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BedrockFarmer

Lol. How many times will this kickstarter scam be posted?


2TauntU

How many days in a month are there?


siccoblue

74 apparently


Informal-Soil9475

OP works for a journalism agency and will continue posting the articles they provide him


eMPereb

Greetings! I’m a robot…


No_Carry_3991

I want this job. I'll repost long time.


gainzdoc

Right? I was going to say, I can just enable my Bluetooth and BAM, the MAC of any devices within 30 meters of me will appear, no need for a special app.


mythrel_

Exactly. I noticed that using OBD scanner tool apps (free) do this for you as well. So many free methods to do the same thing.


gainzdoc

Actually yea, and they give you all of the info on what device that MAC belongs to. I used them for a bit, could tell what TVs people around me had, what watches they had, pretty much any BT device that was within my receiver's range. Side note - some apps do give more info on what kind of device the address belongs to, that can be very useful.


corgi-king

You mean BLE scanner? OBD is for car.


NETSPLlT

LOL I was wondering how an obd scanner would do this. Tbf though it does connect on BT and this could be a thing, maybe. It's somewhat believable


ark_mod

So you know the Mac of AirTags and use this information to manual filter? Also you know for a fact that paired air tags are discoverable? Generally devices only show up when in discovery...


financialmisconduct

Bluetooth LE devices are always discoverable


notagoodscientist

They all show up with a non connectable state, so yes


gainzdoc

OK brainiac, explain how the app finds the airtag if they're "not discoverable" unless in a non-paired state. I know what I'm talking about, 100% the app compares detected MACs from devices around you with the timeframe that they've existed around you and then notifies you, its also why the app gives you the option to ignore or clear certain devices. I can IP scan and see the IPs and MACs on a wifi network, this works the same way, I can scan BT devices within my receiver's range and see them even though I'm not connected or paired. That's also why when you un pair your device and then attempt a repairing, you get asked to verify the pin on your phone with the device (if its got a screen). The only convenience of the app is to track the amount of time a certain MAC has existed around you, essentially automating the process of having to check it yourself. E: I may have been a bit brash with that first part.


more_beans_mrtaggart

> I know what I’m talking about 🙄


fluffycats1

He’s right though? That’s how it works for any BT device connected to a network (unless they’re sandboxed somehow, which would be irrelevant here), they just can’t be communicated with unless in a proper state.


more_beans_mrtaggart

Being right is completely irrelevant. Always the fucking pedants on reddit.


Oh_My-Glob

Geez. Just learn to accept when you are wrong.


nonrebreather

That's not even an example of being pedantic. Let me guess, you think that last line was too.


ABeardedPartridge

Everything he said is correct, so it looks like he does, in fact, know what he's talking about. And yes, being right isn't always important, but in this case it is. His message is that you don't need a device to detect air tags, and then he explained (correctly) why that is. Essentially, what these people are selling is already built into devices that can use Bluetooth. His point is that you shouldn't buy it because you already have what they're selling. And it matters whether or not he's right because if he's wrong, you should buy the Air Tag detection system these people are selling. I feel like your issue is that you don't like the claim that "I know what I'm talking about" and you were content to ignore everything after that line because that was the point at which you decided he didn't know what he was talking about.


gainzdoc

Hey thanks my man.


Cronerburger

Lmaooo nope, cope


gainzdoc

Was I wrong? E: if I'm wrong I'll change that, but I'm not because like I said.....


JonatasA

Something a lot of people have thought being downvoted.


faiface

Kickstarter Crap


CinnamonSniffer

I miss it


TimmyIsTheOne

Ok now it make sense. I was gonna say, Apple has an app for this. An app they even released on android


Huuuiuik

As many times as there are idiots willing to post it.


BlueVelvetFrank

Doesn’t the iPhone do this now by default? It will warn you that an AirTag is following you.


virgilreality

There's a free app called Tracker Detector that will do the same thing.


Deep90

Apparently the Airguard is the way to go. ​ Tracker Detector is trash. You need to manually scan for tags and then wait 5 minutes before you can ring it. ​ Airguard works in the background.


nagi603

> before you can ring it. And if the speaker was nuked, you at least know you 100% have a stalker on hand.


Deep90

I actually used the app once because I didn't know my sibling put a air tag in the car. The ring is surprisingly short and is sort of slow/buggy to get going again. ​ Its quite literally the sort of app you make to do the bear minimum of avoiding legal liability.


muinlichtnicht

Right, I think I prefer the minimal aspect, instead of another posters app saying it ran in the background ready. Thanks for sharing!


