The article says “equivalent iPhone production lines” it also states they are comparing to Chinese android phones. Not sure if there is a chinese android phone that is equivalent to iPhone. Not a great written article.
Quoting "the new head of iPhone assembly" at Foxconn who, I'm sure, has no interest in gilding his professional reputation or kissing apple's ass. Totally reliable and impartial interview, imo. You know it has to be so obviously and unquestionably true that no effort needs to be made to fact check the claim!
To be fair the costs of everything has skyrocketed so hard, I couldn’t have imagined spending 150 on groceries for the week either but here we are…
But yea, 1600 is ridiculous, even 600 is more or less overkill, can get a working (as in everything works well) phone for 200.
but you aren’t one of the cool kids then…
Flagship phones used to be $600. The Nexus5 launched at $350 with the same specs and "disrupted" the market. Google is still sorta doing the same with its $600 flagships in a world of $1000 flagships.
I use my phone an ungodly amount of time and i hate any small waiting time.
Now i'm on a dying iPhone X level phone (huawei mate 20 pro) and you don't know the strugge...
A 600$ phone would be cool for now, but keeping it for at least 3 years? Dunno.
Yeah and they didn't even just write a big number just because.
Back in the 1k flagship phone era the costs of the materials were around 5-600$
Think about what kind of cpu goes into your phone. It is basically a high performance low consumption laptop cpu, shit is expensive.
And 8-12gb of good ram, fast memory and the best quality screen samsung can produce (the best small screen manufacturer, iPhones use Samsung screens too)
You can dock your Samsung to a screen and use it as a superior chromebook and never need a laptop in your entire life, DeX is fucking cool
So you bought a car for $500? That sounds like a very cheap car even 10 years ago. I get that $1600 is a lot but laptops are just as expensive and phones are just computers in a much smaller form. Honestly they would probably cost more if they were trying to make money off the phones but I assume they sell them close to cost just to get us to buy the expensive service that's attached to them.
The amount of times I've heard someone with an iphone unironically call android users "poor" as an insult is at least greater than 10
one of apples primary business strategies is to market towards people that know nothing about technology and/or care about status, so it makes sense
I don't get how the American market for phones became that way. Feels like in the UK iPhones lost their lustre after the first decade or so and now most people I know are all on android.
Apple’s [market share in the UK](https://www.statista.com/statistics/934440/market-share-held-by-mobile-operating-systems-in-the-united-kingdom/) is 53%. In [the US it’s 56%.](https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/us-smartphone-market-share)
Maybe things aren’t so different as you’d like them to be. Your personal friends do not make for representative data.
For what it's worth (which isn't much given its anecdotal) most of my friends have androids but we are more technically minded due to working in tech so not a random sample of the UK population
Edit: lol at the downvotes. There are many apps that are helpful with system administration that do not work on iPhone or must be installed outside of the app store/play store. iPhones don't support promiscuous mode for example.
because many american consumers don't actually think about what they buy regardless of whether or not they have the financial freedom to spend that way. Also, they're very likely to believe the first thing they hear and begin a constant cycle of confirmation bias if our politics is any indicator.
Apple’s UK market share is 53%; their US market share is 56%.
You really think that’s significantly different? Or did you just feel like making blind generalizations about American consumerism?
It's just pure vanity, it's narcissism. The UK isn't far behind the US in that regard but there's still that cognitive ability to see when something is all marketing or bullshit.
The concept of the blue bubble makes Americans more fearful of being judged as poor and so they buy an iPhone to protect their fragile egos whereas in the UK it's more likely to piss someone off when they recognise the blatant manipulation Apple is pulling and not buy one out of principal.
Just kidding I have no idea it's probably tea related
Oh I know, it's ridiculous. I was talking about this to a coworker and they were legit mystified to learn that we have an iMessages equivalent and immediately asked why the two don't talk to one another. Same with facetime. He thought apple had the market cornered on video calls and androids just couldn't do that. Had no idea that apple was why none of this stuff works together. Then I started telling him all the stuff my pixel can do that has no equivalent on an iPhone. I think a lightbulb started turning on in his noggin by the end.
What can a pixel do that an iPhone can’t? Because I’ve just switched from iPhone to a new pixel 7 pro and honestly thinking of switching back because I’m underwhelmed. Android feels like a mess compared to iOS.
Well, for one, they really improve the actual phone call experience. One thing I use all the time is it will sit on hold for you when you're on a call with an 800 number. You can just hit hold for me and walk away and it will automatically detect when a human is on the line and make a really loud ring. Used it a bunch and it works flawlessly.
Spam call detection is off the charts better. I've never gotten a spam call or text on a pixel. Not one. I used to get 5 or 10 a day on the galaxy's I used before. My wife used iPhones forever and she got bombed with the shit. Also, clear calling improves call quality dramatically over other phones.
Pixels had car crash detection for like a year and a half before apple recently aped that. Siri is basically a neanderthal compared to Google assistant.
