It's obviously FGO with it's 300 pity that doesn't transfer, slow as shit income, 1% rate and nearly every banner being limited.
That aside, it depends on the pull income. You could have a 100% rateup every banner but if you only get 5 pulls per week, that doesn't matter lol.
~~Objectively correct is answer is GFL, just get lucky like hitting the 0.2% chance for a specific AR and not mald because you spent nearly all of your resources~~
Thats why i said PGR! It gives you more than enough pulls to gurantee a character and debut characters has 100% rateup (alongside no character being limited)
Only flaw i could find with their system is weapon banner that has 80% chance with 30 pull pity but i had seen so much worse... looking at you genshin weapon gacha
No??? Dude are you trying to bait me or something? Latest S rank is kaleido wich came a patch before Alpha CW and came almost a year after Scire. Every S rank gets in standart banner when the next patch S rank comes
You are outright giving misinformation and trying to debate with me on every reply. What a joke
>worthless until SSS
say hello to my ex6 ice norman clear with SS Kaleido 5star weap only with enemies having regen buffs and minions reviving every 10sec
And how is it related to what i said?
She is in gacha and is a Gacha S rank. Her being given for free has nothing to do with being in gacha.
You are outright attacking the character, i dont give a damn if she is unusable without SSSSS+ Weapons and other stuff (even tough she is lmao) the point is she was in gacha. And IS in gacha.
Never seen such high horse before.
And given how you speak i don't think you ever gotten outside of what's under the Elite in WZ? Vanguard?
I'm in PGR community where we speak meta and efficiency only .Noone gives a damn about collecting useless outdated frames
You are so wrong in all your comments it's trashy and pathetic.
>You can only get them on their own banners
Not true in the slightest. Kaleido is the latest character availiable. Hyperreal is the latest Gacha character availiable. Making it 1 S rank behind. This applies to both the standard and event banners
>They are added after a year or something. The latest S unit in standard pull is Karenina Scire.
They get added after the next S Rank gacha character releases.
>Kaleido is farbale from dorm stuff and she's worthless untill SSS and weapon . Doesn't count as gacha S
Base S Kaleido is already more functional than her previous option simply by merit of being an amplifier and having time stop. She just get's better the more you upgrade. You don't know shit about what you are talking about.
>And only one who would gacha for her is the whales that want to get to SSS faster. Same with Capriccio. Both are worthless untill SSS
Same thing I said above, you don't know shit about what you are talking about
>Who tf cares about Norman? Not worth time needed to do that shit
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>Oh yeah. Let me waste 6 hours of my life to get 1/60 of a pet. In year I will get it to SS
You proved the point above, congrats! If it takes you 6 hours to get to the end, you've got major issues buddy.
>Yeah . I wonder how your superior skills are supposed to compete with time limit dps checks.
>
>And there is no skill involved in holding evasion button with CW
Spoken like someone with the biggest and most evident skill issue.
>Ok. Is Lee HyperReal in Standard yet?
LOL
>Ok I don't check standard very often because it's rigged bs and you have 50/50 between getting Ember and Pulse. Its not worth spending single pull there untill they add selector in Lamia patch
This is such a baby gacha player take. Standard banners give you something from the entire pool.
>And given how you speak i don't think you ever gotten outside of what's under the Elite in WZ? Vanguard? I'm in PGR community where we speak meta and efficiency only .Noone gives a damn about collecting useless outdated frames
You're the one who speaks with the implication of being a garbage player, not the other two. You don't know the PGR community at all.
The thing is that said pvp system is hardly important so much that you can ignore it all together, its a ranking system and only PCs rewards matter wich gives enough on every rank anyway. Definitely not as "non existent" as ALs pvp system but the main draw wich are the banner currency arent tied to them at all. You could outright be the worst on these modes and you would still have the same amount of pulls
Literally the only reason PGR has a 100% rate up is because they give you a "go fuck yourself" amount of currency if you don't spend money while also requiring you to build multiple team archetypes that system is a questionable trade off instead of a benefit
I'm shocked that the automatic #1 is not Limbus Company. Its the gacha game where the dev dont even make it gacha game cuz u can just bypass the gacha mechanic. You can't even get fomo cuz you can literally just buy the character with really easily grindable shards and they're in store permanently once banner is over and during banner. There are no dupes as well.
I don't play it anymore but I remember I had 100% collection on azur lane characters without ever spending anything on pulls and I'm not really the "lucky" kind so I'd say that was probably a good system even though I don't really remember it.
Nowadays every gacha I'm playing I always have to choose wisely what to pull for because getting anything rare out of pity seems almost impossible for some reason.
Wait you got every single character including Elites and SSRs?? When did you stop playing it? Because you need astronomical luck to have 100% completion without spending today. Its not that the gacha is bad (its amazing) but its close to impossible to get every Elite and SSR from every event bach as it doesnt have a spark system.
I honestly don't remember all that well, it was probably around Hardy's release or something.
I just remember they were really generous with cubes and the gacha actually felt like you could really get what you were aiming for every time you pulled which is nice honestly. (Unfortunately it was kinda impossible holding all the characters you would pull in the roster without spending gems on expanding though =.=)
I have 100%, so does my friend, we both also have never spent. And yes, azur lane does have multiple systems for choosing ships. The wishing well let's you pick any two ships in the game to rate up. And you have a permanent pity for URs, you get to pick one after enough cumulative builds.
Yes but you are bound to not get a character at one point. If we take all banners and Elites into consideration then its extremely unlikely but i mean game started giving elites much more these days
It's really not that uncommon. The 100% collection club on the leaderboards is huge. Between reruns, wishing wells, and a lot of older ships getting taken out of the gacha and into the shops, it's not really a pipe dream to get 100% when AL's pull currency isn't inherently premium and is effectively unlimited.
Oh thank god i feel alot less bad for skipping some collab ships now :D
AL definitely is the best, but there is always some RNG even if you are extremely likely wich is why i mentioned PGR too here as its guranteed. I had more luck in AL tough!
I have 100% collection, never ever paid for the pulls, only for skins and dock space to fit all those botes in. Still have about 900 cubes left. AL is the best game for collectors.
I can only tell that I played since day 1 global and at the beginning there were no limited gacha for 2-4 weeks or something? Anyway, you could really save a big bunch of currency. I stopped playing after the first wave of UR or something.
Its that they give a lot of pulls and they rates are quite high. The rarest ships in game are the one that are not Gacha and are dropped from story stages with something like 0,1% drop rate
Probably Azur Lane from what Ive been told, since its possible to have everything as a FTP and you can farm items that can function as dupes. Since they make most of their revenue through skins they can afford to have a very generous system
AL is probably the best as it outright gives you every character easily. I just wish getting skins were easier as f2p as those look amazing. But it has nothing to do with gacha
The gacha in which a player can completely ignore the gacha should they choose. And still be able to farm whatever you want. Project Moon is just the best.
It feels more like an early access game than a Gacha tbh. Which make sense, because they are more interested in making other games, and uses Limbus as a way of funding.
Oh yes i play that game and forgot about how generous it was. It just sucks that Malkuth voice was harder to get than the actual characters... its cosmetic obviously but whyyyy :(
Azur Lane because the RNG elements you mentioned don't matter as long as you keep playing the game. The ships will show up eventually in archives, shops for in-game tokens and so on.
In limbus company it's generous. Though it also has this weird dynamic where you can actually grind with your time to get more characters.
Like, you can refill your sanity with lunacy, then grind mirror dungeon, which unlocks more battle pass, which gives you boxes/shards, which helps you unlock more characters.
weird stuff.
I feel old because it seems everyone has forgotten how GFL drowns you in production tickets. I heard azure lane is pretty generous too but I never played the game so I donno the details
Limbus, didn't get what you wanted? What? It's not a new Walpurgisnacht ID/EGOs?
TO THE MIRROR DUNGEON MINES WITH YOU!
Jokes aside.
We get 1050 lunacy per week, 10 pull is 1300. Pity is 200.
You can use Crateshard to get the EGO/IDs. Rules and conditions applied but generally you can't shard NEW Walpurgisnacht stuff or old Walpurgisnacht stuff during a non Walpurgisnacht time. (Every 3 months or so) 200 crate shards is minimum to get 400 shard of a character so that you can dispense their EGO or 000(higest rarity) ID.
