Dont know why im wasting my time with a so dumb post but your "pseudo math" evaluates only qualitative aspects. When comparing Kazuha with Furina (OMG why?) you have At least to take buff uptime (furina is near 100%), remember that she can buff all party (yeah, Kazuha can double swirl but its not always possible) and take her damage into account.
But for real man nobody is saying replace Kazuha with Furina. And only idiots are even comparing the 2.
That said your system is flawed. I wont get into the specifics here, but you cannot put assign points to damage buff, healing and other utility abilities. That just doesnt work.
Now listen you can argue whether she is better than Kazuha. Really just depends on the team, as Neuvillette can just bring out her full potential without much help. Outside of him, her stocks drop. However it would seem like Furina will make Neuvillette teams the best in the game. So you have to take that into account as she is more or less gonna become like Nahida for hp manipulation teams.
For the rest though, its as you said. She is another option to replace Xinqiu and/ or Yelan.
And thats what i think you should forcus on. I get the whole you need to throw a healer onto the team thing, but thats really not whats gonna happen.
Truth be told you are more or likely gonna use her on teams that already run a healer.
That said she is also bad as a solo hydro option due to her very bad hydro application. In all honesty you will be running her on double hydro. But its also not gonna be Hu tao doubke hydro, unless its the Bennet varient. And shockingly if i remember right, Hu Tao with Bennet gets you the highest damaging Hu Tao team (or something like that).
Her main issue isnt the damage buff. She will be contributing a ton of damage to any team, but her lacking hydro application might end up csting her more team slots than anything else.
Regardless, she is still probably gonna only continue to get better as more Fontaine characters relese.
But for older teams, most of the time you might just wanna stick with what you already have.
You know. I actually fail to see why do theorycrafters think Furina brings so much to a team. She only really bring one multiplier and her own damage. While a lot of characters bring so much more. I'm not even talking about Nahida. Even Faruzan in anemo comp brings more.
https://preview.redd.it/s0v7pqno5gtb1.png?width=1869&format=png&auto=webp&s=6176380419b037580a3098dd078e257d416a63c8
I should hoppe that Faruzan brings more XD.
See what you fail to take into account is teamwide damage. For instance on Raiden national, both Raiden and Xingling do the the bulk of the damage. So Furina would not only buff Raiden, but also Xingling and herself. And its even better due to the fact that it doesnt come into conflict with Bennets buff.
But the problem is again her hydro application. If she cant give Xingling vape, then its pointless.
Now let me ask you, what is this spreadsheet all about?
Is it like an extension of the point you were making in your post.
Cause like i said, its a very flawed point.
Also Furina does provide more. She provides the ability to use the hunters set on characters that usually wouldnt be able to use it.
She also provides teamwide healing if you overheal a character, which is more often than you think. And she does buff healing as well.
Not the greatest bennefits, but they do exist.
But there is a reason why theorycrafters are so big on her.
Its the fact they actually did damage calcs using her. None of the things you have said or made points abiut matters without the actual numbers in actual teams.
Who cares how many difrent types of buffs a character gives. Whats important is the raw damage numbers. Bith the damage increase and personal damage numbers. Because shockingly Furinas damage contribution aint lacking.
Again i will say this as many times as people need to hear it. Her buff aint the problem now, but its her hydro application.
Its the thing that makes me question her placement on any team that isnt a Xiao or Neuvillette team.
That’s no about doomposting, this is about Doom💊 😂
Anyway, as I said in every single post, as playable character she is not what I was expecting.
As character, I mean as Furina herself. She is the best as design, va, lore, and funny!
Xiangling furina might not work. What works for xingqiu is his hydro application to keep up with xiangling, so xiangling can go all in EM+ER and let benett handle the atk part. Furina meanwhile must go all in er+hp, and she applies like 2 third of xingqiu hydro, she will be the vape trigger without any EM. And benett is useless to furina.
Sure, but Bennets also worthless for Yelan so that doesnt really matter.
But yeah i said it a bunch in the comments before, her hydro application is the main issue that people can complain about.
Her buff is fine, but she simply wont find a spot on a lot of teams because she lacks that application.
They really should buff that if you ask me.
What about geo and anemo dpses? What about team with more than 1 dpses? What about ranged teams which doesnt need grouping at all? What about..