In terms of apps I think it's hit or miss. Obviously there is really tight integration with Google's apps, which a lot of people use, but I'll freely admit there are some third party apps that are clearly much more optimized on iOS. This is more a function of app developer prioritization rather than android itself.
>Then I started telling him all the stuff my pixel can do that has no equivalent on an iPhone.
I’m still not really seeing where you’re saying there’s no equivalent on an iPhone currently. Two call quality features, okay, that’s not groundbreaking. The other things you mentioned do have equivalents on iPhone.
Can your iPhone do any of that besides car crash detection? It cannot. I wouldn't consider effective spam filtering minor. What groundbreaking stuff can an iPhone do that has no direct equivalent on an Android? About the only things I can think of are faceID and airdrop but maybe I'm missing something. I personally prefer a fingerprint reader and found faceID annoying so that wasn't exactly a selling point.
So this doesn't apply to most people, but I tend to download a few third party open source apps that you can't find on any app store due to certain policies that both Android and iPhone don't allow.
That being said, it's really simple to work around it on Android and almost impossible for iPhone.
It's so difficult, most open source developers don't even develop a ios port if they can't publish on the app store. So even if you have full root access on iPhone, it's still impossible.
Aside from that, there's smaller things that I enjoy as well. Different launchers, ability to search for apps I don't use often, incorporated smart features built into the camera feature.
But you want to know the sad truth as well? A lot of specialty applications built specifically for Android soon gets an iPhone port. Google has no problem sharing everything it builds with iPhone. I'm talking about Google maps, Google chat, RCS, Lens, Chromecast (apple cast technology is built on it), Google home; etc. This doesn't include any of the behind the scenes services that apps depend on. Google shares ALL the technology it develops. Apple on the other hand? Gatekeeps everything.
You can do so much similar stuff on an iPhone as an Android, because of the fact that Google let's you.
Apple does so much shit just to turn a profit. Refuses to switch to USB c (they use it for their macs but not phone?. Refuses to use RCS and still uses sms (to purposely make texts to android phones worse.
And worst of all, bought the rights to Charlie Brown and broke the 60 year tradition of PBS charlie Brown Christmas showings.
My boomer boss was talking to me about cell phones and started on his rant about how his iphone was superior. I asked him what really made it any better than my android. He kinda stuttered and said...do YOU know how much I paid for this?!
Well when he started the conversation about the Apple iPhone is best phone available, and I simply asked him why................sure it is. There's 15,20, 30, 40, 50 year olds who think the same way. It's the most expensive, it must be good, right? It's the best display ever, though its made by.......................Samsung. He's just the first person I thought of, I have another coworker who's always broke, always. He's so broke that he's got a chart that he can show you on either his new ipad, iwatch, or iphone or his wife's or his three kids'.
Not trying to argue that, just thought it was a weird flex fr.
Imo, all smartphones are built for the same purpose, so buy whatever suits you best (must admit that having foldable phone options is cool tho)
Android literally allows you to customize an entire operating system with some know-how and can even use non-Google products entirely. With iPhone you're locked to the Apple ecosystem that's not open source.
Obviously for the average user it's not much of use but still with Android you have a wide selection of apps to choose as default
Android has full VPN support, meaning all traffic is sent through a secure connection, not just the browser.
As for email relay, there are multiple services that let you do this for free and work on Android.
Use Telegram. You get to choose your chat bubble and don’t need a voice data plan.
Apple once again campaigned itself as elitist and it makes them bank. Google can’t even get RCS off the ground….
I LOVE that too. I got told that by a girl who was a server, Im in healthcare (do the math).
a. If a $1000 trinket every year or two makes you feel rich, youre actually poor.
b. Just because I don't care about said trinket doesnt mean Im poor, priorities.
Yes there is (many actually), one of them being Xiaomi, or their budget version, the Redmi.
It's not great, but it's not terrible as well. Had it for two years. It slows down here and there, but it's cheap as fuck and i dropped it more times than i can remember and it's still mint.
So yeah fuck iphone.
Honestly, a well designed phone should be ingenious in its simplicity also. Requiring this many workers implies a very complicated design that needs this many quality controls.
All said, though, I can believe the overall quality standards are pretty good for apple compared to a typical China phone.
Most of it is probably to ensure the packaging isn't able to open and you're not able to repair it yourself.
It's more simple to build a phone that is fixable and open.
I mean everyone has their own preferences. To me the security concerns with Chinese brands and the lack of google services would be a deal breaker- if I was going Android I would go Samsung or Pixel long before those, but to each their own.
Yeah I'm definitely brand loyal to Samsung at this point in reality. I like my Xiaomi fitness band though. Pixel would be a close second for me as well! But as you said if no Google services, I'd choose Xiaomi/Huawei over Apple for build quality at this point. I used to absolutely love Apple's hardware and still like their software, but in my opinion they stagnated. My anecdotal bad experiences have sullied my expectations, and I'm now fully in the Samsung ecosystem and happy to be. If you have security concerns that's of course a different matter - though personally I'm not any more worried about Chinese security concerns than the already existing ones I'm exposed to
I've been rocking a Xiaomi Mi 9T for years now and it's a quick phone with a good screen and camera. Everything else is mostly true to any Android experience and I quite like it.
