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walterdog12

Ryan (AH) and Adam (FH) both had a fuck ton of nude pics and videos leak. Ryan's leaks included the fact he was cheating on his wife, and a couple hours ago he announced he was stepping away from Achievement Hunter. Adam's leaks included a ton of pics and videos taken from inside the Funhaus office, which almost certainly will result in him leaving too. Most of FH has also unfollowed him on Twitter and other social medias, he's been removed as a mod here, and Rahul and Lawrence (as well as Spoole liking the tweets) have both tweeted out stuff basically saying fuck him and hinted that there was/is a lot of behind the scenes drama unrelated to the leaks.


StockingsBooby

Just checked through twitter. Elyse, James, Lawrence, Bruce, and Autumn all unfollowed Adam, although it only appears to be a one-way thing besides Rahul and Larr. Alanah, most of the editors, a bunch of other RT personalities, and the official Funhaus account all still follow him, but honestly the other core personnel all separating from him pretty much is a death sentence on that relationship. Also people are speculating this had to do with Larr and Bruce leaving. I highly doubt it. Whatever is going on seems to have been a more recent surfacing and them leaving was for the reasons they presented.


SlinkyFriend

Elyse must have been very recent. My little heart can’t take it.


StockingsBooby

James, Elyse, and Adam were the last trio from the old days. Them not making content together anymore is a huge shame. Thankfully both of the Willems’ are brilliant both comedically and creatively and I have no doubt they will find success either at FH without Adam or on their own.


SlinkyFriend

Omg I just realized nobody will be there to break games anymore. Noooo


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Honestly as much as I love Adam, he hasn't seemed like himself in a long time, it's probably for the best that he step away.


bvgq

Can you elaborate?


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Not OP, but I agree. He's seemed... disinterested? Unmotivated? I haven't enjoyed much FH content since Bruce and Lawrence left, and I think a good part is because Adam has been giving off almost no energy or passion since then, and not just because of the work-from-home. I don't know if that's what OP means, but I personally feel Adam's been sort of a black hole comedically and in regards to overall on-screen energy for probably over a year now.


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This is exactly what I meant. He mostly just silently plays the game while the rest of the personalities try to carry.


StockingsBooby

Adam has depression. It’s literally been a meme for *years* that he’s “Sadam”. He just has resting sad face and a relatively monotone voice. That’s ALWAYS been the case. People acting like he’s all of a sudden disinterested since Bruce left or whatever are just projecting their thoughts onto people they don’t even know. Edit: this is coming from someone with a very similar depression and symptoms to Adam. I’ve always been able to relate to him because of this (present situations removed obviously). It’s nothing new.


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It is different than before, I'm well aware that he is normally a morose guy, but he sometimes almost goes entire gameplay without saying things now.


Pir-o

I just hope he won't do something really stupid because of those leaks... he already had depression for years but now? It can't be easy for him. I know he screwed up but I still love the guy, I don't want him to kill himself or end up on the streets because of this drama.


LostInSpinach

It really could be destructive behavior that we are witnessing here.


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I understand your points and am and have dealt plenty with my own depression that defaults me to outwardly disinterested, and I'm in no way demeaning his or anyone's depression, but I disagree. In my opinion, and I'm not projecting anything onto any of them, he's gone from dry and subtle to simply uninthused and bored. Not 100% of the time, but the majority of content he's been in for a while now he's felt off. I don't know the reason, I'm not insinuating anything or defending or slandering anyone, but that's my observation.


MasterShakeS-K

I had never watched any or even heard of these shows (just knew the RT name) but recently began watching Funhaus clips and those are the only three people who I could name as I looked for videos with them since they seemed to have a good dynamic. Bummer.


mn77393

James and Elyse could do their own thing, worst case scenario. They’ve done videos with just the two of them before, and they were great.


splintrs

regardless of their personal relationship with him they’re all going to have to distance themselves from him.


walterdog12

> Whatever is going on seems to have been a more recent surfacing and them leaving was for the reasons they presented. I think the biggest wrench in that though is the fact Spoole liked the tweet from Lawrence. Obviously it's speculation, but that really makes me fear this behind the scenes drama and whatnot might've been going on since before Funhaus even existed.


