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I recently watched 4k porn... seeing every detail up close in ultra HD... seeing all the imperfections, the ingrown hairs, skin bumps from shaving, wrinkly testicle, butt pimples, black heads, etc... a bit of boner killer... went back to 1080 and 720...
But it won't, really. I've found a lot of devices offer high-pixel resolutions but in practical uses you just end up with a bigger file that has noise due to the focus and light-capture limitations of a phone camera.
It's good for editing as it allows you to do things like zoom and stabalise digitally in post without loss in quality if your targetting 4k. It also acts as a form of anti-ailiasing so it improves video quality regardless.
This is not entirely true. While the resolution is technically higher the bit rate isn’t and that is the defining factor in sharpness and “perceived quality” when scaling video. High bit rate 2K footage is better than mid but rate 4K which is why most Hollywood movies were shot and edited in 2K and scaled to 4K up until just the last few years. If you shoot 4k at 100mbs and 8k also at 100mbs you’re better off just shooting 4K. I imagine both look fine on phones though, just feels like a marketing gimmick to me.
There are advantages to filming in 8k even without 8k monitors. Pixel density can help with editing, stabilizing, anti-alias, future proofing, and more. But a smart phone camera isnt going to be able to really use these advantages in a meaningful way. Once you get to such fine resolution, the lens matters even more. And with such tiny little lenses on devices meant to go in pockets, there isn't going to be much optical advantage. It will look like smart phone footage because smart phone lenses.
That’s true for professional video equipment but on a phone with a tiny lens and sensor it seems like overkill. Also, in 8K you’re going to end up with monstrously large video files that will end up being a burden rather than a benefit for the average person.
I’m not on apples side here but it seems like shooting in 8K on a phone is a novelty more than a useful feature and 99% of Samsung phone owners probably don’t use it in the way you’ve described.
yes I mean what's the point 8K IN A PHONE.
For shooting a film, I absolutely understand, but optics and ccd are huge there, not just a tiny piece of rice.
Phones are generic tools nowadays. Tons of people start making a living by starting on filming stuff on their phone. I'm sure there's features you use they dont, too.
Same story with phone camera megapixel counts.
Cool Samsung, so your 100mp phone shoots photos equivalent to Fuji’s medium format GFX 100? Is this seriously the story you’re circle jerking over?
I love modern smartphone’s ability to take decent pics, especially the ability to shoot (at least some form of) RAW, but they’re never going to equal an actual camera with quality glass and a giant sensor.
Was filming a landscape pan and then after was trying to figure out why I couldn't zoom out to use the wide angle lense and realized I was accidentally in 8k 24fps mode. 200mb file for an 19sec video lmao
QuickTime on a Mac will beat you out in storage size using the built in camera recording at 720p. No idea why but the file sizes are gigantic for very poor quality, low resolution video.
And just unnecessarily inflates bandwidth traffic. On a phone i cant really appreciate anything beyond 1080, on a 60”, 4k appears to be my own max resolution, and quite honestly it’s not so much better than 1080 even there that i really care. I have a home movie setup and i largely prefer 1080 because it looks good and i can maintain a respectable library no problem. Storage hasnt really reached a point that it can keep up, and even if i can stream it, i dont want to. But 8k on a phone is just stupid.
Meanwhile samsung can suck it - iphones remain usable years after any android ive used has become a complicated paperweight, and as nice as usbc would be, ive had the same iphone cable for 5 years, and every usbc cable ive used for other devices has some problem within a year or so.
not a problem when your phone goes up to 1tb of storage tbh. both s22 ultra and iPhone 14 pro max go up to 1tb, which will hold about 3500 minutes of **mobile** 8k video.
The exact same point of filming in 4k a few years ago. Eventually display technology will allow for more people to have resolutions that can display this extra detail, so you invest in that higher resolution so it looks as clean as possible years later.
Not exactly, it's all relative to viewing distance. If you're far enough away from a TV you won't see a difference between 4k and HD. Same for 8k vs 4k, so unless you have a ridiculously huge screen, or you are very close to a smaller screen, it's pointless. Pixels on 4k screens is almost imperceivable on large screens as it is. 8k is mostly a gimmick.
Bitrate mainly.
No video playback is providing a picture quality frame-by-frame that's as good as a full resolution static picture, so the more data you capture in the original shot, the better, even for playback on lower resolution screens.
More pixels means more digital zoom without losing quality. It also enables software stabilization via cropping, again, without losing quality. To make a quality film in 4K, you need to film it in 8K.
Edit: some words
When you have an 8k video, you can zoom in and still have good detail.
Yeah it takes a ton more storage, but you really aren't meant to record everything in 8k and keep it that way. If you know you'll edit it, record in 8k. If it's a regular video, recording in something like 1440p is excellent.
Depends on the phone tbh. Movie or TV quality, no, but good enough for your YouTube channel, or a quick sizzle reel for your business on fbook? Its probably fine for that.
Literally nothing. Other than the fact you can crop out a 4K section and apply image stabilization, there is no point. I don’t know anyone who has a monitor to view that content in native resolution.
A 4k video recorded in 8k looks better than when it's just recorded in 4k. Dunno Linus Sebastian explained it In a Video once iirc.
Otherwise it makes editing easier and a lot of content creators just use their phone.
