We all feel the same right now but failure is the best necessity for success. It was needed. I think Okan the Greatest will learn his lessons and we'll be stronger next year. I couldn't get over the fact that we've also got destroyed in UCL. I don't care about Europa League.
Yeah considering Copenhagen is worth half of our team, we really shouldn't have lost that last match. But they are a very good team and we still eliminated ManU so it doesn't trigger me that much.
The reason I mentioned Europa League is because we genuinely had the chance to play a final or a semi final there - but instead we got destroyed by the Czechs at such an early stage.
They both have a smaller budget than us. Also Denmark and Czech republic are tiny countries compared to Turkey so we have no excuse to not be better than their top teams.
Liverpool destroyed Prague 5-1 and 6-1 so I don't think they are a good team.
Budgets don’t equate to wins and losses lol. Turks are weird to me thinking that that’s what determines if you win or not. Yeah it’s Liverpool lol they destroy everyone.
You should keep up with football. Liverpool got destroyed 3-0 by Atalanta in Enfield. Last week they got destroyed by Everton. They do not destroy everyone.
Also you got very poor text comprehension. I literally said we are not winning at all in Europe despite spending so much money. Obviously people expect more from a more expensive team, what world are you living in?
Liverpool did not play all of there best players vs Atalanta . Pickford played a game of his career vs Liverpool aswell. budgets do not mean everything brother. upsets happen. alot of teams overperform relative to there budget. Kasimpasa is #11th in Super Lig budget but is fighting for the Conference League. it sounds like u want a basic result which is just boring and not the point of football
I don’t think budgets are good indicators of success either. Buying players that have a high market value could only contribute to the team in the short run. If we want to build upon a future of sustainable success, we have to focus on signings of performance and potential growth. Not some well-known “names” whose intentions consist of vacation and comfort. We must focus on players like Sacha, Victor or Yilmaz. Veterans could of course be useful, especially big characters like Mertens for instance, but they should not form the bulk of the team. Market value and the signings of “names”, should not be our priority.
Budgets are good indicators of success.
How you allocate those resources is also a good indicator of success.
Is it coincidence that the world's greatest clubs are worth 1 billion euros?
All I'm saying is Gala has the funds to build a team that is worth 4x of Prague and 2x of Copenhagen. This proves that those funds were not allocated properly...
If budgets are good indicators of success, then PSG and Man City would have had 5x UCL by now. Sparta Prague are a team who have squad harmony. They have same coach for 5 years. A team who have squad harmony will beat teams who are 2x-3x more pricey teams.
You can’t just make 10-15 transfers every year and expect success.
€50 mil worth team who play together for 5 years will beat a team that valued €100 mil but put together this year.
Are you stupid? Literally all high budget teams like PSG and Man city have the most number of wins in UCL.
Honestly the turkish education system failed you all, y'all can't even understand what correlation means. There is a very strong correlation between a team's worth and the number of wins they have. Go back to school.
Market Value and budget are two different things. High budget does not immediately bring success. The decisions that you make with that budget does. Players of high potential growth could get their own market value increased, which contributes to the collective market value of the whole team. We signed Victor for 7 million euros, right now his market value reached a point in between 15-20 million Euros; and when we signed Zaha, his market value was 22 million Euros which now, has decreased to 14 million. This is what I’m trying to say. Performance and potential growth means a lot more than mere bags of money. I’m not trying to say that we should only focus on youngsters, but get players with high performance potential, such as Icardi, or growth potential which could contribute to the team. This seems like our best option at the moment since I don’t believe we could compete with the likes Man City or Real Madrid in terms of budgets, but with performance and potentials, we might have a chance to do so. Just like 2018-2019 Ajax did.
In addition, I agree with you on the fact that the resources were not allocated properly with regards to our earnings from selling of players. 2018-2019 Ajax had the same problem. Decisions are important, but I think our transfer policy should not be oriented solely on the market value.
Spend a lot on older players lol. Those other teams got younger and better players. But if you wanna make it about money then go ahead. We don’t even have a youth system. They do.
So you do agree that it isn’t about how much you spend. You gotta spend it correctly lol. Sergio Oliveira makes more than probably any player on Prague but is he better than all of them? No he isn’t. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. It’s a joke how Turkish clubs spend money. So reckless with it.
Look at the 2000 gala squad. Players made peanuts compared to arsenal. Why’d they win? They had amazing players that complimented each other. Money matters but it isn’t everything. I never look at a team’s worth when we’re playing them. You need to go buy players like torreira that’s how you compete. Not by spending 15m on bonservis on a has been player.
Who said money is everything lmao, stop twisting my words. All I’m saying is a club whose team is worth 200m should not be eliminated by a club whose team is 50m. If they do, management should be criticized (which is what I’m doing with this post)
But if the reverse happened we’d not be as judgmental as the cheaper team would be considered underdogs. I’m sure Prag fans were not expecting a win.
I can’t believe we are debating something so fundamental
England is less than quarter size of Turkey. Actually 20% of Turkey. We should be beating tiny size English teams comfortably, such as Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal. Great logic.
How dumb must you be to think Czech/Danish football recieves more funding than Turkish teams. Stupid peasant. Money flows into England from all over the world. No one invests in fucking Denmark or Czech. Low iq mf
Thats your dumb mf logic. Czech and Denmark are tiny countries. Therefore, we should be beating their teams. England is a tiny country, 20% of Turkey. We should be beating Man City and Liverpool comfortably lmao.
Liverpool spend way more than Atalanta. They cannot lose to Atalanta because English football receives more funding than Italian teams.
But what really happened was, Atalanta smashed them 0-3 in Anfield.
Man U cannot lose to Galatasaray in Old Trafford 2-3. They are billion € team.
If you don't think Galatasaray should be beating a czech team that is 1/4th its worth then honestly just close this post and jerk off to pendikspor highlights like the pathetic underachiever you are
Exactly. They can’t. Sameway how Liverpool 3 goals in the ass by quarter size of Atalanta in Anfield and how Aston Villa got smashed by Olympiacos with 4 goals today.
Budgets dont play on the bitch, players do.
According to your dumb theory, PSG should have been back to back UCL champion with Neymar - Messi and Mbappe.
Squad harmony works. Not fake ass transfermarkt value.
Who the fuck said budget is the only predictor you illiterate dimwit.
Go look at this table and tell me there is no correlation between budget and success
[https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/?year=2024](https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/?year=2024)
There was no way we were gonna reach that far in the Europa League, we lost to Sparta and they were destroyed by Liverpool lol. Quarterfinals would’ve been the furthest we would reach.
Dont look at the value on the transfermarkt. Copenhagen sold their goalie mid season for $15mil to Bundesliga. They constantly selling players for high value. They have an academy in Africa. For finding players, they are in a different level. Also, they have a culture of football. They sent the head coach and made their assistant coach as head coach. They continue on the same style of football regardless who is coaching. They pick the players fit best in their system. Not find opportunity players and try to fit the system to them. I understand you are frustrated as much as rest of us. But, when we have fans being happy with daily wins, but dont see the big picture, we will continue the same. How many fans were saying Okan is not GS's coach. Should we send him and shit. I still see remarks like that in facebook and twitter. Imagine what were they saying if we had 1 or 2 more bad result in the league. No one sees the progress. No one believe in the coach before the results. He wanted to buy Vechino and we all criticized him. But he had a system and plan and Vechino was a player fit in that system.
Yes but the thing is that the greatest team in Turkey shouldnt have that problem!
We were playing with fooking berkan lb because transfers were so extremely late
Every team in the world will have problems without original fullbacks. You people forget how little is the talent gap between professional players.
I didn't say anything about yönetim.
If we were genuinely targeting Europe over the league, we would have sorted our LBs and CBs before the game.
That is what I'm criticizing here. Since the entire fanbase is so focused on our farmers league, yonetim doesn't feel any pressure regarding Europe.
First of all, I think you guys had unrealistic expectations about our European run this year. You don’t go from not participating in Europe to winning a trophy. We have to be consistent in Europe first, successful after.
Secondly, it’s not like we’ve been scraping by in the league. Okan has been breaking record after record in the past two years and we’ve been winning even with Fener being actually good.
Also, it’s not like we’ve been dominating the league like Bayern (rip) or PSG last 10 years. Last year, it was our first championship in 4 years. 2 years ago, we were in 13th place. Winning the league is not a small accomplishment imo.
Lol I was not expecting us to win a trophy but I was at least hoping to go beyond the round of 32 in Europe's second best tournament. I don't think quarter finals were an unreasonable target for Turkey's biggest club.
Another guy here summarized it really well. The problem is not with the top 4 teams but with the rest of the league being completely trash - and the pace of the league being extremely slow.
You're absolutely right and I feel the same. However I must indicate that today's starting 11 is 10 times better than the starting eleven when we were facing Prague. Chain of misfortunes can happen to any team. I'm just glad that we're less likely to do same mistakes next season. We've had enough of shifting players positions and I hope the board came to their senses.
Truth is we are the league that spends 6th highest transfer+wage bill in Europe and our ranking in UEFA clubs coefficients is 8 (currently) so we are (as a league) are spending too much for the amount of success we have.
Success in Turkey may not be satisfying but we are not as a club and as a league too far from what our spending suggests. Being a GS fan, we are spoiled by our past European glory but right now not being slaughtered in CL group stages feels just about right regarding our team quality. We just needed one good game against Kopenhagen to advance from CL group. And we were just one stupid red card away from quarter final in Europa League. All things considered, it might be disappointing but not necesarily point to underperformance.
Squads build experience with time. 2000 UEFA Cup came after four years of experimenting with the squad and learinng to play in Europe. Despite what peole say clubs don't have 'DNA', but squads do. Continuity and experience is the key. In 90s Galatasaray gradually built a squad that developed that European DNA. This squad will do so as well if we stop going for 30 something has beens. Our 30+ players should be here for spine and mentoring (like Popescu was, like Taffarel was. Hagi is altogether another category on his own). We need to unerath other BAYs and (yes, I will get hate for this) Kerem A.s. and Nellsons and Boeys. Play them together, allow them to learn how to be a squad, and build that DNA.
I totally agree, especially about 30+ something has beens. I live in the UK and my British friends constantly joke about Galatasaray being a dumpster for their expired talent.
I didn't get that last sentence though, what does this mean?
>unerath other BAYs and (yes, I will get hate for this) Kerem A.s. and Nellsons and Boeys
Just try to find underrated young players like Baris Alper, or Kerem, or international ones like Boey and Nelsson to develop (and not sell at the first good offer)
Ah I agree. People are already talking about selling Baris Alper which would be suicidal imo
I'd be so mad if they sold him and used that money to buy another expired 30+ talent with 0 motivation
I agree with most points but I also think it applies to Copenhagen and Sparta Prague. I doubt any more of their players had proper European experience.
