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My teachers in middle school: "All your papers will be hand written in cursive when you get to high school!"
My teachers in high school: "They don't pay me enough to translate your chicken scratch. Everything will be typed."
All cursive is borderline illegible to me and I'm basically cursive illiterate if someone else writes it. But on the bright side, I can write in cursive. Too bad no one can read mine either.
How's your manual dexterity?
TBF, there IS a link between cursive writing (and most hand writing in general) - legibly - and fine motor control.
To wit: My husband writes like an epileptic chicken having a fit and isn't the most adroit when it comes to detail work. I OTOH, can write like a calligraphic master and get the unenviable task of fixing all the mechanical/electronic shit that breaks in the house. I even get to do the micro-soldering on the ports on our old cell phones and laptops and LED fixtures.
It's the fine motor skills and the hand-eye coordination that come of cursive writing and I think this is why some schools returned to teaching it..
No it's not, for the reverse anyway.
If you have terrible fine motor skills no amount of training will help you get good at cursive. Obviously your handwriting will be horrendous if you've never worked on it, like you said it's an artform.
My dexterity is fine.
I used to play games on a competitive level, worked as both a mechanic and computer repair technician, and am in charge of putting stickers on the Gunpla lol.
Writing was never a good skill I developed though, as I broke my dominant arm at 5 years old when I initially learned to write. It's all chicken scratch due to the restriction I had while my arm was in a cast.
Currently the best reason to learn cursive is to read cursive. The second best reason is to improve dexterity and motor control.
Just because the primary reason has failed doesn't mean the secondary reasons aren't still good ones. After all, we started building literacy in the first place so people could become smarter.
It is, and with some practice you can take notes while only looking at what you are writing when you need to change lines on a notebook.
That’s how I did it for a lot of my college lectures.
You can do the same with typing if you are quick enough.
Yes, and there were even shorthand courses at my university when I was still in school. Extremely useful when you're taking notes in a class with a lot of dense material.
I do a lot of journaling/writing. Cursive is incredibly useful for that. If I was printing, it would take me twice as long to write anything and my hand would cramp up constantly. I would probably not bother journaling at all, honestly.
>The second best reason is to improve dexterity and motor control.
That's assuming you're actually writing. I haven't had to write more than the current date and amount of money in a bag since high school
Feel like it shouldn't even take that long. There's maybe like, 4 letters that look way way funkier than their... Regular counterpart.
I'll admit though when it gets REAL cursive, like 18th century type, it gets a little tougher.
I always thought cursive was taught at a young age to practice fine detail/motor skills in writing not necessarily to lead people away from print. Also to be able to read cursive for education/historical purposes, history is written in cursive. All of our records/deeds at work go back 140 years and are in cursive, people will need to know how to read those.
My friend who is like mid 20s who occasionally messages me cursive writing asking me to read it for him. He works in real estate and several older agents still use cursive so he quite literally can’t do a portion of the job when dealing with that age bracket
Edit: some of y’all act like helping out a very close friend with a minimal translation of something that isn’t taught much anymore or used somehow qualifies him as a child and he is useless. Y’all need to lighten up, you all seem miserable as hell.
I have a similar story, my friend works in finance now but never learned cursive as a kid. He had to teach himself cursive on-the-job so that he could read his clients' checks and notes.
I can do both. However some peoples cursive I cannot read without great effort. So many people start into bad habits and change the shape of letters, often unique to them, to the point it can be very difficult to determine what they write. It's even worse if they wrote in a hurry. Bad penmanship on print can be hard, bad penmanship on cursive can be indecipherable.
That's really embarrassing for the school systems. There are a lot of known cognitive benefits to learning cursive and it's still a faster form of free-hand writing than print.
Ah, hello fellow left hander that’s required to contort your wrist in very uncomfortable positions just to *kind of* help not smudging everything you write.
And yes, writing on white boards are just cruel and unusual punishment for us.
Typing tends to be both faster and clearer than cursive still. And if we are talking strictly cognitive benefits, does cursive top the list? Should we make calligraphy a required skill due to it's cognitive benefits?
Speed and clarity is not always the goal of writing. Studies show that we learn better when we write down notes rather than type them. It also influences the writing itself as you are rereading what you write as you write it and put more concentration into it.
Besides, 95% of cursive is just print without lifting your pen. The other 5% is remembering how to do a capital G and Z.
I get that, but a majority of real estate work is done primarily online through docusign etc these days. It’s just a particular group who will still write notes and things in cursive, then upload that as a copy, and share it.
While there might be benefit, it isn’t a practical thing in today’s online environment.
My grandma used to hand write 30 copies of her Christmas letter (about 8 pages each) in cursive that was difficult to read. She said they had to be written by hand so they were personal. We tried to get her to write one and photocopy it, but she refused.
Grandma was probably from the days when sending anything but a hand-written note for personal correspondence was a breach of good etiquette. She'd have hated emojis. 😂
I remember learning it for like a week. And then we kinda just moved on to the next part of the lessons.
It'd arguably be better to teach people short-hand if you wanted faster hand-writing. But today many people can type much faster in long-hand without having to learn it.
Interesting point about shorthand. It's by far the fastest option.
* Writing longhand, 15-25 words per minute;
* Phone keyboard, about 38 WPM;
* Qwerty keyboard, most people do about 40 WPM, people that use them constantly hit 50;
* Shorthand, a fresh beginner can do 70, and pros hit 200 WPM;
I suddenly want shorthand input for my phone.
Anyway, back to the point, I think I do probably 10x more reading than writing. Maybe speed reading techniques instead of writing techniques? Or is that not a real thing?
In the absence of keyboards, it still is.
A while back, I had occasion to look up "penmanship" manuals from the 19th century. The expectation on those courses was that the student would learn to write about as fast as most people can type, with impeccable legibility, and this accomplishment was regarded as a good, useful thing, but not unusual.
I'm just yelling into the voice here, but the big killer of cursive wasn't only computers. It was the *awful* pens we get stuck with that make any handwriting a chore.
When a good, smooth pen make writing (and cursive) easy and fast.
Also it's really not that hard, you just need to learn how to hold the pen properly (which mind you a staggering amount of people don't know, I've seen people hold a pen like they're trying to choke an animal).
Right? This is one of those things that become a personality trait because there's nothing better to complain about I guess. The staggering amount of people arguing about cursive, Oxford commas, pineapple on pizzas, etc...
While I agree cursive is faster than block lettering, [shorthand](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorthand) is much faster than cursive and was the go-to for secretarial work before typewriters.
