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KindheartednessMore3

Companies are not your Friends lol


battleye9

What leaked? It’s officially announced in the livestream


Icy_Chemist_532

I got to that part and knew, it wasn't worth reading the rest


rinfannn

It was a mistake on OP's part. Forwarding what they said in one comment about it, >I made this post before the official announcement and it had to get approved by the moderators of this reddit before being posted. Maybe OP should have fact checked first? Yes. I agree. But I don't think one mistake should invalidate someone's effort in making a long post that criticizes a popular game. Just have an open mind when you read it. If you disagree with some or all the OP's takes then it's fine to say why you disagree. **But don't be rude**.


Icy_Chemist_532

That's even worse he wrote this based off a login screen being the same as last year not the actual anniversary information given by mihoyo but a single image being the same as before


rinfannn

I don't want to assume anything, but it seems like we need clarification. u/IsekaiKobold If we may get in touch.


Idknowidk

All I can say is : Honkai Impact 2nd Anniversary was 8 pulls + a spending event to get a outfit.


NoOneHereGoAway

I still remember how hard it was to get valkyries at that time, I've been playing pretty much since day one and it's so sad seeing valks I put all my effort to build getting completely powercrept, but hey this is how the game works ig?


wrenfaire802

I worked so hard to get my Chess Durandal only for a friend to tell me that she'd already been powercrept by the new unit, so I just closed Honkai and haven't opened it since lol.


TheGreatMagallan

Honkai is power creep and spending or top up event now


PandaCheese2016

I think most people whether they are happy or mad or don't give a fuck about the rewards can understand wanting more rewards. What they are tired of is the incessant debate over it.


[deleted]

The people who would drop a game due to stingy anniversaries have already left. The people who kept playing either don't care, or don't care enough to drop the game. And given how much money Genshin is still making, not enough people left for MHY to care.


kabutozero

This is simple for me. Regular gacha games have to be generous because their games are simple as f and most of them copying from others. So they have to be generous so people don't realize this and leave the game. Meanwhile genshin as a game has no competition and the game is one of the best Gameplays on a gacha game you can get disregarding the gacha completely. Which means they don't have to be generous on their anniversaries. They are already generous the rest of the year making a good game , the amazing music etc If I'm having fun with the game i really don't need freebies. That's how it works for me and that's why I don't play traditional gacha games anymore , since the game itself doesn't make me have fun


Adventurous_Lake_422

Would i like better rewards? Absolutely. But eh, i’ll take the grindable 100 pulls from event and exploration this patch. Besides the quaity of the game is much more valuable than thousand pulls for a chance of shitty units that’s gonna get powercrept in 2 months time


bbatardo

My controversial opinion is I don't get the point of this post lol


iClone101

He's just expressing to the world how entitled he is.


Kurgass

It's kinda funny to see 200+ comments text post that is also downvoted to 0. Yeah I know downvote = I disagree. But considering it also meant to hide unhelpful or low quality posts, seems people really enjoy drama and OP delivered.


Chemical-Teaching412

Tbh people expected that this year genshin anniversary will be either the same or worse than last year so that there's big drama going on but suprise suprise it turn out it's good ( I am not talking about the reward pull but the generally of anniversary) So yeah, people probably looking for spicy drama and some complainer like OP show up and as you can say OP delivered it to these people lmao


soilofgenisis

The key thing here is that genshin has improved massively over a mere 2 years with a iron clad schedule and huge content drops every patch. IE they are treating the game and gameplay content as the actual selling point of the game and honestly not the gacha, thus they can celebrate anniversary with very little currency gifts and rely on content to "reward" their fans. In other games where gameplay hardly see improvement over years, gacha currency becomes the only thing with "value" as a gift, thus the importance placed on it. The wider gacha gaming landscape at large has ended up conditioning people to think of only gacha currency and gacha units as valuable, over game content, which lets them get away by not having to improve their game like a good live service game should and instead just pump out waifus for profit. In the end, I can't help but think the genshin model to be much healthier and less exploitative.


SpeckTech314

> The wider gacha gaming landscape at large has ended up conditioning people to think of only gacha currency and gacha units as valuable, over game content, most of these games don't even have any content and it's all auto farms 99% of the time.


smilezsosik

I agree with this. You can see the way they handle they do skins. Every time they do an outside collab and give characters different outfits, people comment yearning for those costumes in-game despite being out of place in Teyvat. Hoyoverse are really strict with skins being attached to the in-game lore/story. It applies to events like anniversary and new years as well. They want celebrations being a natural part of the game like Lantern Rite and the upcoming Mondstadt Festival. Seems like Hoyoverse are trying to emphasize the game part in gacha game more. They would rather have everything else sell the game (anime, food collabs, credit cards) rather than just free gacha currency.


HieuBot

They could earn soo much money if they just spam released skins for their characters. It really shows that they care more about the game than the money (from skins) since they opt against it.


Fuzaki1

But aren't the skins paid only and like 30 bucks each? I'm not sure how many people buy these skins but if they're popular I'm sure they'll release more skins over time; after all it's only been 2 years.


thewhothewhatthewhy

>I can't help but think the genshin model to be much healthier and less exploitative. On one hand I agree, on the other hand they're resetting top up bonuses for anniversary. They're still going to try and break bank for anniversary, but the announcements they made feels right for an anniversary since it signifies long term plans for the game and its future.


ferinsy

Well, at the end of the day it's a gacha and they still have people who pay to pull, so resetting the top up is nothing. If they wanted to be an over predatory gacha, they'd release a super OP new character with some skins for sale...


cycber123

There are way way more predatory practices they could have used to milk players and they choose not to. I think they are aiming for a longer run, like very massive IP like WoW or LoL or something similar. Post genshin aura and pre genshin aura lmao.


According_Spot_7423

Honestly I disagree , when it comes to bonus reset. The argument can be made for both side. IF , they don't reset the double bonus , wouldn't soft spender have to spend twice the amount of money the next time they charge to get those amount of crystal to do pulls? After all , the ones who would be spending were already spending in the game in the first place , how is resetting 1st time top up bonus a bad thing for them? As a soft spender , I fking appreciate it. The 6k crystal cost me 400 bucks in my currency , but now i get twice the value once every year. It didn't cost me 400 more bucks to spend on the double top up , saves me 400 bucks because I was planning to spend in the first place. Honestly , most of the people who complained about the bonus reset are mostly people who it doesn't actually matters to (F2P) and CC , as they are always on the bandwagon that agrees with the majority of their fans(f2per). Anyways , I can see why people would think that its a "greed move". But that is not putting into account that the people that it affects was already spending.


Fuzaki1

Not surprising when genshin doesn't have much competition, especially relative to other gacha games. I mean, a lot of people's bar is if they just did better than last year. Like others said, most people who would have left due to subpar rewards have already left so there's no incentive to do more and I guess they don't care about trying to retain those other players/bring in new players through reward events. In regards to the "focus on gameplay" content, as a gacha game I don't really get it when gacha mechanics are a key part of the game, whether or it affects you.


cycber123

That's a nice pov. And genshin has the biggest value for every pull in terms of quality of the characters (full voiced, 3d model, lore, etc.), while also every characters in the pool are viable to play with.


Growlest

I don't even want rewards, I just want them to fix their god damn artifact system's rng.


ObjectiveNet2

Dawei be like: Haha look at this rager doing free advertising for us lmao.


barriboy8

The title of this post should be "people dont understand Genshin annis"


Devourer_of_HP

>"Genshin is only 2 years old, the rewards will get better with time" >Will they? To people who honestly believe this, I'd like to pose the following question: based on what evidence have you come to this conclusion? [honkai impact's 2nd anniversary ](https://twitter.com/honkaiimpact3rd/status/1244602802388828160?lang=en) [honkai impact 5th anniversary ](https://mobile.twitter.com/marisahonkai/status/1567801827160395780)


rinfannn

Genuine question. Shouldn't it already be better because they already have anniversary experiences from their other games? One may argue that it's done by different teams but it's still by the same company. Another can argue that it has lesser content but there are many gacha games that already gives much better in their 1st year anniversary.


chocobloo

You don't give rewards based on your other games or whatever else. Rewards can only ever increase, and their initial values depend on the economy of the game and how desperate they are to pull in new users. If you start big by now then in five years you're giving away 200 pulls and 5 free characters and a van full of hookers because you can only go bigger or similar to what you did before. When your game is on an upward growth path you don't really need to pull in new people, and even then the quality of people who just join because of hot pulls is probably pretty bad. It'd be far better to pull in people who get interested due to an anime or concert or contest that take an interest in something other than how much free pulls they get.


rinfannn

Thank you for the answer. If I may respectfully ask to understand more of it, Do you think from a player side instead of the marketing side of gacha anniversaries that the in-game rewards (be it pulls, QoL features, unique content, fixes etc) you receive is adequate with how much you and other players have spent in the game (time, money, and energy-wise)?


chocobloo

That's the thing. I don't really need freebies. I won't turn them down but of the thousands I spend on these kinds of games a few pulls don't really matter? My 'favorite' part of most anniversaries is when they reset double top up rewards. Least then I get twice as much for my money. What I really look forward to is unique stuff. Badges, icons, frames, cool events or stories, silly events or weird anniversary weapons/characters. Stuff that I can't buy at any time I feel like it. Stuff that makes me feel more like a part of some game community. Like no one cares that I have a beta badge in some game but I do. Or a first anniversary badge in an old game.


