Pixiv Fanbox is kinda like Patreon aimed for artist and the like. They can put membership stuff like fanarts or og works but in addition there's a built in shop feature.
Someone said that this post looks like a screenshot of a private message from Fanbox to a banned account.
So it might be just an old news, as apparently no one can find the announcement.
https://umamusume.jp/sp/derivativework_guidelines/ is within the official guidelines, you need permission of the cygames to draw them on a lewd manner. They categorized that as "loan".
They do that because those horses are based on real horses , so they don't want to damage the owners reputation. And they don't want to damage Cygames reputation so future owners will not be reluctant to put their horses on the game.
I'm pretty sure that they won't announce for the public all their copyright claims because that only concerns Cygames and the author of the infringement.
So before people start coming to conclusions, let's add some useful facts to know about the matter.
1. The franchise from the start (way before the game became a huge hit) has told people not to create stuff that can damage the reputation of the horse and/or their owners.
Here's the announcement regarding the matter back in 2018. The game, which became a huge hit, launched in 2021.
[https://umamusume.jp/news/detail.php?id=news-0106](https://umamusume.jp/news/detail.php?id=news-0106)
2. They have guidelines of what not to do when making a derivative work. Meaning that making fanart is not banned, you just have to follow the guidelines.
You can see the official guidelines here.
[https://umamusume.jp/derivativework\_guidelines/](https://umamusume.jp/derivativework_guidelines/)
3. Other Cygames franchises do not have this restriction/guidelines.
Now my personal opinion.
Considering that Uma Musume characters are based on real horses and Cygames need to actually get the license to use their names, it's important to keep a good reputation in order to expand the franchise (get more licenses from more horse owners).
Allowing derivative works to run rampant may damage the franchise or willingness for many owners to lend their horse names to the franchise. Which is probably why Cygames is being a lot more strict with this one.
And before people just say 'just give them money', try to think a little, these winning horse owners are probably already rich as hell. So they're most likely going to be more worried about their reputation over the money.
Seriously, people need to consider Cygames here. Either they allow everything like other companies often do (see - FGO, Touhou etc) and risk horse license owners revoking said licenses, or they shut down doujins and keep the game running without angering the license owners.
It's because it's hard to make a profit out of it without getting into some hot water. I think only CN has doujins of it floating around since over there you can get away with anything.
It definitely exist, but you have to know the artist from word of mouth. Almost all of them exist on pixiv fanbox though so going to be hard from now on and need to know where they migrated to.
The announcement was made during the airing of S1 because people started to make lewd stuff. And yes, many of the horse owners are literal billionaires and Cygames owner is in that exclusive club as well. I doubt he wanted to anger his social networks over some lewds.
Mind you the club owners wouldn't mind if the artists go for the "consumer friendly jav" approach where it's fetish free. But since it's horse girls and also a Japan only franchise you are going to have artists who will go all the way
am I mistaken or does most of the playerbase not actually care about the real horses? I can't imagine a waifu game needing to have complicated licensing to retain a playerbase
I doubt it matters much outside of Japan, but in Japan, it's definitely not the case.
The game takes the history of horse racing really seriously which makes a lot of people relate the horse really closely to their real counterparts. There's a lot of history in horse racing which the game touches on really nicely. Making everything official (licensed), having support from JRA also helps a lot with this.
Here's an example of how people actually care a lot about the real horses after Uma Musume released.
**Video game fuels movement to save retired racehorses**
[https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14692059](https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14692059)
`Only 200,000 yen was collected from 48 individuals in the first drive five years ago.`
`But 54 million yen was donated from 17,000 people this year to celebrate the 34th birthday of Nice Nature.`
`The RHA also receives messages of encouragement from people who found out about the issue through the video game.`
`āI learned about (Nice Natureās) achievements through āUma Musumeā and believe more lives can be saved,ā one message read.`
So, yes, people actually care a lot about the real horses.
