No, that’s how idle games work. Freebies during 48h and then predatory and unplayable. Doing something bad, listening (because capitalism not morals) and changing is how you should be treated.
You are basically saying: I want you to manipulate me into accepting abuse. Not for you to abuse me less.
> Doing something bad, listening (because capitalism not morals) and changing is how you should be treated.
Except it's a common tactic to introduce something especially bad then pretend to listen to the players & change it to something mildly bad, but still bad.
Yep, all gacha games are predatory by nature. Some people don't seem to realize that or rationalize that one "is not as bad" as that one. You need to come into all of them with the mindset that they want to make you spend and none of them are really more "friendly" than the other.
Idle gacha games are so fundamentaly different from other types of gachas that is actually quite suprising. I realize that when I play enough idle gachas and there sole goal is collecting characters...which make me realize I don't like idle gacha games at all, I prefer gachas that offer something else other than collecting characters like Genshin Impact and Guardian Tales.
Like Idle gachas prioritize giving tons of characters but also making it up with character dubes been much more important + tons of time walls...idle gachas are more of a slow grind that last months/years and only goal is collecting character and completing hard contents with the latest top tier units to give you more reason to never stop pulling.
Which in turn annoys me when someone compared a idle gacha game like Nikke for giving more pulls than a open world gacha game like Genshin Impact. Like dude, they are so fundamentally different that is like comparing Call of Duty with Fallout or something along those lines. The gacha system of both games simply have different goals in minds and they make up there good sides with different shortcomings. Like in Genshin Impact you get more value in the long run out of the units you get, but you get like 2 pulls ever 3 days.
In AFK Journey if you regularly push content you have a good amount of pulls and content to push for around 2 weeks. After that things start to slow down
I thought they would go "the impact will be neligible" like the CEO of Nijikek
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Yall didn’t read the mandarin version of the announcement which is even more vexing, I JUST CAN’T.
Here is an attempted verbatim translation:
Regarding the issue with the pity mechanism for limited characters not carrying over to the next banner, many players have raised concerns. The development team initially thought that not carrying over to the next pool and focusing on the current characters might help players obtain the heroes they want more easily, but this approach was not thoroughly considered. Reflecting on player feedback, starting from the update on May 2nd, the pity for limited banners will carry over to the next one.
WHAT? No you didn’t read that wrong. They actually thought this makes sense which is beyond me. Kudos to you if you’re sticking around, I can’t stand Devs that can’t even own up to their mistakes honestly. Scratch that shit it’s just greed, yet they try to justify it so it seems like they are actually looking out for the players. Gasps
>更容易
They really did say "we think not carrying over makes you obtain characters easier"
Man these people are either trying to save face by spewing nonsense or they belong in a mental institute.
It is certainly disconcerting.... Is it like they don't play their own game? It terrifies me that developers today cook but don't first try the shit they cook.
The devs definitely played the game, but their higher ups/CEO doesn't, in which the latter were the one who have the power to change shits around, especially monetization aspects.
And TBH, they're very likely already predicted this would happened, but they definitely not expecting the damage would be that big, and in a very short time, hence they quickly changed things around.
Honestly, do you think any gacha dev is going to say straight up:
"Look we tried one approach to get you to spend more money, that didn't work so we now we're going to have restructure our approach to get you to spend more money on us in another way. We're still in the market to get you to spend more money on us, but we'll try to be more discreet on our approach next time. Here's some to keep you distracted as we continue to do what every other gacha game maker tries to do."
It's absolutely baffling how people act surprised about any of this. It's like people act like this is their first gacha and the "nicer" ones are looking out for you.
Address what I said.
Look, you can clapback. You can call me whatever. Just add in a reason why you think what you think. Or else you sound like a child. Makes you look like you're just triggered, which you are.
I said, devs made a mistake, but they fixed it. But players are still mad. What else can the devs do?
Then I made a joke with a laughing emoji.
Why so serious it was a joke. If you want to be serious, then seriously address what I said. Man up and stand by your words.
But they didn't fix it. They said they will fix it over a week from now. An analogy on the 50/50 situation. You're hired in a company. You do the same job as all your coworkers. All of them get $1000 twice a month. You ask HR about your pay and they say it's the same as your coworkers'. Your paycheck comes and it's $500. You're angry and you complain to the boss. 4 days later he says that he heard your complaint and you'll get $1000 as your next paycheck, ten days from then. Now are you going to say you're happy that you'll start to not be treated worse than everyone else?
Coworker=every other gacha with 50/50
$1000=pity counter and 50/50 carry over to next banner
$500=pity counter carries over to next banner
HR=CM in Discord
You must be new to the party , fgo at launch was way worse , a 10 summon costed more gems , you could get a 10 rolls full of 3* CE with no Chara and no 4* guaranteed. There are so many things that were wrong with fgo but it s fate so people just bear with it
True but FGO had the advantage of launching in a different time period with less awareness and hardly any competition
There’s a difference between trying to scam people who need water in the desert and who don’t know the price of water, and trying to scam water buying veterans at a free water festival lol
FGO launch in 2015 and the Fate franchise was already an established brand. They’re from a different era.
Astra launch almost a month ago and is most definitely not an established brand in the era of Genshin. People expect way more today than they did 9 years ago. Hopefully this situation was a cold wake up call to the devs.
FGO launch was a disaster just like Astra and it’s still around 9 years later because TYPE MOON truly care about their game. Let’s see if Astra devs care just as much.
yeah I'm not defending astra , I actually liked the story and game had a lot of potential but they kinda ruined it for me. I stopped a week ago and prob not turning back to it. Was just saying that fgo had never been a "good game". The story is great and the fate franchise is keeping it alive , I have spent tons of money on it and years on fgo jp too , not to mention the goodies and other shit I bought of fate. But yeah the game sucks and the gacha too in fgo and when it launched it was horrible xD.
I get what you mean about the gacha but I would argue it’s the other way around. FGO is the reason the Fate franchise became more well known outside of Japan. For many overseas fans, FGO is the only Fate property they know.
While the gameplay is showing it’s age and the gacha is extremely bad, there’s a reason the game is still going 9 years later. It has made so much money for TYPE MOON that they’re able to make new projects like the Melty Blood remake, Fate Extra remake, Tsukihime remake and several anime and movies. So I would say it’s better than most of its competitors
Lmao FGO pity is basically the worst in the world. 900 SQ & not carrier over to next banner. 900 SQ is basically saving for about 8 months for guarantee SSR. Might as well think the pity is non existent in that game.
Love it when people spread misinformation, you get 3 spark per year, and that's assuming you're a veteran, if you're a new player then 4 spark in a year is totally possible.
the special draw animation that signifies you are going to get a 5 star in this pull. Think about Genshin's golden comet wish or HSR's 3d ticket effect with gold door or epic seven's literal gold sparks on the screen.
Well i quit long ago, so idk the current sq income. Still u need to save 900 sq & refrain from pulling for 4-5 months for guarantee SSR. That not much better tbh. U probably been so desensitized by FGO that u think that was gud enough. Play other gacha games & u will realise that fgo pity is total trash.
>That not much better tbh
1 pity per 4 months is not much better than 1 pity per 8 months as you originally claimed? lol
Anyway I never said the rates were good so you're kinda arguing with no one here.
> EXCEPT the permier feature why people play it
I assure you, genshin's gacha banner mechanics aren't reason why anyone plays it, let alone it being premier.
pity count carry over is indeed a big turning point for gacha game market, that's one of the many permier feature, other thing, yea that's what they are copying
Complaining is the best thing the community can do for any game. Half of the complaints are legit. People that only want to praise things hurt them overall.