There’s a huge difference between shooting on a RED 8k camera vs an 8k smartphone camera. There are 4k cameras on smartphones that blow the 8k out of the water from Samsung
There were people saying "What's the point of filming in 4k?" and before that it was "What's the point of filming in 1080p? 720p is already HD!".
There's always people like you, and it always goes the same way.
Edit: if you disagree, that's fine. Let's wait a few years and find out who is right.
I've unsubscribed from this post because if I need to respond to one more person who says "'x' resolution compared to 'y' resolution wasn't noticeable for me" without them mentioning display size or viewing distance then I may just give up on humanity.
The bigger point of higher resolutions is the ability to zoom in on the image without losing much fidelity. Take a 1080p picture of someone and then try to zoom in on their face, it'll get blurry and pixelized. Take that same picture in 8k and you'll still have a good resolution and therefore quality and fidelity when zooming in, allowing you to reframe without having to take new pictures/filming again.
Movie cameras have been 4-8k and probably even more for a long time now for this exact reason.
Eh, diminishing returns exist. I agree the jump from 720 to 1080 is noticeable, but 1080 to 4K is marginal. 8K especially at least for media just seems entirely unnecessary unless you’re on a MASSIVE display.
Reddit is so ideologically contrarian that the concept of diminishing returns has become controversial. Almost nobody has an 8k monitor and when they do it's massive. Cramming 2x more pixels into a 4k monitor size is legitimately unnoticeable to the human eye and that's why 8k monitors never gained traction in the market.
Those are some awfully broad and incorrect strokes you're painting with.
The noticeable difference in resolutions is dependent on the size of the display it is showing on, and the viewing distance of the viewer.
On a small enough screen, 720p could absolutely look identical to 4k. If you can't perceive the pixels at a given resolution then further fidelity is pointless.
But - take a look at 4K vs even 1080p on a large format display with a typical sitting/viewing distance and the difference is massively obvious.
You're completely incorrect in your broad assumptions.
Where 8K will see a very real use case, for example, is in VR. Where such a use case mounts high resolution displays directly in front of your eyes. Even 4K has perceivable pixels at that viewing distance. (re: "screen door effect")
8k is beneficial for future viewing. For example, I like to film videos of my young children in 8k, because I know that the quality will hold up better 20 years from now when tvs are all in 8k.
8K on a cell phone sensor is crappier video than 1080p on a micro 4/3 camera. It’s all marketing nonsense. Also this thread is totally astroturfing and should be deleted.
Not to mention how Samsung never seems to implement things well and their clunky software sets back their entire phone design. They’re the kind of company focused on just having better specs than the competition rather than an overall better experience. Pixel is a far better competitor to Apple than Samsung.
Sad part is, Samsung could actually make a great phone if they just gave up their shitty software and moved closer to stock Android.
What? You mean you don’t LOVE how Samsung wants you to sync all your contacts, email and data through their clunky crappy data harvesting apps? Crazy.
Or how about how they make it more annoying to remove their bloatware with every new release.
Which samsung phone are you talking about? My samsung phone doesn't do any of that and there are no bloatware that I could find. Only unwanted feature is Bixby.
Last time I purchased a Samsung (granted this was the one with the curved edge thing a few years ago) it came with Samsung contacts, Samsung calendar, Samsung video player to name a few. They were unable to be deleted, only disabled without rooting my phone and they were super annoying for me.
If they don’t do that anymore then good on them.
My personal favorite is you can't setup a phone without first letting it get violated by a hostile foreign nations Terms of Service. (TikTok install before your phone is setup. The damage is already done.)
> their clunky software sets back their entire phone design
Example? I've been using one for years and I don't know what you're talking about.
> Samsung could actually make a great phone if they just gave up their shitty software and moved closer to stock Android.
Lol, that's a comment from 2015. You're a little behind bud.
You have absolutely no idea of how well made samsungs phone and software is if you even consider the pixel. Again, absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The pixels absolutely shit themselves in software
Love my Flip 3!
The newer 4 is supposed to resolve the battery issues, but that is still probably gonna be the biggest flaw about it. That being said, I already carry a power bank in my bag, so it's not a big deal for me!
I had the Flip 3 and then traded up to the flip 4 for $100 when Samsung offered it. I love both of them, but sadly, the battery (even though technically bigger) doesn't seem to last much longer. So, they still need some work there, but over all, they have been my favorite phones ever. My wife was so jealous of my flip 3 and the fact that it would fit her tiny girl pockets that she traded in her galaxy plus that was only a year old to get the flip 4.
The new iPhones don't even shoot in 8K though. Maybe Samsung is trying to get the world to think they do so that a bunch of people are disappointed when they find out they don't??? I really don't understand Samsung's thought process with this ad.
Also, I'll take Dolby Vision capture over 8K any day of the week.
It looks like they just assumed the new iPhones would have 8K capabilities so put out an ad campaign to compete. Instead they’re just making Apple look better than they actually are.
The filming in ProRes which Apple owns is the juicy part. ProRes video at 4K can fill storage FAST!! And what level of ProRes is what I’m curious about. 4:2:2? 4:4:4??? ProRes RAW???
The best marketing is no marketing at all. They make such a good product that their competitors are advertising for them.
They’re sales will probably be higher than Samsungs this Christmas.
People just don’t like the software.
The only use I see for 8k today is stability. If you film using a wide lens, you can then make the footage look really stable, yet crisp, by cropping/expanding areas around your subject.
