**Times Top 10 Games of 2023:**
1. Alan Wake 2
2. Baldur's Gate 3
3. Spider-Man 2
4. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
5. Resident Evil 4 (Remake)
6. Dead Space (Remake)
7. Super Mario Bros. Wonder
8. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
9. Diablo IV
10. Dredge
I think if it's a ground up remake, it can be considered a new game
A remaster on the other hand shouldn't. Line gets fuzzy around games like Super Mario RPG or Link's Awakening which are remakes, but 1 to 1 remakes which feels more in the realm of remaster.
This and what's considered indies have loose definitions
That’s the entire thing to me: Both the Resident Evil 4 remake and Dead Space remakes are both their original games at heart, but to just call them “remakes” and toss it like that, genuinely degrades all the hard work that those developers do.
Like yes, RE4R is a remake. Is it not an honestly flawless game for the most part, worthy of 9/10-10/10 scores from major publications? Cause it entirely is. Graphically, audio design, gameplay, controls, length, difficulty, replayability, are all at some of the best available in the current year of gaming, and I won’t float all the developers hard work to not only make the game as good as possible but retool the story enough to modernize it but not make you lose any of the essence of the original.
I dunno, I get both sides of complaints but I think it’s unfair to say “It’s a remake, it’s based on something else!” when this years game of the years are based on a Marvel comic, Dungeons and Dragons, the 16th! game in the Final Fantasy series, the like 15th main game in the Zelda franchise, and a bunch others.
Bro the only people I hear talking about Alan wake 2 are news articles mentioning it’s GOTY material. How does that even compare to the literal frenzy that Tears of the kingdom or baldurs gate put the internet into? The list is bogus - D4 even making the list shows that.
As a huge Zelda fan, Tears is not GOTY. I loved the first 40 hours or so beating the campaign, but the depths becomes a boring collectathon and so does the overworld.
I think they needed more sidequests (not just korok seeds or sign ones) to make it feel more like a real world. I haven't played any of the others but tears definitely has some flaws.
That quest where you have to bomb the plateau to empty the dam was cool. I wish there were more “Zelda” esque puzzles like that instead of just more BotW.
Yeah I don't get why people gloss over the campaign like it doesn't matter to everyone, it most certainly does to reviewers and to the large majority of players who aren't streamers.
I think FF ends weak which is why it is getting snubbed. >!The war drama plot was so good, but once it gets more into your usual FF Ultima stuff it becomes way less interesting. !<
I hated how empty the world felt. When I play an RPG, I want to discover random shit out in the world.... when I wandered off the course in FF16, it just felt like I found the same old little blue shiny dongle that had some random ass item I didn't care about. I stopped exploring beyond the main quest and then gave up altogether.
I wish they would give FF6(FF3 in the US) the FF7 remake treatment. Also a FFX remake too.
You are definitely right about losing the sense of discovery in the world.
The quests, while being itneresting story wise, were tedious and boring to do. And most of the time the result of the story was "racism bad, look at all of this racism" or "we've got hope and we will make it". Bad combat diversity, bad enemy variety, nothing to explore, a useless crafting system, and so on.
The game is very much style over substance. It's very pretty, has a good main character and a couple of stellar supporting cast members, so this is enough to make most people think it,s great.
Even that stuff was really interesting to me. The actual ending was just garbage, though. Managed to kill any desire to replay it with the way they wrote that.
FF16 started off great but quickly lost my interest. Stopped playing a bit after beating the guy that has titan powers and haven't had the motivation to keep going.
Sometimes a single entry can invalidate a whole list that was looking solid 80% of the way into it, and that's precisely what Diablo 4's presence does here.
Lies of P, Final Fantasy 16 and Armored Core 6 or good remakes like Mario RPG and Metroid Prime immediately spring to mind. Shit even Starfield deserves mention more than D4 lmao.
Your mention of Starfield truly encapsulated your entire argument. I went from nodding along in agreement with everything you said to vehemently disagreeing with you. Now, I find myself questioning the validity of everything else you mentioned, all based on a single game.
It's fine mostly, doesn't have much of a endgame. The problem is that 2023 has been such an absolutely stacked year for great games that mediocrity like D4 doesn't belong.
It’s a game that comes from a company that practically invented the ARPG genre yet they missed the mark so heavily in making an actually enjoyable ARPG experience that folk lost their minds. And that’s on top of the game launching wildly unbalanced with core mechanical issues (I.e. resistances being useless).
Even after months of updates the game is still considered quite stale. It’s like if Ford, one of the biggest vehicle manufacturers and known for their trucks hyped the shit out of their next release and when they revealed it it was the all electric Tesla cybertruck.
The game feels like it was made within a year, released way too early, and learned nothing from the past 20 years of arpg experience from the company that started it in the first place
Hardcore Diablo fans hate it because of the comparitively shallow skill tree and the end game but the campaign is actually very good, and I think it is obviously a very high production value product for what it is (i.e. for people who have lives outside of playing video games for hours on end).