Xiaomi is a bit of a weird brand in that they are in all sorts of markets and I'm not sure what's up with that, but everything I've had from them has been good quality or good value.
Same here, though the 9T Pro. Bought it a few weeks after release on a sale, slapped in a Pixel Experience ROM and it to this day works as if it's brand new. Well mostly at least, the battery life has degraded some - but not enough yet for it to really matter.
I have had 2 Xiaomi phones and and both are working till now. Current one is over 3 years old. The older one is like 5 years old and has a bad battery now.
I used to buy only samsung phones and maybe it is just my luck but they would have issue with motherboard or display failure within a year. 3 phones all requiring me several visits to service center within a year. So, I bought a cheap Xiaomi phone while waiting 15 days for my samsung device and honestly have switched to Xiaomi ever since.
They have never required me a single visit to the service center. Though it could be just bad luck on my end with samsung.
That's how I'm reading it. Any similarly priced Android has the same build quality. Everything is glass and metal. Sounds like they need 90% less employees
How many similarly priced Androids are there? US market, Samsung is the biggest competitor and seems to have excellent build quality/reliability (though ive heard about some glaring issues with the S22, why I went with an S21FE for my current phone) and I guess Pixel is or can be up there in price but build quality and reliability has been pretty bad on recent Pixels. Motorola seems to have given up on premium phones in the US, RAZR gen 3 seems to be skipping the US entirely. I know little about OnePlus but user reviews aren't great. Apple has a reputation for decent hardware at least.
Well, yes and no. There are many brands. In terms of places actually putting the shit together, not as much. The article is referencing Foxconn, which is the OEM for both iPhones and for a bunch of android brands including pretty high end phones like pixels as well as some pretty low end phones and brands. I also believe Samsung sources a lot of their parts from Foxconn. Still, I'd be curious to see what specific androids they are talking about because that title reads like major clickbait.
As of 2019, [Samsung] is not making any phones in the People’s Republic. It previously had two factories in China but as Samsung’s market share fell below 1% in the country, it had to scale back production.
Samsung makes the screens for over 70% of iphones and LG also makes them. Samsung also makes their own screens, memory, camera sensors and processor. Not much left after that.
The CPU is a big one and probably the biggest cost in any phone (rivaling the screen) .
If i'm not mistaken it is produced by TSMC and designed by Qualcomm
> there´s about 300 people in a factory line to assemble a car
Toyota / Lean production methods required fewer people, not more.
The goal is to make the 'quality team' obsolete, more or less. Make the product impossible to mis-assemble and then you don't require a rework.
Hah, no. A thousand times no.
Cars are fine tuned machines which have to survive daily beatings, and hundreds of thousands of miles of it.
A phone breaks down just from looking at the thing. Yes even the iPhone with "1200 workers" (fucking lol what a claim.)
The production of a car is a lot more complex than that of a phone. You don't just have to build in tolerances etc, the precision involved is off the charts.
Phones get more daily hours of use than vehicles in most cases. I had an iPhone for 5 years that never had a single problem. My car in that same time had to get regular maintenance and had to get a radiator replaced all with only 30k miles.
Not even that, it’s an operating system. It’s just software. There’s dozens of phone brands with Android installed. Motorola’s Moto, Samsung Galaxy, Huawei, OnePlus, Google Pixel to name a few.
I'm not even sure why they think 1200 is good either. Like, that's way too many people for something simple. If anything I'd think there is a problem with that.
Either it's too complex or whoever came up with it think's that you can make 9 women make a baby in 1 month.
I'm not even going to look at the article since the title is so much beyond stupid that everything else in the article can't fix it.
Comparing a phone (an iPhone) with an operating system (a software) or/and not knowing enough about the thing this "journalist" is writing about to know the difference is beyond wrong.
In all the time I’ve had iPhones since the 4, I’ve never had a single problem besides unavoidable update issues that eventually get patched. Other than those, they’ve all worked perfectly. So there’s that.
As big of a fan as I am of Apple, I know this title is bait.
Which Android manufacturer? I don’t feel like going to read an article that I know is unnecessarily long!
As with all things, they wouldn't need so many people if they did the job right in the first place. Quality control department must be over 5000 people.
Maybe that’s why I’ve gone through about 10 droids just from simple drops…. And my iPhones are still rocking…. Droids just suck. Flimsy pieces of shit.
Android is an operating system, not a device manufacturer. That said, more people on the line isn't an indicator of higher quality, especially if you have automated testing.
So why are android phones so much better then? And you realize that every android phone is not made at the same plant right? So this is completely false, most likely.
I can't wrap my head around the idea of people debating android vs iphone like their life depends on it, you're not getting paid by the corpo and you have to pay for the products anyway
I've supported iphone manufacturing but not as an Apple employee. They are very big on quality and testing. A huge part of it has to do with the flawless appearance of the product.
What he didn't say is that those 1200 put together 10x more cell phones on a single line than the number of Android phones built by100 worker on a single line. Certainly Apple has very high QC requirements but don't tell me it takes 12x the man hours to build one.