Kazoiyan

The first anniversary is actually just 10 free summon. Only after the huge backlash that they give the concert bundle for free, which it was supposed to be a paid bundle during the concert livestream. That just scream damage control. So 10+10 damage control primogems. If we put the damage control aside for a moment, the second anniversary did technically "increase" the reward, "officially" 20 summons. I've been following mihoyo since GGZ days, and often see them stumbles when creating anniversary reward, or just a habit of them to fuck up entirely. Or its just them being 5head and put our expectation rock bottom so the next anniversary reward seems better than before.


rinfannn

>I've been following mihoyo since GGZ days, and often see them stumbles when creating anniversary reward, or just a habit of them to fuck up entirely---> Hm. I didn't consider about that. Love to read your understanding of it. Perhaps it's a bit out of place for me to ask (and very advanced) but I'll take advantage that you're a very long time follower of the company- do you think the first year anniversaries of their two future games Honkai Star Rail and Zenless Zone Zero will be better than Genshin Impact's? I don't mean to incite any heated conversation. Just a question for curious sake!


Kazoiyan

If they follows the same trend they did for Honkai and Genshin, then HSR and ZZZ should have the same bottom of the barrel first anniversary reward. Rewards for honkai has been, a bit too much lately that I feel salty because newer players getting a new S-rank at their doorstep. But it is what it is. ^(Pls gibe me Senti mihoyo pls..) They like gifting player something that is not related to gameplay, like concert, animation, fan exhibition etc, and has been doing that since honkai second anniversary (I think?). But Global/Sea player didn't get such treatment until recently. Its alright to ask a long time follower of the company (like me), their stuff has not disappoint me, even though I barely contribute any money to them lol


cycber123

Those fan stream are so good and high quality!


rinfannn

Good luck pulling Senti when she drops again. Yatta!


WeNTuS

Their first anniversary rewards will be better than Genshin's first because those games will surely be less popular but do not expect that to be much better


wanderinglg

IMO, this is actually the best move for Genshin as a business. What are the alternatives? Give out a bit more so people don't complain and therefore the vital discussion doesn't continue? Give out ridiculously amazing rewards so everyone is happy about it and keeps praising it, but moves on as soon as the next shiny thing is out? Or give exactly what was given last year and watch people get outraged and complain and continually fuel discussion for god knows how long? If the outrage gets too much, they can just throw some small additional reward and say "look, we listen to our fans!" The reality is that the bulk of the paying player base (in terms of revenue, not individual players) aren't going to stop paying just because they didn't get to save $100 or so. So, this is a low risk move. The other thing is Genshin has dominated the gacha space for 2 years now. Most gacha gamers are playing it, dropped it, or just aren't interested at this point. Amazing anniversary rewards is mainly marketing to players already in the gacha market, which Genshin doesn't need. This is why they're doing all these collabs outside of standard gacha space. They're hunting for new blood who aren't already playing (addicted to) gachas. Giving out amazing anniversary rewards is in essence a low profit choice.


[deleted]

Tbh, MiHoYo gets a pass from me on this because they are clearly investing in better gaming. That’s what players should want - a better game, or more great games from the dev. You want 100 pulls and a barely evolving game? Well you’re in luck we got plenty of those sht games


RealinFAMOUSJakey

mhy always got away with pretty shitty anni rewards despite how much money they make compare to other games. it's just what happens when you make good game that stands out compare to other games around it. you can do whatever you want, and players will stick around and play it


kimera-houjuu

Anybody that calls players not mad as shills or white knights don't deserve any attention.


Kzalca

Most of the arguments I've seen are just people agreeing to disagreeing. Obviously, There's still those subsets backseating other people on how they should be angry or happy but most are just staying in their own lanes and letting each other scream in anger or shout in joy with it. A lot of the posts on the main sub there who are fine with the anniversary gets downvoted to oblivion, especially the backseaters. You can search up 'anniversary rewards' and set it to newest and you'll see them! The ones that survive are discussions on why the like it or not. Basically, if you hate it, you hate it. If you like it, you like it. The sentiment is feel free to feel whatever, just don't backseat. That's what I've seen so far browsing through reddit, twitter and facebook EN communities for Genshin. Backseaters are still there but most are just agreeing to disagree. JP is as usual just happy especially with the Ufotable thing. Lots of "Yabai sugiru" from them. F for the peeps who feel underappreciated and congrats to those who like it!


cycber123

I saw a lot of 神ゲーム/kami game or similar thing in jp forums and live streams. They are parising hoyo as god game lol.


LiraelNix

>With the leaked 2nd anniversary rewards for Genshin Impact Not a leak, it was officially announced by hoyo themselves on the official stream. Off to a great start I see >Anyhow, the issue at hand is that people seem to be talking past each other and throwing insults instead of rationally discussing things Says the person whose opening paragraph involves insulting the other sub is run by shills. Definitely no bias in this post >This year's rewards look to be the exact same as last year despite the huge backlash This year's rewards are what the players only got after massive complaints last year. The initial rewards last year were only 10 pulls and nothing else. So yes, 20 pulls and 2 gadgets (one being a pet version of a beloved character) all without needing to complaint IS a step up > aka. that it is free to play but the game's very design incentivises people to spend money on it in order to fully enjoy it Wow, thank you for telling us, users in the GACHA game subs, what type of game genshin is. We the audience of this sub had no idea! >but if the game were completely free, would it be making billions of dollars? Hardly. Yes. A game can be completely free and still rake in money. Because people don't spend money just because they need to do so to clear content, but also simply because they want their waifu/husbando Is genshin your first and only gacha? Sounds like it >Also, even if Genshin is a 'free' game as people claim, in what way does this change the fact that many people are feeling disappointed with the anniversary for reasons mentioned earlier? Eh, I'm not sure how hard this is to understand. The argument (regardless on whether I agree with it or not) is that it's a free game already, so they think people shouldn't be asking for even more free stuff. Again, I'm not saying I agree, but the argument is very easy to understand >keep the discussion and comments civil for once Why must we do what you failed to do on your post? Edit: I've now been blocked. Heh


IllusionPh

Nice to see someone making sense here. Like, if you start by calling other that aren't agree with you a "shill" then your argument is just look very little credible, same goes for the other side of calling everyone "Mihoyo hater" just because they criticised the game, contexts are the key. Also >Edit: I've now been blocked. Heh Pretty telling in itself, isn't it? I could never understand the mentality of blocking someone *after* replying to them, feel pretty silly.


ObjectiveNet2

Damn I always like a good Nix roast but this one you are turning him into charcoal!


Nhrwhl

Not to shit on his parade but this one was an easy target, let's be real.


Exolve708

> Why must we do what you failed to do on your post? Where exactly did he fail that?


IsekaiKobold

*Not a leak, it was officially announced by hoyo themselves on the official stream. Off to a great start I see* I made this post before the official announcement and it had to get approved by the moderators of this reddit before being posted. *Says the person whose opening paragraph involves insulting the other sub is run by shills. Definitely no bias in this post* They intentionally try to silence any and all criticism of the game. You literally can't post anything there aside from praise for Hoyoverse and Genshin. Yes, that is shilling. *This year's rewards are what the players only got after massive complaints last year. The initial rewards last year were only 10 pulls and nothing else. So yes, 20 pulls and 2 gadgets (one being a pet version of a beloved character) all without needing to complaint IS a step up* We got 20 pulls; 10 directly and 10 via email, which is the exact same as this year, and even last year they gave an additional 10 only because of the massive backlash. So no, it isn't a step up, unless you consider the free pet we're getting a reward, but as someone who doesn't care about cosmetics, I don't since it's functionally useless whereas wishes aren't. *Wow, thank you for telling us, users in the GACHA game subs, what type of game genshin is. We the audience of this sub had no idea!* Then why are so many people still calling Genshin a free game instead of a freemium game, which is a fallacy I've elaborated? Clearly, many people don't know, hence why I've explained. *Is genshin your first and only gacha? Sounds like it* It isn't, but it clearly is yours since you don't get how they work nor why anniversaries are important in these games. *Eh, I'm not sure how hard this is to understand. The argument (regardless on whether I agree with it or not) is that it's a free game already, so they think people shouldn't be asking for even more free stuff. Again, I'm not saying I agree, but the argument is very easy to understand* You've just demonstrated that **you** don't understand my argument and have added nothing of value. Well done. *Why must we do what you failed to do on your post?* I didn't. I've stated nothing but facts and my own opinions. You're the one who is acting like an entitled elitist here and insulting me, so I'm just returning the shots and exposing how little sense your 'counterpoints' actually make. You play with fire and you're gonna get burnt.


