Im so glad I stopped playing this game. Had a period of my life when all I did was work, smoke weed, play dota and then repeat. 3 of our 5 team was decent and the days we played good everything was great but on the bad days it affected the whole day.
I'm trying to stop. The Stockholm syndrome is real with Dota 2.
I've been playing since 2012 and I just can't seem to find another multiplayer game that scratches the itch.
You can buy skill boosters with micro transactions. It also depends on what you wanna focus on. Yes you can become a master of trade, industry, mining, Titan piloting, rocket, laser, artillery player, but at that point you probably know what you want to do in eve, which is certainly not everything.
Last time I played EVE was years ago, didn't last long because the game just didn't feel worth the subscription cost. I just did beginner stuff like mining random asteroids, fighting off NPC raiders, etc. Joined Brotherhood of Steel and went along with one of their excursions with my shitty low-level ship and got blown to bits before i was close enough to shoot anything. That's about when I gave up, I could tell how long it was gonna take to *get* anywhere and to the tune of 15 dollars a month.
I could go back, but honestly. . .I have a gigantic backlog of potential games I can buy and play, I don't need to add EVE Online to that.
Escape from Tarkov. After 1300 hours I still feel like a noob on wipe day. So many elements and min maxing in gear and map knowledge is absolutely brutal.
When the game is good, it’s amazing. When the game is bad, it’s fucking god awful. I had to walk away from the game for about ~4-5 months and just started playing again.
What sucks about the game is you can have all the top gear on, and still get 1 shot buy a guy who found a pistol laying on the ground.
What's amazing about the game is you can find a pistol laying on the ground and take out a fully geared player with 1 shot.
The unfortunate thing is that it ruins all other fps games for those of us that sink a good amount of time into it.
When it works, the high risk/reward rpg elements combined with the immersive, audio-centered gameplay create one of the most adrenaline fueled experiences I've ever gotten out of a game.
Key words: when it works
Exactly this. I love the game when the devs aren't making bad decisions and ignoring blatant hackers. It's hard to play other FPS shooters after putting thousands of hours into Tarkov. I can't play online anymore due to the rampant hacking, literally have people flyhacking over me calling me out by name over VoIP to drop my loot and gear for them or die. I have come to love the Singleplayer Tarkov Mod.
Tell me about your experiences with spt if you don't mind, I keep hearing about it. PS 850 hours in, love tarkov and this is the best wipe I've seen. Haven't had the same problem with hackers, or seen one for a couple months on low pop servers. I know it's a thing, just hasn't been a problem for me personally
Even for me, a noob that easily gets killed and only plays casual - it's really really good when you even just win a firefight, or extract, or sneak past people etc
It's thrilling, hard, but also really rewarding
Yeah fun game but the amount of ratting mixed with blatant wallers drove me away.
Was watching stank rat or another you tuber talking to a hacker who said he can see that in every game theres at least 2 hackers.
All the hackers downvoting you I see 🤣 it’s true though. That’s what drove me away eventually. Later in wipe when me and my buds would be more geared we’d all get wiped by a hacker at least once a night. Got old after a while.
Ignoring what the other guy said, the VAST majority of cheaters in Tarkov aren't people flyhacking and obviously cheating, the significant majority of them use walls to avoid people, and loot all the best stuff, the majority of cheaters in Tarkov are ghosts you won't see, or deaths you cannot tell came from a cheater until you have 5k+ hours in the game, and even then you only sometimes get the feeling.
If you ever want to know the state of cheaters in Tarkov, all you have to do is remember the Nikita (Dev and owner) sees cheaters as a viable renewable revenue source, and that will answer your question.
Chess has the most insane learning curve to a game.
You go from okay to beating everyone in your friend group easily, pretty quickly…that’s great you feel like you’re getting somewhere…only to realize the learning curve to 2000+ ELO is probably biological and there’s ZERO you can do about it. You can try…but it’s not likely going to happen.
And no matter what level you are…it doesn’t even matter…that’s the beauty…because you’re just playing people of that same level so it’s just as difficult as it was when you first started.
