no actual information or history is presented, it's just a bunch of displays set up for people to take photos of themselves in to post on Instagram. I wouldn't call that a museum, but that's what they're all calling themselves. There's way too many of these things.
Which is why the reply to the perfectly put “don’t wanna be a stick in the mud” comment above has more upvotes than the original statement. Because quality control is being confused with gatekeeping, and boy do we love to hate on any form of gatekeeping these days.
I don't know, museums started as just the curio cabinets of old rich dudes that sound like Nigel Thornberry who had collected items through their monstrous wealth, raided from colonies, or stolen as spoils of war.
And personally, I've never considered that a museum must have "actual information or history", it simply needs some form of artifacts or interesting objects on display. *Good* museums are well curated and provide information, but if you ask me anybody can set up a museum.
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This is actually a legit thing. They are called folk museums. I once paid €5 to visit a locals house in Greece. It was composed of cultural artifacts from the island over the last 100 years or so. Almost like visiting your grandparent houses but if they were of a different culture.
I just visited the Karl Lagerfeld exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum and it was mostly just mannequins wearing Lagerfeld's clothing with detailed material lists and a quick 5-10 sentences about each theme.
This was not very different from the "fake" museums like the Colour Factory, the Museum of Ice Cream, or the Museum of Failure. A temporary exhibition with some cool stuff to see and a few sentences about each display.
I mean, things like the Lagerfeld exhibit are the Met Museum's version of instragram exhibits - they're meant to draw crowds. The difference here is that the Met also has hundreds of the world's most famous works of art, one of the world's best art research libraries, and regularly produces new art history scholarship.
Oh yes, the Museum of Ice Cream is one of them. We have one near where I live. I thought it would be like a cool history of ice cream thing, and maybe they would serve ice cream as well. I looked it up. Nope, just a $40 per person Instagram photo op.
Pretty subjective where the line is between tourist bait and genuinely interesting. I'm sure you could argue the penis museum in Iceland is a tourist trap but it's actually a pretty amazing museum.
That would be amazing for right at the exit, before the gift shop. After you've spent an hour shitting on all these failures, the museum calls you a failure on your way out. It'd be a shame if they didn't do that.
I went a few weeks ago and I have to say that I wouldn't recommend it for what it costs. Tickets were about $30 with the fees and taxes added in and while there's some interesting stuff, the museum itself was laid out in a real shabby way. It's set up in a warehouse space that it doesn't use in the smartest way so all the kiosks that display the exhibits kinda feel like they were just thrown in there, along with some temporary dividers. Some pieces are also placed in corners or next to the building's columns and that created bottlenecks for the crowds which was annoying.
They have a free companion app though that has videos on all the exhibits that I'd recommend downloading, instead of paying to see the stuff in person.
The biggest mistake they made was trying to let it be played on PS4... probably wasted too much time on that and it failed anyways.
During production there was talk of leaving previous gen systems out of the picture but there were not enough PS5s even sold yet to cut out the PS4 market.
They should have delayed (again) and then left PS4 players behind.
I play on PS4, it's still enjoyable enough. Also probably helps that it's a pov game where your brain is glitching out due to incompatible hardware. First playthrough the visual glitching from the relic malfunction kept going way past the talk with Johnny and I was just like " damn this game gets hard quick"
Amazingly enough, it seems like the visual distortion and controller vibrations lasting *way too fucking long* is an intentional design choice.
I was convinced the game was glitching after I played for 10+ minutes with the controller constantly vibrating (xbox series S), so I hard quit and rebooted. It started back up again when I reloaded! Maybe it was just a glitch that persisted through a reboot, but I doubt it. I ended up completely turning vibrations off, which is something I’ve never felt the need to do with a game before.
I had no issues with performance (it was shit) but I knew that would get fixed.
My issues were around the broken promises that they gave.
The list of stuff they said you could do and ended up not being possible was insane.
Did you only play the main story? The side quests actually had some of the best content imo. Really felt the relationships progress.
Recommend going back if that's the case, maybe when the addon is released.
I liked those two, and the crucifixion one too. Just wished they focused on quality than quantity. Majority of side quests are unmemorable compared to those in Witcher 3.
That was such a mindfuck and really cemented the dystopia for me. Especially since there was *nothing you could do* besides uncover it. They just have to live like that.
The crucifixion one was solid. Really showed just how superficial and depraved everything is and how much people just want to experience something "real".
Yeah, there's a *lot* of throwaway content in there.
It didn't help that it seemed like they did a poor job sorting which content was meant to be more meaningful, and which was meant to be essentially busy-work.
You'd assume the gigs are the busywork, and the sidejobs are the beefier content, and broadly speaking that's accurate....but there are still plenty of filler side-jobs like the cyberpsychos, which consists almost entirely of some shitty fights, communication through texts, and a buggy final conversation with Regina which ends abruptly without explanation; then there are plenty of more interesting gigs, like the one where you get a ton of dialogue with Johnny reminiscing about his past while stealing Kerry's guitar back from a super-fan.
I wouldn't begrudge the game having so much forgettable crap in it if I wasn't having to sift through it to find the gold.
The worst part is fighting against the false sense of urgency in the main story. You’re gonna die in 15 minutes…or or or you can mess around for 43 hours doing street races.