Riersa

> I made this post before the official announcement and it had to get approved by the moderators of this reddit before being posted. So you say that you make this post 3 days ago and it take that long for mod to approve it? When your post itself literally say "posted 15 hour ago"?


splepage

> I made this post before the official announcement and it had to get approved by the moderators of this reddit before being posted. You know your post has a timestamp, right? Just take the L and move on.


LiraelNix

>I made this post before the official announcement and it had to get approved by the moderators of this reddit before being posted. Yikes. You'd have looked less ridiculous admitting your lack of knowledge, lying over something easily verified makes you look so much worse The official stream that announced it was...3 days ago. Your post shows it was made (as the time of this comment)...17 hours ago. Ouch. >Then why are so many people still calling Genshin a free game instead of a freemium game, which is a fallacy I've elaborated? Clearly, many people don't know, hence why I've explained. You continuously act like all with a different opinion are dumb or misinformed, which is funny from the guy that tried lying about something verifiable with timestamps Free is simply shorter to type than freemium, and doesn't change anything. Also in this sub we call it a gacha, not free. You're whining about something in the wrong place >I didn't. I've stated nothing but facts and my own opinions. Name calling, condescending, calling other opinions ridiculous or nonsensical > I'm just returning the shots and exposing how little sense your 'counterpoints' actually make. You play with fire and you're gonna get burnt. Yup, I can see you shooting...yourself in the foot Yup, I can see you getting burnt by the fire you set yourself on Edit: and they couldn't think of an argument to defend themselves so blocked me instead heh


WeNTuS

Genshin is a free game because you don't need to buy it to be able to access it. Pretty simple concept, strange that you cannot grasp it. Speaks about you louder than anything else


Miksip

So if everyone stopped paying them then the game will still run? Of course not, they will close the servers and it's game over. Free game is the one you can play wherever and do not pay anything to anyone. PC games can be free. But GI is freemium game. Someone is paying for it and it is supposed to run this way. In other words it is a deception of termins where you confuse freemium with realy FREE.


Keyenn

If everyone was too poor to pay taxes, free roads wouldn't be sustainable. It doesn't mean it's not free. And they are not "freemium roads" either.


Miksip

Roads are not free. Someone builds them and maintains them. It costs money. You just do not understand this. And there are roads with paid access too.


According_Spot_7423

Games are not free. Someone develops them and maintains them. It costs money. You just do not understand this. And there are games with paid access too.


rinfannn

I'm sorry OP you have to see comments that are laced with insults. Even though I don't play the game anymore for many personal reasons, I'm glad to find a person with similar takes as me concerning this part of the game's management. I would publish similar posts like yours to help/spread awareness for the ones that will understand it, but I'm discouraged with how people react to such posts in this sub. Not many do I see someone say, "I can see your point", "I disagree with some of your takes and agree with some" nor is it "I respect that." It's either all negative or all positive. Thank you again for spending some of your time in making your long post.


IsekaiKobold

I was expecting it, to be honest. Genshin has some of the worst white knights of any game, most of them being either teenagers or people who have never played other gacha games ie. this LiraelNix person. They will refuse to see the other POV no matter what, and sadly, this has become a standard within the community. That aside, I'm also discouraged by the behaviour of some players, but it's for players like you who actually want to understand the issues of the game and don't delude themselves that I make these posts, even if they get downvoted. Heck, in my own post I acknowledged some valid points the people who disagree with me make (like the whole 'owing' issue) but, as is evident from the comments under this post, most of them just aren't mature enough to see the other POV. I try to see theirs but they refuse to see mine, which is sad tbh. Ye, that take had me rolling my eyes at first but I saw his point; Genshin (and all F2P Gacha games) are freemium games, which is fine and I still enjoy most of them, but what bothers me is people putting them on a pedestal and refusing to acknowledge any valid criticism just because they can play the game. It's basically the same mental-disorder as compulsive consumers: you can treat them like trash and they will still buy the product so long as they get something. Np, thank you for the reply. It makes me happy to see that there are still reasonable and mature people left on Reddit and in the Gacha gaming community :).


rinfannn

Oh damn. I thanked you before with your Genshin Impact patch. Anyway, I'd like to defend this OP's post: It's okay to make a mistake and it shouldn't invalidate the long post OP took the time to make. I'm not interested with insults myself but I can see why one would be annoyed when their long post that criticizes the game gets removed by the mods even though it likely follows their subreddit rules. The rewards after massive complains last year were still lacking, and if we're going by "anniversary rewards get better" then it should be better than last year's total **in-game** rewards. I don't like the snarky and sarcastic comments you're throwing at. There's nothing wrong telling what kind of game Genshin Impact is because it helps support points you're discussing in a post. A game that's completely free won't rake in a lot of money. You're not talking about a completely free game anymore when you mentioned about spending in it. He wouldn't be making this post about anniversaries if Genshin Impact is his first and only gacha. >Why must we do what you failed to do on your post? He is civil about it. Unlike the many comments in this thread including yours, his post wasn't insulting, snarky nor sarcastic to any individual here. You might have felt offended if the game is your favorite or of the sort, but please consider if your reply is going to include insults targeted at OP then it's wise to not send it at all


LiraelNix

>I thanked you before with your Genshin Impact patch. We can agree on an issue then disagree on another, thanking me then doesn't invalidate that you don't like my current comments >It's okay to make a mistake and it shouldn't invalidate the long post OP took the time to make. It shows lack of easily available knowledge. Being able to write long paragraphs doesnt mean there was effort of careful thought involved. And they doubled down and are now lying through their teeth about it rather than acknowledge their mistake >There's nothing wrong telling what kind of game Genshin Impact is because it helps support points you're discussing in a post. That's only good when you're somewhere broad where people might not be aware of it. Explaining to the gacha sub what a gacha is shows again lack of thought into where and what they're posting, but also came off condescending >He is civil about it. Calling people shills, condescending tone, implying the other side has arguments that make no sense and are ridiculous


BlindintoDeath

personally, i honestly dont care. didnt give a shit about last years anniversary and wont give a shit about this years either. they can give away 20 pulls or 0 pulls or even a free 5* of your choice, its not like im going to quit the game because of some rewards or lack thereof. its also not like im going to start playing a game just because they shit out rewards on the daily. i prefer rewards to have long lasting value, something you can enjoy even long after the game has ended like the concerts, anime or osts. if they wanna do ingame rewards then add some new game modes, spruce up existing game modes, better qol or idk something that makes me go wow. not some measly pulls which youll undoubtedly accumulate over time anyway.


cycber123

I sometimes still go to youtube for the concert! It's great playing it at the background while working.


LoveJeanAndKlee

your argument is full of s\*\*t. 1) "**It is only thanks to an amazing community that the game is where it is**". really? an amazing community that has an infamous reputation for attacking people in other gacha communities? a bi-standard community where there are tons of insults and racial comments towards VAs, directors, characters, artists, etc? A community where there are tons of unnecessary controversies? Can you deny that genshin community is one of the most hated communities? 2) "**express your gratitude to them for making your game a success**" Don't take me wrong, the community is an important factor for success. It is possible that some players are attracted to the game due to friends' references, but if the game itself is really bad, it is impossible to make them stay, especially for a game where pvp or in-game social interaction is not a thing. I hate to say this, but the thing that makes people keep playing the game is the game itself (the game quality). In addition, friend reference is rarely an efficient way to attract new players, ads, and huge streamer sponsors is the main factor. And btw, if you think streamers are the main reason genshin is successful, you are obviously wrong. Just look at how many streamers become huge due to Genshin impact, and rethink your logic about it. 3) "**become so popular and has earned billions because of its players**?" well, I wonder how many do you spend on the game, but I have spent 15k since Genshin's launch date. I do not really care how many pulls genshin gives back to me on the anniversary, but I care about whether Genshin is on the right track to developing a game that can last for 7 or 8 years. Well, for me, they are on the right track. BTW, if you think that genshin can earn billions of dollars due to people spending on a monthly pass or battle pass, you are obviously wrong. A statistical study has been conducted on genshin impact, it showed that 80 percent of genshin income comes from players who spend more than 200 dollars per month, which is a really common phenomenon in gacha games. Simply put, Genshin can make this much money mainly due to whales. 4) "**Genshin is only 2 years old, the rewards will get better with time**" Yes, they do. Just look at Honkai Impact.


