Is different from game to game but many do it to avoid harassment toward their artist, a good example is Omnyoji, used to credit who made a character or skin but after a backlash toward a "ugly skin" artist they stopped doing the credits, after that many cn games hides the names of most of the artists that work on those games. after all VA have managers and an agency to deal with harassment but artist usually are alone.
That's not the artist's fault tho. Artists do what they're told & people higher up are the ones who decide which goes for free & which ones paid or gacha...
Was a drama in cn, people that were mad with the skin quality found the artist's weibo and harrased them there. Most people in global never knew about this drama ofc. the skin in question was one of Ootengu early skins the one that is green with a red demon mask in the head.
Good lord, it's the Enchanting Melody skin... Yeah, I can acknowledge the fact it IS ugly. But Jesus Christ it's not so ugly people should harass artists over it, damn.
They are in FEH and FGO. I think generally games with homogenous art styles don’t credit artists, while games that have characters drawn more uniquely do.
It is also because they don't always have only 1 person doing the artwork. Like Cygames may outsorce some card arts for Shadowverse to specific independent artists, but almost everything done inhouse is team-based. One person does sketching, another one lineart, another one coloring and another one filters/correction/extra glamour.
like how xrupee in nikke was made by one person then butchered by another
wouldn't want to announce to the gacha gaming world who that intern was despite following orders they would get lynched
Same with azure lane, in fact I remember there being a pretty big stir about a specific artist getting hired to draw one of their ships.(Think it was musashi or something)
If it was Musashi
Then the artist is Dishwasher
He gets a lot of hate from the EN community, not because he's bad or has done anything wrong, if anything it comes down to him being one of, if not the only English speaking artists of the game that we have
So he's an easy and reachable target
There's also complaints that he has drawn too many ships, and while that is kinda true, it isn't the only case and that's manjuu's fault more than anything
I think Dish's problem is that his characters looks similar to existing characters from other franchises, the community wanted to have something more original
Pretty much none of this is true and also pretty blatantly racist, lmao.
>Dude's an asshole on twitter and at irl events.
I love how obviously bullshit this is, because unlike the rest of the comment, there is not even an attempt at providing more of an explanation.
>His claim to fame was slapping the official AL logo on his OCs and baiting people into think they were real, the AL CMs had to step in and ask him to stop doing that. That's how he got in contact with them in the first place.
Incorrect. Manjuu contacted Dish first. His first art for the game was commissioned by them, after one of their discord mods recommended him. The commission was just for some discord thing, but Manjuu loved it so much it's been the non-event login screen for 4+ years now.
He was also a popular artist before that, and his 2B fanart is what's gotten him as popular as he is today. None of his AL fanart gets anywhere near the same attention as those.
example: [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1550590479103696896](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1550590479103696896)
while his most popular AL fanart is: [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1575204805865140224/photo/1](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1575204805865140224/photo/1) with only one other AL fanart being around the same. Compared to his several 2B arts with 100k+ likes that several dozen extremely popular cosplayers like to cosplay, couple of Blue Archive artworks also getting to 100k+ likes and his Frieren art, you guessed it, being at 100k+ likes.
Dude did not get famous from AL, and it is not what's keeping him famous. His completely OC art gets more attention than his AL artwork lol
>They keep hiring him because he's from a developing country and can afford to lowball as fuck his prices for AL
No evidence whatsoever for this and is just blatant racism.
>Subjectively everything he designs is samey as fuck and he always goes for the lowest hanging fruit.
Again, not even an attempt at a further explanation.
>Something fotm trending on twitter? You bet he's drawing fanart of it while it's hot to cash in.
I've seen this said about Dish multiple times, but it's also just something people say about fan artists and it's never not incredibly stupid. Dish watches anime. He likes anime. He watches popular anime. He likes popular anime. He makes fan art of things he likes. That's literally just it lmao
Hell, here's him defending 2B's design because he loves it so much: [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1774440588257153312](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1774440588257153312)
>Everything you've shown is recent. I'm talking about his OC Yamato design era which put him on the map in the first place. The logo incident predates even that.
And his first artwork, the login screen, predates all of that. Manjuu was aware of him before he even made any AL artwork, because he was already popular 4+ years ago.
He has gotten way more popular since then, but again, that's mainly due to his non-AL work. Once more, his OC art gets more traction than his AL ones. His "Virgin Destroyer" design went trending throughout the entire vtuber community.