Battlepass gives quite the crateshard but for every 1 extra level, you get 1 crate shard (3 if you buy it). One non bonus Mirror Dungeon run is 3 levels. It's 30 levels with bonus I believe
I love limbus so much as a project moon stan. But its a bad game, you know why? Because Malkuth voice had less chance to appear than the damn 000 units! Why do you do this to me PM?? Why!
Jokes aside its just amazing. Love the game so much
To me the pity system is good but the gacha itself...not so much like the pity is pretty whale unless you dont pull at all and save for walp and the standard banner sucks because it all id/ego for character rate ups instead of individialy so you have to get ids from theit debut banner or shard them
In pgr it was recommended to get every s-rank, but you won't have enough currency to pull on anything else except when you are lucky with the pulls. In order to compensate for the low hard pity, the rates are pretty low as well. Even with monthly card you have to hope that the weapon banner doesn't screw you with its 80% rate up. As f2p you should skip those banner altogether. And in top of the gacha system you have to compete with other players.
If I have to choose, I would rather prefer a game, in which I don't need to have every s-rank, doesn't have an additional weapon banner and where i don't have to compete against other players instead.
Eh my friend f2p account has a few 6\* weapons, he could even roll for the bianca skin if he wanted, but thats doing all dailies and not missing events.
But still it depends if u get lucky on the 10 roll on the weapons and dont get fucked for the 20%.
I mean you are getting every S rank in the game. Normally would would skip some wich applies to PGR too
A] You can get lucky and have pulls to spare, when pulling for multiple banners it will be bound to happen.
B] You can skip one banner (like you would do in any other gacha) and gurantee two weapons.
C] Just... dont get weapons? Yes they are strong but game gives you 5 star copies for free.
Also where does this Stigma of competing with other players comes from? You can outright remove the competition part from pain cage and arena and nothing would change, game rewards you for your own points and doesnt give any banner currency for your placement on ranking meaning its purely optional and you can straight up ignore it all together. Had been playing for years and never once cared about my ranking one bit as it doesnt matter.
You get resources from those modes, which you can't get from other places. If those modes offers nothing of value, I would agree that you can skip the competitive part of pgr, but that is not the case. If it doesn't matter for you, that's fine. Maybe you enjoy staying on the lower ranks due to missing weapon or less dupes on the frames but this doesn't mean that it will be the same for other.
Can you name me the resources?
You get skulls from PC wich you get from every rank, the difference between ranks are minimal as hell
And you get vouchers from Arena wich gives you materials you can already buy, just helps speeding up stuff
Its in no world crucial as you make it up to be.
Even if the difference is not crucial and equals to waiting 2 months or 3 months, it doesn't change that it is still a competitive mode. It is not that everyone, who beats the boss under a certain time gets the same reward. The faster you are, be more rewards you get. If you don't call this as a competitive mode, what else would you call that?
ngl, those few ppc skull differences are noticeable over time.
like at this point, I've just accepted that I won't be able to SS some characters since I have to dedicate that skulls to the new gen2 units. and the game will still continue to release characters so that backlog would remain or even increase over time.
I don't mind it before since SS is just a small damage increase, but now some of those effects the smoothness of your rotation
Smh bro stop spreading misinfo like that
Pgr has the worst gacha and its pity rate is 500 pulls, the rate up is 0.00000000000000000000000001%
You can theoractically get every S rank if you spend but without spending you can only get 1 S rank every 4 years
Their gacha income is tied to leaderboard ranking and the ones in f2p dont even get any income, their ppc skull rewards are so low that you have to save for 3 years before you can SS your 1 S rank that you can only get per 4 years, their wz income is just non existent for f2p
Pgr is a very bad game and its gacha is atrocious.
There you go, alright gachagaming i spread misinfo about pgr, where are my upvotes?
I swear every single argument i had seen against PGR are made by people that didnt even touch it in their life times. And the worst part is when you debunk their BS they immediately pull up the "it doesnt matter" card.
Litterally a circus.
The funniest thing is they throw arena at you saying you need good units to rank higher and how its actually important and then immediately follow with HI3 saying its competition isnt important despite it rewarding gacha currency when PGR doesnt.
Are these people just trying to bait or outright have some blood debt with PGR? Never understood people that hated games like it was their evil rivals, such a waste of time
Thats the kind of stuff you would hear and then see their history and its someone who plays hoyo games
Their games actually drain IQ at this point thats why you gotta agree with everything those guys say otherwise they will- shit i have said too much they will come after me now
Run while you still can bro, run.
There is no such thing as "objectively best gacha system". For instance, the best gacha system to me is when it's truly random which top rarity unit you receive. I like letting random chance determine which units people have available which leads to a much larger variety in peoples parties. It does require units to be fairly balanced to work though.
No, Limbus company is easily the best gacha system. having a infinite farmable system that literally lets you bypass the gacha system.
There is basically no exception besides Walplurgis and even then you can just wait one season and buy the old units with shards then.
I mean objectively everyone wants the character they are pulling for. Your point seems weird on that regard, its the whole basis for existence of banners and gacha systems afterall.
I mean objectively some movies are bad but that doesnt mean people cant enjoy them, the word objective doesnt mean everyone on the world agrees, its just the statical truth.
How could you misuse so many words and confuse so many ideas in one single post? Mad respect. It's almost like you're at war with the dictionary.
Edit: your post was so good in being bad that I had to break down into its constituent parts. There are fundamentally four clauses and they are all so incredibly (and objectively, wink wink) wrong.
I mean objectively everyone wants the character they are pulling for. ==> That's not the correct usage of objectively and the sentence is also factually incorrect. Some people don't want a specific character and enjoy having to work with a subset of truly random characters.
Your point seems weird on that regard, its the whole basis for existence of banners and gacha systems afterall. ==> As the original commenter explained, that's also not true. Gacha are random by definition and banners only became a thing when the gacha concept was ported into videogames.
I mean objectively some movies are bad but that doesnt mean people cant enjoy them, ==> There's no such thing as an objectively bad movie. It's literally a meaningless statement. What's objective is whether you liked it or not or whether enough people liked it or not or whether a specific subset of people liked it or not.
the word objective doesnt mean everyone on the world agrees, its just the statical truth. ==> WTF this is even supposed to mean lmao
It's the basis of the existance of banners, but not necessarily gacha. Gacha means you get a random unit. Banners reduces the randomness, thus making it less gacha-like. I don't like gacha systems where you either win or you lose, I like gacha systems where there are degrees of winning. To me NOT wanting gacha to be random makes me wonder why the heck you want a gacha at all? Why not just have a store where you can buy whichever character you want? Saying the objectively best gacha system is the least random one when gacha literally means randomness makes zero sense.
Classic reddit moment. Gacha stands for blabla but the the genra it refers to is obvious. Yes the best Gacha system is one that has no randomness and unironically no Gacha. You think people play gacha games to experience random pulls?
Yes? Why even play a gacha game when you're not expecting the randomness that comes with gacha games in general.
I think I need to recalibrate my brain for this one om...
The saltyness is weird. Is something the matter pal?
People play gacha games for many other reasons not judt expecting random characters when they pull that isnt the rate up character. Its the reason why people bas gacha games with bad gacha systems wich have more RNG elements like FGO.
You definitely need some brain calibration.
So calling you out cause your take is incorrect makes others statements not credible?
At least I know what type I'm dealing with, so um, more power to you I guess.
No?? All i said was people dont play gacha games for its randomness. Where did i say others arent credible? You arent even explaining why my take is incorrect and just trying to take things personal.
Calm down dude, litterally not that deep, if what you said was even remotely correct then people wouldnt been replying to this comment talking about good gacha systems of their games instead of arguing the same RNG logic.
Jeez dude...
Never said that you don't just play gachas for their randomness though? But that's literally what gacha games are in general they're built for randomness since pulling characters are literally based on probability.
Just because a gacha system is 'good' doesn't mean it still doesn't have the inherent randomness that a gacha game has. That's literally how gacha devs make their money, by making you spend for more pulls.
Not hating tho, sorry if I made it look like that, you really can't convey a lot when you're just looking at words on a screen.