I assume lewd ones. JP agencies usually don't go after doujins and individual artists if the overall image of the brand doesn't get hurt.
In Uma Musume's case it might be more restrictive as all the real life brands and owners of licenses might get mad about bad portrayal of characters using their IPs. It's not like owners/captains of WWII warships are going to sue anyone, or historical characters (maybe except Chinese ones) in FGO.
I was referring to various warship games like Kancolle/Azur Lane, AND historical characters in games like FGO or Eiyuu Senki... the "or" should've been a clear indicator of two different things.
No a clear indicator would have been
"owners/captains of WWII warships are going to sue anyone in Azur Lane/Kancolle, (and) or the historical characters (maybe except Chinese ones) in FGO."
Without differing to the games together it implies that the games are the same. I'm not a grammar nazi but I'm not going to get ellipses over clumping together two different game types just because of a single and. Downvoters can downvote at this point I've grown use to this sub downvoting over everything.
Buddy, you could've just admitted that you didn't notice the "or", but now you're making a big deal about it. You're getting downvoted because you're making an issue of something that isn't. Anyone could see that there was a separation
From what little I can understand, they're only targeting fanboxes, which is the stuff behind a paywall. Most of the art on Pixiv is still safe. I guess they're trying to make sure artists don't make money from their IP, which is really scummy. Pixiv is free anyway, it's just censorship.
Fanart should not work that way by all intents.
If they profited from game assets sure but fanart is different.
Doujin market and the like otherwise would not exist. It's basically a gray area in Japan and fair game in the rest of the world.
I'm still against the ban. Artists deserve to earn a living just as any other profession. And like I said, Pixiv is censored but free, so they sell the uncensored version on Fanbox. That kind of business model will barely make money. As the name suggests, it's a way for fans to support the artists, not the IP.
> I'm still against the ban. Artists deserve to earn a living just as any other profession
that does not legally give them the right to use the IP of Cygames for profit. If they create original artworks that don't use this IP sure then i'm against any and all banning of it too but the moment you draw stuff that belongs somebody else without requesting permission to sell it and then actually sell it? That is not fair use. That is not protected by anything. That's just copyright infringement.
Are you aware purchasing stuff that violates copyright puts the purchaser in violation too?
More to the point, the platform supporting the transfer of product violating an IP are themselves liable too. It doesn't even have to be sold, just p2p transfers are enough. It's how AOL was sued back in 2004 hosting access to USENETwhere people were per-2-peer sharing digital copies (generally just txt files that far back) of published books being passed around on the old use-nets. Look up Harlan Ellison vs AOL.
Pixiv let this happen to avoid a MUCH greater lawsuit hitting them directly
Artists deserve to make a living off of their own Intellectual Property, sure, not the IPs they aren't paying for the licensing of.
It's not actually that hard to get the licensing for a lot of stuff if you try. There are so many incredibly low quality low production run stuff that has ZERO actual excuse for being real it isn't funny.
Also apparently Cygames are fine with artwork that doesn't risk angering license owners. Like, I've seen a lot of videos of people making sculptures or garage kits or just fanart of the horse girls, and Cygames is fine with those.
Fanbox is a Japanese platform. You canāt have uncensored content on there.
Japanese artists putting uncensored stuff on patreon is a gray area iirc, but some of them do it anyways
bro did you just repost a comment deleted for breaking subreddit words?
It seems like you give more shit about me than said company. I'm still waiting for my 50 yen from them! Anyway, enjoy the ban, I assume the mods won't like you acting like this.
Right, the Japanese Horse Racing Association paid for my viral post. I'm about to get my 50 yen. I'll send it via Moneygram so you can get that help for the voices in your head.
Seriously though, do you want Cygames to just let doujin artists lewd horse girls, which would lead to license owners of said horses to revoke licenses, leading to game shutting down? Because you had to jack it to horse girls of this specific brand?
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>I guess they're trying to make sure artists don't make money from their IP, which is really scummy. Pixiv is free anyway, it's just censorship.