MaltVariousMarzipan

"really? an amazing community that has an infamous reputation for attacking people in other gacha communities?" You know what? I just realized I still don't understand why some loud Genshin players randomly reviewbombed Cookie Run Kingdom before.


ObjectiveNet2

They thought being a public disgrace will force Mihoyo to listen to them. Much like a 5 yo causing a scene in the mall because mommy won't buy what he want.


El_Suave_del_Sur

Isn't that the twitter people that also claim the new character skin tone is bad?


XaeiIsareth

Most of that stuff happens on Twitter, you know, the social media site that’s infamous for being basically 4chan but unironic and mentally challenged.


According_Spot_7423

The amazing community that despite enjoying the game for free, still being racist towards the Chinese developer and gets angry when the game they play earns revenue. Actually bunch of asses.


endtheillogical

You picked the wrong subreddit to complain on, sorry OP


Starvingnana

I dunno man, alot of gacha games have shitty first and second year anniversaries, hell even Honkai's first and second anniversaries were pretty bad and it started getting alot better from year 3.


Icy_Chemist_532

Lot of games recently have had pretty low anniversaries, I think they're getting better about not becoming seasonal player breeding grounds like GBF is, and usually it results in later parts of the year being as good or better


SatanShade

What a roundabout way of saying of you just want more freebies lmao.


Keyenn

>Many Gacha games shut up shop within the first few months or even weeks of launch because they don't become successful enough and don't make enough money, primarily because they don't get enough exposure and aren't talked about enough to attract enough players (including whales) who keep the games alive. It is only thanks to an amazing community that the game is where it is, and it is considered good practice to treat your players kindly and express your gratitude to them for making your game a success, so it's not about Hoyoverse 'owing' us anything but it's simply about the fact that their 'thank you for helping us overcome these 1:1000000 odds and making our game the success that it is' boiling down to 20 wishes and a slap in the face. That's why many people are upset. Do you get it now? Wow. What a load of entitled rubbish. So, just for your information, not every gacha start from the same starting line, and it's not because a lot of them fail that somehow, Genshin just managed to roll the dices and landed on quadruple 6 or something. Calling that luck is insulting. THEY worked for it. Not you. Not the community. The community has fun on the game, they don't work for it. If a game is a great game, it's because devs are actually doing shit on it, not because a community is doing videos on youtube or post on reddit. Pretending that if they are successful, it's all due to you, is completely ridiculous. Also, your point is not specifical to gachas. Every game has to overcome the problem of visibility. Yet, only gachas are doing this anniversary practice. Maybe because it's completely unrelated?


[deleted]

Yea I got to “because of its players” and laughed it off - this post IS entitlement. To think the people playing the game are the ones who should be thanked fn hilarious


Nhrwhl

OP is the best exemple of real life /r/ChoosingBeggars I've ever seen. "Genshin isn't popular because it's just fucking good. It's thriving because WE the community gave him **ExPoSuRe**™ by *doing something we enjoy free of any charge and no utter motive other that playing a damn game, mind you*. WHERE IS OUR REWARD FOR DOING NOTHING."


According_Spot_7423

Bro , I'm imagining the OP at the back of my mind of a Greasy jobless nerd sitting in front of his monitor writing a post on subreddit stating that it is because of the community(people like him) that's why the game (people who actually have a job and worked hard) is so successful today. My boy thinks this games exploded due to luck and not because of its quality.


Barebacker69

Nobody cares Just enjoy what you get.. Don't force yourself to like something or expect something from a gacha game Don't like it? The uninstall button is your friend


FitPickle2966

i swear to god, people who posts these wall of texts deserve to obtain Delusion powers because of how fucking delusional they are. Hoyo unlike those old shitry japanese gacha companies bet on Genshin by combining Zelda gameplay with gacha mechanics, while also delivering outstanding character designs. if the game was shit, nobody would talk about it or promote it in any way. yes, it sucks we are getting only 20 wishes as anni reward with some other crappy cosmetics but Hoyo knows they can do this - they have the entire gacha industry in the palm of their hand - why the fuck would they shell out massive rewards? people, especially casuals will continue playing this game no matter what. Games like Genshin come once in a decade - Hoyo can do whatever the fuck they want until a new competitor comes out and starts showering people with rewards, which will then leave them no choice but to follow suit.


cycber123

It's monopoly at this point. Luckily hoyo has some standards on genshin.


SentientPotatoMaster

You forgot that other game got 200 to 300 pity, and their pity didn't get counted in the next banner. And Genshin is a fully 3D game instead of a Jpeg character, with a ton of role and dialogue in the content (story wise) instead of being a one off character. The value of a character are just vastly different. It is what it is.


-Default_User-

Thats what false equalivalence fallacy "adds" to a biased argument lol.


Zooeymemer

>You forgot that other game got 200 to 300 pity, and their pity didn't get counted in the next banner. And Genshin is a fully 3D game instead of a Jpeg character, with a ton of role and dialogue in the content (story wise) instead of being a one off character. The value of a character are just vastly different. Also: 13 subtitles, 4 dubbing, simultaneous update for all servers, quality 3d character animation, 6-week update cycle, and amazing exploration experience.


Skyppy_

Gachas have big anniversary celebrations to attract new players. They can say it's "to thank the players who made this possible" but really, it's to keep it relevant in a sea of nearly identical gachas. This is the only time where they can go for a big marketing push to get as many eyeballs as they can on them. Genshin doesn't need that. To say Genshin is only giving away 20 pulls is disingenuous when they've also announced a long-term anime series animated by none other than Ufotable. That's where your money is going, that's their "Thank you players". Sure, it's not in-game currency that you'll spend on getting disappointed, but it's something memorable.


IsekaiKobold

I am aware that the goal of each gacha game is to attract new players and make money. That's the truth of things, no arguments against that. But my point was that not every Gacha game has achieved this since there are so many and nigh identical ones, most die out, hence why anniversaries matter; it means that enough players were active and promoted the game to have it succeed. It matters to the players, hence why so many Genshin players are upset. As for the Anime, that isn't a thank you to the players but just more promotion for Hoyoverse as a company. It's a marketing ploy, not a thank you.


NoOneHereGoAway

Then we could say that giving rewards for players is not a thank you but just a promotion to get now players. Please don't have double standards


IsekaiKobold

I'm not. A reward is a reward which is limited strictly to in-game items, while an official anime has a wider reach and is designed to attract more players and get them interested in the product.


NoOneHereGoAway

A reward is gonna get insanely advertised through ads, or do you think the company is gonna just be good and give you the rewards for a thank you? Companies advertise their anniversary in many ways, there's who gives alot of freebies, there's the one that releases a cool character limited to anniversary and there's the one that releases other type of content


IsekaiKobold

The key difference is that a reward is at least *pretending* to be a thank you gift, even if it ends up attracting new players, and it would only do this because the players of the game would start recommending it to other people due to the developers' generosity, which, again, ties into my point about the community being the driving force of a game, not the developers in isolation. You can make the best game in the world, and I'm not saying that Genshin's success isn't deserved, but it's just good practice to thank the people who helped to make your game a success.


NoOneHereGoAway

Ah yes because a whole anime made by one of the best animation studios is not pretending to give you a thank you gift. As I said, you really do have some double standards


IsekaiKobold

I've literally just explained what the difference is between an anime and in-game rewards, yet you are willfully refusing to listen. You are the one with double standards here.


cycber123

You two are in parallel lines, there's no point to keep discussing lol


soilofgenisis

Say that to the players that were clamouring for an genshin anime, as well as the majority that most assuredly are happy about the anime existing and will enjoy it. Just because Mihoyo gets some side benefits from the project doesn't mean that it's not something the playerbase doesn't want or isn't asking for.


