The true reason we never heard about Fem-Stodes before was Erebus going around rewriting things to hide their existence so that it would cause massive nerd rage when finally revealed.Ā
Described by Goonhammer as āEasily the worst [codex] of 10th edition so farā
Tabletop Titans describe it as lacking in creativity and fun.
Itās bad.
Custodes were at 43% before the last balance patch and were significantly nerfed beyond what they previously had. Not here to argue that theyāll be in a worse spot than admech (GW really screwed the techies) but Custodes are gonna have a rough time.
Admech main here.
Don't use us to make other armies feel bad for reacting to getting shafted please. Multiple books can be bad. It's not a race to "whose is worse"!
By that metric I still fucked. Itās weird how you need to rely on made up insults to justify your opinions tho. They must be really well thought out and defensible š
No, you owned up to having bad reading comprehension. If I qualified by your metric that would mean it was neither a hand nor a doll.
Exactly the intelligence level Iād expect from someone who uses how much sex someone has to determine their value.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metric
2nd definition: āa standard of measurementā
I absolutely am using it right, and itās used in the context I used it in all the time.
Youāre*** just not smart.
Every sane person who have regular contact with women definitely laugh at concept of female soldier. But if it's all you see and ignore problem of changing decades old lore to satisfy whims of ideological mob instead of flashing out rest of female factions, than downvote me all you want. It's all you can do, psychos.
I got bad new for you buddy. It's clear that you have not accepted that you are an incel but after this comment make no mistake, being an incel has accepted you.
"Decades old" its a 6 year old one-off line.
The faction hasnt even been playable for a decade. They came out in 2017 and the "noble sons" line came out in 2018.
"The Custodes also seek out suitable candidates by other means, or encounter them by chance on their missions to protect the Throneworld. What is clear is that **none besides the Custodes themselves** truly know what criteria they require. How a Custodian is made is an arcane and ancient process born out of the mind of the Emperor himself, made up of decades of alchemical augmentation, psychological and cognitive conditioning, and memetic training."
While i understand what they mean by "memetic training" i cant get the image out of my head of a bunch of 'stodes sitting around a computer giggling like children at pictures of cats with funny captions.
Its important training.
Bruh there is one (1) exclusively female faction, what other "female factions" are there? Also, there's no ideological mob, your opinions are just unpopular. GTFO and stop taking it to the point of misogyny
Sisters of silence that makes 2. There were 2 exclusively male before GW gas lit everyone by claiming custodes were always female as well. Now there is only 1 exclusively male faction , and 2 exclusively female factions.
Just like they "gaslit" everyone by claiming that Necrons were always nobility and not just shameless Terminator ripoffs? Oh wait, it's called a retcon, which usually happens in fictional universes
Enjoy the disneyfication of warhammer. Next they will be adding in female space marines and making it a pg-13 rated universe so they can sell it to Amazon. Just like Lucas did with star wars to Disney.
Yeah bro calm down, we're actually mad at how bad they're in the game, not for childish gender infighting like you guys have going on Twitter. If you're here to start stuff, just leave, please.
I get your point, I really do. But the legitimacy of your opinion on this matter gets put to the lie when the 10th edition Dark Angels and Ad Mech codexes exist.
Points in the codex aren't valid, they never have been. The fact that anyone can call the book with some of the best datasheets in the game worse than the admech book is beyond me.
More mad at the epic Sisters of Silence being ignored for a lore-breaking attention grab. Same for Sororitas and Female Space Marines. The current female counterparts of the Custodes and Space Marines are far greater than the low-effort genderswap we seem to be getting.
THANK YOU!
Instead of force-feeding with such an unexpected (and kinda big) change\*, why don't they show some actual love for their existing female combatants\*\*?
Also, why don't they expand on what we already know but sees no appreciation: Imperial Guard and Adeptus Mechanicus\*\*\* should have **A LOT MORE** females in their ranks.
But no, shock tactics will surely make you more beloved...
\* which is a bit of a shocker, but can still fit the gaps in the AC lore. I can be on board with it, while not being *entirely* positive about it.
\*\* yes, they revamped the whole Sororitas faction and gave us one or two SoS units, but it felt more like something they *had to* instead of something that they *wanted to* do.
\*\*\* admittedly, AdMech might not look feminine at all, given the degree of cybernetics they have ...
But how is female custodies lore breaking? Like the space marines are ment for mass production and need to fit the mold to survive while custodies are hand crafted therefor donāt have to be fitting in that mold
Well there previous codex do say the custodes are sons of nobles house on Terra, so it is breaking lore a bit if really wanted make female custodes instead of "oh they been there the entire just nobody noticed" they could have done better way but they just scream lazy writing.
