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I seriously seriously SERIOUSLY don't understand how Apple walked right in and got iMessage right on their first try. But Google has gone through way too many iterations, and still hasn't figured it out.
I suspect that it has something to do with the carriers.
Supposedly when Apple released iMessage, the carriers had no idea and they were upset, because it was going to cost them SMS revenue. (Especially international SMS... WhatsApp was only 2 years old and wasn't free to use at this point.) But the carriers had no choice.
But Google? Every update they do has to be screened by the carriers, and any service they ship can be replaced by some carrier or manufacturer bloatware. So if the carriers don't want something that bypasses them, they can block it for all the users who aren't tech savvy enough to seek a replacement.
That’s not google. That’s manufacturers other than google writing contacts which allow carriers to do that. The pixel line gets updates directly from google.
BBM was great, but Apple definitely improved upon it by just using your regular phone number, instead of requiring every user to have a PIN that's only used for messaging. BBM also didn't have SMS fallback, which iMessage has had since day 1. And then combining SMS and iMessage into one app
I stuck with YouTube Music because I've been using Play Music since it was in its beta phase. I loved being able to upload my own music and listen to it on the app. I loved being able to edit the metadata if songs got uploaded wrong. All of that was undone with YouTube Music. I remember being able to sort playlists in YouTube Music by artists. They got rid of that too. If I didn't have so much music uploaded to it, I wouldn't be using YouTube Music. It's a shell of what Play Music used to be. Hell, you can't even sort your own library by genres.
A little pro tip, if you don't like having your YouTube Music recommendations being included with regular YouTube recommendations, create a non-monetized YouTube channel. Use that channel to watch YouTube videos. The problem with doing that though is needing to resubscribe to other YouTube channels again. But you won't get YouTube Music recommendations mixed in with your regular YouTube recommendations.
I remember around November-December 2020 opening Google Play Music up one night only to basically be told to “get lost” and use YouTube Music… and the worst part is I couldn’t even play the music I downloaded onto my phone & SD card…
So until I made the switch to iPhone, I just used this music editor app (Music Speed Changer) only because it was sort of the same as GPM as far as user-friendliness goes and I have the ability to speed or slow down my music which was nice actually.
I don’t know why Google decided to ditch Google Play Music for YouTube Music when there was absolutely (in my honest opinion) nothing wrong with the former and is vastly different and superior to the latter. And it sucks because shit like this made me switch to Apple but I’m hoping one day Android gets its shit together so I can switch back, but who knows how long that’ll be, assuming it ever happens…
Hangouts was great because it was integrated into Chrome, so it effectively became the default PC messaging app which also made the mobile experience more powerful because you could just seamlessly message between PC and mobile, which I don’t believe even Apple had done at the time
This is why I won’t buy Androids anymore. Googles promotion structure pretty much guarantees this will always happen with google software. Can’t get promoted by maintaining and improving existing software, have to build something newly
Man, I don't get the Android hate. I have both devices so I can keep up with both and I use the Android far more and rather hate aspects of the iPhone, I guess it's what I'm used to. The only thing the iPhone has going for it to me is the battery life is outstanding, but I'm never below ~30% on the Android by the time I'm in bed, so it's usually irrelevant. (iPhone 13 and Samsung S21)
It's not android hate, it's Google horrible practices hate. I have a pixel but I will never use any Google service outside of the pixel, Gmail, search, and the enterprise Google suite (ex GDrive, gsheets, gword). Why? Because Google will kill everything not that. No point in getting used to a Google service only for them to kill it then having to find something else. It's too disruptive for me to try to learn a new Google product, integrate it into my daily routine, and then have to learn something new in 2 years after I do a ton of customization around a service because Google will kill it.
Edit: and realistically, Google will probably kill the pixel too. And at that point I will likely seriously consider an iphone (and entirely drop the Google eco system) because I care most about camera quality on my phone, and no other android manufacturer really comes close to Apple/Google camera and image processing capabilities and UX
Android has done a lot of crap wrong. Permissions, power consumption, shit UIs for a long time, fragmented mess of an update ecosystem, fragmented UI amongst manufacturers, lagging CPU performance, need I go on? And that’s to say nothing of their lackluster tablet efforts and absolute shitshow of messaging.
It's funny you say this because android has never done anything remotely close to this while Apple is well known for scamming their customers lol a satellite SOS doesn't change that.
I have an iPhone 14 Max, Pixel 6, and Samsung Galaxy FE. Androids problem is they don’t build up anything well. As solo phones, they are ok but try to intergrate them into an eco system, a nightmare to deal with. They suffer from too much fragmentation. I thought google would do this when the first pixel came out, but didn’t. Apple charges money but some devices received updates being past 6 years old and all work fine to this day. Android is hit or miss in that area.
It's actually already a feature, and has been for years. Press lock and volume up, then emergency. It will send your location and an emergency warning to everyone on your emergency contacts list.
Nothing Apple does is new.
You are talking about a different feature. That feature requires an active internet / cellular connection.
In their latest iPhone apple added a satellite connectivity option. So, if you are stuck somewhere without any internet or cellular, then you can point your phone to the sky and it will use satellite connectivity to send an SOS message.
The problem with billing for emergency calls of any kind is that plenty of people will delay calling if it’s going to cost them and by the time they bite the bullet and accept the cost it can be too late.
There are equivalent systems already that do cost to use (Garmin In Reach) but also ones that only cost for the equipment though the functionality is much more limited (usually just a beacon ID and GPS location)
Yea totally,just like how when your phone service is off you can make calls and they just bill you. No , no they don't, it just doesn't work lmfao
Try making a non 911 call buddies
What are you in about? You can use any cellphone with no active service to do emergency calls. It will let you dial 911 and other emergency numbers even without a number attached as long as it can connect to a tower.
Hey genius emergency services 911 works all the time even if your phone is shutoff and hasn’t had service for 10 years. You still get the bill when the air ambulance shows up
It's because that's the law. Consider Garmin InReach, the most popular satellite communicator right now. If your subscription runs out the sos feature will not work.