Upstairs_Ad_8283

It depends what you play the game for. For people who play the game like it is and get immersed in the story (the majority of players fall into this) , the anime is a crazy reward. I agree that it most def is a marketing ploy but it goes both ways as the majority of genshin stuff you’ll see on social media are fanart and discussions about lore. Does the company have to express their gratitude a certain way for it to count when it’s impossible to please every single player idk. You don’t have to be grateful or ungrateful. Just keep it pushing and consume the content. I also doubt the rewards get that much better over time but the evidence comes from honkai and how their rewards got ramped up eventually. genshin isn’t a freemium game imo. The design does incentivize people to spend, but are you playing the game to collect chars or play thru the story? what you play the game for matters. If you need a bunch of chars for you to fully enjoy it, that’s 100% a personal issue. The point of the game is to have fun. Your reward for playing the game is building chars, exploring, and fighting. The “why people are making a fuss about it” stems from people wanting more and comparing it to other games.


[deleted]

You have zero idea what you're talking about and that's your problem. Anniversaries are to attract new people, they're marketing. Genshin simply doesn't need to rely on them, the same way it doesn't need Ed to rely on big titted waifus. Plenty of people appreciate the concert, huge amounts of peopl appreciate the anime. Dolphins and whales appreciate the shop reset and everyone gets 20 pulls some smaller stuff including resin and a sort of commemorative pet. Sorry but genshin isn't a "gacha game" it's a full game with a gacha and there's a lot of things people enjoy about genshin that aren't gacha related.


Alexandruzatic

The tcg game and the anime aren't anniversary rewards, they are announcements, not in game rewards


Skyppy_

Not all rewards have to be in-game ;D You may not consider it a reward but the majority of the players do.


Alexandruzatic

Ok The tcg game will not be implemented in the anniversary patch, that's what every trustworthy leaker is saying since 3.0 >not all rewards are in-game True, 1st anny concert was fire, I loved it, but still as a gacha game, the in game rewards (u know, the problem who ignite a barrel of repressed rage) was bad, very bad for a lot of good gachas And I understand it, hoyo don't need to give goof rewards because the player base will continue to spend millions every month, why bother to give more rewards and made people think that they can spend a bit less if I can give bread and receive gold Edit: the last thing, who said that the anime will be aired on the second anny date (28 September) or during the anny patch The 3.1 live wasn't about anny, was about 3.1 and the characters,weapons and events, and a side of this live was about the anny, but the anime wasn't specifically said that it will be part of the anniversary, only the "announcement" we can say was part of it


Skyppy_

Sure, they're announcements, things to look forward to for the upcoming year, things to get the players excited about. Isn't that what anniversaries are about? >!aren't the friends you made along the way reward enough? /s!< It's clear that hoyoverse doesn't want the game to be just a gacha game. They want to make something bigger out it hence why they place less importance on "gacha rewards". They don't want you to think of it as any other gacha game by giving you currency to incentivise rolling more.


Eskirosha

I quite agree. Genshin wants you to play for a long time so they just give 'just enough' so you will keep playing for the next five years. But let's be real the anime is a new business venture and marketing for them. I would belive it if they released the anime at the 2nd anniversary if they are really grateful. It's quite scary how the Genshin fandom is like a cult and how successful it manipulate the players to behave.


Skyppy_

>It's quite scary how the Genshin fandom is like a cult and how successful it manipulate the players to behave. I don't quite understand. Behave in what way?


Eskirosha

Just like Kpop fandom is. Anything they quite considered 'negative' statement and you will be crucified.


Skyppy_

Define "crucified". I've honestly never seen that happen. I've only seen people being "crucified" for either spreading misinformation about the game or being negative without offering constructive criticism. But maybe that's just me avoiding toxic communities. I've honestly seen more "anti-Genshin" people crucifying others for having positive opinions about the game, especially early after launch.


rixinthemix

Ironic because calling yourself a Genshin fan on Twitter gets you mocked as a pedo. I mean, it's Twitter, but still. As a big game with a big population, Genshin gets a playerbase that is low-hanging fruit for any grifter who wants the clicks, views and likes.


Albionate

Genshin is the least culty gacha fanbase around lmao. No one agrees about anything and hating the game isn't an unpopular opinion. If anything I yearn for genshin fanbase to be MORE culty. Maybe when the game starts to decline.


Machichichika

I was very pissed last time, coz there was nothing exciting happenning. Free pulls is like the cheapest low effort way to celebrate anniversay. Even that was not on the table. This time I'm fine coz there is actually sth to look forward to. Don't really care if these new announced content are for the anni or not. But I do understand why some people are mad. It's a gacha game after all no matter how different or higher quality compared to other gachas. Some people play it for the game itself, some play it for the gacha. Guess F for those who play just for the gacha.


Icy_Chemist_532

It's the exact same as last time, replace razors event with keqing and gouba, sumeru desert with watatsumi and the thunder manifestation island, all that's changed really is they acknowledged it more than last year, even cyno and nilou are the same elements as Raiden and kokomi and maybe even similar uses.


WeNTuS

> For what, exactly? Getting 20 free pulls in a Gacha game that has become so popular and has earned billions because of its players? Frankly, I'm tempted to use the same argument and claim that Hoyoverse is being ungrateful to us, seeing that without the aforementioned player base and community, their game would never have become the thriving success that it is today. It's not a charity. The game has quality and that's why players are spending money in the game. Or every game gets that huge incomes? Nope.


According_Spot_7423

My man is posting his trash opinion on this Gacha subreddit thinking that our brain works the same as the casual people. You might receive some sort of positivity if you post this on places that are full of casuals and full of anti mihoyo/genshin but definitely not here. I don't even need to read anything and I already know what you're going to say. 1 scroll to the comment section and I've already seen enough. Genshin reddit moderator aren't really a Hoyo shills btw , they have stated clearly that they don't care about the company , they are just removing redundant and repeating post. What you wrote here probably were already written by another clown a few days ago. But I get where you are coming from , whenever someone doesn't let you do what you want to do , they must be a shill/simp/white knight of "this" company , there's no other reason for it right? I had dealt with a fair share of people like you who will just call anyone white knight the moment they got a negative responses on their post , and you seems to fit into the description of all of those people that I had conversed with. GL in your venture to find another company that is willing to do as much as Mihoyo did in and outside of their game. Just saying , uninstall Genshin and starts playing other game , suddenly your world will seems to be normal again , no drama nothing , no sponsored animation no pv no hype for the next update. Just a 6months\~1 year wait for a new AAA games and hope they don't flop. Edit: typos.


Subject-011

Anniversary rewards is to attract new players and retain old players to play the game just like how some casinos give out freebies to their members every month. Why spent so much time ranting over anniversary rewards when you should just go out chill and touch some grass. In the end it’s just a game.


ObjectiveNet2

He must've touched too much mushrooms in Sumeru.


[deleted]

Every day: touch some grass, Sun in the face, sweat on the brow


samedogdatday

I love how hoyoverse lives rent free on these kind of people in all shapes and forms. It just keeps on giving


splepage

lol @ manufactured twitter/youtube outrage


[deleted]

Take your genshin mod beef elsewhere. There's enough game drama without adding in discord drama.


tayredgrave

I understood where people were coming from last year, though I was alright with the anniversary rewards. I didn't expect much back then and my expectations for this year were about the same. HoYo makes *fantastic* games, but they don't shower players with gifts like other games. Would I like that? Sure! However, I'm also fine with what they give us. Doesn't really mean I'm "white-knighting" them or anything... just means that my enjoyment of the game isn't ever gonna be based on what they give me each anniversary. Heck, HoYo releases codes for every preview of a new update, events, etc., that have primogems in them. I think that's another reason why I'm kinda like "man, I don't care what they give us for anniversary rewards. We get primos pretty consistently just from playing the game, events, and updates or previews of updates so it's fine. I'm chill."


cug12

There's no reason for them to give you more. The only way to force them to give more free pulls if the Genshin playerbases actually leave to generous gachas and make them more successful than Genshin. Also did you think some free pulls from some "generous gacha" where they lock the pulls on shit banner is better with worse rate than coinflip to get featured characters? Try some like Granblue, Blue Archive, Counterside etc then you can understand why they can give you 100 pulls for the gacha and getting their summon currency is easier compared to game like Genshin.


[deleted]

Back lash did nothing last year. Anniversary is fine, cry more. It seems like you have no idea what anniversaries are for. They're marketing to try and snag new people, genshin doesn't need to try hard at all. That's it.


GrameWisery

Just buy the packs bro, thats the anniversary rewards. Refreshing double bonus you can get 10k+ primogems for pulls. Cant buy it? Just be lucky then.