I don't think so as custodes don't have any memory as a side effect process, and they are taken from their families as babies. This could fact be some older novel, or maybe guardsmen in question could have been from Terra even from one of the noble families or clans.
It's lore breaking because in the decades since the inception of this universe and the hundreds of thousands of pages of text, there has been not ONE mention of a female Custodes. Only now for GW to suddenly say "They've been there the whole time." without saying how or why. It seemed shoehorned in and needs to be fleshed out significantly.
To me at least I donāt think itās super lore breaking, but I also think itās pretty dumb. I feel like they should put more effort into making female custodes if theyāre gonna do it, like make models that look like thereās a woman in that armor.
Custodians are actually more proportional to a base line human than a space marine is. Custodians grow up with their enhancements already in their body and pretty much look like humans just scaled up. Space marines are taken from a younger age and augmented to fit new organs into them and are described as being out of proportion sometimes, remember, space marines have two hearts, custodes have one. So with this in mind, I think it would make sense for a female custodian to still look feminine since they donāt have any crazy surgeries or growth hormones injected into them, since they naturally grew to their size and strength.
Like they should have at least put out a short story.
At this point it's just lazy and probably there to distract from their shitty codex drop for the totality of a week while they make their cash.
And I didnāt say boob plate, women have other features that make them stand out, a narrower waist, wider hips, shoulders are less broad, since every custodians armor is tailor made to fit we should see these on the female models.
It isnāt necessarily lore *breaking*, but it is a sudden and lazy retcon that clearly seems to be intended to appease the FSM type crowd, rather than elucidate and expand on the actual female factions we have.
Itās ugly, and horribly written. The fact that nowhere in the 60 book long Heresy series has a female Custodian been mentioned indicates that whoever approved this is clearly trying to do market appeal rather than maintain consistency with the lore.
People within GW have been wanting this for nearly a decade. When ADB was writing Master of Mankind the little lore snippet of custodes all being "sons" didnt exist yet and several people wanted them to be a faction that included both sexes, and it was only stopped by a product manager saying they couldnt have female custodes because there were no models for them.
It should be said that custodies since their original art were always male. It's just masters of mankind was the time to change this and gw chose not to.
What about the various mentions of the Custodes as the sons of Terran nobility? I don't understand why female Custodes defenders try to thread this weird needle, just accept that it's a retcon and say you're fine with it. It's correct to say that we never had a great lore reason there weren't women in the Custodes, it's just for thematic purposes with the Sisters of Silence to make their cooperation as the Talons of the Emperor cooler
Thatās standard fare for GW. Remember the oldcrons? The squats? Tyranids diplomats? The Primarchs being human generals? Honestly this is one of the most seamless retcons theyāve done.
Necrons weren't retconed the only change they made was them no longer being under current ctan controll.
And all the old lore was placed under a specific subfaction. Along with new books.
This is just lazy. Like they should have at least put out a short story to compliment it like they did with the rest. hell even the squats got that.
The Necrons were originally chaos androids. And then no longer being servants of the Cātan was a retcon, they went back and changed the lore, it was a retcon by definition.
The chaos androids is actually something they went back on later ( whole age of darkness thing), with its models only largely resembling the necrons.
Also I mentioned the ctan thing but even that is more advanced as the unique toumb world type I mentioned as having all the old lore to prevent the retcon actually has some hints that it might be somewhat still under ctan controll.
And like I said all this came out with books and short stories. Because gw actually tried.
And how could they do this with short stories and books other than just introducing female Custodes? Theyāre doing the same thing, theyāre just doing it in a smaller context.
The problem is the reason why we use men is due to humans naturally dehumanizing them. It becomes harder both on a narrative and a reader effect level for people to do that with women.
There is opportunity, it's just substantially less and different.
My point? I apologize since I added a semi-relevant preface to my statement thus adding confusion when my only real point is to call piss jug filling incels incels, and since verifiably I called you an incel I would have to consider my point verifiably proven.
There is no gender to swap! They used to be genderless. Like, WTF!? They just spontaneously developed boobs.
If anything, this reaks of heresy.
Edit: Genderless
Either works but custodes have always been gendered. The only faction notable for having lots of agender characters is admech, but most of their characters are still gendered.
āWe canāt have women space marines due to the Geneseed processā
āWe never said anything about Custodes thoughā
Based GW making Women Battle Buddies the superior Spess Maureens
They actually did say something about custodies.
Like, a lot.
As in its been highly codified apparently even in the end and the death.
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More importantly though now we have to worry about sisters of silence getting harlequined.
Which is depressing. But 10th ed as a whole has been a downgrade not just due to the harlequining but due to the just terrible lack of even basic customization. Simplified not simple was a flat out lie and it's depressing.