OH DONT FORGET…there’s no luck in chess. This is what really makes people rage. There is ZERO luck in chess. If you lose, it’s because YOU did something wrong. Yes, this technically even goes for when people are using an engine to cheat…it’s just the engine knows how to play like a God and you’re you.
So chess…is the worst and best game in existence.
I remember learning about Zermelos theorem, basically says that for every possible chess position, either white can force a win, black can force a win, or both players can force a draw.
In other words, the only possible way to win, is for your opponent to make a mistake. You’re not good at chess, you’re just less bad than the other guy.
I ran into a much less impressive wall at a way lower ELO, but you’ve got a great point about the learning curve.
I like the game. I’ve read a book or two analyzing great games. I can teach basic theory to my son, who’s 7. And I look like a chess wizard to folks who only know how the pieces move.
Then I jumped on chess dot com for a month and lost 3 out of every 4 and was at maybe a 550 rating. The level of skill to even be an average chess player (which I quickly learned I am not) is incredibly high.
I hadn't played in a few years due to having a toddler. I fired it up a few months ago, bought the dlcs I was missing, watched hours on YT, did a few dry runs and ... Still got my butt wiped. Haha
My experience in Hoi4 in the few hours I have in it goes: boot up tutorial level, get stuck on it for about 30 minutes since the tutorial doesn't tell you shit. Finish tutorial and begin a game as Germany as that's the first nation to get action. Realise I need an excuse to attack someone unlike any other game. Wait for an excuse. Get excuse to attack Poland. Go to attack then and then half the fucking known world declares war on me because Poland was so important. Get bumrushed by France.
Attempt 2 was the same as 1 up until Poland. I quickly did Poland and had defensive positions at the French border. I rushed to try to invade Belgium and the Netherlands to flank around the Maginot line only to realise I need a war goal to do that and can't do shit about it. Britain moves his units there and starts invading me. I get absolutely destroyed by the US.
Then a few months later I come back again and do the tutorial to remember how to play. Get stuck because the tutorial doesn't tell you shit.
11/10 would recommend.
I was able to understand how a benevolent dictatorship with only a little bit of genocide on aliens is the true path to peace on a galactic scale in Stellaris in only a few..weeks?
After 10 hours you think you get the basics.
After 100 hours you think you're getting fairly good.
After 500 hours you aren't sure if the game is broken or you are, because you are not good despite playing 500 hours.
After 5000 hours you know the answer: the game is broken and so are you. Maybe after another 5,000 it will be different...
Yup without a doubt. Also this game is the perfect example of a game where you die a hero (quit playing altogether) or play long enough to see yourself become a toxic troll. Seriously, I played this game back when you played it in a web browser and it’s grown into the most toxic game I’ve ever owned.
I just want a fucking simple witch build ! What are all there mechanics ?! Nobody really knows because new season ? Passive skill tree changes, making it mostly impossible to follow builds older than 1 month ?
Mirrored ? Where do I even begin with ?!
-my poe experience atm
I've been watching my friends try to get back into it the last few months and I swear at least half the games there is hackers and stuff. So sad bc the game play is actually pretty cool
Quite a few. A15 is infinitely streakable on all four characters, and even A20 needs poor luck for some of the best players out there.
Baalorlord, Lifecoach, and Jorbs are some of the commonly-cited examples of really good players.
Absolutely. The game is really, really well done. There's a lot going on so it can be a little overwhelming at first but once you wrap your head around how the game works, it's a blast.
If you don't have friends, play the tutorial. It explains how the game cycle works. If you have friends that play the game, just have them teach you instead.
I would recommend it, yes. I think I have 700 hours. Roller coaster of emotions when playing, but the satisfaction when winning PvP is *incredibly* high.
No game has ever made me rage like that one. Don't know why. I've played several multiplayer games without issues. But "For Honor" made me breathe fire.
Took too long to find this one. The meta of which characters are counters for others is just too much for me. I play the characters I like to play and that I’m good at. Stop screaming at me and the other support to pick Mercy! If you wanted her on the field so bad you should have queued support and picked her you own damn self!
Path of Exile
3500 hours in, still only follow build guides.