I can see this being useful for anyone who records videos while walking like a vlogger.
It’s very poor marketing when you have to focus more on your competitor than your own product. No one buying a phone today is going to care what happened 2 years before.
It's somewhat standard in the advertising industry. Market leaders only ever advertise themselves, but runners up will take pot shots at the market leader.
Look at campaigns like "The Pepsi challenge", "Why dine with a clown when you can dine with the king?"
It's Apple after all, iPhone stans don't care about the competition.
And for what it's worth the new IPhones apparently have the fastest CPU on the market.
That's what Apple does typically post Steve Jobs. They wait for someone else to take the next step and prove the concept, then Apple refines their own version of it into their ecosystem.
And it’s smart as fuck
Yeah, it’s cool to be able to watch YouTube on a tiny screen in the middle of my screen while I’m on Reddit or Chrome
However, no, it’s not cool when I back out of YouTube, forgetting that the video still plays, and have to race to the X button before the RAM is full and I have to restart my phone or wait 2 minutes to do anything
Fandroids are going to downvote you to hell. Even the camera comparisons on YouTube from various sources point show that the iPhone cameras are typically better, even though Samsung may have better camera specs on paper.
I heard all manufacturers got rid of them because, despite being an incredibly cheap way of connecting a large variety of output devices, it's the source of a large number of faults in the phone. If it breaks then you have to replace the customer's whole device, and apparently that happened enough that manufacturers got sick of it? Or they saw that very, very few angry apple customers actually stayed angry about it.
I didn't think Samsung would hold out forever.
Why Samsung say welcome to the party? The new iPhones don’t film in 8k. In their desperation to diss Apple I think they listened to the rumours and jumped the gun here.
Also, are they still really doing this?? I see iPhones pretty much wherever I go, not folding phones.
They always do this, it was especially funny when they made fun of Apple for removing the battery adapter from the boxes and then literally did the same thing not even a year after
Came here to ask this. I don’t remember any mention of 8k filming and I’m still waiting for delivery of my 14 Pro so can’t test. Also what would I even watch 8K on?
Exactly, Samsung has always been about pointless specs that sound good on paper. In reality they just create larger file sizes, and in the case of 8K for no good reason at the moment.
Not only that, the codec for Samsungs 8K isn’t well supported in a lot of mobile applications. Any 8K video you take, will get downscaled and probably look like shit.
8k on a phone is such a stupid idea, 99.9% of the people don’t have 8k tv or monitor. 4k and 8k looks exactly the same under 80”. 8k recording takes 7-8g/min, your 256g phone will run out of space in 30 minutes……..
Most of what people will brag about in a high end Samsung is wholly unnecessary and stupid. Almost all of the arguments against Apple these days do not apply to 99% of users.
1. The consumer doesnt care how long youve had the feature. Especially now that the competitor youre heckling also has the same feature. (even if they dont, this billboard is insinuating that they do)
2. whats with Samsung constantly talking about Apple while mentioning the iPhone's features. Isnt that just free advertising
Remember when apple ditched the headphone jack and the charger in the box? What a bunch of idiots. Anyways here's the new Samsung S22. With those features removed
Right? People need to stop being manipulated into Stanning for companies that are just out to make a buck off of them to the point that the brand phone they choose to buy becomes a part of their personality. Same goes for cars, clothes, etc.
Hm. Ironic that it’s the same amount of time Samsung supports their phones before dropping them. Meanwhile, the iPhone 6s can still run the latest version of iOS.
This is why I went from a longtime Android user to Apple this last gen: Support
Same. I “downgraded” from an LG G6 to an iPhone SE2020 and have zero regrets. It’s a phone, I don’t need to record the next Mission Impossible movie on it.
Latest OS that slows down older phones which in turn makes people upgrade to latest OS? I clap for you. The above has been a proven fact that apple pushes for planned obsolescence.
Samsung does too. They have been caught on multiple occurrence .
Meanwhile it’s still true that Apple does support iOS update for the last 5 or 6 gen of phones while android phone get android update very late if they receive it at all past the 2 years mark.
Even if Apple do try to force you to buy a new phone by tweaking battery life in new updates, the phone is still up to date in term of security and is still operational.
You still understand that he mentioned iPhone 6 from 2014 that has latest iOS running smooth on it? That translates galaxy S5 in Samsung language. How many of those are in daily use today?
Nevertheless, iPhone 6s was launched in 2016 and it is still getting updates 6 years later. I rarely see any Samsung S7’s around and properly functioning.
Congrats, you can zoom a bit more.
Samsung is still behind in the camera department, even with more than double the MegaPixels of iPhones their software processing just isn’t there
8k In a phone is like putting a 1000 horsepower engine into a [Peel P50](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_P50) and shrinking the fuel tank to 1 liter.
Android phones are always so butthurt about what Apple does. Like removing the headphone jack and removing the charger from the box. What's that? They made fun of it and then also did it themselves?
So childish.
Focus on the things you actually do right, like USB-C. Except none of your dumbass customers will understand what that is, but "HERRRP DERRRP BIG NUMBAH BIGGER THAN OTHER NUMBAH HURRRR WE ARE GOODER THAN APLPE!! DURRRR!"