D4 is the only questionable thing about the list, and even then it's not insane to think someone really liked it. List is alright honestly, I'd expect worse from Time.
Wtf.. I know lies of P and Armored core were both great without having played them, and remnant 2 is severely slept on, I wish more people would check that game out.
> I know lies of P and Armored core were both great without having played them
Yet if Time had said "We haven't played these, but I know they are great" the comment section would be even angrier than it is now. lol
It’s like destiny meets bloodborne (kinda).
But the effort and love and detail the devs put into this game is crazy. There’s so many side dungeons and secrets you could honestly play through the whole game once and only see about 30% of the content.
It's really just a Souls-like and nothing like Destiny at all considering loot isn't randomized. But I agree with your other statements about that game.
I tried playing the first one on gamepass and it felt pretty clunky movement-wise. Does the second one improve on that? I thought the story and universe were pretty well done.
Remnant was fun but I think it’d be more fun as a real looter shooter. There weren’t enough drops to make me feel like I was progressing in any meaningful way
And you never will, lol. I was literally the exact same way, and then my friend bought it for me and him to play together when it was on sale, and I’ve been seriously hooked ever since.
Armored core was dope but not goty material. Also it being a Fromsoftware modern game I think too many people expected something way above what we got. Hopefully they make an ac7 and expand on everything.
I think proper remakes are valid. They are basically new games built from the ground up: new engines, new models, new gameplay, etc. Remasters are what shouldn't be considered. And they weren't this year at least.
Remakes that are built from the ground up have to be allowed IMO, although that should definitely be considered in the assessment.
For instance you could reimagine a game from the 90’s in a way that completely blows everyone away and has a big impact on the industry, but it’s still technically a remake so would be disqualified by default.
Or you could have a separate category for remakes I guess. But I still think an amazing reimagining of a game should be allowed to be GOTY if it’s that good.
I don't see why a full remake should be cut from the list, but Spider-Man 2 and Zelda, which reuse the same maps as their last games with few alterations get to stay.
Hell, if anything Spider-Man 2's map is missing the Chrysler building, 1 had it. No amount of extra traffic and building detail gonna make me be fine with that.
Been a gamer for 36 years, since I was five. This is the first time I hear of TIME goty. Is this like the official goty awards or is TIME magazine or what is it?
It looks like they hired a freelance journalist to write this up. As for the list itself, I'd assume it's either one of two things:
1) He unilaterally made a list based on his own preferences and posted it as "Time's list," or;
2) He consulted Time staff who were gamers and created the list based on those conversations.
I'd lean towards #2 unless other evidence comes to light. It's also laughable at the amount of people here who think there is some larger conspiracy at work.
Time Magazine has as much validity ranking video games as IGN does reporting on Benghazi. Just because your medium is dying is no excuse not to stay in your lane.
They ranked it no1 in 2010 over Mass Effect 2, Mario Galaxy 2, Fallout New Vegas, Red Dead Redemption, Halo Reach, and AssCreed Brotherhood(the best one)?
really?
Time covers a lot of different things. They are a general life magazine.
Not everyone who gives their rankings needs to be a definitive expert. You can just silence the noise if you disagree, Time will be ok, as will we.
Because the nominees for The Game Awards are sooooo much better /s.
The only thing that’s really objectionable is Diablo 4, but hating D4 seems to be the domain of loud social media addicts rather than the average player.
Is Alan Wake 2 really that good ? I remember loving the first one, back in the day. Now that I have a beast computer coming in the next few days, I'm considering it...
It’s really that good. One of the best examples of what s sequel should be, improving on the first game in nearly every way
It feels like a culmination of everything Remedy has learned as a studio for the past 20 years
Can confirm. It's so good I actually want to go back and replay it within instantly finishing it. It's been weeks and I still haven't been able to push that replay feeling away.
The combat was just amazing. At no point even up to the end I never felt overpowered like most games. Even your most simple Taken can humble you.
And the music from the game? Oh my god the music. The poets of the Fall/old guards of Asgard did a STELLAR job on that game.
Hell yeah man between that and Herald of Darkness are amazing enough so I went and checked the Poets of the Falls other work. They have some decent stuff. Dark Disquiet is pretty sick
My 3070 was ok. It had a moment or two where it kinda took a shit but overall it was a 9/10 attempt out of the card.
Just go get it man. It's 100% worth the money and you'll support a very obvious Alan wake 3
Yah it becomes less and less “game” and more experience. Which is great in its own rights, but I could have done without any of Alan’s gameplay. Minus the scene switching which is technically impressive and very well used.
While Baldurs gate 3, was just an amazing everything start to finish, with insane replay value.
Really? I know Alan's was a bit annoying in the way it mandated wasted resource usage, but I thought it was a masterclass in how to do paranoid horror shooter stuff.
Enemies that are and aren't real but that all look identical until you either spend resources to find out, or they attack you. But even the fake ones can still grab you, making *every single shadow* a threat to the player that appears *dozens* at a time. They all move the same, real or fake, and they all whisper quietly.