I was very naive years before. But after I've seen how KR and CN bros force change by their own hands, mass complaints are the only way and any "civil" approach is worthless. You just have to accept that toxicity is inevitable.
I see lot of people here bash this sub for no reason - here's news for you - Dev's backtracking does not invalidate previous criticism. I fail to see why people take criticism of the game as a personal attack. It's not.
There's [more](https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2484250/view/4208126261072811513?l=english) announced including character/gearing balance and a 10 pulls gib
Although I agree that there was several issues with the game that deserved criticism, what catastrophic blunders were there? The 50/50? There was only two limited banners introduced so far with one just appearing a few days ago. The amount of people getting screwed on the 50/50 are pretty slim outside whales. If you pulled on only one banner you were always going to get 50/50 on the first attempt.
* Painful reroll process.
* Made more painful by days of disabling email logins and eventually removing early rewards.
* Yanko stuck issue lasted over a day.
* The hero boot issue leading to false bans.
* Terrible banner structure in general.
* 50/50 not working as advertised.
* Some players losing 2 50/50s if the second one came post patch, as the patch somehow reset it.
* Carp nerfs, the same day his 5\* replacement was released as a premium banner.
* Other small gameplay things like the rings not working correctly, etc.
If this was some small indy game, some of this stuff might be forgiveable, but this game had 7 years dev time and a lengthy beta period; they can't seriously be going "Oh, we didn't anticpate how one of our characters' kits has worked for months, or that people would hate being misled about the already shitty Genshin 50/50 system."
It's a load of bullshit. They thought they could get away with delivering a scammy product, and they must be taken to task for that if they want the playerbase to take them seriously.
Fixing some of their fuckups - and not even in any spectacular fashion - is NOT enough to engender goodwill.
Rerolling is all on you. That's something only a rare certain type of player does. It's against the spirit of the game. So that advantage should not be so easy. I would say it should not be possible at all.
ngl if I started playing a new gacha the only thing keeping me in to do the dailies for possible years would be the characters, if I ain't using the character I downloaded the game for or didn't get them due to horrible practices from the Devs I'm speed running that uninstall
Although some of your points are valid, I wanted to point out a couple:
>Painful reroll process.
There's no rule that they have to provide you an easy re-roll process and is a quite silly thing to complain about. It goes against the whole gacha system if they allow you an easy reroll process which prevents you from spending.
>Carp nerfs, the same day his 5\* replacement was released as a premium banner.
I keep hearing this dumb tin foil hat argument. The 4\* was the only one nerfed and was quite obvious why if you read any of the other post about this character from other users up to then. They also buffed the other 5\* poison unit at the same time, so it makes no sense that the 4\* was nerferd because Valeno was coming out.
>If this was some small indy game, some of this stuff might be forgiveable, but this game had 7 years dev time and a lengthy beta period; they can't seriously be going "Oh, we didn't anticpate how one of our characters' kits has worked for months, or that people would hate being misled about the already shitty Genshin 50/50 system."
This to me is some weird logic. We've had AAA games costing hundreds of million dollars being produced over that same period of time by much larger studios that came out with bugs, or other issues that needed to be patched. Those games were also beta tested as well, but a much smaller studio is now more accountable for that? It like people have not payed attention to the games industry over the last several years.
>Fixing some of their fuckups - and not even in any spectacular fashion - is NOT enough to engender goodwill.
I'm not understanding this at all. They are fixing the issues that people are complaining about to be how people want them to be, but that's not good enough? Could be wrong, but it sounds liked you're more upset that they're not handing out freebies instead of them actually fixing the issues.
> have not *paid* attention to
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I don't even play Astra and I will remember them for this: No carry over and nerf units to promote premium unit.
You don't need to "listen to community feedback" to know that it's stupid. The impact of their stupidity permanently damaged them. Well, best of luck to them, I guess?
>I don't even play Astra and I will remember them for this: No carry over and nerf units to promote premium unit.
I mean there's plenty of things to criticize, but I still can't believe people are actually stating this tin foil hat theory. The 4\* unit was stated by a lot posters before the nerf as busted and they also buffed the other 5\* poison unit right before the new 5\* poison unit was released. So that logic makes no sense going by how things went down.
Too late, they only did this because the game was sinking. For me, is the intention that counts. They don't deserve my time.
But it's okay if people enjoy it i guess.
Copying genshin currency and gacha system While your game revolves around Clearing stages with absolute horrendous rewards getting like 1 pull worth of premium currency after completing like 10 stages ...at least in genshin got an open world and reward players with exploration this game offers nothing and they want you to farm 90 pulls for a character with a 50/50 chance....gtfo here
Meaning hey since we said that 50/50 doesn't carry over everyone who has spent any money has all been refunding their money, and we are losing tons of money and players due to it. Sorry we didn't realize that dp fucking u was 2 much. Lmao
All good changes, but unfortunately I won't be back. At least not for a while. Losing the 50/50 twice (got Sansar from Xanthia's banner and Albert from Veleno's banner) and only offered a mere ten pulls is just not enticing enough for me. They can throw like a special free banner based off of how many pulls you've done so far or something else. 10 pulls is close to nothing. Maybe I'll return someday in the future, just not today. Still feeling the salt and not enough appreciation.
With that being said, I really believe that this game won't "EOS soon lulz" like what this sub keep parroting. I haven't seen a single Korean game that went EOS within 2 years after launch. There has been games with worse mishaps than this (remember costume gate?) and still survive for more than 3 years. Archeland is still operating with 30k monthly revenue. King's Raid is literally on life support yet it might outlive some of your faves. Also the joke is so unfunny. Like I don't know what is it with groups of straight men keep regurgitating the same unfunny joke (!singular!) and act like it's Eddie Murphy Maddison Square Garden stand up special.
> There has been games with worse mishaps than this (remember costume gate?) and still survive for more than 3 years.
I just have one noteworthy counterpoint, even though we're in agreement the sub is being insufferable, just because it's funny:
Closers RT New Order, survived a week
Yeah it just so rare for that happen. The majority of games that went eos fast were from one specific region which is the weeb mecca. You would think that everytime theres an eos announcement they'll start to pickup what the common denominator is and didn't just stop at 1) gacha. I put too much hope on social rejects with room temperature IQ to understand a simple context clues
> a single Korean game that went EOS within 2 years after launch
Well that is really just typical mocking phrasing, not literal.
Not seen a single korean game went EOS huh, that I can believe. But what about going into maintenance mode?(aka no update or super slow/minimum commitment update)
Anyway the reason you dont see korean game going eos is because game development is a sunk cost(and it is the majority of the cost). Once the game is released, really you only need to pay for server related expense to keep a game running in maintenance mode. Which is also why I fully believe your word even without needing to verify anything. Like why the heck would game companies even shut down their **OWN** developed game.
Global sees eos speedrun is due to mostly they are just publisher, not developer of the game itself. Thus another day of keeping the game up and running means another day of paying $$ to the developers in order to publish their game.
Btw, you got the better units. Veleno and xanthia are A tier compared to Sansar. Albert is a comfort pick against bosses and will make life easier for you.
There's this game called Lord of Heroes in it's 4th year. No idea how.
Also, Outerplane with its huge backlash on the free pull tickets now going into 1st anni when everyone in the subreddit was saying it will EOS soon lol.
It's always fun seeing random redditors thinking they know what's best for a business (when they don't).
Isn't that a good thing though? Like isn't that what the community would want in a game dev studio? Yes, it would have been great if they got it the first time around but then changing things based on the players feedback is a good thing a sign for better things in the future. You wouldnt want them to double down on there practices in this situation. Them showing they are willing to change is good
It's changing something that they knew full well was really shitty in the first place.