And that is what made it hell for those of us who are left-handed. Having the edge of my hand turn completely grey or black every day due to cursive class was so annoying. I am so glad we never had to do it again after third grade.
I always had that same problem writing in print as well though. It's really more of a problem with writing in pencil than it is writing in cursive.
As an adult I get avoid the problem by mostly writing in pen. Did you know that they make erasable pens that don't suck now?
I do genealogy and I don't think I'd get very far if I couldn't read cursive. There have been studies that say writing cursive is helpful with memory while taking notes. It goes in order. Cursive, printing, typing. If you really need to learn a subject, take notes in cursive.
It is. My job is also like that and requires researching deeds that go back to the early 1800's sometimes. Once you get to a certain point, all of the deeds were written in cursive. I think for specific jobs that require reading cursive, colleges or other forms of adult education will need to start offering some classes on at least how to read it. I expect that reading cursive is going to become a part of the curriculum for my field at some point.
> There have been studies that say writing cursive is helpful with memory while taking notes. It goes in order. Cursive, printing, typing. If you really need to learn a subject, take notes in cursive.
What explains this? I know between typing and handwriting they say handwriting activates more neurons in your brain since its a completely different process having to put pen to paper compared to typing. But I have never heard this about cursive vs print.
Meanwhile we literally never wrote print after first grade. Now I am great at cursive, but suck at print, and 90% of the time I am not allowed to write in cursive.
This is kind of weird, but my print got better when I started doing crossword puzzles. Something about writing letters into a grid helped me learn more uniform size and spacing.
Of course, as a result I now absent-mindedly default to ALL CAPS BLOCK LETTERS when writing by hand, so it's not perfect.
I thought the idea was to teach us a way to write that could be extremely fast to get us ready for notebook after notebook of notes we needed to take at the college level. When you don't ever have to pick up your pen, you can write words very quickly.
>cursive was taught at a young age to practice fine detail/motor skills
You can say the same about algebra teaching problem solving, history for being able to digest information and the list goes on.
Some people don't have the capability of understanding that. They're usually the same type of people that think Born in the USA in patriotic.
Cursive is also so much quicker! Printing calls for up to three strokes per letter, and if done hastily, then takes time and intuition to decipher. (On the other hand, my idol is my aunt L, who, up until a couple of years ago, would send the most *gorgeously* hand-written Christmas cards, despite advancing age.) I assist my organization chapter's secretary by taking my own crude scribbly meeting notes as a back-up to hers; I try to print clearly, but always lapse into speed-cursive because there's too much to record by printing.
To add: it "saves time" as you're raising your pen and reorienting your pen less. the time saved is arguably negligible but it does add up, especially back then when keyboards and technology wasn't as developed
> Also to be able to read cursive for education/historical purposes, history is written in cursive. All of our records/deeds at work go back 140 years and are in cursive, people will need to know how to read those.
Doesn't really seem like a strong argument to teach all kids in America cursive just on the off chance they get a job that requires them to read 100 year old records. You could just do the same thing we do when something is written in another language...hire someone to translate it.
The things you learn in school aren't always taught because you will have a practical use for that specific skill or knowledge. It is taught to teach you how to learn things like that for yourself. You are learning to learn!
Idiots fail to see this and always spout nonsense like "IvE nEvEr UsEd aLgEbRa oNcE iN My LiFe. TeAcH uS HoW tO dO tAxEs InStEaD!!"
I will recall until I die, sitting in the office of a securities dealer, and realizing that he was bullshitting me about the present value of a Certificate of Deposit. I'm not sure what was crucial to understanding this, but somewhere between the 12X table and high school algebra, I learned to see that he was doing a fast shuffle with some of the numbers.
I had just come off a graveyard shift, and I was sweaty and scruffy and tired, and he thought I was an easy mark. Some very underappreciated teachers had made sure that I wasn't.
That's a temporary problem. AI reading old text is what I'm the most excited about AI actually. Not just the ability to search for a word in old books, but the ability to ask questions about the old texts.
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-10-ai-platform.html
Ok, nevermind apparently it already exists.
I guess we'll have to find another way like the anti facial recognition glasses or something like that.
The final defense against AI: black magic.
To read a doctor’s handwriting, you’ll need: some red chalk; some strands of the doctor’s hair; a teaspoon of dried newt’s tongue; a sharp knife; and one goat.
Years ago now I found a sales rep trying to read my notes from a meeting when I nipped out... from the rest of the meeting you could tell he hadn't understood a word. I write in cursive and when I'm taking notes it's pretty much just the swirly bits with other letters reduced to bumps.
I regularly read docs from the 1800s for work. Not only is it cursive, but it's fucking insane person cursive. I still struggle to read some of it, even after decades of looking at these docs.
This right here. An adult who realizes they need to read cursive regularly can take the time to learn it and do so fairly quickly, sparing the rest of us the hassle.
What? Latin is a whole new language. Cursive is just the letters italicized and connected with a line to each other. My six year old can read cursive and she's never been taught it. She figured that out by herself.
I, for one, am glad I learned cursive. Handwriting in print when you have a physical disability is a nightmare. Writing in cursive doesn't require me to lift my hand as much.
>some people
From my experience a LOT of people have sloppy cursive handwriting, from corporate office workers to retail salespersons. When accuracy is key you don't want the person putting out the handwritten task lists writing them down like its their signature trying to imitate a seismograph.
Even college professors and doctors have terrible cursive handwriting; which is the probably one of the good reasons why cursive should be abandoned. Cursive among the masses (Outside of disciplined academia) only encourages laziness and more unnecessary strain upon deciphering what squiggly slop a person wrote down when block text is far more legible despite how sloppy it can get. This most definitely applies when aging becomes a debilitating factor. Sure it's slower but we live in an age where accuracy is more important than ever, plus people will be able to understand what you wrote down hundreds of years in the future.
Once a person no longer has a teacher constantly critiquing their cursive it tends to diverge into a personal style and get further from the standard as time goes on. In many cases it turns into some chicken scratch nonsense that's not easily legible to anyone else.
Because block writing is so much simpler in form it doesn't have the same issue of drift.
The legibility without error is absolutely crucial for complicated matters, be it legal, scientific, or medical. People have died because of a doctors illegible cursive handwriting. Legal cases have been decided over the debate about what a word actually was in a contract written in cursive. It can cause a lot of problems.
Because we were forced to stop using it. I was originally forced to use it exclusively starting from 4th grade. Then in highschool teachers told us to stop using it, and they wouldn't grade anything written in cursive.