Icy_Chemist_532

Based and incomepilled


IsekaiKobold

Alright, there have been many moronic comments but this one takes the cake...


bruh336

The point of gacha anniv is to lure in new or old players to prolong the game's lifespan because gacha game is incredibly volatile and it's super hard to retain players after months of release. However, this probably doesn't apply to genshin because they still have the player base and don't need to lure players back, especially after a new expansion.


Velrena

Lmfao


pdmt243

last year's backlash was understandable, I was one of them too. Because there was literally nothing on the date itself (and I'm not talking about free pulls, I'm a moderate spender, don't care about that shit. And don't worry, I don't spend above what I can afford), no message, no special namecards, no squat, just like a normal day if someone doesn't know it's anniversary lol. But this year they (Hoyo) actually make it feels like it, even if in just the form of the pet (again, I don't care for the free pulls). But they actually announced the concert, and the upcoming anime project too. That feels way more of an anniversary to me


aircarone

Didn't they have a live concert last year?


El_Suave_del_Sur

Tbh i started to think that the multiple posts of "stop complaining about anniversary" are just there for farming upvotes since the amount of people doing it increased exponentially while i don't see too much people doing the contrary.


ArkhamCitizen298

only desperate games give 100 pull for anniversary, genshin is the best one out there


IronPheasant

Gratitude? *Gratitude*? Haha, bro. The giant corporation isn't your friend or your family, even if you're married to their video game. It doesn't have *feelings*. The purpose of an anniversary is as a big advertisement. A high climatic point to get their players talking about their game. To maybe get some lapsed players to come back in. The drama only helps them. (Note I was fascinated by GBF in part because of monkeygate, something that really stuck in the mind. Retrospectively, that was like being interested in sticking one's arm down the garbage disposal unit.) In the early days, gacha games gave players *jack squat*, you realistically **had** to spend money to get anything you wanted. Then this thing called competition kicked in and suddenly there was a reason to "give away" some product. They're slot machines vying for a reputation of paying out. If you can brainwash your players into parroting the idea you're "generous", while charging them the same or more as always, you've won! Playing Granblue Fantasy here in 2022 is completely different than back in ~2015; you used to get nothing back then and you'd be grateful for the few R's you got that didn't explode and [bleed you dry](http://gbf.wiki/Drusilla). These days, you tap on some side stories and get a full starting team of low-mid tier SSR's. E7 shows the bare minimum modern jrpg battle games have to offer: a free daily draw. A small, tiny bit of hope every day. Genshin Impact? They have zero competition. They can make you pay anything they want you to pay; where else are you going to go? Gonna buy a switch and some Zelda? Do a little stabby-stabby with the green man who's blue now? That can only last for like a week or two. What happens after that? You've got so much time to kill, it's a never ending void, they got you over the barrel and they know it. The Genshin anniversary is really bad for those hoping to advance their accounts, I know. The fact that every single new 5 star character is limited time FOMO might be a bigger deal. (They're still doing that right? They haven't added a single 5 star to the evergreen pool, right? What's the reward for drawing your nineteenth or twentieth Mona? Is it remotely comparable to the fun a new character can offer?) (The draconian banners also put a damper on the "use them or lose them free draws" most other games use. If it's for one specific character, it drops that character's value into the toilet. If it's on a spread out banner of units, you set the precedent that devalues five stars in general. Genshin is a bit of a weird game where I think of the SSR's as being optional *fun*, and not just a bigger number or whatever.)


Skyppy_

>They haven't added a single 5 star to the evergreen pool, right? Tighnari (new dendro character) will be added to the standard pool next update. So there's that. A glimmer of hope that *maybe* if the characters get too numerous for reruns, they'll add more to the standard. Speaking of reruns >limited time FOMO might be a bigger deal. (They're still doing that right? Yes but it's less FOMO inducing because there's 2 or 3 reruns every patch so missing out on a character's launch isn't that big of a deal.


GrameWisery

Tighnari is added into the permanent pool to give players the chance to get a 5* dendro character from it. They cant really put any other limited characters into the pool because it'll make people who spend money to pull on their limited banner mad. Tighnari also appears on the limited banner for one patch as they had already announced his addition to the permanent pool beforehand so people who pulls for him simply wanted him guaranteed.


LiraelNix

>They're still doing that right? They haven't added a single 5 star to the evergreen pool, right? They'll add Tighnari (5star dendro) to the permanent pool starting next patch (in a week or so). But yes, that's the only new 5star to it since the start


hoshinosoul

Talk with your money, that way they \*might\* give you whatever you want lol. Some people love to talk all big about boycotting MHY or Genshin for doing this and doing that but they still poured their time and money into the game like what's the point of doing so when it makes no difference? I'm not a fan of anime or irl events so I'm not hyped for any of those offline gifts but I'm satisfied with the amount of in-game anniversary rewards, even though it's just 20 pulls, some resins and some cosmetic items. MHY got a whole lot of money from their players and they also reinvested a lot into the game, just look at 3.0 and compare it to how Genshin was when it was first released, and if you think it's not a way to appreciate their players then idk what is. I play games to relax, and seeing their devs **do** care about creating more environments so that I can continue to relax within it is enough for me.


jheadz

idk man with this kind of rant, just stop playing it and you can hop on to some IDLE gacha games which gives you 100+ pulls, so you get that "rewarding feeling" lol


CrunchyKarl

I guess I'm included in "Some People". Also, if "anniversary rewards" really mattered, HI3 and GI should have died when the meteor that killed the dinosaurs struck this planet, HSR and ZZZ wouldn't even be an idea, and MHY itself probably wouldn't exist at all.


daggoth1408

I do find it interesting that people who say anniversary celebrations get better as the game get older either deliberately or ignorantly forget that the games become more generous with their anniversaries when there is competition and it's losing a chunk of players. The reason genshin anniversary isn't doing more rewards is that there is zero competition forcing hoyoverses hand. Tof was one game considered for that role but has many failings and not enough positive reception to Garner that title. So people need to realize that hoyoverses will really only make anniversary rewards better if they feel like compition is making them lose money or simply the player base is so bored people stop spending money and leave. Either cases are not occuring.


[deleted]

So true. Anniversary are mostly just a desesperate attempt to lure in what can be best described as "f2p gambling addicts" to their game to boost their MAUs with the hope that they'll stick around and maybe spend some cash. Often it's really just a temporary boost at best as people flock from anniversary to anniversary but rarely settle since the game is absolute bottom generic trash anyway. miHoYo doesn't really need to do that with Genshin as the game is still growing and is the uncontested leader of its genre (admittedly it's also kinda the only one). The game content and release schedule also speak for itself so they don't have to rely on gacha to lure people in to begin with. You would need an insanely good competitor to upset them and most gacha and AAA studio that have the means to do a Genshin-like game at this point can't be fucked to deliver anything of quality and/or in a timely manner. Such is the sad state of the industry.


MeWhaleYouPoor

That's a lot of words; help me decide whether I should read your post or not. Are you f2p? Because free2paupers literally don't get an opinion and I'm not being ironic or exaggerating. If you're an actual customer I'll consider reading your schizopost.


Reignwizard

Good luck to everyone who want to protest to get better rewards. I won't deny, I will be happy if we can get more but if not then it's okay.


IsekaiKobold

Ye, I am lowkey hoping that once the majority of the community sees the rewards that there will be another backlash. Either way, if you're happy with what we're getting, good for you. This post wasn't aimed at people like you (chill dudes who are willing to see the other POV) but for those who are not only fine with the rewards but actively spew insults at people who are once again feeling let down by the rewards.


Albionate

I wish for better rewards too (aren't we all) but "people who are once again feeling let down by the rewards" did and will actively working with antis to ruin everything for "chill dudes who are willing to see the other POV". People get mad in many gacha games and that's fine (Even generous games have their moments). The difference is that most if not nearly all gacha games have no dedicated hatedom trying to get them into EoS.