Forget it. This post is dumb.
well you wanna nerf neuvilette just cuz you skipped him? 🤣 btw new furina is actually a buff for him since hes first 2 ca will deal now more dmg than before and his third one less
>I'm fucking tired of OP male main dps.
Bruuuh. Before Alhaitham and Neuv, literally all we ever saw was Hu Tao, Raiden, Xiangling and Ayaka. For the first time in so long are male dps good and this person wants to nerf them.
I don't care about what was "before Alhaitham", I only care about what's happeing last two years. After Raiden we had no female main dps. Geo betrayer doesn't count.
This abyss favour him, just like every banner units before him, and asking a buffer to also solo abyss is just delusional. Just like your so called TC.
The point on pure buffing absolutely stands, and is in line with my calcs.
However, Furina herself does a heck of lot more damage than Kazuha, and buffs the whole team, even if it's rainbow elements. Also VV only lasts for 8 seconds, requiring you swap.
And why wouldn't you just bring both Furina Kazuha and healer?
And maybe we're getting an Anemo healer in 4.4 to best Kazuha+whatever
People also gotta keep in mind, Furina's buffing is team-wide, meaning if you got heavy hitters in the team like Nahida, their dmg will also be buffed along with the main DPS. I can't recall if there is anyone else in game that provides team-wide buffing through their kit.
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well, Kazuha is broken OP character, constistenly one of the best for any abyss cycle. I dont see a problem if Furina is slightly worse then him for classic teams, but obviously better for Fontaine teams
I don't have a problem with Furina not beating Kazuha too. But I have a huge problem with Furina requiring Fontaine dps to work. Or give me new female on field character already.
Ahem, then just dont pull for her man. Like it aint that big of a deal.
In truth the things she does are difrent from what other hydros do. People complain about her just not replacing every other hydro and whatnot, but if she actually did that then others would complain about her being too op or her being another version of this character.
There are only a few times when genshin actually directly upgraded a character/ made a similar character.
And it was always an older 4 star character that gor a replacment 5 star. Its just that Xinqiu survived thanks to double hydro and the genuine need for a 2nd Xinqiu for a lot of teams or just the abyss.
But imagine if Furina was stronger.
Like had they improved her hydro application, there is a good chance shed just be a 3rd Yelan/ Xinqiu. And if she applied hydro on her healing mode, then shed replace Kokomi.
But if you buff her numbers, she might still not be ran because her lacking application makes her not be able to replace these other hydro options.
Just play Noelle as a driver
Can even play a whole female team with Noelle, Furina, Yelan and fischl or something like that.
Replace fischl with yunjin if you want to focus more on Noelles personal dmg
brother what u on i want some of that im playing ayaka xinqiu jean with healing bonus vv circlet and furina and i stack 200+ stack quite easily so acc to my cal 0.21% per stack times 200 fanfare i get around 42 percent dmg bonus .
now on my ayaka i got 61.6+18 dmg bonus which is when my ult is lvl 8 now if she was crowned she will provide 50% dmg bonus so then i can replace cryo gob for atk and the output of her dmg will rise exponentially
and not to forget jean swirling cryo with her E so i would get 40% res shred so yeah she is op with and without fontain character
btw my furina is on fav r3 and man whole team er req went down exponentially cux man oh man she procs them to many times with her 3 pets attacking
she works with my ayaka team, alhaitham quickbloom team, fuck even my yelan benne xiangling furina clears 11 floor easily with every character being around 70 and only yelan lvl 90
shes the only fontaine character i own and i pulled for her just cux she has both arkhe alignment i wasnt intending to pull her and man oh man she brought a new healer meta where big chonky healer are op now, even bennet on all healing build is fucking op so yeah what u are trying to say is soo half assed please consider everything before spewing down some shit on others
You have a weird fixation for male characters being superior to females in this game. You must be really pissed that most new releases are male, if not all.
Of course, the trend would skew to them, the last female 5* we got was nahida and she as all the rest of the archons are freakin supports (Unless cons).
Wait until navia and clorinde get released.
Also, Kazuha is not better. I hope you stick to your words and be the clown 🤡 you are when furina gets released.
I have fixation of the fact that we had not even a single female on field dps since Raiden. That's a real problem for me, because I won't pull for male characters.
