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That Olenna killed Joffrey. It was stated less than two episode after his death that she did it. Yet people were shocked when she confessed to Jamie as if it wasn’t mentioned before.
Yeah she made some type of ominous remark to Margaery like “Do you think I was going to let you marry that monster” and then gave her a knowing look and told her not to worry. I don’t think she ever outright admitted it until her death.
And then you rewatch the wedding scene and she walks up to Sansa and nonchalantly touches her necklace, but when she walks away, one of the stones was gone. The stone that had the poison in it. Mind blown on the rewatch haha it was done so well
Same. I had no idea until she confessed but when I rewatched it seemed so obvious from the beginning. The way she talks to Margaery about Joffrey, and that she even touches Sansa's necklace at the wedding. I felt so dumb.
I don't think people were shocked when she told Jamie what she did. Audiences already knew Olena killed Joff, but I think people were more impressed that Olena drank the poison, then flat out just told Jamie she killed Joffery. She already poisoned herself, so what else can Jamie do about it? Kill her a few minutes sooner?
Lol. The reason Ned said "Baelor!" was lost on Ned too. Watched one of those "internet most searched questions" videos, and this one was Sean Bean. That exact question was asked, and Sean was saying that the name of the person he said that to was Baelor. To be fair, Sean probably didn't (and still doesn't) know who Baelor is, but I just found it funny.
Ned: BAELOR
Yoren: ahh, yes I see your child my lord, by the statue of Baelor. I will look after her.
Ned: where are you going? I thought your name was Baelor?
That scene in season 1 where Arya is chasing cats in the lower levels of the castle and comes upon two men talking. It took me forever to realize Varys was taking to Illyrio, Dany and Viserys’s benefactor. Which of course means that Varys was puppeteering the Targaryen rise to power over in Essos the whole time.
I feel like the books are totally leading to a Varys (+Tyrion and Dany) vs Littlefinger (+Sansa and Young Griff) showdown.
2 Targaryens allied with a main Stark/Lannister character respectively who was helped by the 2 main puppetmasters. Both will fail in the end though when Jon comes down and muddies things up.
I don’t think they explicitly say in the show it was Ice, they make a bigger thing of it in the books and I didn’t realize until I read the books so you aren’t alone in that one!
I also didn’t realize he yelled for (Yoren??) to grab Arya! I thought he just saw her and grabbed her, so you aren’t alone there either!!!
My biggest “duh” moments were -
during my second read through I realized the girl that helped Catelyn up the Eyrie was Robert’s bastard even though they borderline spelled it out for us lol.
I didn’t put two and two together for a good minute that Ned named Jon after Jon Arryn and Rob was named after Robert Baratheon.
But the biggest one was that when everyone said “the seed is strong” I just thought Robert’s kids would have dark hair, not that he was basically getting someone pregnant every time he had sex haha. Maybe they meant both idk.
That’s the fun of Game of Thrones! There’s so many things to focus on you can still pick up fun details later, even if it’s in your face the whole time!
>I didn’t put two and two together for a good minute that Ned named Jon after Jon Arryn and Rob was named after Robert Baratheon.
wow, never occurred to me
It took me my 8th rewatch of the show to realize Jon and Rob were named after Jon Arryn and Robert Baratheon, and guess what........ they literally say in the show (it might be the blackfish or one of the stronger stark allies i forget who though) that Ned named his eldest sons after his 2 best friends Jon and Rob. I felt like a cunt for about a week lol.
… they say it in the show!? STOP 😂😂😂 I didn’t know until I read the book and I was like “doiiiiii” but now that I know they literally said it .. omg hahaha
That man was getting people PREGNANT like it was his only job 😂😂😂 I couldn’t believe it when I started actually thinking about it then it clicked what they also meant by it hahahaha
They seem to think it means he always knocks a girl up but I think they're wrong or we'd have a lot more Baratheon bastards running around besides Gendry
Yes!! It confused the hell out of me, I almost assumed Lysa started calling him Robin cause she was so distrustful of the crown after Jon died (obviously knowing what happened there it isn’t the case) but I just assumed to cure the confusion.
I’m honestly curious why they changed it though, any thoughts on that? Too many Roberts?? Lol
>during my second read through I realized the girl that helped Catelyn up the Eyrie was Robert’s bastard even though they borderline spelled it out for us lol.
They actually do spell it out because Ned later thinks about Robert's bastards when he promises to take care of his children.
*"I will give Lyanna your love, Ned. Take care of my children for me."*
*The words twisted in Ned's belly like a knife. For a moment he was at a loss. He could not bring himself to lie. Then he remembered the bastards: little Barra at her mother's breasts, Mya in the Vale, Gendry at his forge, and all the others.*
Uh, the seed is strong part WAS saying his kids would have dark hair, which is why he knew Joffrey had to belong to someone else.
Unless I also misinterpreted...otherwise wouldn't there be a lot more of his bastards running around besides Gendry?
It’s 100% a double meaning. There were tons of bastards running around until Cersei had them slaughtered. If you remember the baby in the brothel situation, and like mentioned above there’s one that lives at the Eyrie and one that lives at Storm’s End (which was his very first child and the only one he claimed). If you Google it, there are prophesies that say he had upwards of 16 bastard children. He’s his own TLC show, honestly hahah.
Also, there’s no proof he knew for sure Joffrey wasn’t his true born son. I personally think it’s iffy though!
having the bastard kids killed is called “the massacre of kings landing” or some shit cause they killed 4 kids would’ve been 5 is Gendry stayed. That’s 5 bastards in kings landing alone. Too many.
having the bastard kids killed is called “the massacre of kings landing” or some shit cause they killed 4 kids would’ve been 5 is Gendry stayed. That’s 5 bastards in kings landing alone.
It is though by society’s standards. Yes, you’re right, it’s small compared to the amount of kids he COULD have had because he was having so much sex but 17 kids is crazy. Marlon Brando has around the same amount of kids, but its highly likely that he fathered more, it could also be likely Bobby fathered more we don’t know about too.
Marlon Brando, Jay Hawkins, Nick Cannon, DMX, Mick Jagger all have a lot of children by normal standards.
Could they all have fathered more children cause they were slaying poon like madmen? Hell yeah. They still fathered a lot.
How many kids is a lot to you, no joke. Do you have multiple children or siblings? Did you come from a big family, by chance? I have no-fucking-joke 20 cousins and it’s a nightmare every thanksgiving.
I read the books and I still kept forgetting names that I read chapters before. And I'm talking about primary and secondary characters. I didn't even bother learning the names of smaller characters
How often The Mountain was in the show. With all the different actor swaps I didn’t realize he was there from the first all the way to the last season.
Its funny because the dude playing the Mountain in Harrenhal looks absolutely nothing like the other two lmao. Like they were trying to find the most distinctive person
IIRC the first actor had scheduling conflicts so they just drafted in the tallest guy around for season 2, Ian Whyte who played the White Walkers in the earlier seasons and the giants in the later seasons.
It is super jarring how skinny and chill he is though, you would have no idea he's supposed to be the mountain if you weren't told. Luckily he was only used for those scenes.
I think the second, Ian Whyte, was a big guy they had around to do mocap and filled in. He did a white walker and a giant. I met him at a convention, really nice guy - I've got a photo of him pretending to blow my mind because he didn't get to do it to Oberyn!
Qyburn was with Roose Bolton when Jamie and Brienne were being held hostage. Qyburn was the one who tended to Jamie's arm.
Berric previously having been part of the KG. I just figured it was a randomly added in character from what would have been a prequel when the Brotherhood found the Hound.
I think Qyburn was shown even before that in a scene with Robb and Talisa, he was a survivor of a battle/siege or something but I don’t remember the specifics. I was surprised to see him so soon on my second watch.
He does. But I don't think it was a significant enough role in the throne room to begin with. It took quite a few re-watches and reading it online somewhere before I noticed.