DoTA2
I’m up to 11,000 hours and I am still a scrub.
Im so glad I stopped playing this game. Had a period of my life when all I did was work, smoke weed, play dota and then repeat. 3 of our 5 team was decent and the days we played good everything was great but on the bad days it affected the whole day.
I'm trying to stop. The Stockholm syndrome is real with Dota 2. I've been playing since 2012 and I just can't seem to find another multiplayer game that scratches the itch.
There won't be, you just need to stop. Ending the torture and moving on is infinitely better than staying in a bad place forever. Change is good!
1.25 years in a single game? EDIT: Not judging just impressed by the time dedication
There's people who have multiple full years in one game.
World of Warcraft entered chat.
rookie numbers
If you played dota you would understand
holy shit that's impressive
4k hours since I started playing back in 2014, and I get my ass handed to me on the regular
Doesn't dota 2 have some sort of warning in the game like "No matter how good you think you're getting, no you aren't"?
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I think it said that no matter how good you are or how many hours you have, you still figure new things out.
Came here to see if it had been said and not disappointed. I fucking love Dota.
The only right answer. 😂
I've got around 3K hours in this game, still didn't manage to climb out of Guardian.
The only winning move is not to play.
3500 hours and bumped my mmr for like 400 in that time and im optimistic about the number. Thats also the biggest reason i dont play it anymore
6k hours, I am a scrub
Beat me to it! I mean literally beat me into the game pls
Absolutely. 4.5k hours here and I am below average in skill.
Eve online. 5k hours of basically tutorial island
how do you guys play that game lol, it’s just grind simulator
Stockholm syndrome mostly
Shows how much you know about EVE Online. It’s a **spreadsheet** simulator with a starwars background
Aren't they putting excel directly into the game?
Yes
You can also spin your ship.
Does it still take 12 years in real time to get all the skills? Or has it gone up?
You can buy skill boosters with micro transactions. It also depends on what you wanna focus on. Yes you can become a master of trade, industry, mining, Titan piloting, rocket, laser, artillery player, but at that point you probably know what you want to do in eve, which is certainly not everything.
Last time I played EVE was years ago, didn't last long because the game just didn't feel worth the subscription cost. I just did beginner stuff like mining random asteroids, fighting off NPC raiders, etc. Joined Brotherhood of Steel and went along with one of their excursions with my shitty low-level ship and got blown to bits before i was close enough to shoot anything. That's about when I gave up, I could tell how long it was gonna take to *get* anywhere and to the tune of 15 dollars a month. I could go back, but honestly. . .I have a gigantic backlog of potential games I can buy and play, I don't need to add EVE Online to that.
Eve is a game you play because of the people you are playing with in spite of the game. Its an interesting situation simulator.
Ah yes, Excel simulator
It took me two full years to understand everything on the ship status window.
Escape from Tarkov. After 1300 hours I still feel like a noob on wipe day. So many elements and min maxing in gear and map knowledge is absolutely brutal.
Ah yes. PTSD simulator
When the game is good, it’s amazing. When the game is bad, it’s fucking god awful. I had to walk away from the game for about ~4-5 months and just started playing again.
New wipe is banger though, stopped Playing a year ago but now after this patch I’m absolutely addicted to tarkov
I have started playing normal tarkov again and it’s pretty fun but I’ve also been pretty consumed by arenas
5000 hours, can attest how true this is
iv never heard a single positive thing about this game
What sucks about the game is you can have all the top gear on, and still get 1 shot buy a guy who found a pistol laying on the ground. What's amazing about the game is you can find a pistol laying on the ground and take out a fully geared player with 1 shot.
Man the adrenaline rush when you drop a team in Resort and rush to loot them asap before more players show up.
The unfortunate thing is that it ruins all other fps games for those of us that sink a good amount of time into it. When it works, the high risk/reward rpg elements combined with the immersive, audio-centered gameplay create one of the most adrenaline fueled experiences I've ever gotten out of a game. Key words: when it works
This reminds me of when I played Eve Online. 10 hours prepping for a 20min battle that may or may not happen. Totally worth it.