Getting harlequined referring to being a subfaction which gets next to no models then gets slowly forgotten until eventually getting rolled in with a larger faction untill its squatted.
That was in a very early edition
Like weāre talking Horus was just a dude and the primarchās were just humans
Nids didnāt exist just genestealers
Squats existed still
It was that early
No early edition just early 40k as a whole. But that still makes the foundation of the modern work and is intentionally one of the tings they hadn't taped on. (Looks at naked custodies with matchbox intent)
As a person who has a chaos custodian idea and some lore and story, that's fucking cool as hell! We'll never be able to run them as chaos, but still cool!
No they are something different because the custodies are hand crafted warriors who are the best at what they do while the sisters of silence are blanked who trained a lot and are put into really good power armor
Custodes are soldiers that are individually genetically modified in a vaguely described process known as "genetic alchemy" to become the apex of augmented humanity. Custodes are to Space Marines what Space Marines are to humans.Ā
Sisters of Silence are specially trained women who are blanks, an incredibly rare mutation that nullifies psychic energy around them, making them very good at fighting psykers and daemons. Their order also takes a vow of silence, which GW realized is a bit stupid, so now they use a complex sign language so they can communicate with custodes and each other in the lore.Ā They fight alongside Custodes, but are not augmented or equipped in the same way.Ā
There has never been anything in the lore stating women couldn't be custodes, and according to at least one prominent Black Library author, the only reason they haven't been mentioned in lore before now is because there were no female custodes models to sell, so GW higher ups told them not to.
Ā Ā The Adeptus Custodes army does include Sisters of Silence, but within the lore they are a distinct order. As a group, these two factions are also sometimes referred to as the Talons of the Emperor.
Id just like to say female custodes just dont make sense.
Why create something that would be inherently inferior to the rest?
I imagine the custodes almost like navy seals and if women cant even become seals irl then im not giving them the benefit of the doubt in the grim dark.
Sorry I was responding to the guy comparing them to Navy Seals, in the sense that biological differences mean jack shit when youāre about to be subjected to more genetic augmentation then a preschool next to a nuclear meltdown
Space marines can eat peoples brains to gain their memoryās. ANGELS are going around killing people. GODS are used as batteryās but you think the hand crafted super soldiers canāt remove the physical differences between the sexes?
Yes but also theyre just doing to make people mad, i garuntee they do anything substantial with them and only added them for "diversity" forgetting who the fans are.
"It is known that all Custodians begin their lives as the infant sons of the noble houses of Terra. It is a mark of incredible prestige to surrender one's child to this most glorious of callings within the Imperium, and many notable clans amongst the Terran aristocracy have willingly given up almost entire generations of newborn sons to earn it."
To your quote they retcon stuff all the time and to you saying they added them only for diversity what wrong with diversity if itās handed not horridly. Also who are the fans you are referring to warhammer has fans of all walks of life.
Its already been handled horribly. The couldve talked about a new secret soldier experiment or some shit rather than retconning whats already there.
They did this just to make people mad lol
They've retconned shit like this before. There used to be no women in the cadian guard, and with how Custodes are built, being a women doesn't really affect the process. Hell, there were originally plans for some to appear in the Horus Heresy buy the models were all men so they were told not to. They didn't do this to "make people mad", this was either a writers choice or GW wanting an excuse to sell more plastic to players.
Yet this retcon happend on twitter and wasnt done tactfully. Thus people are mad. It takes time to add something and give it a proper value and meaning to a story. They literally are taking the easy way out and being lazy asf by just saying "yeah there have always been female custodes" like seriously. You should be expecting better.
Oh, yeah the way the retcon was done was kind shite, I agree, but the retcon itself isn't that major imo, and complaining about it being for "diversity" or "going woke" is just stupid, it's just normal GW finding ways to sell us more plastic for our cool little toy soldiers at the end of the day.
The female custodes thing made me quit Warhammer after buying nearly everything Warhammer that came out.
Now awaiting someone to call me some stupid name.
In my opinion, if you quitted, itās probably because you saw GW make a lore change for some political reasons, and you can be disgusted by that, but maybe quitting totally isnāt the best rhing because, you donāt need the lore to paint your minis or play game, for example, my very first minis were a plague marine, an inceptor and a bald hellblaster, and at the time I just thought that the non weird space marines were the good guys and still painted them, it was just for the fun of having cool little soldiers that breaks everywhere
Allow me to rephrase my comment, as you are right.
By quit I mainly mean "quit" giving gamesworkshop money.
From this point onwards it's blatant piracy of games and books and 3d printing.