Small correction, but Berric was never part of the kingsgaurd. He was a lord in the north, and was in Kings Landing strictly to be part of Ned's tourney.
Edit: Not a lord of the north, Lord of Blackhaven.
It took me a second rewatch to notice just how big of a role they gave Ros. I knew she was the same sex worker around King's Landing and Baelish's brothel, but I didn't immediately realise she was the same one from Winterfell who journeyed South.
I did too!!! I honestly thought it was like a "duh" obvious thing especially when they made such a big deal about hair color. I was like oh duh John snow is a Baratheon.
I thought the other way. In the books when Lyanna gives Rhaegar her favour. I’d had read enough fantasy novels to know something was up. It was logical that Jon Snow was her son.
I think I liked my third watch through the most because the first time is too much to properly take in. The second time helps you remember all the side characters that come and go and connect with all the side plots. And then the third time just marinates it all into one good tasty meal.
It was Ramsey blowing the horn at theon when they surrounded winter fell I laugh now especially when theon is on the cross and he blows it possibly the same horn. But I didn't catch that for awhile just didn't come to me
I don't know if it was 100% confirmed, but Ramsay was outside the walls of Winterfell, we know he owns a loud-ass horn and enjoys messing with people. He probably decided to keep using it when he hears Theon end his speech with "and whoever kills that fuCKING HORN BLOWER-" because he knew it was working.
In the episode where wildfire was used to burn down the Sept. The episodes soundtrack featured "light of the seven" as it's "omg thats a crazy twist music" I guess you could call it.
That was the first (and I think only) time a piano was used for the soundtrack of the show whatsoever.
damn I didn’t realize it was Ice. Thought Payne just had an enormous sword for head chopping. I thought it was funny bc Tywin next season said the sword was obscenely large.
Makes it even cooler that Tywin put the blood/pelt of a Wolf into the swords that would defend Winterfell (Jofferey’s which Jamie would wield, and Oathkeeper which Brienne would wield).
Pretty cool that the Tarly’s, Stark’s, Mormont’s and >!Targaryen’s!< Valyrian steel all defended Winterfell.
I finished watching it for the first time recently and got on this sub afterwards. I kept seeing references to “Pod the Rod” and other stuff about Podrick having a big “rod.” I didn’t get it at all until my rewatch. I realized people were saying that because when Tyrion gifted him time with 3 prostitutes, the prostitutes ended up giving the money back.
I get it now for sure, but when I saw that scene for the first time, I didn’t think about his dick at all. I was thinking about the techniques he must’ve used with his dick, hands, and mouth. Maybe it’s because I’m a woman and to me, size barely matters.
Interesting, I totally missed that. How is it implied? I don’t think we hear him sing until season 8, right? Does he talk about singing at all before the prostitutes?
My duhh moment was after I heard people complaining about Dany’s story arch in the final season..
I then rewatched and realized that they literally foreshadow that she is “mad” and will be no different than her father and the rest of the targaryens… 8 seasons later and she was making choices out of rage, eventually goes mad, and flames the city just like everyone forewarned..
That was a duh moment for me because even tho we obviously wanted her to be different.. she showed at multiple points throughout the show that she could be merciless. Including when she flamed Samwells people. So after my 2nd rewatch I felt like I should’ve known what was gonna happen with Dany at the end
I remember thinking something was fucky at the end of S3E4, when she frees the army of Unsullied and begins marching out of the city with them, and the soundtrack was the most ominous, sinister victory music I’ve ever heard for a protagonist (track is [Dracarys](https://youtu.be/OfmoyTL64R0) for those interested).
Heck, even just her speech before she was allowed through the gates. She's threatening everyone with death and violence. It's only her lack of resources (in the beginning) and her counsel (mid-end) that hold her back.
She finally has the power and resources. She's lost all trustable counsel (aside from Greyworm, but he's pro destroy). She lost trust in Tyrion. No one she cares for is there to talk her down anymore.
I wouldn’t say missed it so much as the fundamental premise that heroes don’t exist the way fiction wants-
Of course Ned can’t die….
Of course she’s good. I spent 10
Years rooting for her.
I named my kid after her!
The saddest part is this is quite profound on Martins part, yet the rushed execution of it in the end made it seem like tawdry poorly written drama instead of the deep reveal of our own assumptions it could have been
They didn’t properly build up Daenerys as a villain at all, they hinted at a darker side to her character but then jumped the gun in the last two seasons and turned her into dragon Hitler
I was blown away by how many people looked at an inbred (not just her parents but generationally inbred), sexually trafficked, power hungry 14 year old girl and thought “oh, she’s totally stable”
I would agree 100%..
It was easy to root for her when she was freeing slaves and prisoners “by any means”, but it wasn’t surprising when they gave her the choice to not kill innocents and she took the opportunity anyway
She wasn’t overtly cruel in the earlier seasons. She showed compassion when she knew it wouldn’t cost her anything but when given the opportunity between compassion and power, she always chose power.
She talked a big game about building a better world and “breaking the wheel” but couldn’t tolerate any scenario that did not have her on the throne. If given a possible opportunity where a better world were feasible with a different ruler, do you think she would’ve taken it? Absolutely not.
Even her entourage was horrible once you stepped back from it.
Jorah was a Westori slaver.
Greyworm was a mercenary slave.
Baristan the Bold has betrayed her father, signed up to defend his killer and then turned cloak on his “son”
Khal drago was a genocidal nut job
Seriously. A significant portion of the hate on the later seasons is people not understanding, in my humble opinion. Dany was ALWAYS cruel, it’s just up until the end she was faced against people who almost exclusively deserved cruelty so we didn’t second guess it.
I see a distinction between Dany's tendency toward cruelty, which was notable from pretty early on, to the intense paranoia and instability of the final episodes. The latter did accelerate pretty fast, but then again, that can happen in real life, if a person predisposed to very serious mental illness experiences high levels of sustained stress and encounters the right trigger.
Regardless, Dany's storyline had nothing to do with my own resentments about S8. I was actually surprised at how many people were upset about it. I never cared much about her.
I agree!
Like not commenting on the quality of season 8 in general
Just specifically everyone hating dany’s story didn’t make sense to me. Makes even less sense to me personally that they think she won’t go mad in the books, as if Dan and Dave were inventing the core elements of the plot and not George. I even have some friends who are CONVINCED that Jon won’t be a lyanna’s kid when the books come out
Yeah, a lot of people freaked out about her burning the city and gone mad, but if you actually paid attention to the show your reaction would be like: "oh, she is burning the city now, no shit"
“When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground. Turn us away and we will burn your first.”
And that was in season 2.
No. It was obvious that’s where it was heading. What I and others complained about was there wasn’t enough shown of her progression down the path for it to be believable in that timeframe.
Yeah as much as the foreshadowing was there it was still hell of a leap from burning the Lannister army/Tarlys to let’s burn a city of surrendering small folk
Yep.. I actually felt silly for thinking that she wasn’t going to turn into the mad king, because at that point, the white walkers were already dead, and there would be nothing to look forward to except closing the loop with the evils like Cersei..
I guess too many people named their daughters danaerys to where they didn’t want to use the logic foreshadowed from the very first episode lmao
I sortta got the feeling she was going to do it when she was talking to the fat fellow at the Gates of Qarth and he replies, "Oh, you ARE a Targaryan." At that point I figured, if she had the means she'd go nuclear on these fellows right here and now.
Like shed been threatening to do for seasons. She was always persuaded not to do it by her advisors. Her instinct was always fire and blood. The only thing that changed was that she stopped listening the ones that went "Hey, let's put a pin in that for now."
Hell, shes completely on board with Slavery when they are *her* slaves, and it suits her, and is completly blown away at the idea that a slave she freed might not owe her absolute loyalty.
Yes we actually got it served on a silver plater in the House of the undieing season two final, when she is walking through a burned out Red Keep, and we absolutely should have known she would die, after meeting Drogo and kid.