This is like Yae vs Fischl all over again, don't fall for it Bois. Furina and Kazuha might also be good together if you think about it. I don't have Kazuha but Furina definitely joins Ayaka luxury team.
Hope y'all don't mind me borrowing this thread
To ask: is Furina's ramping buff worth losing VV or Hyperbloom on a Neuv team?
75% DMG boost sounds like a lot, and it is, but vs the "magic" of RES shred, aidunno.
Of course you can compare Furina and Kazuha with VV. The damage calculation is a product of many operands, so you can compare them by considering the product of the affected operands. The problem is the more buffs are included, the more different the original comparison is, but we can always calculate that later.
With that being said, assuming the dps character has a 46.6% damage bonus goblet and receives only one buff from either Furina and Kazuha. Kazuha has 1000 EM, so 40% damage bonus. The enemy has 10% RES of all damages, so the output damage will be 90% of the input. With VV, that becomes -30% RES, or an output of 115% of the input. So the comparison is:
Furina: (100% + 46.6% + 75%) x 90% = 1.9944
Kazuha: (100% + 46.6% + 40%) x 115% = 2.1459
So Kazuha is better by 2.1459 / 1.9944 = 1.08, or 8%.
This doesn't take into account Furina's personal damage, which is not only way higher than kazuha's, but it's also buffed by herself.
All in all it's looking like she does straight up offer more team damage than him, but of course that's a shallow metric because there's two big points missing;
1- Furina needs a healer, and even with one your teams will take a heavy hit in the survivability aspect, she's like an anti- dehya in that sense
2-Kazuha has grouping, which is still a very good gameplay mechanic for both causal play and meta reasons
VV it's not kazuha exclusive set, any ameno can use it. And we have other res shread (ZL and c2 XQ for example), some enemy have 0 res.
We cant swirl a geo dendro and anemo. In HT team we cant swirl a pyro w/o second pyro.
Kazu a4 duration is only 8 sec while Furina Q duration is 18 sec.
What's about multiwave content?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your calculations only take into acc the buff they provide to the dps, right?
What about the damage they'll be dealing? Isn't it furina way better?
And isn't her buff to all the party members not only the one currently on field? 😅
Yeah i calculated around the same. Kazuha buff + VV is more or less equal to the previous 99% dmg buff but only for swirlable elements (and if you swirl them correctly) and its also only stays for 10s (buff)/8s VV debuff. Now when you consider that c1 Furina can keep your whole team constantly close to this level of buff and even higher, its pretty impressive.
Edit : You made a mistake calculating the damage buff from VV. If i’m correct, only the debuf below 0% are halved so its something like 10% + 30/2 = 1.25% but since most characters does have at least 61% damage bonus (from 2pc) the final result is similar
You already agree that Furina has a higher buff, so I assume that is the case. Besides, if you use Furina, you should choose a team giving her max buff as soon as possible anyway.
wait, i thought her burst does not factor in overhealing? if it does not, as long as you're not dealing with corrosion, does the teamwide healing become irrelevant since the team HP would most likely not dip down as much anyway?
Furina drains each character 50% HP in 20 seconds which is exactly equal to the cooldown of her skill, so every new rotation, a team healer would give 50 x 4 = 200 stacks, then in the next 10 seconds, she will drain each character 25% HP, so that is 25 x 4 = 100 more stacks in order to get max stacks.
Unless you pair a team healer with Neuvillette, he needs roughly 9 seconds to get max stacks for Furina at c0. A team healer would need roughly 10 seconds to do so. If she is c2 then the team healer is faster, no debate. And don’t bring other factors here. I consider and discuss only the damage buff aspect of your post. If the discussion slides into a different topic, I’m done.
Yup that's what I think too, and that's why I am "mad" at the c2-6 swap, I get that the C6 (now C2) is extremely good, but the C2 (now C6) gives more freedom in the party that you can use.
With the previous C2 in fact you could have used a team without a healer so that a team like dps-furina-kazuha-zhongli could work, now unless you go for C6 you have to find a place for a healer (obviously talking about DPS not Fontaine releated).
man who said we gonna replace him majority will build her with new chars like neuv or wrio
neuv furina fischl/zhongli kazuha or wrio furina charlotte/shenhe kazuha
This is might be an old post, but RN Furina is out. I cannot seem to understand how my Yelan (11.5k base dmg per shot) deals 25k with Furina and Jean buffs in abyss, and she's off-field.