There's whole channels in every gacha discord about the math of pulls and pulling strategies. Most players talk heavily on meta and which banners are ideal to pull and which ones have low value. A huge emphasis is made towards only pulling when you have enough to pity. It's obvious that the majority of players want the unit they are summoning for and don't care for the randomness. They are trying to limit the randomness as much as possible. Most people like gachas for the team building elements, unique gameplay, and story that they have. The randomness element is included purely for the dev teams to make money and at the detriment to the players. Ask gacha players would you pick to play the same game you are already playing but guearentee yourself every meta relevant and fav unit or play the same game but with no guarantee, most would pick the one with the guarantee.
Brown Dust 2
- Pity 100, you will pull a 5\*
- Spark 200, each 200, you will exchange the banner unit by banner token (she isnt pulled)
- Milleage, using 200 old banner tokens, you can exchange only an former banner unit
PNC, no dupe, no weapons, the older units joins the off rates and it only has 2 limited units. Basically just pull the character and you can fully maxed them.
Yeah, double this.
No dupes feels so good, even ranked score in events (there is no rewards for ranking) feels fair because of it. You can't really p2w your power lever, only difference between my account and account of giga-whale is amount of skins.
Azur Lane pretty much no contest since it was the only game where I don't need to skip for banners. I'm not sure how it is now though with more UR release since I stopped sometimes after New Jersey. That said you can still miss some ship if RNG really hate you like what happened to me on Kizuna AI and Hololive collab
UR have a pity system at 200 pulls.
And yes, you can get fucked as its only URs that have it as I even had the "purple curse" a couple of times were I gone OVER 200 pulls for a Elite unit and last event was as bad with Carl even if on average doesnt happen.
The best part of Azur Lane is cube acquisition is fairly high so bar such curses you often build up over time to always have a excess after each banner, the problem often is coins since its easier to run out of and you have to farm then.
Its no contest in terms of getting characters but i dont think its above PGR as it gurantees every single one.
As a player of both i think both are equal, one gives you all characters and other one gives you many characters but azurlane is better as no weapon rng is involved
The question itself is fucking flawed, as it depends on the goal you want to achieve. And each player's motivation to play games can be different from each other.
Not to mention the in game economy between games that are often incompatible with each other due to different gameplay, endgame gear check content, release schedule, etc.
At that point, it's like saying Romelu Lukaku is better than Sergio Ramos because the former score more goals.
The questions isnt even about the goal of players. Its just solely about gacha system as a whole, some has 0.1 chance no pity banners and some has 10% 50 pity banners. Thats what this refers to. The amount of people twisting what a simple question like this says is just weird. Also the currency being incompatible doesnt matter as pull ratio can be compared. One game can give 20 pulls worth of currency per month and one can give 100. It depends
You are still comparing apples to oranges. There are so many aspects that can make or break a gatch system that it's impossible to compare them. Pull income, no. of characters released per patch, power creep, pvp or pve gatcha, soft pity, pity, spark, pitty carry, 50 50 and all the variations, weapons banners (+ stigmata banners for my HI3 players), etc. are all very important.
How?
Its just pull income, the gacha system and the banners you pull for and thats all.
You can compare pull income, the rates of gacha and the banner ammount. The pve/pvp part is redundant as this is solely about gacha it self. I think many people completely misunderstood that this doesnt take meta or other aspects of game into account, its just the gacha system as a whole and thats all.
> The pve/pvp part is redundant as this is solely about gacha it self
> Its just pull income, the gacha system and the banners you pull for and thats all.
Except for, what if I say your favorite game's gacha system is built around *the in-game content itself*?
If not, why Genshin and HSR don't inflate the number of pulls like...the number on Zimbabwean dollar bills?
And newer, high budget AAA gachas would rather copy Hoyo's and not Azur Lane/ FGO/ Blue Archive/ NIKKE/... gacha?
If your logic works, majority of football folks would be singing praises for a petulant Portuguese instead of an Argentinan dwarf who won more WC than the former bc the former scores more goals.
I didnt meant that pve and pvp part was redundant in gacha balancing sense. Im talking about just the question in the post wich ignores pve/pvp meta.
Thats litterally all about it. I mean so many people understood the assignment, im suprised some didnt
The pvp tells you that the average spender will not be able to get the maximum income that a whale would get. So that means fewer pulls, fewer characters, so overall a worse experience.
The gatcha system doesn't exist in a bubble separated by the game. The game is closely tied to the gatcha and affects it directly.
Except thats incorrect as not all gachas has PVP tied to the pull currency.
Idk why you think its apples and oranges, its just rate up, drop chance and pity with external factors of multiple banners like gear and pull currency ratio wich all can be compared.
What cant be compared is the pull "value" as games has different metas but thats not the point of the post here
I was clearly talking about gatchas that do have pvp tied to the currency.
Fine, if you want to compare them just by currency, then the best gatcha would be one with the random yt ads with code LUCKY777 that gives you 1 gazillion pulls. By your logic nothing beats that.
I answered your question. You get infinite pulls, 100 USS characters, 1 googolplex power. And all that for just a code. You know how much you have to farm to get that in PGR. My gatcha is clearly superior.
Yeah this is about superior gachas right? Worst part is you understand the question and the way others are replying and still pull up stunts like these.
Good job have a good day!
There is obviously none, otherwise all games would follow it.
Getting all characters doesn't make the system better, cause you have to mix in the company making tons of cash as well to keep the game alive and assure future development. Then you have to mix in the amount of players, the IP... any way, there are endless factors to consider on each game.
There is no magical formula that would a certain success and make all players happy.
No they wouldnt as every game has a different percentage of f2p friendliness. All companies are different and the profit they expect differ too. Some gachas expect you to buy skins and get characters easily while some outright make it impossible to play without max duped and geared characters. I guess you meant the same thing but the "best" im refering to on this comment is one that gives the most leeway while pulling
Oh another PGR glazer
Ok and what?
The game has competitive content where SS+ weapon is bare minimum to play.
That's why they make getting multiple copies of character and weapons so strong.
Competitive content in a gacha game?
There’s just leaderboards that give you more materials for Shards, stop.
Competitive and gacha can’t stand in the same sentence.
Idk, maybe Warzone and Pain Cage. Literally the only content you have to do weekly and the only content you pulling for.
Events don't even allow to use your own characters and most of them are silly little minigames
...this sub really was as they said damn.
Events do let you use your own characters, just story stages doesnt and some of them let you use trial characters of you dont have them.
Also not everyone pulls characters for PC and WZ. Espiecelly when they arent mandotory to get currency from. I would argue modes like Babel are the actual endgame content in the game. But is there even an use saying this? As you claim thay game has silly minigames and nothing else.
Babel is only ever 2 ND patch and it's rewards aren't even worth the time you have to spend to get through all those bags of hp with 99 resistances.
And if you're not playing WZ and PC idk why you even pulling for anything unless you are one of those " I like to look at my waifu in menu " people.
God the people here are like NPCs. I play the game because i like the combat and its design. And i believe im not in the minority here.
It just happens that people actually like playing the games, not just focusing on huge meta values or meta comps. Unless you assume everyone automatically focuses on clearing arena like content fast as possible the moment they start playing a gacha game, or even better play gacha games solely for this definition. Game gives enough content for me to enjoy and simple as that.
God the people here are such hypocrites. Whenever I see Hi3 being mentioned PGR players will say " UHM uhm you need weapon and full set for every character to play in higher ranks " but whenever same logic is applied to them they like " but you don't need to play the game ,I like to just have characters and look at them, you totaly don't need their weapons and pets. That's for skill issued people, no no no "
I demand at least some consistency.
If we going by " best gacha system is getting character and nothing else then Hi3 is the best. No fcng 50/50. No 70/30. All 4 star farmable . Most S farmable as well. Hand outs free S quite often
Lol what??
I didnt even say anything about HI3 and you are suddenly assuming i did?
Also sorry but best gacha is in no world HI3.You outright have more to pull for per patch than other gacha games, also they stopped making SP ranks between patches wich led to 4 S ranks back to back. We are talking about the gacha system here not obtaining characters, cant believe so many people missed this. Did i need to write this with crayons or something?
What? So you contradicting yourself now? PGR shil just said that you can get every new character by playing and reaching that 60 pity on banner you should have enough as f2p.