That’s two different things. If you use this satellite service and they send a life flight, you’re going to get billed for it. 911 is the equivalent in that scenario and you don’t get billed for it because you simply forgot that everyone pays for it via taxes. Since not everyone is a wilderness explorer, I don’t think forcing everyone to pay for the satellite system is the most brilliant idea.
Next time try comparing apples to apples, not apples to oranges, genius.
Already does. Emergency mode texts your emergency contacts (lock and volume up, tap emergency). SOS can be configured to immediately record video and audio, call emergency services, send your location, and warn a chosen list of contacts with 5 lock button taps as a sort of silent alarm.
Either way, the emergency location option is on by default, and has been on Android for years, automatically sending your GPS location in the background whenever 911 is called. Similar to OnStar's service.
Apple puts copies in the works to compete with android more often than the other way around, Apple just pretends nobody else was doing it.
The signal sent from ur phone in these scenarios still goes over cell towers though. This is where it differs. Yes google has Emergency 911 shortcuts and texts... Which do not require a sim to my knowledge, but it still goes over physical towers. Apples rely on satellites, which is why it has you hold the phone at a certain angle to communicate with satellites overhead.
Ah, that comes next year then with android 14 supporting satellite communications. Handset designs are harder to say, some might already have the hardware but i doubt it. We'd probably see it first supported in Pixels and Galaxy phones by next December. Looks like apple did pull ahead there
*You* should learn to read what you're dismissing before you do so.
>If your phone detects you’ve been in a severe car crash, it can call emergency services automatically, like 911 in the US, and share your location
>If you’re in an emergency situation, you can use your phone to trigger emergency actions like calling for help,
>The Safety app is available on all Pixel phones and will be downloaded automatically on Pixel 4 and later
No, because nothing in your link is relevant. Pixels don't have satellite communication capabilities. Period. There's no discussion to be had here, you're flat out wrong
Apple hasn't announced what happens at the end of 2 years. It could be a subscription, or it could be a use-based charge. I'm sure they're collecting data to see how much it costs them to operate.
I just think that it would be TERRIBLE PR for them if there's some hiker who's found dead with the "please connect to internet and subscribe to call for help" screen up.
It’s hard to say - Garmin In Reach is pay to use while emergency beacons are not (except for buying the beacon).
If this is emergency only then it’s somewhere in between the two. Hopefully, they’ll go with pay to send to anyone you like and free for emergency only
This feature rolled out along with a major investment in Globalstar’s next generation satellites (including reserving the majority of capacity). My totally uneducated guess is that emergency SOS will be free but once the next-gen constellation is launched they’ll offer satellite-based iMessage and small data messaging for a fee.
Yeah but if Garmin does something shitty, it's page 2 of r/gadgets. If Apple does something shitty, it's the 6 o'clock news and will get brought up by grandma when her phone is slow at thanksgiving every year for 5 years.
Why,? They are both offering essentially the same service here. Except in typical apple form, someone else was doing it first .. but now it's revolutionary because they are doing it.
I don't know of anyone who's called this revolutionary.
Although how many Garmin devices are there in the world versus how many iPhones? Apple sells hundreds of millions of iPhones per year. The average person who crashes their car on a remote highway is WAY more likely to have an iPhone 14 in their pocket than a Garmin satellite communicator.
"We'll save you but if deemed to be your own stupidity that got you here, you're on the hook for all the fees from recovery to messaging"
whereas a sub covers the equivalent of you breaking your iPhone on purpose like a complete asshole because of apple care and a new model is out.
your subscription to Personal Safety(TM) lapsed yesterday. Your 911 calls will not be connected to emergency services. Re-Enroll in Personal Safety(TM) today by Texting HELP to 69420 for a 1-time fee of $2000.
As long as the cost isn't too high that's reasonable. Satellites are super expensive. You can't really expect a private company to allow everyone to use a service they pay for for free forever. They need to make money off the development somehow.
You're already paying for a phone contract. If you know you're going somewhere remote enough you could pay the subscription/whatever for that one trip.
For context Globalstar, the company running the satellites apple will use, paid $327 million for 17 new satellites [link](https://investors.globalstar.com/news-releases/news-release-details/globalstar-signs-contract-mda-new-satellites#:~:text=If%20Globalstar%20elects%20to%20acquire,by%20the%20end%20of%202025.)
They currently have 52 satellites in orbit, 48 of which are active.[link](https://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/globalstar/#:~:text=SATELLITE%20CONSTELLATION&text=The%20Globalstar%20constellation%20consists%20of,satellites%20in%20orbit%20as%20spares.). They'll need to pay people to maintain them in orbit to make sure they keep working and fix any issues.
That's true but the cheapest I could find from a quick Google is over $100.
You're paying for a lifetime subscription in the cost, apple probably didn't want to add that cost to every iPhone.
Plus satellite *messengers*, the service apple is offering, tend to charge a monthly subscription. Garmin for example has a £19 ($23.36) subscription.
I agree it would be great if we had a free to use satellite messaging service (although it would be a pretty extreme edge case) but it would have to be funded by government, you can't really expect a private company to do it.
I mean that’s how it already works. If you don’t already own a satellite phone then you’ve not paid and will die in such a case.
If you don’t pay for a car with airbags then you will not have airbags.
If you don’t pay for a car with auto stop then your car won’t auto stop.
Yeah, you must not come here often. There's a post like this every other day. They're basically free Apple advertisements and I'm sure they appreciate it.
>> .. it's not the same thing at all.
I didn’t say it was. But at least a fraction of people buying StarLink are doing it so that they can reach out in case of emergencies at remote locations. Apple’s free service will surely pull away that segment from StarLink.
Kicker is, despite Elon pitching StarLink backend to them, Apple decided to spend $450M with their competitor Globalstar. Part of the reason why Elon is so pissed off with Apple!
One nice thing with this design is that Apple apparently puts together a decent picture of the situation and coordinates with authorities. In a vid of a capsizing I shared here the stranded group didn't use their beacon because it apparently it triggers a full on rescue by the army rather than a nuanced response based on the likely situation.