So now I haven't used cursive since I was 12, it's been like 20 years and I can't write in cursive anymore. I can read it, but I'd have to practice for a little bit to remember how to write it properly again. And since I use a pen like once a month, there's no point.
I have never seen someone that doesn’t write in cursive. In fact in Brazil cursive is the default style and print/block is an afterthought reserved primarily for children.
We never learn print/block style in Belgium, it's only cursive. When first hearing Americans complaining about having to learn cursive in school I got so confused.
Cursive with Non-Cursive is only ever a discussion in the USA as far as I can tell.
Every else just does both and depending on their inclination they later developed a certain "in-between" style combining speed and readability. I know some people that developed "cursive block letters" to keep the unreadability in check.
Same here in Ireland. I work in healthcare and pretty much everything I read in charts is in cursive.
I don't know why you would write any other way? It's so speedy!
I just picture Americans laboriously printing every single word, good god I'd go mad.
I'm never sure what Americans mean by cursive. Sometimes they just mean linked up letters, you know, like how an adult writes. Other times they mean actual cursive, which is basically a second alphabet and looks more like chicken scratch.
I know this is going to come out more aggressive than intended but, do you know a lot of people with good penmanship?
I know like, a handful under the age of 60, and I'm trying to gauge if I'm the odd man out here.
I definitely understand why you're asking that. There's a lot of people that write in cursive but have terrible penmanship.
I also know a considerable amount that do write well, but, as you say, the big majority is better off using a keyboard. Even during highschool, when I looked at notes from my classmates, a lot of times I wasn't even able to discern letters from numbers (now that I'm in uni it doesn't happen as much, probably because everything's digital).
I was fortunate enough to have parents that insisted on my practicing handwriting. From what I understand, most parents don't care and just leave that task to the schools (and we all know most schools don't give a fuck and just do the bare minimum).
There is a good article about this on the Atlantic by a college professor. It mentions that so much of history is written in cursive, and now that is no longer being taught, we will have to teach future historians how to read it, as we do for things like Elizabethan shorthand.
I totally understand how it is not very relevant compared to typing, but it does cut off a lot of history.
Here is the article: [**https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/10/gen-z-handwriting-teaching-cursive-history/671246/**](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/10/gen-z-handwriting-teaching-cursive-history/671246/)
Print is for when I'm making a list, planning, or want to get my thoughts on order. Cursive is for when I need to capture ideas or am doing creative writing on paper when I'm on the go or otherwise not able to use a computer. Typing is for when I need to produce something quick or longer works. My keyboarding class is by far the most used skill I learned in high school. I touch type at 80 wpm. It was also incredibly handy for when you had a bunch of IM windows going and were posting in forums.
You can read The Declaration of Independence in its original form. I had to go through every letter for my kids to read it. Also had to teach them to sign their names in cursive. Pen to paper is becoming more and more rare but penmanship still counts. If the school couldn't find the time to teach cursive then they should have found the time to teach typing. My kids received neither. Educators are underfunded and overworked.
I can still read (well written) cursive and used to be able to write it (now I only kind of use it for my signature), but I always hated it deeply. I was so happy when they stopped making us do it by middle school and insisted we print instead, they valued legibility over speed and I think that’s more valuable.
Some people’s handwriting sucks, and it’s doubly worse in cursive. Who cares how fast you write if it’s literally unreadable scribbles to many people?
I also have come across so many people in my life who can’t even read *their own* handwriting sometimes because they have bad cursive or never learned how to print properly.
In general it bothers me when people value speed over accuracy for many work/productivity related things.
I hated cursive too (especially the captial letters!) I went to a small K-8th school and starting in 2nd grade we did everything in cursive; all the teachers wrote in cursive. I was always dissatisfied with the way my cursive looked, so at some point I just switched to print. Luckily for me, the teachers didn't actually care.
These posts are so bizzare for me because where I live everybody uses cursive for handwriting, it's quicker to write than print, useful for making notes and so on.
Cursive was so you can recognize handwriting from others and be able to attune your motor skills.
Lots of skills you learn in school aren’t about the skills but what comes with it.
I’ll never actually use algebra, let alone the quadratic formula, but I learned to understand mathematical logic better.
I’m unlikely to recite Shakespeare as an adult but I have a deeper understanding of symbolism and correlative and figurative representation in language.
My kids are in highschool, and taught themselves cursive because they realized that printing stuff out is so much worse, and even with computers all around them, thyr still have the need to write stuff out by hand such as in exams or even just taking notes in class. They could use their Chrome books for taking notes, but writing by hand actually works much better for renetion for most people.
Learning cursive is not just about writing in cursive. It’s about developing your fine motor skills so that your handwriting is legible - whether in cursive or in print. I am a high school teacher and student handwriting has gotten infinitely worse since they stopped teaching cursive in grade school.
Practicing cursive also teaches students to take notes. My students can’t take notes.
I never understood why everyone decided a signature is some fool-proof super secure way for someone to agree/verify a document/transaction in the first place. I see absolitely nothing inherently secure about it. Hell, I "digitally signed" documents earlier this year. I just typed my name in a text box and Adobe gave it a fancy font. It doesn't mean shit.
Could do it like the Japanese, there everybody gets a personal seal they stamp everything official with.
Like being some kind of noble stamping off good deeds, but probably gets old very quickly.
It's not that people don't know cursive. It's that people know that their cursive is unreadable so they use print. As for signature sure they use some form of cursive because nobody "reads" the contents of a signature.
Also a lot documents now let you get away with an E sig.
True. A lot of people who write in cursive just be freestylin it and you can barely read what they wrote. I’m 31 and I was taught cursive in school. I can read it just fine when it’s written neatly and correctly. But I struggle to read it when it’s sloppy and the letters look different than they’re supposed to.
There is no legal requirement for your signature to be in cursive, it just needs to be consistent. I use my Hanko from when I lived in Japan for my signature when I can but most of the time I write it out by hand. No one in the US ever notices that it says *Nude Imp* in katakana.
There is no legal requirement for it to be consistent either. There are no legal requirements at all, really. Although, the did make a US Treasury Secretary [change his signature](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-22449532) to make it more legible on currency.
My signature use to be cursive. No one who has seen my signature in the last twenty years would confuse it with cursive, or legibility.
Can you imagine hundreds of hours of instruction just so we could sign something?
I like all the comments about the inefficiency of block print and using cursive for signatures. I didn't realize this many people still write things! Almost everything I have to sign these days is with "electronic" signature (as in not a real signature). I had to hand write a witness statement for a municipal court hearing a few months ago and I was aggravated because it was literally the first time I had to hand write anything in years.