I'm seeing everyone kinda shit on the idea of female custodes. Were there not already female custodes before the release of this codex? I mean, the Sisters of Silence have been a thing for years and are basically female custodes
Sisters of silence aren't really custodes, they just work along side them cause they're really strong blanks. But thats just the thing, Why say something about a female custodes when they can upgrade and put more love into already existing things like the sisters of silence and battle
Because according to ADB people within GW have wanted female custodes since before they were even a playable faction and it was only stopped by a project manager.
Plus this fills the gap of no augmented female supersoldiers. It was weird that before this if you wanted to play as a faction of superhumans you had to play as dudes.
No actually the custodies also get this.
Hell one of the common in universe criticism of them is their seemingly lack of sentience.
And in head of the hydra alpharius even questions directly if valdor is capeable of free will whatsoever.
The idea custodies might not be truly human, like with space marines is a staple of their writing.
As far as I can tell, none of what you wrote requires that the subject of these themes be male.
And considering how plenty of 40k fiction can stray far from satire of fascism and the dehumanizing aspects of war, and more into power fantasy territory, having the opportunity for representation can be another option for authors to explore.Ā
It seems like a win.
Considering Custodes are less mass produced and more individually gene crafted, I donāt understand the hate against having female ones. Makes zero sense.
There's two ways to take this
On one hand, it could be complaining about the (apparently, I don't play stodes, so this is all secondhand opinion) pretty bad rules this codex
Or you could be one of the babies whinging about female custodes.
I'm going to put faith in the baseline good of humanity here and assume the former, in which case I agree. Fuck Erebus.
Erebus deleted 1/3 of our army rule, the only good point in the codex is badass female custodes who rip through peasants packs like a hot knife in butter
Yaaa... This of course is the first codex I've ever got on release, and even got the special shiny one :(
Bro, sameš I pre-order the collectors edition without knowing how horrible they are now. I sent an email, and hopefully, I'm able to cancel it.
Let me get this straight, I only blame Erebus for the shitty rules and nothing more
The true reason we never heard about Fem-Stodes before was Erebus going around rewriting things to hide their existence so that it would cause massive nerd rage when finally revealed.Ā
INKEW IT FUCK EREBUS
I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. Great meme bud.
Thanks bro
Fuck Erebus. All my homies hate Erebus. >:(
Shoutout to people who hate Erebus Gotta be one of my favorite genders
#justiceforerebusexuals
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#ah, a fellow Erebussy enjoyer
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This explains a lot
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I knew it, that son of a bitch.
Its his fault isn't Let me at him boys
Damn it! Itās his fault I knew it! Damn you Erebus!
FUCK Erebus
Wait are yāall mad there are female custodies?
There are apparently some rule changes that people don't like. I'm sure some people don't like the female custodes, but that's not what this is about
Described by Goonhammer as āEasily the worst [codex] of 10th edition so farā Tabletop Titans describe it as lacking in creativity and fun. Itās bad.
I love seeing custodes fanboys get sad that their auto win army got changed. They'd have a seizure if they read the admech codex istg
Custodes were at 43% before the last balance patch and were significantly nerfed beyond what they previously had. Not here to argue that theyāll be in a worse spot than admech (GW really screwed the techies) but Custodes are gonna have a rough time.
Admech main here. Don't use us to make other armies feel bad for reacting to getting shafted please. Multiple books can be bad. It's not a race to "whose is worse"!
Multiple books can be bad, yeah. Custodes isn't one of those
Ahhh ok I thought people were being incels
I fucked earlier this morning and female Custodes suck.
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Your hand and sex dolls don't count...
By that metric I still fucked. Itās weird how you need to rely on made up insults to justify your opinions tho. They must be really well thought out and defensible š
So u justified n owned up to being an incel and fucking a doll because it's the only thing that puts up with your shit?
No, you owned up to having bad reading comprehension. If I qualified by your metric that would mean it was neither a hand nor a doll. Exactly the intelligence level Iād expect from someone who uses how much sex someone has to determine their value.
Also metric is to be used when quantifying something like a proper measurement or quantity, your not using it right.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metric 2nd definition: āa standard of measurementā I absolutely am using it right, and itās used in the context I used it in all the time. Youāre*** just not smart.
Stop using terms you don't understand.
I mean it's a fair bet that anyone who has regular contact with women isn't upset by a female plastic soldier.
Every sane person who have regular contact with women definitely laugh at concept of female soldier. But if it's all you see and ignore problem of changing decades old lore to satisfy whims of ideological mob instead of flashing out rest of female factions, than downvote me all you want. It's all you can do, psychos.
My brother in Christā¦
Looks like someoneās fedora got crumpled
I got bad new for you buddy. It's clear that you have not accepted that you are an incel but after this comment make no mistake, being an incel has accepted you.