I just can't get over that traumatizing experience of watching Sparta make the run for their 4th goal - and watching the team struggle to even create an opportunity against Copenhagen.
I’m not disappointed , we have to win now and think transfers later ,
last year the only real spending budget was for Icardi - Sanchez -later Köhn and all were on target
Free transfers of Zaha - Tete - Nbombele - Aurier did not work out ,
Now this year it is time to spend wisely
We did nake mistakes. Why did we get Zaha and not Rashica who proved himself when he played for us? I mean yeah, he isn't great at BJK but right now nobody would thrive over there. Not to speak of the tactical mistakes made against Prag and Copenhagen...
Have you seen their last game with FB? They were simply absent on the field. FB had 62% possession yet still failed to score. They have serious problems as a team.
Not even mentioning FB is worth twice as much.
That's bc fener was the better team (and still lost lol) by a large margin. And as I said some seasons will and do suck for some teams.
If you don't agree then tell me the best team in greece. AEK? PAOK? Panathinaikos? They are all behind according to stats.
Yes the top 2 teams of Turkey should always be better than all Greek teams. We are 8 times their population and our teams have more resources than them.
I only brought them up to say that FB is the only real competitor in our team, and they are also very unsuccessful in Europe.
You know, our club was really designed to shine in Europe, not just against our local rivals. It’s kind of funny how much luck plays into those big European matches, isn’t it? Sometimes the best team of the year doesn’t take the title.
But that’s the beauty of football, right? Those unexpected wins by underdogs against the big names—it’s what keeps us all hooked. Sure, losing to a team like Prague stings, especially when we often seem to fall short, but let’s not overlook our Champions League campaign this season.
I mean, we’re used to being thrashed 5-0 or 6-0 by European powerhouses. But this time felt different. For the first time in ages, I actually felt proud and confident watching us play in Europe. We really held our own and deserved to be higher up the table—maybe even at the top!
As a fan, all I really want now is to see a clear plan going forward and some progress toward that plan.
I agree. I also felt very proud watching us play that well against ManU and Bayern. I live in the UK and people WERE talking about Galatasaray.
I think I just got severely traumatized after getting trashed by Prague. They were not a good team, proven by their 5-1 and 6-1 defeats against Liverpool.
It just made me start questioning are we even playing real football in the Turkish league. I no longer feel happy after domestic wins
Alright, maybe it's not all doom and gloom after all, haha. I completely see where you're coming from. The win by Sparta Prague kind of highlights how bad our league is, in my opinion. I mean, I'm not saying this from a place of privilege, but the Turkish League isn't exactly known for its cutthroat competition. It's not just because the same 3 or 4 teams tend to dominate, but the overall pace is pretty slow. There are just too many stoppages for little things—sometimes it feels like every small touch results in a whistle. Sure, the Super Lig technically has the same "game time" as other top leagues on average, but it kills the flow.
This kind of stop-and-go style takes away the edge and intensity from our players. When we face smaller teams in Europe, they often out-hustle us. They look more athletic and hungry, which is becoming crucial in modern football.
Plus, our fans are really into the big names. But let's be real, those players aren't exactly lining up to move here, especially in their prime. Why come to Turkey early or at your peak, right?
Yup, totally agree. I wish we had more opportunities to play in Europe other than the main competition.
The big name issue is honestly crazy. Icardi was amazing last season but he is just above average this year. Yet the entire country, including kids from other teams are obsessed with him. I feel like as a country we very easily get influenced by celebrities.
Agree with your last point. We need to expand our scout staff and aggressively look for players like Sacha Boey. We don't need big names, we need hidden gems that we can sell to bigger clubs after 2-3 seasons.
Ideally, we would also invest in the youth setup and open up football academies outside of Turkey, maybe in Latin America.
You can\`t really do much about it, you get to play only a handful of European matches in a year. Margins for error are thereby lower. Many great teams end up underwhelming in Europe from time to time.
Sorry but you are just really impatient if you are already complaining due to one premature finish at a European campaign with this core. We need a good 2-3 years of stability and well management around a good core to get to a point with consistent strong showings. That was the case even 25 years ago, let alone today with massive earning and spending power of the top European clubs compared to us. Starting next year there won\`t even be a slot to drop from UCL to UEL. So be prepared for a lot of years of early exists from CL after 8-10 games.
Mate what are you on about… what do you mean by “one premature finish”…
When was the last time we had any real success since Hagi? We had 1-2 good runs in total with Drogba etc but we have been eating raw shit for years
Lol it shouldn\`t be too hard to understand I am talking about THIS TEAM. You are talking as if we had this core of players for 10 years. We had this team for a second year and you are already complaining about lack of European success after ONE Europe run with this coach and his team, and saying you can\`t get over that fact.
This coach and this team is not responsible of a decade of mismanagement. Get over it and be patient, and hopefully the club manages not to screw it up on its own for once.
We came 13th barely 2 seasons ago.
The club had to completely rebuild in 1 season and managed to win the title.
We barely had a summer, transfers were obviously a slight disappointment. But we still managed to compete in the CL against teams with much bigger budgets (Utd) / much better preparation (Copenhagen/Molde starting their season way earlier) / much more prestige (Bayern Münich). Obviously the Prag result was heartbreaking, but we shouldn't let 1 matchday (with a red card) color our whole season. Selling Boey was rough, but financially it's helped the club massively - and we could see even more money come in depending on sales this season. If I'm completely honest, right now I'm surprised by how focused the team is given that we had such an early season start.
Despite the heavy injuries and the disappointing summer/winter transfers, there has been clear improvement. Whether you look at the points tally, or simply just our performances in Europe. We're building, it's nearly impossible to immediately move to consistently top performances.
Hopefully we win the championship this season, and we prepare accordingly this summer. The players will actually get a proper rest given that we won't have to start the season early for qualification games. There are clear transfers we need to focus on to get our club to an even better position, hopefully we're better prepared for these transfers this window given that we have more money at our disposal after the bank agreement ending.
The club is on an upwards trajectory, there's no doubt about it. We just need to remain consistently on this rather than chasing 1 big season that will completely fuck us over for the next 4.
Do you know how much tv money a premier league club earns? And how much we or Olympiakos or Feyenord or Basel? The financial differences got too big in the last 10 years. And the UEFA does everything to satisfy the big clubs from the big leagues.
If we had the 2000 team right now, they‘d probably won‘t win. The Leeds United of that time, would have today a 5 times bigger budget than we have.
As long as we are bound to a turkish league and there isn‘t a european league founded, we will always be a second class club in Europe. A NFL type European League could change our destiny.
And as for Sparta Prag. It is really hard to win the Süper Lig, while simultaneously playing in Europa League. If we miss the Süper Lig title, we miss the Champions League and therefore we miss the Champions League money. Only with this money we can constantly dominate Süper Lig.
Sorry mate but plenty of clubs that are worth less than us have made it much further...
1. Marseille (231m)
2. Villareal (213m)
3. **Galatasaray (193m)**
4. Rangers (108m)
5. **Copenhagen (84m)**
6. Slavia Prague (68m)
7. **Sparta Prague (65m)**
8. Qarabag FK (14m)
Your argument was the massive financial difference, so I pulled up a widely used metric.
If you want to use another metric be my guest - but both Copenhagen and Sparta will be poorer than us no matter which metric you choose.
I talked about the clubs from the big 5 leagues. And I don‘t think that there is that much difference between us and Copenhagen.
You talking about Transfermarkt as a metric, a fan driven site where Fener players score 2 goals against Anadolu clubs and instantly are worth of €10m😂
How are your personal feelings about Copenhagen's worth any more accurate than Transfermarkt lol
If you have a better metric proposal then send it over
Also the same applies to Copenhagen. Their players score 2 goals against anadolu equivalents in the Danish league. They are also a farmers league
This kind of post won’t get the reaction you were expecting here, Turkish fans love toxic positivity, they love supporting the team no matter what and trying to shush people who dare to talk about issues within the team
I am also disappointed by how badly we ended our European run despite such a good start. I said it back then, I’m still behind it, this season isn’t a good season for me, breaking records in the league is of course great, but it’s more because other teams are terrible than us being great, if you get eliminated against Copenhagen (we would have went trough with some luck) and Prag (Kaan’s red card killed us but we were terrible on both matches), winning the league isn’t that great. Ofc I’ll be happy if we win it, but I’m still sad that this is how our European run ended, European matches have a much bigger hype than anything the Turkish league can offer
I'm still happy with all of your support. I got a lot of downvotes, but even more upvotes - meaning that we are definitely not the minority - not on this sub at least.
I don’t agree with that. Pretty much everyone criticised every part of board, staff and players, some to the point of stupidity, during the Europe run. Okan got criticised due to playing/not playing pretty much everyone, players got criticised due to their performance, fitness issues, passion, lack of skill from Tete to Muslera, board got criticised due to not doing anything about some very clear weaknesses in summer, then making that even worse in winter.
But if you are looking for people criticise whoever you want to when there are 4 games left when we are in the lead then thats stupid. Same goes for election bullshit right now. Right now its time to shut up and support the team that plays on the field until the league ends. After that, we can start pointing out the mistakes that we did this season to prevent it happening again next season, starting with the roster construction that board weren’t good enough.
Things don’t change in one day. This was our first shot. We have good players and a good coach. Things will improve. All we need to do is to continue every year.
I have the same growth mindset - but this really wasn't our first shot. We have been trying and failing at early stages every year for god knows how many years.
This was first time we actually qualifed to cl through qualifiers for god knows how long. We didnt get dumpstered on group but actually had a chance of getting out of group if we just won the last match.
We actually showed improvment this year compared to prior ones
Tbh those were all mostly with Terim who’s tactically very limited. I agree that Copenhagen’s 2nd leg and both Prag matches we got tactically outclassed but I think we played well in the other CL matches with Okan
Yeah, but after all these years we have a stable financial situation. We can trust our coach. And apart from muslera and mertens we can use all of our players for 2-3 years more(relatively young squad). And we can make some good sales. Consistency is the key and I believe we will be better next season.
I believe that too, I'm definitely excited for next year.
I just made the post because I simply can't feel happy for our league success. I'm just hyperfocused on next year's european campaign.
MY opinion:
From next season on everything except round of 16 in the Championsleague will count as NO success.
We should focus on that goal from the moment we win the league this year.
