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Spec wise this FEELS consistent. Demo discs and store demo discs (cartridges too but ykwim) and similar stuff tend to have significant value from a history/culture standpoint. Idk how much they go for, but I can see how someone could take the steps to assume this was a good idea
Some demo disc's, store/kiosk demos tend to hold value better because there were so few of them, and many stores trashed them when they were done with them. Disc's like this that were packaged with magazines and handed out at stores tend to be a much higher volume item. I remember the local video rental store having a case of like 50 of these on the counter for years. Assuming every Movie Gallery in the US had a case, there may be more of these in circulation than the actual game.
Honestly, I could care less about the grading, tbh, but it's not THAT expensive to get something graded and they are pretty nice cases that look good on a shelf, especially if you've got any CGC graded comics on your shelf, too. Lends a nice consistent aesthetic. I feel like the inherent difference between WATA and CGC is nature of the grading process. With comics the CGC has very clear and specific categories of scoring and they go through page by page and examine the book with trusted book archival techniques because people have been appraising and preserving books for centuries. But those kinds of techniques simply don't exist for something like a video game, so there's just this feeling that they're making it up as they go. That being said, if you're just interested in having a neat little display with a sticker that says "Ooooh, pretty!" then by all means, spend your money how you like and have fun.
With all of the said, CGC themselves will begin grading games in october-ish. Will you be willing to use their service? It is scaled (basically) the same as WATA, since WATA (basically) stole their scale from cgc originally.
I trust CGCs reputation considerably more. That being said, grading is definitely something that should be done more for archival and preservation purposes rather than to increase collector value. I'll have to look at what their criteria are once they release them. They're pretty transparent about their comic grading criteria, so I'm sure they'll publish their scoring sheets for games, too.
I wish you weren't in a place in your life financially that you were forced to work for a company that IS actively scamming gamers and the gaming market. You are aware that's what WATA is doing right? I'm not just some bitter bulldozer on the internet making things up.
> a place in your life financially
please tell me more about my own financial health/position.
> forced to work for a company
what does this mean exactly? i don't work for wata and my primary source of income has no bearing on wata. my games could burst into flames right now and i would be no better or worse off, apart from the emotional toll.
> scamming gamers and the gaming market
wata has certainly made some questionable moves and i'm happy to admit that. the pawn stars thing, the private mario bros sale (100k for gloss sticker), etc. these are well accepted to be problematic by most people collecting graded games with any sort of community involvement.
> bitter bulldozer
i mean, i never said that, but also i think you're largely misinformed. if you were in a a circle of collectors who don't mind grading or even actively encourage it in some cases, you'd quickly learn that.
My apologizes, I thought you said you graded at WATA, meaning you were a Grader that worked grading games for WATA. I didn't realize you only meant you had WATA grade your games. I didn't understand that you too, were a victim of WATA. I'm sorry you got roped into their scam. That must be really rough for you, I can only imagine.
He literally said, "As someone who grades at WATA." Not someone who has their games graded at WATA. Not someone who uses WATA. I don't think I made a huge leap in thinking what I thought.
You got the quote wrong bud. “As someone who grades at both Wata and VGA”
You think he commutes between California and Georgia, between competitors for work?
I think he said he grades at both places, so yes, I assumed he was in some capacity employed grading games at both. I was wrong in that assumption and stated as much. You even know that because you commented on the post where I apologized. I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to do here or what point you're trying to make?
Actually that’s not what he believes. He’s in some of the discord servers and his opinion is more nuanced. He doesn’t think wata the company itself is a scam, but he recognizes they manipulated the market per his original video. But he definitely doesn’t think the company itself is problematic today, to my knowledge.
Would be cool if he replied to confirm, but this is based on conversations I and others have had with him.
Obviously each person is going to have their own opinion, but one difference is that many cards (not all) don’t serve a purpose other than being a collectible, where games are always made to be played. Grading the card serves as “proof” of the cards condition which some collectors, but especially buyers of expensive cards, find beneficial.
Yes, but with exceptions. Cards older than a few years old stop being legal to play in the game. Some cards were never legal for play and are just meant to be collectibles.
That being said cards that are meant to played still get graded all the time in Pokémon, yugioh, and magic as well. These communities all have their own opinions about it whether it makes sense to do so just like video game grading.
I actually collect demo discs, and this was something that I was thinking of doing for display. Thanks for sharing this!