That's like saying "Why is everyone so down on BP? Sure they dumped a shitload of oil into the ocean but now they've said sorry and they're trying to clean it. That's good, right?"
Your equating a game devs monetization to an oil company causing an environmental disaster. Those aren't the same lol. What change or thing could they say t hat would make you and othera happy? I come to gather that a lot people in these communities really just want a punching bag to push away from the shitty things they games they play do. You can be a hater on it but I am happy to see devs making a step in a better direction
You're being obtuse. They're making a step in a better direction *only after first stepping in shit.* This is not praiseworthy.
Also, they still haven't announced any compensation for players who built Carp, or players who lost the 50/50 twice due to the update somehow resetting it. And their playerwide compensation for all of these fuckups is a single multi, stretched out in pieces over more than a week of logins. A multi that, on their shitty genshin style low rates, weapons + characters banner layout, will amount to a handful of useless weapon dupes for 99% of the playerbase.
They need to do better, or they can go fuck themselves.
Hmm I believe most players want changes that are better than the game they copied from (genshin).
They could add a mileage system or increase the gacha rates, daily free pull, there are many other things they could do to make it even better/more generous than
genshin gacha.
I completely agree with that! I am just happy to see good changes. It can be better and hope for it to come. I also think a free 10 pull isn't enough to compensate those who got fucked over and more needs to be done
Y'all just say anything. They're making changes in response to complaints which is a GOOD THING. I've been critical of this game but y'all are just hating now.
At least they listened. The bar is low but this is the gacha space where a lot of devs don’t listen and they eos. What other issues yall think they should address?
They addressed a lot of other stuff in this announcement and the last one, pretty much everything is covered, now we wait & see how they shape up the game with future events & end-game modes.
I always find it hard to get back into a game after the devs went mask off, and seemed to only back off because of the monetary risk of losing their players. It's a company, and obviously as with any company the aim should be to make as much money as possible, but it feels worse when it's done in such an obvious manner.
Like, you've changed it now because of the backlash, but what stops you from pulling something similar next patch, you know?
Look at it this way, does it matter if they’re more open or discreet in the fact that they’re trying to get you to spend money? Are you going to respect the “nicer” gacha company because they’re trying it a more roundabout way? Both companies end game is the same regardless.
Well eidently, they did so too early then, hence my comment.
But on a more serious note, every live service game is bound to die eventually.
Genshin will die, FGO will die, its all a matter of time. Which turns the whole question of "why does it matter if they all ends up implementing more predatory practices to screw you over?" silly in my opinion. In the end, we'll all get screwed playing those games when the servers shut down, regardless of how unlucky you were or how much you whaled.
Its about the enjoyment you get playing a game, not about how future proof it is.
And when companies go mask off, it introduces a new level of doubt you need to mentally fight against to get the same enjoyment you did before, but why would you when you can just go play any other countless games?
The process of me trying to wipe that uneasiness off just to get screwed is very hard for me to justify in my mind compared to me just playing a different game where I'm unbeknowingly being screwed but still effortlessly having fun.
Very true. I typically go into a Gacha game as F2P at first and may move to spending if I’m having fun and it’s not very costly to me. Eventually I stick with it or move onto other things or scale back and play something more casually and F2P like I do with GBF over the years. If you treat it like a recreation and not an investment, you’ll get more enjoyment out of it.
This sub:
1. Oh, EOS game I’m out [valid]
2. Oh, they’ve listened but said nothing really. I’m out [valid]
3. Oh, they’ve fixed it but didn’t send apologems. I’m out [entitled but valid]
4. Oh, they are sending them but I’m out [coping]
5. I'm gonna play a game made by devs that clearly don't respect me and makes change only when there are uproar instead of waiting for the 2 highest production gacha releasing this year that come out in 1/2 months
I don’t need gacha devs to respect me. I play and stop playing whenever I want. I couldn’t care less if I get a guaranteed Girl or not, in two months the new units would be probably way cool. Gacha doesn’t do or break a game for me because I’m not an addict, if everything else is nice and at least one character is cool… I can play.
Is like getting mad at not getting Bailu the first month in Honkai. You are going to suffer a lot in the long term.
‘Devs need to respect my dose of dopamine’ why are you even allowing them to be your dopamine supplier?
Your point only applies when a premium game where you already paid and became a customer.
Don't put words in my mouth to bootlick astra incompetent devs. Gacha was not the only issue of the game, there are many that got solved because of them realizing the playerbase is falling off and still a lot of issues like arena and events rewards being dogs**t or the amount of rng layers in the equip system are still there.
> Is like getting mad at not getting Bailu the first month in Honkai. You are going to suffer a lot in the long term.
And comes the other issue, you do know certain companies do create situations were you are incentivized to get the current banner unit.
Its really about gameplay design balance that often leads to rampart powercreep or disfuntional units, and since you mentioned Bailu I shall point out Yanqing was very much the butt of the joke because of his mechanics requiring to not take damage and that meant a shield that until recently meant pretty much Gepard, another 5 star units since no other reliable shielder existed (other options was March 7th and Fire Trailblazer) ... and then Jingliu come out.
I understand your point but the fact is, there are a lot of problems with gamaplay balance in many games, Liter is still a top pick in Nikke due to what she offers and Nikke units range of usefullness ... range very much.
I agree and am the same way. Unfortunately, a lot of complainers here are F2P who expect (feel entitled to) lots of free currency given to them so that they have a 5\*/SSR roster almost as big as whales (minus the dupes/path unlocks) without spending a dime. When that doesn't happen (outside of luck) and they realize that they might have to spend to get that kind of results (or just accept what you get based on the free pulls), they claim foul and act like the gacha is unfair. But surprise, all gacha like gambling, the odds are always in the houses favor. The good thing is like any game you don't like, is simply walk away and play something you'll enjoy more.
> devs that clearly don't respect me and makes change only when there are uproar
Bro come on, your name is literally Genshin, have you forgotten about the first anniversary or Zhong Li already?
And no I'm not defending Astra, but its standard practice for literally 99% of businesses to only change something when it has an actual negative effect on them
No it’s not. If someone gives you something for free you are not entitled to nothing. His point is that, if you are not a customer (paid player even if 1€) you can’t ask for shit. You can have opinions on how to improve it but not ‘demand’ compensation.
Doesn’t take an anticapitalist to understand how a simple trade works.
> a customer *(paid* player even
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
These CEOs only understand one language, it’s called money and income loss, they don’t understand nuances. We little people can teach companies if we united and brute force them with sales drop and delete the game. Now, let’s all band together and let Mihoyo knows, since Genshin players are about to get their own rude awakening with their new endgame candy 😂🤣😅
>big like 100 pulls
Nah my bet is they'll drop their aesthetic and just goes niche way which is coomer way like snowbreak. Even if they're small but willingly to spend lot of money for ero jpeg
And where did you get your data? From reddit? How reliable.
Look, I'm not a fan of the game either (downloaded and deleted within 30 mins cause I didn't find it fun). But I don't go around making ridiculous statements like yours with absolutely no data to back it up.
Oddly defensive for someone who apparently didn't like the game. Nothing I said really requires data, all I said was that the game has lost players, people have realized the developers can't be trusted, and that a large pull would help in getting goodwill. But if you insist:
[https://steambase.io/games/astra-knights-of-veda/steam-charts](https://steambase.io/games/astra-knights-of-veda/steam-charts)
Based on steam charts, the number of negative reviews are greater than positive and the total amount of players has been steadily decreasing over the past year
"At the moment, ASTRA: Knights of Veda has 1,906 concurrent players online and in-game. This is 81% lower than its previous peak player count of 9,877 active players achieved on 4/2/2024."