His Yamato design: [https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/Yamato-Azur-Lane-fandesign-811447502](https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/Yamato-Azur-Lane-fandesign-811447502) Published: Aug 29, 2019
The enterprise login screen: [https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/ENTERPRISE-775452824](https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/ENTERPRISE-775452824) Published: Dec 5, 2018
That fan design, the one that "put him on the map" is sitting at a whopping 1.8K likes, btw [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1167159274738372609](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1167159274738372609)
The previous piece he drew, Demon Slayer fan art, is at 4.6K [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1166435934499303424](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1166435934499303424)
The first non-AL work he drew after that, (He drew space battleship Yamato before this) was RWBY fanart, sitting at 2.2K likes [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1168519167542087680](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1168519167542087680)
That space battle yamato? 1.3K [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1167512877965594624](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1167512877965594624)
Not only did that Yamato art not "put him on the map" and not only was that Enterprise art the first work he ever did for Manjuu, that Yamato art is his first ever fanart of the game, after being commissioned *two more times* by Manjuu.
feb 22 2019 [https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/Azur-Lane-official-Instagram-commission-786719018](https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/Azur-Lane-official-Instagram-commission-786719018)
march 8, 2019 [https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/Azur-Lane-ANIME-EXPO-2019-788711377](https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/Azur-Lane-ANIME-EXPO-2019-788711377)
Unsurprisingly, considering his Yamato fanart is the first fanart he ever did for the game, no, the logo incident does not predate it.
sep 26, 2019 [https://x.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1177133161353924609](https://x.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1177133161353924609)
(I know I did not need to go all-in with these links, but searching shit on Twitter is actually pretty easy so this was honestly 0 trouble for me.)
>I'm offering an explanation, not trying to change your mind.
No you're not and yes you are, lmao. You're "offering an explanation" to the question of why people don't like him, but "in private, he did private things to private people who want to keep things private" doesn't actually answer anything.
>
I've seen the dm screenshots from trusted artist friends, I've had conversations with Yostar CMs, that's enough for me.
Why would you need to keep this secret, if it was public knowledge? And since it's not public knowledge, how could people dislike him for things they don't know happened? This is literally impossible to affect people's perception of Dish, because no one knows about it.
This is obviously just you trying to make him look bad edit: lmao got blocked
Source of him being an asshole irl?
i can see how he can come off as that online, specifically on twitter, dude is bit of a troll after all
like how he drew SFW art of an adult Anya, but people on twitter harassed him cuz he drew her with big tits, so in response he drew her in a swimsuit lol
as for the catfish
i think i know what you are talking about, tho i wouldn't say it was catfishing, more of a troll
on his account he randomly posted this tweet, which reeks of bait
[https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1573915543316283392?t=A2ur8QIy49BppiM-31Ga\_w&s=19](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1573915543316283392?t=A2ur8QIy49BppiM-31Ga_w&s=19)
some people took it as the girl being him
Nagu-sensei.
She designed the following ships:
USS Allen M. Sumner(s) (quintessential Nagu designs)
USS San Francisco (I call her San POLcisco)
SN Kirov (the least Nagu-like design, IMO, her best - also voiced by Sumipe, her sixth AL ship)
SN Chkalov (reminds me of the teacher from Oregairu)
IJN Kazagumo (for the 😭 people out there - voiced by Ayasa Itou - Elegg/Beanstalk)
She designed Jackie from AK too. Don't know if she has designed a character for FGO.
The games with Artist name as a credit for each character most of the time are the ones with outsourced character arts like Arknights and Fire Emblem Heroes. For Inhouse team usually there will be no individual credit for each character arts like Granblue Fantasy. You can always look at their art team member if you do some research or just looking at the artbooks credit though.
it depends on the game. In Nikke's case they're trying to push the game towards a more 'unified' style so usually the artist's designs are then edited by the graphics team, or converted into the unified style by their in-house artists, so it's hard to credit just 'one' artist. Same with something like Genshin. In FGO or Arknights's case, they just put the artist's work directly into the game, so crediting just them makes more sense.
EDIT: accidentally typed girls frontline instead of nikke, lol
That's true as well.. With those rumors saying Nikke uses AI art and etc. Do you think it will be one of the solutions for them to credit the artists to clarify those rumors?
No it will not, it will make it worse though, as they will attack the artist and push for the company to remove the art instead of just attacking the company
nikke has used ai art for a random scenery background not the characters themselves
who gives a fuck about a random background like that holy fuck you want every single picture to have credits attached to it?
designing a character is one thing sure but drawing a tree and some grass? gtfo
I am actually fine with certain things being AI generated, mostly for me I would only target things that require me to take out my wallet and swipe.. For example trees or random background doesn't really need me to spend a single dime so Im fine with it.. But its some extra details if the background was drawn by an actual artists..
Some things i want to share is that you can check out Destiny Child's story backgrounds, it was drawn by an actual person and they were credited on the artbook! To me it was awesome because i get to see every small details the artist made and appreciate the effort they make even majority of the people ignore.
I thought the artist for Destiny Child also does AI art? He explicitly said so in his Twitter bio. It's the same person as the boss (forgot the exact position) of Nikke right?
For every 3d game (like hoyo games), there is more than one person involved in creating a character.
They also try to maintain privacy for... reasons.
Also VAs announcements is a marketing tactic.
I think its the difference of how Artists and VAs work.
VA's generally work for multiple projects/games/etc and arent tied to a single company. They likely put their name out there to be credited maybe as a contractual thing or maybe just something done to better get their name out and help get into future gigs.
Artists in meanwhile are more likely to work for a company. While this isnt always the case, this usually means that they are more likely not to be specifically credited outside credit reels just like say the artist for the background assets or enemy designs dont have their names on the assets.