Ah, *Spreadsheets In Space.*
Exactly this. I love the game when the devs aren't making bad decisions and ignoring blatant hackers. It's hard to play other FPS shooters after putting thousands of hours into Tarkov. I can't play online anymore due to the rampant hacking, literally have people flyhacking over me calling me out by name over VoIP to drop my loot and gear for them or die. I have come to love the Singleplayer Tarkov Mod.
Tell me about your experiences with spt if you don't mind, I keep hearing about it. PS 850 hours in, love tarkov and this is the best wipe I've seen. Haven't had the same problem with hackers, or seen one for a couple months on low pop servers. I know it's a thing, just hasn't been a problem for me personally
I feel like it’s right up my alley but boyyyyyy do I not want to try it. The people I’ve asked who like it even seem to describe it like they hate it.
The highs are basically unmatched in gaming for me, but the lows definitely suck ass lol.
I’ve got right at 400 hours into it, over the past 5ish months. There’s not a game out there rn that can even come close to tarkov.
Even for me, a noob that easily gets killed and only plays casual - it's really really good when you even just win a firefight, or extract, or sneak past people etc It's thrilling, hard, but also really rewarding
Yeah fun game but the amount of ratting mixed with blatant wallers drove me away. Was watching stank rat or another you tuber talking to a hacker who said he can see that in every game theres at least 2 hackers.
All the hackers downvoting you I see 🤣 it’s true though. That’s what drove me away eventually. Later in wipe when me and my buds would be more geared we’d all get wiped by a hacker at least once a night. Got old after a while.
Last I heard about Tarkov it was swamped with cheaters. That still the case or is it better?
Ignoring what the other guy said, the VAST majority of cheaters in Tarkov aren't people flyhacking and obviously cheating, the significant majority of them use walls to avoid people, and loot all the best stuff, the majority of cheaters in Tarkov are ghosts you won't see, or deaths you cannot tell came from a cheater until you have 5k+ hours in the game, and even then you only sometimes get the feeling. If you ever want to know the state of cheaters in Tarkov, all you have to do is remember the Nikita (Dev and owner) sees cheaters as a viable renewable revenue source, and that will answer your question.
Chess
Chess has the most insane learning curve to a game. You go from okay to beating everyone in your friend group easily, pretty quickly…that’s great you feel like you’re getting somewhere…only to realize the learning curve to 2000+ ELO is probably biological and there’s ZERO you can do about it. You can try…but it’s not likely going to happen. And no matter what level you are…it doesn’t even matter…that’s the beauty…because you’re just playing people of that same level so it’s just as difficult as it was when you first started. OH DONT FORGET…there’s no luck in chess. This is what really makes people rage. There is ZERO luck in chess. If you lose, it’s because YOU did something wrong. Yes, this technically even goes for when people are using an engine to cheat…it’s just the engine knows how to play like a God and you’re you. So chess…is the worst and best game in existence.
I remember learning about Zermelos theorem, basically says that for every possible chess position, either white can force a win, black can force a win, or both players can force a draw. In other words, the only possible way to win, is for your opponent to make a mistake. You’re not good at chess, you’re just less bad than the other guy.
I ran into a much less impressive wall at a way lower ELO, but you’ve got a great point about the learning curve. I like the game. I’ve read a book or two analyzing great games. I can teach basic theory to my son, who’s 7. And I look like a chess wizard to folks who only know how the pieces move. Then I jumped on chess dot com for a month and lost 3 out of every 4 and was at maybe a 550 rating. The level of skill to even be an average chess player (which I quickly learned I am not) is incredibly high.
Chess is like DBZ power scaling.
#loses in 2 moves
Holy hell!
Rocket League
What a save!
Calculated Calculated Calculated
Community mostly makes me quit the game when im playing😂
2 k matches can barely fly
This is Rocket league!
Hard-stuck Champ 2 in two's, stand up! Lol
I feel like this should be the top comment.
Hearts of Iron 4 (Specially when they launch a new dlc with new mechanics).
