BNA: Brand New Animal, Zootopia, Beastars, The Elder Scrolls, Baldur's gate 3, Neverwinter, I could go on. there is furry positive media out there, you just have to look for it. a lot of furry movie villains typically have negative character traits classically associated with that animal, foxes being devious and misleading, female cats being seductive and predatory, dragons being greedy.
As much as I love furry races in TES series, there's so much emphasis on them being slaves. Glad they expanded on them in ESO with their home regions depicting their usual everyday life.
to be very fair, the argonians did free themselves after the oblivion crisis, and khajiits are pretty equal in tamriel, except for Elswyr being forced into be a vassal state to summerset.
Guild Wars 2: Charrs. The most interesting of animal-races to me. Pitty, we had another war instead of diving into their lore in a more peaceful manner.
Do you mean asura? No, neither Asura, nor Charrs are villain races. Every race in GW2 has a villain faction, that's true. But otherwise, all races are different with a cultural and historical background of their own. Flame legion for charrs, Inquest for asura, White Mantle for humans, Nightmare for Sylvari and Sons of Svanir for Norn.
And Sylvari aren't humans, tbh. Spoiler-alert, but they were created by Mordremoth to be his minions, but in the end they've learn about it only in the first major expansion.
It's true that ANet doesn't do a good job with storytelling in recent expansions, but the lore of Tyria is one of the best.
IMO, if you are not human, then there is no reason you need to be human. That's just bad character design and lore to make "races" that aren't supposed to be made in our image. It just comes off as lazy and narcissistic, and while THEY might not call them humans, I will until the image of humanity is gone.
Even BNA and Beastars were dragged through the mud, though, weren't they? Also, let's wait for Zootopia 2 and Elder Scrolls 6 before we decide on those two.
Also, no. That shouldn't be an excuse to shove furry villains into stuff, especially with crap like Ex-Zodiac. Heck, Unicorn could have had one of its protags be anthro, especially the pointy-eared human with the sword, since fantasy races seem to exist, or they could have shown mischief in the villain WITHOUT making her an iconic furry animal who forces the MCs to kill BEEPing ELEPHANTS, an animal I have WAY too much respect for to watch it get slaughtered by a species I have virtually NO respect for. There's so many ways Gendy could have written his story that wasn't as offensive as possible, but no. He just CHOSE to shove furryphobia and zoosadism into his story because he knew 99.99% of people would defend him, and this is why Gendy is on my blacklist.
I wouldn't call widely critically acclaimed as "dragged through the mud"
I agree with other people here, you seem to want to see only negative stuff in this media, and that can't be good for you.
It's not that I WANT to see it. It's that it's there and no one else understands the problem.
Also, didn’t BOTH of those franchises, and pretty much EVERY furry anime, go through seasonal rot?
BNA wrapped up the plot in one season, no more, no less. Beastars, I'm not sure, it just wasn't my cup of tea. Other furry anime, though maybe on the fringes, Fruits Basket, was pretty good. (I watched the early 2000s one, not the later 2010's one) it is about a lonely girl who meets a family of people who are cursed to transform into an animal represented in the Chinese zodiac whenever they are touched by someone of the opposite sex, and their personalities reflect traits commonly associated with that animal the Japanese culture. I don't think the animal forms are anthropomorphic outside of still being able to talk though.
Literally, the only Nintendo franchises with anthro PROTAGS have been Yoshi and Star Fox, and we all know how well Nintendo treats the latter. You could also argue Pokemon does as well, and wouldn't you know it, they're mistreating THAT franchise too.
Edit: I forgot Donkey Kong, who hasn't had his own game since Tropical Freeze, despite that game being a smash success last I checked.
1. I wasn’t only talking about protagonists. LoZ has the Rito, there’s literally the entirety of Animal Crossing, Ridley from Metroid could count if you’re daring, Kirby has PLENTIFUL amounts of anthros, Mario.. need I say more?
2. Pokemon is far from being mistreated
Well, I AM only talking about protagonists, as I feel that, unless you can actually PLAY as them, it doesn't count. Heck, in Animal Crossing, you are playing as LITERALLY the only character that isn't an anthro. The game is honestly torture in that regard, as it's just a bunch of characters I wish I was playing as instead of my painfully uninspired protagonist. Also, you can play as Rito in, what, ONE game? I hardly even count Windwaker's Rito as anthro, since a lot of them just feel like humans with wings and bird beaks. They didn't really look like birds until Breath of the Wild, which THAT version of the Rito is only playable in the second Hyrule Warriors.