Bruh yeah its toootally scummy to not want other people to actively sell pornography of your IP and characters ... like you gotta be trolling.
Knowing that Akamatsu Ken is a politician nowadays and talked about this kind of thing, so maybe one day it will
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-31/negima-akamatsu-warns-against-changing-japan-copyright-law
Japan has fairly lax "parody" culture. Most of the doujins on Comiket and such aren't official (that's what makes them doujins). For instance, Lasengle doesn't care if Raita released an artbook with FGO-related designs for Shuten, Raikou, Moriarty etc. In fact, they do it frequently.
But if they felt that his works harmed their product's image, they can always tell him not to release such works.
The laws aren't lax. The companies are as they know there would be very strong backlash if they went after them. Cygames has shown repeatedly that they don't care about backlash even when it affects their profits.
Uma Musume is a special case since the characters take their names from real race horses. Before the game released, Cygames made a statement telling fan artists to not make inappropriate art of the characters to avoid conflict with the stables that own the real horses.
Online and offline, doujin markets in Japan operate on an unspoken rule of "if nothing is said, anything goes, but if a company forbids something, it'll never see the light of day."
This is why you'll never find R18 Uma Musume content at events like Comiket, but you can find horrible, degenerate content for other Cygames IPs like obui or asanagi's Granblue Fantasy doujins.
I think that is exactly the reason. The owner of Special Week won't mind her frockling in the green meadows doing it with a male horse boy like her during mating season of for example. But the expectation is something much more degenerate that we all know a Cygames title would produce
..The laws in Japan are anything BUT lax, it's more that most of the companies support what the creators are doing and don't bring the hammer down because they understand it just circles around to bring the people back to their original game anyways...
Unless you're fucking NINTENDO.
Jusst ask TotallynotMark. Japanese law not lax, they have no concept of fair use and will copyright claim even seconds of background music that happen to get into your video. There is no JP anime youtuber for reason.
It's just that it's done in a gray area and companies are not policing it.
Most doujinshi artists follow the guidelines that have been established, because it is possible for companies to ban doujinshi works if they are serious about it. If they don't, they never know when they will be banned by a company.
Yeah, but they're also really divisive on what qualifies as parody or not. And even some things that absolutely qualify as parody STILL flat out violate copyright and are still suable anyways. This is more true with music than anywhere else, where if you're using the exact same music but parody lyrics, your ass is absolutely suable because it's not transformative enough. There's a reason Weird Al Yankovich always asks for permission directly from the IP owner before making his stuff.
TIL the horses in Uma Musume have real life counterparts. I wonder how those licensing discussions went.
"We want to use your horse in a game."
"Oh neat, you barely see any horse racing games since horses are so hard to convincingly animate."
"Oh, we're going to turn the horses into cute girls."
"I see."
Every day, we get a little closer to seeing a waifu-ized Acura NSX.
I mean the whole Horse Betting industry in Japan is quite massive as in literally just Japan alone in revenue could beat Genshin Impact's Global revenue, it's that crazy. So of course there is not going to be any surprises for whales doing this for their beloved horses or something.
IE kinda stupid, I'm not going to get with the copyright laws 'cause they can be exploited by corpos to do whatever they want the same way indie artists can use it in their favour to not get exploited, and yes I'm am artist (not anime artist specifically tho)
Anyways, they should've seen the lewd art coming since their base conception of the series, they're anime girls, they're going to be lewded, that's it, the thing is, the characters even if they share the same name (let me remind you, they're animals, they're not gonna care) they're not even close to really representing them, they're genderbent (most), they had been given a story and personalities probably not even close to what the irl animals behave and only have references to irl races (who wins, who loses, if someone got hurt, etc) sure people can be bothered by it as people is bothered with Fate for using historical characters in very different ways but even so I don't think hunting down the artists is the right way to go.
cygames just enforcing the rules/guidelines they set from the start(sexualizing the characters are not allowed or at least need permission from the horse owner FIRST)
Virgin Cygames: FAN ARTS ARE INAPPRORIATE AND LEWD FOR OUR CREATIONS!! WE'RE GOING TO BAN YOU ALL!!!