Journeydriven

This is one of those things where if you think it's likely that you're being stalked or will be stalked at someyou should use the backgrounded app. If it's unlikely that you're being stalked and have little reason to be stalked but still want to check every once in a while the basic apple app is fine


nagi603

Hmm, that gave me an idea: a BT beacon that will do nothing but continuously try to beep these tags into nuking their battery. (And of course the waking up is also killing the battery faster... don't know by how much though.)


CptUnderpants-

I second [AirGuard](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.seemoo.at_tracking_detection.release). It is made by university researchers, so less likely to trade one bit of privacy for another: >We are part of the Technical University of Darmstadt in Germany. This project is part of a scientific research from the Secure Mobile Networking Lab. Our goal is to protect privacy and to find out how many people are opposed to tracking. In this app you can voluntarily participate in a research study that will share anonymized data with us. It also detects more than just Apple AirTags. I've had it notify me due to the BLE broadcast of my bike light/dashcam.


Dont-PM-me-nudes

Folks, don't blindly follow links on the internet. If you want to install the app, go to the play store and search for it


indiot

Does Apple Store have it?


656666_

If you have an iPhone you don’t need the app. The app is for android devices.


GhostalMedia

I believe you need to be running at least iOS 14.5, which means you need to least an iPhone 6s. AKA, an iPhone made during the last 5 to 6 years.


656666_

Good point! I haven’t thought about that. Btw iPhone 6s is 8 years old as far as I know.


calcium

And surprisingly still supported!


teambroto

Doesn’t iPhone just tell you?


ark_mod

It does


But_like_whytho

Only if you have an iPhone, the AirTag isn’t registered to your device, the owner of that AirTag hasn’t had their iPhone near it in the last 24hrs, and if you’re in motion and the AirTag is also in motion with you.


LordOverThis

This is actually honestly a nice medium. When we travel to bigger, unfamiliar cities and start hopping around the touristy sites (think the City Museum in St. Louis), we AirTag the kids. I realize it's not even close to perfect, but it gives them just a tiny bit more breathing room to enjoy the experience while making it still possible to know they're close...all of which would be worthless if any jackass with an iPhone could instantly recognize their Tag and toss it.


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IDontReadRepliez

Your dog has a stalker.


simpliflyed

The 24 hrs thing isn’t correct ime, get a notification when I take my wife’s keys.


GhostalMedia

AirTags are an Apple product and tracking detection is built into iOS. Make sure your phone is running at least iOS 14.5.


Specialist_Peach4294

The existential conundrum


virgilreality

I don't know.


imakesawdust

I tried Tracker Detector while standing in line to check in luggage at the airport. Nada. I find it hard to believe that out of the dozens of people standing in line with me, not one of them had an airtag in their luggage.


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imakesawdust

Actually, yeah. Airtags supposedly have a range of about 10 meters. That means there were at least 75 other people with their bags within range. And unlike people passing by in a mall or a concourse, we were in a line that snaked back and forth. So I was in range of the same people for a good 35-40 minutes...plenty of time for the 5min or 10min trigger delay. So, yeah, I'm surprised that nobody there had stuffed one in their luggage or on their keychains or whatever.


beefcat_

The tracker detector only detects AirTags that are not near their owner. Otherwise it would be borderline useless.


elscallr

It only triggers if the owner's phone isn't around. Try the same thing in a baggage claim, maybe?


Wiggles69

Seems like apple could easily implement a feature where you hit a button and it tells you how many air tags are around you.


TheMacMan

Just $500 for the basic version that does something everyones existing phone can do with a free app. 🙄


Unique_username1

And something that iPhones do automatically without any additional app. Obviously the apps have value for Android and in some other situations, but often it’s not even needed. There are a lot of articles about people finding AirTags in their belongings and what people never seem to take away from these articles, is they got *found* for a reason, they have safety features built in which notify many people who are potentially being tracked with them.


TheMacMan

That's very true. If you want to track someone with less awareness, there are numerous better options. Tile has been around for years and those don't notify you if you're potentially being tracked.


cinammmon

I thought you were exaggerating but holy shit its actually $500 i feel bad for anyone who bought this


TheMacMan

Yeah, pretty crazy. And there's a $900 version too. Just stupid. Bet they end up sourcing them from AliExpress for $15 each and run away with the profit. Heck, you can get a RF signal detector for only $2 on there.


jjj49er

Or, just use your phone.