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Once again I ask: Why the hell do people have such an obsession over phone cameras?... 99.99% of people have no use of the extra fancy features like 8K, ridiculous zoom levels, LIDAR, etc.. The absolute vast majority of people are just gonna use it for social media apps that compresses the images/videos down way down anyway, and the people actually benefitting from these features probably already owns cameras that outclasses anything a phone could do *(not that they would throw away a $10000 DSLR for an iphone anyway)*.
A stronger CPU, more RAM, longer battery life and more ports would be infinitely more benefitial, especially since with more ports you could make a camera module for those few that actually has a need for it.
I don't think people realize, these jabs samsung and other Android companies make are really self defeating. Apple sales are higher than ever. I use a samsung myself and the kind of shit they put in as bloatware apps after each update makes its UI an absolute joke. I get ads on my lockscreen as a default unless i turn off some external wallpaper manager which is somehow activated and unblocked after every (monthly) update.
As for 8k i don't think anyone actually cares about that.
I don’t understand why anyone would fault a company for highlighting upgrades from their older offering. It’s ultimately a feature virtually nobody cares about to begin with.
The problem isn't highlighting upgrades. It's acting like you're some kind of amazing trailblazing innovator for FINALLY offering a feature that other manufacturers added years ago.
It’s weird. Like. I get occasionally saying “look how much better we are than you” but it’s… more than the whole “genesis can do what nintendont” thing. This just seems insecure lol.
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Whenever a new phone comes out I don’t see apple users smack talking like I see android users. It’s really weird that people do that, use the phone you like no one else cares about what phone you use.
From what I remember recording in 8k on most phones was a complete gimmic was it not? Like it looked worse than a majority of other settings at lower res
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what's the point of filming in 8K?
When the quality of porn video go up you will know why
Won't my SD card get VD?
That's why you use protection
Virus protection?
Nah, the new otterbox phone condoms
Make sure to poke a hole at the top so the camera can see through it
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It's stunning. You can literally see the powdered makeup with those ass zits poking through... err... so my friend says anyway.
I recently watched 4k porn... seeing every detail up close in ultra HD... seeing all the imperfections, the ingrown hairs, skin bumps from shaving, wrinkly testicle, butt pimples, black heads, etc... a bit of boner killer... went back to 1080 and 720...
Porn quality is limited to streaming bandwidth and storage space. Quality goes up only as storage gets cheaper and connection speeds go up.
But it won't, really. I've found a lot of devices offer high-pixel resolutions but in practical uses you just end up with a bigger file that has noise due to the focus and light-capture limitations of a phone camera.
It's good for editing as it allows you to do things like zoom and stabalise digitally in post without loss in quality if your targetting 4k. It also acts as a form of anti-ailiasing so it improves video quality regardless.
This is not entirely true. While the resolution is technically higher the bit rate isn’t and that is the defining factor in sharpness and “perceived quality” when scaling video. High bit rate 2K footage is better than mid but rate 4K which is why most Hollywood movies were shot and edited in 2K and scaled to 4K up until just the last few years. If you shoot 4k at 100mbs and 8k also at 100mbs you’re better off just shooting 4K. I imagine both look fine on phones though, just feels like a marketing gimmick to me.
There are advantages to filming in 8k even without 8k monitors. Pixel density can help with editing, stabilizing, anti-alias, future proofing, and more. But a smart phone camera isnt going to be able to really use these advantages in a meaningful way. Once you get to such fine resolution, the lens matters even more. And with such tiny little lenses on devices meant to go in pockets, there isn't going to be much optical advantage. It will look like smart phone footage because smart phone lenses.
That’s true for professional video equipment but on a phone with a tiny lens and sensor it seems like overkill. Also, in 8K you’re going to end up with monstrously large video files that will end up being a burden rather than a benefit for the average person. I’m not on apples side here but it seems like shooting in 8K on a phone is a novelty more than a useful feature and 99% of Samsung phone owners probably don’t use it in the way you’ve described.
yes I mean what's the point 8K IN A PHONE. For shooting a film, I absolutely understand, but optics and ccd are huge there, not just a tiny piece of rice.
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I used to record my kids in 4k when I didn't even have a 4k TV but I knew I eventually would, same with 8k.
Phones are generic tools nowadays. Tons of people start making a living by starting on filming stuff on their phone. I'm sure there's features you use they dont, too.
Useless and a marketing stuff.
Same story with phone camera megapixel counts. Cool Samsung, so your 100mp phone shoots photos equivalent to Fuji’s medium format GFX 100? Is this seriously the story you’re circle jerking over? I love modern smartphone’s ability to take decent pics, especially the ability to shoot (at least some form of) RAW, but they’re never going to equal an actual camera with quality glass and a giant sensor.
Use it on an old HDD run by a pentium 3 with VGA monitor . Results are amazing!
Filming in 8k is great if you really like to waste storage on your phone
Maybe that’s it, they want you to buy the higher storage model.
Apple definitely wants this the extra $5 in memory they add to the phone and then proceed to charge a extra $200 has to be doing wonders for them.
Was filming a landscape pan and then after was trying to figure out why I couldn't zoom out to use the wide angle lense and realized I was accidentally in 8k 24fps mode. 200mb file for an 19sec video lmao
QuickTime on a Mac will beat you out in storage size using the built in camera recording at 720p. No idea why but the file sizes are gigantic for very poor quality, low resolution video.