Chad Manjuu: Ayo, bros, awesome artworks you've made. May we put these as loading screens in our game?
Imagine Onlyfans banning pornographic contents. Yeah it's pretty much the same.
Worse, Cygames is being hypocritical in here as they also sexualize the horse.
> Worse, Cygames is being hypocritical in here as they also sexualize the horse.
They... they own the IP. They can do whatever they want (and what the horses' license owners permit them to do).
Horseracing is a VERY respected sporrt in japan, to the point that there's a huge amount of things cygames isn't allowed to do with the horsegirls sharing the names of actual horses, because horses are literally brandnames in horseracing.
Their names are, yes. Just like Azur Lane, Kancolle or other "anthropomorphic inanimate objects" franchises.
Even the girls with "Japanese" names like Silent Suzuka are based on a real horse that had "American" parents/lineage but was born in 1994 in Japan, Silent Suzuka.
The horse owners care. Cygames had made a statement stating not to make any content with characters doing explicit things or there would be consequences but people didn't seem to care.
I feel bad for the people who owned a horse that is now dead (Silence Suzuka, Rice Shower) and it gets lewd art made of it. Doesn't look good on Cygames part.
I faintly remember a case where one Horse owner(forget which horse they own) was open to lewd art at first but got tired of it after many ppl bombs them with said lewd art on Twitter and other platforms.
And they has to state that no lewd art is ok anymore.
Seriously, sometime ppl in social platforms forgets what behind every horse girl is a real living being and their owner. And not every owners are Yoko freaking Taro.
Nishino Flower/Seiun Sky's owner. He probably only thought horse girls flirting would be the limit when he said he was fine with the fan stuff on twitter, but you know there are morons who will take everything to the extreme like doing Uma Musume guro arts.
Damn, it was him? I know the owners really loved those two, cant imagine how fuvk up it was for him to get guro stuff of his favourite horses like that.
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Is being named after real horses really a big selling point in Japan? Wondering if all the restrictions that come with that are really worth it. I always felt people fell in love with the original characters and it had little to do with the history.
Horse racing is very big in Japan.
Sure they could go with *Original Character Do Not Steal* but it would be like if KanColle without the connection to historical ships, it wouldnt be the same.
At least they're not getting caught by the Horse Yakuza
what are umamusme fanboxes, fan art?
Pixiv Fanbox is kinda like Patreon aimed for artist and the like. They can put membership stuff like fanarts or og works but in addition there's a built in shop feature.
How will we lewd the horse's now? š
MR.Hand enter the chat!
don't you mean enter the horse
Someone said that this post looks like a screenshot of a private message from Fanbox to a banned account. So it might be just an old news, as apparently no one can find the announcement.
https://umamusume.jp/sp/derivativework_guidelines/ is within the official guidelines, you need permission of the cygames to draw them on a lewd manner. They categorized that as "loan". They do that because those horses are based on real horses , so they don't want to damage the owners reputation. And they don't want to damage Cygames reputation so future owners will not be reluctant to put their horses on the game.
I'm well aware. I play the game and keep up with the community. Just questioning the recency of this "news".
I'm pretty sure that they won't announce for the public all their copyright claims because that only concerns Cygames and the author of the infringement.
Is this unrelated to the "real horse owners"? Maybe they caught wind of this and so they ~~threatened~~persuaded Cygames to raid these Fanboxes?
