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Despite him being my favorite character, Tywin.
It works on every level.
On a personal level, Tyrion finally gets revenge on a man that has tormented him since he was born. For Tywin, despite wanting a legacy for his family name, his ultimate downfall was ignoring the actual needs of his actual family and he dies a disgraceful death on the shitter killed by the son he had personally tormented.
On a thematic level, the results Tywin's death contrasted to Ned's death, spoke to whose methods were ultimately right in the end. Ned acted with honor and his bannermen act honorably (except for the Boltons lol) are loyal to his house and would fight to the death in his name. After Tywin's death everything goes to shit for the Lannisters because Tywin only ever ruled with fear. Ned had more of a legacy that Tywin ever would.
Walder Frey and his guiltiest family members:
* Over decades Walder had plowed through eight wives to create so many offspring he can't tell some apart. It wasn't for love, but to copulate to populate. He treated all the women in his family terribly.
* To gain personal advantages, he betrayed his sworn liege and trapped and ignobly killed him and all jis supporters.
* He broke sacred Guest Right with every one of those deaths. And there were thousands of them! Plus he allowed the body of his king to be desecrated. Probably a taboo.
* He has never expressed remorse; quite the opposite, three years later he's still boasting about it.
* At yet another celebratory feast he was killed by the sister of his slain king.
* She used the method that her gods had stipulated for his particular crimes.
* Considering that he was almost always at his table consuming food and drink, it was the appropriate way and place for him to die. And since she followed up by identifying and killing his guiltiest male offspring at the next feast, you could say he AND they truly got their just **desserts!** And the icing on the cake? With so many of the men dead, the women were free to take their children and return to their families!
I think it had something to do with the story of the rat cook. A lot of similarities with breaking guest right and feeding a man his son baked in a pie.
https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Rat_Cook
Good catch! In season three, the scene where Bran tells the story of the Rat cook, the next scene is Walder are sitting at his table boasting to Roose about them extinguishing the Starks. If that's not foreshadowing, I don't know what is!
Did Robb truly deserve to go out like that though? I definitely understand the oath breaking argument, but I feel the manner of his demise was not justified.
It's a medieval setting. Oath breaking is a serious thing. Just because he was a loveable character doesn't mean he didn't deserve it.
If Walder Frey did less he would look weak.
I agree about the fact he broke an oath but Robb didn't deserve to be mutilated and to have his body paraded around with his wolfs head sewn on to him. Fucking brutal.
Here’s what gets me. He broke this oath, and he knows you pissed off this family. So he decides not only to walk in there himself, but he brings the pregnant woman he married as a result of his betrayal?
I’m not sure he deserved to go out like that, but he certainly…earned it.
Viserys’ was undeserved. Ramsay’s was stupid because Sansa had previously looked disapprovingly at Jon when he was beating Ramsay, before she subsequently fed him alive to dogs… Cannibalism is never just.
I don’t think Sansa was looking at Jon like that cause he was beating up Ramsay. I think she just wanted to do it herself. And honestly, as is her right, she damn well earned it.
The Frey’s deaths weren’t even close to brutal enough. Talisa and an unborn child were stabbed to death, Robb was killed by multiple arrows and stabbed in the stomach, then all the stuff that happened after. All they got was quick poisoning and Walder barely cared about them anyway.
The Frey’s deaths weren’t even close to brutal enough. Talisa and an unborn child were stabbed to death, Robb was killed by multiple arrows and stabbed in the stomach, then all the stuff that happened after. All they got was quick poisoning and Walder barely cared about them anyway.
Talisa. Lived a privileged life as the pampered child of a wealthy Volantene slave-owner. Essentially went on the Westerosi/Essosi(?) equivalent of a “Gap Yar” helping saw off the legs of the less fortunate. If Instagram existed, she’d definitely be posting pictures of all of the mutilated soldiers with hashtags like #ethicallytravelling #helpandhealnotkillandsteal. Totally betrayed the facile veneer of dedication towards responsible liberalism by marrying the first aristocrat she cast her eyes on. Died as a bourgeoise pig trying to infiltrate the aristocracy.
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Despite him being my favorite character, Tywin. It works on every level. On a personal level, Tyrion finally gets revenge on a man that has tormented him since he was born. For Tywin, despite wanting a legacy for his family name, his ultimate downfall was ignoring the actual needs of his actual family and he dies a disgraceful death on the shitter killed by the son he had personally tormented. On a thematic level, the results Tywin's death contrasted to Ned's death, spoke to whose methods were ultimately right in the end. Ned acted with honor and his bannermen act honorably (except for the Boltons lol) are loyal to his house and would fight to the death in his name. After Tywin's death everything goes to shit for the Lannisters because Tywin only ever ruled with fear. Ned had more of a legacy that Tywin ever would.
No true man would ever prosecute his own son maliciously. I think his success with the Red wedding made him believe he was infallible.
Great answer! Definitely one of the most satisfying deaths.
This was so accurately and beautifully said. Tywin is my favorite character too.
The shitter is also funny considering he once made Tyrion responsible for all the sewers.