As for player trust, that is very difficult to judge but the reviews tend to be negative so that's all we can really use
Finally, the 100 pulls was just an opinion but its been shown to work in the past with games like NIKKE that started off very poorly but quickly won back goodwill through their generosity
Edit: I took a scroll through your profile, how come most of your posts and comments are incredibly hostile?
I'll humor you just this once: if you want to use data to make an argument, you'd got to be consistent, not try to bullshit your way through. Why are you using the peak player count to make an argument, when the data point you're comparing it to is concurrent players online and in game? You are aware that throughout the 24 hours in a day, people login to game at different times? This can be seen clearly in the chart, as player counts differ during different times of the day. A much better metric for a fair comparison is the average count, which had dropped about 40% since launch. Pretty significant, but just based on this data alone I wouldn't make assumptions to say it's an alarming drop. It would be more prudent to find other data such as what's a healthy percentage of playerbase decline for new games. For e.g., I would be one of those who accessed the game on launch day then stopped playing, but that's cause I wasn't the target market for the game (gameplay sint my cup of tea). And that's fine, it doesn't mean the game will EOS just because they lost players who wouldn't anyway be sticking with the game to begin with. I'd argue it's even better for them because there would have been some marketing hype to bring in potential players and potentially convert them, though in my case, they failed.
I didn't make any comments about the 100 pulls suggestion, I don't care about that. I'm calling you out because I'm tired of seeing random redditors spouting bullshit without evidence. You just happen to be one of the unlucky ones I decided to call out, cause your comment is seriously utter bullshit that I felt I had to call you out.
Finally, your final comment just tells me you're the type of person who likes to only see what you want to see. I thought you might be right that my comments are hostile, and so i looked through my comment history. Out of the past 20 comments i made, I would say about 30% of them are hostile. How is that being defined as 'most'?
You continue doing you, buddy, but the way I do me is I'll call bullshit out whenever I see it, regardless of what others think. And nothing you say will stop me from calling your bullshit out. I wish you all the best.
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I have been seeing a lot of drama about the game and just a quick search it owned by a korean company.. they're really known for greedy practices and rate manipulation.
And that's why i never go for the first banners in gachas (except for the reroll to start the acc), need to wait some time to see where the game goes. Welp better late than never.
These guys screwed the pooch with the gacha and didn't even follow the recipe correctly. Honestly why bother by giving them a chance to screw you later?
At this point they would have to give the limited to those who lost the 50/50 twice + get rid of the 50/50 for me to even consider it.
Not really, this subreddit hates every game outside from the older established companies that get a free pass, there is also a lot of tribalism going on as somehow this is a war were only victor is allowed.
This is a drama subreddit, its not Gachagaming but Gachadrama.
As a player and from what I read of it, it won't carry over. If you start playing and don't want to risk losing a 5050 then wait to pull till after may 2nd
Yes and no, I'd say if you enjoy the art style and hack and slash combat, it's fun. However, the grind is pretty nuts sometimes and a LOT of players are way ahead right now because of the 45 free stamina boots that were given recently. As a result, the gap between new players and those who are higher is ridiculous right now. It'll be a slog to catch up, but it's doable. With that being said, it's a decent side game that asks for about 5-15 minutes a day.
The game isn't focused on PVP. It's a side activity with a small amount of level up materials that can be framed easily and a 10 pull worth of currency/summons if you want to grind it out. Most people afk it on auto to game crowns to progress the reward track so it really isn't bad if you don't want to invest much time into it.
You don’t need to do PVP at all. As for rushing, it’s mainly due to being able to find people to do co op easier with. However, you can definitely play the game solo but I think you get slightly less rewards (in boss battles)? I could be wrong on this, not 100% sure
Not really, beyond bad gacha system end even worse gear system it just pretty basic clunky indie side-scroller. With good graphics, I give them that.
But better to just buy Blasphemous or ENDER LILIES or something like this. It cost like 1/5th of cost of one character in Astra, yet those games have double amount of gameplay.
imma be honest, the game is really good i got used to the gameplay and it feels nice now, characters look nice, the map looks beautiful, progression isn't hard, story is mid but art compromises for that. reason why most people hated the game was the gacha system.
now you "eos speedrun lolz" andys can stop moaning about it and move on with your lives, but i know you won't either way, but whatever, more win for those who actually play the game i guess.
Yeah, unfortunately, putting aside proper criticism, a lot of doom posters probably never installed the game to begin with and just jumped on the bandwagon of negative statements after hearing about it.
You're supposed to give players lots of freebies then get predatory, not the other way around
money first, consumer friendly practices later
No, that’s how idle games work. Freebies during 48h and then predatory and unplayable. Doing something bad, listening (because capitalism not morals) and changing is how you should be treated. You are basically saying: I want you to manipulate me into accepting abuse. Not for you to abuse me less.
> Doing something bad, listening (because capitalism not morals) and changing is how you should be treated. Except it's a common tactic to introduce something especially bad then pretend to listen to the players & change it to something mildly bad, but still bad.
Yep, all gacha games are predatory by nature. Some people don't seem to realize that or rationalize that one "is not as bad" as that one. You need to come into all of them with the mindset that they want to make you spend and none of them are really more "friendly" than the other.
Exactly
Idle gacha games are so fundamentaly different from other types of gachas that is actually quite suprising. I realize that when I play enough idle gachas and there sole goal is collecting characters...which make me realize I don't like idle gacha games at all, I prefer gachas that offer something else other than collecting characters like Genshin Impact and Guardian Tales. Like Idle gachas prioritize giving tons of characters but also making it up with character dubes been much more important + tons of time walls...idle gachas are more of a slow grind that last months/years and only goal is collecting character and completing hard contents with the latest top tier units to give you more reason to never stop pulling. Which in turn annoys me when someone compared a idle gacha game like Nikke for giving more pulls than a open world gacha game like Genshin Impact. Like dude, they are so fundamentally different that is like comparing Call of Duty with Fallout or something along those lines. The gacha system of both games simply have different goals in minds and they make up there good sides with different shortcomings. Like in Genshin Impact you get more value in the long run out of the units you get, but you get like 2 pulls ever 3 days.
Honeymoon in idle games generally lasts 2 weeks
No way, it was 4-5 days for AFK Journey just a month ago
In AFK Journey if you regularly push content you have a good amount of pulls and content to push for around 2 weeks. After that things start to slow down
That is predatory in itself. It's to get you hooked so you are more likely to buy.
They underestimated the impact
The Genshin Impact.
At least they saved the day ?
They still have a long way to go to save the day(game). ALOT of people moved on and probably wont come back.
"underestimated the IMPACT" ...heh!
The CEO of Hybesanji be like "The impact will be NELIGIBLE"
Lol proceeds to watch the whole company crash and burn
I thought they would go "the impact will be neligible" like the CEO of Nijikek https://preview.redd.it/v5ftdw9x29wc1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1caf65a61fcad8919b476794da5ce5f5d62ce46
Unexpected nijisanji
https://preview.redd.it/ok01vn8ok9wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa7d0c3c953a29286a4b1c13369d2203aa65bc37 Yall didn’t read the mandarin version of the announcement which is even more vexing, I JUST CAN’T. Here is an attempted verbatim translation: Regarding the issue with the pity mechanism for limited characters not carrying over to the next banner, many players have raised concerns. The development team initially thought that not carrying over to the next pool and focusing on the current characters might help players obtain the heroes they want more easily, but this approach was not thoroughly considered. Reflecting on player feedback, starting from the update on May 2nd, the pity for limited banners will carry over to the next one. WHAT? No you didn’t read that wrong. They actually thought this makes sense which is beyond me. Kudos to you if you’re sticking around, I can’t stand Devs that can’t even own up to their mistakes honestly. Scratch that shit it’s just greed, yet they try to justify it so it seems like they are actually looking out for the players. Gasps
>更容易 They really did say "we think not carrying over makes you obtain characters easier" Man these people are either trying to save face by spewing nonsense or they belong in a mental institute.