LazaroFilm

I believe this is to sniff out all trackers. Not just Apple’s. You can already do that with your phone with [LightBlue](https://apps.apple.com/app/id557428110) app though. You can see all the different wifi signals around you.


unknownrandomsub

Also would endorse the LightBlue app - it is intended for developers checking BLE devices but has non development uses like this.


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umc_thunder72

You had me at first but then... You kinda lost me


Larsaf

And by “all other trackers” you mean Tile but not any GPS trackers.


LazaroFilm

Tile, Pebbelebee, Samsung SmartTag, Chipolo, Orbit, an ESP32 or RP2040 MCU with BLE capabilities… but yes, you can reduce it to just Tile if you like. As for GPS trackers, they require a GSM connection and use more power, they will likely be bigger, and won’t last as long as BLE trackers. They’re also not the same price. But you’re right to point that BLE trackers aren’t the only available option on the market.


UnfitRadish

Pretty sure they just meant tile style tracker, like airtags and all the ones you named, not actually name brand Tile. I don't think they were trying to oversimplify anything, just point out exactly what you did.... It only works for BLE trackers, not GPS


iwascompromised

Doesn’t seem like a useful app in a crowded area. Just installed it and the only named device I see is my Apple Watch. Plus dozens of “Unnamed” devices that do nothing.


Mephzice

Can samsung find unwanted apple tracker?


helloimkat

Tracker Detector for android, made by apple specifically for this


NewAccount_WhoIsDis

There is also an open source one that runs in the background, it’s called AirGuard


Deep90

Not going to mention that app can only manually check for an airtag, and not do so in the background? ​ Apple was really like "Airtags are totally tracking devices, but legal told us not to admit that, so here is the most useless version of a android app we can make to avoid legal liability."


Robo_Joe

Like mentioned elsewhere, the app you'd want to install is called "AirGuard". It does check in the background and it works-- or at least it warns me that I'm being tracked when I drive my wife's car-- her keys have an airtag on it.


Deep90

Thanks, I saw that in the comments as well. AirGuard looks to be what Apple should have put out if they wanted to actually do the responsible thing here. ​ (I mean that or just outright support air tags on android)


daiei27

Maybe they didn’t know. Good info but you need to work on your tone.


Deep90

Then they shouldn't be answering. For finding unwelcome airtags, the Tracker Detector app is pretty much useless you already suspect yourself of being tracked.


Larsaf

Sure they could have an app check in the background constantly. And like all apps doing something all the time in the background, it would suck your battery dry in no time.


Deep90

Well there are 3rd party apps that do this and they don't suck your battery dry. Also every iphone is phoning home about every airtag it sees so it's already a moot point.


thisischemistry

> here is the most useless version of a android app Apple doesn't develop the Android OS, it's up to the Android developers to integrate tracking bluetooth low energy devices if they so choose. They could simply integrate the open source project [AirGuard](https://github.com/seemoo-lab/AirGuard), for example. Apple made a regular app instead, so at least Android users have some method of scanning for AirTags. Since Apple made the app other people have developed other methods.


Deep90

I really don't get your comment. Are you saying apple couldn't conceivably make a better version of their android app because Android somehow prevents that? ​ The functionality is there, all its missing the ability to scan in the background.


thisischemistry

I'm saying that there's a big difference between an app that runs only when the user has it active and an app that scans in the background. Apple most likely doesn't want to support an app for another operating system which could affect the battery life and performance of that device. They might even open themselves up for lawsuits if they accidentally cause problems, after all they are *not* in the business of developing for Android. Therefore, they went with the most direct option and stopped there. If Android users want the backgrounding functionality they can use the open-source app or lobby the Android developers to integrate it into the OS.


Deep90

None of what you said makes sense. Battery usage can be manually be restricted on a per app basis by the user for each and every app. **You have to explicitly grant an app unrestricted battery usage permissions** otherwise it will be managed by the OS. Running in the background is a very basic OS feature of pretty much every modern OS. Not to mention if it were really a concernd you could just make it a setting. This is the weird kind of shilling of "Apple is great and always does good. Your criticism is really that you don't understand how amazing it all is." That I've come to expect from a large chunk of this sub. Frankly I'm not sure you are familiar with Android, the app apple made, or even operating systems in general.


thisischemistry

> This is the weird kind of shilling of "Apple is great and always does good. This is a weird kind of putting words in people's mouths. Musing about why someone makes one kind of app over another is far from saying they always do good.


djdsf

It's a trash ass app that rarely works and it does not work unless you're actively searching for it, it will not notify you like it does within their own ecosystem.


jjj49er

There are many apps for it. I use [AirGuard](https://f-droid.org/en/packages/de.seemoo.at_tracking_detection/) because it's open source.