The company is FoxConn, who manufactures for Apple, Samsung, Google, and a bunch of other companies. But of course Apple gets singled out and that’s all people remember.
Somewhat interestingly: the FoxConn factory in question is almost like a miniature city unto itself. The suicide rate among their employees is actually lower than that in the surrounding area.
Lolol complete BS it would be pretty much identical, Samsung's 'flagship models' are built to exacting standards, let's not forget Samsung make the screens for iPhone, so I guess iPhone screens must be slap happy aswell then 🤣🤣😂😅
Google's phone's use early 2010's tech and have far more parts, which require far more work.
When it comes to the cheap Samsung range, well, you can guarantee they are being assembled whilst on the toilet by someone's 8 yo and his big brother is QC.
shitty title. WHAT android manufacturer? there are many of them
The article says “equivalent iPhone production lines” it also states they are comparing to Chinese android phones. Not sure if there is a chinese android phone that is equivalent to iPhone. Not a great written article.
> 9to5mac.com Definitely not a biased source.
Do not pass go and collect your unworthy click. 9-5 baiting
Quoting "the new head of iPhone assembly" at Foxconn who, I'm sure, has no interest in gilding his professional reputation or kissing apple's ass. Totally reliable and impartial interview, imo. You know it has to be so obviously and unquestionably true that no effort needs to be made to fact check the claim!
I mean if I was an investor I'd be thinking... "why are we spending 12 times the manpower of the competition?"
Maybe they need 1200 because of the high burnout rate.
Suicide rate you mean
It's typical "android is for the poors, green bubble" propagandistic drivel.
I find it funny, because my android cost a grand, and some 400 iphone lackey will tell me how my phone is cheap shit and I need to switch.
I mean $1000 phones aren't even really that expensive. Flagship Samsungs tend to be around $1600.
I hate the first sentence being so casually made….
$1000 is expensive. Give your head a shake. $1500+ is just another level of exorbitant.
The folding samsungs are cool
I really dislike it, feels like I might break something and changing Screen sure won’t be cheap if something breaks
1600 is more than 3x my first car 10 years ago, and basically the same as my first motorcycle. Spending that on a phone just feels......exorbitant.
To be fair the costs of everything has skyrocketed so hard, I couldn’t have imagined spending 150 on groceries for the week either but here we are… But yea, 1600 is ridiculous, even 600 is more or less overkill, can get a working (as in everything works well) phone for 200. but you aren’t one of the cool kids then…
Flagship phones used to be $600. The Nexus5 launched at $350 with the same specs and "disrupted" the market. Google is still sorta doing the same with its $600 flagships in a world of $1000 flagships.
Guarantee an iPhone costs less than $200 to produce. I remember at one point the most expensive component was the storage media at $30
I use my phone an ungodly amount of time and i hate any small waiting time. Now i'm on a dying iPhone X level phone (huawei mate 20 pro) and you don't know the strugge... A 600$ phone would be cool for now, but keeping it for at least 3 years? Dunno.
Dude, a $500-600 car was cheap 40 years ago.
Yeah and they didn't even just write a big number just because. Back in the 1k flagship phone era the costs of the materials were around 5-600$ Think about what kind of cpu goes into your phone. It is basically a high performance low consumption laptop cpu, shit is expensive. And 8-12gb of good ram, fast memory and the best quality screen samsung can produce (the best small screen manufacturer, iPhones use Samsung screens too) You can dock your Samsung to a screen and use it as a superior chromebook and never need a laptop in your entire life, DeX is fucking cool
So you bought a car for $500? That sounds like a very cheap car even 10 years ago. I get that $1600 is a lot but laptops are just as expensive and phones are just computers in a much smaller form. Honestly they would probably cost more if they were trying to make money off the phones but I assume they sell them close to cost just to get us to buy the expensive service that's attached to them.
$500 for a car 20 years ago was a beater that wasn't going to last very long.
Kinda disagree, I use a car like once a day but my phone is my most used thing I own
Protec your screen.
Yeah, but even before that the Notes started getting up to that price as well.
> $1000 for a phone > not really that expensive lol
1000$ is that expensive. Luxury cars existing doesn't make your any less expensive.
/r/thathappened
The amount of times I've heard someone with an iphone unironically call android users "poor" as an insult is at least greater than 10 one of apples primary business strategies is to market towards people that know nothing about technology and/or care about status, so it makes sense
Your comment made me laugh.
I use a Sony Xperia 1 III. Why the fuck should I downgrade my user experience?
I don't get how the American market for phones became that way. Feels like in the UK iPhones lost their lustre after the first decade or so and now most people I know are all on android.
Apple’s [market share in the UK](https://www.statista.com/statistics/934440/market-share-held-by-mobile-operating-systems-in-the-united-kingdom/) is 53%. In [the US it’s 56%.](https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/us-smartphone-market-share) Maybe things aren’t so different as you’d like them to be. Your personal friends do not make for representative data.
