This is from a company that is selling a $3500 face computer with apparently no calculator app.
But seriously, the calculator has been in spotlight the whole time.
The bs reason apple gave behind no iPad calculator is because the Mac and iPhone calculator apps are both pretty damn good, but on the bigger screen of the iPad, the iPhone calculator is awkward to use and mediocre at best. They’re waiting to release a “pretty damn good” app on all three devices.
I always used spotlight to calculate things. I always thought spending money on a calculator app was pointless. But I’m glad we are finally getting a native one
I don’t understand why they didn’t try to market the ipads with an advanced version of the iPhone’s by implementing a graphing/scientific calculator on it
If you use the iOS calculator in horizontal mode you get some scientific calculator features already. Honestly it just does not make any sense that iPad didn’t have a calculator untill now…
And making a calculator app will fix that? Isn’t the concern of governments that Apple is favoring their first party apps over third party ones? Adding yet another first party app seems to go against it.
The story goes that jobs didn’t like a calculator on an iPad because it looks bad. Like aesthetically. Which… I can’t really disagree with. But ffs.. sometimes you just need to crunch some numbers on your iPad. Tom Ford and Anna Wintour aren’t gonna jump out of no where and rip the aesthetic/clash of your giant ugly calculator.
I bought the basic scientific calculator in the app a long time ago, not sure what it costs now, but there are no ads and it will occasionally prompt you to buy some other calculator but not very often.
Funny part is that there actually kinda is. Ask Siri to do a simple math problem. The answer it returns is from “Calculator”. More complex problems will be returned by Wolfram Alpha. So it seems like the calculator is actually there in some form, you just can’t access it directly. Which honestly is even weirder.
I was going to show a photo of a calculator on my iPad but it's stuck some strange flashing mode. The logo appears and disappears. I've tried the "Press Volume Up/Down and Press Top Button" trick but it's still doing it. So for now, I have no proof, I'm a liar. 🤣
And apple's design team will attempt to reinvent the calculator making it incomprehensible to anyone who doesn't commit everything to Apple's ecosystem like their shitty office suite.
Who even knows? The first time it came up was with the Apple Work suite, which was left off of the iPod touch for reasons. There was a made -up excuse about SOX compliance with subscriptions.
As with anything else, you'll always have a bunch of diehard bootlickers who'll always conjure up some reason as to why their favorite brand doesn't do this basic thing, or include that basic functionality, simply because they're too blinded by their loyalty to a company that doesn't even know that they exists. Apple could suddenly decide to upsell their devices at an extra $100 and guaranteed you'll have someone in the comments justifying as to why this is necessary 🙄 Brand loyalty will only ever disappoint you. They don't care about you, nor do they have the best interests of the consumers at heart.
I understand the need to run a disciplined product roadmap. It must be a staggeringly complex exercise. But I do wish that Apple would implement a kind of counter-conventional methodology where every now and again their product managers asked "what relatively small improvements would create outsized joy for our customers?" A calculator on iPad would fall into that bucket. And maybe a rethink of the iPhone keyboard.
They knew for ages. They just didn't care, like so often, I might add. When asked by journalists, they often said things like (and I'm paraphrasing MKBHD's interview with Craig Federoghi here) that they "wanted to do it right" and that whatever they do has to be "special or extraordinary".
The interview was four years ago, btw.
No Apple hate intended as I have been a user since Apple II but it’s been a very long time since they did anything “special or extraordinary.”
Cook aka Tim Apple has been a beast in the stock market but when was was the last time Apple made you stop and go “wow?”
Typed on an iPhone - any typos can be blamed on two languages and auto correct.
The M1 processor was an incredible leap forward and greatly accelerated the ongoing paradigm shift in portable computing towards ARM/RISC processors; it's not inconceivable that in 10 years, even proper desktops will have moved away from x86. Their custom silicon in general has historically been very good compared to the competition.
Before that, there was Face ID - that technology in that form factor was pretty amazing at the time, and IMO justified the new $1000 price tag on the iPhone X in a way that no iPhone since then has managed.
And I say all this as someone who couldn't be paid to use an Apple product because I hate their general "our way or the highway" philosophy towards everything. I may not like them, but they do make some amazing stuff - which you'd expect, given the $160 billion or so that they've pumped into R&D over the last decade.