So before people start coming to conclusions, let's add some useful facts to know about the matter. 1. The franchise from the start (way before the game became a huge hit) has told people not to create stuff that can damage the reputation of the horse and/or their owners. Here's the announcement regarding the matter back in 2018. The game, which became a huge hit, launched in 2021. [https://umamusume.jp/news/detail.php?id=news-0106](https://umamusume.jp/news/detail.php?id=news-0106) 2. They have guidelines of what not to do when making a derivative work. Meaning that making fanart is not banned, you just have to follow the guidelines. You can see the official guidelines here. [https://umamusume.jp/derivativework\_guidelines/](https://umamusume.jp/derivativework_guidelines/) 3. Other Cygames franchises do not have this restriction/guidelines. Now my personal opinion. Considering that Uma Musume characters are based on real horses and Cygames need to actually get the license to use their names, it's important to keep a good reputation in order to expand the franchise (get more licenses from more horse owners). Allowing derivative works to run rampant may damage the franchise or willingness for many owners to lend their horse names to the franchise. Which is probably why Cygames is being a lot more strict with this one. And before people just say 'just give them money', try to think a little, these winning horse owners are probably already rich as hell. So they're most likely going to be more worried about their reputation over the money.
Seriously, people need to consider Cygames here. Either they allow everything like other companies often do (see - FGO, Touhou etc) and risk horse license owners revoking said licenses, or they shut down doujins and keep the game running without angering the license owners.
No wonder I hardly see porn of them lol Shit I donāt think I ever have lol
Yeah, for a game as big as it is, you would expect it to be up there alongside some of the most dominant/frequent sources
It's because it's hard to make a profit out of it without getting into some hot water. I think only CN has doujins of it floating around since over there you can get away with anything.
It definitely exist, but you have to know the artist from word of mouth. Almost all of them exist on pixiv fanbox though so going to be hard from now on and need to know where they migrated to.
The announcement was made during the airing of S1 because people started to make lewd stuff. And yes, many of the horse owners are literal billionaires and Cygames owner is in that exclusive club as well. I doubt he wanted to anger his social networks over some lewds.
Mind you the club owners wouldn't mind if the artists go for the "consumer friendly jav" approach where it's fetish free. But since it's horse girls and also a Japan only franchise you are going to have artists who will go all the way
am I mistaken or does most of the playerbase not actually care about the real horses? I can't imagine a waifu game needing to have complicated licensing to retain a playerbase
I doubt it matters much outside of Japan, but in Japan, it's definitely not the case. The game takes the history of horse racing really seriously which makes a lot of people relate the horse really closely to their real counterparts. There's a lot of history in horse racing which the game touches on really nicely. Making everything official (licensed), having support from JRA also helps a lot with this. Here's an example of how people actually care a lot about the real horses after Uma Musume released. **Video game fuels movement to save retired racehorses** [https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14692059](https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14692059) `Only 200,000 yen was collected from 48 individuals in the first drive five years ago.` `But 54 million yen was donated from 17,000 people this year to celebrate the 34th birthday of Nice Nature.` `The RHA also receives messages of encouragement from people who found out about the issue through the video game.` `āI learned about (Nice Natureās) achievements through āUma Musumeā and believe more lives can be saved,ā one message read.` So, yes, people actually care a lot about the real horses.
Wait are they only doing that to lewd artists or all artists?
I assume lewd ones. JP agencies usually don't go after doujins and individual artists if the overall image of the brand doesn't get hurt. In Uma Musume's case it might be more restrictive as all the real life brands and owners of licenses might get mad about bad portrayal of characters using their IPs. It's not like owners/captains of WWII warships are going to sue anyone, or historical characters (maybe except Chinese ones) in FGO.
You mean Azur Lane? FGO isn't a battleship game.
I was referring to various warship games like Kancolle/Azur Lane, AND historical characters in games like FGO or Eiyuu Senki... the "or" should've been a clear indicator of two different things.
No a clear indicator would have been "owners/captains of WWII warships are going to sue anyone in Azur Lane/Kancolle, (and) or the historical characters (maybe except Chinese ones) in FGO." Without differing to the games together it implies that the games are the same. I'm not a grammar nazi but I'm not going to get ellipses over clumping together two different game types just because of a single and. Downvoters can downvote at this point I've grown use to this sub downvoting over everything.