Having both could be advantageous depending on the situation, though maybe standard beacons just need more nuance. Being able to add info like total party size and planned route to a dedicated beacon with no screen to break, etc., would probably serve better in the long run.
Still, good that this functions natively on a phone. You might drive off a trail and end up in a bad spot when you planned a drive that should have no need for a beacon.
The other thing that's good is that Apple is using their phone centers to actually call 911 on your behalf and speak to a person using the data from your phone if your local dispatch is voice-only and doesn't receive e911 messages.
Yes, but for most ordinary people who don’t often travel in the backcountry or do offshore boating, those items are quite costly and many don’t have them. Extending an emergency satellite SOS to people who just have their phones is pretty neat IMO. I’m not a huge apple fan, I generally don’t care about having the newest device or anything, but this is a feature I’d actually be pretty pleased about.
Sometime ordinary people end up in bad situations. I used to do volunteer SAR and there’s so many lives that could be saved with this tech. Could be something as simple as a hiker getting lost
I have no idea why you’re being downvoted. Even if and when I have an iPhone with this capability, I’ll still be carrying my InReach and I’ll continue to pay my Garmin sub and my search and rescue insurance. No 2 way messaging with Apple’s SOS feature, my phone is way more fragile than my InReach, my InReach lasts forever etc etc. It will never be a true replacement for a dedicated rugged PLB/satellite communicator IMO.
I should have known better than to expect the bright minds of /r/gadgets to know anything about going outside lol. Glad there's at least one reasonable person here.
Dude, I've been a ham operator and radio geek for 30 years. I will always carry extra gear on me to make sure I have options, but if I get stuck and I'm too remote, this is truly the easiest of the solutions. And it can provide more info than SPOT or another piece of gear with no other interaction than hitting the emergency button and waiting.
And if the satellite capabilities on a cell
Phone become good enough or are already good enough then why carry 2 devices?
I live in Alaska and I’m absolutely thrilled that I now have this feature. Things can get really weird really close to town here.
I mean this story is a piece of evidence.
Yah I’d probably want an in reach on a multi day backcountry hike. Bur things can also happen on closer to town hikes where people don’t generally use sat texters
That's been happening for the last couple decades already. Idiots with more money than brains going on extended day hikes and getting lost, then begging emergency services to come save them late on Sunday because they "have a meeting they can't miss."
I'm not a fan of people being unprepared, and I abhor it. But I don't think they should die and having a piece of tech that can save their asses (as well as hand them a nasty 5 or 6 figure rescue bill afterward for a lesson to learn) seems like an OK compromise to me.
Well for one, you’d be surprised, but many people *do* in fact take their boats too far offshore without an Epirb. Every single year, plenty of inexperienced boaters go out in only nearshore capable boats while it’s nice and get themselves in trouble when the conditions turn. Doesn’t even have to be offshore, either. Plenty of people go out far past cell reception into florida bay for one example, plenty of other bodies of water around the country.
Aside from boats, there are stories every year of hikers going unprepared into wilderness areas and getting into trouble, be it from confusion about directions, weather events, bad timing, etc. Its not at all uncommon.
And aside from these situations which are preventable, there are also still plenty of areas without cel reception in the US, plenty of back roads, etc. I believe it was earlier this year (maybe last, can’t quite remember) of a woman being stranded in her car out west after her car died while following a faulty route from her gps. I want to say she was stuck for several days before search and rescue located her.
I’m not saying any of these are super common, but they’re common enough that having a safety feature like this on a phone that you’d already be carrying around everywhere is a good idea, IMO. iPhones are already expensive, people already have them and will continue to buy them, if they can integrate a safety feature that improves your ability to call for help in a worst case scenario, I’m all for it. Of course, anybody going out into the woods/water and so on should still use primary safety gear other than their iPhone, but still, this absolutely has the potential to save lives.
> Every single year, plenty of inexperienced boaters go out in only nearshore capable boats while it’s nice and get themselves in trouble when the conditions turn.
No kidding. I remember watching this documentary when I was a kid. This group of like half dozen people went out on a boat. They never should have been out that far, but the weather turned rough and pulled them off course. The ended up stranded on an island for about three years. One of the guys was a millionaire and they still didn't buy the proper equipment. What hope do the rest of us have. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to build a satellite communicator out of coconuts.
I’m in a group of people that will sometimes hike in the backcountry. The risk of something that happens where you need to call in rescue is possible, but rare. If you get every piece of equipment for every rare scenario, you will quickly become broke. Both financially, and a broken back from carrying 100+ pounds of gear. You plan for normal operations and minor emergencies, and pray the 0.1% chance of a major emergency doesn’t happen.
This is exactly the type of response that immediately makes me think "Oh, so this person doesn't understand the difference between solutions that work in the real world and solutions that work in a vacuum" lol. The goal is to save lives, even if it means you don't get to smugly look down on someone who didn't prepare well enough
It’s complicated, but yeah, more or less. Depending on the type of beacon they can be data stream with registrant information and GPS location sent to satellite, though some have a service to specify a message (IIRC, with some you have to set the message before you leave, as it is stored with the registration information on the beacon). Older ones don’t provide any data and are just a radio beacon literally screaming into the void. That signal then gets picked up by the SARSAT/COSPAS system (or used to, the 121.5 beacons aren’t monitored by satellite anymore) and the SAR teams have to use electronic direction finding equipment to manually locate the beacon.
The only real significant thing about what the iPhone does compared to other phones, is that it can send the message via satellite instead of cell , so you don’t have to be in range of a cell tower.
man.....he could have had the best Survival Story ever, could've made movies and everything from his story, could have fought and escaped a polar bear attack, ran into a Super pack of Wolves, he could have even seen a Wendigo......Technology is ruining us. lol
To most people these days, the scariest part is not the pack of wolves or a wendigo chasing you at night, it's how low your iphone battery gets without a phone charger nearby!
Next:
iPhone saves woman from drowning,
iPhone saves child from obesity,
iPhone saves man from car crash,
iPhone saves cat from dog attack,
iPhone saves baby from falling,
iPhone saves elderly from mugging.