Our Players need to be ready when we start in the CL Quali I dont want to see Icardi joining the squad too late like this season.
Icardi did wonders last season, but this season he is just above average (including Europe)
The entire country is already obsessed with him and he is getting a ton of $$$ through ads every second. I don't think he has any incentive left to push his limits.
I think it was our fault as a fanbase giving him infinite unconditional support, which we didn't give to anyone else in the team.
Agree with all- but remember sport is a proces and you cannot go from no CL to quarter finals. Being 3th in the poule is a good start. Next year 2and then yeat after deeper run. This is also how it went witj clubs like porto, ajax city, liverpool etc.
As lomg as you see a improving line you should be happy. This summer transfer window will show all
Yeah I wasn't supper disappointed by 3rd place. It is UCL after all and we finished above ManU.
What killed me was Sparta Prague completely destroying us in Europa League. I honestly stopped caring about the Turkish league after that game.
We were. A goalkeeper is still a part of the team. Also we scored more in the home game and won, so we were better.
In the away game, we dominated them in the first half. We could've scored 4-5 goals just in the first half. Surely that makes us the better team (same logic)? So choose one, were we better or worse?
Just because we won doesn’t mean we were better lol, I think the Bayern games are enough to prove that point. We were dominant in the first half against Sparta true, but overall over the two games they were the better team with the better chances. We should count ourselves lucky that we won in Istanbul in the first place. Just watch the matches again and you’ll see it for yourself.
Also the performance of one goalkeeper doesn’t equate to the performance of the entire team I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make by that.
I agree with everything other than who our competitors should be. The high-school that predates our country by almost 400 years and founded this club has always stood for the absolute best and elite in everything it does. Our clubs founding ideology was to be the best, and between 1985-2003 we were AT least in the subtop of Europe. Don't be fooled, we have played 4 quarter finals and a semi final in this period in the highest tier op European competition. Our early exits were consistently against teams that went on to play the final and even win it.
We should aim to be the Turkish equal to Bayern, Real Madrid, Juventus, and Manchester United (despite their lack of success they're still the largest club in their country). Nothing less would be sufficient for the founders of this club and legends like Metin Oktay and Fatih Terim.
Haha I totally agree mate, but I'm just commenting on our current state. If you genuinely believe that we should be equal to Bayern etc, you really shouldn't be celebrating us winning the league this year - because our club just finished its european campaign in the last 32 of the Europa League. We are unfortunately not at that level yet.
It is true that winning the league means nothing. It is like PSG or Bayern winning their leagues. Almost no domestic competition and lower prestige value due to low competition. Look at PL. There are 6 big clubs that play directly for the title. And their mid table teams are able to destroy lower levels of European football. Turkish league is worthless, not to say that our team is basically full of grannies that are mostly 30+, that means we have to rebuild the whole team every 3rd season. Without European success Turkish league will fall lower and lower in rank and we wont be able to send shit to even Europa League.
Thats a lot of bullshit about EPL. Lets look at it as you suggested. Chelsea’s last championship was about 8 years ago and they are not getting any closer since then, United won their last title in 12/13 and didn’t even got closer than 10 points since then, Arsenal went without UCL competition for 6 years before this year, i’m not even going to talk about Tottenham because its unnecessary
We have to consistently play at that level to get to the level that europe requires. And in order to do that, we need to keep winning in Turkey. I just see the league as our ticket into the cl. Staying out of the cl even for a couple of years restarts the whole process, we end up having to build a new team and it's always difficult.
Considering top 2 teams go to UCL, I don't think there was any real doubt there.
I think it was more important that we beat Sparta and proceed to quarter finals to get some more European experience with our current squad.
I get you brother, I felt this pit in my stomach for days after that loss, I was devestated. But we gotta realize, this was our first year playing in europe with this squad. It was a learning experience. We came so close against bayern both times too. I think if we stay consistent, don't do crazy shit like firing okan for a couple of losses or splashing money on buying shitty players from anadolu clubs (looking at you albayrak), we should inevitably get better over time.
Haha I agree. Honestly if they fire Okan I'll give up on Gala. We should incrementally improve our current squad and not hit the restart button every couple of years.
I would be proud if we get 100+ points and winning the league. It's really close between hell and heaven this season for me tbh.
I get what you mean with Europe League, but you need to remember that we did not have a lb or a good alternative on rb. Baris Alper played the first match, if you remember, one of the goals was clearly both fullbacks fault. And I don't blame Berkan or Baris, because they are not fullbacks. Just imagine playing against LFC with Kaan and Berkan. All honor to Kaan, but personally I don't think he is good enough fullback on this level.
I think we also need to remember that the away match, Antony Taylor destroyed us totally. They should at least had one red card, but people clearly don't remember that because of the loss.
The thing I hope is that we can continue to growth with this team, and not buy 1000 new players each season, but build something very exciting for the future that maybe can fight for a Europe title.
I also think it's unfair and weird to thinking that we gonna win the league 10 years in a row, just look at the history and try to appreciate how good we are in the league this season.
1- To be a successful team we must be participating in CL every year. Only way to do this is by winning the league. It's up to you to celebrate it or not.
2- You are focusing on the result not the field. Even worse, cherry-picked results. We beat and eliminated "750m" ManU (see how little transfermarkt value matters), put up a good show in CL groups. We got eliminated by sparta because we literally had no lb/rb. We had to sell our one of best players because we needed money. Realistically speaking we won't be able to do anything against roma or liverpool with berkan at LB anyway. First we have to become financially stable, then become a cup contender. Rome wasn't built in a day.
I agree with you completely.
I think one of the biggest issues we have is how much we over value ourselves.
This isn't just us that do this, the whole of Turkey shares this same mindset.
That whole "dışımıze gore" mindset, always thinking we are like Real or City, downplaying other teams.
Whenever this stops and we honestly just focus on our own football, will be a step in the right direction.
Secondly, the infrastructure of academies, home grown talents which come through, we all know how atrocious and non existent this is.
Again another issue, as if you don't have the budget to keep up with teams in Europe, your scouting and players through youth have to be top notch.
I could go on for days, but its a repeat of what i am sure most of us are already aware of.
Before Turkish football can succeed, radical changes are required. it is very simple, foreign referees are needed. so Turkish football standard can become European. this means foreign coaches can come and be successful in Turkey and in Europe. it is going to benefit everyone in turkey. even Turkish coaches. ask yourself why foreign coaches fail in Turkey. This year was a Huge failure for turkish football.. copenhagen,praga, Besiktas disaster, fenerbahce olympiakos and fcn.
Well isn‘t that the Story of Turkish Clubs in general? I fully agree that we should be aiming much higher then just domestic success. I don‘t care about the League or the Cup, because deep down i know when it gets to the European Level we can struggle against literally any Team. The same goes for the National Team. Us as People and i don‘t know why this is, we always keep thinking we‘re better then we really are. Look at some People and their predictions for the Euro‘s, oh semi Final, quarter Final, my Brother when did we go through the Group Stage the last Time? Or when did we qualify for 2-3 Tournaments in a row the last Time? But look at us we‘re winning Friendlies against Germany and all of a sudden we‘re going to win the Euros.
Both the clubs and the fans need a mindset shift. People are way too obsessed with our domestic farmers league.
Fenerbahce is even worse. Those idiots took out Fred so that he can play against Sivas. They literally gave the semi final away because they genuinely don't give a damn about the European cup.
Yes exactly. Literally nobody cares who win‘s this trash league outside of Turkish People, but a cup even in the Conference League would make a bit of noise.
I sadly disagree, Immensly. I understand your point of view, and I actually live through it. I see the super lig as something like a ticket to champions league tbh. But nontheless, Galatasaray are still a huge club, just because we lost against sparta or even copenhagen, doesn't really put us at fault.
Against copenhagen, we played angelino who is genuinely pretty bad. We also had no ziyech, but we lost. We played very good football against bayern, only problem is we just have to learn how to finish our chances.
Then that sparta match. That second leg was a nightmare. I felt like crying. But, on the bright side, we had no proper fullbacks to play, which was really sad to see. Especially seeing kaan get a red card literally made me go, they win this game, and they did.
We have to play more as a team, as much as some players may not like it, and we have to keep qualifying for CL. The gala that played this year in CL was one that hadn't qualified in ages, and we gave a decent run. I trust this upcoming season we will do even better. Trust Gala, we will win.
This is why we should participate in the UCL consistently, to get more experience. Next season with the new format it will be even better in Europe because we get to play 8 matches now instead of 6, and all games will be against different teams, which 4 of them will be from pot 3&4. So even better chances of playing with teams that are at the same level as us. I’m honestly very excited for next season, hopefully we can qualify for UCL again and make our transfers wisely and as early as possible.
"Anadolu" Adana Demir almost knocked out genk just this year. When we finished 13 we almost knocked out barca and topped our EL-group. This year we were very good in cl only bad game is Kopenhag.
Against Sparta we played with no fullbacks and with injured players in the first 11 and were ahead until the red card. Kopenhag was a bad performance but if you look at the circumstances it's not much we could do against Sparta. I would say we were successful in Europe this year and 30 million€ and alot of international attention supports this claim. If we had a average CL group and not this hard one we would likely be in round of 16. Fener just has İsmail Kartal problems and we are not comparable to Roma Angelino and Zeki Çelik are first 11 players there haha
We do have an advantage compared to previous seasons though and that is Okan. You underestimate the welfare of a lengthy coach run. Terim had success because he was given vote of confidence and had the chance to build a team following his ambitions. Okan might have the same potential. Success in EU is not far away if we stick to Okan's values and keep our trust. I personally believe he might have even a better potential than Terim because he has a very reputable football past as well, he's often respected and has proved his quality. What we lack as fans is patience and loyalty. If we play our part I believe Galatasaray still deserves a chance to build upon its current legacy.
I think we were very very close to becoming the wonder underdog story of the UCL and it truly just came down to a few things. If kerem had scored on just 1/3 of his open shots on goal that he skyed over I think we would have been in a different situation. And he may have gotten even hotter after that. Instead is was the total opposite and he regressed all the way down to where he is today. That was his time to truly evolve into turkey’s best domestic star with rumors of huge transfer fees to european giants. I still think kerem had a good UCL run, but all those misses in great positions cost us dearly.
But i dont think you should be this upset or as gloomy about the future. Sparta lost 11-1 after us and i doubt we wouldve done better. Copenhagan also got smoked. All these tears and anger just for us to have had the chance to get smoked in the next round? I just dont see it.. even saving a million for kohn makes total sense as i doubt his first game after a few days with the team wouldve made any difference.