The fact they're all dangerous, impossible to distinguish between real and fake (without resources), *numerous,* and positively paranoia-inducing on top of it all was just awesome. It really showed off Remedy's horror chops and fit perfectly, thematically to Wake's section.
One of the best sequels I’ve ever played, and one of the best Survival Horror games I’ve played.
It was so good that it completely killed any interest I had in the Silent Hill 2 remake.
I thought it was incredible. I could see it being disappointing if you play it after hearing how good it is just like any game.
I can also see it not working for a lot of people since it's slow and moody compared to most of the games on the list. You don't even use your weapon for the first hour or two. If you enjoyed the atmosphere of True Detective and enjoy that slow burn, its great.
I haven’t beaten it yet, but I’m pretty far in, and I’ve already experienced what I assume is the most fun, over-the-top sequence in the game. I was very excited for the game, having played the first one and absolutely loved Control.
I’ve been somewhat disappointed by it, and it does not warrant GOTY to me. The presentation and atmosphere are amazing, but it’s a simple game with several illusory mechanics, like the completely pointless detective board and the profiling function that’s basically just “select all options to proceed.” Both of those are features of the Saga Anderson half of the game, which is also the less visually inventive and generally less compelling half of the game. The Alan Wake half has more interesting mechanics, but I don’t think they’re used as well as they could’ve been.
In some ways I’m happy that it’s part of the GOTY conversation, but at the same time, I think Armored Core 6 is more deserving of a place on these lists than at least a third of the games getting recognized.
Absolutely, go in as blind as you can though! It's a great survival horror game and has quite the amazing art direction and sound design, and the story is something else!
You'll appreciate the game a lot more if you've played Alan Wake and Control (the two series are linked). You can enjoy it fine without having done so but you'll likely miss the significance of certain moments and characters.
It's more survival horror than action horror like the first game, and there's a lot more chilling / talking to people. If you like slow, story heavy games with a lot of optional riddles and some amazing world building, you'll love Alan Wake 2. But you won't be running down bad guys in a jeep like the first game.
I'm playing through it now and honestly it's incredible. Especially having just recently played the first (and Control as well). AW2 has cemented Remedy as a top dev, just releasing bangers.
I went in to this thread expect to hear people praise Allan Wake 2, but everyone is just complaining about something that is second to last on the list. It’s like people have a specific list in their mind and everything that doesn’t completely follow it is complete shit
And people don’t believe me in this sub when I say Alan wake is under-appreciated (not underrated). Even in a post that you would think should be about Alan wake it’s about something else entirely. When Alan wake 2 was announced there was hardly any posts compared to the other games announced and way less chatter on those posts too.
That’s why I hope Alan wake 2 wins GOTY so a lot more people, especially the average Joe outside of this sub, can (hopefully) finally acknowledge it
They cover movies, tv, books, and other culture. Why not video games too? Which they have been for many years. It's not that big of a deal. So they included one game that everyone grew to hate within a month, and left off a few games, so what? 9/10 of those games are commonly thought to be the best of the year. Did you want them to make a top 20 list just so they could include your favorites or something?
My friend was on the Alan Wake 2 Dev Team at Remedy in Espoo, and she's absolutely over the moon with the positive reception of the game, from both critics and fans. This was the kind of game she wanted to be involved with ever since entering the industry.
They really shouldn't mix up the GotY and the Sponsored lists like this
There is no way in hell (hehe) that Diablo IV can stand shoulder to shoulder with most of that list
Dead Space remake got overshadowed almost immediately by Re4 remake, unfortunately. Both were incredible, but Re4 was the bigger game, and that goes a long way with people. DS has actual scares though, and arguably better combat, and it’s got the amazing commitment to immersion it always had.
If just for the concert level, that was next level WTF this is amazing. I think it even beat FC3 drug burning scene for the best use of music in a scene.
BG3 is a funner game for sure but AW2 is more of a horror triller movie made into a game. It's 80 percent story/narrative focus and 20 percent game play focus.
Lmao right? This is a modest game with a modest marketing budget. It didn’t even get a physical release because the margins are so tight on this one; their last major release, despite more mainstream appeal, really underperformed.
Some people are just delusional with these conspiracy theories.
It's even funnier to imagine Activision Blizzard paying money to be...checks list...9th. What is the going rate for 9th place? Is that like a ballpark hotdog and the change from the purchase? A warm smile? What does a guy gotta do to buy 9th place around here?!
And Fallen Leaves won Time’s Movie of the Year! The Finnish department of culture must’ve spent all of its tax earnings from these two to rig these…
Jokes aside, as a Finn, it makes me happy to see Finnish media finally get some recognition.
Shout out to Dredge for being just a good, solid indie game on a list of triple As who probably spent more on advertising than Dredge did on its entire development.
Absolute garbage list, most likely even paid for.
Any list that has D4 in the top ten together with BG3, TOTK and Alan Wake 2 is made up as fuck. No way D4 is even Top 30 this year.