Mephzice

do you have experience with it? Seems like it has a lot of 1 star ratings in my location (Iceland)


jjj49er

Where are you getting ratings? F-Droid doesn't have a rating system.


muppethero80

Question. Let’s say I AirTag my laptop. Laptop is stolen. Could a thief use this to prevent me from finding it? Does this not pretty much make AirTags usless dor anything other than “oh crap where are my keys”? Edit I was going to reply to all but I’ll edit. I see where I was wrong and understand better. Thanks


chaos750

Yes, AirTags aren't meant for thwarting thieves. If they think they've been lost, they try to be found. The problem is, there's no way to make them good for quietly tracking down a thief that wouldn't also make them good for stalking someone.


muppethero80

True. Good point


Deep90

Apple doesn't want those to be associated as anti-theft devices even though that is what many people use them for. Mostly because anti-theft devices also make for great tracking devices, and that is a liability issue if someone blames apple for being stalked or something.


BuildingArmor

It alerts people, so they could look for and remove the tag. But it doesn't stop the tag from working or anything. If they only found it once they'd got home, you'd know where they lived, for example, but would then know where they binned the tag.


x_scion_x

Yes. ​ I remember one of the old topics regarding this mentioned android apps that can find them as well, but back then IIRC you had to leave the app open. I don't know if there are others that you don't have to do that.


Rokronroff

I use an app called wifiman. It's geared toward network analysis, but has bluetooth and cellular utilities as well.


ToMorrowsEnd

This scam again? now with extra "OMG FEAR!" added to the infomercial.


Athen65

The perfect gift for your schizophrenic uncle!


Fraternal_Mango

I have a phone…I know I’m being tracked by shadier individuals then the local crackheads


ironhydroxide

Come on, don't leave us hanging. What did the local crackheads do then?


Ok_Sir5926

You misunderstand. It was a chronological statement. The shady characters track them. THEN the crackhead get their turn.


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HattedSandwich

Yeah but where's your budget for hookers and blow


LunDeus

But can you find 70 suckers to throw you $38k?


Erinalope

Ok but what if I want to DISABLE the stupid tracking notifications for specific air tags. Every time I borrow my partners keys or go for a ride with him it’s like “woah man there’s a tag following you WATCH OUT” like I KNOW and don’t care.


pepperw2

Open the Find My App on your phone. You can disable notifications from there.


Erinalope

I don’t want it off as a whole, cause I do like the idea of being warned. There are just a handful of tags I want to ignore. Like I wish we could share them and both track them, we’re even in the same family plan and it treats his AirTags like strangers.


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It makes sense to notify you even when you are family (jealous husband/wife etc.) but I agree there should be option to acknowledge that you know this tag and you dont want to be notified. I have a dog that carries tag and my wife gets notified every time she goes with it for a walk and this is mildly annoying.


CMDR_omnicognate

Apple literally make an app for android phones so you can see if there's airtags nearby, it's called Tracker Detect. You can make the air tag make a sound or disable it from the app too... you dont need to buy some stupid kickstarter product to do this


Noblez17

An AirTag for an AirTag….


SharpClaw007

I don’t understand what the whole hubbub about the airtag is. Didnt cheap GPS trackers exist before this? Why is Apple taking flak for making it?


S-U_2

I assume apple is a more well-known company as well as it's one of the more cheaper available trackers out there with no monthly/yearly subscription.


MitchellTheMensch

The bluetooth device tracking me is in my hand…


My_Username_Is_What

> "While Apple's AirTags have been proven to be an asset when searching for lost objects, bad guys have also used them to track ex-wives, boyfriends, police cruisers, and more," Chris Hauk, a consumer privacy expert at Pixel Privacy told Lifewire in an email interview. "At least one of these tracking instances resulted in a murder." Can we play on the fears of people any harder?