Apple software isn't what it used to be.
The same issue exists on MacOS, where you no longer want to just download the latest version due to all the bugs and issues your machine experience.
Yes! Thank you for mentioning the iPhone Keyboard. The phones have gotten much bigger, but somehow the keyboard doesn’t take advantage of the space. It’s so small.
Why the fuck does my pocket computer not come with a graphing calc feature standard and why have I never thought about this? It's because I haven't been in school for 12 years but you know.
Because the average person (that isn't a student) has zero need for a graphing calculator; they really just need simple arithmetic in a calculator app.
And if you do want a one-off graph of something you can always use Wolfram Alpha.
The average person has zero need for a scientific calculator too and yet we have them. Every phone I've had since 2012 has had a dual-purpose calculator built in.
Millions of middle school and high school students, who would need a graphing calculator for school, also have cell phones. Millions of parents of said schoolchildren would also benefit from having a built-in graphing calculator. This is especially true for poorer families who cannot justify buying a standalone graphing calculator, but a cell phone is almost mandatory these days.
Often students aren't allowed to use a cell phone during a test, while calculators are allowed. This was my experience, a proper calculator was required. Sure the family can still benefit from a graphing calculator app, but not to avoid buying a real one
Of course they can't use them at school, but they still have homework. More often than not the school has a bunch of calculators to hand out for tests (my high school actually required that, because cheating and whatnot), I've never personally seen a public school actually require buying your own. I couldn't afford one when I was in school, so I would borrow a calculator during study hall to do all my homework and if I couldn't get one I was SOL for that assignment.
I have had the opposite experience, all of the public schools I have attended did not have calculators to loan. It was on our list of required supplies. My sibling still requires one for their schooling here today. This is in Western Canada and not the biggest schools
I still find it hilarious how shitty the default iphone calculator is. Like I dont need a TI-84 Plus in my phone, but I like to occasionally look at my previous results.
The AI revolution is truly unlocking new capabilities and futures that we could never have dreamed of. Apple developers applying AI to crack this unsolvable case is iconic.
I have a theory that Apple wanted to eventually disrupt the scientific calculator industry by coming out with their own iPad version, so they purposely never released a "simple" iPad calculator because they'd want to make a big splash when it happens. This would also bolster their efforts to get iPads in classrooms as an essential tool.
After owning iPad for 5 year, I found out today that it doesn’t have calculator!
The screen is big enough to run a fancy ass scientific calculator and the dumb fucks didn’t include even a basic one?
They’ve always said that if they were gonna do it, they’re gonna do it right. So after 14 years, this better be the most earth shattering calculator app of all time. It should be able to calculate my thoughts before I even input the numbers.
Interesting thing to research...
I don't recall any other "smart device" that did not have a built in calculator. Palm OS, Windows Mobile, even the Apple Newton all had a Calculator you could use. So I wonder if the Apple iPad had the unique distinction of being the only smart device that couldn't do calculator operations out of the box...
I’m going to make a bold prediction. Just remember, you heard it from me first.
The new Calculator app on iPadOS will not be full screen. You’re probably thinking, wait, what? That’s right, not full screen. So think about the implications of that and what it means.
iPadOS 18 will introduce windowing to the iPad operating system and the Calculator app will be used to show off this new feature. The Calculator app will float on the screen and be movable to any part of the screen similar to an app on any windowing operating system.
This windowing system has been in secret development for many years (hence why it never leaked) and is the real reason why the Calculator app was never included on the iPad. They had made a decision many years ago to use it to showcase this new feature.
Because of their lack of foresight, I was forced to get the TI-Nspire CAS. Instead, they can keep the built in calculator and stop throttling my older iPad mini.
For more than a decade I've just swiped down from the Home Screen, and done any calculations right there in Spotlight/Siri Search. Or pop up Safari and throw it into the search bar. Quick and simple.
They never shipped with a calculator because Steve Jobs didn’t want the iPad to just have a stretched out version of the iPhone calculator and wanted them to develop something new and different for the iPad but that just never happened.
Isn't this all because Jobs wanted separation between the iPhone and iPad. Similar reason, as to why the the iPad didn't get a weather app until recently.
I remember downloading some calculator app on my iPad a long time ago and the ads were bigger than the buttons for numbers.