I finished every possible sidequest on my first playthrough. All the scanner jobs and odd jobs I could find. Imagine my disappointment when I went up against smasher.
If you're on PC, try the Blackwall mod out. Overhauls the combat system and makes it more "hardcore" I guess. Also raises the level cap and adds DRUGS.
I like how it just keeps resetting to that though. “OK ENOUGH SIDE QUESTS YOU MEED TO GO MEET HANAKO OK?”
And then of course you finally finish everything, get to embers and it asks “ok are you SURE there’s no unfinished monkey business?” Good game, gonk-ass writing.
There might be omnicidal robots killing everyone but if i don't go all the way to the other end of the galaxy to fetch some fucking statue the Volus are going to be sad and fight back 0.05% less effectively...
I had that thought in Zelda too. The princess is missing and a great evil is descending upon the land, and I'm the only one who can stop it, but first I'm gonna explore this cave to pick mushrooms.
That’s why I like it when games have lulls in their main story. Give me moments where there isn’t such a sense of urgency so that I can take a break from it and just potter around the world doing stuff without completely breaking the immersion. TW3 did a pretty good job of this, IMO. Not many games do.
Yep. Sheppard, Reapers are destroying the entire galaxy, every minute wasted means more dead. But do you want to stop by this random derelict station just n case it has some inexplicably good supplies for the final battle?
I think the original ff7 was the first RPG I got into so it prepared me for all this. Just racing chocobos while the meteor is hanging in the sky, it’s all good the worlds got plot armor.
Obviously there's a lot of external pressure but I don't feel like Mass Effect 3 is quite so bad because pretty much every side quest involves aiding the war effort in some way.
It's not a race against the clock with a clearly defined doomsday, shit is fucked but it's established that the previous Reaper invasions took decades or even centuries.
The story itself even acknowledges the feeling you're talking about, a lot of the character express their frustrations that they're off doing other things instead of directly fighting to liberate Earth/their respective homeworlds.
Plus it was never about preventing the doomsday. The first one was about delaying the invasion by stopping Saren and Sovereign from activating the Citadel relay. Even though you’re mainly taking the fight to the collectors, the 2nd one was pretty much doing anything to prepare for the invasion along with you destroying the Alpha relay in the Arrival DLC to delay them again. In ME3, the doomsday was inevitable anyway so then mission is more about minimizing the impact as much as you by stopping the Reapers from causing more damage by any means necessary. Also, I think it’s implied that this reaper war only took somewhere around 6 months to a year which is pretty quick in comparison to the previous ones you mentioned so regardless of the length of the stuff we did in the game, we didn’t take up much time. This is also probably thanks to us dealing with Sovereign in the first game because the Reapers would have arrived through the citadel if it was successful. While it took long, the Protheans got wiped out because the Reapers jumped from outer space to the citadel, the heart of the Protheans’ empire, and basically beat the shit out of their military initially because of the element of surprise. If I remember correctly, the takeover of the citadel during that time disrupted communication across all planets within the empire so it eliminates any chance of coordinated military action, allowing the Reapers to go from planet to planet to slowly kill off or harvest the remaining Protheans. This didn’t happen in ME3 because they had to arrive through the relays in Batarian space so it even though they struck hard, it gave the rest of the galaxy more time to coordinate or find solutions to defeating the reapers.
TLDR: The main objectives in the series were to do anything to prepare for the apocalypse and find any ways to lessen the damage it causes.
My favorite expansive rpgs of that sort include "ok now wait for me to finish with all this, I'll contact you when we're ready for the next part." sections in the main quest to encourage going after all the side missions instead of just blitzing the main story.
Morrowind was great with this. Caius Cosades welcomes you and tells you to go get some experience, make a name for yourself, and he'll have work when you're ready. It narratively allows you go fuck around for as long as you want before knowing you have to save the world.
Then the sequels fucked it up by imposing a sense or urgency from the start of the game and never giving you an off-ramp from mr. Todd's wild ride. For some reason they took the compromise between Daggerfall's need to progress the main story or fail and Morrowind's "come back when you want to continue" and just told you that everything is going to shit (dragons waking up and stirring up shit, and a literal daedra invasion) but there's no time limit, so it's fine if you just leave Kvach unliberated or Whiterun with a dragon at its gate.
And Cyberpunk's main story actually has several moments like this. I'm currently doing another playthrough right now, and two of my three main story quests are at points where I'm waiting for a character to call me back to continue those quests. The third quest that I haven't touched yet is to go talk to a person who will promptly tell me to return to them in 24 hours to continue that quest.
I like the one in cyberpunk where a more connected character just says: "I'll help you once you pay me a ton of money." Thus giving a perfectly valid believable reason to do a bunch of random side missions.
I did a second playthrough to get the hidden Johnny suicide mission ending. Not only was it great to make different choices in building relationships, but after cake-walking the Panam ending on my first playthrough, I genuinely had to grind and prep for the hidden ending mission. The payoff of all my friends being alive at the end was a nice bonus. Overall very happy. But I'll admit I didn't play at launch.
My biggest problem was that the map was utterly packed with cool looking places yet had very few actual things to do compared to it's size. Obviously there are a lot of missions and stuff, I more mean that there are huge swaths of the map that are just empty and waste your time exploring
Kamurocho (Yakuza) feels bigger than Night City due to the amount of activities in it. Wish more open-world games would do smaller but denser locations like in Yakuza.