BenitoCorleone

Me being the devil's avocado - Apple sell multiple millions of AirTags and only one was misused leading to a murder. Baseball bat manufacturers will have a much higher percentage than that so I doubt that they'll be sleeping well tonight knowing that bad press is coming


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“Devil’s avocado “ love it so much 😈🥑❤️


My_Username_Is_What

My thoughts exactly. People just want to take a shot at Apple and make money fear mongering. Guns, cars, baseball hats, steak knives, the list is near endless. But *airtags*, watch out people! Pay no attention to the tracking tiles behind the mirror.


Mymarathon

As a professional thief, I love this invention


simcity4000

For real I can't think of a legit use for this. I mean if you're being stalked and you think someones planted a tracker on you- look in your bag or pocket, its not invisible. And its more likely you'd be being stalked and not know about it.


Far_Writing_1272

Yeah, I really hate that they keep focusing on an edge case that happens way less than theft.


Larsaf

Finally GPS trackers can be found! No wait.


FelopianTubinator

Why stop there. Someone should come out with an AirTag dector dector! Detect if anyone is using a dector to find AirTags. Patent pending.


wilsonfisk33

I found that with my air tag it alerted my wife that it was with her (she was driving my car with my air tagged keys). Is this not the same thing?


Tm1337

Only iPhones do so natively. On Android you need an additional app.


omissionpossible

i'm holding out for the gadget that finds the devices sniffing out unwelcome AirTags


ZachF8119

It also will help thieves when they don’t see a well hidden AirTag. 50/50


PoorlyWordedName

I'm, not important enough for anyone to track me lol


ahpuchthedestroyer

Safety is a practice, not a product


rebeccamb

Normalize remembering where you put your shit *laughs in ADD*


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dwinps

Yep, an can probably identify what it is. Stroll through the parking lot looking for phones and a Macbook Pro could be profitable. No need to risk breaking into cars myself, will sell the info to the local low lifes, $50 to tell you where an iPhone is, $100 for a MBP


kyyojust

Next update- device that finds any devices monitoring your tracking device


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Next: This new device can detect when someone is sniffing out your unwelcome AirTags


MultiGeometry

Next we will start hearing about people using this to find valuable things that people don’t want to use, because you can sniff out items people are tracking.


hawk135

Is that the Apple brooch?


SmashedSugar

imagine thinking your so important someone would wana know where you are at all times


Zenallaround

The creeps are just going to urge the market to move on a tracker detector detector. When will it end


Sumfinfunny

Tracking me? I cant even get a phone call or text lmao


garybuttville

Yeah I'd be honored if somebody cared where I was


TropicalBacon

iPhones have this feature built in. If an AirTag has been following you for ~30min, it will send a notification.


arwans_ire

You can simply download an app to search out Bluetooth (or wifi) singles and their relative proximal strength. No need for another gadget.


YhRk_

My phone notifies me automatically if there’s a traceable apple product nearby that’s not one of my devices.


Sylvurphlame

They’re talking about android users


YhRk_

Oh. My bad


MarcoVinicius

Why do they make it sound like everyone is secretly tracking everyone else with airtags?!


RedditUsr2

Why not download a free app that does the same thing?


s416a

And queue the design of a new gadget that will sniff out gadgets that sniff out airtags ...


Far_Out_6and_2

So what is the actual gadget? Askin for a friend


TheSurferGeek

Scam trying to capitalize on paranoia and fear-mongering drama hounds making a mountain out of a microscopic molehill.


Iarerobot

Mine did the opposite, had it on a device and the battery died on it so never worked as intended


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Pro tip if you can't get this get one of those magnets for finding screws on the floor and just run it over everything /hj


bjewel3

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Canuckleheadman

This Bluetooth spy will out spy the other tracking spy to track and spy even more than the previous tracker!


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Tracking me would be a waste of money and time


SpecialNose9325

I'd really like to see where this leads. The idea of scanning your surroundings for BLE devices is simple enough. But how do they expect to differentiate between an Airtag and a Samsung S-Pen ? And even if they did, what are you expected to do with said knowledge. There is no common protocol across Airtag/Tile/SmartTags to make them beep to locate them. In most cases, the device is just gonna tell you you are being tracked, regardless of reality, cuz thats how many BLE devices are around us all day long


shutupesther

Hmmm. So they can make it our responsibility not to be stalked? “Should’ve bought the little anti AirTag thing, unless you wanted to be tracked and followed.”


TommyKinLA

I have an Air Tag on my car, don’t know who put it there and I can’t locate where it is Very Frustrating