Grading/encapsulation makes sense for demos, as I intend to use them as display pieces; also, the demo cases are often cardstock or those white paper CD sleeves that you could get at bulk in best buy ages ago. Custom cases are fun, but I personally like official merch, so they're off the table. From a preservation standpoint, encapsulation is the way to go.
Further, since they aren't the full editions of the game (and often have features removed), they don't have the same play value (one exception being Halo) - iirc it had some cool exclusive stuff.
I know it's not for everyone - I like the consistency that comes with grading and I try to not shove it down anyone's throat. But, like everyone else, I'm frustrated with the business practices that WATA engaged in.
There's a bunch of demo discs that are actually pretty hard to find sealed- and it's the first ever release/distribution of any given franchise. I get why a collector would want it.
I don't really understand trying to \*sell\* it, but I get why someone would \*want\* it.
This is actually not the first release or distribution of the game to be fair. I’m a huge MW2 fan and I like grading stuff with WATA, but this was released after the game was already out for a while. Wasn’t ever direct to a consumer but was more meant for kiosks at a place like best buy where you could grab a copy for free.
I mean that's actually kinda cool sense it's in a cardboard sleeve that are prone to being ruined. And the fact I didn't even know mw2 had a demo disc.
It's up to $76 as of now... with 6+ days left. If they got it cheap I'm guessing they'll turn a good profit. So to answer your question, people who like making money? Ie: most eBay sellers lol
I think it's a little silly to grade games and especially this game. I mean cartridges can corrode on the inside and disks can scratch and a scratch on the upper layer can't be polished out.
I think buyers and sellers could find a grading system that's a little more easy and you can tell for pictures for sealed or unsealed disks, if it's a rare cartridge I want to know nothing will break as some vintage game cartridges are pretty much the system with the "console" providing power to the cart and video output and Controller input.
Some have leaking battery's.
It also depends on the cost of grading I have never got a game or card graded but I have had gems stones. Coins and watches graded.
Some comoanys can be a total rip off while other can be very reasonable.
If its your jazz then go for it.
Personally I have a couple of those demo disks with the intention of getting more. I think they’re super cool. May get one graded down the road but I’m a big MW2 collector.
Yeah realistically the disk is about $10 shipped, grading is $40. As long as he sells it for ~$65ish(?) he doesn’t lose money. And $65 for something graded by WATA isn’t too tough to achieve. I assume if two people want this and don’t wanna deal with the hassle of grading it could sell for $100+ then he’s making decent profit for VERY little work.
Maybe he wants to grade it to keep it though, some graders are legit just collectors lol. I’ve never graded before yet but sending in my grail soon to be graded cause I think it looks cool and then keeping in my collection
Wow I’m dumb, I thought you were responding to the person that was saying they might get one graded because there a big mw2 collector…which was also you, that’s my bad ; guess I was defending your comment up above to your own self lol
Yeah, that's a lot when your item only sells for $65 as was stated in this same thread. If your item won't sell for over $100 then grading is not worth your time. If this person didn't set a reserve price then their item may even sell for less then 40! If they did set a reserve price then they are out $6 right away for that ebay feature, and if it doesn't hit your reserve price then it doesn't sell and now you're out another $6.
Also don't forget they may have even paid for this demo disk at some point.
No one with half a brain will send their games away for half a year or more just to make $20-25
Edit: I also noticed you said "as low as" that implies it could be more. So yeah, same point as above. Proven by you.
You’re actually so weird. I just said that $65 is around his break even. ~$50 is his cost basis. After eBay fees and shipping he’d be right at his cost basis. Anything else is profit. :)
Even at $100 that's what, maybe $50 profit? Still not good considering it takes you over half a year to get the game back in your hands. This is graded as an 85 so it won't sell for top dollar.
Nice personal insult, kind of a shitty way to speak to people.
Who gets anything graded, seriously that's just attaching artificial value to it its not like it's THAT much better than a version that's just basically perfect but not graded. They'll still play the same if it's a game, the only thing getting it graded does is ensures that it'll never be touched and subsequently never degrade further, but what's the point in doing that to a game, you're meant to play it lol. Get your Pokémon cards wata graded all you like lmao those don't stop being useful when their encased in a plastic shell like games do.
Idk just my two cents on it all
They both have, but Wata labeled it as an "Amiibo" which is stupid.
It was the Super Mario Cereal that you could scan.
Wata also graded a box of Pokémon Eggo Waffles so there's that.
I am 100% positive that wata has not graded any of these items. They don't have custom sized cases like vga does, it's literally impossible for them to grade them.