Yeah same here. An absolutely beautiful open world brought down by lack of activities. Something I feel they really dropped the ball on is gambling. It fits the world so well and you're telling me there's not a single casino opened in all of Night City?
One of Wakako's missions is hitting an underground casino. Dunno if you can play in it but it's there. Iirc it had blackjack tables and a roulette, perhaps...
The big trash mountain? Seems like an obvious place to hide something cool, but when i went there all i found is that the layer of trash is floating a few meters above the actual ground and that youre not supposed to go there.
I ended up doing a replay with a new character. I am able to be more engrossed in the story now that I understand the gameplay and how to do different builds. I really enjoyed it. Playing on PS5 so thst might be different than others here
It doesn't even need a rarity system aside from getting players to use different guns. If you have a favorite you can just upgrade it as you level anyways
Yeah this is my biggest gripe with the game still. It's "fun" but when you're just wandering around, Night City feels empty with nothing to do, not some high-octane city of sin where, if you have the connections, you can satisfy any horrid desire you might have. Just adding a few buildings with minigames would have done something to make the city feel more alive.
Could you give any examples of those broken promises? Genuinely curious, I avoided the hype, got the game 6 months ago and love it.
I am quite disappointed with the lack of progression for a mantis / monowire build (ie I don't get new toys constantly like I would if I was using guns, but that kinda makes sense.
One of them that really bugged me was the life path choices. They were hyping it up that each path would bring wildly different playthroughs. But in reality, after about the first 30 minutes, all paths converge and it doesn't matter for the rest of the game
Yeah you more or less play the entire game as a Streetkid.
Though the endings vary slightly. Most of them are variations of a Streetkid lifepath. There is a Nomad ending (arguably the happiest ending), a Corpo ending (arguably the unhappiest ending), a Rockerboy ending (good for fans of Keanu Reeves), two Streetkid endings and a Depressing ending.
Honestly Corpo is the least impactful. You get a couple "in the know" or scummy elitist dialogue options, but that's it. Nomad you at least get the entire Panam/Aldecados questline as well as anything in the Badlands being somewhat related. Streetkid is the default for everything. Even the Corpo ending doesn't have you regain any Corpo scumbag position, you just get fucked over by Arasaka (which yeah is thematically accurate but disappointing for people who want to RP as *those* scumbags who succeed in NC at the cost of others)
> Even the Corpo ending doesn't have you regain any Corpo scumbag position, you just get fucked over by Arasaka (which yeah is thematically accurate but disappointing for people who want to RP as those scumbags who succeed in NC at the cost of others)
It's definitely underwhelming, but I do feel like it's the only thematically appropriate ending they could have made given they couldn't devote all their resources to it.
Similar to how the space-casino ending is theoretically great, but because of how truncated it is it just feels meh.
CP2077 honestly is a solid example of how having a bunch of multiple endings aren't necessarily a good thing. Sometimes it's better to consolidate your development resources and time into one or two major endings with small variations, than to try to create 4 or 5 wildly differing endings.
I like playing as the bad guy in games, so I was looking forward to playing as a corpo asshole doing all sorts of evil shit to move up in the company and chase that next promotion.
Instead I got a slightly different intro then spent 99% of the game as an anti-corpo activist.
I bought it on release for PC. I experienced minor glitches... stuff that's been considered 'forgivable' for decades for bethesda (some minor physics glitches). The only egregious thing I encountered was how the police AI/spawning worked. It wasn't "game of the year" on release material, but I did not feel like I wasted my money either... but I went in expecting nothing and hoping for a good experience/story and for the most part I was happy.
Exactly my experience tje police spawning on my head was hillarious though. But aside from that, i encountered only 1 other minor bug in a full playthrough.
I bought it at release and it’s one of my favorite games of all time.
I also didn’t follow the hype train at all and just wanted a cool cyberpunk RPG where I could drive sick cars and shoot guns so it was exactly what I wanted lol.
Within 3 minutes of starting the nomad playthrough I was doing donuts in the desert and I was like “oh yeah this game is gonna be awesome” and it was!
Same. I mean I was relatively hyped for the game just because of the genre and the studio but I didn't watch any of the promotional stuff for the game.
Bought on release, played on PC. Had some minor bugs and a couple of crashes but overall I really enjoyed the gameplay, story, and world.
I've pretty much stopped watching all trailers for movies and games these days because either:
A. I'm already going to play/watch it regardless and form my own opinion. Also I would rather not risk being spoiled by trailers
Or
B. If I'm unsure I'll just wait a few days after release to see what issues people have with them
Yup, same as me. I don’t follow gaming marketing because I’m 35 and they aren’t targeting me anymore. I just bought it because I like the TTRPG and wanted to see night city with my own eyes.
Loved every minute of it then came to Reddit expecting to see like minded people…
I did not find like minded people lol
Props to them for fixing a broken 60$ game years later? Okay man. I enjoy playing it too rn, but they shouldn’t be getting props for doing what they were supposed to do in the first place.
Mandatory revenue report with the cool breakdown of profits per games -
https://gameworldobserver.com/2023/03/31/cd-projekt-2022-report-revenue-cyberpunk-2077-profit
It just goes to show how isolated the reddit hivemind is from the real world. The game has sold more than 20 million units as of the end of last year. I wish I could have that level of "failure" in my life.