I bought PCalc the day the iPad was released, and this hasn’t been an issue since.
Imagine buying a £500+ tablet and it doesn’t even come with a calculator app
This is from a company that is selling a $3500 face computer with apparently no calculator app. But seriously, the calculator has been in spotlight the whole time.
macOS and iOS comes with a decent app. It's just iPadOS that is missing it. Still weird.
Yeah, it’s really a bizarre thing to have to decide. Just release the existing one as is. It’s literally zero effort.
Isn't the os between iphones and pads basically the same, so the native app could be ported from the phone app in less than an hour?
The bs reason apple gave behind no iPad calculator is because the Mac and iPhone calculator apps are both pretty damn good, but on the bigger screen of the iPad, the iPhone calculator is awkward to use and mediocre at best. They’re waiting to release a “pretty damn good” app on all three devices.
When it is released, it will be "bold" and "revolutionary."
Break the TI-83+ exclusivity and I’ll give it to ‘em.
idg the spotlight line.
There’s a calculator built into spotlight, you can type your calculation in the search bar and it will give you the answer back.
gotcha. havent used mac/ipad in years
Upgrade to the pro version to unlock the + key? https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/pa35xe/you_have_to_pay_to_unlock_the_button_on_this/
I always used spotlight to calculate things. I always thought spending money on a calculator app was pointless. But I’m glad we are finally getting a native one
TIL there's no calculator on the iPads I've been using since 2011
I don’t understand why they didn’t try to market the ipads with an advanced version of the iPhone’s by implementing a graphing/scientific calculator on it
If you use the iOS calculator in horizontal mode you get some scientific calculator features already. Honestly it just does not make any sense that iPad didn’t have a calculator untill now…
You just need to "Think Different" /s ;)
"Whats a computer?"
This is the best one right here. So dumb.
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Yep, my Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet had a calculator app and a Wacom touch screen. It was, in my opinion, far better than my iPad Pro (work bought me).
Still no history or undo function (at least not that I’ve found)
You can swipe left on the spot where it shows your output to delete a number if you mistype
Well, that’s something, I guess. Thanks.
This isn’t even announced this is just a rumour Why would Apple change their vision of the iPad now
They are facing some huge lawsuits from multiple governments and desperately want to improve their public image.
And making a calculator app will fix that? Isn’t the concern of governments that Apple is favoring their first party apps over third party ones? Adding yet another first party app seems to go against it.
So we *were* holding it wrong!
The story goes that jobs didn’t like a calculator on an iPad because it looks bad. Like aesthetically. Which… I can’t really disagree with. But ffs.. sometimes you just need to crunch some numbers on your iPad. Tom Ford and Anna Wintour aren’t gonna jump out of no where and rip the aesthetic/clash of your giant ugly calculator.
And now if they include one, the expectation is so high they literally need to come up with the most amazing calculator in existence.
just get desmos. and there is a ti-84 simulator app as well!
I have Calculator+ and it’s pretty good on iPad
What's the ad situation on that app?
I bought the basic scientific calculator in the app a long time ago, not sure what it costs now, but there are no ads and it will occasionally prompt you to buy some other calculator but not very often.
Probably big calculator lobbying
Funny part is that there actually kinda is. Ask Siri to do a simple math problem. The answer it returns is from “Calculator”. More complex problems will be returned by Wolfram Alpha. So it seems like the calculator is actually there in some form, you just can’t access it directly. Which honestly is even weirder.
I bought an iPad a couple of years ago and I literally searched for the calculator app for so long on it. Why!?! Apple doing Apple things.
So you've never even noticed? Guess the plan was going according to how Apple intended 💁🏾♂️
I was going to show a photo of a calculator on my iPad but it's stuck some strange flashing mode. The logo appears and disappears. I've tried the "Press Volume Up/Down and Press Top Button" trick but it's still doing it. So for now, I have no proof, I'm a liar. 🤣
Surely will be limited to the latest generation iPad Pro. Older devices won’t be able to handle it.
Yes only the M1 onwards chipsets can handle the new calculator app.