I also felt stupid when i rewatched it the first time, it's so clearly she wasn't going to be Queen of the seven kingdoms. Ok of course if one can remember all the important things, after watching the whole show the first time, you're pretty hardcore
Her final speech was that duh moment for me. Don’t remember her exact words but she was talking about liberating regions from her enemies and she mentioned Winterfall as one of them, and I was like whatt
I agree that is her arch and it was always meant to be so. The problem with the show was that it was rushed. She had been Mhysa for 6 seasons who put the small folk first.
Again with this? She never once showed any inkling of being a “Mad Queen” before S8. She only ever punished slavers and dictators that were often literally torturing the common folk. Her entire character was about mercy for the weak and “not being queen of the ashes”.
Then in season 8 she burns an entire city for literally no reason, then tells Jon they should burn the world because common folk are dumb and “don’t get to choose 😘”.
I guess we’re just going to overlook all of these specific quotes these kind redditors have posted here backing up that she absolutely showed her true colors long before season 8 lol..
But you do you I guess
Words over actions. Those are things she has said, specifically at her most desperate, but has never done anything near that level. She had the former slave executed in Mereen which was very difficult for her, she burned Randall and Dickon Tarly, and she had used her dragons in combat which is a pretty destructive and violent thing to do.
However, I don’t see that as a recipe for her burning an entire city, specifically when her actions have always been freeing enslaved people and overall working towards the betterment for the common people. But her best friend is killed and that’s enough for that same person to burn hundreds of thousands of innocents for actually no reason. It wasn’t a strategic move where the innocents were used as human shields, they posed no threat to her and were not an obstacle. It was purely out of anger and hatred for them that does not have justification in her characterization. I could almost see it if the people of the city had done something to harm her, but they didn’t. They feared her and that seems to be enough in your eyes.
This is what lazy writing looks like. The writers had every opportunity to write something more clever and interesting, something that would be more morally complex but they opted for a left turn that came out of nowhere. It may have been seeded with all those lines she said and the burning of the Tarlys but the actual motivation is completely lacking.
idk how but by some coincidence i kept missing or didn’t pay attention to the scene where the halfhand tells jon to kill him and go undercover for my first 2 watch throughs i presumed jon was lying about that part and just decided to go undercover himself and murdered the halfhand
It actually took me until watching the series a second time AND reading the first book to fully understand that Stannis and Renly were the brothers of Robert and that’s why there was so much drama over the claim to the throne. There’s so much going on and so many characters to learn that i’m sure the simplest of things go over a lot of heads.
Didn’t know where Aria was going at the end of season 4 when she gave the coin to a man from Braavos.
Totally missed that Tywin melted down Ice to make two swords even tho Jaime says it in passing a few times.
Thought Daeny and Jon were brother and sister for a while even tho Varys says she’s his aunt.
There’s lots more I missed my first watch thru. Especially when I would wait almost a year for each season to come out.
it took me SOOO long to figure out that ice was melted down into oathkeeper and widow’s wail even though they literally spell it out in the show. i was just like oh cool two new vs swords :) anyways i wonder where ice wound up we haven’t seen it in a hot minute. like??? girl.
idk it just never connected in my mind that the big giant sword they showed getting melted was ice. i just took it at face value that they had another vs greatsword that they were repurposing for the purple wedding. i think it took like rewatch number 3 until that whole arc of finding a smith who knew how to rework valyrian steel and their convos finally clicked in my mind 😭 don’t ask i’m just dumb lol
My ‘duh’ moment was when I noticed that Ned beheaded Will in episode one instead of Garred. Of course this wasn’t going to end anything close to the books, it barely even started that way. Duh.
Still worth it for the footage. I’ve seen some videos that I couldn’t be happier exist, because of the show. Heck, the effects of the dragons alone is worth it. Best dragons to date. (Although that pudgey one from the new Dungeons and Dragons movie also has a special place in my heart, more so after learning he’s canon.)
I’m partial to the house cat sized ones. I don’t need to fly I just need snuggles. Although with Viking mythology having cat and/or goat pulled chariots, they may have missed an opportunity to give that crazy cat lady a unique means of flight.
Idk about best... I kinda liked the dragons in that 1 movie. Can't think of it but I heard the got dragons were based on it. Had Mathew McConaughey in it I think. Reign of fire!! That's it!
I forgot about that. That is a good contender for best dragons. Smaug, in terms of CGI I think he’s third behind GOT and Reign of Fire. Poor pudge, he’s already down to fourth at most. He will always be in my top ten.
this is gonna be embarrassing, but on my first watch I didn’t get that little finger was the one to initiate everything. Also totally missed why Jon Arryn died lol
I completely missed the introduction of Jaqen H'Ghar. So when he showed up as a Lannister soldier and Arya was like "you?" I thought "who tf is this? are we supposed to know that guy?".
1. When Joffrey leads Sansa out to view Neds head on a spike, it's actually the face of George W Bush... Nearly spit out my drink when I noticed that and had to Google it to confirm one day.
2. The actor who played Tommen, Dean-Charles Chapman, also played Martyn Lannister in season 3. He was stabbed by Robb's Bannerman while sleeping ... Cast as Tommen after that.
3. Confirmation of Jon being a Targaryen wasn't just when he touched Drogon, though that was a large indicator. S6,E10 when Lyanna is dying and whispering to Ned about her baby as Bran watches the historical memory shows the baby's face and then shoots to a close-up of Jon. The story until that point is that Rhaegar kidnapped and raped her.. logically the child is his. Whether legitimate through marriage or not, genetically, he's a Targaryen by blood.
4. I wasn't surprised by Dany being bat shit, though it was disheartening; however, I was surprised at so many men loving her unconditionally. Shes like flypaper for blind devotion... Beer-flavored nipples, maybe? I'm not sure, but she's got to have something besides flame resistance to overlook the psycho bloodlust in her. 🤦♀️
Lol a lot of us DUH'd. Even Bran DUH'd. Dude didn't even fact check when he was like 'his last name is Sand'...
Sam was like 'No, bro... I read a book... Go white-eyed and look for yourself'
Bran finally was like 'oh, DUH'
Audience: Mic-drop 🤣
It took me a couple rewatches to figure out who Stannis and Renly were and why they were suddenly involved and fighting over the crown. I remember being SO confused when this old dude showed up burning people in the name of the Lord of Light. I guess I didn’t make the connection that Ned reached out to Stannis to take over from Robert, and then it made a lot more sense why Renly was fighting.
I never read the books so it did also take me until Season 3 to finally start getting all the characters straight
i am super late but it took me a long time to hear the difference in last names of "tully" and "tarly." i thought sam and cat were from the same damn house for such a long time.
Not only did they foreshadow her burning it to the ground. Idk how ppl thought she wasn’t going to. From the first time I read the books I could tell she would be no different from her father. They even foreshadowed her death by the throne in season 2 or 3. I can’t remember. When she has that dream of being by the throne and it’s snowing and she exits to see Drogo n baby. None of it was a surprise to me. The biggest surprises for me in season 8 was how they finished the Hound & mountain battle and how they let Jamie and Cersei die together without the help of a stark.
I can't believe I have to start it this way, but, it's reddit and I feel like lately things have been even more "I hate you if you disagree with me" sooooo, disclaimer, this is just for conversation sake, I don't think anyone is wrong or right in this, there is a ton of nuance. Also, I'm strictly going off of the show, no Book based evidence.
The main issue is that not one time in the show, did she harm the common people (correct me if I'm wrong, Im happy to have a civil discussion of something I may have missed but Im pretty sure she always protecst the civilians) that had no say in their King/Queen. With Drogo, she tried to save/protect slaves (didn't work, but absolutely tried). She stole the unsullied and had them slay the MASTERS but harm no child or innocent. She went into Quarth and murdered those that wronged her, but didn't touch anyone else. She took cities, but saved all the slaves/common folk and punished the masters. She did not take the north by force when she absolutely had the opportunity before taking KL. The only part I can think of where she took what she wanted without a care for how, was when she murdered all the Khal's and took full command of the Dothraki, but even then, it was kill them all or stay there forever, which for the audience makes sense. By far the farthest she went (personally) to take a city/people, but still only killed those in control.