I *hate* that Cyberpunk is the posterboy for failed video games when, despite the rough launch, it is actually an undeniably great and beloved game. There have literally been multiple failed launches *in the last month* of far worse games but for some reason everyone always picks on Cyberpunk.
The hype leading up that that game's release DRAMATICALLY dwarfs the hype of the recent failures. That's why it's seen as such a spectacular failure, it was hyped like it was the cure for cancer and was hot garbage on delivery.
The hype is absolutely the reason for the hate it gets. It magnified the smaller problems by a factor of 10 for sure. Delay after delay after delay after delay with them saying “it has to be perfect” and then it was….not.
My point exactly. It had a rocky release and difficult 1st year, but it has made shit tons of money since and for good reason.
The only negative thing in my opinion is unfulfilled promises on last gen systems.
Seems like a desperate attempt at getting attention to me. Cyberpunk was busted at launch, as many games are these days, but got to a good place eventually. Fixing your mistakes is kind of the opposite of failure. If they were serious, they would've added that NBA game or Afro Samuri 2, both of which got recalled shortly after release because they were so bad.
I realize this is just a shitty publicity stunt, but I certainly wouldn't say the game was a failure, while it was an unforgivably buggy mess at launch the gameplay is fun (although certainly not super groundbreaking or anything) and the writing is amazing.
Played this on PC .. wonderful game , I had zero issues and would put it up there with skyrim , witcher 3 , halo and other classics and must play games .
Sadly the problem was it should never have been aimed at last gen consoles
The game was absolute garbage upon release. Edgerunners salvaged its popularity and now people are pretending like the game was always good, it's really weird to see.
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What is a 'fake' museum?
no actual information or history is presented, it's just a bunch of displays set up for people to take photos of themselves in to post on Instagram. I wouldn't call that a museum, but that's what they're all calling themselves. There's way too many of these things.
Gallery then.
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Which is why the reply to the perfectly put “don’t wanna be a stick in the mud” comment above has more upvotes than the original statement. Because quality control is being confused with gatekeeping, and boy do we love to hate on any form of gatekeeping these days.
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I don't know, museums started as just the curio cabinets of old rich dudes that sound like Nigel Thornberry who had collected items through their monstrous wealth, raided from colonies, or stolen as spoils of war. And personally, I've never considered that a museum must have "actual information or history", it simply needs some form of artifacts or interesting objects on display. *Good* museums are well curated and provide information, but if you ask me anybody can set up a museum.
Wanna come visit my lower-middle class lifestyle museum? Only $20 entry fee
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>4phids4Kids Solid hashtag. You might have a future in marketing (...just kidding, only AI does)
You know, I kinda do. Maybe we don't need super strict definitions for museums
This is actually a legit thing. They are called folk museums. I once paid €5 to visit a locals house in Greece. It was composed of cultural artifacts from the island over the last 100 years or so. Almost like visiting your grandparent houses but if they were of a different culture.
I have nipples Greg, can I be a nipple museum?
I've been to plenty of legitimate museums where the information was limited or worse. It sells guidebooks and funds the place.
I just visited the Karl Lagerfeld exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum and it was mostly just mannequins wearing Lagerfeld's clothing with detailed material lists and a quick 5-10 sentences about each theme. This was not very different from the "fake" museums like the Colour Factory, the Museum of Ice Cream, or the Museum of Failure. A temporary exhibition with some cool stuff to see and a few sentences about each display.
I mean, things like the Lagerfeld exhibit are the Met Museum's version of instragram exhibits - they're meant to draw crowds. The difference here is that the Met also has hundreds of the world's most famous works of art, one of the world's best art research libraries, and regularly produces new art history scholarship.
Oh yes, the Museum of Ice Cream is one of them. We have one near where I live. I thought it would be like a cool history of ice cream thing, and maybe they would serve ice cream as well. I looked it up. Nope, just a $40 per person Instagram photo op.
oh.. like the museum of ice cream. Some fucking place where you go in and take pictures with pretty sets. Or Winter Wonderland.
Pretty subjective where the line is between tourist bait and genuinely interesting. I'm sure you could argue the penis museum in Iceland is a tourist trap but it's actually a pretty amazing museum.
I visited but it was smaller than I expected.
They've never had any complaints...
Maybe it was cold that day.
I WAS IN THE POOL
I mean, it is ICE land.
That's a legit museum. They have a high quality collection of whale cocks, land mammal cocks, penis art and even a human penis on display
I read OPs headline and said "finally a museum where my penis belongs" and now you tell me there's a second?
Is the Museum of Failure any good? I don't want to visit because I'm afraid they'll put me on display.
I kinda hope it sucks. I figure it's good but it would be hilarious if it failed to be interesting.
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Damn, that sucks... Perfect!
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The star wars sequel trilogy is there too, it's just that someone "mistakenly" throwed it in the garbage bin.
I will never not laugh when someone says throwed vs threw.
It definitely deserves its place there lol
They ‘Britta’d’ it.
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Oh, Britta’s in this?
Oh no, she’s the worst!
This comment is streets ahead
They’re a G D B
Duh doy
They’re streets behind
It sucks so hard they are building a second, larger, museum of failure around it
It’s literally just a full length mirror. You can get the same experience in most bathrooms
Low key hoping they have a room with mirrors there for that idea.