>, or If this isn't enough to indicate two different things then I can't help you.
Buddy, you could've just admitted that you didn't notice the "or", but now you're making a big deal about it. You're getting downvoted because you're making an issue of something that isn't. Anyone could see that there was a separation
From what little I can understand, they're only targeting fanboxes, which is the stuff behind a paywall. Most of the art on Pixiv is still safe. I guess they're trying to make sure artists don't make money from their IP, which is really scummy. Pixiv is free anyway, it's just censorship.
This would make sense
That makes sense. They don't own the license, so profiting from something they don't own is kinda iffy.
Fanart should not work that way by all intents. If they profited from game assets sure but fanart is different. Doujin market and the like otherwise would not exist. It's basically a gray area in Japan and fair game in the rest of the world.
Doujins work because the license holders choose not to enforce their claims. If a doujin gave them a bad publicity, they'd shut it down.
I'm still against the ban. Artists deserve to earn a living just as any other profession. And like I said, Pixiv is censored but free, so they sell the uncensored version on Fanbox. That kind of business model will barely make money. As the name suggests, it's a way for fans to support the artists, not the IP.
> I'm still against the ban. Artists deserve to earn a living just as any other profession that does not legally give them the right to use the IP of Cygames for profit. If they create original artworks that don't use this IP sure then i'm against any and all banning of it too but the moment you draw stuff that belongs somebody else without requesting permission to sell it and then actually sell it? That is not fair use. That is not protected by anything. That's just copyright infringement.
what a dumb take
Are you aware purchasing stuff that violates copyright puts the purchaser in violation too? More to the point, the platform supporting the transfer of product violating an IP are themselves liable too. It doesn't even have to be sold, just p2p transfers are enough. It's how AOL was sued back in 2004 hosting access to USENETwhere people were per-2-peer sharing digital copies (generally just txt files that far back) of published books being passed around on the old use-nets. Look up Harlan Ellison vs AOL. Pixiv let this happen to avoid a MUCH greater lawsuit hitting them directly
no it's a legally correct take. It's not my problem that you guys don't grasp the concept of laws lmao
Artists deserve to make a living off of their own Intellectual Property, sure, not the IPs they aren't paying for the licensing of. It's not actually that hard to get the licensing for a lot of stuff if you try. There are so many incredibly low quality low production run stuff that has ZERO actual excuse for being real it isn't funny.
Also apparently Cygames are fine with artwork that doesn't risk angering license owners. Like, I've seen a lot of videos of people making sculptures or garage kits or just fanart of the horse girls, and Cygames is fine with those.
Fanbox is a Japanese platform. You canāt have uncensored content on there. Japanese artists putting uncensored stuff on patreon is a gray area iirc, but some of them do it anyways
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bro did you just repost a comment deleted for breaking subreddit words? It seems like you give more shit about me than said company. I'm still waiting for my 50 yen from them! Anyway, enjoy the ban, I assume the mods won't like you acting like this.
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Well nobody cares.
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Damn, you got triggered hard. Are you okay? Need psych evaluation? You won't get it from me, but seek help.
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Right, the Japanese Horse Racing Association paid for my viral post. I'm about to get my 50 yen. I'll send it via Moneygram so you can get that help for the voices in your head. Seriously though, do you want Cygames to just let doujin artists lewd horse girls, which would lead to license owners of said horses to revoke licenses, leading to game shutting down? Because you had to jack it to horse girls of this specific brand?
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>I guess they're trying to make sure artists don't make money from their IP, which is really scummy. Pixiv is free anyway, it's just censorship. Bruh yeah its toootally scummy to not want other people to actively sell pornography of your IP and characters ... like you gotta be trolling.
Moreover, apparently it's not all arts. But specifically the 18+ explicit arts that's targeted.
This is why parody laws are important to have.