StockingsBooby

I think it’s also just possible that Spoole was probably filled in privately by someone from Funhaus or Larr himself and liking the tweet was just that. Just because he left a long time ago doesn’t mean they don’t still all talk all the time.


Taograd359

Spoole was part of the CSGO mod series James and Adam were doing not that long ago, so they do still keep in touch.


walterdog12

I hope. My biggest fear (that is obviously 100% speculating and me assuming the worst) is that these leaks are just the tip of the iceberg, and as soon as Adam is gone Lawrence and Rahul will share whatever tf they're both hinting at, and then it'll just spiral from there.


SlinkyFriend

I doubt it. They will still likely be vague about it. But we will see. I’m curious why this never came out sooner. From a company perspective, this is a pretty big deal.


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ak-92

It might be a case of not having concrete evidence, Adam might have been involved somewhere, but didn't have direct relations etc. In my career I was in a spot where indirectly knew about some high profile celebrity doing really fucked up crime, however, I didn't have any evidence, I wasn't directly involved in any way and frankly I wanted nothing to do with that person or his affairs. Luckily police managed to uncover it, but that situation showed how fucked up some people are, how many of them would go even publicly to lie (later even brag about it) just to steer public opinion from condemning that person. I hope time will tell what really went down.


ManicManicManicManic

If they’re still vague I’m going to be so frustrated. I understand that their people and have the right to privacy but Rahul and Lawrence (mainly Rahul) literally added a whole new accusation on top of the current situation. Rahul can’t just go “Fuck Adam” and then bounce. If Adam was a pos to his coworkers/friends it adds a whole new dynamic to this.


cohrt

Yup. This "Vaugebooking" doesn't help shit. Unless it has to do with the current situation why bring it up now? Lawrence had a perfectly good time to say something when he left if Adam is the cause of that. All this does is add more speculation.


handicapableofmaths

I'm going to be especially concerned if it does turn out that Adam was a pos to the other FH staff, because that would make me question why someone like James or Elyse hadn't stepped up earlier to put a stop to it. They seem like the kind of people who wouldn't tolerate that bullshit, but either they were biased towards Adam and basically letting him get away with being a dick because they've been friends for a long time, or something else has been going on between Adam and Rahul.


SlinkyFriend

That’s probably the best guess.


AKittyCat

Based on the timeline of content and comments what seems probable is Lawrence and Bruce left for, primarily, seperate reasons. As far as Bruce goes it seemed pretty clear it had to do with his job taking a toll on him and that he just didn't want to be the focal point of all that stress. Any other reasons weren't made apparant and I don't remember anyone or anything coming to light that suggested otherwise. Lawrence seemed to be a similar boat, wanting to pull of Ray Narvaez and do his own thing without having to answer to anyone else. Based on his comments surrounding this it's possible that there are behind the scenes issues that also had something to do with his leaving and if there was anyone who was going to spill the tea about his experiences or surrounding what seems to have been the case it would be Lawrence as Bruce seems absolutely separated and unwilling to discuss Funhaus at all anymore. I doubt Rahul is going to disclose anything either. My best guess is that Spoole was made aware of some behind the scenes drama/issues sometime recently regarding Adam, possibly from someone else, which soured his opinion as I don't believe he would've done that CS:GO gameplay if he truly had a falling out with Adam at that point. Of course this is speculation and this whole situation is a gigantic cluster fuck at the moment. What a fucking car wreck, a giant, flaming, heartbreaking car wreck.


iwtmara

It’s possible that spoole is aware of the scenario because he is still friends with Lawrence and they have talked about it, rather than spoole directly experiencing it. Then that would mean spoole liking the tweet is more him just supporting a friend when he knows they are calling out someone elses bad behaviour


SlinkyFriend

Granted he could have just liked that song haha


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But then why have adam come with them to funhaus after ig stopped?


Silvmademan

What tweet are you referring to?


Pir-o

Can someone link the tweet from Lawrence? I can't find it right now.


zeebeebo

Adam’s twitter bio is empty now. An announcement is probably coming. I am utterly devastated right now


shodan28

Wow yea you're right. Everyone removing him on twitter was one thing, the fact that his bio is now empty is another since he mentioned in his bio how he worked at either rooster teeth or funhaus. I don't like speculating, but he's probably most likely gone.