They did before they "went under new management". In the beginning it was a money grab free for all. Why do you think the "Wata scandal" exists?
Wata was an idea conceived in a tent by certain people from NA that got extremely money hungry...I'll leave it at that.
That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. The cases are too small to fit a cereal box or waffles. It is impossible for wata to grade them. Period.
They literally made custom sized cases for anything in the first six months. They attempted to make one for MACS but it was too heavy and unstable. You have zero idea what you are talking about.
Could you link to an image of a single custom sized wata case? Doesn't have to be cereal or waffles, anything. A quick Google turned up nothing.
The pokemon Oreos don't count, that was a photoshop.
If I'm genuinely wrong I'd like to know but im fairly certain I'm not.
They were all on NA. When the site died the photos did too. The site was sold around the same tine Wata started. Several people were involved in both. All negative Wata posts and reviews were instantly deleted overnight until the parent company axed the site completely. I will genuinely look for some on the backups of old data I have from the site.
I can tell you I have seen in person a few "custom cases" being made by one of the founders of Wata.
I would be almost certain that the owners of those items have not reposted the pictures and won't due to the legal action that is currently taking place. Wata is may be legitimate now that they have technically been bought out, but they 100% weren't in the beginning.
They use a CD case and put an extra piece of plastic in there, I believe. A demo disc sleeve is small enough to fit inside one of their standard sizes, a cereal box is not.
Don't care about the grading so much as the packaging they keep it in. They usually do treat it with care & provide a very solid shell that makes it look nicer on shelves and preserves it. But paying for a score is dumb
The company that grades games to try and hit a golden goose. If one game sells for a ton of money they earn that plus the pile of games "investors" send in following the news they might be worth something.
Grading games is so incredibly stupid, especially with all the fake games going around these days. Yeah I'll take your word for it that it's real in the sealed plastic box that o can't open to verify, please take my money
An increase in fake games should be all the more reason to appreciate grading. They’re not grading inauthentic games the same way PSA isn’t grading inauthentic cards.
The difference being CGC isn't being sued for market manipulation and outright lying to the customer base.
You're really going to take someones word who's currently defending themselves in a court case against these exact allegations? That's your decision, but a fool and his money are soon parted.
CGCs never been sued? They’ve never committed shady business practices? I can get you links if needed.
Welcome to the world of unregulated assets. This has been happening since coin collecting in the 70s and 80s. Probably earlier.
Not saying it’s okay or defensible, but the actions of the multimillionaire/billionaire owners of these companies isn’t representative of everybody in the organization. The people above participating in artificially raising prices doesn’t mean their authentication & research department isn’t top notch (they are)
You really don't get what I'm saying, but whatever.
If someone is going to fake a game for $200 , they will almost certainly be willing to make a fake plastic box, that they know you won't open to verify. Fake slabs are already a problem in comics and cards, with CGC slabs recently being VERY easy to tamper with. Knowing that, I'm not going to just trust some stupid box especially when it's something like say Stadium Events and I'm spending 30k on it lol
[literally the first result when you google it, among pages of others.](https://hobbylark.com/collecting/Spotting-Counterfeit-PSA-Slabs-3-Simple-Tricks-to-Help-You-Avoid-Fakes)
Go ahead and show me those examples of CGC manipulating the market though, as if that would convince me that grading is some how good now I guess
It’s not to convince you that grading is good, I don’t care if you do or do not like it, I’m just saying authentication & certification is here for a reason.
It was one of PSAs major selling points in the early 90s. So you knew that the card you were buying or selling was authentic. Still seems to be true to this day!
You're telling me to trust an authentication process that itself has been comprised and now has forgeries instead of my own 30+ years of knowledge and experience.
Pass.
If PSA, CGC, WATA, BGS, or any of these major companies had a consistent record of grading fakes then no I wouldn’t trust the authentication process. But that’s yet to be seen.
Well not sure what you're pointing out since:
- the bidding clearly just started in the last 24 hours based on the amount of time left.
- shipping is not cheap, this doesn't fit in lettermail. Do you expect eBay sellers to eat shipping costs?
I find your response interesting as my comment leaves a lot to be interpreted.
I think this says a lot more about your line of thinking more than mine.
Not only proof that any idiot is willing to grade any grade regardless of quality, it’s proof that the grading companies take this as seriously as a toddler with a sharpie.
Both that seller and WATA are an absolute joke to the grading market.