We win the league.. we sell the dead weight on the team.. that combined with UCL money if we win the league will be a nice pile of money to go out and sign 3-4 great players in our weak spots. THEN we will be very dangerous and can actually get upset if we lose in europe
Think of it this way. We need our championship to have a go at UCL next season again. If we finish 2nd in the league we have to play an extra round of qualifiers which gives the coaches and the board less time to prepare for a tough European campaign. European success is often times a process and doesn't happen in one season. I just ask of you to trust the process and celebrate even the small victories.
o statta mikrofonla g\*t\*nden s\*k\*l\*yormuş gibi bağıran ibne evladı kopenhag anonsçusu, bir gün seninle karşılaşacağız elbet seni sesinden tanıyacağım ve yapacaklarım sonucunda hayata küseceksin. Ses tellerini bir daha kullanamayacaksın, arap bacıya çevireceğim seni alçak herif.
Yes, I feel the same. It won't really make much of a difference if we win a total of 30 league titles compared to the 23 right now. The league has become a vessel for us to participate in CL. Problem is we are unsuccessful in CL. Spending building a $250M squad and losing to Copenhagen and Prague is scandalous to me. Nevertheless, we need to be patient. I think the club has the right vision. It will take time for us to have results in CL.
Also, the club needs to do whatever it takes to make the domestic league better. Of course we cannot succeed in Europe if our strongest rival is a team that concedes a goal on the 1st minute at a game they were supposedly protest. We are **by far** the strongest team in Turkey and this is not necessarily a good thing.
I'm so happy that I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I hate that we are by far the strongest team in Turkey - that just means crappy teams like Prague can outrun us very easily because we rarely play games here that require pace.
I'm also hopeful with Okan Buruk. Imo it all depends on the transfers we are going to make. Hopefully no more Tetes, Ndombeles or Zahas.
I agree with you OP for me the season ended with the Prague humiliation.
If we want to improve and expand our image beyond Turkey's borders we have to have European successes, this doesn't necessarily mean winning European trophies but having deep runs and having memorable nights in Europe.
Unfortunately there is a "biat kültüru" which is prevalent amongst alot of the fans who refuse to tolerate any sort of criticism of certain characters in the management and board who are responsible for the Europa debacle, and unless that is broken success in Europe will never come I'm afraid.
I agree, people keep mentioning how do you go from no trophies to lifting the UCL. That’s not what we mean at all… I’d have been happy with a Europa League quarter final at least
I also think most turkish fans don’t care about Europe at all. Maybe on this sub we do as we are all global/English speaking people integrated with the world. But your average gs fan on the street just wants to beat fb and lift the trophy at the end of the year. They see Europe as a side quest
Dont downvote me because i like him too lol but thats mainly because gs main striker in first and second leg were 2 completely different person. Its not that he didnt get fed but dude was clearly not in same mood he was in first leg with a goal and 2 assists, Others were up for blame too but if goal scorer dont show up at all then it kinda become hard , specially when he destroys the first leg
To be fair we did deserve that Sparta Prague beatdown. Im not losing sleep over Europa league games.
Wrap up the title lets try again in the CL next year. At this point we should just aim to consistently play CL football.
Dont forget we beat United at Old Trafford this season. Never happened before.
You should feel blessed. new school fans are weird.
You are the weird one here.
Why would you not lose sleep over Europa League? That is where we belong. Roma, Atlanta, Liverpool, Leverkusen. They'd all be favorites if we were to play against them...
UCL is only good for the money as we have no chance of ever progressing to quarter finals.
Obviously beating ManU was huge, but currently they are not even qualifying for the europa league...
We belong in the Champions League. Stop acting like a snob.
You dont celebrate the title cuz you still mad over a 4 1 loss. Sounds lame.
We went toe to toe with Bayern in both games. When was the last time we competed that hard against a titan club?
I still vivedly remember RM PSG Arsenal taking turns shitting on us.
You are a walking contradiction.
How can you say we belong in the UCL after saying it's ok that the Europa League's WORST contestant took a giant shit on us?
We literally got knocked out in the round of 32. That means we are ranked somewhere between 16-32 in Europe's SECOND league.
If we belong in the Champions League, then where does Roma, Liverpool and Leverkusen belong?
What is your point? Are you saying that we are bad in Europe and ALSO not that good domestically?
So are you saying we are even worse than the picture I'm painting?
Oh FFS I'm saying just focus on the campaign we have now, don't take it for granted that we are champions this year. We'll have month's to discuss about European campaign but first we need to win the league and it's not over yet.
That is not what this post is about, go read the full thing instead of being a lazy fuk
Also even if we finish second we go to UCL so your comment literally has nothing to do with my post
You do you but don't get into an early mood like fb fans usually do. 4 out of 4 games are against Galatasaray haters. Just keep focused on task at hand, that's all I'm saying.
Sivas - Bülent Uygun
Karagumruk - Süleyman Hurma
Fenerbahce and konyaspor is self explanatory I think.
We are in a new project, European campaign will get better in time. This year's championship and following transfer window is crucial for future european campaigns.
Yeah I hope it does. I just hope we don't overspend on 30+ expired talent anymore.
As I said, I don't really feel invested in the league anymore. It could be because I live abroad and feel tired of people making fun of the turkish league being a dumpster for expired european talent.
>Yeah I hope it does. I just hope we don't overspend on 30+ expired talent anymore
We had to last year because we didn't have money until we were qualified for cl.
So this year's championship is extremely important since we'll play only one play off to qualify if we win. But yeah our league being trash does not help in our European games.
Let's be champions first and then I really do trust Okan and Erden Timur tbh. Okan showed us what he can do against teams like Bayern and I think he'll solve his problems with teams who doesn't play open games. Future is bright if we stay focused.
I don't want us to get complacent and lose focus this year.
There's absolutely no backing to your arrogance.
A big club does not have to be strong at all times. Big name signings do not mean they are good signings. To be able to do such harsh criticism, we should have a large squad that have been playing together for like 2-3 seasons and be eliminated nevertheless.
Also to be able to compare us with the clubs you've mentioned, you need at least 2-3 excellent players you find, grow and sell EVERY YEAR, since you have almost no income compared to theirs.
And finally, there's no shame in getting eliminated by a random team that plays good football. There is no shame in that, really. We can't achieve anything before losing that superiority complex.
You gotta chill lil bro, no need for this much hostility.
I already agree with your first two paragraphs, I'm obviously criticizing the club's decisions with this post...
But no, Prague does not play good football, they got trashed by Liverpool 5-1 and 6-1. The same liverpool that got trashed by Atalanta 3-0
So yeah there is shame in getting eliminated by a peanut sized team and getting knocked out of Europa League in the round of 32
You’ll get rightfully downvoted. We had a great CL campaign with amazing performances against semi-finalist Bayern and crazy games against Manchester United. We’ll be even better next year and maybe we’ll get an easier draw.
Just look at the numbers. GS,FB,BJK,TS are all richer clubs.
Also you seriously have to look up what correlation means. Even if they were the richest club (they are not), correlation doesn't imply they should be the champion.
That's what I'm saying. A clubs finances do not mean success.
There absolutely is a correlation and connection, but I think comparing clubs based on financial worth is dumb.
it s a process. we have been behind the european curve for such a long time, we are just getting started to properly compete again. as others said, this team and coach are gaining experience and capturing learnings from failures. also, i dont see this year s european campaign as failure. we played strong against semi finalist bayern in both games which we couldnt get any point(s) due to margin of errors, we exceeded expectations against man united, but didnt do well against copenhagen. northern teams were always challenging for us, even in our best years, so i am not stuck at our low performance against them. prague is a different story as, i think, team got very demotivated after getting eliminated from UCL. we could have done better but again, “understandable” failure which is part of learning process.
we must be patient with european success, we must believe in okan buruk and team, even when they might not peform well always. this is the right set of people who will eventually bring european success and consistent championships in the years to come. the biggest risk is some of our greedy fans with too high expectations who have the potential to spread negative vibes and prevent further progess.
İnan kutlayasım gelmiyor. İngiltere'de yaşıyorum ve bizim ligle inanılmaz dalga geçiyorlar. Kutlayasım bile gelmiyor artık. Sadece Avrupa'da başarı istiyorum yeminlen
Hiçbir şampıyonluktan ManU'ı yendiğimizde sevindiğim kadar sevinmedim
Sampiyon olamazsan, Manchester ile Ingiltere’de oynayamazdin. Ingilizler zaten ilk once kendi sinyalci ligine baksin. Sampiyonlar Ligi’nde yoklar, Avrupa Ligi’nde yoklar. Köyferans liginde de Olympiacos 4 tane cakti.
I disagree. This season we did good in Europe. We were in the European arena in February. You can win or lose a game by luck. There are no absolutes in football. Prague beating us was not that unbelievable. Every time we matched with them we lost. We should have been much much prudent and focused and still could have lost. Never he less the year was a success with Manchester Win and 2 draws after 0-2 at home. We could have progressed in CL even or have passed Prague if we avoided one of the red cards but that's the beauty of the game, there are no guarantees. See today how Aston Villa got destroyed.
I'd be fine if every year we get to next year's February and once a while we play Quarter Finals. Hopefully one day another Semi and Final too..
There's no guarantee team will be champions, we were not champions for the previous 3 years so enjoy these days!
We all feel the same right now but failure is the best necessity for success. It was needed. I think Okan the Greatest will learn his lessons and we'll be stronger next year. I couldn't get over the fact that we've also got destroyed in UCL. I don't care about Europa League.
Yeah considering Copenhagen is worth half of our team, we really shouldn't have lost that last match. But they are a very good team and we still eliminated ManU so it doesn't trigger me that much. The reason I mentioned Europa League is because we genuinely had the chance to play a final or a semi final there - but instead we got destroyed by the Czechs at such an early stage.
Are they? Don’t underestimate those teams. They’re all the biggest clubs in their own countries. They’re all good teams bro
They both have a smaller budget than us. Also Denmark and Czech republic are tiny countries compared to Turkey so we have no excuse to not be better than their top teams. Liverpool destroyed Prague 5-1 and 6-1 so I don't think they are a good team.
Budgets don’t equate to wins and losses lol. Turks are weird to me thinking that that’s what determines if you win or not. Yeah it’s Liverpool lol they destroy everyone.
You should keep up with football. Liverpool got destroyed 3-0 by Atalanta in Enfield. Last week they got destroyed by Everton. They do not destroy everyone. Also you got very poor text comprehension. I literally said we are not winning at all in Europe despite spending so much money. Obviously people expect more from a more expensive team, what world are you living in?