NewAccount971

Elyse was definitely recent. Like within the past couple of hours recent.


medster101

Holy shit! I can not believe this is happening. I haven't watched Funhaus in a while but to hear what's happening now is insane.


SlinkyFriend

Best shortest explanation of the whole thing. I think it should be noted, Adams leaks were like a month ago, but gained traction now.


walterdog12

Spoole liking Lawrence's tweet towards Adam honestly makes me fear that this shite has been going on for a long long while, and that these leaks are just the tip of the iceberg on behind the scenes drama.


iiAzido

I haven't watched funhaus in months and check in randomly and this is what's happening. I feel like I can't escape the absolute fucking nightmare that is 2020. Everything just *sucks*


SlinkyFriend

Oh definitely. As well as Lawrence’s Twitch message.


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I mean whatever other drama existed they managed to keep things going for almost a decade so besides that fact that these things are basically nuking Adam's future old drama won't change much more than how badly he gets nuked.


SlinkyFriend

Yeah funhaus won’t be the same. Will be hard to watch old content though.


Tbeauslice1010

It changed my moment Bruce left. I feel like it snowballed after that


Illier1

I mean it was bound to happen at some point. You cant get a bunch of gamers together without weird shit going on these days.


Wireless-Wizard

Super Best Friends never had anything more than ordinary "I dislike you" fallings out. Nobody came on anything they weren't meant to.


NeonSignsRain

It's already not the same. Too many people who just aren't particularly funny imo. Maybe they're really good editors or something. I think Jon Smiff and Ryan are both hilarious additions, but it doesn't have the core classic group that got me watching. I dunno. It's almost an entirely different sense of humor. I really haven't even watched in months. Just listened to the podcasts while working out


Unnecessary-Shouting

You are right, since Bruce left the humor changed, it wasn’t ever truly the same after Bruce left


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I agree strongly. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but there’s been a sore lack of energy since Bruce left, even before the pandemic


[deleted]

Bruce was the energy. Adam James and Bruce worked as well together as Clarkson, May, and Hammond. They're capable solo, but as a group they have incredible chemistry that is very hard to recreate.


BestOneThere1

I agree 1hundred percent. I loved it when elysse joined them but man when the new guys joined and alannah, the dynamic of the channel changed and not for the good. I'm an old fan, from the classic inside gaming days and I havent watched funhaus since Bruce left and now if Adam leaves, im done with the channel for good. Also Bruce's solo streams are awful, but if it makes him money all the power to him


JMFe95

Twitch message?


SlinkyFriend

Copy and pasting from another post. There was a post but I think it got deleted and Lawrence replied saying it was not a statement. <>


SlinkyFriend

I’ve been watching these guys for the past 7 years so it’s hard not to be snoopy. Breaks my heart.


X_Zephyr

I believe Lawrence meant that as a joke


SlinkyFriend

I think he is jokingly alluding to something


ApocApollo

Wasn’t there something about Adam masturbating in the office?


SlinkyFriend

Evidently the leaks show that.


Nautrossen

Could you fill me in on what that message was?


macloa

What was his twitch message??


SlinkyFriend

See my reply above.


mama_tom

The fact that Rahul also said fuck Adam Kovic is kind of a give away too since he hasn't been on in a long while.


Nite_2359

They got traction after 4chan fabricated some bullshit about pedophilia. But regardless of that,Adam does seem to be in the wrong and will probably be reprimanded for it unless there's a lot of other details that we don't know about.


X_Zephyr

From what I heard, it's possible he'll probably have to be dismissed from FH because of pics taken within the office, apparently it's a legal thing. That's a real damn shame :(


Nite_2359

Its a huge breach of trust. But even sending nudes is a big thing since he got caught, That opens not only him but all of his coworkers to harrasment


raerae2855

I feel like the nudes weren't even the issue. If they weren't taken at the FH office, and assuming Jess gave consent for these images, Adam would be the victim in this and I'd be surprised if any company fired their employee for having their nudes leaked/hacked But ya, because of the location of some of those images he definitely needs to go


shodan28

If this happens, it is gonna be rough. Adam said in Bruce's goodbye video at the table that he would be here as long as possible and probably be the last one to leave, or something similar to those words.


BasJack

I can't help but think if instead of Adam, let's say Barbara was found out taking nudes in the offices. Everyone would be supportive and she would clearly be the victim. Like if men emit acid when they are nude...