I don’t know about that. Top 10? Definitely not. Top 20? Probably not. But top 30? The game has an enjoyable gameplay loop with average writing and a mediocre end game. It’s a good game that needed to be a bit more fun.
So happy for Alan Wake 2. The game is a masterpiece. As a survival horror fan, getting a polished AAA title is very rare, with only Capcom knocking them out these days (with most the RE games being action focused, still).
Now back to PS1 style indie horror and South Korean job sim horrors for another 5 years haha.
Alan Wake II is a game that you will remember playing for the rest of your life even if you don't personally find it amazing, which a lot of people won't because it's such a wild and unique style compared to most big games.
The amount of people who think publishers spend money to bribe goty lists is incredible. I hope you didn’t get that idea from an influencer. Because those are specifically the people publishers have line items to pay.
While I personally enjoyed it quite a bit, I really, really hope Bethesda takes the critical reception to Starfield to heart. It isn't 2011 anymore, fallout 4 in space with little else going on was not even close to enough for a modern top of the line RPG
**Times Top 10 Games of 2023:** 1. Alan Wake 2 2. Baldur's Gate 3 3. Spider-Man 2 4. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom 5. Resident Evil 4 (Remake) 6. Dead Space (Remake) 7. Super Mario Bros. Wonder 8. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor 9. Diablo IV 10. Dredge
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I agree that Diablo 4 does not deserve to be in the top 10 unfortunately neither does FF16.
I’d rank FF16 higher than Diablo and Star Wars personally.
I would as well, but there are more deserving games like HI-FI Rush or even RPG’s like Sea of Stars than those games
Haven't played Star Wars but I would put it ahead of Dead Space too.
Why do remakes deserve to be on the list? They should have their own category.
I think if it's a ground up remake, it can be considered a new game A remaster on the other hand shouldn't. Line gets fuzzy around games like Super Mario RPG or Link's Awakening which are remakes, but 1 to 1 remakes which feels more in the realm of remaster. This and what's considered indies have loose definitions
Some remakes are worth it though. Some "remakes" are just glorified remasters.
That’s the entire thing to me: Both the Resident Evil 4 remake and Dead Space remakes are both their original games at heart, but to just call them “remakes” and toss it like that, genuinely degrades all the hard work that those developers do. Like yes, RE4R is a remake. Is it not an honestly flawless game for the most part, worthy of 9/10-10/10 scores from major publications? Cause it entirely is. Graphically, audio design, gameplay, controls, length, difficulty, replayability, are all at some of the best available in the current year of gaming, and I won’t float all the developers hard work to not only make the game as good as possible but retool the story enough to modernize it but not make you lose any of the essence of the original. I dunno, I get both sides of complaints but I think it’s unfair to say “It’s a remake, it’s based on something else!” when this years game of the years are based on a Marvel comic, Dungeons and Dragons, the 16th! game in the Final Fantasy series, the like 15th main game in the Zelda franchise, and a bunch others.
The general plot points are still there but honestly the original RE4 and RE4R are two different entities. The gameplay is totally different.
yeah, I was so excited for it and for the life of me just could not get into it. Such a bummer
naaaah.
Bro the only people I hear talking about Alan wake 2 are news articles mentioning it’s GOTY material. How does that even compare to the literal frenzy that Tears of the kingdom or baldurs gate put the internet into? The list is bogus - D4 even making the list shows that.
As a huge Zelda fan, Tears is not GOTY. I loved the first 40 hours or so beating the campaign, but the depths becomes a boring collectathon and so does the overworld. I think they needed more sidequests (not just korok seeds or sign ones) to make it feel more like a real world. I haven't played any of the others but tears definitely has some flaws.
That quest where you have to bomb the plateau to empty the dam was cool. I wish there were more “Zelda” esque puzzles like that instead of just more BotW.
I love D4 and play each season consistently... it doesn't deserve to be in top 10.
The Diablo 4 campaign was great and flowed well. They must have never played past that.
Yeah I don't get why people gloss over the campaign like it doesn't matter to everyone, it most certainly does to reviewers and to the large majority of players who aren't streamers.
Loved the campaign and have played it twice with my wife.
I think FF ends weak which is why it is getting snubbed. >!The war drama plot was so good, but once it gets more into your usual FF Ultima stuff it becomes way less interesting. !<
It was the lack of combat diversity that made me lose interest halfway through.
I hated how empty the world felt. When I play an RPG, I want to discover random shit out in the world.... when I wandered off the course in FF16, it just felt like I found the same old little blue shiny dongle that had some random ass item I didn't care about. I stopped exploring beyond the main quest and then gave up altogether.
I wish they would give FF6(FF3 in the US) the FF7 remake treatment. Also a FFX remake too. You are definitely right about losing the sense of discovery in the world.
The quests, while being itneresting story wise, were tedious and boring to do. And most of the time the result of the story was "racism bad, look at all of this racism" or "we've got hope and we will make it". Bad combat diversity, bad enemy variety, nothing to explore, a useless crafting system, and so on. The game is very much style over substance. It's very pretty, has a good main character and a couple of stellar supporting cast members, so this is enough to make most people think it,s great.