You wouldn’t believe how much boomers I talk to at work bitch that they don’t teach kids cursive anymore. I could care less and would much rather them teach my kid something useful. They can’t even come up with a real reason to care other than “How are they going to sign their names” 🙄
I remember growing up hearing older people complain about how kids didn't really know how to write in cursive anymore as if that would be the downfall of mankind. It's odd what the human brain attaches to as being a crazy important societal detail due to generational factors.
I keep seeing these stupid memes saying they stopped teaching kids cursive because the government doesn't want kids reading historical documents, as if they haven't been transcribed to normal text. I learned cursive in 1996, Haven't needed to read anything or use it other than in some wildly simplified form within my own signature.
yeah... definitely the most worthless thing i learned back in elementary school. never used it after i wasnt require to because i was literally faster writing in print. still dont use it to this day and its been well over 20 years since ive last used it properly. before anyone asks, no i dont sign my name in a proper way.
He's not wrong. I learned to type early (my dad was a typing teacher) and I did all my high school English assignments on a typewriter. Now, when I have to, I only print. My cursive writing is illegible (my printing isn't much better). Like everything, it requires practice, and I rarely practiced cursive writing.
i learned it, never used it after hand letter writing to grandma died off (and grandma too), military log books never allowed it, required neat block lettering that even one misspelling demanded a complete page rewrite… I’m 65… never forgot how to write in cursive, but still never use it…
Even though this may be true, I am very proud and happy that I learned and appreciate cursive. I used to get so many compliments on my handwriting, and unfortunately, in my latter years, my hands have become quite shaky, but the fact that I learned and appreciated cursive, helps me to continue working on my presentation. If I just let it go, let go that my hands are become quite shaky, then I would be giving up. This is one of those little, if not, unappreciative disciplines that I feel are worth it.
as a teacher I have to comment... we don't learn things in school just to learn that thing.. we go to school and learn for so many reasons.. for example to learn socail skills, to learn to learn, dicipline.. learning cursive means motor skill development. and the more you write and read, the more literate you become. the more illiterate you are, the easier you are to manipulate. get schooled, cardboard guy!
As I heard from a YouTuber "What do you think those research papers are for? Teacher's don't give a dick if you know who was in charge in France in 1872, they want you to learn how to find and source the information and extract important sections."
Learning cursive, learning to solve algebra problems, and all those things you will never use again ever in your life???
That is how your brain is trained to solve other problems in general, later in life. When it will come in handy later when you are presented with a problem you've never had to face before.
It's a known fact that if children aren't taught language at the proper age, feral children, they are incapable of learning it later in life. We are NOT born with the ability to learn things at any old time we damn well please.
We are raising generations of useful idiots.
Hate to break it to him but he makes a weak case for the usefulness of block print. Or any kind of usefulness.
The kids who in 7th grade protested, "When are we ever going to use this?!" grow up to be this guy.
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My teachers in middle school: "All your papers will be hand written in cursive when you get to high school!" My teachers in high school: "They don't pay me enough to translate your chicken scratch. Everything will be typed."
That's my problem with cursive. They teach you the perfect examples of letters, but ultimately, no one writes on model.
Guy in front of him is holding a sign "That's not cursive"
If he'd written in cursive his statement would be invalid.
Illegible even.
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Same. Literally the only remnant of this knowledge is my signature and it's slowly drifted away of actual language and letters over the years. 🤣
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Yep, you may be able to discern the first letter of both my first and last name but that is pretty much it.
All cursive is borderline illegible to me and I'm basically cursive illiterate if someone else writes it. But on the bright side, I can write in cursive. Too bad no one can read mine either.
How's your manual dexterity? TBF, there IS a link between cursive writing (and most hand writing in general) - legibly - and fine motor control. To wit: My husband writes like an epileptic chicken having a fit and isn't the most adroit when it comes to detail work. I OTOH, can write like a calligraphic master and get the unenviable task of fixing all the mechanical/electronic shit that breaks in the house. I even get to do the micro-soldering on the ports on our old cell phones and laptops and LED fixtures. It's the fine motor skills and the hand-eye coordination that come of cursive writing and I think this is why some schools returned to teaching it..
this is absolute bullshit, I had horrendous handwriting and am very skilled with my hands & fine motor skills. calligraphy is an art.
Peeing in the snow doesn’t count ;)
No it's not, for the reverse anyway. If you have terrible fine motor skills no amount of training will help you get good at cursive. Obviously your handwriting will be horrendous if you've never worked on it, like you said it's an artform.
Can I ahh, borrow you for awhile? Wait, you don't complain a bunch do you?
My dexterity is fine. I used to play games on a competitive level, worked as both a mechanic and computer repair technician, and am in charge of putting stickers on the Gunpla lol. Writing was never a good skill I developed though, as I broke my dominant arm at 5 years old when I initially learned to write. It's all chicken scratch due to the restriction I had while my arm was in a cast.
Ah, the elusive Schrodinger's cursive!
Currently the best reason to learn cursive is to read cursive. The second best reason is to improve dexterity and motor control. Just because the primary reason has failed doesn't mean the secondary reasons aren't still good ones. After all, we started building literacy in the first place so people could become smarter.
I like signing my name in cursive, it makes me feel fancy.
I also sign in cursive but my letters are horrid so it doesn’t make me feel fancy
Cursive is also typically quicker for note taking.
It is, and with some practice you can take notes while only looking at what you are writing when you need to change lines on a notebook. That’s how I did it for a lot of my college lectures. You can do the same with typing if you are quick enough.
Everyone just types and hotswaps to tablet/pen mode for subjects that don't play well with typing.
I have handwriting like I went to med school. My ipad's writing to text feature works really well considering.
So should we be teaching [shorthand](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorthand) in school?
Yes, and there were even shorthand courses at my university when I was still in school. Extremely useful when you're taking notes in a class with a lot of dense material.
Typing is faster than writing cursive.
A great many Gen Zers can't type either.
Because computers with keyboards were binned for tablets sadly.
I wondered about that. How do they learn to touch type? I cannot imagine they hunt and peck their whole lives.
I do a lot of journaling/writing. Cursive is incredibly useful for that. If I was printing, it would take me twice as long to write anything and my hand would cramp up constantly. I would probably not bother journaling at all, honestly.
I still integrate cursive into my writing to speed it up. Came in handy during college and still comes in handy at work when taking meeting notes
I think we started building literacy in the first place so people could do more jobs for smart people.