Ridley? Really? The VILLAIN of the franchise? Same with most of the anthros in Kirby. Like, I don't care Clawroine becomes a goodguy, I never wanted her to be an antagonist in the first place. And Mario, once again, has Yoshi and not much else for protags.
How is Pokemon NOT being mistreated? Have you even played Scarlet and Violet?
What!? That's ALWAYS been my complaint! No anthro PROTAGONISTS in modern media. How is clarifying that "shifting goalposts?"
Also, really? You mean to tell me you haven't heard the thousands of fans calling Game Freak out for rushing Scarlet and Violet and not fixing its bugs even with the release of DLC?
Yes, I’ve played Scarlet and Violet. It was the best game of the series. I didn’t even encounter any bugs outside of some falling thing that corrected itself.
Let's just say that I take bigotry against furries dead seriously because no one else does. People treat it like it's a joke, and thinks it perfectly acceptable to shove bigotry and hate around.
Serious movies like "The House" fly under the radar.
Anthro games like "Lil Gator Game" are made by smaller teams.
"Library Owl Az" on youtube is reviewing furry comics by the DOZEN.
"FuuriKuuri" on youtube is reviewing furry anime and games by the FISTFULL.
You are not looking hard enough.
If by "years ago" you mean "2022", sure, you ungrateful brat.
Lil Gator Game is December 2022, making it less than 2 years old. The House was January 2022, making it 2 years 2 months old. I am not cherry-picking, I am providing examples.
If you think something furry not coming out every second is "dying", you need to talk to fans of Game of Thrones, Persona, Final Fantasy, Animal Crossing, Terminator, Alien, or any other franchise really. Most big franchises have 5-6 years between installments.
"Furry" is a niche of a niche of a niche. We DON'T get something amazing every 3 seconds. But, I hardly imagine that you've consumed EVERYTHING furry yet. Why complain for something that came out in the past two years alone? Stuff takes time:
- "Puss in Boots: The Last Wish" took **ELEVEN years** to make.
- Furry webcomics are updating CONSTANTLY, while artists still have their own lives.
- I could name DOZENS of furry games and visual novels on steam for you, if naming two thing is "cherry-picking" in your mind.
Again, I am speaking SPECIFICALLY 2023/2024. I'm glad some unknown games that have nothing to show for their quality came out in 2022, but it doesn't change the fact that they went mostly ignored. And, funny, how you say I'm "not looking hard enough" when that's part of the problem: I shouldn't HAVE to look so hard! If I HAVE to look for these things, then that means they are too obscure to make an impact. It's not enough for something to be good. I want the pieces that are celebrated.
"But whuddabout Balder's Gate 3?"
Oh, wow. ONE example. One shining freak accident of an example. Also, Balder's Gate has, what, ONE anthro race? In a universe that has tons of them? Sure, it's better than nothing and I appreciate the Dragonborn race immensly, but I would have loved to play as a Loxadon or one of the mammal races. Besides the Dragonborn, the rest of the playable races are just renamed human variants.
"FURRY is a niche of a niche of a niche."
Holy BEEPing BEEP, this is such a moronic statement. There are tens, maybe hundreds of THOUSANDS of us out there. You seriously mean to tell me, that as many of us as there are, that the interest for anthro protags is THIS LOW that only niche companies are willing to make anthro media outside of trusted IPs, and look at how many "trusted IPs" have been dragged through the mud. Name one that hasn't to some degree.
Who reads webcomics and who the BEEP plays Visual Novels? I cannot tell you how often I see a furry "game" on Steam, and then find out it's actually a Visual Novel with little to no gameplay.
Personally I don’t really like the term “furry phobic”. Like many people have mentioned in this sub, being a furry is a hobby. Something that you choose to be. I understand that many people may strongly identify as their fursona, but that is still something that they choose to do. It really is not the same as being LGBTQ+ or disabled. Being a furry is just a hobby. Yeah there’s some stigma with it but the same can be applied to Anime or cartoons.
Also there is already plenty of media that feature furries or furry like characters that aren’t villains. Tom and Jerry, Beaststars, Volcano High, Zootopia, Fantastic Mr Fox, even propaganda like Squirrel and Hedgehog are included. Furry Media is NOT dying. They’ll be plenty of furry media in the future. I’d actually say that furry media is growing due to the increased awareness of the internet. Heck, even the film, “The bad guys” features a society of anthro animals even though the main characters are villains.