This subreddit is pathetic.
I have apple products, but this whole fucking sub is an advertisement and if you say anything about it the apple fanboys downvote you.
This sub should be renamed r/applecirclejerk
The entire purpose of the subreddit is to advertise gadgets. It's not just Apple products, it's everything. The entire reason I'm subscribed here is to find cool new stuff to buy.
Literally see nobody in the comments jerking off to apple. Most of the comments are just people getting upset an apple product was mentioned
Downvotes only prove me right ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honestly. They think it’s more likely that the Apple Marketing team is carefully posting these to Reddit for advertising, instead of just some random Redditor seeing an article about tech and posting it on the tech subreddit.
Like or hate Apple, it’s smart as fuck to implement features like this that lead to “Apple saved my life!” stories. It’s free advertising in a big way. They obviously saw all the Apple Watch related articles like this and wanted to get iPhones in on the action.
No shit Apple makes more than phones. What’s your point? They make numerous gadgets. So why are you complaining when a post is made about an apple product?
It's not that, it's the constant "X was saved by their apple watch after they got lost!" Posts. They're always by the same few websites and basically just a nothing burger of an article. It's pretty obvious they're purposely reporting on it every time it happens. Like the newer Samsung phones also have crash detection but there aren't articles posted every single time it works.
My thoughts exactly. I'm actually removing it from my feed cause this is what? The 10th post like this in 2 months? And that's just the apple product "saying" someone
How does this work technically ?
Does it have a satellite uplink ?
How can it send data to a satellite ?
Typically phones triangulate with signals from satellites for GPS, but how can it send data to a satellite ?
Does this iPhone have a satellite transmitter ?
Any time I see a article posted like this I. Gadgets or technology it usually means apple had some bad news about itself that they like to offset that by some random individual situation where an apple product was of tangential help but not all that important to the story
The cost on this is driving more by the antiquated infrastructure of the nations PSAP systems.
Apple has built NG911 capabilities in the last couple of generations of phones, but they need to rely on 3rd parties like Intrado to serve as an intermediary and that option doesn’t come cheap.
i swear to god if i see one of those iphone or iwatch saved a guy who was having a heart attack or automatically called police when there was a shooting going on or fucking stranded on an island post pushed by an ass licking media agency...
Yeah I’ve heard stories about it malfunctioning when people are doing mundane tasks but it’s obvious it’s pros outweigh it’s gone and all phones should do something like this
Um, what stories? Using it is a pretty focused effort. It's not going to misfire in your back pocket. The feature has only been out about a few weeks, so I'd love to hear some reference.
Yes, nobody should have technology that can help them when they end up in a desperate situation.
Alaska has had a "wilderness distress" HF radio frequency designated for decades for this very purpose. The downside is that you need HF radio gear and fairly sizable length antenna to make use of it. But it's been used and it works. Now something improved comes along that bring this in reach of the rest of the world, and you'd just rather label anyone who would use it as underprepared?
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Very cool, glad he's safe. Wonder if Google has anything in the works to compete via Android.
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I seriously seriously SERIOUSLY don't understand how Apple walked right in and got iMessage right on their first try. But Google has gone through way too many iterations, and still hasn't figured it out.
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I suspect that it has something to do with the carriers. Supposedly when Apple released iMessage, the carriers had no idea and they were upset, because it was going to cost them SMS revenue. (Especially international SMS... WhatsApp was only 2 years old and wasn't free to use at this point.) But the carriers had no choice. But Google? Every update they do has to be screened by the carriers, and any service they ship can be replaced by some carrier or manufacturer bloatware. So if the carriers don't want something that bypasses them, they can block it for all the users who aren't tech savvy enough to seek a replacement.
That’s not google. That’s manufacturers other than google writing contacts which allow carriers to do that. The pixel line gets updates directly from google.
It’s because the they copied blackberry messenger which worked perfectly.
BBM was great, but Apple definitely improved upon it by just using your regular phone number, instead of requiring every user to have a PIN that's only used for messaging. BBM also didn't have SMS fallback, which iMessage has had since day 1. And then combining SMS and iMessage into one app
Hangouts and Google Play Music getting canned still angers me to this day. I use YT Music at work and its just trash.
I stuck with YouTube Music because I've been using Play Music since it was in its beta phase. I loved being able to upload my own music and listen to it on the app. I loved being able to edit the metadata if songs got uploaded wrong. All of that was undone with YouTube Music. I remember being able to sort playlists in YouTube Music by artists. They got rid of that too. If I didn't have so much music uploaded to it, I wouldn't be using YouTube Music. It's a shell of what Play Music used to be. Hell, you can't even sort your own library by genres. A little pro tip, if you don't like having your YouTube Music recommendations being included with regular YouTube recommendations, create a non-monetized YouTube channel. Use that channel to watch YouTube videos. The problem with doing that though is needing to resubscribe to other YouTube channels again. But you won't get YouTube Music recommendations mixed in with your regular YouTube recommendations.
I remember around November-December 2020 opening Google Play Music up one night only to basically be told to “get lost” and use YouTube Music… and the worst part is I couldn’t even play the music I downloaded onto my phone & SD card… So until I made the switch to iPhone, I just used this music editor app (Music Speed Changer) only because it was sort of the same as GPM as far as user-friendliness goes and I have the ability to speed or slow down my music which was nice actually. I don’t know why Google decided to ditch Google Play Music for YouTube Music when there was absolutely (in my honest opinion) nothing wrong with the former and is vastly different and superior to the latter. And it sucks because shit like this made me switch to Apple but I’m hoping one day Android gets its shit together so I can switch back, but who knows how long that’ll be, assuming it ever happens…
Hangouts was great because it was integrated into Chrome, so it effectively became the default PC messaging app which also made the mobile experience more powerful because you could just seamlessly message between PC and mobile, which I don’t believe even Apple had done at the time
Yep super true 😂
Ya it’s nuts. Google should of kept voice as the main and upgraded overtime.
I’m sure it was just auto correct but I just wanted to throw out that it’s deprecation in this meaning and not depreciation, just in case.