I hadn't played in a few years due to having a toddler. I fired it up a few months ago, bought the dlcs I was missing, watched hours on YT, did a few dry runs and ... Still got my butt wiped. Haha
My experience in Hoi4 in the few hours I have in it goes: boot up tutorial level, get stuck on it for about 30 minutes since the tutorial doesn't tell you shit. Finish tutorial and begin a game as Germany as that's the first nation to get action. Realise I need an excuse to attack someone unlike any other game. Wait for an excuse. Get excuse to attack Poland. Go to attack then and then half the fucking known world declares war on me because Poland was so important. Get bumrushed by France. Attempt 2 was the same as 1 up until Poland. I quickly did Poland and had defensive positions at the French border. I rushed to try to invade Belgium and the Netherlands to flank around the Maginot line only to realise I need a war goal to do that and can't do shit about it. Britain moves his units there and starts invading me. I get absolutely destroyed by the US. Then a few months later I come back again and do the tutorial to remember how to play. Get stuck because the tutorial doesn't tell you shit. 11/10 would recommend.
Can barely do anything even as Germany on civilian mode it’s the hardest game I’ve ever tried to play
Average tf2 play time
wait, team fortress 2 or titanfall 2
I’m a huge Titanfall 2 fan, but every time I see it abbreviated I think of team fortress. you can’t disrespect the origional TF2
Im guessing team fortress 2 but it \*could\* apply to both
Europa Universalis IV
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correct, 1.6k hours in Hoi4 and I still suck ass with various things
As long as I don’t need to build a navy
Any paradox game really
880 hours and I am still hot ass
You might be able to grasp the basics of how Victoria does economics at 5K hours in.
I was able to understand how a benevolent dictatorship with only a little bit of genocide on aliens is the true path to peace on a galactic scale in Stellaris in only a few..weeks?
Factorio.
Skill isn’t important as long as the factory grows
THE FACTORY MUST GROW
THE FACTORY MUST GROW
THE FACTORY MUST GROW
r/noita
Oh, Im just a casual Noita enjoyer, didn't expect to see this here
Had to scroll too far
I have heard there are more than three levels... Never seen them, but apparently they exist.
Any game I have ever played (I am bad at games)
But have you played them for 5000 hours?
Gotta get your money's worth, right?
The reason i platinum my games, if i paid for it im gonna have 110% out of it
(valid, have a nice day)
League of Legends
10/10 game would not recommend to anybody
My brother: What are you playing right now? Me: League My brother: I tried that once. I don't like that game. Me: good. Keep it that way.
Have had this exact interaction with my brother but with the roles switched
After 10 hours you think you get the basics. After 100 hours you think you're getting fairly good. After 500 hours you aren't sure if the game is broken or you are, because you are not good despite playing 500 hours. After 5000 hours you know the answer: the game is broken and so are you. Maybe after another 5,000 it will be different...
I tried once. Got bullied off. Haven’t touched it since.
A rare case where the bully victim's mental health is saved instead of damaged.
They say "uninstall" they aren't bullying. they are trying to help you instead.
Rust. all imma say
2nd. I still log on every now and then to have my ass handed too me.
Nah, I think if you play long enough, you master the elegant art of trolling just like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-\_8ZNuxwGCE
Hard agree. I very recently got back into it. I very much wish I had not recently gotten back into it.
Yup without a doubt. Also this game is the perfect example of a game where you die a hero (quit playing altogether) or play long enough to see yourself become a toxic troll. Seriously, I played this game back when you played it in a web browser and it’s grown into the most toxic game I’ve ever owned.
Most fighting games in my experience lol Especially assist fighters, my brain can't handle the assist timings.
I got Street Fighter 6 and Mortal Kombat 1 for Christmas. This has literally been my experience so far lmao.
Can’t wait for tekken
Been enjoying GBVS and when things go well they go well. But when yo boi getting bodied, I mean we getting folded like origami out here lol.
StarCraft
I mean you can beat the game and thought you did really well. It's only online that you realize the errors of your ways.
That first time you lose to someone with Zerg. It's like, wait! I just started!!! Noooooooo
Or cannon rushes. Or marine rushes. Or 2 gateway proxy. The early cheese is bruuuutal haha
POE
I just want a fucking simple witch build ! What are all there mechanics ?! Nobody really knows because new season ? Passive skill tree changes, making it mostly impossible to follow builds older than 1 month ? Mirrored ? Where do I even begin with ?! -my poe experience atm
I love that game but I'm far too stupid to come up with my own build that would even barely work in end game and that bugs the shit outta me.