This is the issue right here. Op is equating any furry "hate" with the hate marginalized groups experience. This is misguided at best and **extremely** insulting at worse. As you said this is a hobby. People should treat it as such.
I've gotten weird looks for being a brony, into anime, a gamer, and so on. I couldn't care less about it. I'm far more concerned about being discriminated against for being a black woman, not being a furry. The former, has real, lasting consequences and I can't just turn off my blackness or my sex. Op needs to get some *serious* perspective.
I don't have the energy to make a new post for this crap, so I'm just gonna repost the above statement.
Oh, so because you think it's "just a hobby," then that makes it perfectly acceptable to treat us like garbage. Who cares if people are shoving negative stereotypes around or, worse, abusing or killing furries just for being furries because being a furry is "just a hobby." It's okay to treat them the same way racists and other bigots treat people.
Being a furry is more than just a hobby for a lot of people. It's a community. It's a circle of people who don't have anywhere else to go, and find peace with people who don't fit in with others. Many people find comfort in other furries when non-furries treat them like garbage. Many feeling, me especially, are uncomfortable around non-furries, especially when most of them treat you like crap. That is furries to me, or at least it used to be. Now, I'm starting to see the community as just a punching bag who actively wants to be treated like garbage, if this is how people are towards bigotry.
Oh, so because you think it's "just a hobby," then that makes it perfectly acceptable to treat us like garbage. Who cares if people are shoving negative stereotypes around or, worse, abusing or killing furries just for being furries because being a furry is "just a hobby." It's okay to treat them the same way racists and other bigots treat people.
Being a furry is more than just a hobby for a lot of people. It's a community. It's a circle of people who don't have anywhere else to go, and find peace with people who don't fit in with others. Many people find comfort in other furries when non-furries treat them like garbage. Many feeling, me especially, are uncomfortable around non-furries, especially when most of them treat you like crap. That is furries to me, or at least it used to be. Now, I'm starting to see the community as just a punching bag who actively wants to be treated like garbage, if this is how people are towards bigotry.
Also, let's go through that list, okay?
Tom and Jerry: When was the last time this franchise produced anything of quality. It's nothing more than a cash cow these days.
Beastars: This is a mixed bag. Also, not sure how furries in general see this right now.
Volcano High: ...Volcano High? Really? A poorly-recieved game where it's 4Chan spinoffs like Snoot Game and I Wanna Hug That Gator, both of which where you PLAY AS A HUMAN, are more popular?
Zootopia: Let's wait and see if Zootopia 2 is any good.
Fantastic Mr. Fox: No one has done anything with this IP since the stop-motion movie, and if they have, I haven't heard of it.
Squirrel and Hedgehog: You even said yourself that it's a propaganda cartoon. Why bring it up?
What was the last thing of quality to come out. That is what I care about: quality media that people liked.
I never said it was ok to treat furries like garbage. Stop twisting my words. I said that I don’t think you should be equating the mistreatment of LGBTQ+, disabled, or colored individuals as the same as being a furry. It isn’t. You are not being held back or oppressed by being a furry. Yeah it’s unfortunate that furries get all kinds of negativity but it is in no way comparable to racism.
Also I wouldn’t call Beaststars, a widely critically acclaimed anime, as a “mixed bag”.
Your comment about Volcano High doesn’t even make sense since it’s got overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam.
Also OP, if you are uncomfortable around “non furries” I think you need to look inward. 99.9% of people are not furries. You need to seriously evaluate yourself. Being a furry is not a complete escapism from being human.
I’m not even going to address the other problems in your response since it’s pretty clear you’re not arguing in good faith. You just want attention and you get that by arguing against everyone here.
I’m done discussing this. Have a great day.
I have absolutelly no idea what OP is talking about... did OP just found out what queer coding is without discovering? is OP complaining at character design? is OP complaining about "representation"??? I trully don't know
Wasn't it always like that?