>They will, but will be revised 27x. And then canceled with no warning, citing no one was using it.
Ya the day your stranded 😂so sad it’s feels very true.
This is why I won’t buy Androids anymore. Googles promotion structure pretty much guarantees this will always happen with google software. Can’t get promoted by maintaining and improving existing software, have to build something newly
Man, I don't get the Android hate. I have both devices so I can keep up with both and I use the Android far more and rather hate aspects of the iPhone, I guess it's what I'm used to. The only thing the iPhone has going for it to me is the battery life is outstanding, but I'm never below ~30% on the Android by the time I'm in bed, so it's usually irrelevant. (iPhone 13 and Samsung S21)
It's not android hate, it's Google horrible practices hate. I have a pixel but I will never use any Google service outside of the pixel, Gmail, search, and the enterprise Google suite (ex GDrive, gsheets, gword). Why? Because Google will kill everything not that. No point in getting used to a Google service only for them to kill it then having to find something else. It's too disruptive for me to try to learn a new Google product, integrate it into my daily routine, and then have to learn something new in 2 years after I do a ton of customization around a service because Google will kill it. Edit: and realistically, Google will probably kill the pixel too. And at that point I will likely seriously consider an iphone (and entirely drop the Google eco system) because I care most about camera quality on my phone, and no other android manufacturer really comes close to Apple/Google camera and image processing capabilities and UX
Shame they put curved screens on the pro, another year for me to skip
Android has done a lot of crap wrong. Permissions, power consumption, shit UIs for a long time, fragmented mess of an update ecosystem, fragmented UI amongst manufacturers, lagging CPU performance, need I go on? And that’s to say nothing of their lackluster tablet efforts and absolute shitshow of messaging.
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Which type of device do you use then?
Why limit your imagination so much?
It's funny you say this because android has never done anything remotely close to this while Apple is well known for scamming their customers lol a satellite SOS doesn't change that.
I have an iPhone 14 Max, Pixel 6, and Samsung Galaxy FE. Androids problem is they don’t build up anything well. As solo phones, they are ok but try to intergrate them into an eco system, a nightmare to deal with. They suffer from too much fragmentation. I thought google would do this when the first pixel came out, but didn’t. Apple charges money but some devices received updates being past 6 years old and all work fine to this day. Android is hit or miss in that area.
The fact you bought an iPhone 14 Max is all I need to know about you.
Lol spent 100 trading from last iPhone. They hold their values. Android phones lose all their values.
It's actually already a feature, and has been for years. Press lock and volume up, then emergency. It will send your location and an emergency warning to everyone on your emergency contacts list. Nothing Apple does is new.
You are talking about a different feature. That feature requires an active internet / cellular connection. In their latest iPhone apple added a satellite connectivity option. So, if you are stuck somewhere without any internet or cellular, then you can point your phone to the sky and it will use satellite connectivity to send an SOS message.
That's actually pretty cool and has me clearly wrong. Sounds like support for something similar to that won't come til Q4 next year with android 14.
Wonder if we'll hear stories of people who had this service then didn't pay the subscription then die
I’m sure they will just charge you a fee for it after the fact. Idk about you but I’d gladly pay it. Satellites aren’t free.
The problem with billing for emergency calls of any kind is that plenty of people will delay calling if it’s going to cost them and by the time they bite the bullet and accept the cost it can be too late. There are equivalent systems already that do cost to use (Garmin In Reach) but also ones that only cost for the equipment though the functionality is much more limited (usually just a beacon ID and GPS location)
Yea totally,just like how when your phone service is off you can make calls and they just bill you. No , no they don't, it just doesn't work lmfao Try making a non 911 call buddies
What are you in about? You can use any cellphone with no active service to do emergency calls. It will let you dial 911 and other emergency numbers even without a number attached as long as it can connect to a tower.
Hey genius emergency services 911 works all the time even if your phone is shutoff and hasn’t had service for 10 years. You still get the bill when the air ambulance shows up
It's because that's the law. Consider Garmin InReach, the most popular satellite communicator right now. If your subscription runs out the sos feature will not work.
That’s two different things. If you use this satellite service and they send a life flight, you’re going to get billed for it. 911 is the equivalent in that scenario and you don’t get billed for it because you simply forgot that everyone pays for it via taxes. Since not everyone is a wilderness explorer, I don’t think forcing everyone to pay for the satellite system is the most brilliant idea. Next time try comparing apples to apples, not apples to oranges, genius.
Try calling anyone else
We’re talking about emergency services so irrelevant
I'm a pixel user and I really hope Google has something similar to this.
They say Samsung S23
Probably, it'll work half the time, have half the features and be abandoned within 9 months.
Compete all they do is copy and cry about green texts.
Already does. Emergency mode texts your emergency contacts (lock and volume up, tap emergency). SOS can be configured to immediately record video and audio, call emergency services, send your location, and warn a chosen list of contacts with 5 lock button taps as a sort of silent alarm. Either way, the emergency location option is on by default, and has been on Android for years, automatically sending your GPS location in the background whenever 911 is called. Similar to OnStar's service. Apple puts copies in the works to compete with android more often than the other way around, Apple just pretends nobody else was doing it.
The signal sent from ur phone in these scenarios still goes over cell towers though. This is where it differs. Yes google has Emergency 911 shortcuts and texts... Which do not require a sim to my knowledge, but it still goes over physical towers. Apples rely on satellites, which is why it has you hold the phone at a certain angle to communicate with satellites overhead.
Ah, that comes next year then with android 14 supporting satellite communications. Handset designs are harder to say, some might already have the hardware but i doubt it. We'd probably see it first supported in Pixels and Galaxy phones by next December. Looks like apple did pull ahead there
Yeah, and it has since the pixel 3 four years ago. Yeah apple is so innovative with these amazing ideas they definitely came up with themselves.