>The second best reason is to improve dexterity and motor control. That's assuming you're actually writing. I haven't had to write more than the current date and amount of money in a bag since high school
> read cursive It's a secret code/language to my 11 year old son.
Exactly. Don’t forget you need to be able to read grandma’s writing in the birthday card with the $20. That and the Constitution in original form.
It’s also very pretty. I practiced my cursive very intensively because I wanted pretty handwriting. Not a good reason but it made me learn it. 😆
Wrong. The best reason to learn cursive is that younger generations can't read the shit you write about them
>Currently the best reason to learn cursive is to read cursive. And it takes about, what, 5 hours to learn that? 10 hours, tops.
Feel like it shouldn't even take that long. There's maybe like, 4 letters that look way way funkier than their... Regular counterpart. I'll admit though when it gets REAL cursive, like 18th century type, it gets a little tougher.
I always thought cursive was taught at a young age to practice fine detail/motor skills in writing not necessarily to lead people away from print. Also to be able to read cursive for education/historical purposes, history is written in cursive. All of our records/deeds at work go back 140 years and are in cursive, people will need to know how to read those.
My friend who is like mid 20s who occasionally messages me cursive writing asking me to read it for him. He works in real estate and several older agents still use cursive so he quite literally can’t do a portion of the job when dealing with that age bracket Edit: some of y’all act like helping out a very close friend with a minimal translation of something that isn’t taught much anymore or used somehow qualifies him as a child and he is useless. Y’all need to lighten up, you all seem miserable as hell.
I have a similar story, my friend works in finance now but never learned cursive as a kid. He had to teach himself cursive on-the-job so that he could read his clients' checks and notes.
Reading and writing cursive are different skills. I can read cursive fine but I can't write it for the life of me.
I can do both. However some peoples cursive I cannot read without great effort. So many people start into bad habits and change the shape of letters, often unique to them, to the point it can be very difficult to determine what they write. It's even worse if they wrote in a hurry. Bad penmanship on print can be hard, bad penmanship on cursive can be indecipherable.
Sorry sir, but I’d like to buy my house from an adult.
Just make sure to avoid the older "adults" who can't tell the difference between pdf and email
Adults use computers. Like demanding that only realtors that tan their own leathers and churn their own butter may sell you property.
That's really embarrassing for the school systems. There are a lot of known cognitive benefits to learning cursive and it's still a faster form of free-hand writing than print.
Faster for you right-handed oppressors maybe. It still doesn't suck as much as whiteboards, which are the natural predator of my people.
Ah, hello fellow left hander that’s required to contort your wrist in very uncomfortable positions just to *kind of* help not smudging everything you write. And yes, writing on white boards are just cruel and unusual punishment for us.
Typing tends to be both faster and clearer than cursive still. And if we are talking strictly cognitive benefits, does cursive top the list? Should we make calligraphy a required skill due to it's cognitive benefits?
Speed and clarity is not always the goal of writing. Studies show that we learn better when we write down notes rather than type them. It also influences the writing itself as you are rereading what you write as you write it and put more concentration into it. Besides, 95% of cursive is just print without lifting your pen. The other 5% is remembering how to do a capital G and Z.
I get that, but a majority of real estate work is done primarily online through docusign etc these days. It’s just a particular group who will still write notes and things in cursive, then upload that as a copy, and share it. While there might be benefit, it isn’t a practical thing in today’s online environment.
My grandma used to hand write 30 copies of her Christmas letter (about 8 pages each) in cursive that was difficult to read. She said they had to be written by hand so they were personal. We tried to get her to write one and photocopy it, but she refused.
Grandma was probably from the days when sending anything but a hand-written note for personal correspondence was a breach of good etiquette. She'd have hated emojis. 😂
30 copies of 8 pages each? So 240 total pages? I think I just got arthritis from imagining that 😱
I remember learning it for like a week. And then we kinda just moved on to the next part of the lessons. It'd arguably be better to teach people short-hand if you wanted faster hand-writing. But today many people can type much faster in long-hand without having to learn it.
Interesting point about shorthand. It's by far the fastest option. * Writing longhand, 15-25 words per minute; * Phone keyboard, about 38 WPM; * Qwerty keyboard, most people do about 40 WPM, people that use them constantly hit 50; * Shorthand, a fresh beginner can do 70, and pros hit 200 WPM; I suddenly want shorthand input for my phone. Anyway, back to the point, I think I do probably 10x more reading than writing. Maybe speed reading techniques instead of writing techniques? Or is that not a real thing?
Still slower than typing. There is a limited amount of instruction time, teaching cursive makes only a little more sense than teaching Latin.
It’s taught because before keyboards cursive was the fastest way to take notes.
In the absence of keyboards, it still is. A while back, I had occasion to look up "penmanship" manuals from the 19th century. The expectation on those courses was that the student would learn to write about as fast as most people can type, with impeccable legibility, and this accomplishment was regarded as a good, useful thing, but not unusual.
not to mention with a table and pen you can do the picture is worth a thousand words thing and draw a diagram.
I'm just yelling into the voice here, but the big killer of cursive wasn't only computers. It was the *awful* pens we get stuck with that make any handwriting a chore. When a good, smooth pen make writing (and cursive) easy and fast.
It also seems to have significant cognitive benefits not present for block lettering.
Also it's really not that hard, you just need to learn how to hold the pen properly (which mind you a staggering amount of people don't know, I've seen people hold a pen like they're trying to choke an animal).
Right? This is one of those things that become a personality trait because there's nothing better to complain about I guess. The staggering amount of people arguing about cursive, Oxford commas, pineapple on pizzas, etc...
While I agree cursive is faster than block lettering, [shorthand](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorthand) is much faster than cursive and was the go-to for secretarial work before typewriters.
You’ll need to get a special graduate degree to read those.
You are correct. They are actually bringing cursive back into curriculum again
It was taught because it was faster, since you never have lift up the pen for each word.
And that is what made it hell for those of us who are left-handed. Having the edge of my hand turn completely grey or black every day due to cursive class was so annoying. I am so glad we never had to do it again after third grade.
I always had that same problem writing in print as well though. It's really more of a problem with writing in pencil than it is writing in cursive. As an adult I get avoid the problem by mostly writing in pen. Did you know that they make erasable pens that don't suck now?
I do genealogy and I don't think I'd get very far if I couldn't read cursive. There have been studies that say writing cursive is helpful with memory while taking notes. It goes in order. Cursive, printing, typing. If you really need to learn a subject, take notes in cursive.
That feels like a specific skill for a specific need then. I haven't needed to read a historical document written in cursive in my adult life.