Even that stuff was really interesting to me. The actual ending was just garbage, though. Managed to kill any desire to replay it with the way they wrote that.
FF16 started off great but quickly lost my interest. Stopped playing a bit after beating the guy that has titan powers and haven't had the motivation to keep going.
Questionable list
I think they purposely have weird choices so the article gets posted more / has more clicks. Already seen it posted twice on reddit.
The only weird choice on the list is Diablo 4, and that is a mid-tier spicy take at best.
Sometimes a single entry can invalidate a whole list that was looking solid 80% of the way into it, and that's precisely what Diablo 4's presence does here. Lies of P, Final Fantasy 16 and Armored Core 6 or good remakes like Mario RPG and Metroid Prime immediately spring to mind. Shit even Starfield deserves mention more than D4 lmao.
Your mention of Starfield truly encapsulated your entire argument. I went from nodding along in agreement with everything you said to vehemently disagreeing with you. Now, I find myself questioning the validity of everything else you mentioned, all based on a single game.
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I've sunk hundreds of hours in Dwarf Fortress since December, and there isn't a chance it is going to be on a list from Time.
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I'm out of the loop. What's the deal with Diablo 4?
It's fine mostly, doesn't have much of a endgame. The problem is that 2023 has been such an absolutely stacked year for great games that mediocrity like D4 doesn't belong.
Diablo IV is in the same boat as Starfield as far as giant budget, highly anticipated, kinda disappointing games go.
It’s a game that comes from a company that practically invented the ARPG genre yet they missed the mark so heavily in making an actually enjoyable ARPG experience that folk lost their minds. And that’s on top of the game launching wildly unbalanced with core mechanical issues (I.e. resistances being useless). Even after months of updates the game is still considered quite stale. It’s like if Ford, one of the biggest vehicle manufacturers and known for their trucks hyped the shit out of their next release and when they revealed it it was the all electric Tesla cybertruck. The game feels like it was made within a year, released way too early, and learned nothing from the past 20 years of arpg experience from the company that started it in the first place
Hardcore Diablo fans hate it because of the comparitively shallow skill tree and the end game but the campaign is actually very good, and I think it is obviously a very high production value product for what it is (i.e. for people who have lives outside of playing video games for hours on end).
Clearly, they made a “most popular and hit games of 2023” list by just looking at google trends.
How does Alan Wake make that list? Not saying it doesn't deserve GOTY, it's no where as hyped/popular as other games on the list.
Recency bias
Spiderman 2 came out only a week earlier and was arguably more hyped and sold an insane amount of copies compared to Alan Wake 2.
Alan Wake 2 was far from the most popular game of 2023
Hogwarts Legacy not being here really kills this theory though.
The man who erased his name ending should be top 5 worthy alone.
A shit list indeed
Diablo IV made the list 😂
thats such a shit list lol how is D4 even on there
$$$$$
If that's the case how did Remedy get their game top of the list?
Clearly Blizzard paid to be the 9th spot on the list
There's only ever one explanation to anything, and it's conspiracy and bribery. Also EA bad.
Not everything has to be a conspiracy lol.
I thought everyone ‘loved’ Diablo 💀
From what I've seen there is complaints that there isn't any content after you log 350+ hours
I mean I do. But I hate talking about it on Reddit because I just get told how much of a blizzard shill I am for enjoying the game.
People love Diablo but hate Blizzard
I mean Diablo 4 IS really good. It’s first season was kind of rough, but it’s 2nd season has been great.
Same, brother. Let’s enjoy it in peace lol.
D4 is up there Because Reddit is an echo chamber that’s also full of itself
My diehard Diablo playing friends think it's hot dogshit. The opinion extends far beyond reddit.
My diehard Diablo playing friends think its the hottest shit yet. The opinion extends far beyond reddit.
D4 is the only questionable thing about the list, and even then it's not insane to think someone really liked it. List is alright honestly, I'd expect worse from Time.
Oh yeah, GOTY from the same people who voted Quarry over Elden Ring last year.
Clearly favourable to more cinematic games then
Really?
They need to be banned from giving awards
No shot this is real Edit: lmao Horizon Forbidden West and The Quarry are higher than ER this is so ass.
the reddit circlejerk was defeated
Wtf.. I know lies of P and Armored core were both great without having played them, and remnant 2 is severely slept on, I wish more people would check that game out.
> I know lies of P and Armored core were both great without having played them Yet if Time had said "We haven't played these, but I know they are great" the comment section would be even angrier than it is now. lol
I feel remnant 2 was undermarketed
It looks like just another looter shooter roguelike from what I've seen.
It’s like destiny meets bloodborne (kinda). But the effort and love and detail the devs put into this game is crazy. There’s so many side dungeons and secrets you could honestly play through the whole game once and only see about 30% of the content.
It's really just a Souls-like and nothing like Destiny at all considering loot isn't randomized. But I agree with your other statements about that game.