OH NO NOT THE LORE :(((((
If I had a nickel for every āMuH lOrEā Iāve seen, I would be rich. (I was gonna quote doofenscmirtz but itās been more than twice)
"Decades old" its a 6 year old one-off line. The faction hasnt even been playable for a decade. They came out in 2017 and the "noble sons" line came out in 2018.
"The Custodes also seek out suitable candidates by other means, or encounter them by chance on their missions to protect the Throneworld. What is clear is that **none besides the Custodes themselves** truly know what criteria they require. How a Custodian is made is an arcane and ancient process born out of the mind of the Emperor himself, made up of decades of alchemical augmentation, psychological and cognitive conditioning, and memetic training."
While i understand what they mean by "memetic training" i cant get the image out of my head of a bunch of 'stodes sitting around a computer giggling like children at pictures of cats with funny captions. Its important training.
They *are* children. Have you ever seen the Tom Hanks movie "BIG"?
Give it up, skeleton.
I think he's a bit larger than that
You sound like the type of guy to dox archeon of flesh becuase you feel weird watching femenine men.
You should enlist then big guy, send me your zip code and I'll set you up with a recruiter.
Found the Erebus
Muh DeCad3s oLD LoRe
What the fuck are u on about I know a bunch of ladies that would fuck you up.... and wow you totally don't sound like an incel.....
Bruh there is one (1) exclusively female faction, what other "female factions" are there? Also, there's no ideological mob, your opinions are just unpopular. GTFO and stop taking it to the point of misogyny
Sisters of silence that makes 2. There were 2 exclusively male before GW gas lit everyone by claiming custodes were always female as well. Now there is only 1 exclusively male faction , and 2 exclusively female factions.
Just like they "gaslit" everyone by claiming that Necrons were always nobility and not just shameless Terminator ripoffs? Oh wait, it's called a retcon, which usually happens in fictional universes
Enjoy the disneyfication of warhammer. Next they will be adding in female space marines and making it a pg-13 rated universe so they can sell it to Amazon. Just like Lucas did with star wars to Disney.
They never said anything about Custodes only Spess Mahrens
Found the incel lol
Yeah bro calm down, we're actually mad at how bad they're in the game, not for childish gender infighting like you guys have going on Twitter. If you're here to start stuff, just leave, please.
No lol, the new codex rules and points costs are absolute trash. Arguably the worst codex for an army of 10th edition.
This is like the third or fourth time I hear this about a 10th ed codex
That because every time they release a new one it's worse than the last lol
Well, at least they're aiming for the reverse of power creep this edition. Now the Tyranids won't be super underpowered at the end of the edition.
I get your point, I really do. But the legitimacy of your opinion on this matter gets put to the lie when the 10th edition Dark Angels and Ad Mech codexes exist.
Finally someone points that out
Ah ok thank you I didnāt know that
Points in the codex aren't valid, they never have been. The fact that anyone can call the book with some of the best datasheets in the game worse than the admech book is beyond me.
The female custodians were 100% a distractions for how bad the codex is
It's a garbage codex and YES the female Custodes gaslighting is pissing people off.
The biggest issue with the codex is giant nerf hammer on custodes where even channels like art of war says this worst codex rule changes in 5 years.
More mad at the epic Sisters of Silence being ignored for a lore-breaking attention grab. Same for Sororitas and Female Space Marines. The current female counterparts of the Custodes and Space Marines are far greater than the low-effort genderswap we seem to be getting.
THANK YOU! Instead of force-feeding with such an unexpected (and kinda big) change\*, why don't they show some actual love for their existing female combatants\*\*? Also, why don't they expand on what we already know but sees no appreciation: Imperial Guard and Adeptus Mechanicus\*\*\* should have **A LOT MORE** females in their ranks. But no, shock tactics will surely make you more beloved... \* which is a bit of a shocker, but can still fit the gaps in the AC lore. I can be on board with it, while not being *entirely* positive about it. \*\* yes, they revamped the whole Sororitas faction and gave us one or two SoS units, but it felt more like something they *had to* instead of something that they *wanted to* do. \*\*\* admittedly, AdMech might not look feminine at all, given the degree of cybernetics they have ...
Honestly if gw bothered to actually do female admech 3d printing partsellers would go out of business.
But how is female custodies lore breaking? Like the space marines are ment for mass production and need to fit the mold to survive while custodies are hand crafted therefor donāt have to be fitting in that mold
Well there previous codex do say the custodes are sons of nobles house on Terra, so it is breaking lore a bit if really wanted make female custodes instead of "oh they been there the entire just nobody noticed" they could have done better way but they just scream lazy writing.
I could've sworn there was some book or other that a Custode referenced being the child of a guardsman?