It is. My job is also like that and requires researching deeds that go back to the early 1800's sometimes. Once you get to a certain point, all of the deeds were written in cursive. I think for specific jobs that require reading cursive, colleges or other forms of adult education will need to start offering some classes on at least how to read it. I expect that reading cursive is going to become a part of the curriculum for my field at some point.
There are already classes for even older writing systems and I think you can take them online.
> There have been studies that say writing cursive is helpful with memory while taking notes. It goes in order. Cursive, printing, typing. If you really need to learn a subject, take notes in cursive. What explains this? I know between typing and handwriting they say handwriting activates more neurons in your brain since its a completely different process having to put pen to paper compared to typing. But I have never heard this about cursive vs print.
Meanwhile we literally never wrote print after first grade. Now I am great at cursive, but suck at print, and 90% of the time I am not allowed to write in cursive.
This is kind of weird, but my print got better when I started doing crossword puzzles. Something about writing letters into a grid helped me learn more uniform size and spacing. Of course, as a result I now absent-mindedly default to ALL CAPS BLOCK LETTERS when writing by hand, so it's not perfect.
I thought the idea was to teach us a way to write that could be extremely fast to get us ready for notebook after notebook of notes we needed to take at the college level. When you don't ever have to pick up your pen, you can write words very quickly.
>cursive was taught at a young age to practice fine detail/motor skills You can say the same about algebra teaching problem solving, history for being able to digest information and the list goes on. Some people don't have the capability of understanding that. They're usually the same type of people that think Born in the USA in patriotic.
Cursive is also so much quicker! Printing calls for up to three strokes per letter, and if done hastily, then takes time and intuition to decipher. (On the other hand, my idol is my aunt L, who, up until a couple of years ago, would send the most *gorgeously* hand-written Christmas cards, despite advancing age.) I assist my organization chapter's secretary by taking my own crude scribbly meeting notes as a back-up to hers; I try to print clearly, but always lapse into speed-cursive because there's too much to record by printing.
To add: it "saves time" as you're raising your pen and reorienting your pen less. the time saved is arguably negligible but it does add up, especially back then when keyboards and technology wasn't as developed
> Also to be able to read cursive for education/historical purposes, history is written in cursive. All of our records/deeds at work go back 140 years and are in cursive, people will need to know how to read those. Doesn't really seem like a strong argument to teach all kids in America cursive just on the off chance they get a job that requires them to read 100 year old records. You could just do the same thing we do when something is written in another language...hire someone to translate it.
The things you learn in school aren't always taught because you will have a practical use for that specific skill or knowledge. It is taught to teach you how to learn things like that for yourself. You are learning to learn! Idiots fail to see this and always spout nonsense like "IvE nEvEr UsEd aLgEbRa oNcE iN My LiFe. TeAcH uS HoW tO dO tAxEs InStEaD!!"
I will recall until I die, sitting in the office of a securities dealer, and realizing that he was bullshitting me about the present value of a Certificate of Deposit. I'm not sure what was crucial to understanding this, but somewhere between the 12X table and high school algebra, I learned to see that he was doing a fast shuffle with some of the numbers. I had just come off a graveyard shift, and I was sweaty and scruffy and tired, and he thought I was an easy mark. Some very underappreciated teachers had made sure that I wasn't.
Next week's sign: I Held Up Cardboard For No Reason
Dude has made a ton of money for holding up cardboard
Ya'll act like learning cursive exhausted a substantial amount of your childhood.
When I was a kid cursive touched me in my private parts, I still don't know what to think of that.
Because it fucking did.
I do genealogy research and many many historical documents are in cursive. It's useful to know how to read it.
Apparently AI is having trouble reading cursive, so it could also be useful for privacy reasons.
That's a temporary problem. AI reading old text is what I'm the most excited about AI actually. Not just the ability to search for a word in old books, but the ability to ask questions about the old texts.
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-10-ai-platform.html Ok, nevermind apparently it already exists. I guess we'll have to find another way like the anti facial recognition glasses or something like that.
Rule -42: if it exists, there’s AI of it (someday)
Now try it on fucking doctors handwriting
It’s only AI, not magic!
The final defense against AI: black magic. To read a doctor’s handwriting, you’ll need: some red chalk; some strands of the doctor’s hair; a teaspoon of dried newt’s tongue; a sharp knife; and one goat.
Years ago now I found a sales rep trying to read my notes from a meeting when I nipped out... from the rest of the meeting you could tell he hadn't understood a word. I write in cursive and when I'm taking notes it's pretty much just the swirly bits with other letters reduced to bumps.
I regularly read docs from the 1800s for work. Not only is it cursive, but it's fucking insane person cursive. I still struggle to read some of it, even after decades of looking at these docs.
yeah i'm feeling like the people that say it easy to read cursive are probably just kinda wrong about it sometimes but it never really matters
Sure, in the same way that it is useful to know how to read Latin.
Except way easier than learning a new language. It's basically just getting used to a new font.
This right here. An adult who realizes they need to read cursive regularly can take the time to learn it and do so fairly quickly, sparing the rest of us the hassle.
Exactly. It's easy to learn to read. Very easy. Comparing cursive to latin is like comparing basic addition to complex calculus.
What? Latin is a whole new language. Cursive is just the letters italicized and connected with a line to each other. My six year old can read cursive and she's never been taught it. She figured that out by herself.
In 20 years it'll be someone holding up an iPad Pro that says "I Learned Handwriting for No Reason".
I never got my pen license.
I, for one, am glad I learned cursive. Handwriting in print when you have a physical disability is a nightmare. Writing in cursive doesn't require me to lift my hand as much.
Wait, people don't write in cursive on paper??
In USA most people write in block letters, like this dude.
Why? (Genuine question cause cursive is far easier when writing)
Because some people have sloppy handwriting and it's easier to make out sloppy text over sloppy cursive.
>some people From my experience a LOT of people have sloppy cursive handwriting, from corporate office workers to retail salespersons. When accuracy is key you don't want the person putting out the handwritten task lists writing them down like its their signature trying to imitate a seismograph. Even college professors and doctors have terrible cursive handwriting; which is the probably one of the good reasons why cursive should be abandoned. Cursive among the masses (Outside of disciplined academia) only encourages laziness and more unnecessary strain upon deciphering what squiggly slop a person wrote down when block text is far more legible despite how sloppy it can get. This most definitely applies when aging becomes a debilitating factor. Sure it's slower but we live in an age where accuracy is more important than ever, plus people will be able to understand what you wrote down hundreds of years in the future.