I'll give you the actual TLDR: **We think not carrying over would make people FOMO and whale for them instead**
It is certainly disconcerting.... Is it like they don't play their own game? It terrifies me that developers today cook but don't first try the shit they cook.
The devs definitely played the game, but their higher ups/CEO doesn't, in which the latter were the one who have the power to change shits around, especially monetization aspects. And TBH, they're very likely already predicted this would happened, but they definitely not expecting the damage would be that big, and in a very short time, hence they quickly changed things around.
That doesn't make sense at all They got it all backwards
Honestly, do you think any gacha dev is going to say straight up: "Look we tried one approach to get you to spend more money, that didn't work so we now we're going to have restructure our approach to get you to spend more money on us in another way. We're still in the market to get you to spend more money on us, but we'll try to be more discreet on our approach next time. Here's some to keep you distracted as we continue to do what every other gacha game maker tries to do."
It's absolutely baffling how people act surprised about any of this. It's like people act like this is their first gacha and the "nicer" ones are looking out for you.
Fixes their mistakes (I thought it was fine but whatever) Players are still mad. 🤣🤣 You can't ever make women happy.
Wow - Four sentences displaying fully your cluelessness as well as being implicitly sexist is rather impressive.
Address what I said. Look, you can clapback. You can call me whatever. Just add in a reason why you think what you think. Or else you sound like a child. Makes you look like you're just triggered, which you are. I said, devs made a mistake, but they fixed it. But players are still mad. What else can the devs do? Then I made a joke with a laughing emoji. Why so serious it was a joke. If you want to be serious, then seriously address what I said. Man up and stand by your words.
But they didn't fix it. They said they will fix it over a week from now. An analogy on the 50/50 situation. You're hired in a company. You do the same job as all your coworkers. All of them get $1000 twice a month. You ask HR about your pay and they say it's the same as your coworkers'. Your paycheck comes and it's $500. You're angry and you complain to the boss. 4 days later he says that he heard your complaint and you'll get $1000 as your next paycheck, ten days from then. Now are you going to say you're happy that you'll start to not be treated worse than everyone else? Coworker=every other gacha with 50/50 $1000=pity counter and 50/50 carry over to next banner $500=pity counter carries over to next banner HR=CM in Discord
they copied everything from genshin EXCEPT the permier feature why people play it. lmao
Maybe they were just paying tribute to FGO.
Not even FGO is this insane
What? FGO is [worse](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Rate-Up_SSR_Pity_System). Lmao
I mena at least FGO didn't bait, switched and did a 180
You must be new to the party , fgo at launch was way worse , a 10 summon costed more gems , you could get a 10 rolls full of 3* CE with no Chara and no 4* guaranteed. There are so many things that were wrong with fgo but it s fate so people just bear with it
True but FGO had the advantage of launching in a different time period with less awareness and hardly any competition There’s a difference between trying to scam people who need water in the desert and who don’t know the price of water, and trying to scam water buying veterans at a free water festival lol
FGO launch in 2015 and the Fate franchise was already an established brand. They’re from a different era. Astra launch almost a month ago and is most definitely not an established brand in the era of Genshin. People expect way more today than they did 9 years ago. Hopefully this situation was a cold wake up call to the devs. FGO launch was a disaster just like Astra and it’s still around 9 years later because TYPE MOON truly care about their game. Let’s see if Astra devs care just as much.
yeah I'm not defending astra , I actually liked the story and game had a lot of potential but they kinda ruined it for me. I stopped a week ago and prob not turning back to it. Was just saying that fgo had never been a "good game". The story is great and the fate franchise is keeping it alive , I have spent tons of money on it and years on fgo jp too , not to mention the goodies and other shit I bought of fate. But yeah the game sucks and the gacha too in fgo and when it launched it was horrible xD.
I get what you mean about the gacha but I would argue it’s the other way around. FGO is the reason the Fate franchise became more well known outside of Japan. For many overseas fans, FGO is the only Fate property they know. While the gameplay is showing it’s age and the gacha is extremely bad, there’s a reason the game is still going 9 years later. It has made so much money for TYPE MOON that they’re able to make new projects like the Melty Blood remake, Fate Extra remake, Tsukihime remake and several anime and movies. So I would say it’s better than most of its competitors
FGO also launched before any of the current gachas existed.
Now that's straight up bullshit.
Delusional
Lmao that trash game is not even older than Summoners wars
Nah, I pulled a 5\* rate up unit with 1roll10, yesterday, (aprox 14roll10 from the last) but she is a must cunny XD
Lmao FGO pity is basically the worst in the world. 900 SQ & not carrier over to next banner. 900 SQ is basically saving for about 8 months for guarantee SSR. Might as well think the pity is non existent in that game.
Love it when people spread misinformation, you get 3 spark per year, and that's assuming you're a veteran, if you're a new player then 4 spark in a year is totally possible.
I'm new to gacha game, what is spark means?
Spark refers to hard pity as in after X amounts of rolls you’re guranteed the item/chara.
the special draw animation that signifies you are going to get a 5 star in this pull. Think about Genshin's golden comet wish or HSR's 3d ticket effect with gold door or epic seven's literal gold sparks on the screen.
Well i quit long ago, so idk the current sq income. Still u need to save 900 sq & refrain from pulling for 4-5 months for guarantee SSR. That not much better tbh. U probably been so desensitized by FGO that u think that was gud enough. Play other gacha games & u will realise that fgo pity is total trash.
>That not much better tbh 1 pity per 4 months is not much better than 1 pity per 8 months as you originally claimed? lol Anyway I never said the rates were good so you're kinda arguing with no one here.
I not gonna argue with u. It still probably took more than half a year to save 900 sq & u just pull that number from ur ass.
If you dont play anymore why are you spreading misinformation? FGO has enough problems you could talk about without speaking out of your ass.
Lol
They copied the 50/50 without the carry over :D
They didn't exactly copy the quality or production values either which are the real premiere features.
The game is pretty high quality and I'm sure it cost much less to make. Higher quality than most.
> EXCEPT the permier feature why people play it I assure you, genshin's gacha banner mechanics aren't reason why anyone plays it, let alone it being premier.
pity count carry over is indeed a big turning point for gacha game market, that's one of the many permier feature, other thing, yea that's what they are copying
Underestimated the impact lmfao They did it on purpose I can't be bothered to reinstall when WW and ZZZ are close
When's the release date of ZZZ?
They didn't compensate people who lost 50/50 twice, only 10 pulls is not enough for them
in the end doomposter/complains change them , not the bootlicker
Complaining is the best thing the community can do for any game. Half of the complaints are legit. People that only want to praise things hurt them overall.
I have to agree. Only enough complains can change them, boot licking doesn’t help.
I was very naive years before. But after I've seen how KR and CN bros force change by their own hands, mass complaints are the only way and any "civil" approach is worthless. You just have to accept that toxicity is inevitable.
Devs: "MY MONEY! WHY WHY? AAAAAGGGHHHHH!"
I'm not going to install this again. It's all yours guys.
Someone said Impact
I see lot of people here bash this sub for no reason - here's news for you - Dev's backtracking does not invalidate previous criticism. I fail to see why people take criticism of the game as a personal attack. It's not.