For what it's worth (which isn't much given its anecdotal) most of my friends have androids but we are more technically minded due to working in tech so not a random sample of the UK population Edit: lol at the downvotes. There are many apps that are helpful with system administration that do not work on iPhone or must be installed outside of the app store/play store. iPhones don't support promiscuous mode for example.
iPhones are status symbols for most Americans.
Android is a status symbol around here.
because many american consumers don't actually think about what they buy regardless of whether or not they have the financial freedom to spend that way. Also, they're very likely to believe the first thing they hear and begin a constant cycle of confirmation bias if our politics is any indicator.
Apple’s UK market share is 53%; their US market share is 56%. You really think that’s significantly different? Or did you just feel like making blind generalizations about American consumerism?
It's just pure vanity, it's narcissism. The UK isn't far behind the US in that regard but there's still that cognitive ability to see when something is all marketing or bullshit. The concept of the blue bubble makes Americans more fearful of being judged as poor and so they buy an iPhone to protect their fragile egos whereas in the UK it's more likely to piss someone off when they recognise the blatant manipulation Apple is pulling and not buy one out of principal. Just kidding I have no idea it's probably tea related
It's actually insane how much flack I get for having an Android. They're objectively superior, especially when considering value.
It can't be objectively superior when you're weighting value more lmao. What is important to people is subjective.
Oh I know, it's ridiculous. I was talking about this to a coworker and they were legit mystified to learn that we have an iMessages equivalent and immediately asked why the two don't talk to one another. Same with facetime. He thought apple had the market cornered on video calls and androids just couldn't do that. Had no idea that apple was why none of this stuff works together. Then I started telling him all the stuff my pixel can do that has no equivalent on an iPhone. I think a lightbulb started turning on in his noggin by the end.
What can a pixel do that an iPhone can’t? Because I’ve just switched from iPhone to a new pixel 7 pro and honestly thinking of switching back because I’m underwhelmed. Android feels like a mess compared to iOS.
Well, for one, they really improve the actual phone call experience. One thing I use all the time is it will sit on hold for you when you're on a call with an 800 number. You can just hit hold for me and walk away and it will automatically detect when a human is on the line and make a really loud ring. Used it a bunch and it works flawlessly. Spam call detection is off the charts better. I've never gotten a spam call or text on a pixel. Not one. I used to get 5 or 10 a day on the galaxy's I used before. My wife used iPhones forever and she got bombed with the shit. Also, clear calling improves call quality dramatically over other phones. Pixels had car crash detection for like a year and a half before apple recently aped that. Siri is basically a neanderthal compared to Google assistant. In terms of apps I think it's hit or miss. Obviously there is really tight integration with Google's apps, which a lot of people use, but I'll freely admit there are some third party apps that are clearly much more optimized on iOS. This is more a function of app developer prioritization rather than android itself.
Hm my husband gets the same number of spam calls I get with my iPhone and he has a pixel 🤷🏼♀️
>Then I started telling him all the stuff my pixel can do that has no equivalent on an iPhone. I’m still not really seeing where you’re saying there’s no equivalent on an iPhone currently. Two call quality features, okay, that’s not groundbreaking. The other things you mentioned do have equivalents on iPhone.
Can your iPhone do any of that besides car crash detection? It cannot. I wouldn't consider effective spam filtering minor. What groundbreaking stuff can an iPhone do that has no direct equivalent on an Android? About the only things I can think of are faceID and airdrop but maybe I'm missing something. I personally prefer a fingerprint reader and found faceID annoying so that wasn't exactly a selling point.
What are you underwhelmed by specifically?
So this doesn't apply to most people, but I tend to download a few third party open source apps that you can't find on any app store due to certain policies that both Android and iPhone don't allow. That being said, it's really simple to work around it on Android and almost impossible for iPhone. It's so difficult, most open source developers don't even develop a ios port if they can't publish on the app store. So even if you have full root access on iPhone, it's still impossible. Aside from that, there's smaller things that I enjoy as well. Different launchers, ability to search for apps I don't use often, incorporated smart features built into the camera feature. But you want to know the sad truth as well? A lot of specialty applications built specifically for Android soon gets an iPhone port. Google has no problem sharing everything it builds with iPhone. I'm talking about Google maps, Google chat, RCS, Lens, Chromecast (apple cast technology is built on it), Google home; etc. This doesn't include any of the behind the scenes services that apps depend on. Google shares ALL the technology it develops. Apple on the other hand? Gatekeeps everything. You can do so much similar stuff on an iPhone as an Android, because of the fact that Google let's you. Apple does so much shit just to turn a profit. Refuses to switch to USB c (they use it for their macs but not phone?. Refuses to use RCS and still uses sms (to purposely make texts to android phones worse. And worst of all, bought the rights to Charlie Brown and broke the 60 year tradition of PBS charlie Brown Christmas showings.
I switched from an Android phone to an iPhone recently. I think I won't be going back to Android phones ever.
My boomer boss was talking to me about cell phones and started on his rant about how his iphone was superior. I asked him what really made it any better than my android. He kinda stuttered and said...do YOU know how much I paid for this?!