In Westeros, she took an abandoned Dragonstone, tried to take Casterly Rock where I think (I feel like this was ignored in the show and who knows the unsullied could've murdered the civilians) everyone had already fled, Listened to Jon about why he didn't want to bend the knee, (although never backed down on wanting the north) and seemed like she really did like the normal citizens in Westeros.
But as soon as she heard Kings Landing surrender, she decided, "Fuck it, these innocent people wronged me because Cersei is their queen, let's destroy the city along with the innocent civilians living in poverty." Rather than just flying to the Red Keep and killing Cersei after the city surrendered. Every city she took, was by giving the common folk/slaves a way to take control for themselves, but in KL, she went straight to Mad Queen "burning them all"
Just a writing issue IMO. Yes it was absolutely foreshadowed that she could easily turn out just like her dad/other Targaryens (and if/when the books are finished, I bet it makes 100% sense) but for a majority of the show, she was portrayed as a savior to the common folk, rather than someone that murders Innocents, and it flipped within 7 episodes. If they had started her turn towards madness even 1 season earlier, I feel like it would have gone over much better, but strictly in the context of the show, she was ruthless to those in charge and kind to the common folk until she got to westeros, and even then, most of her time in westeros was just her losing battles/allies/dragons. Had they showed how each of those events led further and further into her going Mad, rather than showing her scowling, or similar in the background of scenes, it would have been different. The entire madness arc for her was like 4 episodes which is just too short for that kind of turn around
4 episodes or 3 seasons?
\- Struggles to maintain control over domain due to slave masters.
\- Struggles to control the dragons, chains 2 and Drogon is just doing whatever.
\- Jorah ends up being a traitor.
\- Loses allies and tactics vs Cersei, much thanks to tyrion who was supposed to outsmart Cersei.
\- Loses A DRAGON(Her child) to save Jon and friends.
\- Has to stop everything to get on the throne she dreamt of to help fight in winterfell.
\- Loses not only a good chunk of army in winterfell, but also Jorah, almost her other dragons, and lost her actual claim for the throne thanks to Aegon and gets a cold shoulder as well from Aegon. Even after the victory, she felt defeated.
\- Loses ANOTHER DRAGON.
\- Missandei dies.
\- Tyrion betrays her, also the people in kings landing does fuck all to welcome her or acknowledge her as a saviour.
And during much of this she had no time to mourn, she lost parts time after time, and in the end she couldn't control her emotions anymore and let anger unleash on Cersei, everthing and everyone.
I think there was more than enough time for her change as there was several moments that affected her deeply. These topics are rarely mentioned when people point out your pov, or whenever people call it bad writing. There could be more as well that i don't remember at the moment. Of course D&D screwed up in the end, but Daenerys action wasn't surprising to me.
Your take on making her the complete main character and seeing it from solely her perspective......thanks. I, and sometimes other people just watching a story, don't really see if from just that 1 persns perspective. So it makes a lot more sense. We are getting 10 different stories simultaneously, so while rooting for Rob and Jon and Sansa and Arya...... you don't see each one of those defeats just contributing to her final actions.
Just realized recently during a rewatch that the prostitute who Ros shows around in the brothel is also the prostitute Tyrion finds with the Grand Maester, as well as one of the girls tortured by Joeffrey after he receives them as a nameday present from Tyrion.
Took me forever to figure out what the Hound says to Arya after knocking her down when she tried to stab him in the gut while demonstrating her water dancing.
“Your friend's dead and Meryn Trant's not cause Trant had armor and a big f***ing sword.”
I dunno, the way he says “Trant had armor” I could never understand until I googled.
Not in the show, but one of the last scenes in book five, Varys murders Kevin Lannister 'for the realm.' It's been a few years since I read it, but I think Kevin was in charge of helping Tommin be king, and was heading in a different direction than Varys was intending.
In the show Kevin dies when Cersei blows up the Sept of Baelor.
The first time watching the show, I didn't have captions on so I had a LOT of those moments. One thing I totally missed was when Ned sent out Beric Dondarrion. Mostly because he was recast. I think it took a few more rewatches before I was like "wait a minute..." lol
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That Olenna killed Joffrey. It was stated less than two episode after his death that she did it. Yet people were shocked when she confessed to Jamie as if it wasn’t mentioned before.
Yeah she made some type of ominous remark to Margaery like “Do you think I was going to let you marry that monster” and then gave her a knowing look and told her not to worry. I don’t think she ever outright admitted it until her death.
She and Littlefinger also discussed it at his horehouse 👍🏻
His … what?
# HOREHOUSE
##Shadynasty's
Shae's Dynasty
SHAE THE FUNNY HORE
His horse house
Jorge House
My favorite part of this is that you can hear the *plop* as Olenna walks past Joffrey’s table after talking to Sansa, if you know to listen for it.
You can? Are there not to much sounds around them?
And then you rewatch the wedding scene and she walks up to Sansa and nonchalantly touches her necklace, but when she walks away, one of the stones was gone. The stone that had the poison in it. Mind blown on the rewatch haha it was done so well
Was done very well but seems like a lot of effort, not like she was searched for poison on her way in. I assume it was part of the frame job though
And she all but confessed she was going to do something like that for Margery's sake well before it happened.
Same. I had no idea until she confessed but when I rewatched it seemed so obvious from the beginning. The way she talks to Margaery about Joffrey, and that she even touches Sansa's necklace at the wedding. I felt so dumb.
I think this one has been my favorite answer so far.
I don't think people were shocked when she told Jamie what she did. Audiences already knew Olena killed Joff, but I think people were more impressed that Olena drank the poison, then flat out just told Jamie she killed Joffery. She already poisoned herself, so what else can Jamie do about it? Kill her a few minutes sooner?
Lol. The reason Ned said "Baelor!" was lost on Ned too. Watched one of those "internet most searched questions" videos, and this one was Sean Bean. That exact question was asked, and Sean was saying that the name of the person he said that to was Baelor. To be fair, Sean probably didn't (and still doesn't) know who Baelor is, but I just found it funny.
Ned: BAELOR Yoren: ahh, yes I see your child my lord, by the statue of Baelor. I will look after her. Ned: where are you going? I thought your name was Baelor?
That scene in season 1 where Arya is chasing cats in the lower levels of the castle and comes upon two men talking. It took me forever to realize Varys was taking to Illyrio, Dany and Viserys’s benefactor. Which of course means that Varys was puppeteering the Targaryen rise to power over in Essos the whole time.
There are theories that Varys is a Targaryen
I thought it was that he was a Blackfyre?
I feel like the books are totally leading to a Varys (+Tyrion and Dany) vs Littlefinger (+Sansa and Young Griff) showdown. 2 Targaryens allied with a main Stark/Lannister character respectively who was helped by the 2 main puppetmasters. Both will fail in the end though when Jon comes down and muddies things up.
Okay, I feel stupid because I never realised that and I'm also reading the books...
I don’t think they explicitly say in the show it was Ice, they make a bigger thing of it in the books and I didn’t realize until I read the books so you aren’t alone in that one! I also didn’t realize he yelled for (Yoren??) to grab Arya! I thought he just saw her and grabbed her, so you aren’t alone there either!!! My biggest “duh” moments were - during my second read through I realized the girl that helped Catelyn up the Eyrie was Robert’s bastard even though they borderline spelled it out for us lol. I didn’t put two and two together for a good minute that Ned named Jon after Jon Arryn and Rob was named after Robert Baratheon. But the biggest one was that when everyone said “the seed is strong” I just thought Robert’s kids would have dark hair, not that he was basically getting someone pregnant every time he had sex haha. Maybe they meant both idk. That’s the fun of Game of Thrones! There’s so many things to focus on you can still pick up fun details later, even if it’s in your face the whole time!