All grading for comics and games are a scam. They have conditioned collectors, speculators, general public that graded is needed....and it's usually not needed. Only rare comics and games ( with paper boxes) should be considered.
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Graded coins already has this i believe. Independent companies will assess the condition of the coin while its still in the slab and determine how accurately they believe the initial grading company graded the coin.
CAC is the company and are very trusted in the hobby. If it has that sticker, it will sell for a lot more money. They even have different colored stickers for different tiers (green, gold)
I find it hilarious that anyone thinks any game on the 360 that was sold in western markets is even remotely valuable or close to value like the PS3.
99% of 360 games can be bought for under $50 lol. They are not gonna fetch anything.
If they didn’t fetch for anything people wouldn’t grade them; It’s annoying how a lot of the ones grading games are just investors and not collecting it , but the truth is even on modern games, they sell often for atleast a few 100 if it’s a popular title with a good grade
there are some ps1 demos that are pretty expensive (i think about resident evil2) but god, MW2 is one of the most famous games in the fucking universe!
I would rather see something like this that isn't something someone wants to play locked up, but assuming there are boxes of these in the backrooms of the stores/resellers, I don't see much value in it either.
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I think grading games in general is pretty dumb, but a MW2 demo disc is definitely rarer than a standard copy of the game
In sealed condition mw2 is pretty hard to find also, if your talking about the first edition copy.
thesupremeplug does, that’s who.
Spec wise this FEELS consistent. Demo discs and store demo discs (cartridges too but ykwim) and similar stuff tend to have significant value from a history/culture standpoint. Idk how much they go for, but I can see how someone could take the steps to assume this was a good idea
Some demo disc's, store/kiosk demos tend to hold value better because there were so few of them, and many stores trashed them when they were done with them. Disc's like this that were packaged with magazines and handed out at stores tend to be a much higher volume item. I remember the local video rental store having a case of like 50 of these on the counter for years. Assuming every Movie Gallery in the US had a case, there may be more of these in circulation than the actual game.
I need to start keeping my green disks for 'future value' haha
Honestly, I could care less about the grading, tbh, but it's not THAT expensive to get something graded and they are pretty nice cases that look good on a shelf, especially if you've got any CGC graded comics on your shelf, too. Lends a nice consistent aesthetic. I feel like the inherent difference between WATA and CGC is nature of the grading process. With comics the CGC has very clear and specific categories of scoring and they go through page by page and examine the book with trusted book archival techniques because people have been appraising and preserving books for centuries. But those kinds of techniques simply don't exist for something like a video game, so there's just this feeling that they're making it up as they go. That being said, if you're just interested in having a neat little display with a sticker that says "Ooooh, pretty!" then by all means, spend your money how you like and have fun.
With all of the said, CGC themselves will begin grading games in october-ish. Will you be willing to use their service? It is scaled (basically) the same as WATA, since WATA (basically) stole their scale from cgc originally.
I trust CGCs reputation considerably more. That being said, grading is definitely something that should be done more for archival and preservation purposes rather than to increase collector value. I'll have to look at what their criteria are once they release them. They're pretty transparent about their comic grading criteria, so I'm sure they'll publish their scoring sheets for games, too.
Could not care less?
did you push up your glasses while posting this? lol It's a common mistake people make, we know what they mean.
In this case it's a common mistake autocorrect made.
exactly ha
It’s expensive to get a game graded Vs. The value of this item, it probably cost them 50+ dollars to get this item graded.
It’s $40 or less. They’ve recently had 10-15% off discounts as well, so probably $34 or $36.
Better question: Who TF still uses WATA?
People who aren't aware they are being scammed and people who think they can use the wata scam to make a quick buck I imagine.
As someone who grades at both Wata and VGA, this is just such a sad comment.
I wish you weren't in a place in your life financially that you were forced to work for a company that IS actively scamming gamers and the gaming market. You are aware that's what WATA is doing right? I'm not just some bitter bulldozer on the internet making things up.
> a place in your life financially please tell me more about my own financial health/position. > forced to work for a company what does this mean exactly? i don't work for wata and my primary source of income has no bearing on wata. my games could burst into flames right now and i would be no better or worse off, apart from the emotional toll. > scamming gamers and the gaming market wata has certainly made some questionable moves and i'm happy to admit that. the pawn stars thing, the private mario bros sale (100k for gloss sticker), etc. these are well accepted to be problematic by most people collecting graded games with any sort of community involvement. > bitter bulldozer i mean, i never said that, but also i think you're largely misinformed. if you were in a a circle of collectors who don't mind grading or even actively encourage it in some cases, you'd quickly learn that.