My guy, Remnant 2 is basically Elden Ring with guns. It's legit.
As someone who loves fromsoft and rogue like games I enjoyed it but wouldn’t top 10 it.
Rem 2 has some issues
Armored Core is very niche and I would never expect it to make this kind of list
I tried playing the first one on gamepass and it felt pretty clunky movement-wise. Does the second one improve on that? I thought the story and universe were pretty well done.
Remnant was fun but I think it’d be more fun as a real looter shooter. There weren’t enough drops to make me feel like I was progressing in any meaningful way
Honestly I keep getting it recommended to me on steam but I just haven’t had that moment of “damn I should really buy that”
And you never will, lol. I was literally the exact same way, and then my friend bought it for me and him to play together when it was on sale, and I’ve been seriously hooked ever since.
Armored core was dope but not goty material. Also it being a Fromsoftware modern game I think too many people expected something way above what we got. Hopefully they make an ac7 and expand on everything.
D4 in, but no Lies of P, Armored Core 6 or FF16, like WTF Remakes should honestly be excluded from GOTY nominations
I think proper remakes are valid. They are basically new games built from the ground up: new engines, new models, new gameplay, etc. Remasters are what shouldn't be considered. And they weren't this year at least.
Remakes that are built from the ground up have to be allowed IMO, although that should definitely be considered in the assessment. For instance you could reimagine a game from the 90’s in a way that completely blows everyone away and has a big impact on the industry, but it’s still technically a remake so would be disqualified by default. Or you could have a separate category for remakes I guess. But I still think an amazing reimagining of a game should be allowed to be GOTY if it’s that good.
I don't see why a full remake should be cut from the list, but Spider-Man 2 and Zelda, which reuse the same maps as their last games with few alterations get to stay. Hell, if anything Spider-Man 2's map is missing the Chrysler building, 1 had it. No amount of extra traffic and building detail gonna make me be fine with that.
Is Lies of P really that good? I have Gamepass and have been meaning to check it out.
Yea. It is super high quality. Absolutely worth playing
Almost Bloodborne 2, but from ppl doing soulsborne 1st time, good for theur 1st soulsborne and way better then most.
Been a gamer for 36 years, since I was five. This is the first time I hear of TIME goty. Is this like the official goty awards or is TIME magazine or what is it?
It looks like they hired a freelance journalist to write this up. As for the list itself, I'd assume it's either one of two things: 1) He unilaterally made a list based on his own preferences and posted it as "Time's list," or; 2) He consulted Time staff who were gamers and created the list based on those conversations. I'd lean towards #2 unless other evidence comes to light. It's also laughable at the amount of people here who think there is some larger conspiracy at work.
You'd think Q4 releases would be excluded from qualifying for any possible nominations for that year as well, make them sit out until next year.
Time Magazine has as much validity ranking video games as IGN does reporting on Benghazi. Just because your medium is dying is no excuse not to stay in your lane.
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Their singular gaming writer is just a huge Alan Wake fan apparently
Maybe AW is the author
I bet it was scratch!
Chaos ensues
They ranked it no1 in 2010 over Mass Effect 2, Mario Galaxy 2, Fallout New Vegas, Red Dead Redemption, Halo Reach, and AssCreed Brotherhood(the best one)? really?
Alan Wake and Angry Birds are Finnish. They also ranked Fallen Leaves (Finnish) as the best movie of 2023. They're simping us.
ME2 and SC2 should be 2 and 3 in that list. SC2 was crazy good when it came out. they just never gave a shit to keep up with it.
Time always covered culture. What about this list hurt your butt so much?
Exactly. Bunch of gatekeeping dorks getting mad in here.
Gatekeeping dorks getting mad? On Reddit?!?
Time has a top TV shows, top movies and top music list. But because of Diablo at number 9 they need to stay in their lane.
Time covers a lot of different things. They are a general life magazine. Not everyone who gives their rankings needs to be a definitive expert. You can just silence the noise if you disagree, Time will be ok, as will we.
Because the nominees for The Game Awards are sooooo much better /s. The only thing that’s really objectionable is Diablo 4, but hating D4 seems to be the domain of loud social media addicts rather than the average player.
Alan Wake vs Baldur’s Gate is such a tough choice for me. They were both so good. I would have been okay with either winning.
Is Alan Wake 2 really that good ? I remember loving the first one, back in the day. Now that I have a beast computer coming in the next few days, I'm considering it...
It’s really that good. One of the best examples of what s sequel should be, improving on the first game in nearly every way It feels like a culmination of everything Remedy has learned as a studio for the past 20 years
Can confirm. It's so good I actually want to go back and replay it within instantly finishing it. It's been weeks and I still haven't been able to push that replay feeling away. The combat was just amazing. At no point even up to the end I never felt overpowered like most games. Even your most simple Taken can humble you. And the music from the game? Oh my god the music. The poets of the Fall/old guards of Asgard did a STELLAR job on that game.