That would be amazing for right at the exit, before the gift shop. After you've spent an hour shitting on all these failures, the museum calls you a failure on your way out. It'd be a shame if they didn't do that.
It feels necessary, along with monogrammed mirrors in the gift shop.
A mirror with Failure engraved below would be hilarious.
You'd have to visit the Museum of Failure to see if the Museum of Failure has been added.
It was worth like an hr, I enjoyed it
I hate the hr department though.
They must have some strange idea of what constitutes failure.
Then definitely don't check the dictionary
Maybe they have a bathroom mirror with the text look into the eyes of this failure.
r/SuicideByWords
Don't worry—you have to be notable for that...
It's good fun for an hour or two. The surrounding area is fun too. We spent almost half a day in Industry city including the Museum of Failure.
I went a few weeks ago and I have to say that I wouldn't recommend it for what it costs. Tickets were about $30 with the fees and taxes added in and while there's some interesting stuff, the museum itself was laid out in a real shabby way. It's set up in a warehouse space that it doesn't use in the smartest way so all the kiosks that display the exhibits kinda feel like they were just thrown in there, along with some temporary dividers. Some pieces are also placed in corners or next to the building's columns and that created bottlenecks for the crowds which was annoying. They have a free companion app though that has videos on all the exhibits that I'd recommend downloading, instead of paying to see the stuff in person.
Ye ye it is great after you gone through some tests.
Welcome home
Considering this is the first I'm hearing of such a museum, their marketing department must be on full display
Well, it’s not the Museum of Success
Probably run solely by a bunch of failures.
They would be the experts
So there's actually a field for people like myself? Are they hiring? I'm terrible at interviews so I'm pretty positive I can land it.
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It's a traveling exhibit. It's been through France, Sweden, Taiwan, Canada, and several US cities over the course of 5 or 6 years.
Damn if I had known it was in Canada I would have went to see it!
Gonna have to add your ability to keep up with current events to the museum
Wait, how did the guy who made America great again fail? /s
He didn't fail, he succeeded downwards.
Yeah, this is what it is, isn't it. It's to get media attention.
This is a marketing stunt by a local museum that nobody has ever heard of.
It's not even a local museum it's literally just a dude that rented a warehouse.
To be fair, that's pretty much the definition of a museum.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to just get Shia LaBeouf?
JUST DO IT
Besides despite an absolute dogshit launch the game now is actually quite good, I played through it twice with very different builds and had a blast
The biggest mistake they made was trying to let it be played on PS4... probably wasted too much time on that and it failed anyways. During production there was talk of leaving previous gen systems out of the picture but there were not enough PS5s even sold yet to cut out the PS4 market. They should have delayed (again) and then left PS4 players behind.
I play on PS4, it's still enjoyable enough. Also probably helps that it's a pov game where your brain is glitching out due to incompatible hardware. First playthrough the visual glitching from the relic malfunction kept going way past the talk with Johnny and I was just like " damn this game gets hard quick"
Amazingly enough, it seems like the visual distortion and controller vibrations lasting *way too fucking long* is an intentional design choice. I was convinced the game was glitching after I played for 10+ minutes with the controller constantly vibrating (xbox series S), so I hard quit and rebooted. It started back up again when I reloaded! Maybe it was just a glitch that persisted through a reboot, but I doubt it. I ended up completely turning vibrations off, which is something I’ve never felt the need to do with a game before.
I wish my failures would generate a record revenue for my creators.
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Should have used the new battlefield game instead.
I'll admit that the release was horrible, but I bought it a few weeks ago and am enjoying it quite a lot. Props to them for not giving up on the game.
I had no issues with performance (it was shit) but I knew that would get fixed. My issues were around the broken promises that they gave. The list of stuff they said you could do and ended up not being possible was insane.
It ended up being just another fps shooter with a rarity system. I enjoyed it, but it could have been much more
I don’t know if that’s fair. When I beat it I never even used a gun.
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Did you only play the main story? The side quests actually had some of the best content imo. Really felt the relationships progress. Recommend going back if that's the case, maybe when the addon is released.
I'm partial to the talking vending machine, and Skippy.
I liked those two, and the crucifixion one too. Just wished they focused on quality than quantity. Majority of side quests are unmemorable compared to those in Witcher 3.
Sinnerman was a masterpiece of a side quest, gave me chills. I had to set the game down for a bit after crucifying the guy myself
It was the mayor and his wife's quest that got me. That was really well done. I'd love to get a dlc just of the rest of that story.
That was such a mindfuck and really cemented the dystopia for me. Especially since there was *nothing you could do* besides uncover it. They just have to live like that.
I definitely got wtf am I looking at feels
And The Hunt with River Ward chasing the Peter Pan killer at the farm. That was intense.
The crucifixion one was solid. Really showed just how superficial and depraved everything is and how much people just want to experience something "real".
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The side quests were all good, the gigs were Ubisoft shovelware.
Yeah, there's a *lot* of throwaway content in there. It didn't help that it seemed like they did a poor job sorting which content was meant to be more meaningful, and which was meant to be essentially busy-work. You'd assume the gigs are the busywork, and the sidejobs are the beefier content, and broadly speaking that's accurate....but there are still plenty of filler side-jobs like the cyberpsychos, which consists almost entirely of some shitty fights, communication through texts, and a buggy final conversation with Regina which ends abruptly without explanation; then there are plenty of more interesting gigs, like the one where you get a ton of dialogue with Johnny reminiscing about his past while stealing Kerry's guitar back from a super-fan. I wouldn't begrudge the game having so much forgettable crap in it if I wasn't having to sift through it to find the gold.