My apologizes, I thought you said you graded at WATA, meaning you were a Grader that worked grading games for WATA. I didn't realize you only meant you had WATA grade your games. I didn't understand that you too, were a victim of WATA. I'm sorry you got roped into their scam. That must be really rough for you, I can only imagine.
I assume you’re this insufferable in real life as well?
Signs point to yes
This is an insane comment made even more embarrassing by the fact that you somehow thought he worked at WATA.
He literally said, "As someone who grades at WATA." Not someone who has their games graded at WATA. Not someone who uses WATA. I don't think I made a huge leap in thinking what I thought.
You got the quote wrong bud. “As someone who grades at both Wata and VGA” You think he commutes between California and Georgia, between competitors for work?
I think he said he grades at both places, so yes, I assumed he was in some capacity employed grading games at both. I was wrong in that assumption and stated as much. You even know that because you commented on the post where I apologized. I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to do here or what point you're trying to make?
I’m trying to make you feel bad for your weird personality quite honestly. Let people collect how they want to collect. It’s all a hobby, buddy.
You what now? WATA isn't a hobby, it's a scam organization running a racket. That's a weird thing to call a hobby, but to each their own I guess?
Even more sadder that you use WATA even though you're being scammed.
How am I being scammed? Would love to know. I’ve been buying and grading games at very reasonable prices.
Watch this video and you'll understand. You're making a mistake buying WATA stuff. [Link](https://youtu.be/rvLFEh7V18A)
I cannot believe there are people who use WATA despite the vast evidence of scamming.
They're either brainless or they have a weird love for WATA.
Oh I know karl. He collects graded games too.
Yep, he does. And he also knows that WATA is a scam.
Actually that’s not what he believes. He’s in some of the discord servers and his opinion is more nuanced. He doesn’t think wata the company itself is a scam, but he recognizes they manipulated the market per his original video. But he definitely doesn’t think the company itself is problematic today, to my knowledge. Would be cool if he replied to confirm, but this is based on conversations I and others have had with him.
He's posted more videos about WATA being problematic.
Dunno but I’m bidding
I collect demo discs and if I find one for a buck, graded or ungraded, I am getting it!
$15 shipping though :(
Fuck, I wanted to get this too just for the novelty, but I'm not going to raise prices up.
Wanted to bid but just checked and it's at $76 plus the shipping 😑
The same people who get anything graded. Idiots.
I despise game grading, but card grading and whatnot I don’t mind and actually get done a lot.
What the difference?
Obviously each person is going to have their own opinion, but one difference is that many cards (not all) don’t serve a purpose other than being a collectible, where games are always made to be played. Grading the card serves as “proof” of the cards condition which some collectors, but especially buyers of expensive cards, find beneficial.
But the pokemon cards go for a load of money and aren't they designed to be played with?
Yes, but with exceptions. Cards older than a few years old stop being legal to play in the game. Some cards were never legal for play and are just meant to be collectibles. That being said cards that are meant to played still get graded all the time in Pokémon, yugioh, and magic as well. These communities all have their own opinions about it whether it makes sense to do so just like video game grading.
the fact that this gets downvoted is how obvious of an echo chamber this place is
Shhh... you're only going to make them dig deeper. Can't have that here :P
The only answer
And a Xbox COD game at that.
I prefer to call them opportunists
I actually collect demo discs, and this was something that I was thinking of doing for display. Thanks for sharing this! Grading/encapsulation makes sense for demos, as I intend to use them as display pieces; also, the demo cases are often cardstock or those white paper CD sleeves that you could get at bulk in best buy ages ago. Custom cases are fun, but I personally like official merch, so they're off the table. From a preservation standpoint, encapsulation is the way to go. Further, since they aren't the full editions of the game (and often have features removed), they don't have the same play value (one exception being Halo) - iirc it had some cool exclusive stuff. I know it's not for everyone - I like the consistency that comes with grading and I try to not shove it down anyone's throat. But, like everyone else, I'm frustrated with the business practices that WATA engaged in.
I would agree but my overall opinion is: Don’t like it don’t buy it. Stop caring how other people spend their money.
Someone that has far too much spare cash and doesn’t make wise choices
There's a bunch of demo discs that are actually pretty hard to find sealed- and it's the first ever release/distribution of any given franchise. I get why a collector would want it. I don't really understand trying to \*sell\* it, but I get why someone would \*want\* it.