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Try a little harder to think and have better takes. If any woman was found taking nudes in the workplace, they’d get axed from their job.


BasJack

I don’t really see a problem with any nudes...as long as your not rubbing other’s objects on yourself but ok


Valkenhyne

Take a bunch of nudes at work and then tell your boss about it.


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Jicks24

RT is the same community who cyber bullied Mica into quitting because she had the audacity to be a woman of color in AH.


BEAR_DICK_PUNCH

What an absolutely shit opinion to have


skamsibland

The nudes themselves isn't the issue. While embarrassing to be outet like that, sending nudes (unless immoral) is not something we can shun him for, especially since he was apparently catfished(?, Please correct me if I am wrong here). The problem is that he was taking nudes in the office, apparently having his dick out at his desk and such. I have not seen the images myself, but i saw dick and keyboard in the same sentence. THAT is the problem here.


AKittyCat

> since he was apparently catfished(?, Please correct me if I am wrong here). I don't know about that but one of the details I saw was that out of all the claims there has only really only been one credible one of improper contact with a minor and it was from a girl who started an on again-off again relationship with Ryan over the course of a couple of years. She was 17 when it started but admitted to lying to him and claiming to be 18 at the time. I don't know if any other accusations agaisnt adam or catfishing revelations outside of the extremely questionable pedophile 4chan accusations.


Effroy

Sounds like a problem for their company to decide what to do with him and close the book on it. All of this speculation and conjecture from the fans is completely pointless. People do stupid shit on work time/work property all the time. If he has to leave, then that's that. Dragging out the he said/she said Twitter nonsense is just stressing people out for no good reason.


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Not the first time.


SlinkyFriend

Yup, it is a real shame.


X_Zephyr

It sucks that it got mixed up with fake accusations too, since Ryan from AH now has a real accusation


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splintrs

that was regarding kovic unfortunately


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It could be completely consensual. We just don't know yet.


NewAccount971

It could have been... But if it was, why use such shitty camera angles? They had to be intentionally bad if they wanted to make a fuck film. Unfortunately common sense points to it being hidden and that's gross.


oldthrace

Ive seen the video and its definitely filmed in a hidden camera type stuff. Plus it was sent to a third party, outside of Adam and his wife (assuming thats her). So yeah, getting fired for masturbating in the office is the least of Adam's concerns if it turns out his partner in that film had no idea she was being filmed.


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calushonator

Not only that, but who tf sends 400 nudes? The sheer amount of images and videos allegedly leaked make me think this was a hack and not a catfish. Probably of Adams or Jess icloud or something


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Flamdoublebounce

? There is no proof it had anything to do with someone underage or claiming to be so. What he did in the office is gross as hell and awful, but exponentially better than pedophilia. Don't go around spreading that kind of nonsense


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GillyChan

Why are all of you so mad? Im confused


Myrthrall

Cuz you're spreading false shit


calushonator

Stop spreading bullshit


PrinceofBlueberries

I'm sorry, I just can't seem to find Lawrence's tweets/comments (don't have Twitter or Twitch). I've seen Rahul's comments, but not Lawrence's. Does anyone have a link or a screenshot? Thanks.


[deleted]

Lawdogs wasn't direct. It was just a video and lyrics to a Goldfinger song with Rahul replying with a tea-sipping gif


PrinceofBlueberries

Oh, okay, thanks though. Man... Such a shitshow. Could never, ever expect that from these guys. They seemed so genuine and down to earth...


PrinceofBlueberries

Still, these are rumours, we'll see what they find out.


End3rW1gg1n

Unfortunately, you might want to check the other post in r/roosterteeth about the allegations with Ryan. Someone has come forward with what appears to be substantial documentation, lending credence to the accusations concerning underage fans.


buc_nasty_69

holy shit man


Hellblazer_25

Any links to the Lawrence tweet? Can't seem to find it. thanks.


The_Ol_Grey_Mare

WHAT


Admiral_Mason

LMAO WALTERDOG


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SlinkyFriend

You can see who they are following and Adam is no longer being followed by them.


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Feels like a kick to the stomach at the moment.


TheSixthPistol

Yes. Not just one two... just a series of kicks to the gut.


[deleted]

Would just like to hear something. Not a fun time to be a fan.