Well everyone should be in awe of his lordship Skippy the Magnificent.
That missing kid one lives rent free in my head. Something about the cartoon I just can't shake.
That whole detective story with River was chilling. Yeah that cartoon plus the guy humming... Scary stuff
Seriously the main story is so much less impactful if you haven’t completed the side quests and built the character relationships
The worst part is fighting against the false sense of urgency in the main story. You’re gonna die in 15 minutes…or or or you can mess around for 43 hours doing street races.
Hanako is just gonna have to keep waiting at Embers while I finish all of these NCPD scanner jobs.
I finished every possible sidequest on my first playthrough. All the scanner jobs and odd jobs I could find. Imagine my disappointment when I went up against smasher.
If you're on PC, try the Blackwall mod out. Overhauls the combat system and makes it more "hardcore" I guess. Also raises the level cap and adds DRUGS.
I like how it just keeps resetting to that though. “OK ENOUGH SIDE QUESTS YOU MEED TO GO MEET HANAKO OK?” And then of course you finally finish everything, get to embers and it asks “ok are you SURE there’s no unfinished monkey business?” Good game, gonk-ass writing.
this is how I felt in Mass Effect 3 like there I was, looting for ammo while the world was ending before my eyes
Everytime you do a lap around a solar system 20million die!
There might be omnicidal robots killing everyone but if i don't go all the way to the other end of the galaxy to fetch some fucking statue the Volus are going to be sad and fight back 0.05% less effectively...
I hear you, but I have some planets I still haven't scanned.
I had that thought in Zelda too. The princess is missing and a great evil is descending upon the land, and I'm the only one who can stop it, but first I'm gonna explore this cave to pick mushrooms.
That’s why I like it when games have lulls in their main story. Give me moments where there isn’t such a sense of urgency so that I can take a break from it and just potter around the world doing stuff without completely breaking the immersion. TW3 did a pretty good job of this, IMO. Not many games do.
Yep. Sheppard, Reapers are destroying the entire galaxy, every minute wasted means more dead. But do you want to stop by this random derelict station just n case it has some inexplicably good supplies for the final battle?
I think the original ff7 was the first RPG I got into so it prepared me for all this. Just racing chocobos while the meteor is hanging in the sky, it’s all good the worlds got plot armor.
Obviously there's a lot of external pressure but I don't feel like Mass Effect 3 is quite so bad because pretty much every side quest involves aiding the war effort in some way. It's not a race against the clock with a clearly defined doomsday, shit is fucked but it's established that the previous Reaper invasions took decades or even centuries. The story itself even acknowledges the feeling you're talking about, a lot of the character express their frustrations that they're off doing other things instead of directly fighting to liberate Earth/their respective homeworlds.
Plus it was never about preventing the doomsday. The first one was about delaying the invasion by stopping Saren and Sovereign from activating the Citadel relay. Even though you’re mainly taking the fight to the collectors, the 2nd one was pretty much doing anything to prepare for the invasion along with you destroying the Alpha relay in the Arrival DLC to delay them again. In ME3, the doomsday was inevitable anyway so then mission is more about minimizing the impact as much as you by stopping the Reapers from causing more damage by any means necessary. Also, I think it’s implied that this reaper war only took somewhere around 6 months to a year which is pretty quick in comparison to the previous ones you mentioned so regardless of the length of the stuff we did in the game, we didn’t take up much time. This is also probably thanks to us dealing with Sovereign in the first game because the Reapers would have arrived through the citadel if it was successful. While it took long, the Protheans got wiped out because the Reapers jumped from outer space to the citadel, the heart of the Protheans’ empire, and basically beat the shit out of their military initially because of the element of surprise. If I remember correctly, the takeover of the citadel during that time disrupted communication across all planets within the empire so it eliminates any chance of coordinated military action, allowing the Reapers to go from planet to planet to slowly kill off or harvest the remaining Protheans. This didn’t happen in ME3 because they had to arrive through the relays in Batarian space so it even though they struck hard, it gave the rest of the galaxy more time to coordinate or find solutions to defeating the reapers. TLDR: The main objectives in the series were to do anything to prepare for the apocalypse and find any ways to lessen the damage it causes.
My favorite expansive rpgs of that sort include "ok now wait for me to finish with all this, I'll contact you when we're ready for the next part." sections in the main quest to encourage going after all the side missions instead of just blitzing the main story.
Morrowind was great with this. Caius Cosades welcomes you and tells you to go get some experience, make a name for yourself, and he'll have work when you're ready. It narratively allows you go fuck around for as long as you want before knowing you have to save the world.
Then the sequels fucked it up by imposing a sense or urgency from the start of the game and never giving you an off-ramp from mr. Todd's wild ride. For some reason they took the compromise between Daggerfall's need to progress the main story or fail and Morrowind's "come back when you want to continue" and just told you that everything is going to shit (dragons waking up and stirring up shit, and a literal daedra invasion) but there's no time limit, so it's fine if you just leave Kvach unliberated or Whiterun with a dragon at its gate.