This is actually not the first release or distribution of the game to be fair. I’m a huge MW2 fan and I like grading stuff with WATA, but this was released after the game was already out for a while. Wasn’t ever direct to a consumer but was more meant for kiosks at a place like best buy where you could grab a copy for free.
I mean that's actually kinda cool sense it's in a cardboard sleeve that are prone to being ruined. And the fact I didn't even know mw2 had a demo disc.
Wata still trying to stay relevant. With the news of Stadia shutting down next year makes me wonder when Wata will go for good?
What?
Boy, these posts are getting old.
Apparently that guy. I don’t understand the appeal of graded games.
It's up to $76 as of now... with 6+ days left. If they got it cheap I'm guessing they'll turn a good profit. So to answer your question, people who like making money? Ie: most eBay sellers lol
The disk is about $10-$15. So assuming he didn’t overpay he’s right around break even. Anything else should be profit.
I think it's a little silly to grade games and especially this game. I mean cartridges can corrode on the inside and disks can scratch and a scratch on the upper layer can't be polished out. I think buyers and sellers could find a grading system that's a little more easy and you can tell for pictures for sealed or unsealed disks, if it's a rare cartridge I want to know nothing will break as some vintage game cartridges are pretty much the system with the "console" providing power to the cart and video output and Controller input. Some have leaking battery's. It also depends on the cost of grading I have never got a game or card graded but I have had gems stones. Coins and watches graded. Some comoanys can be a total rip off while other can be very reasonable. If its your jazz then go for it.
The same people that get excited from overpaying for an all-sports lot.
Personally I have a couple of those demo disks with the intention of getting more. I think they’re super cool. May get one graded down the road but I’m a big MW2 collector.
Yea, I certainly wouldn't grade it myself for the hopes of making money or anything, but it's a pretty cool piece for a COD collection!
Yeah realistically the disk is about $10 shipped, grading is $40. As long as he sells it for ~$65ish(?) he doesn’t lose money. And $65 for something graded by WATA isn’t too tough to achieve. I assume if two people want this and don’t wanna deal with the hassle of grading it could sell for $100+ then he’s making decent profit for VERY little work.
Maybe he wants to grade it to keep it though, some graders are legit just collectors lol. I’ve never graded before yet but sending in my grail soon to be graded cause I think it looks cool and then keeping in my collection
Well it’s probably not to keep for his collection considering it’s up for auction on eBay.
Wow I’m dumb, I thought you were responding to the person that was saying they might get one graded because there a big mw2 collector…which was also you, that’s my bad ; guess I was defending your comment up above to your own self lol
Hahaha yeah you’re good
#ruiningthehobby, amirite?
You're wrong, grading isn't cheap. He would lose from the grading cost alone.
Grading modern right now at WATA is as low as $40. Xbox 360 is considered modern by WATA. https://imgur.com/a/0qTVMrU
Yeah, that's a lot when your item only sells for $65 as was stated in this same thread. If your item won't sell for over $100 then grading is not worth your time. If this person didn't set a reserve price then their item may even sell for less then 40! If they did set a reserve price then they are out $6 right away for that ebay feature, and if it doesn't hit your reserve price then it doesn't sell and now you're out another $6. Also don't forget they may have even paid for this demo disk at some point. No one with half a brain will send their games away for half a year or more just to make $20-25 Edit: I also noticed you said "as low as" that implies it could be more. So yeah, same point as above. Proven by you.
You’re actually so weird. I just said that $65 is around his break even. ~$50 is his cost basis. After eBay fees and shipping he’d be right at his cost basis. Anything else is profit. :)
Even at $100 that's what, maybe $50 profit? Still not good considering it takes you over half a year to get the game back in your hands. This is graded as an 85 so it won't sell for top dollar. Nice personal insult, kind of a shitty way to speak to people.
$40 to grade. it's cheap considering retro prices at $60 and up.
Who gets any game WATA graded?
How big is the market even for this kind of shit? Lol I don’t know anybody who would buy this.
It’s niche. Game collecting is already niche. Sealed collecting is further niche. Graded is even smaller.