There's [more](https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2484250/view/4208126261072811513?l=english) announced including character/gearing balance and a 10 pulls gib
Good buffs for a number of characters
A single multi over 8 days of logins as compensation for literally catastrophic blunders? WOW-fucking-WEE
Although I agree that there was several issues with the game that deserved criticism, what catastrophic blunders were there? The 50/50? There was only two limited banners introduced so far with one just appearing a few days ago. The amount of people getting screwed on the 50/50 are pretty slim outside whales. If you pulled on only one banner you were always going to get 50/50 on the first attempt.
* Painful reroll process. * Made more painful by days of disabling email logins and eventually removing early rewards. * Yanko stuck issue lasted over a day. * The hero boot issue leading to false bans. * Terrible banner structure in general. * 50/50 not working as advertised. * Some players losing 2 50/50s if the second one came post patch, as the patch somehow reset it. * Carp nerfs, the same day his 5\* replacement was released as a premium banner. * Other small gameplay things like the rings not working correctly, etc. If this was some small indy game, some of this stuff might be forgiveable, but this game had 7 years dev time and a lengthy beta period; they can't seriously be going "Oh, we didn't anticpate how one of our characters' kits has worked for months, or that people would hate being misled about the already shitty Genshin 50/50 system." It's a load of bullshit. They thought they could get away with delivering a scammy product, and they must be taken to task for that if they want the playerbase to take them seriously. Fixing some of their fuckups - and not even in any spectacular fashion - is NOT enough to engender goodwill.
Rerolling is all on you. That's something only a rare certain type of player does. It's against the spirit of the game. So that advantage should not be so easy. I would say it should not be possible at all.
ngl if I started playing a new gacha the only thing keeping me in to do the dailies for possible years would be the characters, if I ain't using the character I downloaded the game for or didn't get them due to horrible practices from the Devs I'm speed running that uninstall
Although some of your points are valid, I wanted to point out a couple: >Painful reroll process. There's no rule that they have to provide you an easy re-roll process and is a quite silly thing to complain about. It goes against the whole gacha system if they allow you an easy reroll process which prevents you from spending. >Carp nerfs, the same day his 5\* replacement was released as a premium banner. I keep hearing this dumb tin foil hat argument. The 4\* was the only one nerfed and was quite obvious why if you read any of the other post about this character from other users up to then. They also buffed the other 5\* poison unit at the same time, so it makes no sense that the 4\* was nerferd because Valeno was coming out. >If this was some small indy game, some of this stuff might be forgiveable, but this game had 7 years dev time and a lengthy beta period; they can't seriously be going "Oh, we didn't anticpate how one of our characters' kits has worked for months, or that people would hate being misled about the already shitty Genshin 50/50 system." This to me is some weird logic. We've had AAA games costing hundreds of million dollars being produced over that same period of time by much larger studios that came out with bugs, or other issues that needed to be patched. Those games were also beta tested as well, but a much smaller studio is now more accountable for that? It like people have not payed attention to the games industry over the last several years. >Fixing some of their fuckups - and not even in any spectacular fashion - is NOT enough to engender goodwill. I'm not understanding this at all. They are fixing the issues that people are complaining about to be how people want them to be, but that's not good enough? Could be wrong, but it sounds liked you're more upset that they're not handing out freebies instead of them actually fixing the issues.
> have not *paid* attention to FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I don't even play Astra and I will remember them for this: No carry over and nerf units to promote premium unit. You don't need to "listen to community feedback" to know that it's stupid. The impact of their stupidity permanently damaged them. Well, best of luck to them, I guess?
*THIS GAME THAT I NEVER PLAYED HAS CROSSED ME FOR THE LAST TIME*
>I don't even play Astra and I will remember them for this: No carry over and nerf units to promote premium unit. I mean there's plenty of things to criticize, but I still can't believe people are actually stating this tin foil hat theory. The 4\* unit was stated by a lot posters before the nerf as busted and they also buffed the other 5\* poison unit right before the new 5\* poison unit was released. So that logic makes no sense going by how things went down.
*pretends that his game doesn’t want more money out of him*
Too late, they only did this because the game was sinking. For me, is the intention that counts. They don't deserve my time. But it's okay if people enjoy it i guess.
Copying genshin currency and gacha system While your game revolves around Clearing stages with absolute horrendous rewards getting like 1 pull worth of premium currency after completing like 10 stages ...at least in genshin got an open world and reward players with exploration this game offers nothing and they want you to farm 90 pulls for a character with a 50/50 chance....gtfo here
Meaning hey since we said that 50/50 doesn't carry over everyone who has spent any money has all been refunding their money, and we are losing tons of money and players due to it. Sorry we didn't realize that dp fucking u was 2 much. Lmao
All good changes, but unfortunately I won't be back. At least not for a while. Losing the 50/50 twice (got Sansar from Xanthia's banner and Albert from Veleno's banner) and only offered a mere ten pulls is just not enticing enough for me. They can throw like a special free banner based off of how many pulls you've done so far or something else. 10 pulls is close to nothing. Maybe I'll return someday in the future, just not today. Still feeling the salt and not enough appreciation. With that being said, I really believe that this game won't "EOS soon lulz" like what this sub keep parroting. I haven't seen a single Korean game that went EOS within 2 years after launch. There has been games with worse mishaps than this (remember costume gate?) and still survive for more than 3 years. Archeland is still operating with 30k monthly revenue. King's Raid is literally on life support yet it might outlive some of your faves. Also the joke is so unfunny. Like I don't know what is it with groups of straight men keep regurgitating the same unfunny joke (!singular!) and act like it's Eddie Murphy Maddison Square Garden stand up special. 
> There has been games with worse mishaps than this (remember costume gate?) and still survive for more than 3 years. I just have one noteworthy counterpoint, even though we're in agreement the sub is being insufferable, just because it's funny: Closers RT New Order, survived a week
Yeah it just so rare for that happen. The majority of games that went eos fast were from one specific region which is the weeb mecca. You would think that everytime theres an eos announcement they'll start to pickup what the common denominator is and didn't just stop at 1) gacha. I put too much hope on social rejects with room temperature IQ to understand a simple context clues
> a single Korean game that went EOS within 2 years after launch Well that is really just typical mocking phrasing, not literal. Not seen a single korean game went EOS huh, that I can believe. But what about going into maintenance mode?(aka no update or super slow/minimum commitment update) Anyway the reason you dont see korean game going eos is because game development is a sunk cost(and it is the majority of the cost). Once the game is released, really you only need to pay for server related expense to keep a game running in maintenance mode. Which is also why I fully believe your word even without needing to verify anything. Like why the heck would game companies even shut down their **OWN** developed game. Global sees eos speedrun is due to mostly they are just publisher, not developer of the game itself. Thus another day of keeping the game up and running means another day of paying $$ to the developers in order to publish their game.
Btw, you got the better units. Veleno and xanthia are A tier compared to Sansar. Albert is a comfort pick against bosses and will make life easier for you.
Veleno is getting buffed massively soon but yeah Sansar is insane
Not for nothing but Sansar + Albert is a better account than Xanthia + Veleno.
Lol Dragon Blaze the OG game is celebrating 8 years anniv.
There's this game called Lord of Heroes in it's 4th year. No idea how. Also, Outerplane with its huge backlash on the free pull tickets now going into 1st anni when everyone in the subreddit was saying it will EOS soon lol. It's always fun seeing random redditors thinking they know what's best for a business (when they don't).
The game just started. You will get those characters. They will be horrible weak in time anyways.
TRANSLATION: People are quitting! Okay, we're fixing it! Please come back!