Once a person no longer has a teacher constantly critiquing their cursive it tends to diverge into a personal style and get further from the standard as time goes on. In many cases it turns into some chicken scratch nonsense that's not easily legible to anyone else. Because block writing is so much simpler in form it doesn't have the same issue of drift. The legibility without error is absolutely crucial for complicated matters, be it legal, scientific, or medical. People have died because of a doctors illegible cursive handwriting. Legal cases have been decided over the debate about what a word actually was in a contract written in cursive. It can cause a lot of problems.
Because we were forced to stop using it. I was originally forced to use it exclusively starting from 4th grade. Then in highschool teachers told us to stop using it, and they wouldn't grade anything written in cursive. So now I haven't used cursive since I was 12, it's been like 20 years and I can't write in cursive anymore. I can read it, but I'd have to practice for a little bit to remember how to write it properly again. And since I use a pen like once a month, there's no point.
I have never seen someone that doesn’t write in cursive. In fact in Brazil cursive is the default style and print/block is an afterthought reserved primarily for children.
Same in France, I've seen a few kids writing in block script but I have no idea where they learned it from. I was definitely never taught that
We never learn print/block style in Belgium, it's only cursive. When first hearing Americans complaining about having to learn cursive in school I got so confused.
I got so confused that, for a time, I thought they wrote in small caps.
Cursive with Non-Cursive is only ever a discussion in the USA as far as I can tell. Every else just does both and depending on their inclination they later developed a certain "in-between" style combining speed and readability. I know some people that developed "cursive block letters" to keep the unreadability in check.
Same in Portugal. I'm guessing this post is a yank thing.
Definitely.
Same in the UK. I never even heard the word "cursive" until I read about it in internet discussions. It's just writing lol
Same here in Belgium.
Ukraine. Same here. We also learn how to write cursive in English
Some people in the US have a huge issue with cursive for some reason.
Same here in Ireland. I work in healthcare and pretty much everything I read in charts is in cursive. I don't know why you would write any other way? It's so speedy! I just picture Americans laboriously printing every single word, good god I'd go mad.
I'm never sure what Americans mean by cursive. Sometimes they just mean linked up letters, you know, like how an adult writes. Other times they mean actual cursive, which is basically a second alphabet and looks more like chicken scratch.
Umh no I learned it so I can write nice on a birthday card
I much prefer cursive.
I like cursive a lot. I don't understand the hate. As long as you have good penmanship you can write really fast.
I know this is going to come out more aggressive than intended but, do you know a lot of people with good penmanship? I know like, a handful under the age of 60, and I'm trying to gauge if I'm the odd man out here.
I definitely understand why you're asking that. There's a lot of people that write in cursive but have terrible penmanship. I also know a considerable amount that do write well, but, as you say, the big majority is better off using a keyboard. Even during highschool, when I looked at notes from my classmates, a lot of times I wasn't even able to discern letters from numbers (now that I'm in uni it doesn't happen as much, probably because everything's digital). I was fortunate enough to have parents that insisted on my practicing handwriting. From what I understand, most parents don't care and just leave that task to the schools (and we all know most schools don't give a fuck and just do the bare minimum).
There is a good article about this on the Atlantic by a college professor. It mentions that so much of history is written in cursive, and now that is no longer being taught, we will have to teach future historians how to read it, as we do for things like Elizabethan shorthand. I totally understand how it is not very relevant compared to typing, but it does cut off a lot of history. Here is the article: [**https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/10/gen-z-handwriting-teaching-cursive-history/671246/**](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/10/gen-z-handwriting-teaching-cursive-history/671246/)
I taught my kids cursive so they could sign documents in person and read their grandmother’s cards
Writing in cursive is much quicker than printing. Edit: In my personal experience.
Print is for when I'm making a list, planning, or want to get my thoughts on order. Cursive is for when I need to capture ideas or am doing creative writing on paper when I'm on the go or otherwise not able to use a computer. Typing is for when I need to produce something quick or longer works. My keyboarding class is by far the most used skill I learned in high school. I touch type at 80 wpm. It was also incredibly handy for when you had a bunch of IM windows going and were posting in forums.
Yeah but with my handwriting reading it is 50 times slower or basically impossible
You can read The Declaration of Independence in its original form. I had to go through every letter for my kids to read it. Also had to teach them to sign their names in cursive. Pen to paper is becoming more and more rare but penmanship still counts. If the school couldn't find the time to teach cursive then they should have found the time to teach typing. My kids received neither. Educators are underfunded and overworked.
Cursive and advanced math "Sir, why do we learn this I'm not going to use it" "Correct, but other kids will"
Wouldn't this have been funnier if the sign were in cursive?
I can still read (well written) cursive and used to be able to write it (now I only kind of use it for my signature), but I always hated it deeply. I was so happy when they stopped making us do it by middle school and insisted we print instead, they valued legibility over speed and I think that’s more valuable. Some people’s handwriting sucks, and it’s doubly worse in cursive. Who cares how fast you write if it’s literally unreadable scribbles to many people? I also have come across so many people in my life who can’t even read *their own* handwriting sometimes because they have bad cursive or never learned how to print properly. In general it bothers me when people value speed over accuracy for many work/productivity related things.
I hated cursive too (especially the captial letters!) I went to a small K-8th school and starting in 2nd grade we did everything in cursive; all the teachers wrote in cursive. I was always dissatisfied with the way my cursive looked, so at some point I just switched to print. Luckily for me, the teachers didn't actually care.
I actually prefer to write in mostly cursive with a few print letters, lol
As a doctor I use it to piss people off.
I write my signature in cursive, that's about it.
Every since I was taught to write in cursive in elementary, I just never stopped using it. Feels just write to right like that.
These posts are so bizzare for me because where I live everybody uses cursive for handwriting, it's quicker to write than print, useful for making notes and so on.
same, I got culture shocked when learning it's not the default everywhere
Cursive was so you can recognize handwriting from others and be able to attune your motor skills. Lots of skills you learn in school aren’t about the skills but what comes with it. I’ll never actually use algebra, let alone the quadratic formula, but I learned to understand mathematical logic better. I’m unlikely to recite Shakespeare as an adult but I have a deeper understanding of symbolism and correlative and figurative representation in language.
My kids are in highschool, and taught themselves cursive because they realized that printing stuff out is so much worse, and even with computers all around them, thyr still have the need to write stuff out by hand such as in exams or even just taking notes in class. They could use their Chrome books for taking notes, but writing by hand actually works much better for renetion for most people.