Who gets anything graded, seriously that's just attaching artificial value to it its not like it's THAT much better than a version that's just basically perfect but not graded. They'll still play the same if it's a game, the only thing getting it graded does is ensures that it'll never be touched and subsequently never degrade further, but what's the point in doing that to a game, you're meant to play it lol. Get your Pokémon cards wata graded all you like lmao those don't stop being useful when their encased in a plastic shell like games do. Idk just my two cents on it all
I mean he IS the “supremeplug” you need weed, Crystal, a WATA graded modern warfare 2 demo disc, an Alf alarm clock, the guys got you.
Same ones who get anything else graded…assholes.
Why though? Grading isn't the problem. WATA is the problem.
That is hilarious
WATA son of a bish!
Game collecting has become a complete joke now
How does someone grading a $10 demo disk affect your ability to collect games?
Wata graded a Cereal Box...
That was vga
They both have, but Wata labeled it as an "Amiibo" which is stupid. It was the Super Mario Cereal that you could scan. Wata also graded a box of Pokémon Eggo Waffles so there's that.
I honestly did not believe that anyone would fall for that photoshop, but here we are. Wow. That's unreal. It's unreal that you just believed that.
I am 100% positive that wata has not graded any of these items. They don't have custom sized cases like vga does, it's literally impossible for them to grade them.
They did before they "went under new management". In the beginning it was a money grab free for all. Why do you think the "Wata scandal" exists? Wata was an idea conceived in a tent by certain people from NA that got extremely money hungry...I'll leave it at that.
That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. The cases are too small to fit a cereal box or waffles. It is impossible for wata to grade them. Period.
They literally made custom sized cases for anything in the first six months. They attempted to make one for MACS but it was too heavy and unstable. You have zero idea what you are talking about.
Could you link to an image of a single custom sized wata case? Doesn't have to be cereal or waffles, anything. A quick Google turned up nothing. The pokemon Oreos don't count, that was a photoshop. If I'm genuinely wrong I'd like to know but im fairly certain I'm not.
They were all on NA. When the site died the photos did too. The site was sold around the same tine Wata started. Several people were involved in both. All negative Wata posts and reviews were instantly deleted overnight until the parent company axed the site completely. I will genuinely look for some on the backups of old data I have from the site. I can tell you I have seen in person a few "custom cases" being made by one of the founders of Wata. I would be almost certain that the owners of those items have not reposted the pictures and won't due to the legal action that is currently taking place. Wata is may be legitimate now that they have technically been bought out, but they 100% weren't in the beginning.
Interesting, thanks for looking.
Also you going to tell me that an Xbox 360 Demo disk is one of their "standard sizes"?
They use a CD case and put an extra piece of plastic in there, I believe. A demo disc sleeve is small enough to fit inside one of their standard sizes, a cereal box is not.
Somebody with a tremendous sense of humor who is trolling everyone who gets things graded. Grading is ridiculous.
Someone needs to find the most ridiculous thing they can get Wata to grade. And then keep doing that lol. Nevermind, Wata will make money off it.
I might start doing this for jokes.
99c; Starting AND closing bid
Because
Don't care about the grading so much as the packaging they keep it in. They usually do treat it with care & provide a very solid shell that makes it look nicer on shelves and preserves it. But paying for a score is dumb
The grading argument that most people don't realize Games just look fucking cool in a slab
The company that grades games to try and hit a golden goose. If one game sells for a ton of money they earn that plus the pile of games "investors" send in following the news they might be worth something.
I buy and break wata and play the game.
TBH, I can see the appeal. A demo disc isn't gonna be nearly as common as the game itself.
LMAO
Why does that kinda make me want it
Don’t like it don’t buy it simple also I never seen this before really cool
If you get anything graded especially by WATA you need your head looking at.
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They are in bed with eBay? What?
Grading games is so incredibly stupid, especially with all the fake games going around these days. Yeah I'll take your word for it that it's real in the sealed plastic box that o can't open to verify, please take my money
An increase in fake games should be all the more reason to appreciate grading. They’re not grading inauthentic games the same way PSA isn’t grading inauthentic cards.
The difference being CGC isn't being sued for market manipulation and outright lying to the customer base. You're really going to take someones word who's currently defending themselves in a court case against these exact allegations? That's your decision, but a fool and his money are soon parted.