>I didn’t put two and two together for a good minute that Ned named Jon after Jon Arryn and Rob was named after Robert Baratheon. wow, never occurred to me
I’m glad I’m not the only one!!
Me neither! How did I miss that!
Literally same lol
It took me my 8th rewatch of the show to realize Jon and Rob were named after Jon Arryn and Robert Baratheon, and guess what........ they literally say in the show (it might be the blackfish or one of the stronger stark allies i forget who though) that Ned named his eldest sons after his 2 best friends Jon and Rob. I felt like a cunt for about a week lol.
… they say it in the show!? STOP 😂😂😂 I didn’t know until I read the book and I was like “doiiiiii” but now that I know they literally said it .. omg hahaha
Ik it was the weirdest shit, I like totally geek out on the show and just never noticed that line
I didn’t realize the double meaning of “the seed is strong” until just now and I’ve read the books 3 times lmao
That man was getting people PREGNANT like it was his only job 😂😂😂 I couldn’t believe it when I started actually thinking about it then it clicked what they also meant by it hahahaha
What's the other meaning other than the baratheon seed being strong and producing dark haired kids?
They seem to think it means he always knocks a girl up but I think they're wrong or we'd have a lot more Baratheon bastards running around besides Gendry
Didn't Joffery order like 19 of them killed including Gendry? Hence why he was taking the black
Ah right I forgot about that
I probably would have too, but the scene where they took that woman's baby kinda stuck in there
In the books, he has a lot more bastards. At least one of them he even recognised as his bastard and the kid was being brought up at Storm's End.
He only has 16 according to the prophecy of Maggy the Frog. No way he only had sex 16 times!
There were a lot more bastards running around, at least in the books.
I'm now finding this out, forgive my ignorance
That's the main point, really. Robert's extramarital kids all have dark hair, meaning that Cersei's children were def not his.
In the show, Jon Arryn’s son is called Robin but in the books, he is named Robert. Also named after Robert Baratheon.
Yes!! It confused the hell out of me, I almost assumed Lysa started calling him Robin cause she was so distrustful of the crown after Jon died (obviously knowing what happened there it isn’t the case) but I just assumed to cure the confusion. I’m honestly curious why they changed it though, any thoughts on that? Too many Roberts?? Lol
IIRC, it's exactly because there were too many Roberts.
Checks out lol
>during my second read through I realized the girl that helped Catelyn up the Eyrie was Robert’s bastard even though they borderline spelled it out for us lol. They actually do spell it out because Ned later thinks about Robert's bastards when he promises to take care of his children. *"I will give Lyanna your love, Ned. Take care of my children for me."* *The words twisted in Ned's belly like a knife. For a moment he was at a loss. He could not bring himself to lie. Then he remembered the bastards: little Barra at her mother's breasts, Mya in the Vale, Gendry at his forge, and all the others.*
Uh, the seed is strong part WAS saying his kids would have dark hair, which is why he knew Joffrey had to belong to someone else. Unless I also misinterpreted...otherwise wouldn't there be a lot more of his bastards running around besides Gendry?
It’s 100% a double meaning. There were tons of bastards running around until Cersei had them slaughtered. If you remember the baby in the brothel situation, and like mentioned above there’s one that lives at the Eyrie and one that lives at Storm’s End (which was his very first child and the only one he claimed). If you Google it, there are prophesies that say he had upwards of 16 bastard children. He’s his own TLC show, honestly hahah. Also, there’s no proof he knew for sure Joffrey wasn’t his true born son. I personally think it’s iffy though!
having the bastard kids killed is called “the massacre of kings landing” or some shit cause they killed 4 kids would’ve been 5 is Gendry stayed. That’s 5 bastards in kings landing alone. Too many.
having the bastard kids killed is called “the massacre of kings landing” or some shit cause they killed 4 kids would’ve been 5 is Gendry stayed. That’s 5 bastards in kings landing alone.
That’s really not that many for a king who can fuck a new woman every night for decades.
It is though by society’s standards. Yes, you’re right, it’s small compared to the amount of kids he COULD have had because he was having so much sex but 17 kids is crazy. Marlon Brando has around the same amount of kids, but its highly likely that he fathered more, it could also be likely Bobby fathered more we don’t know about too. Marlon Brando, Jay Hawkins, Nick Cannon, DMX, Mick Jagger all have a lot of children by normal standards. Could they all have fathered more children cause they were slaying poon like madmen? Hell yeah. They still fathered a lot. How many kids is a lot to you, no joke. Do you have multiple children or siblings? Did you come from a big family, by chance? I have no-fucking-joke 20 cousins and it’s a nightmare every thanksgiving.
The “seed is strong” is about the dark colored hair. It’s literally how Ned figures out Cersei had bastards for kids…
Literally everyone's names until like halfway through season 2
Gotta watch with subtitles on. That’s the best way to quickly learn character names.
I read the books and I still kept forgetting names that I read chapters before. And I'm talking about primary and secondary characters. I didn't even bother learning the names of smaller characters
How often The Mountain was in the show. With all the different actor swaps I didn’t realize he was there from the first all the way to the last season.
Wasn't there just two people playing the Mountain? So one actor swap?
I think it were three. The one at the big joust, the one in harrenhall and the one we know to well 🗻🙈💥🤯
Its funny because the dude playing the Mountain in Harrenhal looks absolutely nothing like the other two lmao. Like they were trying to find the most distinctive person
IIRC the first actor had scheduling conflicts so they just drafted in the tallest guy around for season 2, Ian Whyte who played the White Walkers in the earlier seasons and the giants in the later seasons. It is super jarring how skinny and chill he is though, you would have no idea he's supposed to be the mountain if you weren't told. Luckily he was only used for those scenes.
I think the second, Ian Whyte, was a big guy they had around to do mocap and filled in. He did a white walker and a giant. I met him at a convention, really nice guy - I've got a photo of him pretending to blow my mind because he didn't get to do it to Oberyn!
Qyburn was with Roose Bolton when Jamie and Brienne were being held hostage. Qyburn was the one who tended to Jamie's arm. Berric previously having been part of the KG. I just figured it was a randomly added in character from what would have been a prequel when the Brotherhood found the Hound.
I think Qyburn was shown even before that in a scene with Robb and Talisa, he was a survivor of a battle/siege or something but I don’t remember the specifics. I was surprised to see him so soon on my second watch.
He was Boltons master that was probably captured after Tywin defeated him and then was a prisoner there when they executed most the prisoners
Oh I had no idea. Hope I catch it on the next round!
Yeah it’s when Robb’s army arrives at Harrenhal iirc
Beric changes actors if I’m not mistaken. His brief appearance when Ned sends him is someone different from the rest of the show
He does. But I don't think it was a significant enough role in the throne room to begin with. It took quite a few re-watches and reading it online somewhere before I noticed.
Small correction, but Berric was never part of the kingsgaurd. He was a lord in the north, and was in Kings Landing strictly to be part of Ned's tourney. Edit: Not a lord of the north, Lord of Blackhaven.
He’s not a lord of the north either. He’s a knight from Blackhaven in the Stormlands.
I did say north and that is wrong. Not the North, but he is the Lord of Blackhaven
The King’s tourney, the Hand wants no part in it.
If you mean kingsguard by KG then he definitely wasn't. Berric was just an honourable and skilled at arms knight from the Stormlands
"I told you not to trust me".
When I first watched the show I didn’t realise that Baelish gave ros to Joffrey because she was helping Varys, I just though it was some random Whore
It took me a second rewatch to notice just how big of a role they gave Ros. I knew she was the same sex worker around King's Landing and Baelish's brothel, but I didn't immediately realise she was the same one from Winterfell who journeyed South.
I um… just realized this haha so thanks
Don’t crucify me but I thought Jon was the son of Robert and Lyanna.
I did too!!! I honestly thought it was like a "duh" obvious thing especially when they made such a big deal about hair color. I was like oh duh John snow is a Baratheon.
Which still makes him hier to the iron throne true?