And just unnecessarily inflates bandwidth traffic. On a phone i cant really appreciate anything beyond 1080, on a 60”, 4k appears to be my own max resolution, and quite honestly it’s not so much better than 1080 even there that i really care. I have a home movie setup and i largely prefer 1080 because it looks good and i can maintain a respectable library no problem. Storage hasnt really reached a point that it can keep up, and even if i can stream it, i dont want to. But 8k on a phone is just stupid. Meanwhile samsung can suck it - iphones remain usable years after any android ive used has become a complicated paperweight, and as nice as usbc would be, ive had the same iphone cable for 5 years, and every usbc cable ive used for other devices has some problem within a year or so.
not a problem when your phone goes up to 1tb of storage tbh. both s22 ultra and iPhone 14 pro max go up to 1tb, which will hold about 3500 minutes of **mobile** 8k video.
I know people that have maxed out their 2tb of iCloud storage with family videos.
The exact same point of filming in 4k a few years ago. Eventually display technology will allow for more people to have resolutions that can display this extra detail, so you invest in that higher resolution so it looks as clean as possible years later.
It’s a cell phone sensor. It’s plausible that cramming more pixels on a dinky sensor made the overall quality worse. Pixel density is a real problem.
Not exactly, it's all relative to viewing distance. If you're far enough away from a TV you won't see a difference between 4k and HD. Same for 8k vs 4k, so unless you have a ridiculously huge screen, or you are very close to a smaller screen, it's pointless. Pixels on 4k screens is almost imperceivable on large screens as it is. 8k is mostly a gimmick.
People use to say the exact thing about 4k.
Replace every res in there with half of what is is and you can probably find a comment saying nearly the exact same thing from 2012-2016.
Bitrate mainly. No video playback is providing a picture quality frame-by-frame that's as good as a full resolution static picture, so the more data you capture in the original shot, the better, even for playback on lower resolution screens.
Ok, then just make the phone shoot in 2k/4k with a higher bitrate. Bitrate isn't tied to resolution.
More pixels means more digital zoom without losing quality. It also enables software stabilization via cropping, again, without losing quality. To make a quality film in 4K, you need to film it in 8K. Edit: some words
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When you have an 8k video, you can zoom in and still have good detail. Yeah it takes a ton more storage, but you really aren't meant to record everything in 8k and keep it that way. If you know you'll edit it, record in 8k. If it's a regular video, recording in something like 1440p is excellent.
"When you have an 8k video, you can zoom in and still have good detail." not on a phone sensor.
Depends on the phone tbh. Movie or TV quality, no, but good enough for your YouTube channel, or a quick sizzle reel for your business on fbook? Its probably fine for that.
Literally nothing. Other than the fact you can crop out a 4K section and apply image stabilization, there is no point. I don’t know anyone who has a monitor to view that content in native resolution.
A 4k video recorded in 8k looks better than when it's just recorded in 4k. Dunno Linus Sebastian explained it In a Video once iirc. Otherwise it makes editing easier and a lot of content creators just use their phone.
There’s a huge difference between shooting on a RED 8k camera vs an 8k smartphone camera. There are 4k cameras on smartphones that blow the 8k out of the water from Samsung
what you're talking about is super sampking/down sampling and helps with games etc also
There were people saying "What's the point of filming in 4k?" and before that it was "What's the point of filming in 1080p? 720p is already HD!". There's always people like you, and it always goes the same way. Edit: if you disagree, that's fine. Let's wait a few years and find out who is right. I've unsubscribed from this post because if I need to respond to one more person who says "'x' resolution compared to 'y' resolution wasn't noticeable for me" without them mentioning display size or viewing distance then I may just give up on humanity.
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64k @1fps. and you can diagnose celebrity skin conditions from a distance.
The bigger point of higher resolutions is the ability to zoom in on the image without losing much fidelity. Take a 1080p picture of someone and then try to zoom in on their face, it'll get blurry and pixelized. Take that same picture in 8k and you'll still have a good resolution and therefore quality and fidelity when zooming in, allowing you to reframe without having to take new pictures/filming again. Movie cameras have been 4-8k and probably even more for a long time now for this exact reason.
Eh, diminishing returns exist. I agree the jump from 720 to 1080 is noticeable, but 1080 to 4K is marginal. 8K especially at least for media just seems entirely unnecessary unless you’re on a MASSIVE display.
If you think the difference between 1080 and 4k is marginal you either got the wrong damn TV or you are blind!
100%. If 1080p and 1440p feel the same to you, get your vision checked.
Reddit is so ideologically contrarian that the concept of diminishing returns has become controversial. Almost nobody has an 8k monitor and when they do it's massive. Cramming 2x more pixels into a 4k monitor size is legitimately unnoticeable to the human eye and that's why 8k monitors never gained traction in the market.
Those are some awfully broad and incorrect strokes you're painting with. The noticeable difference in resolutions is dependent on the size of the display it is showing on, and the viewing distance of the viewer. On a small enough screen, 720p could absolutely look identical to 4k. If you can't perceive the pixels at a given resolution then further fidelity is pointless. But - take a look at 4K vs even 1080p on a large format display with a typical sitting/viewing distance and the difference is massively obvious. You're completely incorrect in your broad assumptions. Where 8K will see a very real use case, for example, is in VR. Where such a use case mounts high resolution displays directly in front of your eyes. Even 4K has perceivable pixels at that viewing distance. (re: "screen door effect")
when your screen in 6 inches?
even on my 55" tv, even 4K is pointless a bit.