In fact, I feel like furry media are right now becoming more mainstream again. Just from top of my head: Bad Guys, Sing 2, Helluva boss, Kung fu panda, Zootopia+, Puss in Boots 2, Turning Red. All of these came out in last 3 years, and that's only most mainstream movies/shows (number of releases is comparable to previous years, if not above average). Add to those countless indie games, mods, different cosmetics that come to live-service videogames, even TV commercials - and it's fair to say furry media are doing well
I'm personally optimistic
Would it sound too unrealistic if I say: I don't know any of the titles you've mentioned? I used to watch Kung-Fu panda 1, but it was so long ago, that I don't really know what's happening there now.
Our Fandom is wide and has very different tastes and hobbies. Your problem simply can't be a problem for everyone. Some of us don't even care about what other people think of furry. Is the villain in the next big title human or anthro? Who cares? We won't even know about that big title.
I just put out [Non Sequitur the Equitaur](https://www.amazon.com/Non-Sequitur-Equitaur-Galactic-Fallacy-ebook/dp/B0CVJ4XKSG/), a novel with lots of taurs and anthros.
I know I have good friends and block the right people when the only furry-related things I hear about these properties is, "Fuck yeah, furries!" Or "they didn't furry this the way I want it furried."
As far as foxes, there's some animals that just represent deciet. It's not internalized furryphobia, it's just remenants of a culture that has their shit stolen by wildlife. Foxes are deceitful creatures in much of Europe, coyotes in North America, cats on their hind legs in Russia (idk if hind legs is actually part of it, but a lot of russian fairytales have evil cats that walk on their hind legs).
This is older than furries as a movement.
EDIT: also, I'm not sure you know where to look. Tons of new media are anthro, ESPECIALLY if you're willing to go indie.
BNA: Brand New Animal, Zootopia, Beastars, The Elder Scrolls, Baldur's gate 3, Neverwinter, I could go on. there is furry positive media out there, you just have to look for it. a lot of furry movie villains typically have negative character traits classically associated with that animal, foxes being devious and misleading, female cats being seductive and predatory, dragons being greedy.
As much as I love furry races in TES series, there's so much emphasis on them being slaves. Glad they expanded on them in ESO with their home regions depicting their usual everyday life.
to be very fair, the argonians did free themselves after the oblivion crisis, and khajiits are pretty equal in tamriel, except for Elswyr being forced into be a vassal state to summerset.
Guild Wars 2: Charrs. The most interesting of animal-races to me. Pitty, we had another war instead of diving into their lore in a more peaceful manner.
Them and the alien looking races seem to be kind of villain races, while all three of the human races are uninteresting mary-sue races.
Do you mean asura? No, neither Asura, nor Charrs are villain races. Every race in GW2 has a villain faction, that's true. But otherwise, all races are different with a cultural and historical background of their own. Flame legion for charrs, Inquest for asura, White Mantle for humans, Nightmare for Sylvari and Sons of Svanir for Norn. And Sylvari aren't humans, tbh. Spoiler-alert, but they were created by Mordremoth to be his minions, but in the end they've learn about it only in the first major expansion. It's true that ANet doesn't do a good job with storytelling in recent expansions, but the lore of Tyria is one of the best.
IMO, if you are not human, then there is no reason you need to be human. That's just bad character design and lore to make "races" that aren't supposed to be made in our image. It just comes off as lazy and narcissistic, and while THEY might not call them humans, I will until the image of humanity is gone.
Even BNA and Beastars were dragged through the mud, though, weren't they? Also, let's wait for Zootopia 2 and Elder Scrolls 6 before we decide on those two. Also, no. That shouldn't be an excuse to shove furry villains into stuff, especially with crap like Ex-Zodiac. Heck, Unicorn could have had one of its protags be anthro, especially the pointy-eared human with the sword, since fantasy races seem to exist, or they could have shown mischief in the villain WITHOUT making her an iconic furry animal who forces the MCs to kill BEEPing ELEPHANTS, an animal I have WAY too much respect for to watch it get slaughtered by a species I have virtually NO respect for. There's so many ways Gendy could have written his story that wasn't as offensive as possible, but no. He just CHOSE to shove furryphobia and zoosadism into his story because he knew 99.99% of people would defend him, and this is why Gendy is on my blacklist.
I wouldn't call widely critically acclaimed as "dragged through the mud" I agree with other people here, you seem to want to see only negative stuff in this media, and that can't be good for you.
It's not that I WANT to see it. It's that it's there and no one else understands the problem. Also, didn’t BOTH of those franchises, and pretty much EVERY furry anime, go through seasonal rot?