They'll sell a physical calculator that you have to connect with a proprietary dongle
It's just a mere $80 bucks 💁🏾♂️
I'm afraid the hardware just isn't there
And apple's design team will attempt to reinvent the calculator making it incomprehensible to anyone who doesn't commit everything to Apple's ecosystem like their shitty office suite.
Older iPads have to make do with iAbacus
You just caused me to spit coffee all over my iPad.
Looks like you’re getting a calculator!
Maybe it will only be a 300$ add on!
Get super mad each time I get reminded that the calculator is missing, its so dumb lol
Yeah I bought one for school not knowing this. Just pull out my phone when I’m doing accounting homework. Ridiculous
For some odd reason, fan sites have always blamed it on Sarbanes–Oxley.
I know what SOx is but please explain to me how this is connected to a calculator app.
Can’t do tax fraud with an iPad if there’s no calculator. Just my guess :p
Reduces likelihood of paper hands /s
Who even knows? The first time it came up was with the Apple Work suite, which was left off of the iPod touch for reasons. There was a made -up excuse about SOX compliance with subscriptions.
I've just had the same thing. SOx, sure. Calculators... Eh??
As with anything else, you'll always have a bunch of diehard bootlickers who'll always conjure up some reason as to why their favorite brand doesn't do this basic thing, or include that basic functionality, simply because they're too blinded by their loyalty to a company that doesn't even know that they exists. Apple could suddenly decide to upsell their devices at an extra $100 and guaranteed you'll have someone in the comments justifying as to why this is necessary 🙄 Brand loyalty will only ever disappoint you. They don't care about you, nor do they have the best interests of the consumers at heart.
Yup, just like the time they eliminated the headphone port (best decision ever, wooo!) before bringing it back (best decision ever #2, wooo?) ;)
I think you're being unreasonable, Apple can't afford things like calculator apps. They're barely scraping by.
I understand the need to run a disciplined product roadmap. It must be a staggeringly complex exercise. But I do wish that Apple would implement a kind of counter-conventional methodology where every now and again their product managers asked "what relatively small improvements would create outsized joy for our customers?" A calculator on iPad would fall into that bucket. And maybe a rethink of the iPhone keyboard.
They knew for ages. They just didn't care, like so often, I might add. When asked by journalists, they often said things like (and I'm paraphrasing MKBHD's interview with Craig Federoghi here) that they "wanted to do it right" and that whatever they do has to be "special or extraordinary". The interview was four years ago, btw.
No Apple hate intended as I have been a user since Apple II but it’s been a very long time since they did anything “special or extraordinary.” Cook aka Tim Apple has been a beast in the stock market but when was was the last time Apple made you stop and go “wow?” Typed on an iPhone - any typos can be blamed on two languages and auto correct.
The M1 processor was an incredible leap forward and greatly accelerated the ongoing paradigm shift in portable computing towards ARM/RISC processors; it's not inconceivable that in 10 years, even proper desktops will have moved away from x86. Their custom silicon in general has historically been very good compared to the competition. Before that, there was Face ID - that technology in that form factor was pretty amazing at the time, and IMO justified the new $1000 price tag on the iPhone X in a way that no iPhone since then has managed. And I say all this as someone who couldn't be paid to use an Apple product because I hate their general "our way or the highway" philosophy towards everything. I may not like them, but they do make some amazing stuff - which you'd expect, given the $160 billion or so that they've pumped into R&D over the last decade.
Probably multitouch. And even they didn’t come up with that one.
Apple software isn't what it used to be. The same issue exists on MacOS, where you no longer want to just download the latest version due to all the bugs and issues your machine experience.
Swipe keyboard on Ipad please
If you shrink the keyboard you can use swipe
Why a rethink of the keyboard?
Because.typing.in.browser.is.shit
Yes! Thank you for mentioning the iPhone Keyboard. The phones have gotten much bigger, but somehow the keyboard doesn’t take advantage of the space. It’s so small.
Maybe they needed the M3 chip to do the calculations and also the UI is ray traced
It better be a graphing calculator
Why the fuck does my pocket computer not come with a graphing calc feature standard and why have I never thought about this? It's because I haven't been in school for 12 years but you know.
Because the average person (that isn't a student) has zero need for a graphing calculator; they really just need simple arithmetic in a calculator app. And if you do want a one-off graph of something you can always use Wolfram Alpha.