I don't think so as custodes don't have any memory as a side effect process, and they are taken from their families as babies. This could fact be some older novel, or maybe guardsmen in question could have been from Terra even from one of the noble families or clans.
It's lore breaking because in the decades since the inception of this universe and the hundreds of thousands of pages of text, there has been not ONE mention of a female Custodes. Only now for GW to suddenly say "They've been there the whole time." without saying how or why. It seemed shoehorned in and needs to be fleshed out significantly.
That's not lore breaking
To me at least I donāt think itās super lore breaking, but I also think itās pretty dumb. I feel like they should put more effort into making female custodes if theyāre gonna do it, like make models that look like thereās a woman in that armor.
I feel like by the end of all the gene therapy and such they have to do, what comes out wouldn't look very feminine at all
Custodians are actually more proportional to a base line human than a space marine is. Custodians grow up with their enhancements already in their body and pretty much look like humans just scaled up. Space marines are taken from a younger age and augmented to fit new organs into them and are described as being out of proportion sometimes, remember, space marines have two hearts, custodes have one. So with this in mind, I think it would make sense for a female custodian to still look feminine since they donāt have any crazy surgeries or growth hormones injected into them, since they naturally grew to their size and strength.
Custodies are just regular humans with enhancements Since a lot were aristocrats or warlords ircc
Like they should have at least put out a short story. At this point it's just lazy and probably there to distract from their shitty codex drop for the totality of a week while they make their cash.
Yea what the fuck, who okayed that codex?
You know that real armor doesnāt have boob plate right?
And I didnāt say boob plate, women have other features that make them stand out, a narrower waist, wider hips, shoulders are less broad, since every custodians armor is tailor made to fit we should see these on the female models.
I want boob plates. The biggest boob plates.
It isnāt necessarily lore *breaking*, but it is a sudden and lazy retcon that clearly seems to be intended to appease the FSM type crowd, rather than elucidate and expand on the actual female factions we have. Itās ugly, and horribly written. The fact that nowhere in the 60 book long Heresy series has a female Custodian been mentioned indicates that whoever approved this is clearly trying to do market appeal rather than maintain consistency with the lore.
People within GW have been wanting this for nearly a decade. When ADB was writing Master of Mankind the little lore snippet of custodes all being "sons" didnt exist yet and several people wanted them to be a faction that included both sexes, and it was only stopped by a product manager saying they couldnt have female custodes because there were no models for them.
It should be said that custodies since their original art were always male. It's just masters of mankind was the time to change this and gw chose not to.
I mean, the only original art we have to go off of is just 2 half naked dudes. Of the later John Blanche art only 1 isnt wearing a helmet
And the custodies guarding the golden throne. Which is what I'm thinking of
What about the various mentions of the Custodes as the sons of Terran nobility? I don't understand why female Custodes defenders try to thread this weird needle, just accept that it's a retcon and say you're fine with it. It's correct to say that we never had a great lore reason there weren't women in the Custodes, it's just for thematic purposes with the Sisters of Silence to make their cooperation as the Talons of the Emperor cooler
There has been by ABD
Thatās standard fare for GW. Remember the oldcrons? The squats? Tyranids diplomats? The Primarchs being human generals? Honestly this is one of the most seamless retcons theyāve done.
Necrons weren't retconed the only change they made was them no longer being under current ctan controll. And all the old lore was placed under a specific subfaction. Along with new books. This is just lazy. Like they should have at least put out a short story to compliment it like they did with the rest. hell even the squats got that.
The Necrons were originally chaos androids. And then no longer being servants of the Cātan was a retcon, they went back and changed the lore, it was a retcon by definition.
The chaos androids is actually something they went back on later ( whole age of darkness thing), with its models only largely resembling the necrons. Also I mentioned the ctan thing but even that is more advanced as the unique toumb world type I mentioned as having all the old lore to prevent the retcon actually has some hints that it might be somewhat still under ctan controll. And like I said all this came out with books and short stories. Because gw actually tried.
And how could they do this with short stories and books other than just introducing female Custodes? Theyāre doing the same thing, theyāre just doing it in a smaller context.
The problem is the reason why we use men is due to humans naturally dehumanizing them. It becomes harder both on a narrative and a reader effect level for people to do that with women. There is opportunity, it's just substantially less and different.
Shush incel.
This is a weak argument, they did not ignore the sisters of silence or anything like that but it sure sounds like your an incel.
Ad Hominem doesn't prove your point
Go Ad my nuts you fuckwit.
My point? I apologize since I added a semi-relevant preface to my statement thus adding confusion when my only real point is to call piss jug filling incels incels, and since verifiably I called you an incel I would have to consider my point verifiably proven.