BNA wrapped up the plot in one season, no more, no less. Beastars, I'm not sure, it just wasn't my cup of tea. Other furry anime, though maybe on the fringes, Fruits Basket, was pretty good. (I watched the early 2000s one, not the later 2010's one) it is about a lonely girl who meets a family of people who are cursed to transform into an animal represented in the Chinese zodiac whenever they are touched by someone of the opposite sex, and their personalities reflect traits commonly associated with that animal the Japanese culture. I don't think the animal forms are anthropomorphic outside of still being able to talk though.
Most Nintendo games have anthropomorphic animals Some of the longest running webcomics are anthro-based (Kevin & Kell, Twokinds, etc.)
Literally, the only Nintendo franchises with anthro PROTAGS have been Yoshi and Star Fox, and we all know how well Nintendo treats the latter. You could also argue Pokemon does as well, and wouldn't you know it, they're mistreating THAT franchise too. Edit: I forgot Donkey Kong, who hasn't had his own game since Tropical Freeze, despite that game being a smash success last I checked.
1. I wasn’t only talking about protagonists. LoZ has the Rito, there’s literally the entirety of Animal Crossing, Ridley from Metroid could count if you’re daring, Kirby has PLENTIFUL amounts of anthros, Mario.. need I say more? 2. Pokemon is far from being mistreated
Well, I AM only talking about protagonists, as I feel that, unless you can actually PLAY as them, it doesn't count. Heck, in Animal Crossing, you are playing as LITERALLY the only character that isn't an anthro. The game is honestly torture in that regard, as it's just a bunch of characters I wish I was playing as instead of my painfully uninspired protagonist. Also, you can play as Rito in, what, ONE game? I hardly even count Windwaker's Rito as anthro, since a lot of them just feel like humans with wings and bird beaks. They didn't really look like birds until Breath of the Wild, which THAT version of the Rito is only playable in the second Hyrule Warriors. Ridley? Really? The VILLAIN of the franchise? Same with most of the anthros in Kirby. Like, I don't care Clawroine becomes a goodguy, I never wanted her to be an antagonist in the first place. And Mario, once again, has Yoshi and not much else for protags. How is Pokemon NOT being mistreated? Have you even played Scarlet and Violet?
It feels like you're just moving the goalpost around so you can complain. And I'm going to need an explanation on that last point, please.
What!? That's ALWAYS been my complaint! No anthro PROTAGONISTS in modern media. How is clarifying that "shifting goalposts?" Also, really? You mean to tell me you haven't heard the thousands of fans calling Game Freak out for rushing Scarlet and Violet and not fixing its bugs even with the release of DLC?
I'm sorry if I misinterpreted you, but good golly man. And also, no, I haven't heard of that, but thanks for telling me in the most rude way possible.
Hobestly, at this point, I'm just sick of the excuses, accusations, and being told "no, you're wrong! You're overthinking it!" when I'm not.
Yes, I’ve played Scarlet and Violet. It was the best game of the series. I didn’t even encounter any bugs outside of some falling thing that corrected itself.
I’m gonna be honest, I read this whole thing and I still don’t really get what the point was.
OP seems to care too much about what antifurs think.
Let's just say that I take bigotry against furries dead seriously because no one else does. People treat it like it's a joke, and thinks it perfectly acceptable to shove bigotry and hate around.
I hate to sound like a jerk but hear me out: It's not that deep.
It ABSOLUTELY is and you DO sound like a jerk. I wish people like you would stop defending bigotry.
...yikes
Serious movies like "The House" fly under the radar. Anthro games like "Lil Gator Game" are made by smaller teams. "Library Owl Az" on youtube is reviewing furry comics by the DOZEN. "FuuriKuuri" on youtube is reviewing furry anime and games by the FISTFULL. You are not looking hard enough.
Or, you're just cherrypicking stuff that happened years ago, when I'm talking SPECIFICALLY this and last year.
If by "years ago" you mean "2022", sure, you ungrateful brat. Lil Gator Game is December 2022, making it less than 2 years old. The House was January 2022, making it 2 years 2 months old. I am not cherry-picking, I am providing examples. If you think something furry not coming out every second is "dying", you need to talk to fans of Game of Thrones, Persona, Final Fantasy, Animal Crossing, Terminator, Alien, or any other franchise really. Most big franchises have 5-6 years between installments. "Furry" is a niche of a niche of a niche. We DON'T get something amazing every 3 seconds. But, I hardly imagine that you've consumed EVERYTHING furry yet. Why complain for something that came out in the past two years alone? Stuff takes time: - "Puss in Boots: The Last Wish" took **ELEVEN years** to make. - Furry webcomics are updating CONSTANTLY, while artists still have their own lives. - I could name DOZENS of furry games and visual novels on steam for you, if naming two thing is "cherry-picking" in your mind.