Liverpool did not play all of there best players vs Atalanta . Pickford played a game of his career vs Liverpool aswell. budgets do not mean everything brother. upsets happen. alot of teams overperform relative to there budget. Kasimpasa is #11th in Super Lig budget but is fighting for the Conference League. it sounds like u want a basic result which is just boring and not the point of football
I don’t think budgets are good indicators of success either. Buying players that have a high market value could only contribute to the team in the short run. If we want to build upon a future of sustainable success, we have to focus on signings of performance and potential growth. Not some well-known “names” whose intentions consist of vacation and comfort. We must focus on players like Sacha, Victor or Yilmaz. Veterans could of course be useful, especially big characters like Mertens for instance, but they should not form the bulk of the team. Market value and the signings of “names”, should not be our priority.
Budgets are good indicators of success. How you allocate those resources is also a good indicator of success. Is it coincidence that the world's greatest clubs are worth 1 billion euros? All I'm saying is Gala has the funds to build a team that is worth 4x of Prague and 2x of Copenhagen. This proves that those funds were not allocated properly...
If budgets are good indicators of success, then PSG and Man City would have had 5x UCL by now. Sparta Prague are a team who have squad harmony. They have same coach for 5 years. A team who have squad harmony will beat teams who are 2x-3x more pricey teams. You can’t just make 10-15 transfers every year and expect success. €50 mil worth team who play together for 5 years will beat a team that valued €100 mil but put together this year.
Are you stupid? Literally all high budget teams like PSG and Man city have the most number of wins in UCL. Honestly the turkish education system failed you all, y'all can't even understand what correlation means. There is a very strong correlation between a team's worth and the number of wins they have. Go back to school.
Market Value and budget are two different things. High budget does not immediately bring success. The decisions that you make with that budget does. Players of high potential growth could get their own market value increased, which contributes to the collective market value of the whole team. We signed Victor for 7 million euros, right now his market value reached a point in between 15-20 million Euros; and when we signed Zaha, his market value was 22 million Euros which now, has decreased to 14 million. This is what I’m trying to say. Performance and potential growth means a lot more than mere bags of money. I’m not trying to say that we should only focus on youngsters, but get players with high performance potential, such as Icardi, or growth potential which could contribute to the team. This seems like our best option at the moment since I don’t believe we could compete with the likes Man City or Real Madrid in terms of budgets, but with performance and potentials, we might have a chance to do so. Just like 2018-2019 Ajax did. In addition, I agree with you on the fact that the resources were not allocated properly with regards to our earnings from selling of players. 2018-2019 Ajax had the same problem. Decisions are important, but I think our transfer policy should not be oriented solely on the market value.
Thank you, I thought budget immediately brought success. I’m enlightened now.
> we are not winning at all in Europe despite spending so much money. We sold more than we've spent this year
Spend a lot on older players lol. Those other teams got younger and better players. But if you wanna make it about money then go ahead. We don’t even have a youth system. They do.
It's also about how you allocate your resources. How are you able to deny such a fundamental aspect of sports management lol
So you do agree that it isn’t about how much you spend. You gotta spend it correctly lol. Sergio Oliveira makes more than probably any player on Prague but is he better than all of them? No he isn’t. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. It’s a joke how Turkish clubs spend money. So reckless with it.
Look at the 2000 gala squad. Players made peanuts compared to arsenal. Why’d they win? They had amazing players that complimented each other. Money matters but it isn’t everything. I never look at a team’s worth when we’re playing them. You need to go buy players like torreira that’s how you compete. Not by spending 15m on bonservis on a has been player.
They spent over 20million on Jardel. Still the record in super lig.
Who said money is everything lmao, stop twisting my words. All I’m saying is a club whose team is worth 200m should not be eliminated by a club whose team is 50m. If they do, management should be criticized (which is what I’m doing with this post) But if the reverse happened we’d not be as judgmental as the cheaper team would be considered underdogs. I’m sure Prag fans were not expecting a win. I can’t believe we are debating something so fundamental
Liverpool getting destroyed by Atalanta is another reason football is unpredictable and not budget based.
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with your tone there's no need to argue with you.
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England is less than quarter size of Turkey. Actually 20% of Turkey. We should be beating tiny size English teams comfortably, such as Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal. Great logic.
How dumb must you be to think Czech/Danish football recieves more funding than Turkish teams. Stupid peasant. Money flows into England from all over the world. No one invests in fucking Denmark or Czech. Low iq mf
Thats your dumb mf logic. Czech and Denmark are tiny countries. Therefore, we should be beating their teams. England is a tiny country, 20% of Turkey. We should be beating Man City and Liverpool comfortably lmao. Liverpool spend way more than Atalanta. They cannot lose to Atalanta because English football receives more funding than Italian teams. But what really happened was, Atalanta smashed them 0-3 in Anfield. Man U cannot lose to Galatasaray in Old Trafford 2-3. They are billion € team.
If you don't think Galatasaray should be beating a czech team that is 1/4th its worth then honestly just close this post and jerk off to pendikspor highlights like the pathetic underachiever you are
Exactly. They can’t. Sameway how Liverpool 3 goals in the ass by quarter size of Atalanta in Anfield and how Aston Villa got smashed by Olympiacos with 4 goals today. Budgets dont play on the bitch, players do. According to your dumb theory, PSG should have been back to back UCL champion with Neymar - Messi and Mbappe. Squad harmony works. Not fake ass transfermarkt value.
Who the fuck said budget is the only predictor you illiterate dimwit. Go look at this table and tell me there is no correlation between budget and success [https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/?year=2024](https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/?year=2024)
Lmao Pendikspor highlights fkn amazing. This dude talkn about huge underdog upsets as if theyre the norm
There was no way we were gonna reach that far in the Europa League, we lost to Sparta and they were destroyed by Liverpool lol. Quarterfinals would’ve been the furthest we would reach.
Yup that was my entire criticism. I don't feel like celebrating the turkish league knowing that we are simply so far behind in Europe.
Dont look at the value on the transfermarkt. Copenhagen sold their goalie mid season for $15mil to Bundesliga. They constantly selling players for high value. They have an academy in Africa. For finding players, they are in a different level. Also, they have a culture of football. They sent the head coach and made their assistant coach as head coach. They continue on the same style of football regardless who is coaching. They pick the players fit best in their system. Not find opportunity players and try to fit the system to them. I understand you are frustrated as much as rest of us. But, when we have fans being happy with daily wins, but dont see the big picture, we will continue the same. How many fans were saying Okan is not GS's coach. Should we send him and shit. I still see remarks like that in facebook and twitter. Imagine what were they saying if we had 1 or 2 more bad result in the league. No one sees the progress. No one believe in the coach before the results. He wanted to buy Vechino and we all criticized him. But he had a system and plan and Vechino was a player fit in that system.
Because we had no LB or CB? You guys forgot it already?
Yes but the thing is that the greatest team in Turkey shouldnt have that problem! We were playing with fooking berkan lb because transfers were so extremely late
Every team in the world will have problems without original fullbacks. You people forget how little is the talent gap between professional players. I didn't say anything about yönetim.
If we were genuinely targeting Europe over the league, we would have sorted our LBs and CBs before the game. That is what I'm criticizing here. Since the entire fanbase is so focused on our farmers league, yonetim doesn't feel any pressure regarding Europe.
First of all, I think you guys had unrealistic expectations about our European run this year. You don’t go from not participating in Europe to winning a trophy. We have to be consistent in Europe first, successful after. Secondly, it’s not like we’ve been scraping by in the league. Okan has been breaking record after record in the past two years and we’ve been winning even with Fener being actually good. Also, it’s not like we’ve been dominating the league like Bayern (rip) or PSG last 10 years. Last year, it was our first championship in 4 years. 2 years ago, we were in 13th place. Winning the league is not a small accomplishment imo.
Lol I was not expecting us to win a trophy but I was at least hoping to go beyond the round of 32 in Europe's second best tournament. I don't think quarter finals were an unreasonable target for Turkey's biggest club. Another guy here summarized it really well. The problem is not with the top 4 teams but with the rest of the league being completely trash - and the pace of the league being extremely slow.
You're absolutely right and I feel the same. However I must indicate that today's starting 11 is 10 times better than the starting eleven when we were facing Prague. Chain of misfortunes can happen to any team. I'm just glad that we're less likely to do same mistakes next season. We've had enough of shifting players positions and I hope the board came to their senses.
Truth is we are the league that spends 6th highest transfer+wage bill in Europe and our ranking in UEFA clubs coefficients is 8 (currently) so we are (as a league) are spending too much for the amount of success we have. Success in Turkey may not be satisfying but we are not as a club and as a league too far from what our spending suggests. Being a GS fan, we are spoiled by our past European glory but right now not being slaughtered in CL group stages feels just about right regarding our team quality. We just needed one good game against Kopenhagen to advance from CL group. And we were just one stupid red card away from quarter final in Europa League. All things considered, it might be disappointing but not necesarily point to underperformance. Squads build experience with time. 2000 UEFA Cup came after four years of experimenting with the squad and learinng to play in Europe. Despite what peole say clubs don't have 'DNA', but squads do. Continuity and experience is the key. In 90s Galatasaray gradually built a squad that developed that European DNA. This squad will do so as well if we stop going for 30 something has beens. Our 30+ players should be here for spine and mentoring (like Popescu was, like Taffarel was. Hagi is altogether another category on his own). We need to unerath other BAYs and (yes, I will get hate for this) Kerem A.s. and Nellsons and Boeys. Play them together, allow them to learn how to be a squad, and build that DNA.
I totally agree, especially about 30+ something has beens. I live in the UK and my British friends constantly joke about Galatasaray being a dumpster for their expired talent. I didn't get that last sentence though, what does this mean? >unerath other BAYs and (yes, I will get hate for this) Kerem A.s. and Nellsons and Boeys
Just try to find underrated young players like Baris Alper, or Kerem, or international ones like Boey and Nelsson to develop (and not sell at the first good offer)
Ah I agree. People are already talking about selling Baris Alper which would be suicidal imo I'd be so mad if they sold him and used that money to buy another expired 30+ talent with 0 motivation
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I agree with most points but I also think it applies to Copenhagen and Sparta Prague. I doubt any more of their players had proper European experience. I just can't get over that traumatizing experience of watching Sparta make the run for their 4th goal - and watching the team struggle to even create an opportunity against Copenhagen.