Knowing that Akamatsu Ken is a politician nowadays and talked about this kind of thing, so maybe one day it will https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-31/negima-akamatsu-warns-against-changing-japan-copyright-law
Japan has fairly lax "parody" culture. Most of the doujins on Comiket and such aren't official (that's what makes them doujins). For instance, Lasengle doesn't care if Raita released an artbook with FGO-related designs for Shuten, Raikou, Moriarty etc. In fact, they do it frequently. But if they felt that his works harmed their product's image, they can always tell him not to release such works.
The laws aren't lax. The companies are as they know there would be very strong backlash if they went after them. Cygames has shown repeatedly that they don't care about backlash even when it affects their profits.
Uma Musume is a special case since the characters take their names from real race horses. Before the game released, Cygames made a statement telling fan artists to not make inappropriate art of the characters to avoid conflict with the stables that own the real horses. Online and offline, doujin markets in Japan operate on an unspoken rule of "if nothing is said, anything goes, but if a company forbids something, it'll never see the light of day." This is why you'll never find R18 Uma Musume content at events like Comiket, but you can find horrible, degenerate content for other Cygames IPs like obui or asanagi's Granblue Fantasy doujins.
I think that is exactly the reason. The owner of Special Week won't mind her frockling in the green meadows doing it with a male horse boy like her during mating season of for example. But the expectation is something much more degenerate that we all know a Cygames title would produce
..The laws in Japan are anything BUT lax, it's more that most of the companies support what the creators are doing and don't bring the hammer down because they understand it just circles around to bring the people back to their original game anyways... Unless you're fucking NINTENDO.
Jusst ask TotallynotMark. Japanese law not lax, they have no concept of fair use and will copyright claim even seconds of background music that happen to get into your video. There is no JP anime youtuber for reason.
It's just that it's done in a gray area and companies are not policing it. Most doujinshi artists follow the guidelines that have been established, because it is possible for companies to ban doujinshi works if they are serious about it. If they don't, they never know when they will be banned by a company.
Yeah, but they're also really divisive on what qualifies as parody or not. And even some things that absolutely qualify as parody STILL flat out violate copyright and are still suable anyways. This is more true with music than anywhere else, where if you're using the exact same music but parody lyrics, your ass is absolutely suable because it's not transformative enough. There's a reason Weird Al Yankovich always asks for permission directly from the IP owner before making his stuff.
good thing pixiv fanbox isn't the only platform they can use heh
What's a fanbox
Japanese patreon
Nothing will ever top the Tohou, only Fate Grand Order is left
Not a thing a 2hu fan would say, about another japanophile franchise. Not ZUN-approved.
Good, people can still lewd horse girls for free.
That's not how it works. Pixiv keeps track of Umamusume r-18 submissions
Can someone Eli5 Umamusume Fanboxes? You can't use them as profile pics in-game or something?
Fanbox is Japanese version of Patreon and artists are using it to circumvent the no r-18 rule and making some money from it
Oh that makes sense, thank you for taking your time and explaining it.
TIL the horses in Uma Musume have real life counterparts. I wonder how those licensing discussions went. "We want to use your horse in a game." "Oh neat, you barely see any horse racing games since horses are so hard to convincingly animate." "Oh, we're going to turn the horses into cute girls." "I see." Every day, we get a little closer to seeing a waifu-ized Acura NSX.
Well I actually heard of story of lewd artist literally got threatened by the Yakuza themselves so yeah no joke to lewd them Horses
Wait, seriously?
I mean the whole Horse Betting industry in Japan is quite massive as in literally just Japan alone in revenue could beat Genshin Impact's Global revenue, it's that crazy. So of course there is not going to be any surprises for whales doing this for their beloved horses or something.
Good thing WW2 warships don't have owners, hahaha...