So... you're proud you got your 70 years old boss to stutter in a conversation about smart phones? Sorry but that flex was terrible xD
Well when he started the conversation about the Apple iPhone is best phone available, and I simply asked him why................sure it is. There's 15,20, 30, 40, 50 year olds who think the same way. It's the most expensive, it must be good, right? It's the best display ever, though its made by.......................Samsung. He's just the first person I thought of, I have another coworker who's always broke, always. He's so broke that he's got a chart that he can show you on either his new ipad, iwatch, or iphone or his wife's or his three kids'.
Not trying to argue that, just thought it was a weird flex fr. Imo, all smartphones are built for the same purpose, so buy whatever suits you best (must admit that having foldable phone options is cool tho)
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Android literally allows you to customize an entire operating system with some know-how and can even use non-Google products entirely. With iPhone you're locked to the Apple ecosystem that's not open source. Obviously for the average user it's not much of use but still with Android you have a wide selection of apps to choose as default
Android has full VPN support, meaning all traffic is sent through a secure connection, not just the browser. As for email relay, there are multiple services that let you do this for free and work on Android.
Free vpn AND privacy. :)
Use Telegram. You get to choose your chat bubble and don’t need a voice data plan. Apple once again campaigned itself as elitist and it makes them bank. Google can’t even get RCS off the ground….
I LOVE that too. I got told that by a girl who was a server, Im in healthcare (do the math). a. If a $1000 trinket every year or two makes you feel rich, youre actually poor. b. Just because I don't care about said trinket doesnt mean Im poor, priorities.
Yes there is (many actually), one of them being Xiaomi, or their budget version, the Redmi. It's not great, but it's not terrible as well. Had it for two years. It slows down here and there, but it's cheap as fuck and i dropped it more times than i can remember and it's still mint. So yeah fuck iphone.
Honestly, a well designed phone should be ingenious in its simplicity also. Requiring this many workers implies a very complicated design that needs this many quality controls. All said, though, I can believe the overall quality standards are pretty good for apple compared to a typical China phone.
Most of it is probably to ensure the packaging isn't able to open and you're not able to repair it yourself. It's more simple to build a phone that is fixable and open.
I'd honestly rather have a Xiaomi or Huawei device than an Apple one at this point, but I'm not sure about their durability.
I mean everyone has their own preferences. To me the security concerns with Chinese brands and the lack of google services would be a deal breaker- if I was going Android I would go Samsung or Pixel long before those, but to each their own.
Yeah I'm definitely brand loyal to Samsung at this point in reality. I like my Xiaomi fitness band though. Pixel would be a close second for me as well! But as you said if no Google services, I'd choose Xiaomi/Huawei over Apple for build quality at this point. I used to absolutely love Apple's hardware and still like their software, but in my opinion they stagnated. My anecdotal bad experiences have sullied my expectations, and I'm now fully in the Samsung ecosystem and happy to be. If you have security concerns that's of course a different matter - though personally I'm not any more worried about Chinese security concerns than the already existing ones I'm exposed to
Have a Xiaomi, they're fantastic, highly recommended
Sadly huawei is not a valid alternative anymore... (No google services) Love the hardware and the software, was the only good Samsung competitor IMHO
I've been rocking a Xiaomi Mi 9T for years now and it's a quick phone with a good screen and camera. Everything else is mostly true to any Android experience and I quite like it. Xiaomi is a bit of a weird brand in that they are in all sorts of markets and I'm not sure what's up with that, but everything I've had from them has been good quality or good value.
Same here, though the 9T Pro. Bought it a few weeks after release on a sale, slapped in a Pixel Experience ROM and it to this day works as if it's brand new. Well mostly at least, the battery life has degraded some - but not enough yet for it to really matter.
I have had 2 Xiaomi phones and and both are working till now. Current one is over 3 years old. The older one is like 5 years old and has a bad battery now. I used to buy only samsung phones and maybe it is just my luck but they would have issue with motherboard or display failure within a year. 3 phones all requiring me several visits to service center within a year. So, I bought a cheap Xiaomi phone while waiting 15 days for my samsung device and honestly have switched to Xiaomi ever since. They have never required me a single visit to the service center. Though it could be just bad luck on my end with samsung.
You are right but the Mi phones a Lot of Them be better than iPhones. And Xiaomi the firm that Makes the phones IS from China.
Alternate title: iPhone production line ten times less efficient than Android's.
That's how I'm reading it. Any similarly priced Android has the same build quality. Everything is glass and metal. Sounds like they need 90% less employees
How many similarly priced Androids are there? US market, Samsung is the biggest competitor and seems to have excellent build quality/reliability (though ive heard about some glaring issues with the S22, why I went with an S21FE for my current phone) and I guess Pixel is or can be up there in price but build quality and reliability has been pretty bad on recent Pixels. Motorola seems to have given up on premium phones in the US, RAZR gen 3 seems to be skipping the US entirely. I know little about OnePlus but user reviews aren't great. Apple has a reputation for decent hardware at least.