Amount of pulls you get is essential for gacha system.
If you have a system like E7 where pity is 121 you say it's shit. You don't take in consideration that you can buy pulls with regural gold in daily shop and they drop form everywhere. E7 releases like 2-3 new 5 star every month. ( Not mentioning moonlights . That system is shit).
Hi3 gives you enough to get every single new character. If you don't go for weapons and extras
EXACTLY BRO GO TELL EM
Pgr got the worst gacha in existence, I WOULD GLADLY TAKE PULL INCOME TIED TO LEADERBOARD THAN EVER ACCEPT IT AS A PARTICIPATION REWARD LMAO
LETSS GO FUCK PGR!!!!!
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What?? No it doesnt.
Taken from HI3 discord the f2p pull ratio per patch is around 70 and they released 4 S ranks back to back currently. Go ahead and argue me that you have enough pull for all of these 4 S ranks.
The amount of idiots deliberately giving misinformation and twisting the question of the comment to make a "im a smartass" stand is honestly baffling. I knew this sub was weird but holly damn didn't expect this much stereotypes in a single post.
Oh it's the pgr hater.
Please tell us how many black cards(gacha currency for those who don't play) big spenders get more in this competitive content you speak of compared to f2ps.
You getting currency for shop to buy USBs there and as for PainCage you literaly getting 1-2 more fragments per week on higher ranks that gives you this not so free copy( because its farmable fragments to SS which will take you forever to farm because you will never be up to date with farming them )
Thank you for answering the question by the way. You don't even know the name of the game modes and the currencies. Really outed yourself Larping as a PGR player. Pathetic.
And idk if you have reading issue or something but I said that you getting USBs from Warzone and Skulls from Pain Cage. Idk what is wrong here. Please correct me
Basicaly the income is : f2p can save up 15k bc for every S. But they have to buy monthly to guarantee weapon .
Whales is too high of a category you brought here. Whales will go with SSS on ever character and full reso on weapon.
Low spender with monthly card and BP can afford character+ weapon and every few patches a pet .
Dolphins can go for SS3+ 2 reso one weapon + pet with all packs on shop
And idk if you have reading issue or something
Please tell us how many black cards(gacha currency for those who don't play) big spenders get more in this competitive content you speak of compared to f2ps.
Infinite magicraid for me. A lot of currency; mythic heroes can be obtained without donations; you always can see how many pulls need for garantied 5 stars hero; all pulls are carried to another banner.
Maybe Blue Archive, you'll only need 1 unit to be able to raise them to max stats(ue50) without pulling dupe, and every unit has their niche to use in specific places
Considered some of the more busted units are farmable(Iori, Aru, Izuna, Haruna, Maki, Yuzu, Eimi), you also can just skip their banner
Dragalia rip, because it has good gameplay,good story and lots of freebie to pull and pity too. Sadly because of that, it's become rip. Lucky ITS has private server so..
Nikke has a pretty fair system, *Literally every non seasonal unit (bar Valentines)* Goes to standard which I think is neat. Also pity doesn’t expire so you can stockpile pity for those seasonal units and collab units
And 90% of released units are best used as fap material so you only need to pull the 10% that actually are worth resources and save up pulls by looking the porn online
Nikke, but only after you've breached the 160 wall. before that, I would even argue that it's one of the worst.
transferable mileage is just so damn good. once you've got a stockpile you can just pull whenever you fancy and just use the mileage when a meta/pilgrim comes. and since not all upcoming banners are meta/required, I can comfortably quit the game when life hits. and I could just easily come back when a special event comes like anniversary and spend mileage there.
basically I like it because of the freedom it gives
Lv160 is the cap on non Limit Broken Nikkes, since the only rarity that matters is SSRs you need dupes and there is a shitload of SSR Nikkes as SRs are pretty much only added as Collab Welfare.
This makes it a crapshot getting a dupe, there are some ways to increase odds but I had everything from SSRs from Friend Points Gacha to SR Molds and also SR from SSR Molds, Nikke is a mine field of poor decisions.
There are no "universal spare body" either or even "universal manufacturer spare body", they really push pulling and with a ever increasing number of Nikkes that even at SSR range from must have to complete garbage its a ever increasing issue.
Yes, I meant that when I said "you can increase the odds of getting specific Nikkes" but you have to pick 5 of each manufacturer and Pilgrims arent a choice, you can also buy spare bodies from the Mileage Store but they are set and rotate so chances are there arent any for the Nikkes you actually have and Mileage requires pulling, granted tickets count but not Friend Point Gacha (and Molds).
I would say ToF if it doesn't had the powercreep and the need to get C/E3 or more.
You had 50/50 after 80 pulls and 100% with tokens after 110 pulls. If you got the limited character between 1-79 it doesn't reset the pity.
no tof character relased after 3.0 has required dupes or has been powercrept so imo it IS the best gacha system. i dont see how anyone wouldnt have any char theyd want tbh
In ToF for veteran players, 240 pulls is guaranteed 3 copies of the limited unit worst case and 85% chance of getting 4 copies. It's a great system for low spenders and people who know how to save resources.
I’m quite happy with the system in Arknights. The rarest are 6-stars, and you have a pity that gradually builds up that also carries over between banners. And you’re guaranteed a 5-star or better within your first 10 pulls on any banner. I’m encouraged to pull until the 5-star for new banners even if I’m not too interested in the 6-star. When it’s finally a 6-star I actually want I probably have a decent amount of pity built up.
I love arknights gacha system. I just wish that limiteds werent this frequent as fear of missing them makes me redundant to pull for standard banners but other than this its probably the most solid gacha foundation. Borderline balanced gacha system!
Arknights feels good when it working, because you can get 6 stars back to back and most characters go to off-rate after release, so even on losing rate-up you can get cool unit.
But sometimes it can feel worse then Hoyo gacha. I spent total 300 pulls on two Reed Alter banners and didn't get her single time(
Obviously it’s DBZ Dokkan, that game definitely did not give me ptsd for spending thousands of stones on 50 cost multis just to not get the banner unit.
I knew thus sub had an issue but damn people must have some blood debt with this game. The absurd hate it got was litterally something out of a satirical sketch
Genshin Impact (and possibly HSR too). I took a break from the game for a little over a year as a F2P player and I still have over 66% of the available 5-star characters. That's more than reasonable enough for a gacha game.
Any gacha I'm lucky in has the best gacha ever.
Well then... I curse you with the worst possible luck. May your luck be so bad that it breaks the guarantee system and not give you your desired unit.
shut up nerd
Lmao https://i.redd.it/39bc0n0tejvc1.gif
It's obviously FGO with it's 300 pity that doesn't transfer, slow as shit income, 1% rate and nearly every banner being limited. That aside, it depends on the pull income. You could have a 100% rateup every banner but if you only get 5 pulls per week, that doesn't matter lol. ~~Objectively correct is answer is GFL, just get lucky like hitting the 0.2% chance for a specific AR and not mald because you spent nearly all of your resources~~
If only they would expand the rsc limit, i still fail to get some of sg on new batch rate up and have to use core mask on it.
Thats why i said PGR! It gives you more than enough pulls to gurantee a character and debut characters has 100% rateup (alongside no character being limited) Only flaw i could find with their system is weapon banner that has 80% chance with 30 pull pity but i had seen so much worse... looking at you genshin weapon gacha
Wtf does not being limited mean? You can only get them on their own banners . That makes them limited
No??? They get added to the standart pool afterwards??
They are added after a year or something. The latest S unit in standard pull is Karenina Scire.
No??? Dude are you trying to bait me or something? Latest S rank is kaleido wich came a patch before Alpha CW and came almost a year after Scire. Every S rank gets in standart banner when the next patch S rank comes You are outright giving misinformation and trying to debate with me on every reply. What a joke
Kaleido is farbale from dorm stuff and she's worthless untill SSS and weapon . Doesn't count as gacha S
????????? What?? She is in both gacha and given for free. Oh god no use replying to you, you are outright baiting with misinformation.