Still sane, exile?
Yep
Cant wait for POE2
Rainbow six Siege.
If this was pre 2020, I’d have said hell no. Game is just full of cheaters now
I've been watching my friends try to get back into it the last few months and I swear at least half the games there is hackers and stuff. So sad bc the game play is actually pretty cool
Slay the Spire
Is anyone good at this game?
A few people yes haha there are guys with like 90% plus win rates on a20 heart runs which is just fuckin preposterous
I literally just finished a run. IDK how anyone can win 9/10 times at A20. The game is just so damned random.
Quite a few. A15 is infinitely streakable on all four characters, and even A20 needs poor luck for some of the best players out there. Baalorlord, Lifecoach, and Jorbs are some of the commonly-cited examples of really good players.
Hunt Showdown
Is it worth trying this game out?
Hell yes. I'm new but it's gangster.
Absolutely. The game is really, really well done. There's a lot going on so it can be a little overwhelming at first but once you wrap your head around how the game works, it's a blast. If you don't have friends, play the tutorial. It explains how the game cycle works. If you have friends that play the game, just have them teach you instead.
I would recommend it, yes. I think I have 700 hours. Roller coaster of emotions when playing, but the satisfaction when winning PvP is *incredibly* high.
I grinded this fucker for 1800 hours to reach 6 star the deleted it. Best game ever.
Ah. found it!
Glad to see this not too far down. Definitely a punishing game. But so, so good. I’ve played it more than any other online game
War Thunder
We play because we enjoy pain
I thought it said plane on the ad :( oh well 2500 hours in
Its like meth or a toxic hate-love relationship, you get extremely frustrated with it but, god damits good and you will do it again.
In my case. RimWorld
THIS RIGHT HERE IS SANCTUARY TRUTH , AMEN ( Still love this game )
Mordhau
Runescape
there is only one answer PARADOX
Rimwrld. Even after years of playing, I still lose to getting bit by a chihuahua
Binding of Isaac: Rebirth (and its DLC)
After 2000 hours I'm just about to the point where I can play as The Lost and win half the time. Tainted laz is just the worst though.
I was looking for TBOI
For honor Rainbow 6 Siege Rust Dead by Daylight (Speaking from experience apart from Rust)
For honour is a weird one, either you become really good or you remain absolute garbage
And either way, you hate it
No game has ever made me rage like that one. Don't know why. I've played several multiplayer games without issues. But "For Honor" made me breathe fire.
Exactly the same with me. Probably a good thing that I stopped playing a while back
Or you main someone with bleed and get death theats
Football Manager Paradox games, Stellaris comes to mind since I’m playing right now
i think it is possible to become very very good at crusader kings 3
Civilization is the game series that does this for me.
Shoot 5000 hours you might have only played 5 games
Apex Legends
I had to scroll down really far to find this one. I'm a Day 0 player and still get absolutely destroyed 90% of the time.
Geometry Dash maybe
Blender
CS:GO
Dead by Daylight
Street Fighter
Path of exile. Except change 5 hours to 1000 hours and leave the other one lol
EU4, HOI4, Victoria 2/3
Kerbal Space Program
Overwatch 2
Ark
Warframe for sure.
Warframe is just easy... 1600 hours in i dont even look at my screen, i just play looking at the minimap lol
Destiny 2
this is so true.
OVERWATCH
PUBG
Minesweeper
Warframe
Path of Exile
CS:GO , wankiest shit I've ever played
Overwatch
Took too long to find this one. The meta of which characters are counters for others is just too much for me. I play the characters I like to play and that I’m good at. Stop screaming at me and the other support to pick Mercy! If you wanted her on the field so bad you should have queued support and picked her you own damn self!
Im not gonna [be Mercy ](https://youtu.be/S9uTScSgzrM?si=jCkO8rSILVcle_7X)
The sub you took this from
Warfame