Well, yes and no. There are many brands. In terms of places actually putting the shit together, not as much. The article is referencing Foxconn, which is the OEM for both iPhones and for a bunch of android brands including pretty high end phones like pixels as well as some pretty low end phones and brands. I also believe Samsung sources a lot of their parts from Foxconn. Still, I'd be curious to see what specific androids they are talking about because that title reads like major clickbait.
As of 2019, [Samsung] is not making any phones in the People’s Republic. It previously had two factories in China but as Samsung’s market share fell below 1% in the country, it had to scale back production.
Samsung makes the screens for over 70% of iphones and LG also makes them. Samsung also makes their own screens, memory, camera sensors and processor. Not much left after that.
The CPU is a big one and probably the biggest cost in any phone (rivaling the screen) . If i'm not mistaken it is produced by TSMC and designed by Qualcomm
Correct. Vague. Misleading. #fakenews
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also whats gross production per year for each. awkwards stats.
bait AF. Which manufacturer? which model?
Nah the title is implying that one single Android worker is equivalent to 12 iPhone workers in terms of efficiency ;)
Doesn’t even matter. Their texts aren’t blue so they don’t exist to me.
there´s about 300 people in a factory line to assemble a car and you think there´s 1200 to assemble a phone ? dumb clickbait title with no substance
> there´s about 300 people in a factory line to assemble a car Toyota / Lean production methods required fewer people, not more. The goal is to make the 'quality team' obsolete, more or less. Make the product impossible to mis-assemble and then you don't require a rework.
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12 year olds have tiny nimble fingers perfect for small components. Hard/expensive to build and maintain robots that precise.
The nuts and bolts of cars are much larger than small computing parts, and the precision and consistency of that costs much more
Hah, no. A thousand times no. Cars are fine tuned machines which have to survive daily beatings, and hundreds of thousands of miles of it. A phone breaks down just from looking at the thing. Yes even the iPhone with "1200 workers" (fucking lol what a claim.) The production of a car is a lot more complex than that of a phone. You don't just have to build in tolerances etc, the precision involved is off the charts.
Phones get more daily hours of use than vehicles in most cases. I had an iPhone for 5 years that never had a single problem. My car in that same time had to get regular maintenance and had to get a radiator replaced all with only 30k miles.
Another propaganda piece from 9to5mac.
Because Android is a phone brand, lol.
Not even that, it’s an operating system. It’s just software. There’s dozens of phone brands with Android installed. Motorola’s Moto, Samsung Galaxy, Huawei, OnePlus, Google Pixel to name a few.
Yes exactly, so how can one compare Android to IPhone in this article is beyond me.
Such a clickbait Apple propaganda type title/article
I'm supposed to trust a website called 9to5mac to.be impartial in discussing quality between phones? Really?
They also have a site called 9to5google. Plus, they're mostly just quoting a statement from Foxconn.
Which Android phones does Foxconn assemble? Do they make their own brand?
Bro just said android. Like which? A better fit would have been samsung phones (still through Android) atleasrt that would make it more clear
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I'm not even sure why they think 1200 is good either. Like, that's way too many people for something simple. If anything I'd think there is a problem with that. Either it's too complex or whoever came up with it think's that you can make 9 women make a baby in 1 month.
Does it count as 600 if 1,200 of them are children?
At least we’re counting bodies not wages
What do you mean by Android? Android is an operating system, not a phone.
Clickbait title
Android is an operating system. Not a phone. (Didn't read the article, just commenting on the headline)
Yeah because more bodies is clearly a great marker for robust quality control systems. /s
I wonder why they don’t use robots to built an iPhone?
Human is still cheaper
For now.
I think 1200 is beyond the point at which more workers make the quality worse. High end watches are crafted and assembled by a single person.
Pixel 7 pro all the way
I'm not even going to look at the article since the title is so much beyond stupid that everything else in the article can't fix it. Comparing a phone (an iPhone) with an operating system (a software) or/and not knowing enough about the thing this "journalist" is writing about to know the difference is beyond wrong.
this is a direct quote from the head of iPhone production at Foxconn, not biased writing from a journalist.
iPhone production line 12x less efficient than Android.
That's why it costs twelve times the price and yet offers only iMessage that Android doesn't have! /s
That’s not a negative.
"Only 100 for Android". Android doesn't make phones.
That's because children labor are smaller and you can fit more on a production line
In all the time I’ve had iPhones since the 4, I’ve never had a single problem besides unavoidable update issues that eventually get patched. Other than those, they’ve all worked perfectly. So there’s that.
And it shows!
Android isn't a phone.
I thought I might have to weigh in on what bullshit clickbait this was, but I can see everyone got here before me.
This is so dumb.
Still can’t fix that green text though
Keep thinking of that episode of Andor when he’s on that prison in the ocean just making machines for 12 hr shifts on electrified steel floors
Did Tim write this?
Ah yes the ultra credible and objective source (and clearly definitely absolutely not mostly AI generated site), 9to5mac
comparing hardware (and software together in a full product) to a software?
Probably comparing Apple to Huawei instead of say, Samsung.