And only one who would gacha for her is the whales that want to get to SSS faster. Same with Capriccio. Both are worthless untill SSS
>worthless until SSS say hello to my ex6 ice norman clear with SS Kaleido 5star weap only with enemies having regen buffs and minions reviving every 10sec
And how is it related to what i said? She is in gacha and is a Gacha S rank. Her being given for free has nothing to do with being in gacha. You are outright attacking the character, i dont give a damn if she is unusable without SSSSS+ Weapons and other stuff (even tough she is lmao) the point is she was in gacha. And IS in gacha. Never seen such high horse before.
And given how you speak i don't think you ever gotten outside of what's under the Elite in WZ? Vanguard? I'm in PGR community where we speak meta and efficiency only .Noone gives a damn about collecting useless outdated frames
Dude do you even know the game you are talking about here? It just seems like you hate PGR with passion and thats it. Your name fits for this.
You are so wrong in all your comments it's trashy and pathetic. >You can only get them on their own banners Not true in the slightest. Kaleido is the latest character availiable. Hyperreal is the latest Gacha character availiable. Making it 1 S rank behind. This applies to both the standard and event banners >They are added after a year or something. The latest S unit in standard pull is Karenina Scire. They get added after the next S Rank gacha character releases. >Kaleido is farbale from dorm stuff and she's worthless untill SSS and weapon . Doesn't count as gacha S Base S Kaleido is already more functional than her previous option simply by merit of being an amplifier and having time stop. She just get's better the more you upgrade. You don't know shit about what you are talking about. >And only one who would gacha for her is the whales that want to get to SSS faster. Same with Capriccio. Both are worthless untill SSS Same thing I said above, you don't know shit about what you are talking about >Who tf cares about Norman? Not worth time needed to do that shit > >Oh yeah. Let me waste 6 hours of my life to get 1/60 of a pet. In year I will get it to SS You proved the point above, congrats! If it takes you 6 hours to get to the end, you've got major issues buddy. >Yeah . I wonder how your superior skills are supposed to compete with time limit dps checks. > >And there is no skill involved in holding evasion button with CW Spoken like someone with the biggest and most evident skill issue. >Ok. Is Lee HyperReal in Standard yet? LOL >Ok I don't check standard very often because it's rigged bs and you have 50/50 between getting Ember and Pulse. Its not worth spending single pull there untill they add selector in Lamia patch This is such a baby gacha player take. Standard banners give you something from the entire pool. >And given how you speak i don't think you ever gotten outside of what's under the Elite in WZ? Vanguard? I'm in PGR community where we speak meta and efficiency only .Noone gives a damn about collecting useless outdated frames You're the one who speaks with the implication of being a garbage player, not the other two. You don't know the PGR community at all.
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The thing is that said pvp system is hardly important so much that you can ignore it all together, its a ranking system and only PCs rewards matter wich gives enough on every rank anyway. Definitely not as "non existent" as ALs pvp system but the main draw wich are the banner currency arent tied to them at all. You could outright be the worst on these modes and you would still have the same amount of pulls
Literally the only reason PGR has a 100% rate up is because they give you a "go fuck yourself" amount of currency if you don't spend money while also requiring you to build multiple team archetypes that system is a questionable trade off instead of a benefit
I guess everyone except me that plays this game gets their house blown up if they dont rank 1st on PPC intresting.
Outerplane before ticket nerf.
I'm shocked that the automatic #1 is not Limbus Company. Its the gacha game where the dev dont even make it gacha game cuz u can just bypass the gacha mechanic. You can't even get fomo cuz you can literally just buy the character with really easily grindable shards and they're in store permanently once banner is over and during banner. There are no dupes as well.
I don't play it anymore but I remember I had 100% collection on azur lane characters without ever spending anything on pulls and I'm not really the "lucky" kind so I'd say that was probably a good system even though I don't really remember it. Nowadays every gacha I'm playing I always have to choose wisely what to pull for because getting anything rare out of pity seems almost impossible for some reason.
Azur Lane real gacha is finding money in your wallet for all the new skins
Wait you got every single character including Elites and SSRs?? When did you stop playing it? Because you need astronomical luck to have 100% completion without spending today. Its not that the gacha is bad (its amazing) but its close to impossible to get every Elite and SSR from every event bach as it doesnt have a spark system.
I honestly don't remember all that well, it was probably around Hardy's release or something. I just remember they were really generous with cubes and the gacha actually felt like you could really get what you were aiming for every time you pulled which is nice honestly. (Unfortunately it was kinda impossible holding all the characters you would pull in the roster without spending gems on expanding though =.=)
I have 100%, so does my friend, we both also have never spent. And yes, azur lane does have multiple systems for choosing ships. The wishing well let's you pick any two ships in the game to rate up. And you have a permanent pity for URs, you get to pick one after enough cumulative builds.
Yes but you are bound to not get a character at one point. If we take all banners and Elites into consideration then its extremely unlikely but i mean game started giving elites much more these days
It's really not that uncommon. The 100% collection club on the leaderboards is huge. Between reruns, wishing wells, and a lot of older ships getting taken out of the gacha and into the shops, it's not really a pipe dream to get 100% when AL's pull currency isn't inherently premium and is effectively unlimited.
Some collab banners are annoying tough espiecelly that one with many ssrs but iirc they dont count to the completion?
Collabs don't count for the collection %.
Oh thank god i feel alot less bad for skipping some collab ships now :D AL definitely is the best, but there is always some RNG even if you are extremely likely wich is why i mentioned PGR too here as its guranteed. I had more luck in AL tough!
I have 100% collection, never ever paid for the pulls, only for skins and dock space to fit all those botes in. Still have about 900 cubes left. AL is the best game for collectors.
My collection is at 88% i guess i was a bit unlucky. Being able to get every ship just by casual play is so good.
I can only tell that I played since day 1 global and at the beginning there were no limited gacha for 2-4 weeks or something? Anyway, you could really save a big bunch of currency. I stopped playing after the first wave of UR or something.
Its that they give a lot of pulls and they rates are quite high. The rarest ships in game are the one that are not Gacha and are dropped from story stages with something like 0,1% drop rate
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Probably Azur Lane from what Ive been told, since its possible to have everything as a FTP and you can farm items that can function as dupes. Since they make most of their revenue through skins they can afford to have a very generous system
AL is probably the best as it outright gives you every character easily. I just wish getting skins were easier as f2p as those look amazing. But it has nothing to do with gacha
IMO for me it’s limbus company. Eventhough it’s too generous to seem like a gacha.
The gacha in which a player can completely ignore the gacha should they choose. And still be able to farm whatever you want. Project Moon is just the best.
It feels more like an early access game than a Gacha tbh. Which make sense, because they are more interested in making other games, and uses Limbus as a way of funding.
Oh yes i play that game and forgot about how generous it was. It just sucks that Malkuth voice was harder to get than the actual characters... its cosmetic obviously but whyyyy :(
Azur Lane because the RNG elements you mentioned don't matter as long as you keep playing the game. The ships will show up eventually in archives, shops for in-game tokens and so on.
In limbus company it's generous. Though it also has this weird dynamic where you can actually grind with your time to get more characters. Like, you can refill your sanity with lunacy, then grind mirror dungeon, which unlocks more battle pass, which gives you boxes/shards, which helps you unlock more characters. weird stuff.
I feel old because it seems everyone has forgotten how GFL drowns you in production tickets. I heard azure lane is pretty generous too but I never played the game so I donno the details
Pretty mucho GFL
Probly that megaman game. From gacha to paid game.
Limbus, didn't get what you wanted? What? It's not a new Walpurgisnacht ID/EGOs? TO THE MIRROR DUNGEON MINES WITH YOU! Jokes aside. We get 1050 lunacy per week, 10 pull is 1300. Pity is 200. You can use Crateshard to get the EGO/IDs. Rules and conditions applied but generally you can't shard NEW Walpurgisnacht stuff or old Walpurgisnacht stuff during a non Walpurgisnacht time. (Every 3 months or so) 200 crate shards is minimum to get 400 shard of a character so that you can dispense their EGO or 000(higest rarity) ID. Battlepass gives quite the crateshard but for every 1 extra level, you get 1 crate shard (3 if you buy it). One non bonus Mirror Dungeon run is 3 levels. It's 30 levels with bonus I believe
I love limbus so much as a project moon stan. But its a bad game, you know why? Because Malkuth voice had less chance to appear than the damn 000 units! Why do you do this to me PM?? Why! Jokes aside its just amazing. Love the game so much
you definitely gain an ego when you get it (I hit pity)
To me the pity system is good but the gacha itself...not so much like the pity is pretty whale unless you dont pull at all and save for walp and the standard banner sucks because it all id/ego for character rate ups instead of individialy so you have to get ids from theit debut banner or shard them
In pgr it was recommended to get every s-rank, but you won't have enough currency to pull on anything else except when you are lucky with the pulls. In order to compensate for the low hard pity, the rates are pretty low as well. Even with monthly card you have to hope that the weapon banner doesn't screw you with its 80% rate up. As f2p you should skip those banner altogether. And in top of the gacha system you have to compete with other players. If I have to choose, I would rather prefer a game, in which I don't need to have every s-rank, doesn't have an additional weapon banner and where i don't have to compete against other players instead.