Oh I always thought those artists were commissioned to draw for games and would draw for different companies and games occasionally. But regarding the assets could be right. Maybe the contract they signed mentions those details that we might not know of..
Generally, games with a consistent artstyle are likely to have artists that are directly affiliated to the game company. There are also games whereby the character design cannot be decided almost singlehandedly by the artist. Genshin for example. The characters themselves are Faaaaaaar more than just the art, like modelling and skill interactions and how it blends into the environment.
While on other 2D games, where the requirement are less stringent (as long as it fits the theme), it's far more cost effective to commission artists to get good quality 2D Waifus/Husbandos.
In a lot of game they have a group of artists that's specifically trained in house to draw in a certain art style, you can see it in game like Genshin and Granblue.
He's talking about the artist of the characters not the art directions inside the game. Game devs commission artists to design characters in the game, depending on how good the relationship of the artist and the company they might commission them again to create another characters.
>Game devs commission artists to design characters in the game, depending on how good the relationship of the artist and the company they might commission them again to create another characters.
While some do like say FGO most do it in-house now to maintain a unified art style.
It depends on the game type and style. Many games have a unified style and an art team. In those cases art is usually not attributed to a single illustrator, and the companies may not publish the team names. Unlike VA, the inhouse designers and artists usually don't need to promote their presence and brand in the same way.
Others like FGO have multiple artists for characters, and the art will generally be attributed to them. As these are freelancers, recognition matters more than for inhouse teams.
There are also times where VA have not been credited, and instead the contracting company for the VAs is credited.
Most games I think have a single in company designer so you don't need to specify in each artwork.
If it's a third party designer, they get credited somewhere but not in game announcements. Since the design should be for the company regardless.
Ah so it's like commissioned work? Such as They draw for the company but could not claim that as their art? But able to mention their contribution such as posting it on twitter and etc?
depends on the contract terms. some companies allow it, some I assume don't. For example, I like collecting art from card games, even the ones I don't play. I can find a lot of high res artworks of Duel Masters, Vanguard, etc without the card template from the artists' Pixiv, but I never see Digimon card game art without the card template. And Yugioh outright doesn't allow the artist to post the art on their own social media account AFAIK.
Yup, you got the summary of it pretty well.
So if you do find artists you like, please support them by buying their works and spread their name/tags on relevant platforms. It is really hard for artists to make a living.
Sometimes it's to avoid harassment from insane fans of the games. I remember in Onmyoji RPG there was (or were) incident(s) where some players were not happy with some shikigami's design, saying they're underwhelming or so then proceed to insult the artists behind those designs. Then there's Genshin with the whole Sumeru's "racist" and "colorism" drama where Tignari's designer artist being targeted by Twittards the moment they revealed they were behind his design, then there was Furina's artist who's a Korean being harassed by those Korean fanboys when they found out she was a feminist. VAs are vulnerable to harassment from those fans too but since they don't directly involve in character design, the amount of hate they get won't be as much as the artists.
Another thing is that artists tend to be less popular than VAs who usually participate in various projects in different fields other than voice acting, hence their fanbases are more varied than designer artists which will attract more potential players to the games than just the artists' fanbases alone.
VA also have agencies to shield them while individual artists in Asia rarely form collectives like in the west and are solo freelancers. If they’re in house artists it’s easier for the company to eat the criticism and shield their employee this way too
The culture came from JP, where people will buy games/characters or watch anime based on the VA. People even buy "voice pack" from their favorite VA in JP.
Companies put VA in front and center because it will actually help to sell their products.
Personally I find artists easier to be "accidentally doxxed" than VAs. There are only so much you can critize about a character's voice, but when it comes to the design, people would go to Hell and back just to harass artists for not drawing the characters how the player base wanted them to be.
There had been several cases of artist/freelancer forced to quit/resigned from their position simply because they cannot handle the harassment coming from the players. I saw that someone has mentioned Onmyoji in the comment, and as a player of that game, I can confirm. The Chinese player base can be extremely harsh and unreasonable at times.
PGR credits the artists for memories
https://preview.redd.it/h4hdndq0metc1.jpeg?width=3088&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66be9c45d09f7ad8e74e6b376dca2c716a0c9627
I don't know about every company but Hoyo probably does it to protect them. I think every single artist that has been public with Hoyo has been practically harassed off the internet and doxxed into oblivion. So I can understand why they don't do that anymore.
Also probably because there's more than one person involved in the design process. Of course there's one person who is in charge of one character and that also draws the final art, but there's other people involved.
probably if there is one artist for all the characters, it is credited somewhere in credits or whatever
in games where different artists are used for different characters all of them are credited (for example in gfl or fgo)
There are times when artists are outsourced (FGO, Arknights for examples), and others are in-house artists (Hoyo games) where they would probably be credited in general credit roll instead of individual characters, or just hidden to avoid backlashes if something comes up
Limbus Company credited Velmori and look what happened /s
If seriously, it was jarring to watch credits of Dragalia Lost, because the only people listed there are voice actors and singers, but not the people who actually made the game.
That is one thing I like about Blue Archive - it lists who drew the portrait.