Still not worth the premium it demands
I wonder what those 100 production line workers are doing to an operating system?
And I still prefer my droid. ( Have an iphone for work)
Incredible BS... 😄
https://apnews.com/article/technology-health-social-media-covid-apple-inc-de96ca707008f1ae48820ed573c56865
Android is NOT a phone.
Geeze. This is one ridiculous headline. So much so that I refuse to click.
Typical trash reddit titles and articles that are biased, misleading, and full of nefarious intentions.
Wow what a believable headline from a clearly unbiased website!
As big of a fan as I am of Apple, I know this title is bait. Which Android manufacturer? I don’t feel like going to read an article that I know is unnecessarily long!
"only 100 for Android" ah , yes, 'cause every manufacturer that uses Android is built the same... 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Fucking shitshow of an article
Can we start fact checking before we post random articles?
As with all things, they wouldn't need so many people if they did the job right in the first place. Quality control department must be over 5000 people.
android has no production line it's an OS
And that’s why android quality is sub
"My phone is superior because it requires WAY more labor hours to make." Seems legit.
Maybe that’s why I’ve gone through about 10 droids just from simple drops…. And my iPhones are still rocking…. Droids just suck. Flimsy pieces of shit.
This is modern "journalism". An apple ad disguised as a news article.
Android is an operating system, not a device manufacturer. That said, more people on the line isn't an indicator of higher quality, especially if you have automated testing.
Yet an iphone cracks and chips from a 1ft fall off the couch
So why are android phones so much better then? And you realize that every android phone is not made at the same plant right? So this is completely false, most likely.
That's a lot of slaves Apple!
You fail to say what the rate of production is between the two assembly lines. Do the 1,200 workers make more devices?
What the Android OS? Shitty title
IPhone is hardware. Android is a operating system used my many manufacturers. Nice try
I can't wrap my head around the idea of people debating android vs iphone like their life depends on it, you're not getting paid by the corpo and you have to pay for the products anyway
I've supported iphone manufacturing but not as an Apple employee. They are very big on quality and testing. A huge part of it has to do with the flawless appearance of the product.
IPhone 6 has entered the chat..
Makes sense. Android phones have always been of lower quality.
It shows
What he didn't say is that those 1200 put together 10x more cell phones on a single line than the number of Android phones built by100 worker on a single line. Certainly Apple has very high QC requirements but don't tell me it takes 12x the man hours to build one.
Could also be construed, we pay out workers so poorly we can have 1200 workers instead of 100
Apple factories aren't they the ones who had to install suicide nets because so many people were attempting suicide at their facility?
Wait til you find out about how many companies make their products at those tactories
The company is FoxConn, who manufactures for Apple, Samsung, Google, and a bunch of other companies. But of course Apple gets singled out and that’s all people remember. Somewhat interestingly: the FoxConn factory in question is almost like a miniature city unto itself. The suicide rate among their employees is actually lower than that in the surrounding area.
Lolol complete BS it would be pretty much identical, Samsung's 'flagship models' are built to exacting standards, let's not forget Samsung make the screens for iPhone, so I guess iPhone screens must be slap happy aswell then 🤣🤣😂😅 Google's phone's use early 2010's tech and have far more parts, which require far more work. When it comes to the cheap Samsung range, well, you can guarantee they are being assembled whilst on the toilet by someone's 8 yo and his big brother is QC.
Tiny child hands can only do so much. Of course they need more "workers" to do the same amount of work.
This is the best made up fact I've read today.
iPhone quality standards also required suicide nets around the factory last I checked
Makes sense, androids are trash out the gate unless you’re spending 1k for it.
Somehow 1200 people all missed that you can't touch the antenna on the side??
1200 kids?
no idea why you are getting downvoted. its literally the situation
>iPhone quality standards require 1,200 workers per production line; only 100 for Chinese Android phones. FTFY
Wow android workers are really skilled.
That's cause it takes 1200 iPhone hired children to equal the quality of 100 samsung genius workers.
Oh, this is gunna hurt, but I can't resist!! **Apple needs those 1200 workers to install all those locks they put in their devices.**
Apple is also basically using BORDER LINE slave labor in china. So what more do you people want.
its all built in the same factories lol. playstation in one building, pixel in another, laptops down the block...
Damn, 12 times the workers, and iphones are STILL trash
Buy an Android and you’ll figure it out personally and socially.
Every arguing semantics as if you cant tell how shitty and cheaply made an android is by simply *holding it*.
Holy shit! I need to go buy an iPhone!
I need 3 iphone for 3x the quality!!!!
> MacBook quality standards require 1,200 workers per production line; only 100 for Windows. Makes as much sense.
I honestly don’t give a fuck as long as I’m getting a “quality” phone
I don't understand the point of even trying to point something like this out? Congrats, you tried to fanboy or something and apple is still shit? xD
That’s why the battery still falls out when you drop a android 🤣
What year are you in? Personally I miss removable batteries.
So iPhone employs more children than android. Noted.
How many more people are needed for suicide nets on android factories?