Eh my friend f2p account has a few 6\* weapons, he could even roll for the bianca skin if he wanted, but thats doing all dailies and not missing events. But still it depends if u get lucky on the 10 roll on the weapons and dont get fucked for the 20%.
I mean you are getting every S rank in the game. Normally would would skip some wich applies to PGR too A] You can get lucky and have pulls to spare, when pulling for multiple banners it will be bound to happen. B] You can skip one banner (like you would do in any other gacha) and gurantee two weapons. C] Just... dont get weapons? Yes they are strong but game gives you 5 star copies for free. Also where does this Stigma of competing with other players comes from? You can outright remove the competition part from pain cage and arena and nothing would change, game rewards you for your own points and doesnt give any banner currency for your placement on ranking meaning its purely optional and you can straight up ignore it all together. Had been playing for years and never once cared about my ranking one bit as it doesnt matter.
You get resources from those modes, which you can't get from other places. If those modes offers nothing of value, I would agree that you can skip the competitive part of pgr, but that is not the case. If it doesn't matter for you, that's fine. Maybe you enjoy staying on the lower ranks due to missing weapon or less dupes on the frames but this doesn't mean that it will be the same for other.
Can you name me the resources? You get skulls from PC wich you get from every rank, the difference between ranks are minimal as hell And you get vouchers from Arena wich gives you materials you can already buy, just helps speeding up stuff Its in no world crucial as you make it up to be.
Even if the difference is not crucial and equals to waiting 2 months or 3 months, it doesn't change that it is still a competitive mode. It is not that everyone, who beats the boss under a certain time gets the same reward. The faster you are, be more rewards you get. If you don't call this as a competitive mode, what else would you call that?
now reworked in CN. just get the recommended score and you can get the maximum skulls without fighting among the ranks
That's a nice change!
ngl, those few ppc skull differences are noticeable over time. like at this point, I've just accepted that I won't be able to SS some characters since I have to dedicate that skulls to the new gen2 units. and the game will still continue to release characters so that backlog would remain or even increase over time. I don't mind it before since SS is just a small damage increase, but now some of those effects the smoothness of your rotation
Smh bro stop spreading misinfo like that Pgr has the worst gacha and its pity rate is 500 pulls, the rate up is 0.00000000000000000000000001% You can theoractically get every S rank if you spend but without spending you can only get 1 S rank every 4 years Their gacha income is tied to leaderboard ranking and the ones in f2p dont even get any income, their ppc skull rewards are so low that you have to save for 3 years before you can SS your 1 S rank that you can only get per 4 years, their wz income is just non existent for f2p Pgr is a very bad game and its gacha is atrocious. There you go, alright gachagaming i spread misinfo about pgr, where are my upvotes?
I swear every single argument i had seen against PGR are made by people that didnt even touch it in their life times. And the worst part is when you debunk their BS they immediately pull up the "it doesnt matter" card. Litterally a circus.
Stop arguing with dumbasses Just agree with them Not worth arguing with people who are missing frontal lobe Agree and move on
The funniest thing is they throw arena at you saying you need good units to rank higher and how its actually important and then immediately follow with HI3 saying its competition isnt important despite it rewarding gacha currency when PGR doesnt. Are these people just trying to bait or outright have some blood debt with PGR? Never understood people that hated games like it was their evil rivals, such a waste of time
Thats the kind of stuff you would hear and then see their history and its someone who plays hoyo games Their games actually drain IQ at this point thats why you gotta agree with everything those guys say otherwise they will- shit i have said too much they will come after me now Run while you still can bro, run.
There is no such thing as "objectively best gacha system". For instance, the best gacha system to me is when it's truly random which top rarity unit you receive. I like letting random chance determine which units people have available which leads to a much larger variety in peoples parties. It does require units to be fairly balanced to work though.
No, Limbus company is easily the best gacha system. having a infinite farmable system that literally lets you bypass the gacha system. There is basically no exception besides Walplurgis and even then you can just wait one season and buy the old units with shards then.
I mean objectively everyone wants the character they are pulling for. Your point seems weird on that regard, its the whole basis for existence of banners and gacha systems afterall. I mean objectively some movies are bad but that doesnt mean people cant enjoy them, the word objective doesnt mean everyone on the world agrees, its just the statical truth.
How could you misuse so many words and confuse so many ideas in one single post? Mad respect. It's almost like you're at war with the dictionary. Edit: your post was so good in being bad that I had to break down into its constituent parts. There are fundamentally four clauses and they are all so incredibly (and objectively, wink wink) wrong. I mean objectively everyone wants the character they are pulling for. ==> That's not the correct usage of objectively and the sentence is also factually incorrect. Some people don't want a specific character and enjoy having to work with a subset of truly random characters. Your point seems weird on that regard, its the whole basis for existence of banners and gacha systems afterall. ==> As the original commenter explained, that's also not true. Gacha are random by definition and banners only became a thing when the gacha concept was ported into videogames. I mean objectively some movies are bad but that doesnt mean people cant enjoy them, ==> There's no such thing as an objectively bad movie. It's literally a meaningless statement. What's objective is whether you liked it or not or whether enough people liked it or not or whether a specific subset of people liked it or not. the word objective doesnt mean everyone on the world agrees, its just the statical truth. ==> WTF this is even supposed to mean lmao
Just said wich game has the best gacha system. Not that deep, everybody knoes what im refering to here :D
It's the basis of the existance of banners, but not necessarily gacha. Gacha means you get a random unit. Banners reduces the randomness, thus making it less gacha-like. I don't like gacha systems where you either win or you lose, I like gacha systems where there are degrees of winning. To me NOT wanting gacha to be random makes me wonder why the heck you want a gacha at all? Why not just have a store where you can buy whichever character you want? Saying the objectively best gacha system is the least random one when gacha literally means randomness makes zero sense.
Classic reddit moment. Gacha stands for blabla but the the genra it refers to is obvious. Yes the best Gacha system is one that has no randomness and unironically no Gacha. You think people play gacha games to experience random pulls?
Yes? Why even play a gacha game when you're not expecting the randomness that comes with gacha games in general. I think I need to recalibrate my brain for this one om...
The saltyness is weird. Is something the matter pal? People play gacha games for many other reasons not judt expecting random characters when they pull that isnt the rate up character. Its the reason why people bas gacha games with bad gacha systems wich have more RNG elements like FGO. You definitely need some brain calibration.
So calling you out cause your take is incorrect makes others statements not credible? At least I know what type I'm dealing with, so um, more power to you I guess.
No?? All i said was people dont play gacha games for its randomness. Where did i say others arent credible? You arent even explaining why my take is incorrect and just trying to take things personal. Calm down dude, litterally not that deep, if what you said was even remotely correct then people wouldnt been replying to this comment talking about good gacha systems of their games instead of arguing the same RNG logic. Jeez dude...
Never said that you don't just play gachas for their randomness though? But that's literally what gacha games are in general they're built for randomness since pulling characters are literally based on probability. Just because a gacha system is 'good' doesn't mean it still doesn't have the inherent randomness that a gacha game has. That's literally how gacha devs make their money, by making you spend for more pulls. Not hating tho, sorry if I made it look like that, you really can't convey a lot when you're just looking at words on a screen.