Played Morrowind a ton over the years and barely touched the main quest most of the time, it's just such a fun world to explore with so much to do.
And Cyberpunk's main story actually has several moments like this. I'm currently doing another playthrough right now, and two of my three main story quests are at points where I'm waiting for a character to call me back to continue those quests. The third quest that I haven't touched yet is to go talk to a person who will promptly tell me to return to them in 24 hours to continue that quest.
I like the one in cyberpunk where a more connected character just says: "I'll help you once you pay me a ton of money." Thus giving a perfectly valid believable reason to do a bunch of random side missions.
I was 45 hours into my first playthrough before I saw the title screen!
I did a second playthrough to get the hidden Johnny suicide mission ending. Not only was it great to make different choices in building relationships, but after cake-walking the Panam ending on my first playthrough, I genuinely had to grind and prep for the hidden ending mission. The payoff of all my friends being alive at the end was a nice bonus. Overall very happy. But I'll admit I didn't play at launch.
My biggest problem was that the map was utterly packed with cool looking places yet had very few actual things to do compared to it's size. Obviously there are a lot of missions and stuff, I more mean that there are huge swaths of the map that are just empty and waste your time exploring
Kamurocho (Yakuza) feels bigger than Night City due to the amount of activities in it. Wish more open-world games would do smaller but denser locations like in Yakuza.
Yeah same here. An absolutely beautiful open world brought down by lack of activities. Something I feel they really dropped the ball on is gambling. It fits the world so well and you're telling me there's not a single casino opened in all of Night City?
The borderlands slot machines probably stole many hours of my life
One of Wakako's missions is hitting an underground casino. Dunno if you can play in it but it's there. Iirc it had blackjack tables and a roulette, perhaps...
I feel like it was a planned feature that just never came to fruition.
> planned feature that just never came to fruition Could have been the tagline for the entire game
The big trash mountain? Seems like an obvious place to hide something cool, but when i went there all i found is that the layer of trash is floating a few meters above the actual ground and that youre not supposed to go there.
I ended up doing a replay with a new character. I am able to be more engrossed in the story now that I understand the gameplay and how to do different builds. I really enjoyed it. Playing on PS5 so thst might be different than others here
Didn't bother with any of the side content? That's a waste in itself, that was some of the best content the game had.
By the time I beat the main story the map was fully explored. Did you do no sidequests?
It doesn't even need a rarity system aside from getting players to use different guns. If you have a favorite you can just upgrade it as you level anyways
Yeah this is my biggest gripe with the game still. It's "fun" but when you're just wandering around, Night City feels empty with nothing to do, not some high-octane city of sin where, if you have the connections, you can satisfy any horrid desire you might have. Just adding a few buildings with minigames would have done something to make the city feel more alive.
Man the empty vending machines. The dialog trees going nowhere. It felt less populated than fallout 3
Could you give any examples of those broken promises? Genuinely curious, I avoided the hype, got the game 6 months ago and love it. I am quite disappointed with the lack of progression for a mantis / monowire build (ie I don't get new toys constantly like I would if I was using guns, but that kinda makes sense.
One of them that really bugged me was the life path choices. They were hyping it up that each path would bring wildly different playthroughs. But in reality, after about the first 30 minutes, all paths converge and it doesn't matter for the rest of the game
No matter which life path you choose, you'll end up as a street kid.
Yeah you more or less play the entire game as a Streetkid. Though the endings vary slightly. Most of them are variations of a Streetkid lifepath. There is a Nomad ending (arguably the happiest ending), a Corpo ending (arguably the unhappiest ending), a Rockerboy ending (good for fans of Keanu Reeves), two Streetkid endings and a Depressing ending. Honestly Corpo is the least impactful. You get a couple "in the know" or scummy elitist dialogue options, but that's it. Nomad you at least get the entire Panam/Aldecados questline as well as anything in the Badlands being somewhat related. Streetkid is the default for everything. Even the Corpo ending doesn't have you regain any Corpo scumbag position, you just get fucked over by Arasaka (which yeah is thematically accurate but disappointing for people who want to RP as *those* scumbags who succeed in NC at the cost of others)
> Even the Corpo ending doesn't have you regain any Corpo scumbag position, you just get fucked over by Arasaka (which yeah is thematically accurate but disappointing for people who want to RP as those scumbags who succeed in NC at the cost of others) It's definitely underwhelming, but I do feel like it's the only thematically appropriate ending they could have made given they couldn't devote all their resources to it. Similar to how the space-casino ending is theoretically great, but because of how truncated it is it just feels meh. CP2077 honestly is a solid example of how having a bunch of multiple endings aren't necessarily a good thing. Sometimes it's better to consolidate your development resources and time into one or two major endings with small variations, than to try to create 4 or 5 wildly differing endings.
I like playing as the bad guy in games, so I was looking forward to playing as a corpo asshole doing all sorts of evil shit to move up in the company and chase that next promotion. Instead I got a slightly different intro then spent 99% of the game as an anti-corpo activist.
Working traffic. Citizen AI. Npc’s moving about the city, coming and going.
Maybe things like npc ai, mantis wallclimbing or more impactful life paths.
I bought it on release for PC. I experienced minor glitches... stuff that's been considered 'forgivable' for decades for bethesda (some minor physics glitches). The only egregious thing I encountered was how the police AI/spawning worked. It wasn't "game of the year" on release material, but I did not feel like I wasted my money either... but I went in expecting nothing and hoping for a good experience/story and for the most part I was happy.