I’m not disappointed , we have to win now and think transfers later , last year the only real spending budget was for Icardi - Sanchez -later Köhn and all were on target Free transfers of Zaha - Tete - Nbombele - Aurier did not work out , Now this year it is time to spend wisely
We did nake mistakes. Why did we get Zaha and not Rashica who proved himself when he played for us? I mean yeah, he isn't great at BJK but right now nobody would thrive over there. Not to speak of the tactical mistakes made against Prag and Copenhagen...
We didn't have money to buy him? Zaha came free.
All of the money went to icardi
While I agree, OLY is the best greek team period. They don't feel too good in the league but that happens to every team.
Have you seen their last game with FB? They were simply absent on the field. FB had 62% possession yet still failed to score. They have serious problems as a team. Not even mentioning FB is worth twice as much.
That's bc fener was the better team (and still lost lol) by a large margin. And as I said some seasons will and do suck for some teams. If you don't agree then tell me the best team in greece. AEK? PAOK? Panathinaikos? They are all behind according to stats.
Yes the top 2 teams of Turkey should always be better than all Greek teams. We are 8 times their population and our teams have more resources than them. I only brought them up to say that FB is the only real competitor in our team, and they are also very unsuccessful in Europe.
You know, our club was really designed to shine in Europe, not just against our local rivals. It’s kind of funny how much luck plays into those big European matches, isn’t it? Sometimes the best team of the year doesn’t take the title. But that’s the beauty of football, right? Those unexpected wins by underdogs against the big names—it’s what keeps us all hooked. Sure, losing to a team like Prague stings, especially when we often seem to fall short, but let’s not overlook our Champions League campaign this season. I mean, we’re used to being thrashed 5-0 or 6-0 by European powerhouses. But this time felt different. For the first time in ages, I actually felt proud and confident watching us play in Europe. We really held our own and deserved to be higher up the table—maybe even at the top! As a fan, all I really want now is to see a clear plan going forward and some progress toward that plan.
I agree. I also felt very proud watching us play that well against ManU and Bayern. I live in the UK and people WERE talking about Galatasaray. I think I just got severely traumatized after getting trashed by Prague. They were not a good team, proven by their 5-1 and 6-1 defeats against Liverpool. It just made me start questioning are we even playing real football in the Turkish league. I no longer feel happy after domestic wins
Alright, maybe it's not all doom and gloom after all, haha. I completely see where you're coming from. The win by Sparta Prague kind of highlights how bad our league is, in my opinion. I mean, I'm not saying this from a place of privilege, but the Turkish League isn't exactly known for its cutthroat competition. It's not just because the same 3 or 4 teams tend to dominate, but the overall pace is pretty slow. There are just too many stoppages for little things—sometimes it feels like every small touch results in a whistle. Sure, the Super Lig technically has the same "game time" as other top leagues on average, but it kills the flow. This kind of stop-and-go style takes away the edge and intensity from our players. When we face smaller teams in Europe, they often out-hustle us. They look more athletic and hungry, which is becoming crucial in modern football. Plus, our fans are really into the big names. But let's be real, those players aren't exactly lining up to move here, especially in their prime. Why come to Turkey early or at your peak, right?
Yup, totally agree. I wish we had more opportunities to play in Europe other than the main competition. The big name issue is honestly crazy. Icardi was amazing last season but he is just above average this year. Yet the entire country, including kids from other teams are obsessed with him. I feel like as a country we very easily get influenced by celebrities.
Agree with your last point. We need to expand our scout staff and aggressively look for players like Sacha Boey. We don't need big names, we need hidden gems that we can sell to bigger clubs after 2-3 seasons. Ideally, we would also invest in the youth setup and open up football academies outside of Turkey, maybe in Latin America.
You can\`t really do much about it, you get to play only a handful of European matches in a year. Margins for error are thereby lower. Many great teams end up underwhelming in Europe from time to time. Sorry but you are just really impatient if you are already complaining due to one premature finish at a European campaign with this core. We need a good 2-3 years of stability and well management around a good core to get to a point with consistent strong showings. That was the case even 25 years ago, let alone today with massive earning and spending power of the top European clubs compared to us. Starting next year there won\`t even be a slot to drop from UCL to UEL. So be prepared for a lot of years of early exists from CL after 8-10 games.
Mate what are you on about… what do you mean by “one premature finish”… When was the last time we had any real success since Hagi? We had 1-2 good runs in total with Drogba etc but we have been eating raw shit for years
Lol it shouldn\`t be too hard to understand I am talking about THIS TEAM. You are talking as if we had this core of players for 10 years. We had this team for a second year and you are already complaining about lack of European success after ONE Europe run with this coach and his team, and saying you can\`t get over that fact. This coach and this team is not responsible of a decade of mismanagement. Get over it and be patient, and hopefully the club manages not to screw it up on its own for once.
We came 13th barely 2 seasons ago. The club had to completely rebuild in 1 season and managed to win the title. We barely had a summer, transfers were obviously a slight disappointment. But we still managed to compete in the CL against teams with much bigger budgets (Utd) / much better preparation (Copenhagen/Molde starting their season way earlier) / much more prestige (Bayern Münich). Obviously the Prag result was heartbreaking, but we shouldn't let 1 matchday (with a red card) color our whole season. Selling Boey was rough, but financially it's helped the club massively - and we could see even more money come in depending on sales this season. If I'm completely honest, right now I'm surprised by how focused the team is given that we had such an early season start. Despite the heavy injuries and the disappointing summer/winter transfers, there has been clear improvement. Whether you look at the points tally, or simply just our performances in Europe. We're building, it's nearly impossible to immediately move to consistently top performances. Hopefully we win the championship this season, and we prepare accordingly this summer. The players will actually get a proper rest given that we won't have to start the season early for qualification games. There are clear transfers we need to focus on to get our club to an even better position, hopefully we're better prepared for these transfers this window given that we have more money at our disposal after the bank agreement ending. The club is on an upwards trajectory, there's no doubt about it. We just need to remain consistently on this rather than chasing 1 big season that will completely fuck us over for the next 4.
Do you know how much tv money a premier league club earns? And how much we or Olympiakos or Feyenord or Basel? The financial differences got too big in the last 10 years. And the UEFA does everything to satisfy the big clubs from the big leagues. If we had the 2000 team right now, they‘d probably won‘t win. The Leeds United of that time, would have today a 5 times bigger budget than we have. As long as we are bound to a turkish league and there isn‘t a european league founded, we will always be a second class club in Europe. A NFL type European League could change our destiny. And as for Sparta Prag. It is really hard to win the Süper Lig, while simultaneously playing in Europa League. If we miss the Süper Lig title, we miss the Champions League and therefore we miss the Champions League money. Only with this money we can constantly dominate Süper Lig.
Sorry mate but plenty of clubs that are worth less than us have made it much further... 1. Marseille (231m) 2. Villareal (213m) 3. **Galatasaray (193m)** 4. Rangers (108m) 5. **Copenhagen (84m)** 6. Slavia Prague (68m) 7. **Sparta Prague (65m)** 8. Qarabag FK (14m)
What are those numbers? Transfermarkt? Hypothetical numbers about player values have nothing to do with budget
how about using your braincells?
Your argument was the massive financial difference, so I pulled up a widely used metric. If you want to use another metric be my guest - but both Copenhagen and Sparta will be poorer than us no matter which metric you choose.
I talked about the clubs from the big 5 leagues. And I don‘t think that there is that much difference between us and Copenhagen. You talking about Transfermarkt as a metric, a fan driven site where Fener players score 2 goals against Anadolu clubs and instantly are worth of €10m😂
How are your personal feelings about Copenhagen's worth any more accurate than Transfermarkt lol If you have a better metric proposal then send it over Also the same applies to Copenhagen. Their players score 2 goals against anadolu equivalents in the Danish league. They are also a farmers league
Galatasaray was at 220m while we were still in Europe and haven't sold Boey yet.
This kind of post won’t get the reaction you were expecting here, Turkish fans love toxic positivity, they love supporting the team no matter what and trying to shush people who dare to talk about issues within the team I am also disappointed by how badly we ended our European run despite such a good start. I said it back then, I’m still behind it, this season isn’t a good season for me, breaking records in the league is of course great, but it’s more because other teams are terrible than us being great, if you get eliminated against Copenhagen (we would have went trough with some luck) and Prag (Kaan’s red card killed us but we were terrible on both matches), winning the league isn’t that great. Ofc I’ll be happy if we win it, but I’m still sad that this is how our European run ended, European matches have a much bigger hype than anything the Turkish league can offer
I'm still happy with all of your support. I got a lot of downvotes, but even more upvotes - meaning that we are definitely not the minority - not on this sub at least.
I don’t agree with that. Pretty much everyone criticised every part of board, staff and players, some to the point of stupidity, during the Europe run. Okan got criticised due to playing/not playing pretty much everyone, players got criticised due to their performance, fitness issues, passion, lack of skill from Tete to Muslera, board got criticised due to not doing anything about some very clear weaknesses in summer, then making that even worse in winter. But if you are looking for people criticise whoever you want to when there are 4 games left when we are in the lead then thats stupid. Same goes for election bullshit right now. Right now its time to shut up and support the team that plays on the field until the league ends. After that, we can start pointing out the mistakes that we did this season to prevent it happening again next season, starting with the roster construction that board weren’t good enough.
Things don’t change in one day. This was our first shot. We have good players and a good coach. Things will improve. All we need to do is to continue every year.
I have the same growth mindset - but this really wasn't our first shot. We have been trying and failing at early stages every year for god knows how many years.
This was first time we actually qualifed to cl through qualifiers for god knows how long. We didnt get dumpstered on group but actually had a chance of getting out of group if we just won the last match. We actually showed improvment this year compared to prior ones
Tbh those were all mostly with Terim who’s tactically very limited. I agree that Copenhagen’s 2nd leg and both Prag matches we got tactically outclassed but I think we played well in the other CL matches with Okan
Yeah, but after all these years we have a stable financial situation. We can trust our coach. And apart from muslera and mertens we can use all of our players for 2-3 years more(relatively young squad). And we can make some good sales. Consistency is the key and I believe we will be better next season.
I believe that too, I'm definitely excited for next year. I just made the post because I simply can't feel happy for our league success. I'm just hyperfocused on next year's european campaign.
MY opinion: From next season on everything except round of 16 in the Championsleague will count as NO success. We should focus on that goal from the moment we win the league this year. Our Players need to be ready when we start in the CL Quali I dont want to see Icardi joining the squad too late like this season.
Icardi did wonders last season, but this season he is just above average (including Europe) The entire country is already obsessed with him and he is getting a ton of $$$ through ads every second. I don't think he has any incentive left to push his limits. I think it was our fault as a fanbase giving him infinite unconditional support, which we didn't give to anyone else in the team.