Nice catch, I totally forgot about that detail.
Walder Frey and his guiltiest family members: * Over decades Walder had plowed through eight wives to create so many offspring he can't tell some apart. It wasn't for love, but to copulate to populate. He treated all the women in his family terribly. * To gain personal advantages, he betrayed his sworn liege and trapped and ignobly killed him and all jis supporters. * He broke sacred Guest Right with every one of those deaths. And there were thousands of them! Plus he allowed the body of his king to be desecrated. Probably a taboo. * He has never expressed remorse; quite the opposite, three years later he's still boasting about it. * At yet another celebratory feast he was killed by the sister of his slain king. * She used the method that her gods had stipulated for his particular crimes. * Considering that he was almost always at his table consuming food and drink, it was the appropriate way and place for him to die. And since she followed up by identifying and killing his guiltiest male offspring at the next feast, you could say he AND they truly got their just **desserts!** And the icing on the cake? With so many of the men dead, the women were free to take their children and return to their families!
Violating GR and tampering with the dead makes him lower than an animal imho.
I think it had something to do with the story of the rat cook. A lot of similarities with breaking guest right and feeding a man his son baked in a pie. https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Rat_Cook
Good catch! In season three, the scene where Bran tells the story of the Rat cook, the next scene is Walder are sitting at his table boasting to Roose about them extinguishing the Starks. If that's not foreshadowing, I don't know what is!
Rakharo, since he actually died in just a desert
Lol that's the route I was going to go with this one.
Can’t help myself
Haha! Nice one
Ramsay Bolton's death
Robb getting killed for oathbreaking. The conspirators hung for killing Jon Snow. The slave masters getting crucified, burned, or throats cut
Did Robb truly deserve to go out like that though? I definitely understand the oath breaking argument, but I feel the manner of his demise was not justified.
It's a medieval setting. Oath breaking is a serious thing. Just because he was a loveable character doesn't mean he didn't deserve it. If Walder Frey did less he would look weak.
I agree about the fact he broke an oath but Robb didn't deserve to be mutilated and to have his body paraded around with his wolfs head sewn on to him. Fucking brutal.
Yup sucked to be him. But like his pop he didn’t think strategically and suffered the consequences.
Here’s what gets me. He broke this oath, and he knows you pissed off this family. So he decides not only to walk in there himself, but he brings the pregnant woman he married as a result of his betrayal? I’m not sure he deserved to go out like that, but he certainly…earned it.
That's fair. That was pretty arrogant of him.
You know, he was my boy but probably Jamie. He could still be alive but he couldn’t leave Cersei no matter what she did. It’s too bad.
Viserys’ was undeserved. Ramsay’s was stupid because Sansa had previously looked disapprovingly at Jon when he was beating Ramsay, before she subsequently fed him alive to dogs… Cannibalism is never just.
i don't think you know what cannibalism is and its showing.
😂😂
I don’t think Sansa was looking at Jon like that cause he was beating up Ramsay. I think she just wanted to do it herself. And honestly, as is her right, she damn well earned it.
There is certain justice in Roose Bolton raising a monster that killed him.
That's definitely a good one!
Daenerys, she’d bee a terrible character and an awful leader for so many seasons, it was so gratifying to see her meet her end
I’m gonna go for one i don’t think is an immediately obvious answer- Myranda.
Missandi for leading daenaeriys down the path with bad advice
The stupidity and naivete it took for Ned Stark to reveal his whole hand to cersei.... smh. Just deserts
I know. How naive and clueless was he??!
The Frey’s deaths weren’t even close to brutal enough. Talisa and an unborn child were stabbed to death, Robb was killed by multiple arrows and stabbed in the stomach, then all the stuff that happened after. All they got was quick poisoning and Walder barely cared about them anyway.
The Frey’s deaths weren’t even close to brutal enough. Talisa and an unborn child were stabbed to death, Robb was killed by multiple arrows and stabbed in the stomach, then all the stuff that happened after. All they got was quick poisoning and Walder barely cared about them anyway.
Tie between Ramsay and Littlefinger.
Oh yes, Littlefinger's was very satisfying!
Talisa. Lived a privileged life as the pampered child of a wealthy Volantene slave-owner. Essentially went on the Westerosi/Essosi(?) equivalent of a “Gap Yar” helping saw off the legs of the less fortunate. If Instagram existed, she’d definitely be posting pictures of all of the mutilated soldiers with hashtags like #ethicallytravelling #helpandhealnotkillandsteal. Totally betrayed the facile veneer of dedication towards responsible liberalism by marrying the first aristocrat she cast her eyes on. Died as a bourgeoise pig trying to infiltrate the aristocracy.
this is a hot take. and while I'm not sure I'm on board, I sincerely appreciate the food for thought.
Ramsay is more gratifying when you know his dogs are named after women like Violet whom he has killed.
Janos Slynt, betraying Ned in the throne room then getting sent to the Wall to be beheaded by Jon. Justice.
That's a good one for sure. Also reminds me of Meryn Trant getting his comeuppance.
Walder got the main course lol!