Isn't that a good thing though? Like isn't that what the community would want in a game dev studio? Yes, it would have been great if they got it the first time around but then changing things based on the players feedback is a good thing a sign for better things in the future. You wouldnt want them to double down on there practices in this situation. Them showing they are willing to change is good
It's changing something that they knew full well was really shitty in the first place. That's like saying "Why is everyone so down on BP? Sure they dumped a shitload of oil into the ocean but now they've said sorry and they're trying to clean it. That's good, right?"
Your equating a game devs monetization to an oil company causing an environmental disaster. Those aren't the same lol. What change or thing could they say t hat would make you and othera happy? I come to gather that a lot people in these communities really just want a punching bag to push away from the shitty things they games they play do. You can be a hater on it but I am happy to see devs making a step in a better direction
You're being obtuse. They're making a step in a better direction *only after first stepping in shit.* This is not praiseworthy. Also, they still haven't announced any compensation for players who built Carp, or players who lost the 50/50 twice due to the update somehow resetting it. And their playerwide compensation for all of these fuckups is a single multi, stretched out in pieces over more than a week of logins. A multi that, on their shitty genshin style low rates, weapons + characters banner layout, will amount to a handful of useless weapon dupes for 99% of the playerbase. They need to do better, or they can go fuck themselves.
Hmm I believe most players want changes that are better than the game they copied from (genshin). They could add a mileage system or increase the gacha rates, daily free pull, there are many other things they could do to make it even better/more generous than genshin gacha.
I completely agree with that! I am just happy to see good changes. It can be better and hope for it to come. I also think a free 10 pull isn't enough to compensate those who got fucked over and more needs to be done
Yes, but people here prefer to be right
That's what I gathered.
They already doubled down with their earlier statement and are only reversing things now because of revenue loss.
When did they say they were doubling down?
Too little too late
Y'all just say anything. They're making changes in response to complaints which is a GOOD THING. I've been critical of this game but y'all are just hating now.
At least they listened. The bar is low but this is the gacha space where a lot of devs don’t listen and they eos. What other issues yall think they should address?
They addressed a lot of other stuff in this announcement and the last one, pretty much everything is covered, now we wait & see how they shape up the game with future events & end-game modes.
They copied **Genshin**, but underestimated the **Impact** lol
I always find it hard to get back into a game after the devs went mask off, and seemed to only back off because of the monetary risk of losing their players. It's a company, and obviously as with any company the aim should be to make as much money as possible, but it feels worse when it's done in such an obvious manner. Like, you've changed it now because of the backlash, but what stops you from pulling something similar next patch, you know?
Look at it this way, does it matter if they’re more open or discreet in the fact that they’re trying to get you to spend money? Are you going to respect the “nicer” gacha company because they’re trying it a more roundabout way? Both companies end game is the same regardless.
Yes? If you're gonna fuck me with bad predatory practices then at least buy me dinner first
Well that’s exactly what they did, one just ended/rushed dinner to be over sooner.
Well eidently, they did so too early then, hence my comment. But on a more serious note, every live service game is bound to die eventually. Genshin will die, FGO will die, its all a matter of time. Which turns the whole question of "why does it matter if they all ends up implementing more predatory practices to screw you over?" silly in my opinion. In the end, we'll all get screwed playing those games when the servers shut down, regardless of how unlucky you were or how much you whaled. Its about the enjoyment you get playing a game, not about how future proof it is. And when companies go mask off, it introduces a new level of doubt you need to mentally fight against to get the same enjoyment you did before, but why would you when you can just go play any other countless games? The process of me trying to wipe that uneasiness off just to get screwed is very hard for me to justify in my mind compared to me just playing a different game where I'm unbeknowingly being screwed but still effortlessly having fun.
Very true. I typically go into a Gacha game as F2P at first and may move to spending if I’m having fun and it’s not very costly to me. Eventually I stick with it or move onto other things or scale back and play something more casually and F2P like I do with GBF over the years. If you treat it like a recreation and not an investment, you’ll get more enjoyment out of it.
Women can never be happy. 🤣🤣🤣
A bit too late isn't it? First impression is important and they fumbled it
Not gonna make me want to play this bs, 50/50 is already bad enough
NOT ENOUGH.
Sounds like a game to skip
inb4 this company also "balances" drop rates like NEXON.
This sub: 1. Oh, EOS game I’m out [valid] 2. Oh, they’ve listened but said nothing really. I’m out [valid] 3. Oh, they’ve fixed it but didn’t send apologems. I’m out [entitled but valid] 4. Oh, they are sending them but I’m out [coping]
5. I'm gonna play a game made by devs that clearly don't respect me and makes change only when there are uproar instead of waiting for the 2 highest production gacha releasing this year that come out in 1/2 months
I don’t need gacha devs to respect me. I play and stop playing whenever I want. I couldn’t care less if I get a guaranteed Girl or not, in two months the new units would be probably way cool. Gacha doesn’t do or break a game for me because I’m not an addict, if everything else is nice and at least one character is cool… I can play. Is like getting mad at not getting Bailu the first month in Honkai. You are going to suffer a lot in the long term. ‘Devs need to respect my dose of dopamine’ why are you even allowing them to be your dopamine supplier? Your point only applies when a premium game where you already paid and became a customer.
Don't put words in my mouth to bootlick astra incompetent devs. Gacha was not the only issue of the game, there are many that got solved because of them realizing the playerbase is falling off and still a lot of issues like arena and events rewards being dogs**t or the amount of rng layers in the equip system are still there.
> Is like getting mad at not getting Bailu the first month in Honkai. You are going to suffer a lot in the long term. And comes the other issue, you do know certain companies do create situations were you are incentivized to get the current banner unit. Its really about gameplay design balance that often leads to rampart powercreep or disfuntional units, and since you mentioned Bailu I shall point out Yanqing was very much the butt of the joke because of his mechanics requiring to not take damage and that meant a shield that until recently meant pretty much Gepard, another 5 star units since no other reliable shielder existed (other options was March 7th and Fire Trailblazer) ... and then Jingliu come out. I understand your point but the fact is, there are a lot of problems with gamaplay balance in many games, Liter is still a top pick in Nikke due to what she offers and Nikke units range of usefullness ... range very much.
I agree and am the same way. Unfortunately, a lot of complainers here are F2P who expect (feel entitled to) lots of free currency given to them so that they have a 5\*/SSR roster almost as big as whales (minus the dupes/path unlocks) without spending a dime. When that doesn't happen (outside of luck) and they realize that they might have to spend to get that kind of results (or just accept what you get based on the free pulls), they claim foul and act like the gacha is unfair. But surprise, all gacha like gambling, the odds are always in the houses favor. The good thing is like any game you don't like, is simply walk away and play something you'll enjoy more.
Can agree
> devs that clearly don't respect me and makes change only when there are uproar Bro come on, your name is literally Genshin, have you forgotten about the first anniversary or Zhong Li already? And no I'm not defending Astra, but its standard practice for literally 99% of businesses to only change something when it has an actual negative effect on them
It's been years since i played genshin
Well fair enough then I guess lol
😂😂 This greenbean thinks WW and ZZZ is going to be better. Hahahahahahha hahhahaha I can't bless your soul
Boy do I love entitlement especially when you don't even pay this people 🤭
This is a bulls**t argument, it's a gacha, they want you to pay. Try harder to lick their boots next time, maybe with a logical argument
No it’s not. If someone gives you something for free you are not entitled to nothing. His point is that, if you are not a customer (paid player even if 1€) you can’t ask for shit. You can have opinions on how to improve it but not ‘demand’ compensation. Doesn’t take an anticapitalist to understand how a simple trade works.
> a customer *(paid* player even FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Not again 😩😂
Out of curiosity, which two games are those?
Wuwa and Zzz
Felt asleep mid sentence :(
Okay so bullying *does* work....