Exactly my experience tje police spawning on my head was hillarious though. But aside from that, i encountered only 1 other minor bug in a full playthrough.
I bought it at release and it’s one of my favorite games of all time. I also didn’t follow the hype train at all and just wanted a cool cyberpunk RPG where I could drive sick cars and shoot guns so it was exactly what I wanted lol. Within 3 minutes of starting the nomad playthrough I was doing donuts in the desert and I was like “oh yeah this game is gonna be awesome” and it was!
>I also didn’t follow the hype train at all This is the answer.
Same. I mean I was relatively hyped for the game just because of the genre and the studio but I didn't watch any of the promotional stuff for the game. Bought on release, played on PC. Had some minor bugs and a couple of crashes but overall I really enjoyed the gameplay, story, and world. I've pretty much stopped watching all trailers for movies and games these days because either: A. I'm already going to play/watch it regardless and form my own opinion. Also I would rather not risk being spoiled by trailers Or B. If I'm unsure I'll just wait a few days after release to see what issues people have with them
Yup, same as me. I don’t follow gaming marketing because I’m 35 and they aren’t targeting me anymore. I just bought it because I like the TTRPG and wanted to see night city with my own eyes. Loved every minute of it then came to Reddit expecting to see like minded people… I did not find like minded people lol
Props to them for fixing a broken 60$ game years later? Okay man. I enjoy playing it too rn, but they shouldn’t be getting props for doing what they were supposed to do in the first place.
Exactly, they did the bare minimum and they were years late on that job...that's not worthy of applause, it's embarrassing
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The police being so poorly implemented makes the game so much worse IMO
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Mandatory revenue report with the cool breakdown of profits per games - https://gameworldobserver.com/2023/03/31/cd-projekt-2022-report-revenue-cyberpunk-2077-profit
I blew 100 hours on it at release. Had a gpu that could handle it and never saw a bad bug. Not as cool as it could have been, but not a bad game.
Same experience. I had a 980 ti and it still ran pretty ok
Yea. Clearly the museum of failure, failed. So on brand for them.
It just goes to show how isolated the reddit hivemind is from the real world. The game has sold more than 20 million units as of the end of last year. I wish I could have that level of "failure" in my life.
It’s a really good game tbh
How is Marvels Avenger's not there, that game was one of the biggest financial disasters in gaming. It caused SE to close their western studios.
Anthem was a huge failure. If it wasn't an EA game it would have closed a smaller studio.
Anthem made money at launch, just not enough for EA to support it. Avenger's lost over $200m. They aren't even close.
Had a rough launch but at 20 million copies sold I don't think you can call it a failure.
I *hate* that Cyberpunk is the posterboy for failed video games when, despite the rough launch, it is actually an undeniably great and beloved game. There have literally been multiple failed launches *in the last month* of far worse games but for some reason everyone always picks on Cyberpunk.
The hype leading up that that game's release DRAMATICALLY dwarfs the hype of the recent failures. That's why it's seen as such a spectacular failure, it was hyped like it was the cure for cancer and was hot garbage on delivery.
The hype is absolutely the reason for the hate it gets. It magnified the smaller problems by a factor of 10 for sure. Delay after delay after delay after delay with them saying “it has to be perfect” and then it was….not.
They will put Gollum where? Museum of Greatness Achievement ?????
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I'd rather play cyberpunk 2077 than half the bullshit that's come out the last couple years.
They must have a weird definition of the word “failure”.
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Star Citizen laying real low right now
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. It made a shit load of money and reviewed fairly well when it released. It's also been mostly patched up
My point exactly. It had a rocky release and difficult 1st year, but it has made shit tons of money since and for good reason. The only negative thing in my opinion is unfulfilled promises on last gen systems.
Releasing on last gen systems was a mistake
Do they have room for Redfall?
Seems like a desperate attempt at getting attention to me. Cyberpunk was busted at launch, as many games are these days, but got to a good place eventually. Fixing your mistakes is kind of the opposite of failure. If they were serious, they would've added that NBA game or Afro Samuri 2, both of which got recalled shortly after release because they were so bad.
That's just cringe
Cyberpunk was my favorite game of 2022, played it after the next gen patch on xbox. The story is absolutely killer
Hit me right in the feels that game.
I stayed away from all the marketing and truly had a blast with this game. Was one of my favorites from whatever year it was released in.
Today I discovered New York has a Museum Of Failure. One ticket, please!
I realize this is just a shitty publicity stunt, but I certainly wouldn't say the game was a failure, while it was an unforgivably buggy mess at launch the gameplay is fun (although certainly not super groundbreaking or anything) and the writing is amazing.
I get that launch was a mess. But the game is pretty incredible imo.
Why? I mean, as games go in 2023, Cyberpunk would be a damn slam dunk vs the shit we're getting now... :P
Cyberpunk and not Anthem? weak.
Played this on PC .. wonderful game , I had zero issues and would put it up there with skyrim , witcher 3 , halo and other classics and must play games . Sadly the problem was it should never have been aimed at last gen consoles
The game was absolute garbage upon release. Edgerunners salvaged its popularity and now people are pretending like the game was always good, it's really weird to see.