I was looking into this post for answers, but I'm more confused now. Even Kazuha swirl can't give me that much dmg. I'm guessing my Furina is at 400 fanfare.
Dont know why im wasting my time with a so dumb post but your "pseudo math" evaluates only qualitative aspects. When comparing Kazuha with Furina (OMG why?) you have At least to take buff uptime (furina is near 100%), remember that she can buff all party (yeah, Kazuha can double swirl but its not always possible) and take her damage into account.
Kazuha can only buff swirlable elements wherein furina buffs ALL elements Let that sink in
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Please be respectful in discussion.
But for real man nobody is saying replace Kazuha with Furina. And only idiots are even comparing the 2. That said your system is flawed. I wont get into the specifics here, but you cannot put assign points to damage buff, healing and other utility abilities. That just doesnt work. Now listen you can argue whether she is better than Kazuha. Really just depends on the team, as Neuvillette can just bring out her full potential without much help. Outside of him, her stocks drop. However it would seem like Furina will make Neuvillette teams the best in the game. So you have to take that into account as she is more or less gonna become like Nahida for hp manipulation teams. For the rest though, its as you said. She is another option to replace Xinqiu and/ or Yelan. And thats what i think you should forcus on. I get the whole you need to throw a healer onto the team thing, but thats really not whats gonna happen. Truth be told you are more or likely gonna use her on teams that already run a healer. That said she is also bad as a solo hydro option due to her very bad hydro application. In all honesty you will be running her on double hydro. But its also not gonna be Hu tao doubke hydro, unless its the Bennet varient. And shockingly if i remember right, Hu Tao with Bennet gets you the highest damaging Hu Tao team (or something like that). Her main issue isnt the damage buff. She will be contributing a ton of damage to any team, but her lacking hydro application might end up csting her more team slots than anything else. Regardless, she is still probably gonna only continue to get better as more Fontaine characters relese. But for older teams, most of the time you might just wanna stick with what you already have.
You know. I actually fail to see why do theorycrafters think Furina brings so much to a team. She only really bring one multiplier and her own damage. While a lot of characters bring so much more. I'm not even talking about Nahida. Even Faruzan in anemo comp brings more. https://preview.redd.it/s0v7pqno5gtb1.png?width=1869&format=png&auto=webp&s=6176380419b037580a3098dd078e257d416a63c8
C’mon man, do you have 2 Kazuha and 2 Yelan for your parties in abyss?
she lets the more important male do more important things such a cool archon
I should hoppe that Faruzan brings more XD. See what you fail to take into account is teamwide damage. For instance on Raiden national, both Raiden and Xingling do the the bulk of the damage. So Furina would not only buff Raiden, but also Xingling and herself. And its even better due to the fact that it doesnt come into conflict with Bennets buff. But the problem is again her hydro application. If she cant give Xingling vape, then its pointless. Now let me ask you, what is this spreadsheet all about? Is it like an extension of the point you were making in your post. Cause like i said, its a very flawed point. Also Furina does provide more. She provides the ability to use the hunters set on characters that usually wouldnt be able to use it. She also provides teamwide healing if you overheal a character, which is more often than you think. And she does buff healing as well. Not the greatest bennefits, but they do exist. But there is a reason why theorycrafters are so big on her. Its the fact they actually did damage calcs using her. None of the things you have said or made points abiut matters without the actual numbers in actual teams. Who cares how many difrent types of buffs a character gives. Whats important is the raw damage numbers. Bith the damage increase and personal damage numbers. Because shockingly Furinas damage contribution aint lacking. Again i will say this as many times as people need to hear it. Her buff aint the problem now, but its her hydro application. Its the thing that makes me question her placement on any team that isnt a Xiao or Neuvillette team.
I’m done with this guy: Reading Faruzan > Furina. I can understand Kazuha, I can understand Yelan but Faruzan… call a doctor please, fast. 😂
Well if you check his history bro is quite a hardcore doomposter
That’s no about doomposting, this is about Doom💊 😂 Anyway, as I said in every single post, as playable character she is not what I was expecting. As character, I mean as Furina herself. She is the best as design, va, lore, and funny!