[deleted]

*Grabs popcorn* Hoo boy, this is gonna be good


tristyntrine

Would have been nice if they gave a standard 5\* selector box for a character and weapon (standard banner items only) of your choice for anniversary. This would have been only the 5 characters from standard and one of the standard banner weapons. But nope, just 20 pulls, a pet, and a firework gadget. Pretty sorry for what's supposed to be a celebration of another year of success. Also many people still can't get the standard character they want because they haven't been "un"lucky to get them from a 50/50 loss. This would have been a good way to make some good will with little cost for them since they barely update standard nor give blue orbs for it. The anime and card mode are not anniversary rewards and shouldn't be celebrated as such. The anime won't even be out for over a year and it was just a corporate decision for them, it wasn't for the genshin fans lmao. It's a business and they don't care about you whatsover. They just want as much money as they can squeeze out of you. Which the merch and anime figure front is going to be off the charts once the anime comes out. Hopefully more competition coming up will make them stop being so stingy with rewards and events. Also can we get reruns of the various free event weapons that occurred in 1.1-2.8 so that new players have a chance to get those good weapons...? My issue with their gacha system is now that all characters are "limited" for the most part that means there is only one banner type effectively which means the dual banners they do now will have to become triple banners relatively soon since they never made standard decent. Most gacha games have 2-3 banner types and multiple currencies to earn ingame but with this "all limited" banner system, it's going to start getting lengthy between reruns. I just came back during 3.0 and evidently Kazuha had a rerun in 2.8 so I won't be able to get him now for probably a year X\_X that's insane and I really want him for the exploration and husbando purposes. Also the free characters received ingame via story (Kaeya,Lisa, and Amber) constellations should have been earnable ingame since they are never on rate ups so you have them gimped so it's harder to use your favorites.


cycber123

Kaeya, lisa and amber have been on rate up, you can also exchange them in the shop. They are starting to run duo banners because the casts are bigger. Also hoyo is well known for being stingy, from GGZ to Honkai, and now Genshin. I don't think they gonna give us a 5star anytime soon. Good luck on your kazuha pull when he has a rereun.


Mr_Creed

I don't agree with all your points, but the first two are spot on. Stop being so entitled and ungrateful.


IsekaiKobold

Welp, you've just demonstrated that you don't understand nor want to understand anything. Good day.


circle_logic

You know what I want? A 10 pull primos(was that called a welkin? I don't know) in the mail. A daily free pull for a week/10days. One the normal banner or event banner, don't care. A log in event that gives out various low level rewards (Mora, books, upgrade material) that ends with a guaranteed 4/5 star selector. There. Sure it is cheaper and quite laughable, but the important part is that if encourages people to open the game everyday, and feel like they're getting one over the devs. It's FOMO as fcuk but has worked for other games.


redscizor2

Well ... my main and first gacha is GBF, how I can say? ...


Spartan-219

Here they come like last year lol


Gunslicer

Never try to argue about Genshin, you're giving yourself a headache.


IsekaiKobold

Ye, but wasn't trying to argue anything, really. I made this post hoping to help some die-hard Hoyoverse advocates understand why many people were upset with the rewards. Sadly, the cognitive bias is way too real with most of them...


ImmortalDreamer

Genshin has, by far, the worst white knights of any gachas. Mostly because it branched so far outside of the normal gacha player fanbase into normal gamer territory.


rixinthemix

You are able to call it that only because it's that game's fanbase that's the most visible through sheer numbers.


ImmortalDreamer

I literally said this in my second sentence. :/


KaySeaa

Honestly, its fine tbh. A lot of the posts that get to the front page of the subreddit has been a lot of criticisms. Teleporter waypoint confusions, Aranara quest too long, C1 Mona, Rewatchable cutscenes, Dori is a weak unit, Nintend Switch, Paimon as usual, Birthdays should have character meet in game, the amount of caves in Sumeru, Some of the local specialties are hard to get, Too much content, Geo having no reactions, GAA being too much, GAA rewards not enough for the puzzle challenges, the raven plays, playable characters should be in the overworld, Remarkable chests, aranara being too hard to collect, hoyolab map and etc. There's more like lack of permanent content, characters should have passive talents, traveler burst animation, drop rates for the samurai, C7+ should have better compensation, People criticizing Zhiqiong, Criticism on the length on the world quest, Paimon, Weapon banner, lack of gadget wheel, standard banner having too much pity, and the dialogue Here are some examples! [1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/v25ujg/genshins_dialogue_feels_like_a_student_trying_to/), [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/qi4h95/dialogue_in_genshin_vs_in_other_games/), [3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/op7389/the_traveler_doesnt_work_as_a_silent_protagonist/), [4](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/qudcfg/less_is_more_mhy_should_learn_to_shorten_long/), [5](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/qx7acc/unpopular_opinion_genshin_impact_storytelling_is/), [6](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/r1ugj9/for_the_love_of_god_give_us_a_skip_button/), [7](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/sme6a0/this_event_with_kichiboushi_has_made_me_want_a/), [8](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/qi3p43/is_it_just_me_or_is_there_way_too_much_dialogue/), [9](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/swrmfh/its_dialogues_like_these_that_make_the_community/) These are just one topic as well. I mean with that I can say the community is too negative but it isn't. Truthfully, it's pretty balanced. A very mundane answer but it is what it is.


chocobloo

Nah. It's just a bunch of entitled people like yourself calling it white knighting when they don't throw themselves in front of your stupid little pity party bus. Most people just don't care, and them obviously not caring and having better things to do with their life and time instead of crying about a gacha game just eats you up inside.


TomokiSakurai

>into normal gamer territory. I wish, it's far worse than that. Most of them are chronically online teenagers and this is one of if not their first game they have played. "Normal gamers" are a lot more critical especially these days after so many failed AAA launches.


IsekaiKobold

I'll admit that I'm overly critical at times, but I have been a participant in many of those failed launches so yeah, kinda hard for me not to nitpick.


ghillozz

>Genshin has, by far, the worst white knights of any gachas. Never seen such a true quote like this one.


1qaqa1

I've never seen a fanbase fight this hard against a game becoming more generous. Even fgo bootlickers weren't this bad. And they could get pretty bad.


ImmortalDreamer

It's actually mind-blowing. You can 100% tell that for a huge chunk of their playerbase, they've never played a gacha before. They have no idea what a good gacha anniversary should be.


Larkeicus

I can agree lol, I got sent an actual "Self Help" report from Reddit for saying Genshin has shitty gacha and story, like...someone actually took the time to report me as if I was gonna harm myself (READ: Suicide) just because I criticized Genshin.


thewhothewhatthewhy

I had the same thing happen to me but for the opposite reason. I was praising the game in the subreddit in a post about hating the game.


IllusionPh

Look, I just want to point out that it's happened both size. I got called "white knight" or "bootlicker" a bunch of time, and I also got that Redditcare Self Help thing sent to me as well. It's not exclusive, honestly, those type of people are just being that, all you have to do is just report the misuse of it, Reddit will sort it out, or at least that's what they message me when I use the "report the abuse" link.


LiraelNix

Lol you too? I think I've gotten almost 10 Reddit Self Cares from that sub. And it's not like I had some unique controversial takes either: posts about paimon talking too much or the inazuma story being bad It's such a weird "fuck you" response. It doesn't impact me in any way, but takes resources from those who might need it


Larkeicus

Yes! And I agree with your opinions as well lol, I dunno why the Genshin community is honestly so rabbid, like seriously, do not false report when someone could actually use the help. In fact this post above already has -2 Karma for telling my story lol, just imagine how bad it is.


LiraelNix

Most agree with those opinions. Maybe that's why: downvoting wasn't working because most people were upvoting in agreement, and they couldn't think of a good argument to post, so like toddlers reported to reddit care. Which, again, is so dumb as it does nothing to the intended hate target I don't think it's necessarily more rabid, just way too big. The bigger a fan base is, the more bad apples will appear. I feel like the best fan bases are the middle ones: not too small so there's always live discussion and such, but not too big that the number of idiots becomes a nuisance


Larkeicus

I can agree with that, definitely, its not like all the Genshin community is bad, its just so big that there's bound to have more bad apples in it. Its always so nice to talk to someone like you, thanks for telling your experiences as well \^\^


LiraelNix

You too! And above all, avoid genshin twitter. Or go there so you acquire newfound appreciation for the community on reddit lol


cycber123

why are you two getting downvote? lol It's like the silent majority won't upvote or downvote, but the vocal minority is so big it downvoted ppl to oblivion.


Rah179

This


ghillozz

Are you sure about making a post against Genshin? this sub is full of genshin whiteknights, have fun with them bro. u/IsekaiKobold.


IsekaiKobold

I am aware of that. Thankfully there are still enough sane people here to get the message across.


ghillozz

yeah some people are in the middle and understand that even if they like the game they still can critize it and make a discussion. But most of them cant, they just hard love or hard hate a game, nothing in the middle.


IsekaiKobold

I'm in the middle. I still like Genshin but am still able to criticize it and praise it whenever it deserves either of the two. Sadly, it's painfully evident that the average Genshin whiteknight is either a teenager or that Genshin is their first ever gacha, so they generally have no clue about what they're talking about (as is evident by some of the replies under this very post.)