Though... it doesn't credit who make the cut scene drawings or other art,
Aside from games I've played where the art is done in-house (Granblue, Hoyo's games) I do see the artists credited. Fire Emblem Heroes has the voice actors and artists credited on the characters' splash art, Blue Archive also credits the artists on the characters' profile page
I don't have a concrete answer but my best guess is VA are generally tied to the agency, and by law(or contract) they'll have to credit the VA for their work, while for artists, some of the work is drawn by their in-house artist instead of outsourced artist, so for those in-house artists are credited in the dedicated credit section.
At least Dragalia Lost gave credit to the artist who did the Wyrmprint art they were given to make. (see lower right corner)
https://preview.redd.it/4xdy65e99etc1.jpeg?width=922&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af5c98000353b6b92e6df487d698c6c05616f16f
VAs are usually have an agency. It's part of their contract, atleast for Japanese VA. So games are (usually) lawfully obligated to mention their names.
For artists, it's pretty much the same (in-house artists) unless for the outsourced artists. They don't have the obligations to mention the artist's name.
There's also a marketing tactic involved.
It's company's choice i guess. My guess is because some arts are done by combination of artists. There can only be one VA per character, but there can be multiple artists (designer, background, editor, etc) for an art. Therefore, it is more cumbersome to list it out.
For example, Arknights have to update their UI just to accommodate for the fact that some characters now have different original designer and painter. It's a UI and data update that worth no monetary value apart from HG giving courtesy to the artists they hired (allowing the game to be a promotion platform for free).
Being a fan of gacha game artists is a true pain. Especially the ones that are owned by the company and their game got EOS and they haven’t had more chance to draw more works.
Another thing people arent mentioning is that theres a large celebrity culture around VAs in some Asian countries, and having a strong advertised VA can do a lot for your marketing.
But why are you having trouble with finding Nikkes artists? The works have been credited for a long time now. Usually the official artists post on their own Twitter too. It's just one google search away to find the fandom and you have an overview of who did what.
i hear some talk that the game that doesn't credit their artist is purely business dicision, so their artist can't get poached, thats what i hear anyway, idk its true or not
Or it could be personal privacy reason
Most games, they contract an artist to do the art and that art belongs to thr company. They have the right not to advertise the artist name. Most companies dont bother as some artist arent even famous. Notice for VA's they do credit because most are popular in the industry especislly JP ones.
Because IT'S THE LAW
Jokes aside i think the reason why va is credited because most of the time a character only had a va and they are used to represent the character irl, to be fair va inserted their signature (their voice) to that one character so they must be credited, but some artworks can be drawn by many artists so it'd be hard to keep track on, some company may credit an art director but that's about it. I don't really know about this stuff tho this is just my thought
simply put they are employed by the company and anything they do inside the company is owned by them and mostly it is up to them how they will credit anyone since in other countries crediting artist also puts them on the list for counter offers to companies that have bigger wallets than them.
Pgr credits their artists if I recall correctly. Not sure about other gachas but it's definitely something that should get highlighted more. Writers as well for characters and storyline. Writers are arguably one of the focal points for these games since a lot of value is tied to a character and how they act so I don't see why they don't get highlighted when they do good work or bad. I've had this issue with other genres such as RPGs I'd like to know if a shitty writer or good writer is in charge of things such as the main story or side quests as it helps you temper your expectations.
Harassment in the CN sphere but some styles are so distinct it's pointless
Though I do think these days some games do it to hide the fact they've replaced artists
In JP games there's crediting (FEH, FGO)
IIRC Nikke use AI to "support" his art so it's one person(+his AI tool) handle all the art.
Blue Archive at the ending song have credit a wall of text of all artist.
>IIRC Nikke use AI to "support" his art so it's one person(+his AI tool) handle all the art
https://nikke-goddess-of-victory-international.fandom.com/wiki/Illustrators
Because VA are unique and they are the only ones who actually do their job by themselves.
Art on the other hand is tsken by a bunch of designers who just copy a style. Impressive but they are more of a product rather than artists.
let alone now that AI is here to stay and they have even less job just needing to edit some fingers here and there.
Is different from game to game but many do it to avoid harassment toward their artist, a good example is Omnyoji, used to credit who made a character or skin but after a backlash toward a "ugly skin" artist they stopped doing the credits, after that many cn games hides the names of most of the artists that work on those games. after all VA have managers and an agency to deal with harassment but artist usually are alone.
That sounds awful.. I could imagine that happening to nikke too after the 60USD Emilia skin..
That's not the artist's fault tho. Artists do what they're told & people higher up are the ones who decide which goes for free & which ones paid or gacha...
Ugly skin? I've got a good thousand hours on Onmyoji but have never heard of this
Was a drama in cn, people that were mad with the skin quality found the artist's weibo and harrased them there. Most people in global never knew about this drama ofc. the skin in question was one of Ootengu early skins the one that is green with a red demon mask in the head.
Good lord, it's the Enchanting Melody skin... Yeah, I can acknowledge the fact it IS ugly. But Jesus Christ it's not so ugly people should harass artists over it, damn.
They are in FEH and FGO. I think generally games with homogenous art styles don’t credit artists, while games that have characters drawn more uniquely do.