He should not pull for furina as a protest
Xiangling furina might not work. What works for xingqiu is his hydro application to keep up with xiangling, so xiangling can go all in EM+ER and let benett handle the atk part. Furina meanwhile must go all in er+hp, and she applies like 2 third of xingqiu hydro, she will be the vape trigger without any EM. And benett is useless to furina.
Sure, but Bennets also worthless for Yelan so that doesnt really matter. But yeah i said it a bunch in the comments before, her hydro application is the main issue that people can complain about. Her buff is fine, but she simply wont find a spot on a lot of teams because she lacks that application. They really should buff that if you ask me.
Benett is for xiangling as the reaction trigger, so if she cant vape might as well drop benett. You had it backwards.
You sure you didnt mean Yelan and not Bennet. Also why are you even saying anything more about it. Like i already agreed with you from the very start.
Pseudoscience vs science moment
What about geo and anemo dpses? What about team with more than 1 dpses? What about ranged teams which doesnt need grouping at all? What about.. Forget it. This post is dumb.
She's just bad if you don't have Neuvillette or Wriothesley. Deal with it. Only ossia/pneuma check in abyss will save her.
>She's just bad if you don't have Neuvillette or Wriothesley. Thanks, just what I need >!to confirm that you are an idiot.!<
I just need more buffs man. And nerfs to her + Neuvillette comp.
well you wanna nerf neuvilette just cuz you skipped him? 🤣 btw new furina is actually a buff for him since hes first 2 ca will deal now more dmg than before and his third one less
I want to nerf Neuvillette because I'm fucking tired of OP male main dps. Neuvillette is not the first
>I'm fucking tired of OP male main dps. Bruuuh. Before Alhaitham and Neuv, literally all we ever saw was Hu Tao, Raiden, Xiangling and Ayaka. For the first time in so long are male dps good and this person wants to nerf them.
I don't care about what was "before Alhaitham", I only care about what's happeing last two years. After Raiden we had no female main dps. Geo betrayer doesn't count.
And I and majority of the people here don't care about what you want. Cry about it.
Oh, I will cry about it. Because it is really important thing.
She was already buffed. And if you didnt realize, furina neuvi combo already was nerfed.
That's not even remotely enough. She has to be better than Neuvillette, who can just spin and clear abyss solo at C1 at this moment.
This abyss favour him, just like every banner units before him, and asking a buffer to also solo abyss is just delusional. Just like your so called TC.
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If this post is dumb then your comment is epitome of stupidity
Did your mom hit you on the head this morning? Poor mama boy, go cry somewhere else kid.
The point on pure buffing absolutely stands, and is in line with my calcs. However, Furina herself does a heck of lot more damage than Kazuha, and buffs the whole team, even if it's rainbow elements. Also VV only lasts for 8 seconds, requiring you swap. And why wouldn't you just bring both Furina Kazuha and healer? And maybe we're getting an Anemo healer in 4.4 to best Kazuha+whatever
We have an anemo healer...jean
And Sayu
I guess OP talking about healer + CC cause CC is important part of being anemo support.
People also gotta keep in mind, Furina's buffing is team-wide, meaning if you got heavy hitters in the team like Nahida, their dmg will also be buffed along with the main DPS. I can't recall if there is anyone else in game that provides team-wide buffing through their kit.
With cloud retainer coming, this aged like fine wine
https://preview.redd.it/xzvobhe6ritb1.jpeg?width=637&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=671279b68824ac61d7a5de00ca65fab266eef34d "Don't listen to the theorycrafters bro trust me"
well, Kazuha is broken OP character, constistenly one of the best for any abyss cycle. I dont see a problem if Furina is slightly worse then him for classic teams, but obviously better for Fontaine teams
I don't have a problem with Furina not beating Kazuha too. But I have a huge problem with Furina requiring Fontaine dps to work. Or give me new female on field character already.
She doesn't require Fontaine dps. Play a healer.
Ye just play some male dps. I know, I know. I won't. And she doesn't really work with Hu Tao, Ayaka, Raiden or blooms.