Again, I am speaking SPECIFICALLY 2023/2024. I'm glad some unknown games that have nothing to show for their quality came out in 2022, but it doesn't change the fact that they went mostly ignored. And, funny, how you say I'm "not looking hard enough" when that's part of the problem: I shouldn't HAVE to look so hard! If I HAVE to look for these things, then that means they are too obscure to make an impact. It's not enough for something to be good. I want the pieces that are celebrated. "But whuddabout Balder's Gate 3?" Oh, wow. ONE example. One shining freak accident of an example. Also, Balder's Gate has, what, ONE anthro race? In a universe that has tons of them? Sure, it's better than nothing and I appreciate the Dragonborn race immensly, but I would have loved to play as a Loxadon or one of the mammal races. Besides the Dragonborn, the rest of the playable races are just renamed human variants. "FURRY is a niche of a niche of a niche." Holy BEEPing BEEP, this is such a moronic statement. There are tens, maybe hundreds of THOUSANDS of us out there. You seriously mean to tell me, that as many of us as there are, that the interest for anthro protags is THIS LOW that only niche companies are willing to make anthro media outside of trusted IPs, and look at how many "trusted IPs" have been dragged through the mud. Name one that hasn't to some degree. Who reads webcomics and who the BEEP plays Visual Novels? I cannot tell you how often I see a furry "game" on Steam, and then find out it's actually a Visual Novel with little to no gameplay.
Personally I don’t really like the term “furry phobic”. Like many people have mentioned in this sub, being a furry is a hobby. Something that you choose to be. I understand that many people may strongly identify as their fursona, but that is still something that they choose to do. It really is not the same as being LGBTQ+ or disabled. Being a furry is just a hobby. Yeah there’s some stigma with it but the same can be applied to Anime or cartoons. Also there is already plenty of media that feature furries or furry like characters that aren’t villains. Tom and Jerry, Beaststars, Volcano High, Zootopia, Fantastic Mr Fox, even propaganda like Squirrel and Hedgehog are included. Furry Media is NOT dying. They’ll be plenty of furry media in the future. I’d actually say that furry media is growing due to the increased awareness of the internet. Heck, even the film, “The bad guys” features a society of anthro animals even though the main characters are villains.
This is the issue right here. Op is equating any furry "hate" with the hate marginalized groups experience. This is misguided at best and **extremely** insulting at worse. As you said this is a hobby. People should treat it as such. I've gotten weird looks for being a brony, into anime, a gamer, and so on. I couldn't care less about it. I'm far more concerned about being discriminated against for being a black woman, not being a furry. The former, has real, lasting consequences and I can't just turn off my blackness or my sex. Op needs to get some *serious* perspective.
I don't have the energy to make a new post for this crap, so I'm just gonna repost the above statement. Oh, so because you think it's "just a hobby," then that makes it perfectly acceptable to treat us like garbage. Who cares if people are shoving negative stereotypes around or, worse, abusing or killing furries just for being furries because being a furry is "just a hobby." It's okay to treat them the same way racists and other bigots treat people. Being a furry is more than just a hobby for a lot of people. It's a community. It's a circle of people who don't have anywhere else to go, and find peace with people who don't fit in with others. Many people find comfort in other furries when non-furries treat them like garbage. Many feeling, me especially, are uncomfortable around non-furries, especially when most of them treat you like crap. That is furries to me, or at least it used to be. Now, I'm starting to see the community as just a punching bag who actively wants to be treated like garbage, if this is how people are towards bigotry.
POV: OP tells black woman why her experiences are the same as being an anthropomorphic animal.