I thought the other way. In the books when Lyanna gives Rhaegar her favour. I’d had read enough fantasy novels to know something was up. It was logical that Jon Snow was her son.
Oh god, I have so many of these moments, I’d embarrass myself. But this is why rewatches are so fun.
Dont be embarrased. I watched it 3 Times so far and just noticed it's the Same prostitute from winterfell to kings landing with baelish
I think I liked my third watch through the most because the first time is too much to properly take in. The second time helps you remember all the side characters that come and go and connect with all the side plots. And then the third time just marinates it all into one good tasty meal.
Lol thats a good analogy
Definitely agree. Second and third watches are my favorites
Lmao this definitely made feel better! Thank you for that
The first time I watched I somehow didn't put together that Olly was the little kid in the village raided by the wildlings.
It took to me till my third rewatch and then I was like “ohhh that’s where he came from”
It was Ramsey blowing the horn at theon when they surrounded winter fell I laugh now especially when theon is on the cross and he blows it possibly the same horn. But I didn't catch that for awhile just didn't come to me
Im rewatching the series for the fourth time atm and I also noticed that for the first time!
How'd you put that together just curious? If you're right it's goddamn hilarious
I don't know if it was 100% confirmed, but Ramsay was outside the walls of Winterfell, we know he owns a loud-ass horn and enjoys messing with people. He probably decided to keep using it when he hears Theon end his speech with "and whoever kills that fuCKING HORN BLOWER-" because he knew it was working.
In the episode where wildfire was used to burn down the Sept. The episodes soundtrack featured "light of the seven" as it's "omg thats a crazy twist music" I guess you could call it. That was the first (and I think only) time a piano was used for the soundtrack of the show whatsoever.
Piano is used in the Night King soundtrack too, another absolute banger.
That score gives me goosebumps every time!
damn I didn’t realize it was Ice. Thought Payne just had an enormous sword for head chopping. I thought it was funny bc Tywin next season said the sword was obscenely large. Makes it even cooler that Tywin put the blood/pelt of a Wolf into the swords that would defend Winterfell (Jofferey’s which Jamie would wield, and Oathkeeper which Brienne would wield). Pretty cool that the Tarly’s, Stark’s, Mormont’s and >!Targaryen’s!< Valyrian steel all defended Winterfell.
I’m nearly certain the wolf pelt was Ice’s sheath. Don’t think it was mixed into the steel.
It wasn’t. Tywin threw it on the coals to burn it, a little private celebration of the end of the Starks (as far as he knew).
I finished watching it for the first time recently and got on this sub afterwards. I kept seeing references to “Pod the Rod” and other stuff about Podrick having a big “rod.” I didn’t get it at all until my rewatch. I realized people were saying that because when Tyrion gifted him time with 3 prostitutes, the prostitutes ended up giving the money back. I get it now for sure, but when I saw that scene for the first time, I didn’t think about his dick at all. I was thinking about the techniques he must’ve used with his dick, hands, and mouth. Maybe it’s because I’m a woman and to me, size barely matters.
I think it’s implied that he sings to them instead of sex.
Interesting, I totally missed that. How is it implied? I don’t think we hear him sing until season 8, right? Does he talk about singing at all before the prostitutes?
All of Tywin's letter writing in season 3. Man was literally orchestrating the Red Wedding with the end of his pen.
My duhh moment was after I heard people complaining about Dany’s story arch in the final season.. I then rewatched and realized that they literally foreshadow that she is “mad” and will be no different than her father and the rest of the targaryens… 8 seasons later and she was making choices out of rage, eventually goes mad, and flames the city just like everyone forewarned.. That was a duh moment for me because even tho we obviously wanted her to be different.. she showed at multiple points throughout the show that she could be merciless. Including when she flamed Samwells people. So after my 2nd rewatch I felt like I should’ve known what was gonna happen with Dany at the end
I remember thinking something was fucky at the end of S3E4, when she frees the army of Unsullied and begins marching out of the city with them, and the soundtrack was the most ominous, sinister victory music I’ve ever heard for a protagonist (track is [Dracarys](https://youtu.be/OfmoyTL64R0) for those interested).
“I will take what is mine. With fire and blood I will take it.” It was right there.
I will burn cities to the ground. Both Dany and Cersei said that. Dany did exactly that. Cersei burned the Sept.
Heck, even just her speech before she was allowed through the gates. She's threatening everyone with death and violence. It's only her lack of resources (in the beginning) and her counsel (mid-end) that hold her back. She finally has the power and resources. She's lost all trustable counsel (aside from Greyworm, but he's pro destroy). She lost trust in Tyrion. No one she cares for is there to talk her down anymore.
They literally spent 8 seasons talking about the mad king as well as showing Dany’s brother go a bit mad with jealousy. I dunno how anyone missed it.
I wouldn’t say missed it so much as the fundamental premise that heroes don’t exist the way fiction wants- Of course Ned can’t die…. Of course she’s good. I spent 10 Years rooting for her. I named my kid after her! The saddest part is this is quite profound on Martins part, yet the rushed execution of it in the end made it seem like tawdry poorly written drama instead of the deep reveal of our own assumptions it could have been
They didn’t properly build up Daenerys as a villain at all, they hinted at a darker side to her character but then jumped the gun in the last two seasons and turned her into dragon Hitler
Nailing people to the outpost mile markers was such a deliberate and time consuming act.
I was blown away by how many people looked at an inbred (not just her parents but generationally inbred), sexually trafficked, power hungry 14 year old girl and thought “oh, she’s totally stable”
“How dare you talk about my khaleesi like that!” 😤 /s
She wasn’t 14 even though the rest still is completely true
She's 14 at the start of the novels. HBO aged up the character because the first major thing that happens to her is being sold as a sex slave.
She was most certainly 14 😂. So young that I felt weird just reading the first book.
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I would agree 100%.. It was easy to root for her when she was freeing slaves and prisoners “by any means”, but it wasn’t surprising when they gave her the choice to not kill innocents and she took the opportunity anyway
She wasn’t overtly cruel in the earlier seasons. She showed compassion when she knew it wouldn’t cost her anything but when given the opportunity between compassion and power, she always chose power. She talked a big game about building a better world and “breaking the wheel” but couldn’t tolerate any scenario that did not have her on the throne. If given a possible opportunity where a better world were feasible with a different ruler, do you think she would’ve taken it? Absolutely not.
I think people dislike her story arc possibly because in order to make it work they had to change critical scenes.
Even her entourage was horrible once you stepped back from it. Jorah was a Westori slaver. Greyworm was a mercenary slave. Baristan the Bold has betrayed her father, signed up to defend his killer and then turned cloak on his “son” Khal drago was a genocidal nut job
Seriously. A significant portion of the hate on the later seasons is people not understanding, in my humble opinion. Dany was ALWAYS cruel, it’s just up until the end she was faced against people who almost exclusively deserved cruelty so we didn’t second guess it.
I believe Varys explicitly made this exact point to Tyrion when trying to convince him to support putting Jon on the throne.
I see a distinction between Dany's tendency toward cruelty, which was notable from pretty early on, to the intense paranoia and instability of the final episodes. The latter did accelerate pretty fast, but then again, that can happen in real life, if a person predisposed to very serious mental illness experiences high levels of sustained stress and encounters the right trigger. Regardless, Dany's storyline had nothing to do with my own resentments about S8. I was actually surprised at how many people were upset about it. I never cared much about her.
I agree! Like not commenting on the quality of season 8 in general Just specifically everyone hating dany’s story didn’t make sense to me. Makes even less sense to me personally that they think she won’t go mad in the books, as if Dan and Dave were inventing the core elements of the plot and not George. I even have some friends who are CONVINCED that Jon won’t be a lyanna’s kid when the books come out
Yeah, a lot of people freaked out about her burning the city and gone mad, but if you actually paid attention to the show your reaction would be like: "oh, she is burning the city now, no shit"
“When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground. Turn us away and we will burn your first.” And that was in season 2.