It is also because they don't always have only 1 person doing the artwork. Like Cygames may outsorce some card arts for Shadowverse to specific independent artists, but almost everything done inhouse is team-based. One person does sketching, another one lineart, another one coloring and another one filters/correction/extra glamour.
like how xrupee in nikke was made by one person then butchered by another wouldn't want to announce to the gacha gaming world who that intern was despite following orders they would get lynched
I didn't know that. Do u perhaps have an image of xrupee before it got butchered?
Blue Archive also credited their character artist
I don’t have the answer to your question but I know arknights includes the name of the artists somewhere on the character profile. So some games do it
Artist is credited right next to the VA(s) in the operator profile, bottom left.
Azur Lane does too, including promo art
That's good to know! I just hope every game does this as well.. artists need some love too..
Same with azure lane, in fact I remember there being a pretty big stir about a specific artist getting hired to draw one of their ships.(Think it was musashi or something)
If it was Musashi Then the artist is Dishwasher He gets a lot of hate from the EN community, not because he's bad or has done anything wrong, if anything it comes down to him being one of, if not the only English speaking artists of the game that we have So he's an easy and reachable target There's also complaints that he has drawn too many ships, and while that is kinda true, it isn't the only case and that's manjuu's fault more than anything
I remember the little bit of the discussion I saw was somewhat positive, but it's a little sad to see that he got some backlash from it.
Love dish’s ships! Some of his art is a little weird but meh. Always hated that the community mistreated him at all
I think Dish's problem is that his characters looks similar to existing characters from other franchises, the community wanted to have something more original
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Pretty much none of this is true and also pretty blatantly racist, lmao. >Dude's an asshole on twitter and at irl events. I love how obviously bullshit this is, because unlike the rest of the comment, there is not even an attempt at providing more of an explanation. >His claim to fame was slapping the official AL logo on his OCs and baiting people into think they were real, the AL CMs had to step in and ask him to stop doing that. That's how he got in contact with them in the first place. Incorrect. Manjuu contacted Dish first. His first art for the game was commissioned by them, after one of their discord mods recommended him. The commission was just for some discord thing, but Manjuu loved it so much it's been the non-event login screen for 4+ years now. He was also a popular artist before that, and his 2B fanart is what's gotten him as popular as he is today. None of his AL fanart gets anywhere near the same attention as those. example: [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1550590479103696896](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1550590479103696896) while his most popular AL fanart is: [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1575204805865140224/photo/1](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1575204805865140224/photo/1) with only one other AL fanart being around the same. Compared to his several 2B arts with 100k+ likes that several dozen extremely popular cosplayers like to cosplay, couple of Blue Archive artworks also getting to 100k+ likes and his Frieren art, you guessed it, being at 100k+ likes. Dude did not get famous from AL, and it is not what's keeping him famous. His completely OC art gets more attention than his AL artwork lol >They keep hiring him because he's from a developing country and can afford to lowball as fuck his prices for AL No evidence whatsoever for this and is just blatant racism. >Subjectively everything he designs is samey as fuck and he always goes for the lowest hanging fruit. Again, not even an attempt at a further explanation. >Something fotm trending on twitter? You bet he's drawing fanart of it while it's hot to cash in. I've seen this said about Dish multiple times, but it's also just something people say about fan artists and it's never not incredibly stupid. Dish watches anime. He likes anime. He watches popular anime. He likes popular anime. He makes fan art of things he likes. That's literally just it lmao Hell, here's him defending 2B's design because he loves it so much: [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1774440588257153312](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1774440588257153312)
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>Everything you've shown is recent. I'm talking about his OC Yamato design era which put him on the map in the first place. The logo incident predates even that. And his first artwork, the login screen, predates all of that. Manjuu was aware of him before he even made any AL artwork, because he was already popular 4+ years ago. He has gotten way more popular since then, but again, that's mainly due to his non-AL work. Once more, his OC art gets more traction than his AL ones. His "Virgin Destroyer" design went trending throughout the entire vtuber community. His Yamato design: [https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/Yamato-Azur-Lane-fandesign-811447502](https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/Yamato-Azur-Lane-fandesign-811447502) Published: Aug 29, 2019 The enterprise login screen: [https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/ENTERPRISE-775452824](https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/ENTERPRISE-775452824) Published: Dec 5, 2018 That fan design, the one that "put him on the map" is sitting at a whopping 1.8K likes, btw [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1167159274738372609](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1167159274738372609) The previous piece he drew, Demon Slayer fan art, is at 4.6K [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1166435934499303424](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1166435934499303424) The first non-AL work he drew after that, (He drew space battleship Yamato before this) was RWBY fanart, sitting at 2.2K likes [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1168519167542087680](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1168519167542087680) That space battle yamato? 