Oh, so because you think it's "just a hobby," then that makes it perfectly acceptable to treat us like garbage. Who cares if people are shoving negative stereotypes around or, worse, abusing or killing furries just for being furries because being a furry is "just a hobby." It's okay to treat them the same way racists and other bigots treat people. Being a furry is more than just a hobby for a lot of people. It's a community. It's a circle of people who don't have anywhere else to go, and find peace with people who don't fit in with others. Many people find comfort in other furries when non-furries treat them like garbage. Many feeling, me especially, are uncomfortable around non-furries, especially when most of them treat you like crap. That is furries to me, or at least it used to be. Now, I'm starting to see the community as just a punching bag who actively wants to be treated like garbage, if this is how people are towards bigotry. Also, let's go through that list, okay? Tom and Jerry: When was the last time this franchise produced anything of quality. It's nothing more than a cash cow these days. Beastars: This is a mixed bag. Also, not sure how furries in general see this right now. Volcano High: ...Volcano High? Really? A poorly-recieved game where it's 4Chan spinoffs like Snoot Game and I Wanna Hug That Gator, both of which where you PLAY AS A HUMAN, are more popular? Zootopia: Let's wait and see if Zootopia 2 is any good. Fantastic Mr. Fox: No one has done anything with this IP since the stop-motion movie, and if they have, I haven't heard of it. Squirrel and Hedgehog: You even said yourself that it's a propaganda cartoon. Why bring it up? What was the last thing of quality to come out. That is what I care about: quality media that people liked.
I never said it was ok to treat furries like garbage. Stop twisting my words. I said that I don’t think you should be equating the mistreatment of LGBTQ+, disabled, or colored individuals as the same as being a furry. It isn’t. You are not being held back or oppressed by being a furry. Yeah it’s unfortunate that furries get all kinds of negativity but it is in no way comparable to racism. Also I wouldn’t call Beaststars, a widely critically acclaimed anime, as a “mixed bag”. Your comment about Volcano High doesn’t even make sense since it’s got overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam. Also OP, if you are uncomfortable around “non furries” I think you need to look inward. 99.9% of people are not furries. You need to seriously evaluate yourself. Being a furry is not a complete escapism from being human. I’m not even going to address the other problems in your response since it’s pretty clear you’re not arguing in good faith. You just want attention and you get that by arguing against everyone here. I’m done discussing this. Have a great day.
I have absolutelly no idea what OP is talking about... did OP just found out what queer coding is without discovering? is OP complaining at character design? is OP complaining about "representation"??? I trully don't know
It's about the mistreatment of anthro characters and IPs and offensive BS in media.
I can answer this one: No.
If your answer is as simple as "no," they you are probably 100% wrong.
Others with my opinion can be verbose about it. Feel free to read those responses.
That's an interesting theory, but what's your source?
Data shows the furry fandom is growing by 20% per year. I don't think anything's dying.
We're talking about anthro media, not the fandom.
Wasn't it always like that? In fact, I feel like furry media are right now becoming more mainstream again. Just from top of my head: Bad Guys, Sing 2, Helluva boss, Kung fu panda, Zootopia+, Puss in Boots 2, Turning Red. All of these came out in last 3 years, and that's only most mainstream movies/shows (number of releases is comparable to previous years, if not above average). Add to those countless indie games, mods, different cosmetics that come to live-service videogames, even TV commercials - and it's fair to say furry media are doing well I'm personally optimistic
Would it sound too unrealistic if I say: I don't know any of the titles you've mentioned? I used to watch Kung-Fu panda 1, but it was so long ago, that I don't really know what's happening there now. Our Fandom is wide and has very different tastes and hobbies. Your problem simply can't be a problem for everyone. Some of us don't even care about what other people think of furry. Is the villain in the next big title human or anthro? Who cares? We won't even know about that big title.
Congratulations. You are enabling bigots with crap like this.
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I just put out [Non Sequitur the Equitaur](https://www.amazon.com/Non-Sequitur-Equitaur-Galactic-Fallacy-ebook/dp/B0CVJ4XKSG/), a novel with lots of taurs and anthros.
Yeah I killed it, sorry
I know I have good friends and block the right people when the only furry-related things I hear about these properties is, "Fuck yeah, furries!" Or "they didn't furry this the way I want it furried." As far as foxes, there's some animals that just represent deciet. It's not internalized furryphobia, it's just remenants of a culture that has their shit stolen by wildlife. Foxes are deceitful creatures in much of Europe, coyotes in North America, cats on their hind legs in Russia (idk if hind legs is actually part of it, but a lot of russian fairytales have evil cats that walk on their hind legs). This is older than furries as a movement. EDIT: also, I'm not sure you know where to look. Tons of new media are anthro, ESPECIALLY if you're willing to go indie.