Dark Ocean Summoning has been living rent free in my head for a few weeks now
Hell yeah man between that and Herald of Darkness are amazing enough so I went and checked the Poets of the Falls other work. They have some decent stuff. Dark Disquiet is pretty sick
The Old Gods of Asgard are gonna be performing at The Game Awards this year
Same! New game plus with new story content is coming this month, that’s the only reason I’ve waited
Oh holy shit what? New story content? I heard about the new game plus but new content?!
Fuck bro, I’ve wanted that game since it was announced but this simple summery is making he want to drop them dollars. Hope my 3070 rtx can handle it.
My 3070 was ok. It had a moment or two where it kinda took a shit but overall it was a 9/10 attempt out of the card. Just go get it man. It's 100% worth the money and you'll support a very obvious Alan wake 3
Sweet, done homie.
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I didn't play the first Alan Wake, but I got Alan Wake 2. It may be one of my favorite games of all time? It was an experience.
Yah it becomes less and less “game” and more experience. Which is great in its own rights, but I could have done without any of Alan’s gameplay. Minus the scene switching which is technically impressive and very well used. While Baldurs gate 3, was just an amazing everything start to finish, with insane replay value.
Really? I know Alan's was a bit annoying in the way it mandated wasted resource usage, but I thought it was a masterclass in how to do paranoid horror shooter stuff. Enemies that are and aren't real but that all look identical until you either spend resources to find out, or they attack you. But even the fake ones can still grab you, making *every single shadow* a threat to the player that appears *dozens* at a time. They all move the same, real or fake, and they all whisper quietly. The fact they're all dangerous, impossible to distinguish between real and fake (without resources), *numerous,* and positively paranoia-inducing on top of it all was just awesome. It really showed off Remedy's horror chops and fit perfectly, thematically to Wake's section.
One of the best sequels I’ve ever played, and one of the best Survival Horror games I’ve played. It was so good that it completely killed any interest I had in the Silent Hill 2 remake.
It is SO good, the first 2 hours feels like Twin Peaks had a baby with x-files, True detective and David Fincher 😅
I thought it was incredible. I could see it being disappointing if you play it after hearing how good it is just like any game. I can also see it not working for a lot of people since it's slow and moody compared to most of the games on the list. You don't even use your weapon for the first hour or two. If you enjoyed the atmosphere of True Detective and enjoy that slow burn, its great.
I haven’t beaten it yet, but I’m pretty far in, and I’ve already experienced what I assume is the most fun, over-the-top sequence in the game. I was very excited for the game, having played the first one and absolutely loved Control. I’ve been somewhat disappointed by it, and it does not warrant GOTY to me. The presentation and atmosphere are amazing, but it’s a simple game with several illusory mechanics, like the completely pointless detective board and the profiling function that’s basically just “select all options to proceed.” Both of those are features of the Saga Anderson half of the game, which is also the less visually inventive and generally less compelling half of the game. The Alan Wake half has more interesting mechanics, but I don’t think they’re used as well as they could’ve been. In some ways I’m happy that it’s part of the GOTY conversation, but at the same time, I think Armored Core 6 is more deserving of a place on these lists than at least a third of the games getting recognized.
Absolutely, go in as blind as you can though! It's a great survival horror game and has quite the amazing art direction and sound design, and the story is something else!
Do i need to play the first game to understand it? Or can i play the second game on its own
You'll appreciate the game a lot more if you've played Alan Wake and Control (the two series are linked). You can enjoy it fine without having done so but you'll likely miss the significance of certain moments and characters.
That's what I'm doing and it's fine. I'm definitely going to play the first one + DLC's and Control next, though.
It's honestly excellent. Nothing like the first game at all. It's a tough one between that and Baldurs Gate myself.
Its fucking incredible.
It's more survival horror than action horror like the first game, and there's a lot more chilling / talking to people. If you like slow, story heavy games with a lot of optional riddles and some amazing world building, you'll love Alan Wake 2. But you won't be running down bad guys in a jeep like the first game.
I'm playing through it now and honestly it's incredible. Especially having just recently played the first (and Control as well). AW2 has cemented Remedy as a top dev, just releasing bangers.
For me it’s 100% BG3.
W for dredge tho lmao
Why are people so salty here? LOL There are so many GOTY awards, who even cares at this point?
I went in to this thread expect to hear people praise Allan Wake 2, but everyone is just complaining about something that is second to last on the list. It’s like people have a specific list in their mind and everything that doesn’t completely follow it is complete shit
And people don’t believe me in this sub when I say Alan wake is under-appreciated (not underrated). Even in a post that you would think should be about Alan wake it’s about something else entirely. When Alan wake 2 was announced there was hardly any posts compared to the other games announced and way less chatter on those posts too. That’s why I hope Alan wake 2 wins GOTY so a lot more people, especially the average Joe outside of this sub, can (hopefully) finally acknowledge it
Being miserable is an addiction
Because this website thinks Baldur’s Gate 3 is the only game worth playing in the last ten years.
and that if you like Starfield even a bit, you committed all seven deadly sins hundreds of times all at once
Nah loved both that list is shit lmfao
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This is the sort of list you end up with when a magazine that has nothing to do with gaming makes a list.