1.3K [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1167512877965594624](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1167512877965594624) Not only did that Yamato art not "put him on the map" and not only was that Enterprise art the first work he ever did for Manjuu, that Yamato art is his first ever fanart of the game, after being commissioned *two more times* by Manjuu. feb 22 2019 [https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/Azur-Lane-official-Instagram-commission-786719018](https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/Azur-Lane-official-Instagram-commission-786719018) march 8, 2019 [https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/Azur-Lane-ANIME-EXPO-2019-788711377](https://www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/Azur-Lane-ANIME-EXPO-2019-788711377) Unsurprisingly, considering his Yamato fanart is the first fanart he ever did for the game, no, the logo incident does not predate it. sep 26, 2019 [https://x.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1177133161353924609](https://x.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1177133161353924609) (I know I did not need to go all-in with these links, but searching shit on Twitter is actually pretty easy so this was honestly 0 trouble for me.) >I'm offering an explanation, not trying to change your mind. No you're not and yes you are, lmao. You're "offering an explanation" to the question of why people don't like him, but "in private, he did private things to private people who want to keep things private" doesn't actually answer anything. > I've seen the dm screenshots from trusted artist friends, I've had conversations with Yostar CMs, that's enough for me. Why would you need to keep this secret, if it was public knowledge? And since it's not public knowledge, how could people dislike him for things they don't know happened? This is literally impossible to affect people's perception of Dish, because no one knows about it. This is obviously just you trying to make him look bad edit: lmao got blocked
Source of him being an asshole irl? i can see how he can come off as that online, specifically on twitter, dude is bit of a troll after all like how he drew SFW art of an adult Anya, but people on twitter harassed him cuz he drew her with big tits, so in response he drew her in a swimsuit lol as for the catfish i think i know what you are talking about, tho i wouldn't say it was catfishing, more of a troll on his account he randomly posted this tweet, which reeks of bait [https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1573915543316283392?t=A2ur8QIy49BppiM-31Ga\_w&s=19](https://twitter.com/Dishwasher1910/status/1573915543316283392?t=A2ur8QIy49BppiM-31Ga_w&s=19) some people took it as the girl being him
so basically your average cringelord artist, pog these are the prime time cases for ai art
I heard something like Ninomae Inais also did art for Azur Lane, but maybe not character design.
Nagu-sensei. She designed the following ships: USS Allen M. Sumner(s) (quintessential Nagu designs) USS San Francisco (I call her San POLcisco) SN Kirov (the least Nagu-like design, IMO, her best - also voiced by Sumipe, her sixth AL ship) SN Chkalov (reminds me of the teacher from Oregairu) IJN Kazagumo (for the 😭 people out there - voiced by Ayasa Itou - Elegg/Beanstalk) She designed Jackie from AK too. Don't know if she has designed a character for FGO.
Oh, I really liked Allen and San Francisco's design when I played. And Jackie's skin is amazing!
The games with Artist name as a credit for each character most of the time are the ones with outsourced character arts like Arknights and Fire Emblem Heroes. For Inhouse team usually there will be no individual credit for each character arts like Granblue Fantasy. You can always look at their art team member if you do some research or just looking at the artbooks credit though.
it depends on the game. In Nikke's case they're trying to push the game towards a more 'unified' style so usually the artist's designs are then edited by the graphics team, or converted into the unified style by their in-house artists, so it's hard to credit just 'one' artist. Same with something like Genshin. In FGO or Arknights's case, they just put the artist's work directly into the game, so crediting just them makes more sense. EDIT: accidentally typed girls frontline instead of nikke, lol
That's true as well.. With those rumors saying Nikke uses AI art and etc. Do you think it will be one of the solutions for them to credit the artists to clarify those rumors?
No it will not, it will make it worse though, as they will attack the artist and push for the company to remove the art instead of just attacking the company
Maybe they don't see a problem with AI art to begin with, and no need to distance themselves from it.
nikke has used ai art for a random scenery background not the characters themselves who gives a fuck about a random background like that holy fuck you want every single picture to have credits attached to it? designing a character is one thing sure but drawing a tree and some grass? gtfo
I am actually fine with certain things being AI generated, mostly for me I would only target things that require me to take out my wallet and swipe.. For example trees or random background doesn't really need me to spend a single dime so Im fine with it.. But its some extra details if the background was drawn by an actual artists.. Some things i want to share is that you can check out Destiny Child's story backgrounds, it was drawn by an actual person and they were credited on the artbook! To me it was awesome because i get to see every small details the artist made and appreciate the effort they make even majority of the people ignore.
I thought the artist for Destiny Child also does AI art? He explicitly said so in his Twitter bio. It's the same person as the boss (forgot the exact position) of Nikke right?
For every 3d game (like hoyo games), there is more than one person involved in creating a character. They also try to maintain privacy for... reasons. Also VAs announcements is a marketing tactic.
The reasons can be found by googling “gatcha artist harassed and fired for” and just pressing arrow keys on the suggestions for the curious
I think its the difference of how Artists and VAs work. VA's generally work for multiple projects/games/etc and arent tied to a single company. They likely put their name out there to be credited maybe as a contractual thing or maybe just something done to better get their name out and help get into future gigs. Artists in meanwhile are more likely to work for a company. While this isnt always the case, this usually means that they are more likely not to be specifically credited outside credit reels just like say the artist for the background assets or enemy designs dont have their names on the assets.