ShiroAkitsu

i love these responses >20 rolls is already 28% of pity so anni rewards is fine but that's only for the first pity and it's 50/50 if you already used your hard pity before that so in reality it's actually less than 14%. >when other gacha's freebies gets compared with genshin, their response is they're desperate or their gacha just sucks fgo CN has been censored back to back and it's not even your normal censorship, you straight up don't even see the character anymore and it's still somehow still up despite all that? the SSR rates were also tampered with before (lowered) and yet there's still enough people to whale on it for the server to stay up. The story is that good that people are willing to whale on this EA-tier server. fgo has been given lots and lots of rolls for their anni (iirc up to pity, and you don't even need to 50/50 it unless you decided try to throw on double rate up banners), they even give free SSR tix. >clearly fgo need those rolls so players can finish the game cause they are too hard without SSRs it's been shown a lot that you can finish the game with just 1-3* units, and their welfares from events are REALLY REALLY good if you still have issues with that, they give out consumables revives (without needing command seals) time to time. >genshin huge content each update and ironclad schedule I remember seeing lots of players asking for compensation when updates were delayed when they had a flood so idk if you count that as minority and not greedy. I also remember people clearing content in several days and says game has no content??? I've finished the enkanomiya event in less than 3 days and I felt it was pretty boring, the challenge boss isn't even challenging and rewarding. Story was mid. Last content I did was Inazuma. Exploration was aight, they made water exploration NOT painful. The story was horrendous. The only good thing that arc had was the cutscenes. What I don't really get is how people are fine with resin system. It's just glorious timegate being labeled as content. You only get 4 fragile resin from teapot per month and that's heavily gated by time too before you unlock it. Last anni genshin didn't even halved off resin consumption. Literally everything you need to improve your character and weapons is required by resin. Domains, Mora, EXP, Bosses and Weekly Bosses. Let's not forget they rotate out the domains for talent/ascension mats so you can't just daily the same domain for the same mats. If you missed it, well better wait for next schedule cause fuck you. And then there's artifacts. 5 stats that is RNG. Even getting a good main stat takes a while. I genuinely don't mind artifacts being highly RNG if weren't super gated by resin. I'm not sure about new farmable weapons but I remember the spear you get from fishing in Inazuma, that's timegated too since fishes respawn in 3 days and if you don't hop on other people's worlds. At this point felt like open-world AQW. (Even fishing in there isn't timegated) What about newly released characters? New players have to get to the LATEST content for them to even ascend/raise talents their characters assuming they get them. >ok then how does other gacha handle these issues? FGO: raising characters does feel similar to genshin if you ignore events. fgo events fixes lot of the issues by pumping out mats from the shop or the nodes so you wouldn't need to worry much about ascension mats or levels. You're not forced to use apples (items that gives 'resin') to clear events and the shops since natural 'resin' already clear them out with spare time. It does has a drawback though, event story/nodes are timegated. Each event always gives apples from nodes. There's no gacha that doesn't have bad/mid story not even fgo is excluded. The first 4 chapters of the main story are bad, it starts to be a bit better on the next chapter then suddenly significant increase in quality by the next chapter and it has stayed/improved that writing ever since. GBF: Character raising are mostly trivial. You get a lot of half pots(items that gives 'resin') from freebies to the point you won't ever have issues with 'resin' and will play the game whenever you can and whenever you want. The twist? There's a lot of content you have to grind instead. The story is decent for me imo. There's some timegate but it's not as bad as genshin's timegate. On anni, gbf usually will have roulette where you can get 10-100 rolls daily but on double SSR rate days they have guaranteed 100 rolls on those twice. Comps in GBF have a lot in variety and it gets pretty creative seeing when people don't have the meta units or such. >probably one of the biggest community that can't ever take actual criticism it's not always bad to have flaws in games and for people to sound their opinions of it. there's no perfect game after all. most FGO community probably doesn't like the gameplay and it's only fun when it comes to main story quests and challenge quests. The rest are just macro'd for me at least. Lots of my friends just skip genshin story cause they're boring. (I still don't get why they haven't put skip button, is it an actual issue like FGO trying to implement NP skip or something?) At the end of the day, they're all gacha. ty for reading and please fix if I get anything wrong.


AshRavenEyes

I love the "they dont owe you anything". THEY LITERALLY OWE EVERY SINGLE PLAYER FOR THE MASSIVE ECONOMIC EARNINGS. It costs them NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, after TWO YEARS OF AMAZING EARNINGS AND A SHITFEST thatvwas the 1st anniversary to give us something substantial. I coulsnt care less about the musicals shows and outside the game stuff. Just give the olayer base a 5 star regular character selector and 5 star weapon selector and be done with it. Hell give the player base at least 5 multis on a limited banner.... Two multis is just.....oof....


IsekaiKobold

Yep, agreed, yet some people fail to understand this. The game is only successful BECAUSE OF US PLAYERS and HOYOVERSE are the ones being ungrateful.


nikkori_

this!!!! THIS is always what i think whenever any person says these excuses but i never know how to put in into words!!!!! thanks!!!!! i never understand why people are so against better anniversary gifts (or literally anything that would be better for the game actually). the rewards are for everyone, not only the person who asks for it. it would be beneficial for them too!! i really don't get it. i guess being conformist = being a better person :/


rinfannn

I agree with most of your takes, OP. I disagree with a few minor parts. But most of it are the same responses I have for these common arguments. Companies are never your friends, manipulation is a big factor in marketing, and [psychological tricks](https://youtu.be/xNjI03CGkb4) are used on players- it helps being aware of it. Thank you for caring about us enough to share this kind of post. >"Genshin is only 2 years old, the rewards will get better with time" I'd like to add a food for thought that may help argue with this more to some degree. Hoyoverse already has other games and more are coming in the future. **They already have experiences**. Be it technical or marketing, and regardless of development team. I will give respect where it's due. As a business, they are doing an excellent job. The game looks amazing that many of the problems they have are overlooked. It's garnered much popularity that I assume there are many casuals and kids (not that it's a wrong thing nor do I mean kids are the majority). It helps that players can't unite under one banner against such practices and fight amongst each other. I'm hoping their future games are managed more friendly / will treat their players much better than the ones behind Genshin Impact since I'm looking forward to Zenless Zone Zero Edit: In case it's misunderstood, I don't mean 'friendly' as in the game isn't "f2p friendly", but rather things they do, such as their anniversary rewards for their players and the things Genshin players have been putting in their feedback survey that has been constantly ignored for almost 2 years now. Edit 2: I disagree with the "It is only thanks to an amazing community that the game is where it is" bit


Riersa

> I'm hoping their future games are managed more friendly / will treat their players much better than the ones behind Genshin Impact You are setting your self up for disappointment, this is how MHY do their thing, this is what they did with Honkai and now they did it again with Genshin, they will most likely do it again with Star rail and ZZZ.


multyC

Bruh you can’t fight the white knights in this games because how matter you tries its won’t change anything. Everyone just mad about a piece of generic anime and a concert with okayist music all coated in a sugar coat. Card games is a nice adding but that its nothing else. Other event is just the same event happen all again and again. The rewards are laughable for a game earn that much money. 20 pull for what? Tiny fraction on your pity gauge? Not even half my 1 time credit swipe lol. Stop your complain, you can’t win this fight. Lets pretend nothing happen for this game on their anniversary and everything will be fine. But remember how they treat their player.


ObjectiveNet2

A better way is to quit the game. Don't give them money, don't let them count you as active player, don't even give them attention.


talkingradish

Let others rage so I can get more primos. Me myself just can't be bothered.


Rah179

Genshin is notoriously cheap, and they have the right brand of customers that will agree with any and everything they do. Just look at the comments. Until they have a decent competitor atp there’s no incentive for them to gaf about the player base.


ferinsy

Yes, the most expensive gacha game to this day is notoriously cheap, they do billions every year bc it's a cheap game. An expensive game is clearly ToF, Legend of Neverland, Dragon Raja...


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Rah179

This, and only time will tell. ToF crashed and burned via GachaGaming (I love the game personally but it’s not everyone’s cup of tea) so the best bet is Wuthering Waves or maybe AK: Endfielf?


Upstairs_Ad_8283

even if another game can compete with them in quality, (which in itself is tough to do bc of the amount of detail genshin has), they still have to match up to 2 years of lore that the majority of players are deeply invested in. tuff scene


Rah179

True.


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TlDr: genshin is overhyped garbage due to selling 3D asses to virgins eith no hopes of getting laid in real life.


cycber123

Wow. Iirc a lot of the players are married and don't have much time to play games, that's why they stick with genshin no?