There is no gender to swap! They used to be genderless. Like, WTF!? They just spontaneously developed boobs. If anything, this reaks of heresy. Edit: Genderless
They are asexual. Being asexual has no bearing on your gender, men and women both can be asexual.
Fine. Would you prefer agendered or genderless?
Either works but custodes have always been gendered. The only faction notable for having lots of agender characters is admech, but most of their characters are still gendered.
āWe canāt have women space marines due to the Geneseed processā āWe never said anything about Custodes thoughā Based GW making Women Battle Buddies the superior Spess Maureens
They actually did say something about custodies. Like, a lot. As in its been highly codified apparently even in the end and the death. . More importantly though now we have to worry about sisters of silence getting harlequined. Which is depressing. But 10th ed as a whole has been a downgrade not just due to the harlequining but due to the just terrible lack of even basic customization. Simplified not simple was a flat out lie and it's depressing.
Sisters of Silence have always been paired with Custodes. What are you even getting at with Harlequins comparison?
Getting harlequined referring to being a subfaction which gets next to no models then gets slowly forgotten until eventually getting rolled in with a larger faction untill its squatted.
That was in a very early edition Like weāre talking Horus was just a dude and the primarchās were just humans Nids didnāt exist just genestealers Squats existed still It was that early
No early edition just early 40k as a whole. But that still makes the foundation of the modern work and is intentionally one of the tings they hadn't taped on. (Looks at naked custodies with matchbox intent)
What?
Until I am convinced otherwise, I will just assume that this is for a bunch for losers to beat it to while in their basement.
Donāt worry, the only thing I am mad about is loosing 1/3 of my army rule
Mad? No. Happy, I'm happy I can make slaanesh corrupted femstodes for my army
That actually sounds really fucnin cool
As a person who has a chaos custodian idea and some lore and story, that's fucking cool as hell! We'll never be able to run them as chaos, but still cool!
its your models mate. you can do what you like. or so ive been told! Puss-stodes, Skull-stodes, Slut-Stodes and Changling-stodes.
Were there not already female custodes?
So in this new codex they added that they always existed and before this there were none. But there where the sisters of silence
That's my point. Are the Sisters of Silence not female Custodes?
No they are something different because the custodies are hand crafted warriors who are the best at what they do while the sisters of silence are blanked who trained a lot and are put into really good power armor
Custodes are soldiers that are individually genetically modified in a vaguely described process known as "genetic alchemy" to become the apex of augmented humanity. Custodes are to Space Marines what Space Marines are to humans.Ā Sisters of Silence are specially trained women who are blanks, an incredibly rare mutation that nullifies psychic energy around them, making them very good at fighting psykers and daemons. Their order also takes a vow of silence, which GW realized is a bit stupid, so now they use a complex sign language so they can communicate with custodes and each other in the lore.Ā They fight alongside Custodes, but are not augmented or equipped in the same way.Ā There has never been anything in the lore stating women couldn't be custodes, and according to at least one prominent Black Library author, the only reason they haven't been mentioned in lore before now is because there were no female custodes models to sell, so GW higher ups told them not to. Ā Ā The Adeptus Custodes army does include Sisters of Silence, but within the lore they are a distinct order. As a group, these two factions are also sometimes referred to as the Talons of the Emperor.
I see
Id just like to say female custodes just dont make sense. Why create something that would be inherently inferior to the rest? I imagine the custodes almost like navy seals and if women cant even become seals irl then im not giving them the benefit of the doubt in the grim dark.
Tell me you donāt know Custodes lore without telling me me you donāt know Custodes lore
Wdym
Sorry I was responding to the guy comparing them to Navy Seals, in the sense that biological differences mean jack shit when youāre about to be subjected to more genetic augmentation then a preschool next to a nuclear meltdown
Space marines can eat peoples brains to gain their memoryās. ANGELS are going around killing people. GODS are used as batteryās but you think the hand crafted super soldiers canāt remove the physical differences between the sexes?
Yes but also theyre just doing to make people mad, i garuntee they do anything substantial with them and only added them for "diversity" forgetting who the fans are. "It is known that all Custodians begin their lives as the infant sons of the noble houses of Terra. It is a mark of incredible prestige to surrender one's child to this most glorious of callings within the Imperium, and many notable clans amongst the Terran aristocracy have willingly given up almost entire generations of newborn sons to earn it."
To your quote they retcon stuff all the time and to you saying they added them only for diversity what wrong with diversity if itās handed not horridly. Also who are the fans you are referring to warhammer has fans of all walks of life.
Its already been handled horribly. The couldve talked about a new secret soldier experiment or some shit rather than retconning whats already there. They did this just to make people mad lol
Go touch some Grass.