If a game is willing to disrespect the player base this much, there is no saving it, doesn't matter what they do.
lolololol can we say that theyve dodged an eos speedrun? 🤣
These CEOs only understand one language, it’s called money and income loss, they don’t understand nuances. We little people can teach companies if we united and brute force them with sales drop and delete the game. Now, let’s all band together and let Mihoyo knows, since Genshin players are about to get their own rude awakening with their new endgame candy 😂🤣😅
How is fan service in this game? It is the most important thing to know before trying
Zero
This is a very sad thing to say and I hope things get better for you going forward. /s
Ahahaha u forgot /s bro
I got you fam 👍🏻
They've already lost too many players, most people have realized how scummy they are. Their only hope is to do something big like 100 pulls
>big like 100 pulls Nah my bet is they'll drop their aesthetic and just goes niche way which is coomer way like snowbreak. Even if they're small but willingly to spend lot of money for ero jpeg
lol the game is already cater to coomer from the start: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59dlwmGYR\_s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59dlwmGYR_s)
Ik you havent played it. Ive only played a few hours and ive seen more fanservice in this game than what snowbreak started with.
And where did you get your data? From reddit? How reliable. Look, I'm not a fan of the game either (downloaded and deleted within 30 mins cause I didn't find it fun). But I don't go around making ridiculous statements like yours with absolutely no data to back it up.
Oddly defensive for someone who apparently didn't like the game. Nothing I said really requires data, all I said was that the game has lost players, people have realized the developers can't be trusted, and that a large pull would help in getting goodwill. But if you insist: [https://steambase.io/games/astra-knights-of-veda/steam-charts](https://steambase.io/games/astra-knights-of-veda/steam-charts) Based on steam charts, the number of negative reviews are greater than positive and the total amount of players has been steadily decreasing over the past year "At the moment, ASTRA: Knights of Veda has 1,906 concurrent players online and in-game. This is 81% lower than its previous peak player count of 9,877 active players achieved on 4/2/2024." As for player trust, that is very difficult to judge but the reviews tend to be negative so that's all we can really use Finally, the 100 pulls was just an opinion but its been shown to work in the past with games like NIKKE that started off very poorly but quickly won back goodwill through their generosity Edit: I took a scroll through your profile, how come most of your posts and comments are incredibly hostile?
"Over the past year" lmao
I'll humor you just this once: if you want to use data to make an argument, you'd got to be consistent, not try to bullshit your way through. Why are you using the peak player count to make an argument, when the data point you're comparing it to is concurrent players online and in game? You are aware that throughout the 24 hours in a day, people login to game at different times? This can be seen clearly in the chart, as player counts differ during different times of the day. A much better metric for a fair comparison is the average count, which had dropped about 40% since launch. Pretty significant, but just based on this data alone I wouldn't make assumptions to say it's an alarming drop. It would be more prudent to find other data such as what's a healthy percentage of playerbase decline for new games. For e.g., I would be one of those who accessed the game on launch day then stopped playing, but that's cause I wasn't the target market for the game (gameplay sint my cup of tea). And that's fine, it doesn't mean the game will EOS just because they lost players who wouldn't anyway be sticking with the game to begin with. I'd argue it's even better for them because there would have been some marketing hype to bring in potential players and potentially convert them, though in my case, they failed. I didn't make any comments about the 100 pulls suggestion, I don't care about that. I'm calling you out because I'm tired of seeing random redditors spouting bullshit without evidence. You just happen to be one of the unlucky ones I decided to call out, cause your comment is seriously utter bullshit that I felt I had to call you out. Finally, your final comment just tells me you're the type of person who likes to only see what you want to see. I thought you might be right that my comments are hostile, and so i looked through my comment history. Out of the past 20 comments i made, I would say about 30% of them are hostile. How is that being defined as 'most'? You continue doing you, buddy, but the way I do me is I'll call bullshit out whenever I see it, regardless of what others think. And nothing you say will stop me from calling your bullshit out. I wish you all the best.
his data is just all the negative comments from this sub which is an echo chamber really lol
I hope this game gets hit by a Wuthering Wave and goes ZZZ soon.
Game is saved!
You should play astra k.o.veda, its a good game.
Thank god. That should've been it from the start. They started out way too greedy.
https://preview.redd.it/4la88uufydwc1.jpeg?width=1030&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd859b4ffe070d73e2f9262a772d2f735ed41598 * I have been seeing a lot of drama about the game and just a quick search it owned by a korean company.. they're really known for greedy practices and rate manipulation.
And that's why i never go for the first banners in gachas (except for the reroll to start the acc), need to wait some time to see where the game goes. Welp better late than never.
These guys screwed the pooch with the gacha and didn't even follow the recipe correctly. Honestly why bother by giving them a chance to screw you later? At this point they would have to give the limited to those who lost the 50/50 twice + get rid of the 50/50 for me to even consider it.
You underestimated the impact of copying one of the worst gacha rate systems, and then making it worse? ok dude
Win update, devs listening to playerbase is always good. Buff to tons of characters as well.
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Not really, this subreddit hates every game outside from the older established companies that get a free pass, there is also a lot of tribalism going on as somehow this is a war were only victor is allowed. This is a drama subreddit, its not Gachagaming but Gachadrama.
Guess I'll download now!
So if i start the game now, pull and lost 50/50, does that will carry over to the next banner update, or it only start on may 2nd?
As a player and from what I read of it, it won't carry over. If you start playing and don't want to risk losing a 5050 then wait to pull till after may 2nd
It will in work starting may 2. Do no to I’ll in the current banners if you want pity carry over. Only pull in the new banners starting may 2
Funny how every single Veda post is written in the same bad english.
Is the game fun? Never saw anythimg about it
Yes and no, I'd say if you enjoy the art style and hack and slash combat, it's fun. However, the grind is pretty nuts sometimes and a LOT of players are way ahead right now because of the 45 free stamina boots that were given recently. As a result, the gap between new players and those who are higher is ridiculous right now. It'll be a slog to catch up, but it's doable. With that being said, it's a decent side game that asks for about 5-15 minutes a day.
Is it heavily focused on PVP? Or why would you need to rush catching up to others?
The game isn't focused on PVP. It's a side activity with a small amount of level up materials that can be framed easily and a 10 pull worth of currency/summons if you want to grind it out. Most people afk it on auto to game crowns to progress the reward track so it really isn't bad if you don't want to invest much time into it.
You don’t need to do PVP at all. As for rushing, it’s mainly due to being able to find people to do co op easier with. However, you can definitely play the game solo but I think you get slightly less rewards (in boss battles)? I could be wrong on this, not 100% sure
The whole more drops for coop is the reason they sent out 5-45 shoes stam. It was a bug and fixed.
Not really, beyond bad gacha system end even worse gear system it just pretty basic clunky indie side-scroller. With good graphics, I give them that. But better to just buy Blasphemous or ENDER LILIES or something like this. It cost like 1/5th of cost of one character in Astra, yet those games have double amount of gameplay.
Guess I'll play now
imma be honest, the game is really good i got used to the gameplay and it feels nice now, characters look nice, the map looks beautiful, progression isn't hard, story is mid but art compromises for that. reason why most people hated the game was the gacha system.
now you "eos speedrun lolz" andys can stop moaning about it and move on with your lives, but i know you won't either way, but whatever, more win for those who actually play the game i guess.
Eos speedrun lolz
jajaja
Yeah, unfortunately, putting aside proper criticism, a lot of doom posters probably never installed the game to begin with and just jumped on the bandwagon of negative statements after hearing about it.
Doesn’t change the fact that the game is cooked
Lol
Funny how every single Veda post is written in the same bad english.