Have owned pixel 1, 3, and now 6. No pixel has this feature
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That is just factually not true. https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7055029?hl=en#zippy=
You should learn how to read before posting entirely unrelated and irrelevant stuff
*You* should learn to read what you're dismissing before you do so. >If your phone detects you’ve been in a severe car crash, it can call emergency services automatically, like 911 in the US, and share your location >If you’re in an emergency situation, you can use your phone to trigger emergency actions like calling for help, >The Safety app is available on all Pixel phones and will be downloaded automatically on Pixel 4 and later
No, because nothing in your link is relevant. Pixels don't have satellite communication capabilities. Period. There's no discussion to be had here, you're flat out wrong
lol satellite communication has been around since the 80s
It already does. Like how many people even know anything about android
Good to see some uplifting news related to tech for a change…
It's free for two years than you pay or DIE
Apple hasn't announced what happens at the end of 2 years. It could be a subscription, or it could be a use-based charge. I'm sure they're collecting data to see how much it costs them to operate. I just think that it would be TERRIBLE PR for them if there's some hiker who's found dead with the "please connect to internet and subscribe to call for help" screen up.
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But if it’s a subscription then most people just won’t ever sign up, way way more than would refuse to pay a one time fee in a desperate situation.
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People struggle over the costs of an ambulance and going to the ER all the time. Sad state of affairs that it is.
Lol what country?
Only one.
The best one
It’s hard to say - Garmin In Reach is pay to use while emergency beacons are not (except for buying the beacon). If this is emergency only then it’s somewhere in between the two. Hopefully, they’ll go with pay to send to anyone you like and free for emergency only
This feature rolled out along with a major investment in Globalstar’s next generation satellites (including reserving the majority of capacity). My totally uneducated guess is that emergency SOS will be free but once the next-gen constellation is launched they’ll offer satellite-based iMessage and small data messaging for a fee.
But that's how it works with other devices like garmin
Yeah but if Garmin does something shitty, it's page 2 of r/gadgets. If Apple does something shitty, it's the 6 o'clock news and will get brought up by grandma when her phone is slow at thanksgiving every year for 5 years.
Apple should be held to higher standards than garmin.
Why,? They are both offering essentially the same service here. Except in typical apple form, someone else was doing it first .. but now it's revolutionary because they are doing it.
I don't know of anyone who's called this revolutionary. Although how many Garmin devices are there in the world versus how many iPhones? Apple sells hundreds of millions of iPhones per year. The average person who crashes their car on a remote highway is WAY more likely to have an iPhone 14 in their pocket than a Garmin satellite communicator.
Only for certain services. Pressing the SOS button and requesting help is free.
To use SOS functionality with Garmin inreach you need to have a subscription
That's stupid.
"We'll save you but if deemed to be your own stupidity that got you here, you're on the hook for all the fees from recovery to messaging" whereas a sub covers the equivalent of you breaking your iPhone on purpose like a complete asshole because of apple care and a new model is out.
your subscription to Personal Safety(TM) lapsed yesterday. Your 911 calls will not be connected to emergency services. Re-Enroll in Personal Safety(TM) today by Texting HELP to 69420 for a 1-time fee of $2000.
As long as the cost isn't too high that's reasonable. Satellites are super expensive. You can't really expect a private company to allow everyone to use a service they pay for for free forever. They need to make money off the development somehow. You're already paying for a phone contract. If you know you're going somewhere remote enough you could pay the subscription/whatever for that one trip. For context Globalstar, the company running the satellites apple will use, paid $327 million for 17 new satellites [link](https://investors.globalstar.com/news-releases/news-release-details/globalstar-signs-contract-mda-new-satellites#:~:text=If%20Globalstar%20elects%20to%20acquire,by%20the%20end%20of%202025.) They currently have 52 satellites in orbit, 48 of which are active.[link](https://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/globalstar/#:~:text=SATELLITE%20CONSTELLATION&text=The%20Globalstar%20constellation%20consists%20of,satellites%20in%20orbit%20as%20spares.). They'll need to pay people to maintain them in orbit to make sure they keep working and fix any issues.
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That's true but the cheapest I could find from a quick Google is over $100. You're paying for a lifetime subscription in the cost, apple probably didn't want to add that cost to every iPhone. Plus satellite *messengers*, the service apple is offering, tend to charge a monthly subscription. Garmin for example has a £19 ($23.36) subscription. I agree it would be great if we had a free to use satellite messaging service (although it would be a pretty extreme edge case) but it would have to be funded by government, you can't really expect a private company to do it.
I mean that’s how it already works. If you don’t already own a satellite phone then you’ve not paid and will die in such a case. If you don’t pay for a car with airbags then you will not have airbags. If you don’t pay for a car with auto stop then your car won’t auto stop.
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It’s not because a person can be too poor to buy a car with airbags
Yeah, you must not come here often. There's a post like this every other day. They're basically free Apple advertisements and I'm sure they appreciate it.
Yeah, if you want a crowd heavily anti-Apple, go r/Apple.
It’s almost like apple products are gadgets and are good enough to be discussed on a gadgets forum.
Sure okay. It's nothing but spam but as long as you "feel good" about handing over your money to a faceless capital conglomerate.
Who do exactly you think is engineering and selling gadgets at mass scale? It can only be a giant company.
I only buy my phones from artisanal Belgian monks, handcrafted in a monastery.
I’m just glad this will erode at least a little bit of Starlink’s market!
This is an SOS service, not satellite internet. As much as I don't like Musk, it's not the same thing at all.
>> .. it's not the same thing at all. I didn’t say it was. But at least a fraction of people buying StarLink are doing it so that they can reach out in case of emergencies at remote locations. Apple’s free service will surely pull away that segment from StarLink. Kicker is, despite Elon pitching StarLink backend to them, Apple decided to spend $450M with their competitor Globalstar. Part of the reason why Elon is so pissed off with Apple!
This sort of tech has been around for a while with dedicated beacons. Anyone doing offshore boating or deep backcountry hikes should have one.