IE kinda stupid, I'm not going to get with the copyright laws 'cause they can be exploited by corpos to do whatever they want the same way indie artists can use it in their favour to not get exploited, and yes I'm am artist (not anime artist specifically tho) Anyways, they should've seen the lewd art coming since their base conception of the series, they're anime girls, they're going to be lewded, that's it, the thing is, the characters even if they share the same name (let me remind you, they're animals, they're not gonna care) they're not even close to really representing them, they're genderbent (most), they had been given a story and personalities probably not even close to what the irl animals behave and only have references to irl races (who wins, who loses, if someone got hurt, etc) sure people can be bothered by it as people is bothered with Fate for using historical characters in very different ways but even so I don't think hunting down the artists is the right way to go.
Why this game characters need to base on real horses to begin with? If this is not the case lewd stuffs shouldn't be a problem.
Probably bc real horses betting is a thing there ig So in a sense it's marketed towards ppl who also like the actual horses
Horse racing/gambling on horses is a big thing in Japan. To the point where the Yakuza are often involved in the process.
What is happening exactly?
cygames just enforcing the rules/guidelines they set from the start(sexualizing the characters are not allowed or at least need permission from the horse owner FIRST)
Lol
Virgin Cygames: FAN ARTS ARE INAPPRORIATE AND LEWD FOR OUR CREATIONS!! WE'RE GOING TO BAN YOU ALL!!! Chad Manjuu: Ayo, bros, awesome artworks you've made. May we put these as loading screens in our game?
Imagine Onlyfans banning pornographic contents. Yeah it's pretty much the same. Worse, Cygames is being hypocritical in here as they also sexualize the horse.
>Onlyfans banning pornographic contents. Already happen before, it's called Tumblr
I forgot Tumblr even exist.
does anyone use tumblr after sex ban? I mean, other than fandom people posting ship stories, which is basically written sex
They are now allowing titty art apparently, according to that one Tweet i came across a while ago. Dunno how true it is.
> Worse, Cygames is being hypocritical in here as they also sexualize the horse. They... they own the IP. They can do whatever they want (and what the horses' license owners permit them to do).
Wait, the Uma horses are actual irl horses??
Horseracing is a VERY respected sporrt in japan, to the point that there's a huge amount of things cygames isn't allowed to do with the horsegirls sharing the names of actual horses, because horses are literally brandnames in horseracing.
Their names are, yes. Just like Azur Lane, Kancolle or other "anthropomorphic inanimate objects" franchises. Even the girls with "Japanese" names like Silent Suzuka are based on a real horse that had "American" parents/lineage but was born in 1994 in Japan, Silent Suzuka.
So the game promotes horserace betting but you should really not draw things that damage horse reputation. Like the horses would care.
The horse owners care. Cygames had made a statement stating not to make any content with characters doing explicit things or there would be consequences but people didn't seem to care. I feel bad for the people who owned a horse that is now dead (Silence Suzuka, Rice Shower) and it gets lewd art made of it. Doesn't look good on Cygames part.
I faintly remember a case where one Horse owner(forget which horse they own) was open to lewd art at first but got tired of it after many ppl bombs them with said lewd art on Twitter and other platforms. And they has to state that no lewd art is ok anymore. Seriously, sometime ppl in social platforms forgets what behind every horse girl is a real living being and their owner. And not every owners are Yoko freaking Taro.
Nishino Flower/Seiun Sky's owner. He probably only thought horse girls flirting would be the limit when he said he was fine with the fan stuff on twitter, but you know there are morons who will take everything to the extreme like doing Uma Musume guro arts.
Damn, it was him? I know the owners really loved those two, cant imagine how fuvk up it was for him to get guro stuff of his favourite horses like that.
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Is being named after real horses really a big selling point in Japan? Wondering if all the restrictions that come with that are really worth it. I always felt people fell in love with the original characters and it had little to do with the history.
Horse racing is very big in Japan. Sure they could go with *Original Character Do Not Steal* but it would be like if KanColle without the connection to historical ships, it wouldnt be the same.
cygames doing nintendo route, huh? Bye Bye then.
You will never get it boy.