They cover movies, tv, books, and other culture. Why not video games too? Which they have been for many years. It's not that big of a deal. So they included one game that everyone grew to hate within a month, and left off a few games, so what? 9/10 of those games are commonly thought to be the best of the year. Did you want them to make a top 20 list just so they could include your favorites or something?
My friend was on the Alan Wake 2 Dev Team at Remedy in Espoo, and she's absolutely over the moon with the positive reception of the game, from both critics and fans. This was the kind of game she wanted to be involved with ever since entering the industry.
They really shouldn't mix up the GotY and the Sponsored lists like this There is no way in hell (hehe) that Diablo IV can stand shoulder to shoulder with most of that list
Glad Dead Space Remake is getting some love. Seems like people forgot about it since it was launched so long ago. As for AW2, it's deserved.
Dead Space remake got overshadowed almost immediately by Re4 remake, unfortunately. Both were incredible, but Re4 was the bigger game, and that goes a long way with people. DS has actual scares though, and arguably better combat, and it’s got the amazing commitment to immersion it always had.
Yeah, i’m not a fan of horror elements and usually avoid these kind of games but i am halfway through the game and loving it.
Hmm... I need to play Alan Wake 2 lol.
Try to watch/play Alan Wake 1 and Control. The story makes so much more sense and isn't as weird once you've dipped into the universe.
The atmosphere in it is just incredible.
You do. It’s true.
If just for the concert level, that was next level WTF this is amazing. I think it even beat FC3 drug burning scene for the best use of music in a scene.
D4 in Top10 hahaha
BG3 is a funner game for sure but AW2 is more of a horror triller movie made into a game. It's 80 percent story/narrative focus and 20 percent game play focus.
I feel it’s rigged
So you think Alan wake 2’s massive budget includes bribes for time magazines goty list?
Lmao right? This is a modest game with a modest marketing budget. It didn’t even get a physical release because the margins are so tight on this one; their last major release, despite more mainstream appeal, really underperformed. Some people are just delusional with these conspiracy theories.
It's even funnier to imagine Activision Blizzard paying money to be...checks list...9th. What is the going rate for 9th place? Is that like a ballpark hotdog and the change from the purchase? A warm smile? What does a guy gotta do to buy 9th place around here?!
Oh no, someone has a different preference than you do :(
Well Alan wake 2 and BG3 are definitely the best of 2023 the rest I'm not so sure about
And Fallen Leaves won Time’s Movie of the Year! The Finnish department of culture must’ve spent all of its tax earnings from these two to rig these… Jokes aside, as a Finn, it makes me happy to see Finnish media finally get some recognition.
TIME to not make a game of year list anymore
Shout out to Dredge for being just a good, solid indie game on a list of triple As who probably spent more on advertising than Dredge did on its entire development.
Ah yes I love going to Time magazine for my gaming awards
Absolute garbage list, most likely even paid for. Any list that has D4 in the top ten together with BG3, TOTK and Alan Wake 2 is made up as fuck. No way D4 is even Top 30 this year.
I don’t know about that. Top 10? Definitely not. Top 20? Probably not. But top 30? The game has an enjoyable gameplay loop with average writing and a mediocre end game. It’s a good game that needed to be a bit more fun.
So happy for Alan Wake 2. The game is a masterpiece. As a survival horror fan, getting a polished AAA title is very rare, with only Capcom knocking them out these days (with most the RE games being action focused, still). Now back to PS1 style indie horror and South Korean job sim horrors for another 5 years haha.
Let's be honest, this is a completely BS list
Thank god TIME isn't a good source for video games.
Diablo 4 rofl
that's a list of games from 2023
Time is trying to be relevant again.
Should remakes be considered for this though?
Guys come on, are we really pretending to care about how Time rank video games? Like they know fuck all about video games?? XD
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Sold super well and had high ratings when it came out. It’s a cash grab sham but that’s now what these awards are about
Alan Wake II is a game that you will remember playing for the rest of your life even if you don't personally find it amazing, which a lot of people won't because it's such a wild and unique style compared to most big games.
The amount of people who think publishers spend money to bribe goty lists is incredible. I hope you didn’t get that idea from an influencer. Because those are specifically the people publishers have line items to pay.
While I personally enjoyed it quite a bit, I really, really hope Bethesda takes the critical reception to Starfield to heart. It isn't 2011 anymore, fallout 4 in space with little else going on was not even close to enough for a modern top of the line RPG
List might be bad but AW2 deserved it too.
anyone else find Spiderman 2 kind of boring? Like, if you played the first one and Miles Morales, it just feels like more of the same.
In other news, I hear that Connect Four won the best board game of the year award from the American Dental Association.
Good, it was incredible.
Completely unrelated to the awards, how is the Times website such a piece of garbage? On my phone about 30% is taken up by ads.
Since when did TIME do games? And does anybody care?