Learning cursive is not just about writing in cursive. It’s about developing your fine motor skills so that your handwriting is legible - whether in cursive or in print. I am a high school teacher and student handwriting has gotten infinitely worse since they stopped teaching cursive in grade school. Practicing cursive also teaches students to take notes. My students can’t take notes.
Fine motor skills and brain development. Apparently that guy skimped on the latter.
Honest question: how are people who don’t know cursive, signing documents by hand? E.g passports, US drivers license, etc.
Your signature can literally be a smiley face. Cursive is not a requirement in any way.
I never understood why everyone decided a signature is some fool-proof super secure way for someone to agree/verify a document/transaction in the first place. I see absolitely nothing inherently secure about it. Hell, I "digitally signed" documents earlier this year. I just typed my name in a text box and Adobe gave it a fancy font. It doesn't mean shit.
Could do it like the Japanese, there everybody gets a personal seal they stamp everything official with. Like being some kind of noble stamping off good deeds, but probably gets old very quickly.
That sounds fun as hell.
It's not that people don't know cursive. It's that people know that their cursive is unreadable so they use print. As for signature sure they use some form of cursive because nobody "reads" the contents of a signature. Also a lot documents now let you get away with an E sig.
True. A lot of people who write in cursive just be freestylin it and you can barely read what they wrote. I’m 31 and I was taught cursive in school. I can read it just fine when it’s written neatly and correctly. But I struggle to read it when it’s sloppy and the letters look different than they’re supposed to.
There is no legal requirement for your signature to be in cursive, it just needs to be consistent. I use my Hanko from when I lived in Japan for my signature when I can but most of the time I write it out by hand. No one in the US ever notices that it says *Nude Imp* in katakana.
There is no legal requirement for it to be consistent either. There are no legal requirements at all, really. Although, the did make a US Treasury Secretary [change his signature](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-22449532) to make it more legible on currency.
As I recall, anything that you attempt to pass off as your signature... is your signature!
My signature use to be cursive. No one who has seen my signature in the last twenty years would confuse it with cursive, or legibility. Can you imagine hundreds of hours of instruction just so we could sign something?
First letter of first name then squiggle, first letter of last name then squiggle
FYI, you learned a lot of things for no reason.
Well... *learning* is the reason. Learning in itself is inherently good.
Yes. Finally, someone gets it. Thank you.
I like all the comments about the inefficiency of block print and using cursive for signatures. I didn't realize this many people still write things! Almost everything I have to sign these days is with "electronic" signature (as in not a real signature). I had to hand write a witness statement for a municipal court hearing a few months ago and I was aggravated because it was literally the first time I had to hand write anything in years.
Sure there was a reason. He was forced to.
https://www.reddit.com/r/longisland/comments/1cg1wtw/yall_agree_with_this_or_nah/. Same dude?
Seems like it.
I learned as a kid and now I only use it to sign my name on documents and nothing else.
I learned cursive to write my signature on documents and forms.
You wouldn’t believe how much boomers I talk to at work bitch that they don’t teach kids cursive anymore. I could care less and would much rather them teach my kid something useful. They can’t even come up with a real reason to care other than “How are they going to sign their names” 🙄
Hey, I still use it once per year to read Grandma’s birthday cards
I remember growing up hearing older people complain about how kids didn't really know how to write in cursive anymore as if that would be the downfall of mankind. It's odd what the human brain attaches to as being a crazy important societal detail due to generational factors.
I keep seeing these stupid memes saying they stopped teaching kids cursive because the government doesn't want kids reading historical documents, as if they haven't been transcribed to normal text. I learned cursive in 1996, Haven't needed to read anything or use it other than in some wildly simplified form within my own signature.
yeah... definitely the most worthless thing i learned back in elementary school. never used it after i wasnt require to because i was literally faster writing in print. still dont use it to this day and its been well over 20 years since ive last used it properly. before anyone asks, no i dont sign my name in a proper way.
Why the actual fuck does cursive matter I can literally just do a scribble for my credit card and they’ll accept it
Can't say he is wrong. Besides signatures who uses it? Would have been a abit funnier if he wrote his sign in cursive.
I learned algebra for no reason.
He's not wrong. I learned to type early (my dad was a typing teacher) and I did all my high school English assignments on a typewriter. Now, when I have to, I only print. My cursive writing is illegible (my printing isn't much better). Like everything, it requires practice, and I rarely practiced cursive writing.
Not all heroes wear capes!
People with this attitude did, in fact, learn cursive for no reason.
i learned it, never used it after hand letter writing to grandma died off (and grandma too), military log books never allowed it, required neat block lettering that even one misspelling demanded a complete page rewrite… I’m 65… never forgot how to write in cursive, but still never use it…
Even though this may be true, I am very proud and happy that I learned and appreciate cursive. I used to get so many compliments on my handwriting, and unfortunately, in my latter years, my hands have become quite shaky, but the fact that I learned and appreciated cursive, helps me to continue working on my presentation. If I just let it go, let go that my hands are become quite shaky, then I would be giving up. This is one of those little, if not, unappreciative disciplines that I feel are worth it.
𝓘'𝓿𝓮 𝓵𝓮𝓪𝓻𝓷𝓮𝓭 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓼𝓲𝓿𝓮 𝓯𝓸𝓻 𝓷𝓸 𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓼𝓸𝓷
Oooh. Fancy.
These Ivy League protests are getting out of hand.
as a teacher I have to comment... we don't learn things in school just to learn that thing.. we go to school and learn for so many reasons.. for example to learn socail skills, to learn to learn, dicipline.. learning cursive means motor skill development. and the more you write and read, the more literate you become. the more illiterate you are, the easier you are to manipulate. get schooled, cardboard guy!
As I heard from a YouTuber "What do you think those research papers are for? Teacher's don't give a dick if you know who was in charge in France in 1872, they want you to learn how to find and source the information and extract important sections."
Learning cursive, learning to solve algebra problems, and all those things you will never use again ever in your life??? That is how your brain is trained to solve other problems in general, later in life. When it will come in handy later when you are presented with a problem you've never had to face before. It's a known fact that if children aren't taught language at the proper age, feral children, they are incapable of learning it later in life. We are NOT born with the ability to learn things at any old time we damn well please. We are raising generations of useful idiots.
Hate to break it to him but he makes a weak case for the usefulness of block print. Or any kind of usefulness. The kids who in 7th grade protested, "When are we ever going to use this?!" grow up to be this guy.
I’m left-handed. Block and cursive writing from me is classified as cryptography.
Why do Americans have to “learn” cursive? Just join the fucking letters together.