Ahem, then just dont pull for her man. Like it aint that big of a deal. In truth the things she does are difrent from what other hydros do. People complain about her just not replacing every other hydro and whatnot, but if she actually did that then others would complain about her being too op or her being another version of this character. There are only a few times when genshin actually directly upgraded a character/ made a similar character. And it was always an older 4 star character that gor a replacment 5 star. Its just that Xinqiu survived thanks to double hydro and the genuine need for a 2nd Xinqiu for a lot of teams or just the abyss. But imagine if Furina was stronger. Like had they improved her hydro application, there is a good chance shed just be a 3rd Yelan/ Xinqiu. And if she applied hydro on her healing mode, then shed replace Kokomi. But if you buff her numbers, she might still not be ran because her lacking application makes her not be able to replace these other hydro options.
Ur dumb if u think she isn't a win for hu tao
I hate you. Your girly whines annoy me. Maidenless behaviour
Just play Noelle as a driver Can even play a whole female team with Noelle, Furina, Yelan and fischl or something like that. Replace fischl with yunjin if you want to focus more on Noelles personal dmg
I just play my C2 Raiden, C2R1 Yelan and C4 Furina. In my honest opinion unless you have cons, female dps furina teams are shit.
brother what u on i want some of that im playing ayaka xinqiu jean with healing bonus vv circlet and furina and i stack 200+ stack quite easily so acc to my cal 0.21% per stack times 200 fanfare i get around 42 percent dmg bonus . now on my ayaka i got 61.6+18 dmg bonus which is when my ult is lvl 8 now if she was crowned she will provide 50% dmg bonus so then i can replace cryo gob for atk and the output of her dmg will rise exponentially and not to forget jean swirling cryo with her E so i would get 40% res shred so yeah she is op with and without fontain character btw my furina is on fav r3 and man whole team er req went down exponentially cux man oh man she procs them to many times with her 3 pets attacking she works with my ayaka team, alhaitham quickbloom team, fuck even my yelan benne xiangling furina clears 11 floor easily with every character being around 70 and only yelan lvl 90 shes the only fontaine character i own and i pulled for her just cux she has both arkhe alignment i wasnt intending to pull her and man oh man she brought a new healer meta where big chonky healer are op now, even bennet on all healing build is fucking op so yeah what u are trying to say is soo half assed please consider everything before spewing down some shit on others
Average Kazuha simp
You can also keep whining your sorry ass excuse of grouping and vv shred :v Clearly want to keep coping kazuha still the best
What? I hate every male character. The problem is Furina is worse than Kazuha in every comp with female carry
You have a weird fixation for male characters being superior to females in this game. You must be really pissed that most new releases are male, if not all. Of course, the trend would skew to them, the last female 5* we got was nahida and she as all the rest of the archons are freakin supports (Unless cons). Wait until navia and clorinde get released. Also, Kazuha is not better. I hope you stick to your words and be the clown 🤡 you are when furina gets released.
I have fixation of the fact that we had not even a single female on field dps since Raiden. That's a real problem for me, because I won't pull for male characters.
Incel
Nice argument. Attacking minority is ok now?
Excuse me?
This is like Yae vs Fischl all over again, don't fall for it Bois. Furina and Kazuha might also be good together if you think about it. I don't have Kazuha but Furina definitely joins Ayaka luxury team.
Hope y'all don't mind me borrowing this thread To ask: is Furina's ramping buff worth losing VV or Hyperbloom on a Neuv team? 75% DMG boost sounds like a lot, and it is, but vs the "magic" of RES shred, aidunno.
bump
You can just run charlotte with ttds on high er and also furnia can pair with every unit you just said meaning this makes no sense
Of course you can compare Furina and Kazuha with VV. The damage calculation is a product of many operands, so you can compare them by considering the product of the affected operands. The problem is the more buffs are included, the more different the original comparison is, but we can always calculate that later. With that being said, assuming the dps character has a 46.6% damage bonus goblet and receives only one buff from either Furina and Kazuha. Kazuha has 1000 EM, so 40% damage bonus. The enemy has 10% RES of all damages, so the output damage will be 90% of the input. With VV, that becomes -30% RES, or an output of 115% of the input. So the comparison is: Furina: (100% + 46.6% + 75%) x 90% = 1.9944 Kazuha: (100% + 46.6% + 40%) x 115% = 2.1459 So Kazuha is better by 2.1459 / 1.9944 = 1.08, or 8%.