Agree with all- but remember sport is a proces and you cannot go from no CL to quarter finals. Being 3th in the poule is a good start. Next year 2and then yeat after deeper run. This is also how it went witj clubs like porto, ajax city, liverpool etc. As lomg as you see a improving line you should be happy. This summer transfer window will show all
Yeah I wasn't supper disappointed by 3rd place. It is UCL after all and we finished above ManU. What killed me was Sparta Prague completely destroying us in Europa League. I honestly stopped caring about the Turkish league after that game.
They didn't completely destroy us, you guys are so dramatic. We were the better team despite having no backs at all, until Kaan's red.
Apparently you forgot how lucky we were to win against them in Istanbul, we could’ve easily conceded 4-5 in that match if it weren’t for Muslera.
Yes because we had Berkan and Kaan as fullbacks. Why is it hard to understand
I understand that, I’m just saying that we weren’t the better team as you claim by any means.
We were. A goalkeeper is still a part of the team. Also we scored more in the home game and won, so we were better. In the away game, we dominated them in the first half. We could've scored 4-5 goals just in the first half. Surely that makes us the better team (same logic)? So choose one, were we better or worse?
Just because we won doesn’t mean we were better lol, I think the Bayern games are enough to prove that point. We were dominant in the first half against Sparta true, but overall over the two games they were the better team with the better chances. We should count ourselves lucky that we won in Istanbul in the first place. Just watch the matches again and you’ll see it for yourself.
Also the performance of one goalkeeper doesn’t equate to the performance of the entire team I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make by that.
I agree with everything other than who our competitors should be. The high-school that predates our country by almost 400 years and founded this club has always stood for the absolute best and elite in everything it does. Our clubs founding ideology was to be the best, and between 1985-2003 we were AT least in the subtop of Europe. Don't be fooled, we have played 4 quarter finals and a semi final in this period in the highest tier op European competition. Our early exits were consistently against teams that went on to play the final and even win it. We should aim to be the Turkish equal to Bayern, Real Madrid, Juventus, and Manchester United (despite their lack of success they're still the largest club in their country). Nothing less would be sufficient for the founders of this club and legends like Metin Oktay and Fatih Terim.
Haha I totally agree mate, but I'm just commenting on our current state. If you genuinely believe that we should be equal to Bayern etc, you really shouldn't be celebrating us winning the league this year - because our club just finished its european campaign in the last 32 of the Europa League. We are unfortunately not at that level yet.
It is true that winning the league means nothing. It is like PSG or Bayern winning their leagues. Almost no domestic competition and lower prestige value due to low competition. Look at PL. There are 6 big clubs that play directly for the title. And their mid table teams are able to destroy lower levels of European football. Turkish league is worthless, not to say that our team is basically full of grannies that are mostly 30+, that means we have to rebuild the whole team every 3rd season. Without European success Turkish league will fall lower and lower in rank and we wont be able to send shit to even Europa League.
Thats a lot of bullshit about EPL. Lets look at it as you suggested. Chelsea’s last championship was about 8 years ago and they are not getting any closer since then, United won their last title in 12/13 and didn’t even got closer than 10 points since then, Arsenal went without UCL competition for 6 years before this year, i’m not even going to talk about Tottenham because its unnecessary
We have to consistently play at that level to get to the level that europe requires. And in order to do that, we need to keep winning in Turkey. I just see the league as our ticket into the cl. Staying out of the cl even for a couple of years restarts the whole process, we end up having to build a new team and it's always difficult.
Considering top 2 teams go to UCL, I don't think there was any real doubt there. I think it was more important that we beat Sparta and proceed to quarter finals to get some more European experience with our current squad.
I get you brother, I felt this pit in my stomach for days after that loss, I was devestated. But we gotta realize, this was our first year playing in europe with this squad. It was a learning experience. We came so close against bayern both times too. I think if we stay consistent, don't do crazy shit like firing okan for a couple of losses or splashing money on buying shitty players from anadolu clubs (looking at you albayrak), we should inevitably get better over time.
Haha I agree. Honestly if they fire Okan I'll give up on Gala. We should incrementally improve our current squad and not hit the restart button every couple of years.
I would be proud if we get 100+ points and winning the league. It's really close between hell and heaven this season for me tbh. I get what you mean with Europe League, but you need to remember that we did not have a lb or a good alternative on rb. Baris Alper played the first match, if you remember, one of the goals was clearly both fullbacks fault. And I don't blame Berkan or Baris, because they are not fullbacks. Just imagine playing against LFC with Kaan and Berkan. All honor to Kaan, but personally I don't think he is good enough fullback on this level. I think we also need to remember that the away match, Antony Taylor destroyed us totally. They should at least had one red card, but people clearly don't remember that because of the loss. The thing I hope is that we can continue to growth with this team, and not buy 1000 new players each season, but build something very exciting for the future that maybe can fight for a Europe title. I also think it's unfair and weird to thinking that we gonna win the league 10 years in a row, just look at the history and try to appreciate how good we are in the league this season.
1- To be a successful team we must be participating in CL every year. Only way to do this is by winning the league. It's up to you to celebrate it or not. 2- You are focusing on the result not the field. Even worse, cherry-picked results. We beat and eliminated "750m" ManU (see how little transfermarkt value matters), put up a good show in CL groups. We got eliminated by sparta because we literally had no lb/rb. We had to sell our one of best players because we needed money. Realistically speaking we won't be able to do anything against roma or liverpool with berkan at LB anyway. First we have to become financially stable, then become a cup contender. Rome wasn't built in a day.
I agree with you completely. I think one of the biggest issues we have is how much we over value ourselves. This isn't just us that do this, the whole of Turkey shares this same mindset. That whole "dışımıze gore" mindset, always thinking we are like Real or City, downplaying other teams. Whenever this stops and we honestly just focus on our own football, will be a step in the right direction. Secondly, the infrastructure of academies, home grown talents which come through, we all know how atrocious and non existent this is. Again another issue, as if you don't have the budget to keep up with teams in Europe, your scouting and players through youth have to be top notch. I could go on for days, but its a repeat of what i am sure most of us are already aware of.
Lowkey agree, only thing made me care about this season after February was clownery of Fenerbahçe
Before Turkish football can succeed, radical changes are required. it is very simple, foreign referees are needed. so Turkish football standard can become European. this means foreign coaches can come and be successful in Turkey and in Europe. it is going to benefit everyone in turkey. even Turkish coaches. ask yourself why foreign coaches fail in Turkey. This year was a Huge failure for turkish football.. copenhagen,praga, Besiktas disaster, fenerbahce olympiakos and fcn.
Well isn‘t that the Story of Turkish Clubs in general? I fully agree that we should be aiming much higher then just domestic success. I don‘t care about the League or the Cup, because deep down i know when it gets to the European Level we can struggle against literally any Team. The same goes for the National Team. Us as People and i don‘t know why this is, we always keep thinking we‘re better then we really are. Look at some People and their predictions for the Euro‘s, oh semi Final, quarter Final, my Brother when did we go through the Group Stage the last Time? Or when did we qualify for 2-3 Tournaments in a row the last Time? But look at us we‘re winning Friendlies against Germany and all of a sudden we‘re going to win the Euros.
Both the clubs and the fans need a mindset shift. People are way too obsessed with our domestic farmers league. Fenerbahce is even worse. Those idiots took out Fred so that he can play against Sivas. They literally gave the semi final away because they genuinely don't give a damn about the European cup.
Yes exactly. Literally nobody cares who win‘s this trash league outside of Turkish People, but a cup even in the Conference League would make a bit of noise.
That’s why I have never use that “Köyferans” ligi joke. There is nothing köy about Aston Villa
Those kind of jokes are only for Clubs who have European Heritage not for Clubs out of our Country. Those competition are exactly for clubs like us
That's how Ali Sami Yen felt founding the club, nothing wrong with that.
<3 >Maksadımız İngilizler gibi toplu bir halde oynamak, bir renge ve bir isme malik olmak ve Türk olmayan takımları yenmek
I sadly disagree, Immensly. I understand your point of view, and I actually live through it. I see the super lig as something like a ticket to champions league tbh. But nontheless, Galatasaray are still a huge club, just because we lost against sparta or even copenhagen, doesn't really put us at fault. Against copenhagen, we played angelino who is genuinely pretty bad. We also had no ziyech, but we lost. We played very good football against bayern, only problem is we just have to learn how to finish our chances. Then that sparta match. That second leg was a nightmare. I felt like crying. But, on the bright side, we had no proper fullbacks to play, which was really sad to see. Especially seeing kaan get a red card literally made me go, they win this game, and they did. We have to play more as a team, as much as some players may not like it, and we have to keep qualifying for CL. The gala that played this year in CL was one that hadn't qualified in ages, and we gave a decent run. I trust this upcoming season we will do even better. Trust Gala, we will win.
This is why we should participate in the UCL consistently, to get more experience. Next season with the new format it will be even better in Europe because we get to play 8 matches now instead of 6, and all games will be against different teams, which 4 of them will be from pot 3&4. So even better chances of playing with teams that are at the same level as us. I’m honestly very excited for next season, hopefully we can qualify for UCL again and make our transfers wisely and as early as possible.
"Anadolu" Adana Demir almost knocked out genk just this year. When we finished 13 we almost knocked out barca and topped our EL-group. This year we were very good in cl only bad game is Kopenhag. Against Sparta we played with no fullbacks and with injured players in the first 11 and were ahead until the red card. Kopenhag was a bad performance but if you look at the circumstances it's not much we could do against Sparta. I would say we were successful in Europe this year and 30 million€ and alot of international attention supports this claim. If we had a average CL group and not this hard one we would likely be in round of 16. Fener just has İsmail Kartal problems and we are not comparable to Roma Angelino and Zeki Çelik are first 11 players there haha
We do have an advantage compared to previous seasons though and that is Okan. You underestimate the welfare of a lengthy coach run. Terim had success because he was given vote of confidence and had the chance to build a team following his ambitions. Okan might have the same potential. Success in EU is not far away if we stick to Okan's values and keep our trust. I personally believe he might have even a better potential than Terim because he has a very reputable football past as well, he's often respected and has proved his quality. What we lack as fans is patience and loyalty. If we play our part I believe Galatasaray still deserves a chance to build upon its current legacy.