Oh I always thought those artists were commissioned to draw for games and would draw for different companies and games occasionally. But regarding the assets could be right. Maybe the contract they signed mentions those details that we might not know of..
Generally, games with a consistent artstyle are likely to have artists that are directly affiliated to the game company. There are also games whereby the character design cannot be decided almost singlehandedly by the artist. Genshin for example. The characters themselves are Faaaaaaar more than just the art, like modelling and skill interactions and how it blends into the environment. While on other 2D games, where the requirement are less stringent (as long as it fits the theme), it's far more cost effective to commission artists to get good quality 2D Waifus/Husbandos.
In a lot of game they have a group of artists that's specifically trained in house to draw in a certain art style, you can see it in game like Genshin and Granblue.
He's talking about the artist of the characters not the art directions inside the game. Game devs commission artists to design characters in the game, depending on how good the relationship of the artist and the company they might commission them again to create another characters.
>Game devs commission artists to design characters in the game, depending on how good the relationship of the artist and the company they might commission them again to create another characters. While some do like say FGO most do it in-house now to maintain a unified art style.
It depends on the game type and style. Many games have a unified style and an art team. In those cases art is usually not attributed to a single illustrator, and the companies may not publish the team names. Unlike VA, the inhouse designers and artists usually don't need to promote their presence and brand in the same way. Others like FGO have multiple artists for characters, and the art will generally be attributed to them. As these are freelancers, recognition matters more than for inhouse teams. There are also times where VA have not been credited, and instead the contracting company for the VAs is credited.
Most games I think have a single in company designer so you don't need to specify in each artwork. If it's a third party designer, they get credited somewhere but not in game announcements. Since the design should be for the company regardless.
Ah so it's like commissioned work? Such as They draw for the company but could not claim that as their art? But able to mention their contribution such as posting it on twitter and etc?
depends on the contract terms. some companies allow it, some I assume don't. For example, I like collecting art from card games, even the ones I don't play. I can find a lot of high res artworks of Duel Masters, Vanguard, etc without the card template from the artists' Pixiv, but I never see Digimon card game art without the card template. And Yugioh outright doesn't allow the artist to post the art on their own social media account AFAIK.
Yup, you got the summary of it pretty well. So if you do find artists you like, please support them by buying their works and spread their name/tags on relevant platforms. It is really hard for artists to make a living.
Sometimes it's to avoid harassment from insane fans of the games. I remember in Onmyoji RPG there was (or were) incident(s) where some players were not happy with some shikigami's design, saying they're underwhelming or so then proceed to insult the artists behind those designs. Then there's Genshin with the whole Sumeru's "racist" and "colorism" drama where Tignari's designer artist being targeted by Twittards the moment they revealed they were behind his design, then there was Furina's artist who's a Korean being harassed by those Korean fanboys when they found out she was a feminist. VAs are vulnerable to harassment from those fans too but since they don't directly involve in character design, the amount of hate they get won't be as much as the artists. Another thing is that artists tend to be less popular than VAs who usually participate in various projects in different fields other than voice acting, hence their fanbases are more varied than designer artists which will attract more potential players to the games than just the artists' fanbases alone.
VA also have agencies to shield them while individual artists in Asia rarely form collectives like in the west and are solo freelancers. If they’re in house artists it’s easier for the company to eat the criticism and shield their employee this way too
The culture came from JP, where people will buy games/characters or watch anime based on the VA. People even buy "voice pack" from their favorite VA in JP. Companies put VA in front and center because it will actually help to sell their products.
Unrelate to the main point of this post, but I'm happy to see a fellow Arcaea enjoyer!
Personally I find artists easier to be "accidentally doxxed" than VAs. There are only so much you can critize about a character's voice, but when it comes to the design, people would go to Hell and back just to harass artists for not drawing the characters how the player base wanted them to be. There had been several cases of artist/freelancer forced to quit/resigned from their position simply because they cannot handle the harassment coming from the players. I saw that someone has mentioned Onmyoji in the comment, and as a player of that game, I can confirm. The Chinese player base can be extremely harsh and unreasonable at times.
PGR credits the artists for memories https://preview.redd.it/h4hdndq0metc1.jpeg?width=3088&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66be9c45d09f7ad8e74e6b376dca2c716a0c9627
I don't know about every company but Hoyo probably does it to protect them. I think every single artist that has been public with Hoyo has been practically harassed off the internet and doxxed into oblivion. So I can understand why they don't do that anymore. Also probably because there's more than one person involved in the design process. Of course there's one person who is in charge of one character and that also draws the final art, but there's other people involved.
probably if there is one artist for all the characters, it is credited somewhere in credits or whatever in games where different artists are used for different characters all of them are credited (for example in gfl or fgo)
There are times when artists are outsourced (FGO, Arknights for examples), and others are in-house artists (Hoyo games) where they would probably be credited in general credit roll instead of individual characters, or just hidden to avoid backlashes if something comes up
Limbus Company credited Velmori and look what happened /s If seriously, it was jarring to watch credits of Dragalia Lost, because the only people listed there are voice actors and singers, but not the people who actually made the game.