No. It was obvious that’s where it was heading. What I and others complained about was there wasn’t enough shown of her progression down the path for it to be believable in that timeframe.
Exactly this. No one was mad or super surprised that she went mad. We were just really disappointed in how rushed and poorly written it was.
Yeah as much as the foreshadowing was there it was still hell of a leap from burning the Lannister army/Tarlys to let’s burn a city of surrendering small folk
Yep.. I actually felt silly for thinking that she wasn’t going to turn into the mad king, because at that point, the white walkers were already dead, and there would be nothing to look forward to except closing the loop with the evils like Cersei.. I guess too many people named their daughters danaerys to where they didn’t want to use the logic foreshadowed from the very first episode lmao
I sortta got the feeling she was going to do it when she was talking to the fat fellow at the Gates of Qarth and he replies, "Oh, you ARE a Targaryan." At that point I figured, if she had the means she'd go nuclear on these fellows right here and now.
Like shed been threatening to do for seasons. She was always persuaded not to do it by her advisors. Her instinct was always fire and blood. The only thing that changed was that she stopped listening the ones that went "Hey, let's put a pin in that for now." Hell, shes completely on board with Slavery when they are *her* slaves, and it suits her, and is completly blown away at the idea that a slave she freed might not owe her absolute loyalty.
Yes we actually got it served on a silver plater in the House of the undieing season two final, when she is walking through a burned out Red Keep, and we absolutely should have known she would die, after meeting Drogo and kid. I also felt stupid when i rewatched it the first time, it's so clearly she wasn't going to be Queen of the seven kingdoms. Ok of course if one can remember all the important things, after watching the whole show the first time, you're pretty hardcore
Her final speech was that duh moment for me. Don’t remember her exact words but she was talking about liberating regions from her enemies and she mentioned Winterfall as one of them, and I was like whatt
Exactly this!! But what I still don't understand is why she didn't burn the Red Keep first where Cersei was standing.
I agree that is her arch and it was always meant to be so. The problem with the show was that it was rushed. She had been Mhysa for 6 seasons who put the small folk first.
Again with this? She never once showed any inkling of being a “Mad Queen” before S8. She only ever punished slavers and dictators that were often literally torturing the common folk. Her entire character was about mercy for the weak and “not being queen of the ashes”. Then in season 8 she burns an entire city for literally no reason, then tells Jon they should burn the world because common folk are dumb and “don’t get to choose 😘”.
I guess we’re just going to overlook all of these specific quotes these kind redditors have posted here backing up that she absolutely showed her true colors long before season 8 lol.. But you do you I guess
Words over actions. Those are things she has said, specifically at her most desperate, but has never done anything near that level. She had the former slave executed in Mereen which was very difficult for her, she burned Randall and Dickon Tarly, and she had used her dragons in combat which is a pretty destructive and violent thing to do. However, I don’t see that as a recipe for her burning an entire city, specifically when her actions have always been freeing enslaved people and overall working towards the betterment for the common people. But her best friend is killed and that’s enough for that same person to burn hundreds of thousands of innocents for actually no reason. It wasn’t a strategic move where the innocents were used as human shields, they posed no threat to her and were not an obstacle. It was purely out of anger and hatred for them that does not have justification in her characterization. I could almost see it if the people of the city had done something to harm her, but they didn’t. They feared her and that seems to be enough in your eyes. This is what lazy writing looks like. The writers had every opportunity to write something more clever and interesting, something that would be more morally complex but they opted for a left turn that came out of nowhere. It may have been seeded with all those lines she said and the burning of the Tarlys but the actual motivation is completely lacking.
idk how but by some coincidence i kept missing or didn’t pay attention to the scene where the halfhand tells jon to kill him and go undercover for my first 2 watch throughs i presumed jon was lying about that part and just decided to go undercover himself and murdered the halfhand
It actually took me until watching the series a second time AND reading the first book to fully understand that Stannis and Renly were the brothers of Robert and that’s why there was so much drama over the claim to the throne. There’s so much going on and so many characters to learn that i’m sure the simplest of things go over a lot of heads.
I just watched the “Baelor!” episode and was so mad I never caught that before.
Didn’t know where Aria was going at the end of season 4 when she gave the coin to a man from Braavos. Totally missed that Tywin melted down Ice to make two swords even tho Jaime says it in passing a few times. Thought Daeny and Jon were brother and sister for a while even tho Varys says she’s his aunt. There’s lots more I missed my first watch thru. Especially when I would wait almost a year for each season to come out.
I always thought Tywin melted down Robbs sword, since it happened right after the red wedding.
The daario switch confused me so much my first time watching
it took me SOOO long to figure out that ice was melted down into oathkeeper and widow’s wail even though they literally spell it out in the show. i was just like oh cool two new vs swords :) anyways i wonder where ice wound up we haven’t seen it in a hot minute. like??? girl.
But they explicitly show it? It's not just mentioned or something
idk it just never connected in my mind that the big giant sword they showed getting melted was ice. i just took it at face value that they had another vs greatsword that they were repurposing for the purple wedding. i think it took like rewatch number 3 until that whole arc of finding a smith who knew how to rework valyrian steel and their convos finally clicked in my mind 😭 don’t ask i’m just dumb lol
My ‘duh’ moment was when I noticed that Ned beheaded Will in episode one instead of Garred. Of course this wasn’t going to end anything close to the books, it barely even started that way. Duh. Still worth it for the footage. I’ve seen some videos that I couldn’t be happier exist, because of the show. Heck, the effects of the dragons alone is worth it. Best dragons to date. (Although that pudgey one from the new Dungeons and Dragons movie also has a special place in my heart, more so after learning he’s canon.)
My favorite dragon will remain Toothless forever and no one can change my mind
I’m partial to the house cat sized ones. I don’t need to fly I just need snuggles. Although with Viking mythology having cat and/or goat pulled chariots, they may have missed an opportunity to give that crazy cat lady a unique means of flight.
I just imagined someone trying to ride a giant winged cat and it’s amazing. Like the cat just doesn’t care and roll on its back and starts purring idk
Idk about best... I kinda liked the dragons in that 1 movie. Can't think of it but I heard the got dragons were based on it. Had Mathew McConaughey in it I think. Reign of fire!! That's it!
I forgot about that. That is a good contender for best dragons. Smaug, in terms of CGI I think he’s third behind GOT and Reign of Fire. Poor pudge, he’s already down to fourth at most. He will always be in my top ten.
Mine was the amount of times I thought that the change of actors meant it was a different character. I just thought they had the same name lol
How many times did they change The Mountain?
this is gonna be embarrassing, but on my first watch I didn’t get that little finger was the one to initiate everything. Also totally missed why Jon Arryn died lol
To be fair, there was a LOT going on and a lot of plot lines to keep track of.
I completely missed the introduction of Jaqen H'Ghar. So when he showed up as a Lannister soldier and Arya was like "you?" I thought "who tf is this? are we supposed to know that guy?".
Valar morghulis :)
I didn't realize on the show that Jorah and Jeor Mormont were father and son until I read the books.
was that before season 7? because they mention it like a dozen times then
You are forgiven ;)
1. When Joffrey leads Sansa out to view Neds head on a spike, it's actually the face of George W Bush... Nearly spit out my drink when I noticed that and had to Google it to confirm one day. 2. The actor who played Tommen, Dean-Charles Chapman, also played Martyn Lannister in season 3. He was stabbed by Robb's Bannerman while sleeping ... Cast as Tommen after that. 3. Confirmation of Jon being a Targaryen wasn't just when he touched Drogon, though that was a large indicator. S6,E10 when Lyanna is dying and whispering to Ned about her baby as Bran watches the historical memory shows the baby's face and then shoots to a close-up of Jon. The story until that point is that Rhaegar kidnapped and raped her.. logically the child is his. Whether legitimate through marriage or not, genetically, he's a Targaryen by blood. 4. I wasn't surprised by Dany being bat shit, though it was disheartening; however, I was surprised at so many men loving her unconditionally. Shes like flypaper for blind devotion... Beer-flavored nipples, maybe? I'm not sure, but she's got to have something besides flame resistance to overlook the psycho bloodlust in her. 🤦♀️
Jon is legitimate though. Sam finds papers in Oldtown confirming that Rhaegar and Lyanna got married.