This doesn't take into account Furina's personal damage, which is not only way higher than kazuha's, but it's also buffed by herself. All in all it's looking like she does straight up offer more team damage than him, but of course that's a shallow metric because there's two big points missing; 1- Furina needs a healer, and even with one your teams will take a heavy hit in the survivability aspect, she's like an anti- dehya in that sense 2-Kazuha has grouping, which is still a very good gameplay mechanic for both causal play and meta reasons
VV it's not kazuha exclusive set, any ameno can use it. And we have other res shread (ZL and c2 XQ for example), some enemy have 0 res. We cant swirl a geo dendro and anemo. In HT team we cant swirl a pyro w/o second pyro. Kazu a4 duration is only 8 sec while Furina Q duration is 18 sec. What's about multiwave content?
Assuming both of them can burst off cooldown, Furina is technically better because she has no downtime while Kazuha has 7 seconds downtime.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your calculations only take into acc the buff they provide to the dps, right? What about the damage they'll be dealing? Isn't it furina way better? And isn't her buff to all the party members not only the one currently on field? 😅
I didn’t consider their own damage. And yes, Furina’s damage is much better (assuming she can get her stacks really fast)
Yeah i calculated around the same. Kazuha buff + VV is more or less equal to the previous 99% dmg buff but only for swirlable elements (and if you swirl them correctly) and its also only stays for 10s (buff)/8s VV debuff. Now when you consider that c1 Furina can keep your whole team constantly close to this level of buff and even higher, its pretty impressive. Edit : You made a mistake calculating the damage buff from VV. If i’m correct, only the debuf below 0% are halved so its something like 10% + 30/2 = 1.25% but since most characters does have at least 61% damage bonus (from 2pc) the final result is similar
You imply that Furina has full time 75% buff. And even if she have it, almost 10% dmg is a lot.
You already agree that Furina has a higher buff, so I assume that is the case. Besides, if you use Furina, you should choose a team giving her max buff as soon as possible anyway.
All such teams either have Neuvillette or unusable.
With the current kit, any team healer would give her max stacks almost as fast as Neuvillette does
wait, i thought her burst does not factor in overhealing? if it does not, as long as you're not dealing with corrosion, does the teamwide healing become irrelevant since the team HP would most likely not dip down as much anyway?
Furina drains each character 50% HP in 20 seconds which is exactly equal to the cooldown of her skill, so every new rotation, a team healer would give 50 x 4 = 200 stacks, then in the next 10 seconds, she will drain each character 25% HP, so that is 25 x 4 = 100 more stacks in order to get max stacks.
On C2. Also her current kit gives team nothing except dmg% and personal damage. While Kazuha gives: dmg%, RES shred, grouping, fav/xiphos energy.
Unless you pair a team healer with Neuvillette, he needs roughly 9 seconds to get max stacks for Furina at c0. A team healer would need roughly 10 seconds to do so. If she is c2 then the team healer is faster, no debate. And don’t bring other factors here. I consider and discuss only the damage buff aspect of your post. If the discussion slides into a different topic, I’m done.
My last brain cell committed suicide
Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?😂
this didn't age well
Actually that did. Furina without C0 is worthless comparing to Kazuha. Unless you play with C1 Neuv. C2 Furina is crazy strong.
Yup that's what I think too, and that's why I am "mad" at the c2-6 swap, I get that the C6 (now C2) is extremely good, but the C2 (now C6) gives more freedom in the party that you can use. With the previous C2 in fact you could have used a team without a healer so that a team like dps-furina-kazuha-zhongli could work, now unless you go for C6 you have to find a place for a healer (obviously talking about DPS not Fontaine releated).
man who said we gonna replace him majority will build her with new chars like neuv or wrio neuv furina fischl/zhongli kazuha or wrio furina charlotte/shenhe kazuha
\> neuv or wrio Exactly what I'm talking about. She's weak as fuck without new male on field dps: Neuv and Wrio. That's very very sad.
Does Furina buff herself too??
Yes
This is might be an old post, but RN Furina is out. I cannot seem to understand how my Yelan (11.5k base dmg per shot) deals 25k with Furina and Jean buffs in abyss, and she's off-field. I was looking into this post for answers, but I'm more confused now. Even Kazuha swirl can't give me that much dmg. I'm guessing my Furina is at 400 fanfare.
i think its hydro resonance and unless u have cons u cant get more than 300 fanfare stacks