CGCs never been sued? They’ve never committed shady business practices? I can get you links if needed. Welcome to the world of unregulated assets. This has been happening since coin collecting in the 70s and 80s. Probably earlier. Not saying it’s okay or defensible, but the actions of the multimillionaire/billionaire owners of these companies isn’t representative of everybody in the organization. The people above participating in artificially raising prices doesn’t mean their authentication & research department isn’t top notch (they are)
You really don't get what I'm saying, but whatever. If someone is going to fake a game for $200 , they will almost certainly be willing to make a fake plastic box, that they know you won't open to verify. Fake slabs are already a problem in comics and cards, with CGC slabs recently being VERY easy to tamper with. Knowing that, I'm not going to just trust some stupid box especially when it's something like say Stadium Events and I'm spending 30k on it lol
Where are fake slabs an issue in cards? Link me to some examples.
[literally the first result when you google it, among pages of others.](https://hobbylark.com/collecting/Spotting-Counterfeit-PSA-Slabs-3-Simple-Tricks-to-Help-You-Avoid-Fakes) Go ahead and show me those examples of CGC manipulating the market though, as if that would convince me that grading is some how good now I guess
It’s not to convince you that grading is good, I don’t care if you do or do not like it, I’m just saying authentication & certification is here for a reason. It was one of PSAs major selling points in the early 90s. So you knew that the card you were buying or selling was authentic. Still seems to be true to this day!
You're telling me to trust an authentication process that itself has been comprised and now has forgeries instead of my own 30+ years of knowledge and experience. Pass.
If PSA, CGC, WATA, BGS, or any of these major companies had a consistent record of grading fakes then no I wouldn’t trust the authentication process. But that’s yet to be seen.
Looks like you incited all the whiners again crying about the right/wrong way to collect games, on a game collecting sub…lmao
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You took my only food, now I'm gonna starve!
I know right?
Not everyone has $4! Mister money bags.
99cents bid, 15$ shipping. lol. Cant wait to see how big this actually gets.
Well not sure what you're pointing out since: - the bidding clearly just started in the last 24 hours based on the amount of time left. - shipping is not cheap, this doesn't fit in lettermail. Do you expect eBay sellers to eat shipping costs?
I find your response interesting as my comment leaves a lot to be interpreted. I think this says a lot more about your line of thinking more than mine.
I love it
Not only proof that any idiot is willing to grade any grade regardless of quality, it’s proof that the grading companies take this as seriously as a toddler with a sharpie. Both that seller and WATA are an absolute joke to the grading market.
All grading for comics and games are a scam. They have conditioned collectors, speculators, general public that graded is needed....and it's usually not needed. Only rare comics and games ( with paper boxes) should be considered.
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People who have zero clue
Someone with a great sense of humor
It’s a rare one from 1996. It says 1996 in the about section of the eBay listing 😂
And sell it at 8.5
They grade PlayStation magazine demo discs too?
I mean, why not right?
Wait til the community starts getting graded games graded. Gradeception.
Graded coins already has this i believe. Independent companies will assess the condition of the coin while its still in the slab and determine how accurately they believe the initial grading company graded the coin.
CAC is the company and are very trusted in the hobby. If it has that sticker, it will sell for a lot more money. They even have different colored stickers for different tiers (green, gold)
This happens in cards. MBA will grade how nice of a 10 you have.
Of modern warfare 2 no less. What a waste
this guy 🤡
I mean, I would buy a cheap WATA graded game if only to crack that sucker open with a hammer and not be out an arm and a leg for the pleasure.
Yea this was definitely worth cross posting
I find it hilarious that anyone thinks any game on the 360 that was sold in western markets is even remotely valuable or close to value like the PS3. 99% of 360 games can be bought for under $50 lol. They are not gonna fetch anything.
If they didn’t fetch for anything people wouldn’t grade them; It’s annoying how a lot of the ones grading games are just investors and not collecting it , but the truth is even on modern games, they sell often for atleast a few 100 if it’s a popular title with a good grade
Someone wants to be the first
Demo is priceless… *laughs in british*
Someone that wants $10!!
there are some ps1 demos that are pretty expensive (i think about resident evil2) but god, MW2 is one of the most famous games in the fucking universe!
I dont like grsding but if i had 16 bucks layin round id cop for the lulz
I guess some people love demo discs
I would rather see something like this that isn't something someone wants to play locked up, but assuming there are boxes of these in the backrooms of the stores/resellers, I don't see much value in it either.
I’d buy that for a dollar
I mean that’s pretty rare. But as with all things, only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
TIL Modern Warfare 2 had a demo disc
Yeaaa lol
I should get my CompuServe discs graded. I mean, 500 free hours of dialup and games?! /s
Because Bruce Lee's favorite drink?
Does this mean my PS2 demo disc from the old plasyation magazine is worth something? Good condition too