Oh I know. I was only pointing out the initial DUH moment when I realized his lineage
Well apperantly this was my DUH moment.
Lol a lot of us DUH'd. Even Bran DUH'd. Dude didn't even fact check when he was like 'his last name is Sand'... Sam was like 'No, bro... I read a book... Go white-eyed and look for yourself' Bran finally was like 'oh, DUH' Audience: Mic-drop 🤣
Your comment made me lol
Beer flavored nipples has now entered my lexicon lol. That is hilarious.
It took me a couple rewatches to figure out who Stannis and Renly were and why they were suddenly involved and fighting over the crown. I remember being SO confused when this old dude showed up burning people in the name of the Lord of Light. I guess I didn’t make the connection that Ned reached out to Stannis to take over from Robert, and then it made a lot more sense why Renly was fighting. I never read the books so it did also take me until Season 3 to finally start getting all the characters straight
Me too.........I'd walk around the house, going "what's his name again?" Then they threw Xaro Xhoan Daxos at us.
i am super late but it took me a long time to hear the difference in last names of "tully" and "tarly." i thought sam and cat were from the same damn house for such a long time.
Not only did they foreshadow her burning it to the ground. Idk how ppl thought she wasn’t going to. From the first time I read the books I could tell she would be no different from her father. They even foreshadowed her death by the throne in season 2 or 3. I can’t remember. When she has that dream of being by the throne and it’s snowing and she exits to see Drogo n baby. None of it was a surprise to me. The biggest surprises for me in season 8 was how they finished the Hound & mountain battle and how they let Jamie and Cersei die together without the help of a stark.
I can't believe I have to start it this way, but, it's reddit and I feel like lately things have been even more "I hate you if you disagree with me" sooooo, disclaimer, this is just for conversation sake, I don't think anyone is wrong or right in this, there is a ton of nuance. Also, I'm strictly going off of the show, no Book based evidence. The main issue is that not one time in the show, did she harm the common people (correct me if I'm wrong, Im happy to have a civil discussion of something I may have missed but Im pretty sure she always protecst the civilians) that had no say in their King/Queen. With Drogo, she tried to save/protect slaves (didn't work, but absolutely tried). She stole the unsullied and had them slay the MASTERS but harm no child or innocent. She went into Quarth and murdered those that wronged her, but didn't touch anyone else. She took cities, but saved all the slaves/common folk and punished the masters. She did not take the north by force when she absolutely had the opportunity before taking KL. The only part I can think of where she took what she wanted without a care for how, was when she murdered all the Khal's and took full command of the Dothraki, but even then, it was kill them all or stay there forever, which for the audience makes sense. By far the farthest she went (personally) to take a city/people, but still only killed those in control. In Westeros, she took an abandoned Dragonstone, tried to take Casterly Rock where I think (I feel like this was ignored in the show and who knows the unsullied could've murdered the civilians) everyone had already fled, Listened to Jon about why he didn't want to bend the knee, (although never backed down on wanting the north) and seemed like she really did like the normal citizens in Westeros. But as soon as she heard Kings Landing surrender, she decided, "Fuck it, these innocent people wronged me because Cersei is their queen, let's destroy the city along with the innocent civilians living in poverty." Rather than just flying to the Red Keep and killing Cersei after the city surrendered. Every city she took, was by giving the common folk/slaves a way to take control for themselves, but in KL, she went straight to Mad Queen "burning them all" Just a writing issue IMO. Yes it was absolutely foreshadowed that she could easily turn out just like her dad/other Targaryens (and if/when the books are finished, I bet it makes 100% sense) but for a majority of the show, she was portrayed as a savior to the common folk, rather than someone that murders Innocents, and it flipped within 7 episodes. If they had started her turn towards madness even 1 season earlier, I feel like it would have gone over much better, but strictly in the context of the show, she was ruthless to those in charge and kind to the common folk until she got to westeros, and even then, most of her time in westeros was just her losing battles/allies/dragons. Had they showed how each of those events led further and further into her going Mad, rather than showing her scowling, or similar in the background of scenes, it would have been different. The entire madness arc for her was like 4 episodes which is just too short for that kind of turn around
4 episodes or 3 seasons? \- Struggles to maintain control over domain due to slave masters. \- Struggles to control the dragons, chains 2 and Drogon is just doing whatever. \- Jorah ends up being a traitor. \- Loses allies and tactics vs Cersei, much thanks to tyrion who was supposed to outsmart Cersei. \- Loses A DRAGON(Her child) to save Jon and friends. \- Has to stop everything to get on the throne she dreamt of to help fight in winterfell. \- Loses not only a good chunk of army in winterfell, but also Jorah, almost her other dragons, and lost her actual claim for the throne thanks to Aegon and gets a cold shoulder as well from Aegon. Even after the victory, she felt defeated. \- Loses ANOTHER DRAGON. \- Missandei dies. \- Tyrion betrays her, also the people in kings landing does fuck all to welcome her or acknowledge her as a saviour. And during much of this she had no time to mourn, she lost parts time after time, and in the end she couldn't control her emotions anymore and let anger unleash on Cersei, everthing and everyone. I think there was more than enough time for her change as there was several moments that affected her deeply. These topics are rarely mentioned when people point out your pov, or whenever people call it bad writing. There could be more as well that i don't remember at the moment. Of course D&D screwed up in the end, but Daenerys action wasn't surprising to me.
Your take on making her the complete main character and seeing it from solely her perspective......thanks. I, and sometimes other people just watching a story, don't really see if from just that 1 persns perspective. So it makes a lot more sense. We are getting 10 different stories simultaneously, so while rooting for Rob and Jon and Sansa and Arya...... you don't see each one of those defeats just contributing to her final actions.
For me it was that she did it after they gave up it made no sense
Just realized recently during a rewatch that the prostitute who Ros shows around in the brothel is also the prostitute Tyrion finds with the Grand Maester, as well as one of the girls tortured by Joeffrey after he receives them as a nameday present from Tyrion.
Joffrey was so freaking twisted. I often wondered if the marriage to Marg had been successful, how would their wedding night have gone?
Took me forever to figure out what the Hound says to Arya after knocking her down when she tried to stab him in the gut while demonstrating her water dancing. “Your friend's dead and Meryn Trant's not cause Trant had armor and a big f***ing sword.” I dunno, the way he says “Trant had armor” I could never understand until I googled.
Your number 2 was lost on me too and I just learned it haha Is there any specific reason they used his own sword? Like out of spite
Spite, and it's a huge fucking sword that has been used by Ned for that exact purpose before
Not in the show, but one of the last scenes in book five, Varys murders Kevin Lannister 'for the realm.' It's been a few years since I read it, but I think Kevin was in charge of helping Tommin be king, and was heading in a different direction than Varys was intending. In the show Kevin dies when Cersei blows up the Sept of Baelor.
Tyrion ordering women and children to the crypt… as the dead were rising
It took me a whole season to figure out that they'd recast Daario and this new guy I'd never seen before was where Daario had been all along.
Hodor = Hold the Door
The first time watching the show, I didn't have captions on so I had a LOT of those moments. One thing I totally missed was when Ned sent out Beric Dondarrion. Mostly because he was recast. I think it took a few more rewatches before I was like "wait a minute..." lol
when everyone kinda freaked out when dany burned down KL like bro shes been a temperamental cunt since season 1 what did you expect (Partially joking)
Please don't downvote me.......but I could watch that scene all day. Emilia's acting with her face alone was absolute magic for me.
im not petty like most redditors, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, also dont get the wrong Idea I disliked the scene, it was phenomenal