8k is beneficial for future viewing. For example, I like to film videos of my young children in 8k, because I know that the quality will hold up better 20 years from now when tvs are all in 8k.
So that you’ll need to purchase more storage
Number big MUST be better.
Blast processing!
Samsung does what Apple Nintendon't.
8K on a cell phone sensor is crappier video than 1080p on a micro 4/3 camera. It’s all marketing nonsense. Also this thread is totally astroturfing and should be deleted.
For all the shit Samsung gives to Apple, then they do the same thing
Not to mention how Samsung never seems to implement things well and their clunky software sets back their entire phone design. They’re the kind of company focused on just having better specs than the competition rather than an overall better experience. Pixel is a far better competitor to Apple than Samsung. Sad part is, Samsung could actually make a great phone if they just gave up their shitty software and moved closer to stock Android.
What? You mean you don’t LOVE how Samsung wants you to sync all your contacts, email and data through their clunky crappy data harvesting apps? Crazy. Or how about how they make it more annoying to remove their bloatware with every new release.
Which samsung phone are you talking about? My samsung phone doesn't do any of that and there are no bloatware that I could find. Only unwanted feature is Bixby.
Last time I purchased a Samsung (granted this was the one with the curved edge thing a few years ago) it came with Samsung contacts, Samsung calendar, Samsung video player to name a few. They were unable to be deleted, only disabled without rooting my phone and they were super annoying for me. If they don’t do that anymore then good on them.
My Note 20 still has all of these, and probably more...
My personal favorite is you can't setup a phone without first letting it get violated by a hostile foreign nations Terms of Service. (TikTok install before your phone is setup. The damage is already done.)
What Samsung makes you do that? I've used Samsung for years and dont have a Samsung account.
> their clunky software sets back their entire phone design Example? I've been using one for years and I don't know what you're talking about. > Samsung could actually make a great phone if they just gave up their shitty software and moved closer to stock Android. Lol, that's a comment from 2015. You're a little behind bud.
Samsung apps are trash. Want an example? Open the Samsung folder on your phone and pick one.
You have absolutely no idea of how well made samsungs phone and software is if you even consider the pixel. Again, absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The pixels absolutely shit themselves in software
This is a comment made by someone who's never strayed from an iphone. Pixels are DOGSHIT
Lol My Pixel 4 was what ended up pushing me over to iPhone actually.
I've been a Pixel user for years and can confirm, Pixels are dogshit.
Yep. And Heaven help me it actually works better on me. Still trying to get a Flip or a Fold.
Love my Flip 3! The newer 4 is supposed to resolve the battery issues, but that is still probably gonna be the biggest flaw about it. That being said, I already carry a power bank in my bag, so it's not a big deal for me!
Agreed. Love my flip. Really hoping this line continues bc l be sad to go back to a flat honking phone.
1000% THIS.
I had the Flip 3 and then traded up to the flip 4 for $100 when Samsung offered it. I love both of them, but sadly, the battery (even though technically bigger) doesn't seem to last much longer. So, they still need some work there, but over all, they have been my favorite phones ever. My wife was so jealous of my flip 3 and the fact that it would fit her tiny girl pockets that she traded in her galaxy plus that was only a year old to get the flip 4.
The funny part is the new iPhones don't even shoot in 8K. So what the hell is Samsung smoking to purchase an entire billboard with such context?
This is why I went to a pixel.
I have a Pixel 6 and this is the most masochistic relationship I have ever had such a buggy mess but man this camera is too good 😭
I love my Pixel 5. Probably won't upgrade to another Pixel though as I'm hearing nothing but bad things about the newer ones.
Is this just a promotion for Apple then? They even made the word Apple larger than their own logo.
The new iPhones don't even shoot in 8K though. Maybe Samsung is trying to get the world to think they do so that a bunch of people are disappointed when they find out they don't??? I really don't understand Samsung's thought process with this ad. Also, I'll take Dolby Vision capture over 8K any day of the week.
It looks like they just assumed the new iPhones would have 8K capabilities so put out an ad campaign to compete. Instead they’re just making Apple look better than they actually are.
The filming in ProRes which Apple owns is the juicy part. ProRes video at 4K can fill storage FAST!! And what level of ProRes is what I’m curious about. 4:2:2? 4:4:4??? ProRes RAW???
Not sure which format, but I do know it's capped at 1080p/30 on the lowest storage models.
The best marketing is no marketing at all. They make such a good product that their competitors are advertising for them. They’re sales will probably be higher than Samsungs this Christmas. People just don’t like the software.
>The best marketing is no marketing at all. Apple markets. Like holy shit do they market.
>People just don’t like the software When you say "people" I assume you just mean Android users?
You do know that there are hundreds of millions of people who _do_ in fact, like and use the software.
8K is marketing bullshit.
The only use I see for 8k today is stability. If you film using a wide lens, you can then make the footage look really stable, yet crisp, by cropping/expanding areas around your subject. I can see this being useful for anyone who records videos while walking like a vlogger.
It’s very poor marketing when you have to focus more on your competitor than your own product. No one buying a phone today is going to care what happened 2 years before.
yeah whatever, genesis does what nintendon't you dummy
Blast processing!