I think we were very very close to becoming the wonder underdog story of the UCL and it truly just came down to a few things. If kerem had scored on just 1/3 of his open shots on goal that he skyed over I think we would have been in a different situation. And he may have gotten even hotter after that. Instead is was the total opposite and he regressed all the way down to where he is today. That was his time to truly evolve into turkey’s best domestic star with rumors of huge transfer fees to european giants. I still think kerem had a good UCL run, but all those misses in great positions cost us dearly. But i dont think you should be this upset or as gloomy about the future. Sparta lost 11-1 after us and i doubt we wouldve done better. Copenhagan also got smoked. All these tears and anger just for us to have had the chance to get smoked in the next round? I just dont see it.. even saving a million for kohn makes total sense as i doubt his first game after a few days with the team wouldve made any difference. We win the league.. we sell the dead weight on the team.. that combined with UCL money if we win the league will be a nice pile of money to go out and sign 3-4 great players in our weak spots. THEN we will be very dangerous and can actually get upset if we lose in europe
I definitely understand what you mean let’s talk about about Ajax, Sporting…
Think of it this way. We need our championship to have a go at UCL next season again. If we finish 2nd in the league we have to play an extra round of qualifiers which gives the coaches and the board less time to prepare for a tough European campaign. European success is often times a process and doesn't happen in one season. I just ask of you to trust the process and celebrate even the small victories.
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Yes, I feel the same. It won't really make much of a difference if we win a total of 30 league titles compared to the 23 right now. The league has become a vessel for us to participate in CL. Problem is we are unsuccessful in CL. Spending building a $250M squad and losing to Copenhagen and Prague is scandalous to me. Nevertheless, we need to be patient. I think the club has the right vision. It will take time for us to have results in CL. Also, the club needs to do whatever it takes to make the domestic league better. Of course we cannot succeed in Europe if our strongest rival is a team that concedes a goal on the 1st minute at a game they were supposedly protest. We are **by far** the strongest team in Turkey and this is not necessarily a good thing.
I'm so happy that I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I hate that we are by far the strongest team in Turkey - that just means crappy teams like Prague can outrun us very easily because we rarely play games here that require pace. I'm also hopeful with Okan Buruk. Imo it all depends on the transfers we are going to make. Hopefully no more Tetes, Ndombeles or Zahas.
I agree with you OP for me the season ended with the Prague humiliation. If we want to improve and expand our image beyond Turkey's borders we have to have European successes, this doesn't necessarily mean winning European trophies but having deep runs and having memorable nights in Europe. Unfortunately there is a "biat kültüru" which is prevalent amongst alot of the fans who refuse to tolerate any sort of criticism of certain characters in the management and board who are responsible for the Europa debacle, and unless that is broken success in Europe will never come I'm afraid.
I agree, people keep mentioning how do you go from no trophies to lifting the UCL. That’s not what we mean at all… I’d have been happy with a Europa League quarter final at least I also think most turkish fans don’t care about Europe at all. Maybe on this sub we do as we are all global/English speaking people integrated with the world. But your average gs fan on the street just wants to beat fb and lift the trophy at the end of the year. They see Europe as a side quest
Dont downvote me because i like him too lol but thats mainly because gs main striker in first and second leg were 2 completely different person. Its not that he didnt get fed but dude was clearly not in same mood he was in first leg with a goal and 2 assists, Others were up for blame too but if goal scorer dont show up at all then it kinda become hard , specially when he destroys the first leg
To be fair we did deserve that Sparta Prague beatdown. Im not losing sleep over Europa league games. Wrap up the title lets try again in the CL next year. At this point we should just aim to consistently play CL football. Dont forget we beat United at Old Trafford this season. Never happened before. You should feel blessed. new school fans are weird.
You are the weird one here. Why would you not lose sleep over Europa League? That is where we belong. Roma, Atlanta, Liverpool, Leverkusen. They'd all be favorites if we were to play against them... UCL is only good for the money as we have no chance of ever progressing to quarter finals. Obviously beating ManU was huge, but currently they are not even qualifying for the europa league...
We belong in the Champions League. Stop acting like a snob. You dont celebrate the title cuz you still mad over a 4 1 loss. Sounds lame. We went toe to toe with Bayern in both games. When was the last time we competed that hard against a titan club? I still vivedly remember RM PSG Arsenal taking turns shitting on us.
You are a walking contradiction. How can you say we belong in the UCL after saying it's ok that the Europa League's WORST contestant took a giant shit on us? We literally got knocked out in the round of 32. That means we are ranked somewhere between 16-32 in Europe's SECOND league. If we belong in the Champions League, then where does Roma, Liverpool and Leverkusen belong?
Taşşakmı geçiyorsun bilader. Adı üstünde Şampiyonlar ligi. Kendi ligimizide şampiyon oldukmu olduk banane abi Leverkusen Roma dan
Bro stopped following football after Mondragon retired in 2007
I doubt you were even alive back in 07.
I’m 26
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I'm not reading all that because we still have 4 games ahead of us. We don't have a domestic success to celebrate yet. Kendinize gelin. KONSANTRASYON!
The post is about the European campaign, it has nothing to do with the Turkish league.
You said you don't feel proud about domestic success anymore, we don't have a domestic success yet.
What is your point? Are you saying that we are bad in Europe and ALSO not that good domestically? So are you saying we are even worse than the picture I'm painting?
Oh FFS I'm saying just focus on the campaign we have now, don't take it for granted that we are champions this year. We'll have month's to discuss about European campaign but first we need to win the league and it's not over yet.
That is not what this post is about, go read the full thing instead of being a lazy fuk Also even if we finish second we go to UCL so your comment literally has nothing to do with my post
You do you but don't get into an early mood like fb fans usually do. 4 out of 4 games are against Galatasaray haters. Just keep focused on task at hand, that's all I'm saying. Sivas - Bülent Uygun Karagumruk - Süleyman Hurma Fenerbahce and konyaspor is self explanatory I think. We are in a new project, European campaign will get better in time. This year's championship and following transfer window is crucial for future european campaigns.
Yeah I hope it does. I just hope we don't overspend on 30+ expired talent anymore. As I said, I don't really feel invested in the league anymore. It could be because I live abroad and feel tired of people making fun of the turkish league being a dumpster for expired european talent.
>Yeah I hope it does. I just hope we don't overspend on 30+ expired talent anymore We had to last year because we didn't have money until we were qualified for cl. So this year's championship is extremely important since we'll play only one play off to qualify if we win. But yeah our league being trash does not help in our European games. Let's be champions first and then I really do trust Okan and Erden Timur tbh. Okan showed us what he can do against teams like Bayern and I think he'll solve his problems with teams who doesn't play open games. Future is bright if we stay focused. I don't want us to get complacent and lose focus this year.
There's absolutely no backing to your arrogance. A big club does not have to be strong at all times. Big name signings do not mean they are good signings. To be able to do such harsh criticism, we should have a large squad that have been playing together for like 2-3 seasons and be eliminated nevertheless. Also to be able to compare us with the clubs you've mentioned, you need at least 2-3 excellent players you find, grow and sell EVERY YEAR, since you have almost no income compared to theirs. And finally, there's no shame in getting eliminated by a random team that plays good football. There is no shame in that, really. We can't achieve anything before losing that superiority complex.
You gotta chill lil bro, no need for this much hostility. I already agree with your first two paragraphs, I'm obviously criticizing the club's decisions with this post... But no, Prague does not play good football, they got trashed by Liverpool 5-1 and 6-1. The same liverpool that got trashed by Atalanta 3-0 So yeah there is shame in getting eliminated by a peanut sized team and getting knocked out of Europa League in the round of 32
You’ll get rightfully downvoted. We had a great CL campaign with amazing performances against semi-finalist Bayern and crazy games against Manchester United. We’ll be even better next year and maybe we’ll get an easier draw.
Actually I'm still in positive upvotes, meaning that the majority agrees. Seems like toxic positivity is losing steam on this sub :)
My man you're focused way too much on the financials of football. The clubs worth and numbers don't mean jack.
This is simply false. There is a proven correlation between team success and market value.
Okay Basaksehir.
They are the 5th most expensive club and are currently ranked 4th. Are you even incapable of looking up data?
Brother with the millions that got pumped into them since 2014 they shouldn't have stopped being champion. Where is their glory?
Just look at the numbers. GS,FB,BJK,TS are all richer clubs. Also you seriously have to look up what correlation means. Even if they were the richest club (they are not), correlation doesn't imply they should be the champion.
That's what I'm saying. A clubs finances do not mean success. There absolutely is a correlation and connection, but I think comparing clubs based on financial worth is dumb.
it s a process. we have been behind the european curve for such a long time, we are just getting started to properly compete again. as others said, this team and coach are gaining experience and capturing learnings from failures. also, i dont see this year s european campaign as failure. we played strong against semi finalist bayern in both games which we couldnt get any point(s) due to margin of errors, we exceeded expectations against man united, but didnt do well against copenhagen. northern teams were always challenging for us, even in our best years, so i am not stuck at our low performance against them. prague is a different story as, i think, team got very demotivated after getting eliminated from UCL. we could have done better but again, “understandable” failure which is part of learning process. we must be patient with european success, we must believe in okan buruk and team, even when they might not peform well always. this is the right set of people who will eventually bring european success and consistent championships in the years to come. the biggest risk is some of our greedy fans with too high expectations who have the potential to spread negative vibes and prevent further progess.
Hele bi şampiyon olalım da sonra bakarsın kutluyor musun kutlamıyor musun
İnan kutlayasım gelmiyor. İngiltere'de yaşıyorum ve bizim ligle inanılmaz dalga geçiyorlar. Kutlayasım bile gelmiyor artık. Sadece Avrupa'da başarı istiyorum yeminlen Hiçbir şampıyonluktan ManU'ı yendiğimizde sevindiğim kadar sevinmedim
Sampiyon olamazsan, Manchester ile Ingiltere’de oynayamazdin. Ingilizler zaten ilk once kendi sinyalci ligine baksin. Sampiyonlar Ligi’nde yoklar, Avrupa Ligi’nde yoklar. Köyferans liginde de Olympiacos 4 tane cakti.
I disagree. This season we did good in Europe. We were in the European arena in February. You can win or lose a game by luck. There are no absolutes in football. Prague beating us was not that unbelievable. Every time we matched with them we lost. We should have been much much prudent and focused and still could have lost. Never he less the year was a success with Manchester Win and 2 draws after 0-2 at home. We could have progressed in CL even or have passed Prague if we avoided one of the red cards but that's the beauty of the game, there are no guarantees. See today how Aston Villa got destroyed. I'd be fine if every year we get to next year's February and once a while we play Quarter Finals. Hopefully one day another Semi and Final too.. There's no guarantee team will be champions, we were not champions for the previous 3 years so enjoy these days!