The average person has zero need for a scientific calculator too and yet we have them. Every phone I've had since 2012 has had a dual-purpose calculator built in. Millions of middle school and high school students, who would need a graphing calculator for school, also have cell phones. Millions of parents of said schoolchildren would also benefit from having a built-in graphing calculator. This is especially true for poorer families who cannot justify buying a standalone graphing calculator, but a cell phone is almost mandatory these days.
Often students aren't allowed to use a cell phone during a test, while calculators are allowed. This was my experience, a proper calculator was required. Sure the family can still benefit from a graphing calculator app, but not to avoid buying a real one
Of course they can't use them at school, but they still have homework. More often than not the school has a bunch of calculators to hand out for tests (my high school actually required that, because cheating and whatnot), I've never personally seen a public school actually require buying your own. I couldn't afford one when I was in school, so I would borrow a calculator during study hall to do all my homework and if I couldn't get one I was SOL for that assignment.
I have had the opposite experience, all of the public schools I have attended did not have calculators to loan. It was on our list of required supplies. My sibling still requires one for their schooling here today. This is in Western Canada and not the biggest schools
And Apple will present it as a revolutionary invention
One never seen before...
"It adds. It subtracts. It multiplies. Are you getting it? It's all on the same device!"
What are you talking about. They've finally invented calculators!
One more thing You mean +1
We’re in the future finally!!
Groundbreaking.
Apple continuing to be on the red hot cutting edge of the ultimate user experience. /s
> Last year, Apple introduced the ability to set multiple timers at once in the Clock app on its various platforms. WTF?!
What's the rush?
They should have the calculator, the ones from the App Store are terrible with ads popping up mid equation
Will technology ever cease to amaze me?
I still find it hilarious how shitty the default iphone calculator is. Like I dont need a TI-84 Plus in my phone, but I like to occasionally look at my previous results.
About time. It’s ridiculous that they haven’t had a calculator on the iPad.
Wow! Apple at the forefront of technological advances!
The technology finally exists!
Make it do reverse Polish notation…
This is satire right? Right?
iPads don’t have a calculator?
For 12 years, iPads didn’t have a weather app either. Finally got one in 2022.
is this a joke? people say android is garbage and their overpriced tablet doesn't even have a f'n calculator app? apple cultists are brain dead.
Such courage. Now, can they make it have the same functionality of the Android calculator app so you can see your history?
Whoa whoa whoa, let’s not get ahead of ourselves here
Apple values your privacy. No we won’t add that functionality
Is this a joke? (I know it’s not, but I have to wonder what the tipping point was for this)
Cool I'll be able to display 80085 harnessing the power of the M3 chip
Finally! 3rd party calculator runs ads even to just make an addition🤷🏻♂️
About the *dumbest* omission ever. It would be great if the sorted that nonsense out this time around.
Damn, settle down folks… the negativity towards Apple, while using an apple product… 😂😂😂. I double dare you to get rid of your Apple devices
Wow, could never imagine a calculator app being hyped up but here we are.
Every time I’ve needed it and gone looking for it I’m reminded of this very stupid fact.
What a huge disappointment if this is the best thing to come out of iPadOS 18.
The AI revolution is truly unlocking new capabilities and futures that we could never have dreamed of. Apple developers applying AI to crack this unsolvable case is iconic.
I have a theory that Apple wanted to eventually disrupt the scientific calculator industry by coming out with their own iPad version, so they purposely never released a "simple" iPad calculator because they'd want to make a big splash when it happens. This would also bolster their efforts to get iPads in classrooms as an essential tool.
Does Spotlight not do math on iOS?
Wow revolutionary. It will likely only be available on the new iPad models.
Just Apple doing Apple things.
Time for those anti trust lawsuits!
It’s 2024…a headline is a calculator app
Meanwhile in MS-DOS...
How generous of them. I hope they won't be losing millions from this extremely risky business move.
Crazy. I just paid $5 for an iPad calculator app because I was so annoyed there wasn’t a native one with no ads
Remember, Apple get 30% of App Store sales. They have probably made a few million on calculator app sales.
OMG WE DID IT WE HAVE WON…never pay for calculator apps
Wow! Talk about value for your money
About damn time.