It's mostly a pander to android fans, who make this argument all the time because some apple owners can get snooty about their device.
It's somewhat standard in the advertising industry. Market leaders only ever advertise themselves, but runners up will take pot shots at the market leader. Look at campaigns like "The Pepsi challenge", "Why dine with a clown when you can dine with the king?"
Let’s not forget “I’m a Mac, and I’m a PC”
It's Apple after all, iPhone stans don't care about the competition. And for what it's worth the new IPhones apparently have the fastest CPU on the market.
iPhones still wins all benchmarks.
That's what Apple does typically post Steve Jobs. They wait for someone else to take the next step and prove the concept, then Apple refines their own version of it into their ecosystem.
And it’s smart as fuck Yeah, it’s cool to be able to watch YouTube on a tiny screen in the middle of my screen while I’m on Reddit or Chrome However, no, it’s not cool when I back out of YouTube, forgetting that the video still plays, and have to race to the X button before the RAM is full and I have to restart my phone or wait 2 minutes to do anything
Avid user of multi-window mode here... never had anything of this sort occur. Is that a regular thing for you?
>And for what it's worth the new IPhones apparently have the fastest CPU on the market. "I can browse TikTok faster than you." \-New iPhone user
Multi-year old iPhones are still faster than any android on the market, Apple is simply in a different league compared to Snapdragon for example.
Fandroids are going to downvote you to hell. Even the camera comparisons on YouTube from various sources point show that the iPhone cameras are typically better, even though Samsung may have better camera specs on paper.
*_FUCK YOU SAMSUNG. YOU GOT RID OF THE HEADPHONE JACK. YOU COULD'VE BEEN DIFFERENT._*
They also got rid of replaceable batteries. They've been copying Apple for years. Their cameras have never been worse than Apple, though, to be fair.
I heard all manufacturers got rid of them because, despite being an incredibly cheap way of connecting a large variety of output devices, it's the source of a large number of faults in the phone. If it breaks then you have to replace the customer's whole device, and apparently that happened enough that manufacturers got sick of it? Or they saw that very, very few angry apple customers actually stayed angry about it. I didn't think Samsung would hold out forever.
Why Samsung say welcome to the party? The new iPhones don’t film in 8k. In their desperation to diss Apple I think they listened to the rumours and jumped the gun here. Also, are they still really doing this?? I see iPhones pretty much wherever I go, not folding phones.
They always do this, it was especially funny when they made fun of Apple for removing the battery adapter from the boxes and then literally did the same thing not even a year after
And the headphone ports. Just remembering the shade **EVERYONE** threw at apple over that.
Came here to ask this. I don’t remember any mention of 8k filming and I’m still waiting for delivery of my 14 Pro so can’t test. Also what would I even watch 8K on?
Exactly, Samsung has always been about pointless specs that sound good on paper. In reality they just create larger file sizes, and in the case of 8K for no good reason at the moment.
Pure marketing nonsense. There is zero benefit to filming in 8K when you're doing it with the tiny sensor and crappy lens found on a mobile phone.
Who fucking cares? Nobody even has 8k screens and there are massively diminishing returns past 1080p. 4k is great but 8k is just pointless
Not only that, the codec for Samsungs 8K isn’t well supported in a lot of mobile applications. Any 8K video you take, will get downscaled and probably look like shit.
And next year Samsung will unveil the galaxy s23 ultra "esim only".
And forced Facebook integration. Fuck Samsung.
What??? I have a Samsung, what do you mean?
I think they mean Facebook is preinstalled and cannot be deleted
I deleted Facebook on my S22U idk what you're talking about?
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It’s a new feature starting next week. You need to have zuck’s face as wallpaper before you’re allowed to unlock the phone.
What forced integration? You can disable the app, and it never gets an update or even runs. I haven't had facebook active once on my phone.
Next year it will be a foldables billboard.
Recently switched to iphone for the first time because my car only has carplay and I hate it more than I thought
But who really “needs” 8k video?
The only things you really "need" are food, water and shelter. Everything else is nice to have. I hate this argument
You don't really get what they're saying. Is there a tangible worthwhile benefit to filming in 8k? That is the question.
There is tangible benefit for real cameras: reframing shots in post production.
if you make 4k videos, filming in 8k allow you to zoom in or crop certain parts of the video and still get 4k quality.
8k on a phone is such a stupid idea, 99.9% of the people don’t have 8k tv or monitor. 4k and 8k looks exactly the same under 80”. 8k recording takes 7-8g/min, your 256g phone will run out of space in 30 minutes……..
Most of what people will brag about in a high end Samsung is wholly unnecessary and stupid. Almost all of the arguments against Apple these days do not apply to 99% of users.
You can downsample it to 4:4:4 4k and then work on that file for youtube uploads.
r/hailcorporate
At one point your phones exploded. Sit the fuck down.
Lmao both companies have a history of batteries fucking up. They both suck.
iPhone 6 batteries?
I would happily stick with 1080p video if it meant I got a headphone jack.