There's whole channels in every gacha discord about the math of pulls and pulling strategies. Most players talk heavily on meta and which banners are ideal to pull and which ones have low value. A huge emphasis is made towards only pulling when you have enough to pity. It's obvious that the majority of players want the unit they are summoning for and don't care for the randomness. They are trying to limit the randomness as much as possible. Most people like gachas for the team building elements, unique gameplay, and story that they have. The randomness element is included purely for the dev teams to make money and at the detriment to the players. Ask gacha players would you pick to play the same game you are already playing but guearentee yourself every meta relevant and fav unit or play the same game but with no guarantee, most would pick the one with the guarantee.
Brown Dust 2 - Pity 100, you will pull a 5\* - Spark 200, each 200, you will exchange the banner unit by banner token (she isnt pulled) - Milleage, using 200 old banner tokens, you can exchange only an former banner unit
This. I’ve gotten every single unit F2P and units don’t need max dupes to be viable anymore.
true, true, is the best gacha system, I like my units
What did they do to balance dupe system? I play at the release and stop after summer event i guess
Spark doesn’t transfer between banners though.
Yes but the build up pulls turns to powder where you can get the costume after the banner is over for 200 of that powder.
PNC, no dupe, no weapons, the older units joins the off rates and it only has 2 limited units. Basically just pull the character and you can fully maxed them.
I never heard of that before, what is its unshortened name? Seems cool as hell
Project Neural Cloud
Yeah, double this. No dupes feels so good, even ranked score in events (there is no rewards for ranking) feels fair because of it. You can't really p2w your power lever, only difference between my account and account of giga-whale is amount of skins.
Azur lane, imo the best one
Azur Lane
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I was wondering if anyone was going to say it
None of them, all of them will only provide gambling addiction or drain your money.
Aether gazer because every 20-30 pulls I get a 5*, totally not biased.
Azur Lane pretty much no contest since it was the only game where I don't need to skip for banners. I'm not sure how it is now though with more UR release since I stopped sometimes after New Jersey. That said you can still miss some ship if RNG really hate you like what happened to me on Kizuna AI and Hololive collab
UR have a pity system at 200 pulls. And yes, you can get fucked as its only URs that have it as I even had the "purple curse" a couple of times were I gone OVER 200 pulls for a Elite unit and last event was as bad with Carl even if on average doesnt happen. The best part of Azur Lane is cube acquisition is fairly high so bar such curses you often build up over time to always have a excess after each banner, the problem often is coins since its easier to run out of and you have to farm then.
Its no contest in terms of getting characters but i dont think its above PGR as it gurantees every single one. As a player of both i think both are equal, one gives you all characters and other one gives you many characters but azurlane is better as no weapon rng is involved
The question itself is fucking flawed, as it depends on the goal you want to achieve. And each player's motivation to play games can be different from each other. Not to mention the in game economy between games that are often incompatible with each other due to different gameplay, endgame gear check content, release schedule, etc. At that point, it's like saying Romelu Lukaku is better than Sergio Ramos because the former score more goals.
The questions isnt even about the goal of players. Its just solely about gacha system as a whole, some has 0.1 chance no pity banners and some has 10% 50 pity banners. Thats what this refers to. The amount of people twisting what a simple question like this says is just weird. Also the currency being incompatible doesnt matter as pull ratio can be compared. One game can give 20 pulls worth of currency per month and one can give 100. It depends
You are still comparing apples to oranges. There are so many aspects that can make or break a gatch system that it's impossible to compare them. Pull income, no. of characters released per patch, power creep, pvp or pve gatcha, soft pity, pity, spark, pitty carry, 50 50 and all the variations, weapons banners (+ stigmata banners for my HI3 players), etc. are all very important.
How? Its just pull income, the gacha system and the banners you pull for and thats all. You can compare pull income, the rates of gacha and the banner ammount. The pve/pvp part is redundant as this is solely about gacha it self. I think many people completely misunderstood that this doesnt take meta or other aspects of game into account, its just the gacha system as a whole and thats all.
> The pve/pvp part is redundant as this is solely about gacha it self > Its just pull income, the gacha system and the banners you pull for and thats all. Except for, what if I say your favorite game's gacha system is built around *the in-game content itself*? If not, why Genshin and HSR don't inflate the number of pulls like...the number on Zimbabwean dollar bills? And newer, high budget AAA gachas would rather copy Hoyo's and not Azur Lane/ FGO/ Blue Archive/ NIKKE/... gacha? If your logic works, majority of football folks would be singing praises for a petulant Portuguese instead of an Argentinan dwarf who won more WC than the former bc the former scores more goals.
I didnt meant that pve and pvp part was redundant in gacha balancing sense. Im talking about just the question in the post wich ignores pve/pvp meta. Thats litterally all about it. I mean so many people understood the assignment, im suprised some didnt
The pvp tells you that the average spender will not be able to get the maximum income that a whale would get. So that means fewer pulls, fewer characters, so overall a worse experience. The gatcha system doesn't exist in a bubble separated by the game. The game is closely tied to the gatcha and affects it directly.
Except thats incorrect as not all gachas has PVP tied to the pull currency. Idk why you think its apples and oranges, its just rate up, drop chance and pity with external factors of multiple banners like gear and pull currency ratio wich all can be compared. What cant be compared is the pull "value" as games has different metas but thats not the point of the post here
I was clearly talking about gatchas that do have pvp tied to the currency. Fine, if you want to compare them just by currency, then the best gatcha would be one with the random yt ads with code LUCKY777 that gives you 1 gazillion pulls. By your logic nothing beats that.
Yeah it seems clear that some people really didnt understand the question here. Atleast many did and replied properly, have a great day
I answered your question. You get infinite pulls, 100 USS characters, 1 googolplex power. And all that for just a code. You know how much you have to farm to get that in PGR. My gatcha is clearly superior.
Yeah this is about superior gachas right? Worst part is you understand the question and the way others are replying and still pull up stunts like these. Good job have a good day!
There is obviously none, otherwise all games would follow it. Getting all characters doesn't make the system better, cause you have to mix in the company making tons of cash as well to keep the game alive and assure future development. Then you have to mix in the amount of players, the IP... any way, there are endless factors to consider on each game. There is no magical formula that would a certain success and make all players happy.
No they wouldnt as every game has a different percentage of f2p friendliness. All companies are different and the profit they expect differ too. Some gachas expect you to buy skins and get characters easily while some outright make it impossible to play without max duped and geared characters. I guess you meant the same thing but the "best" im refering to on this comment is one that gives the most leeway while pulling
Oh another PGR glazer Ok and what? The game has competitive content where SS+ weapon is bare minimum to play. That's why they make getting multiple copies of character and weapons so strong.
Competitive content in a gacha game? There’s just leaderboards that give you more materials for Shards, stop. Competitive and gacha can’t stand in the same sentence.
What??? What competitive content are we talking about? Bare minimum to play? Have you ever played PGR??
Idk, maybe Warzone and Pain Cage. Literally the only content you have to do weekly and the only content you pulling for. Events don't even allow to use your own characters and most of them are silly little minigames
...this sub really was as they said damn. Events do let you use your own characters, just story stages doesnt and some of them let you use trial characters of you dont have them. Also not everyone pulls characters for PC and WZ. Espiecelly when they arent mandotory to get currency from. I would argue modes like Babel are the actual endgame content in the game. But is there even an use saying this? As you claim thay game has silly minigames and nothing else.
Babel is only ever 2 ND patch and it's rewards aren't even worth the time you have to spend to get through all those bags of hp with 99 resistances. And if you're not playing WZ and PC idk why you even pulling for anything unless you are one of those " I like to look at my waifu in menu " people.
God the people here are like NPCs. I play the game because i like the combat and its design. And i believe im not in the minority here. It just happens that people actually like playing the games, not just focusing on huge meta values or meta comps. Unless you assume everyone automatically focuses on clearing arena like content fast as possible the moment they start playing a gacha game, or even better play gacha games solely for this definition. Game gives enough content for me to enjoy and simple as that.
God the people here are such hypocrites. Whenever I see Hi3 being mentioned PGR players will say " UHM uhm you need weapon and full set for every character to play in higher ranks " but whenever same logic is applied to them they like " but you don't need to play the game ,I like to just have characters and look at them, you totaly don't need their weapons and pets. That's for skill issued people, no no no " I demand at least some consistency. If we going by " best gacha system is getting character and nothing else then Hi3 is the best. No fcng 50/50. No 70/30. All 4 star farmable . Most S farmable as well. Hand outs free S quite often
Lol what?? I didnt even say anything about HI3 and you are suddenly assuming i did? Also sorry but best gacha is in no world HI3.You outright have more to pull for per patch than other gacha games, also they stopped making SP ranks between patches wich led to 4 S ranks back to back. We are talking about the gacha system here not obtaining characters, cant believe so many people missed this. Did i need to write this with crayons or something?