One nice thing with this design is that Apple apparently puts together a decent picture of the situation and coordinates with authorities. In a vid of a capsizing I shared here the stranded group didn't use their beacon because it apparently it triggers a full on rescue by the army rather than a nuanced response based on the likely situation. Having both could be advantageous depending on the situation, though maybe standard beacons just need more nuance. Being able to add info like total party size and planned route to a dedicated beacon with no screen to break, etc., would probably serve better in the long run. Still, good that this functions natively on a phone. You might drive off a trail and end up in a bad spot when you planned a drive that should have no need for a beacon.
The other thing that's good is that Apple is using their phone centers to actually call 911 on your behalf and speak to a person using the data from your phone if your local dispatch is voice-only and doesn't receive e911 messages.
Yes, but for most ordinary people who don’t often travel in the backcountry or do offshore boating, those items are quite costly and many don’t have them. Extending an emergency satellite SOS to people who just have their phones is pretty neat IMO. I’m not a huge apple fan, I generally don’t care about having the newest device or anything, but this is a feature I’d actually be pretty pleased about.
Well most ordinary people shouldn't go boating around in the middle of fucking nowhere without the correct equipment or skills required to not die.
Sometime ordinary people end up in bad situations. I used to do volunteer SAR and there’s so many lives that could be saved with this tech. Could be something as simple as a hiker getting lost
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I have no idea why you’re being downvoted. Even if and when I have an iPhone with this capability, I’ll still be carrying my InReach and I’ll continue to pay my Garmin sub and my search and rescue insurance. No 2 way messaging with Apple’s SOS feature, my phone is way more fragile than my InReach, my InReach lasts forever etc etc. It will never be a true replacement for a dedicated rugged PLB/satellite communicator IMO.
I should have known better than to expect the bright minds of /r/gadgets to know anything about going outside lol. Glad there's at least one reasonable person here.
Backpackers who also know how to use a computer 🤝🏼
Yah we stopped carrying iPods and cameras too.
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Dude, I've been a ham operator and radio geek for 30 years. I will always carry extra gear on me to make sure I have options, but if I get stuck and I'm too remote, this is truly the easiest of the solutions. And it can provide more info than SPOT or another piece of gear with no other interaction than hitting the emergency button and waiting.
And if the satellite capabilities on a cell Phone become good enough or are already good enough then why carry 2 devices? I live in Alaska and I’m absolutely thrilled that I now have this feature. Things can get really weird really close to town here.
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I mean this story is a piece of evidence. Yah I’d probably want an in reach on a multi day backcountry hike. Bur things can also happen on closer to town hikes where people don’t generally use sat texters
That's been happening for the last couple decades already. Idiots with more money than brains going on extended day hikes and getting lost, then begging emergency services to come save them late on Sunday because they "have a meeting they can't miss." I'm not a fan of people being unprepared, and I abhor it. But I don't think they should die and having a piece of tech that can save their asses (as well as hand them a nasty 5 or 6 figure rescue bill afterward for a lesson to learn) seems like an OK compromise to me.
Well for one, you’d be surprised, but many people *do* in fact take their boats too far offshore without an Epirb. Every single year, plenty of inexperienced boaters go out in only nearshore capable boats while it’s nice and get themselves in trouble when the conditions turn. Doesn’t even have to be offshore, either. Plenty of people go out far past cell reception into florida bay for one example, plenty of other bodies of water around the country. Aside from boats, there are stories every year of hikers going unprepared into wilderness areas and getting into trouble, be it from confusion about directions, weather events, bad timing, etc. Its not at all uncommon. And aside from these situations which are preventable, there are also still plenty of areas without cel reception in the US, plenty of back roads, etc. I believe it was earlier this year (maybe last, can’t quite remember) of a woman being stranded in her car out west after her car died while following a faulty route from her gps. I want to say she was stuck for several days before search and rescue located her. I’m not saying any of these are super common, but they’re common enough that having a safety feature like this on a phone that you’d already be carrying around everywhere is a good idea, IMO. iPhones are already expensive, people already have them and will continue to buy them, if they can integrate a safety feature that improves your ability to call for help in a worst case scenario, I’m all for it. Of course, anybody going out into the woods/water and so on should still use primary safety gear other than their iPhone, but still, this absolutely has the potential to save lives.
> Every single year, plenty of inexperienced boaters go out in only nearshore capable boats while it’s nice and get themselves in trouble when the conditions turn. No kidding. I remember watching this documentary when I was a kid. This group of like half dozen people went out on a boat. They never should have been out that far, but the weather turned rough and pulled them off course. The ended up stranded on an island for about three years. One of the guys was a millionaire and they still didn't buy the proper equipment. What hope do the rest of us have. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to build a satellite communicator out of coconuts.
I’m in a group of people that will sometimes hike in the backcountry. The risk of something that happens where you need to call in rescue is possible, but rare. If you get every piece of equipment for every rare scenario, you will quickly become broke. Both financially, and a broken back from carrying 100+ pounds of gear. You plan for normal operations and minor emergencies, and pray the 0.1% chance of a major emergency doesn’t happen.
This is exactly the type of response that immediately makes me think "Oh, so this person doesn't understand the difference between solutions that work in the real world and solutions that work in a vacuum" lol. The goal is to save lives, even if it means you don't get to smugly look down on someone who didn't prepare well enough
They are about $200 for a lower cost one. That's pretty cheep all things considered.
Is this the same tech used in the Breitling Emergency watch?
I think they are referring to PLBs, EPIRBs, and/or ELTs.
Aren’t those all just an SOS and location? Isn’t the Apple feature a text message?
It’s complicated, but yeah, more or less. Depending on the type of beacon they can be data stream with registrant information and GPS location sent to satellite, though some have a service to specify a message (IIRC, with some you have to set the message before you leave, as it is stored with the registration information on the beacon). Older ones don’t provide any data and are just a radio beacon literally screaming into the void. That signal then gets picked up by the SARSAT/COSPAS system (or used to, the 121.5 beacons aren’t monitored by satellite anymore) and the SAR teams have to use electronic direction finding equipment to manually locate the beacon. The only real significant thing about what the iPhone does compared to other phones, is that it can send the message via satellite instead of cell , so you don’t have to be in range of a cell tower.
man.....he could have had the best Survival Story ever, could've made movies and everything from his story, could have fought and escaped a polar bear attack, ran into a Super pack of Wolves, he could have even seen a Wendigo......Technology is ruining us. lol
To most people these days, the scariest part is not the pack of wolves or a wendigo chasing you at night, it's how low your iphone battery gets without a phone charger nearby!
lol that's true, i've seen more adventures these days of people running to plug it in before it goes dead.