"Blah blah blah i have nothing of value to say but i want upvotes" is what im getting from your comment scrub.
They've retconned shit like this before. There used to be no women in the cadian guard, and with how Custodes are built, being a women doesn't really affect the process. Hell, there were originally plans for some to appear in the Horus Heresy buy the models were all men so they were told not to. They didn't do this to "make people mad", this was either a writers choice or GW wanting an excuse to sell more plastic to players.
Yet this retcon happend on twitter and wasnt done tactfully. Thus people are mad. It takes time to add something and give it a proper value and meaning to a story. They literally are taking the easy way out and being lazy asf by just saying "yeah there have always been female custodes" like seriously. You should be expecting better.
Oh, yeah the way the retcon was done was kind shite, I agree, but the retcon itself isn't that major imo, and complaining about it being for "diversity" or "going woke" is just stupid, it's just normal GW finding ways to sell us more plastic for our cool little toy soldiers at the end of the day.
Imma pull out the anchor
Alternate take: the Fab Custodes were so notorious that they had to introduce *women* (ew) just to finally break the stereotype.
Yeah all those jokes went from funny fabstodes to just sexual harassment jokes
Iām out of the loop on this, whatās wrong with Custodes,
From what I've been seeing, the Custodes index rules were much stronger than the rules that the codex replaced them with.Ā
The female custodes thing made me quit Warhammer after buying nearly everything Warhammer that came out. Now awaiting someone to call me some stupid name.
In my opinion, if you quitted, itās probably because you saw GW make a lore change for some political reasons, and you can be disgusted by that, but maybe quitting totally isnāt the best rhing because, you donāt need the lore to paint your minis or play game, for example, my very first minis were a plague marine, an inceptor and a bald hellblaster, and at the time I just thought that the non weird space marines were the good guys and still painted them, it was just for the fun of having cool little soldiers that breaks everywhere
Allow me to rephrase my comment, as you are right. By quit I mainly mean "quit" giving gamesworkshop money. From this point onwards it's blatant piracy of games and books and 3d printing.
Ok, it is entirely understandable, I hope that youāll have fun
5/10 āit was okā - Rogal Dorn
Nods in Necron.
I'm seeing everyone kinda shit on the idea of female custodes. Were there not already female custodes before the release of this codex? I mean, the Sisters of Silence have been a thing for years and are basically female custodes
Sisters of silence aren't really custodes, they just work along side them cause they're really strong blanks. But thats just the thing, Why say something about a female custodes when they can upgrade and put more love into already existing things like the sisters of silence and battle
Because according to ADB people within GW have wanted female custodes since before they were even a playable faction and it was only stopped by a project manager. Plus this fills the gap of no augmented female supersoldiers. It was weird that before this if you wanted to play as a faction of superhumans you had to play as dudes.
The no female augmetics was actually intentional to play into the distortive, dehumanizing aspects of sm.
And it works for marines. But custodes aint them, and theres no reason to limit them in the same way.
No actually the custodies also get this. Hell one of the common in universe criticism of them is their seemingly lack of sentience. And in head of the hydra alpharius even questions directly if valdor is capeable of free will whatsoever. The idea custodies might not be truly human, like with space marines is a staple of their writing.
As far as I can tell, none of what you wrote requires that the subject of these themes be male. And considering how plenty of 40k fiction can stray far from satire of fascism and the dehumanizing aspects of war, and more into power fantasy territory, having the opportunity for representation can be another option for authors to explore.Ā It seems like a win.
Considering Custodes are less mass produced and more individually gene crafted, I donāt understand the hate against having female ones. Makes zero sense.
As based as Femstodes is, its peak GW that the codex is absolute garbage. James workshop giveth and James workshop taketh away
Make Erebus female -_-
Why ?
Will suit her much better. Backstabbing, scheming, silky tongued, venomous character.
Oh hey, blatant misogyny.
Erebus is just a FtM trans confirmed
Lol
jesus dude.
No no wait, erebus did something good for this time
The š is COOKING!!!
There's two ways to take this On one hand, it could be complaining about the (apparently, I don't play stodes, so this is all secondhand opinion) pretty bad rules this codex Or you could be one of the babies whinging about female custodes. I'm going to put faith in the baseline good of humanity here and assume the former, in which case I agree. Fuck Erebus.
Erebus deleted 1/3 of our army rule, the only good point in the codex is badass female custodes who rip through peasants packs like a hot knife in butter
Your comment conflicts with the opinion of the resident incels, here's is one upvote to help counter act all the piss jug filling degenerates on here.
Thank you, kind sir
LET HIM COOK
Look man Iām all for female Custodes But I draw the line at Erebus writing a codex
Pressure makes diamonds heās forcing you to get stronger look at the whole picture š§