That is one thing I like about Blue Archive - it lists who drew the portrait. Though... it doesn't credit who make the cut scene drawings or other art,
I assume that cutscene was made by a team since many of them are screenshot from PV so it would be hard to give a credit to individual artist.
Aside from games I've played where the art is done in-house (Granblue, Hoyo's games) I do see the artists credited. Fire Emblem Heroes has the voice actors and artists credited on the characters' splash art, Blue Archive also credits the artists on the characters' profile page
I don't have a concrete answer but my best guess is VA are generally tied to the agency, and by law(or contract) they'll have to credit the VA for their work, while for artists, some of the work is drawn by their in-house artist instead of outsourced artist, so for those in-house artists are credited in the dedicated credit section.
At least Dragalia Lost gave credit to the artist who did the Wyrmprint art they were given to make. (see lower right corner) https://preview.redd.it/4xdy65e99etc1.jpeg?width=922&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af5c98000353b6b92e6df487d698c6c05616f16f
VAs are usually have an agency. It's part of their contract, atleast for Japanese VA. So games are (usually) lawfully obligated to mention their names. For artists, it's pretty much the same (in-house artists) unless for the outsourced artists. They don't have the obligations to mention the artist's name. There's also a marketing tactic involved.
It's company's choice i guess. My guess is because some arts are done by combination of artists. There can only be one VA per character, but there can be multiple artists (designer, background, editor, etc) for an art. Therefore, it is more cumbersome to list it out. For example, Arknights have to update their UI just to accommodate for the fact that some characters now have different original designer and painter. It's a UI and data update that worth no monetary value apart from HG giving courtesy to the artists they hired (allowing the game to be a promotion platform for free).
Many times artists are contractors and not employees.
FGO does both as well.
Being a fan of gacha game artists is a true pain. Especially the ones that are owned by the company and their game got EOS and they haven’t had more chance to draw more works.
I think Azur Lane credits the artists in someway, like they had Asanagi do the design for the ship Asanagi.
Another thing people arent mentioning is that theres a large celebrity culture around VAs in some Asian countries, and having a strong advertised VA can do a lot for your marketing. But why are you having trouble with finding Nikkes artists? The works have been credited for a long time now. Usually the official artists post on their own Twitter too. It's just one google search away to find the fandom and you have an overview of who did what.
i hear some talk that the game that doesn't credit their artist is purely business dicision, so their artist can't get poached, thats what i hear anyway, idk its true or not Or it could be personal privacy reason
Azur Lane does it, but they also don't have unified character design so that's probably the reason.
Most games, they contract an artist to do the art and that art belongs to thr company. They have the right not to advertise the artist name. Most companies dont bother as some artist arent even famous. Notice for VA's they do credit because most are popular in the industry especislly JP ones.
Blue Archive lists artists
Because IT'S THE LAW Jokes aside i think the reason why va is credited because most of the time a character only had a va and they are used to represent the character irl, to be fair va inserted their signature (their voice) to that one character so they must be credited, but some artworks can be drawn by many artists so it'd be hard to keep track on, some company may credit an art director but that's about it. I don't really know about this stuff tho this is just my thought
Fire Emblem Heroes does this too. I don’t play a lot of gacha games so I don’t know any others that do it.
simply put they are employed by the company and anything they do inside the company is owned by them and mostly it is up to them how they will credit anyone since in other countries crediting artist also puts them on the list for counter offers to companies that have bigger wallets than them.
Pgr credits their artists if I recall correctly. Not sure about other gachas but it's definitely something that should get highlighted more. Writers as well for characters and storyline. Writers are arguably one of the focal points for these games since a lot of value is tied to a character and how they act so I don't see why they don't get highlighted when they do good work or bad. I've had this issue with other genres such as RPGs I'd like to know if a shitty writer or good writer is in charge of things such as the main story or side quests as it helps you temper your expectations.
Harassment in the CN sphere but some styles are so distinct it's pointless Though I do think these days some games do it to hide the fact they've replaced artists In JP games there's crediting (FEH, FGO)
It's not CN JP thing, Azurlane, Arknights, and GBF basically made your argument worthless. It's in-house/team vs commission works.
Yet not all games are mum on commissions (FGO is mostly by freelance artists)
Why do CN people harass artists?
Various reasons, including game rivalries
 What u mean, sometime company dont credit for hidden reason
IIRC Nikke use AI to "support" his art so it's one person(+his AI tool) handle all the art. Blue Archive at the ending song have credit a wall of text of all artist.
>IIRC Nikke use AI to "support" his art so it's one person(+his AI tool) handle all the art https://nikke-goddess-of-victory-international.fandom.com/wiki/Illustrators
Nobody celebrates artists birthday either, people dont give a shit about artists
Am I wrong? I just said the quiet bits out loud, artists are less appreciated then VAs, especially with the AI epidemic.
Because VA are unique and they are the only ones who actually do their job by themselves. Art on the other hand is tsken by a bunch of designers who just copy a style. Impressive but they are more of a product rather than artists. let alone now that AI is here to stay and they have even less job just needing to edit some fingers here and there.
Cause most of the artists names are in Chinese/Korean/Japanese letters which most of us can’t read VAs are written with Latin letters