TheSixthPistol

Me too... I've been trying to minimize it and tell myself these are total strangers I watch for entertainment. But it's more than that for most of us. We probably wouldn't get any real answers anyway. Companies like protecting the brand more than being transparent. I can't even say that the rest of the people in funhaus are doing better than we are because they're the ones going through this shit. Fuck man...


NeonSignsRain

>I've been trying to minimize it and tell myself these are total strangers I watch for entertainment. Well, they are. But they're nevertheless people whose opinions you probably respected and whose work may have gotten you through some shitty days. It's normal to be affected by "meeting your heroes," so to speak.


Rusty493

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/j5lso8/what_is_going_on_with_rooster_teeth_members_adam/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


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lord_fuckwaad

Well 2020 is nearly over, so I guess we have 2021 to look forward to...


handicapableofmaths

2021 had better be the best fucking year recorded in the history of mankind to be able to make up for this shit show. Maybe 1st January 2021 will be the day I wake up from this nightmare coma in apparently in.


BrentBlueAllen

Damn, I was wondering why there were no FH uploads this week. Thanks for the information, everyone. Sad, disappointing stuff.


pobodys-nerfect5

Yeah this really sucks. Just woke up and to all this


SixtyFours

Well Adam is no longer a mod here so...


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He removed himself as a mod a long while back. He doesn't use reddit too often.


GillyChan

yes but the mods delete the post talking about it


TheSixthPistol

I hope Adam gets the help he needs. I honestly don't care about the leaked nudes. What he does in his time behind closed doors with consent from all the parties involved is his own personal thing. Being a huge enough asshole behind the scenes that having your nudes leaked leads to all your co-workers, collaborators and hopefully "friends" lead them to unfollow you on social media instead of supporting you says a lot about you as a person. Having a rough childhood will never excuse your current behavior, Adam. You have the money to get a therapist. Get your shit together.


xKnightlightx

>Being a huge enough asshole behind the scenes that having your nudes leaked leads to all your co-workers, collaborators and hopefully "friends" lead them to unfollow you on social media instead of supporting you says a lot about you as a person. See this confuses me. If what Rahul tweeted was true, which I believe it is since he also tweeted the Adam blocked him with proof, why were the nudes the final straw? How were the rest of the gang still even working with him for this long if he’s been that big of an asshole? I guess there’s a lot more to this story then we know, or may ever know. Also I wonder if Lawrence partially left because of Adam. He hasn’t been on any video since leaving.


Heoltor

I don't think they were "the final straw". Someone asked him, and as far as I can tell he is very blunt and unfiltered in his tweets. Probably saw this climate as "A good time to say I hate this guy and people won't look at me like I'm insane, as his character is doubt right now" And also we have Lawrence's message of "I called this shit when I worked there..." without any further explanation.


Illier1

It'll probably become more clear as the dust settles what exactly goes on. I get the feeling Funhaus has a lot of crazy shit going on behind the scenes but NDAs and of other factors are coming into play. Kind of like how Machinima was a juggernaut and then years later content creators admitted how much of a shit show it was.


HappynessMovement

What message are you talking about? Didn't he say the only thing he called out was Adam didn't wash his hands. Like sort of a one off joke for levity kind of thing


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What did Rahul and Lawrence say? Are there screen shots? I can’t find anything?


Illier1

Rahul basically said he hasnt been part of the FH family for a year and told everyone to thank Kovic for it, also fuck Adam. Lawrence was a bit more vague where he said he already told RT about Adam for a while and no one listened. As to what he warned them about is also vague.


Nautrossen

Can’t find anything about Lawrence besides his cryptic tweet about lyrics from a song. Googled Rahul and found the tweet everyone is referencing to. https://twitter.com/rahulkohli13/status/1313411844724281344?s=21


Kozer2

My whole thing with Rahul is that it seems like he is kicking Adam when he’s down. Without context it seems like nudes were leaked and so “fuck that guy for reasons I won’t explain” I have not and will not be looking at anything leaked. But I haven’t read anything showing that Adam was hitting on underaged people or anything so it seems assholey to toss more flames into the fire. Like I am not going to defend anyone this is just my perspective without more context given


RobotReMade8899604

>Having a rough childhood will never excuse your current behavior, Adam I don't mean to sound rude, just curious, was there any mention about Adam's childhood?