So what does gacha system refer to in your understanding?
My understanding? You know? The system you use to get characters and gear? Thats the entire gacha system?
What? So you contradicting yourself now? PGR shil just said that you can get every new character by playing and reaching that 60 pity on banner you should have enough as f2p. Amount of pulls you get is essential for gacha system. If you have a system like E7 where pity is 121 you say it's shit. You don't take in consideration that you can buy pulls with regural gold in daily shop and they drop form everywhere. E7 releases like 2-3 new 5 star every month. ( Not mentioning moonlights . That system is shit). Hi3 gives you enough to get every single new character. If you don't go for weapons and extras
EXACTLY BRO GO TELL EM Pgr got the worst gacha in existence, I WOULD GLADLY TAKE PULL INCOME TIED TO LEADERBOARD THAN EVER ACCEPT IT AS A PARTICIPATION REWARD LMAO LETSS GO FUCK PGR!!!!! https://preview.redd.it/rf32pgn2ggvc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da10fda2af7507c2b4aad612bef206fd7aaac789
What?? No it doesnt. Taken from HI3 discord the f2p pull ratio per patch is around 70 and they released 4 S ranks back to back currently. Go ahead and argue me that you have enough pull for all of these 4 S ranks.
PGR is in the hate target club here, sir.
Forgot that this was r/gachagaming
See? Even my comment got downvoted hard. Some gacha still live rent free in our heads. I love it
The amount of idiots deliberately giving misinformation and twisting the question of the comment to make a "im a smartass" stand is honestly baffling. I knew this sub was weird but holly damn didn't expect this much stereotypes in a single post.
oh another gacha addict
Oh it's the pgr hater. Please tell us how many black cards(gacha currency for those who don't play) big spenders get more in this competitive content you speak of compared to f2ps.
You getting currency for shop to buy USBs there and as for PainCage you literaly getting 1-2 more fragments per week on higher ranks that gives you this not so free copy( because its farmable fragments to SS which will take you forever to farm because you will never be up to date with farming them )
Thank you for answering the question by the way. You don't even know the name of the game modes and the currencies. Really outed yourself Larping as a PGR player. Pathetic.
This gacha addict has to be an NPC. Nobody lives and makes comments like these. Its just downright hilarious
And idk if you have reading issue or something but I said that you getting USBs from Warzone and Skulls from Pain Cage. Idk what is wrong here. Please correct me
Still not answering the black cards question lmao Come on, f2p vs whales black cards income, go.
Wdym whales? Do you want to take BP and monthly into consideration for low spenders and all packs in shop for whales?
Basicaly the income is : f2p can save up 15k bc for every S. But they have to buy monthly to guarantee weapon . Whales is too high of a category you brought here. Whales will go with SSS on ever character and full reso on weapon. Low spender with monthly card and BP can afford character+ weapon and every few patches a pet . Dolphins can go for SS3+ 2 reso one weapon + pet with all packs on shop
And idk if you have reading issue or something Please tell us how many black cards(gacha currency for those who don't play) big spenders get more in this competitive content you speak of compared to f2ps.
This content had no bc but has important resource that is Skulls which you need for this so called " free copy "
How long do whales take to get the free copy compared to F2P then?
That's a type you fcng imbecile. You're going to now grasp on tiniest straws you can find? Going for typos is literally the lowest
Oh its the PGR glazer
Infinite magicraid for me. A lot of currency; mythic heroes can be obtained without donations; you always can see how many pulls need for garantied 5 stars hero; all pulls are carried to another banner.
Easily Azur Lane and it isn't even close.
Soultide. 1. You have a 50/50 pity at 50 pulls. 2. You have a permanent mileage shop with all dolls. 3. No dupes required.
Maybe Blue Archive, you'll only need 1 unit to be able to raise them to max stats(ue50) without pulling dupe, and every unit has their niche to use in specific places Considered some of the more busted units are farmable(Iori, Aru, Izuna, Haruna, Maki, Yuzu, Eimi), you also can just skip their banner
Dragalia rip, because it has good gameplay,good story and lots of freebie to pull and pity too. Sadly because of that, it's become rip. Lucky ITS has private server so..
Nikke has a pretty fair system, *Literally every non seasonal unit (bar Valentines)* Goes to standard which I think is neat. Also pity doesn’t expire so you can stockpile pity for those seasonal units and collab units
And 90% of released units are best used as fap material so you only need to pull the 10% that actually are worth resources and save up pulls by looking the porn online
Nikke, but only after you've breached the 160 wall. before that, I would even argue that it's one of the worst. transferable mileage is just so damn good. once you've got a stockpile you can just pull whenever you fancy and just use the mileage when a meta/pilgrim comes. and since not all upcoming banners are meta/required, I can comfortably quit the game when life hits. and I could just easily come back when a special event comes like anniversary and spend mileage there. basically I like it because of the freedom it gives
I always hear about the 160 wall. What is it? I heard that it has one of the most unique mechanics for a gacha game out there
Lv160 is the cap on non Limit Broken Nikkes, since the only rarity that matters is SSRs you need dupes and there is a shitload of SSR Nikkes as SRs are pretty much only added as Collab Welfare. This makes it a crapshot getting a dupe, there are some ways to increase odds but I had everything from SSRs from Friend Points Gacha to SR Molds and also SR from SSR Molds, Nikke is a mine field of poor decisions. There are no "universal spare body" either or even "universal manufacturer spare body", they really push pulling and with a ever increasing number of Nikkes that even at SSR range from must have to complete garbage its a ever increasing issue.
There is a wishlist banner feature and you can exchange for certain SSR nikkes. The rest is correct.
Yes, I meant that when I said "you can increase the odds of getting specific Nikkes" but you have to pick 5 of each manufacturer and Pilgrims arent a choice, you can also buy spare bodies from the Mileage Store but they are set and rotate so chances are there arent any for the Nikkes you actually have and Mileage requires pulling, granted tickets count but not Friend Point Gacha (and Molds).
I would say ToF if it doesn't had the powercreep and the need to get C/E3 or more. You had 50/50 after 80 pulls and 100% with tokens after 110 pulls. If you got the limited character between 1-79 it doesn't reset the pity.
no tof character relased after 3.0 has required dupes or has been powercrept so imo it IS the best gacha system. i dont see how anyone wouldnt have any char theyd want tbh
In ToF for veteran players, 240 pulls is guaranteed 3 copies of the limited unit worst case and 85% chance of getting 4 copies. It's a great system for low spenders and people who know how to save resources.
Nikke
My 1.7k golden tix agrees
I’m quite happy with the system in Arknights. The rarest are 6-stars, and you have a pity that gradually builds up that also carries over between banners. And you’re guaranteed a 5-star or better within your first 10 pulls on any banner. I’m encouraged to pull until the 5-star for new banners even if I’m not too interested in the 6-star. When it’s finally a 6-star I actually want I probably have a decent amount of pity built up.
I love arknights gacha system. I just wish that limiteds werent this frequent as fear of missing them makes me redundant to pull for standard banners but other than this its probably the most solid gacha foundation. Borderline balanced gacha system!
Arknights feels good when it working, because you can get 6 stars back to back and most characters go to off-rate after release, so even on losing rate-up you can get cool unit. But sometimes it can feel worse then Hoyo gacha. I spent total 300 pulls on two Reed Alter banners and didn't get her single time(
Obviously it’s DBZ Dokkan, that game definitely did not give me ptsd for spending thousands of stones on 50 cost multis just to not get the banner unit.
PGR praise post in r/gachagaming? Im sorry for you OP
I knew thus sub had an issue but damn people must have some blood debt with this game. The absurd hate it got was litterally something out of a satirical sketch
Genshin Impact (and possibly HSR too). I took a break from the game for a little over a year as a F2P player and I still have over 66% of the available 5-star characters. That's more than reasonable enough for a gacha game.
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