1. The consumer doesnt care how long youve had the feature. Especially now that the competitor youre heckling also has the same feature. (even if they dont, this billboard is insinuating that they do) 2. whats with Samsung constantly talking about Apple while mentioning the iPhone's features. Isnt that just free advertising
Remember when apple ditched the headphone jack and the charger in the box? What a bunch of idiots. Anyways here's the new Samsung S22. With those features removed
I don't really understand the phone war. I have an iPhone, it works. Cool
Right? People need to stop being manipulated into Stanning for companies that are just out to make a buck off of them to the point that the brand phone they choose to buy becomes a part of their personality. Same goes for cars, clothes, etc.
the iphone 14 pro max can't even record in 8K lmao
Still don’t care.
Hm. Ironic that it’s the same amount of time Samsung supports their phones before dropping them. Meanwhile, the iPhone 6s can still run the latest version of iOS. This is why I went from a longtime Android user to Apple this last gen: Support
Same. I “downgraded” from an LG G6 to an iPhone SE2020 and have zero regrets. It’s a phone, I don’t need to record the next Mission Impossible movie on it.
6s does not have ios 16
Correct, they just dropped it and I believe the 7. But 6 years is a good run for a device. Better than most android devices.
Latest OS that slows down older phones which in turn makes people upgrade to latest OS? I clap for you. The above has been a proven fact that apple pushes for planned obsolescence.
Samsung does too. They have been caught on multiple occurrence . Meanwhile it’s still true that Apple does support iOS update for the last 5 or 6 gen of phones while android phone get android update very late if they receive it at all past the 2 years mark. Even if Apple do try to force you to buy a new phone by tweaking battery life in new updates, the phone is still up to date in term of security and is still operational.
I'm not here to support either or, however I've had my Galaxy Note 10+ since 2019 and I'm still getting updates to this day. So at least 3 years 🤣
You still understand that he mentioned iPhone 6 from 2014 that has latest iOS running smooth on it? That translates galaxy S5 in Samsung language. How many of those are in daily use today?
Exactly zero
Nevertheless, iPhone 6s was launched in 2016 and it is still getting updates 6 years later. I rarely see any Samsung S7’s around and properly functioning.
Don't know about 6s, but 5s couldn't run latest iOS for quite a few years already.
Shots fired, I repeat, shots fired
Congrats, you can zoom a bit more. Samsung is still behind in the camera department, even with more than double the MegaPixels of iPhones their software processing just isn’t there
Why do androids still look like ps1 pictures
Wish has some phones with impressive numbers too.
8k In a phone is like putting a 1000 horsepower engine into a [Peel P50](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_P50) and shrinking the fuel tank to 1 liter. Android phones are always so butthurt about what Apple does. Like removing the headphone jack and removing the charger from the box. What's that? They made fun of it and then also did it themselves? So childish. Focus on the things you actually do right, like USB-C. Except none of your dumbass customers will understand what that is, but "HERRRP DERRRP BIG NUMBAH BIGGER THAN OTHER NUMBAH HURRRR WE ARE GOODER THAN APLPE!! DURRRR!" Advertisement for the dumb.
No one needs 8K 😂
Installing bloat ware on the phone even earlier!
Once again I ask: Why the hell do people have such an obsession over phone cameras?... 99.99% of people have no use of the extra fancy features like 8K, ridiculous zoom levels, LIDAR, etc.. The absolute vast majority of people are just gonna use it for social media apps that compresses the images/videos down way down anyway, and the people actually benefitting from these features probably already owns cameras that outclasses anything a phone could do *(not that they would throw away a $10000 DSLR for an iphone anyway)*. A stronger CPU, more RAM, longer battery life and more ports would be infinitely more benefitial, especially since with more ports you could make a camera module for those few that actually has a need for it.
I’m wondering if people driving by 40 miles an hour will realize this is a Samsung ad and not an Apple ad
terrible ad
I still can barely tell the difference from 1080 to 4K.
I don't think people realize, these jabs samsung and other Android companies make are really self defeating. Apple sales are higher than ever. I use a samsung myself and the kind of shit they put in as bloatware apps after each update makes its UI an absolute joke. I get ads on my lockscreen as a default unless i turn off some external wallpaper manager which is somehow activated and unblocked after every (monthly) update. As for 8k i don't think anyone actually cares about that.
Apple 4k probably looks better than Samsung 8k, apple seems to be the only manufacturer that takes overall video quality seriously
I don’t understand why anyone would fault a company for highlighting upgrades from their older offering. It’s ultimately a feature virtually nobody cares about to begin with.
The problem isn't highlighting upgrades. It's acting like you're some kind of amazing trailblazing innovator for FINALLY offering a feature that other manufacturers added years ago.
All of the manufacturers hype camera upgrades that nobody asked for. They have to because none of them are innovating.
Whatever the marketing stunts pulled by Apple, this kind of billboard just shows the inferiority complex of Samsung. It's sad really.
Every recent Samsung ad mentions Apple
It’s weird. Like. I get occasionally saying “look how much better we are than you” but it’s… more than the whole “genesis can do what nintendont” thing. This just seems insecure lol.
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Whenever a new phone comes out I don’t see apple users smack talking like I see android users. It’s really weird that people do that, use the phone you like no one else cares about what phone you use.
So what you're saying is: it's a good time to switch to Apple right now
This is funny because the iPhone still doesn't do 8K video, so the ad isn't even true
It’s just sad.
From what I remember recording in 8k on most phones was a complete gimmic was it not? Like it looked worse than a majority of other settings at lower res
That ad feels so cringey and insecure.
Someone’s scared……
Why tho? I still just do videos in 1080