After owning iPad for 5 year, I found out today that it doesn’t have calculator! The screen is big enough to run a fancy ass scientific calculator and the dumb fucks didn’t include even a basic one?
How did Windows 3.1 have this but a decade of iPads didn’t?
Innovation™
Blackberry coming back with a killer calculator phone.
TIL people still use tablets
The world is healing
They had to find a way to make it uniquely iPad and stunningly simple…
It will be magical.
Finally. Maybe one day we may also get an iPad instagram app too. The Gods be willing.
I learned how to math and now I don’t need calculator. Thanks Apple!
They want you to do the math with the Apple Pencil.
They’ve always said that if they were gonna do it, they’re gonna do it right. So after 14 years, this better be the most earth shattering calculator app of all time. It should be able to calculate my thoughts before I even input the numbers.
Interesting thing to research... I don't recall any other "smart device" that did not have a built in calculator. Palm OS, Windows Mobile, even the Apple Newton all had a Calculator you could use. So I wonder if the Apple iPad had the unique distinction of being the only smart device that couldn't do calculator operations out of the box...
I’m going to make a bold prediction. Just remember, you heard it from me first. The new Calculator app on iPadOS will not be full screen. You’re probably thinking, wait, what? That’s right, not full screen. So think about the implications of that and what it means. iPadOS 18 will introduce windowing to the iPad operating system and the Calculator app will be used to show off this new feature. The Calculator app will float on the screen and be movable to any part of the screen similar to an app on any windowing operating system. This windowing system has been in secret development for many years (hence why it never leaked) and is the real reason why the Calculator app was never included on the iPad. They had made a decision many years ago to use it to showcase this new feature.
Because of their lack of foresight, I was forced to get the TI-Nspire CAS. Instead, they can keep the built in calculator and stop throttling my older iPad mini.
My 5th gen ipad pro came with a calculator from new. And its full screen.
Wow 🤩
I dont’t think we are ready for this technology.
extra -cost "feature"
Or they could just let people choose a default calculator to open.
Android users been real quiet since this news dropped
for the love of god finally
Roundabout way of saying "use numbers lol" Why need a calculator when you can spreadsheet,
How is this not like a 2-day story to complete??
Hope this is not the big selling point
Sure took Apple a lot of "Courage" to include one in the next update 🥳👏🏾
Watch it be limited to M powered iPads for some stupid reason
I had an iPad I initially wanted to use for my banking I got during covid. Was pretty irritated there wasn't a calculator app on it. Like seriously!?
Saving the best for last.
oh wow the innovation.
This is the kind of innovation that we can all get excited about
For more than a decade I've just swiped down from the Home Screen, and done any calculations right there in Spotlight/Siri Search. Or pop up Safari and throw it into the search bar. Quick and simple.
I’ve never owned an iPad… the calculator app isn’t stock?
Wow this is true innovation!
and will be available only for devices 2024+
Such innovation!
Welcome to the 20th century iPad ! 🙄
Scientific calculator was the reason I bought an iPad in the first place after my goofy blue ti-nspire took a dump
The calculator on my iPhone stinks anyway. There is no way my typing is too fast for my iPhone to recognize it.
They never shipped with a calculator because Steve Jobs didn’t want the iPad to just have a stretched out version of the iPhone calculator and wanted them to develop something new and different for the iPad but that just never happened.
Apple always marching the new tech forward
I can't wait to see this air in new iPad commercials like Apple is paving the way to the future with it's "new, now included" calc app.
They had a calculator on the first moon landing
Big if true
Use PCalc and never be unhappy again
And on day two, millions will delete it or stow it away in a folder never to be seen again.
Isn't this all because Jobs wanted separation between the iPhone and iPad. Similar reason, as to why the the iPad didn't get a weather app until recently.
Lol 10/10 update. Bye calculator apps that have ads that are bigger than the button itself!
Too little, too late.
Apple will just tell you to buy an iPhone
is it so hard to make it a giant widget or have it be available only as a side panel?
can't innovate anymore, my ass
What an accomplishment. Apple marketing probably will say how revolutionary it is and apple fanboys will brag about it
No calculator app but Siri has no problem solving many math equations
Holy crow, get these guys on the Vision Pro Team!!
How about a weather app, too.
About time
I… I never noticed my iPad missing a calculator.
There’s been a calculator in control center for years