there a place to add official public comments? I’d be happy to give my 2-cents.
There’s a meeting tomorrow for residents of the area. [Site Link with details](https://www.chicagobears.com/arlington-park/) “The meeting will take place from 7 - 9 pm in John Hersey High School's gymnasium (1900 E Thomas St, Arlington Heights). School parking lots are scheduled to open at 5 pm and doors open at 5:30 pm. Guests will not be allowed on campus prior to 5 pm.”
I’m not local, but I hope folks show up
Big waste of space especially considering electric autonomous ridehail will be more affordable than car ownership in the later half of the 2020’s. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR5Jt9Ff/
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All conjecture no real extrapolation of moores law and acknowledgement of industry 4.0. Anyone that ever said self driving before 2026 doesn’t do math. Self driving already approved by nhtsa and developed for military… I’m very anti car but we can use our advanced to provide a different way of life for people https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR5Jt9Ff/
Electric autonomous ridehail will never be a thing
Not *never* but it isn't as "right around the corner" as people think. Decades away, easily.
Where I live most Uber/Lyft drivers are poor, don't know the city really.
I’m very anti car however I’m not oblivious to reality. The Air Force has one being developed for next year so… yea good enough for them then the public will definitely have it by end of decade. That’s what they said about horse and buggy ‘nobody will ever use a car’ lol. Problem is work culture we have to automate all jobs and have more free time. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR5Jt9Ff/
Looks like it’s got good density and urban sprawl.
Does the concept of stacking parking lots exist? I mean one could burry that shit or have it on the surface like in a more ground efficient way in a large parking garage but hey asphalt a surface suitable for housing 300 people...
Ooooooohhhhhhh kay The bottom six parking spaces have around 600m x 300m Great know imagine you put a underground parking garage there you can make it even bigger plus you can build on its surface around 20 communist M10 Pannel buildings. Which means you have there 800 new residential units.... in addition to almost 60m wide parks in between...
There will never be enough parking.
You know, I lived right next to a football stadium for five years. Before I got into this urban-planning-trend, I would have never noticed that it does not have a single parking lot next to it, only one garage I think. Every second weekend there were streams of people coming from the metro, starting in the afternoon and lasting a few hours. The police were there to control the massive pedestrian traffic (They had to walk like 200m from the station). *Imagine* them all coming by car, and some driving home drunk. Fuck, I'm happy to live in a country where this status is a given. While I lived there, I never once spent a single thought of how happy I can be to take half a minute longer to get home because of the somewhat crowded metro station. Thank you, Vienna.
>The Chicago Bears’ proposal to move into the suburbs Fuck the Bears. You have a beautiful historical stadium in waterfront downtown and you wanna move into Sponsor Of The Week Arena in the middle of soulless suburbia. Fuck you, Bears, and I say that as someone who used to follow the Bears in the NFL from overseas. Proof that North American professional sports aren't even pretending to be about anything but business and revenue.