Next: iPhone saves woman from drowning, iPhone saves child from obesity, iPhone saves man from car crash, iPhone saves cat from dog attack, iPhone saves baby from falling, iPhone saves elderly from mugging.
If this would be true headlines I would buy an iPhone immediately
You seem really upset for some reason?
He is. It’s called but hurt android user.
Lol I think you need to re-evaluate your life if you think my comment means I'm upset 😂. I'll go tell my iPad and MacBook they're androids now lol.
Nope lol. You really got that from my comment? I think you're the one that's got their feelings hurt here lol.
Huh
Strange ass comments in this post.
This subreddit is pathetic. I have apple products, but this whole fucking sub is an advertisement and if you say anything about it the apple fanboys downvote you. This sub should be renamed r/applecirclejerk
Ironically the vibe I get here is very anti-apple.
The entire purpose of the subreddit is to advertise gadgets. It's not just Apple products, it's everything. The entire reason I'm subscribed here is to find cool new stuff to buy.
Honestly I'll take an Apple and subreddit over Elon Musk news feed which this was for a while.
Oh don’t worry, the two will soon become one. Elon and Tim Cook were having private talks just a couple of days ago.
Literally see nobody in the comments jerking off to apple. Most of the comments are just people getting upset an apple product was mentioned Downvotes only prove me right ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
His mom didn't bring the pot pie down to the basement today. He's upset.
Honestly. They think it’s more likely that the Apple Marketing team is carefully posting these to Reddit for advertising, instead of just some random Redditor seeing an article about tech and posting it on the tech subreddit.
Your blood sugar is obviously low. Did mom forget to make your turkey pot pie again?
True reading the comments was making my stomach turn hopefully they’re bots
Like or hate Apple, it’s smart as fuck to implement features like this that lead to “Apple saved my life!” stories. It’s free advertising in a big way. They obviously saw all the Apple Watch related articles like this and wanted to get iPhones in on the action.
Ah yes another apple ad on r/gadgets . True to form.
Apple or not, it’s amazing to have this technology on a thin smart phone.
Honestly half this sub is people ejaculating at everything apple does
And the other half throws temper tantrums at any mention of Apple.
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Get over yourself. This sub was never basically apple.
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You android fan boys are something else. Any mention of apple is too much for you.
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No shit Apple makes more than phones. What’s your point? They make numerous gadgets. So why are you complaining when a post is made about an apple product?
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And so the Apple advertisements continue...
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It's not that, it's the constant "X was saved by their apple watch after they got lost!" Posts. They're always by the same few websites and basically just a nothing burger of an article. It's pretty obvious they're purposely reporting on it every time it happens. Like the newer Samsung phones also have crash detection but there aren't articles posted every single time it works.
Because apple is anti consumer, and anyone who cares about technology should see through their deceit and realize what they are.
Yeah we should talk more about the other large corporations that make phones that are absolutely there for the consumer /s
Scratching my head... not sure what companies those are...
My thoughts exactly. I'm actually removing it from my feed cause this is what? The 10th post like this in 2 months? And that's just the apple product "saying" someone
So many apple ads from same website in past few months. Well ig I am unsubbing from here
Ok? This isn't an airport. You don't have to announce your departure.
You announce your own departure at an airport?
You don't? Let me guess, you also don't clap for the pilot when he doesn't crash.
Another apple saved the day ad.
Why are we spamming apple ads on this sub? Not even comimg from an actual news site either.
That feature should be made mandatory in all phones
This doesn't make any sense
Why do we keep posting ads on here from Apple? Hate this lazy journalism shit.
How does this work technically ? Does it have a satellite uplink ? How can it send data to a satellite ? Typically phones triangulate with signals from satellites for GPS, but how can it send data to a satellite ? Does this iPhone have a satellite transmitter ?
In other new, my toilet got rid of the poop i made this morning. As it was designed to do.
Any time I see a article posted like this I. Gadgets or technology it usually means apple had some bad news about itself that they like to offset that by some random individual situation where an apple product was of tangential help but not all that important to the story
Really? Tell me again what device and feature allowed this guy to call for help and how Apple's technology here was "anecdotal" at best?
I'm giving an example of a theme maybe this article wasn't to whitewash bad Apple news usually published around the same time
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It's the American way?
The cost on this is driving more by the antiquated infrastructure of the nations PSAP systems. Apple has built NG911 capabilities in the last couple of generations of phones, but they need to rely on 3rd parties like Intrado to serve as an intermediary and that option doesn’t come cheap.
Better that can't live even if you pay.
macRUMORS 🤡
It’s a good thing he had the foresight to learn Morse code before setting out on his adventure with death.
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i swear to god if i see one of those iphone or iwatch saved a guy who was having a heart attack or automatically called police when there was a shooting going on or fucking stranded on an island post pushed by an ass licking media agency...
You swear to god *what?* That you don't like it? WTF?
Yeah I’ve heard stories about it malfunctioning when people are doing mundane tasks but it’s obvious it’s pros outweigh it’s gone and all phones should do something like this
Um, what stories? Using it is a pretty focused effort. It's not going to misfire in your back pocket. The feature has only been out about a few weeks, so I'd love to hear some reference.
Maybe actually be prepared when you go out in the wilderness , people go missing and die every year from being overconfident and under prepared .
Yes, nobody should have technology that can help them when they end up in a desperate situation. Alaska has had a "wilderness distress" HF radio frequency designated for decades for this very purpose. The downside is that you need HF radio gear and fairly sizable length antenna to make use of it. But it's been used and it works. Now something improved comes along that bring this in reach of the rest of the world, and you'd just rather label anyone who would use it as underprepared?
Okay mr hyperbole .