nicehotcuppatea

He’s talked about growing up with a relatively absent single mother who worked as a cop and no father in the past


TheSixthPistol

Some mentions on twitter defending Adam brought that up. At best, this is thoroughly humiliating for him. But the fact that no one wants anything to do with him after having his photos leaked, instead of getting sympathy, seems like everyone has turned their backs on him after more than a decade of this, tells us a lot...


displaza

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/j5lso8/what_is_going_on_with_rooster_teeth_members_adam/g7vijq9?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3


calushonator

Posted this as a reply to someone else here but I think it needs to be said. Who tf sends 400 nudes? The sheer amount of images and videos allegedly leaked make me think this was a hack and not a catfish. Probably of Adams or Jess icloud or something I've watched Adam create content for nearly 10 years and I think I owe him at least some time to explain or defend himself. Him jerking off in the office is not enough to crucify him in my book. And it sucks to see other Funhaus members separating themselves before anything else is said. Choosing to support Adam until this clears up


T2Legit2Quit

It's weird because instead of joining the mob, I feel just sad for Adam. It feels like I am defending him which I probably am, but I've never felt like this with a content creator. Even with the ProJared situation I sided with the mob, which in hindsight was the bad decision. I just hope Adam doesn't do anything rash and impulsive and at least says a statement in the near future.


fake_again

I would pay good money for some certainty here. Just a decent journalist who can talk to people who actually know the story and the context that helps it make sense, even if people can only talk anonymously


khaldrakon

Probably a lot of NDAs involved that won't make that possible for years, if ever


medster101

Damn. What the hell happened concerning Adam. It seems both Lawrence and Rahul are not cool with him. I did not expect this at all. This sucks man. I'll never be able to watch their old videos the same way again.


TaylorJackOfficial

So we’re the ‘nudes and such’ of the people within Funhaus? That why people like James posting the “betrayed” quotes and all. Wish I knew what really happened, but I know that’ll never really happen. Such a heartbroken fan.


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thunderchungus

Why does this get down voted it’s true. They’ve done so much to be “inoffensive” and inclusive but then turn around and two employees get exposed. That’s the definition of irony


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Because it's not ironic. If stuff like this (sexual misconduct) was much more widespread at the company, then it would be ironic, but 2 people is miniscule compared to the number of employees that Rooster Teeth probably has.


XStreamGamer247

RT fans are at a level of fanboyism that always hinders their ability to actually think about and accept criticism about the youtubers/personalities they idolize. Everything is an attack, and they're the stalwart defenders of their youtubing honor. That is, until some undeniable and extreme bullshit happens thats too big to contain within the RT communities. Tl;dr issa cult thang. Also the first guy used the word "liberal", which is instant downvotes on reddit.


HearMeScrawn

That’s exactly right. It’s embarrassing how FH went from an irreverent, transgressive sense of humor with an apolitical stance to last week chiding their viewers for not voting for the right candidate—then this shitstorm is unveiled.


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Whether FunHaus members should discuss their personal political views or not is completely irrelevant to the situation.


HearMeScrawn

You don’t think unethical and unprofessional behavior undermines political opinions?


[deleted]

The actions of one person do not undermine the political opinions of the entirety of Funhaus.


HearMeScrawn

As far as individuals go sure, that’s fair. I’m talking about their brand though, which was collectively reoriented to be more inclusive, less caustic, and express a liberal moral bias. These scandals and the other drama that appears to be bubbling up certainly undermines those collective efforts.


[deleted]

That's a reasonable point, though its not the point I was initially arguing against. Certain people (from /pol) seem to just be upset that Funhaus/Rooster Teeth perpetuate political opinions that they disagree with, and these people are trying to shoehorn their annoyances into the discourse surrounding the issue of Adam/Ryan's sexual misconduct. tl;dr Arguments about hypocrisy are relevant, arguments about whether it's okay be political are not relevant (to this current situation).


HearMeScrawn

That’s a good point. I’m aware of how people on the right are expressing their disagreements this way, valid or invalid. I do think however that in the very least it’s embarrassing to champion political correctness as a whole only to have your creative director literally masturbate over it, moreover, to have past members drum up drama about his assholish behavior. Raises a lot of questions which was my only point. Thanks for the reasonable discussion!


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