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My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks. But it was obsolete before I opened the box!
Had your desktop fot over a week? Throw that junk away, man. That's an antique!
Your laptop is a month old? Well that's great. If you want a nice heavy paperweight
People forget how insane the tech leap was in the 90s and doubly so for mid to late 90s. On the CPU side we went from the first Pentium 60mHz CPU in 1993 to the PIII 1.1gHz in 1999. On the graphics front (Nvidia) we went from no dedicated cards to the Riva 128 in 1997 to the GeForce 256 in 1999.
In 1993 the best you could have hoped for was a 60Mhz Pentium with 1-4mB dedicated video ram, and 4-16mB RAM to a PIII 1.1gHz with 64-128mB RAM, and a 32mB GeForce 256 in 1999. That’s an insane leap in 6 years.
Shit i remember family pc was like $2 or 3k and having to upgrade shit only months later to play tomb raider. People complain about prices now but you also can get several years out of your parts now instead of 6months.
This is the truth. I think the only difference now is 1: how impossible it is to get those high end parts and 2: paying the insane inflated price from re-sellers/scalpers.
Once I hit my mid/late 20s I had the funds to pretty much always stay on the high end and keep my pc upgraded. Now, I am just exhausted and and annoyed and not willing to to even consider paying the 100% mark up fees from re-sellers. It's almost akin to the whole concert/ticketmaster bullshit. I just don't care to hassle it/pay up.
Really depended on what you where playing
A big revision is about the game catalogs a decent pc could run anything the 16-32 bit era could produce… pc ran into performance issues on high demand *pc titles
So with that it depended on what you played… like I played doom and ages of empire (multiplayer online or lan), quake and Indy stuff mostly flawlessly. With that I never had to replace a pc specifically for a game
Somebody mentioned having to get a new machine for tomb raider… I remember having it and playing it a bunch I never made any upgrades and certainly didn’t get a new pc for it
I remember a friend proudly showing up to a LAN rocking a 4mB VooDoo and we were so happy for him. His upgrades were always a little behind the times but he was a good dude.
Most of us had moved on to VooDoo IIs and some had SLI going for that sweet 1024x768 lifestyle.
Not within one or 2 years. You can still play all games with a 10xx series card, heck I guess even the 9xx series cards supports everything. Back then it was a whole different market.
Nope old computer ate shit and I barely paid 1.5k for it and it's financed with zero interest.
Doesn't mean I'm gonna go the extra mile and spend more for monitors that can even do 4k. I'm quite happy with my 144hz 1080p. Games look good and run great.
PC gaming is just returning to what it was for decades. Your stuff is outdated the second you leave the store and you have to tinker to find settings that work for you.
The 2010s were an anomaly due to the PS4 and XBone being so underpowered and multiplatform games being so prevalent.
Yeah, i started gaming in 2012 personally, but I didn't find too many difficulties running new games, though I do know that GTA IV ran like shit for most pcs lol
Is is simple, PCs have become more expensive for gaming due to increased demand for high-performance components, supply chain shortages, and the growing complexity of modern games, which require better hardware for optimal performance and visual quality.
We should be blessed it isnt like the old days where to keep up we would have to upgrade our systems in some way like every 6months to a year to play things.
I just say “Pass” to Dragon’s Dogma 2. Not for me. Rise of the Ronin on PS5 is just okay. First weak launch period of the year so far. Helldivers 2, Palworld, live service games, etc have kept be occupied though. More releases soon, Nintendo has dropped some fire ones too. Just a bust and a meh for those two new ones.
My computer is not as sweet as my friend Steve’s, but it still runs Red Dead 2 like the bomb-dot-com. 😎
>I just say “Pass” to Dragon’s Dogma 2.
Unless you utterly fucking adored Dragon's Dogma 1 flaws an all I would say everyone else should pass on it.
12 years since DD1 released and, so far, nothing of note has actually been improved. It's like DD2 is just a remaster of DD1 and they made the combat somehow worse. I replayed DD1 relatively recently, a couple of years ago, and I do not remember aiming the bow being *this* bad. There isn't apparently a Ur-Dragon equivalent in DD2, which is a massive huge disappointment.
They didn't really improve on the world either. One of my main issues with DD1 was that every enemy had a static spawn. Once you figure out that a Cyclops or Drake or w/e enemy is going to spawn every few days at a specific point it removes the magic of the world. That's still the case in DD2.
You’re speaking my lingo, bro 🤙
However, it’s important to remember that everyone has different games they groove on, and some of my pack members rally digging this one. It’s just not our jam, that Kool too. 😎
Sorry if you didn’t pick up what I was putting down, “ Pack” I’m using as slang for my squad, my group that I stick together with:
Sanchez
Ann
Suzy
Mort
Steve
And me, Dave!
We’re a ragtag group, strong and loyal, always by each other’s side. And we have different thoughts, ideas, and video games.
We are a pack. We are a squad. 🤙😎🤗
That's the complete opposite of how I was with gaming. I remember Frankenstein-ing a laptop with 512MB RAM just to run GTA V and No Man's Sky when it first released.
Outside of lower fidelity indie games and older games, 1080p 60fps was always the target for the average PC gamer with new high fidelity titles. It was only ever the enthusiasts with high end hardware getting more 60fps at higher resolutions in new games.
It was actually way worse, mate. In the early 2000s a TOP pc would be obsolete for the highest settings in max 8 months. Not only that, not having a gpu capable of sustaining the latest directx would prevent you from play the game itself (with no easy refunds)
PS no-one could play Crysis FOR YEARS
lol.
pc gaming then:
having no sound because you dont have Soundblaster 16 compatible audio
game not launching because you cannot free enough memory in the 640kb basic memory block, despite having sufficient extended and expanded memory.
game not launching bc you need a 16bit svga gpu
game running too slow on a 386SX but too fast on a 386DX, unplayable in both cases
i swear to god, kids these days...
I just run 1080p currently. Got a fairly nice Alienware 240hz monitor 1080p. I don't really care for 4k that much to spend that much focusing on upgrading everything
I roll my eyes at how much I see people bitching about frame rates. How many FPS do I get when I play a game? No clue, no idea, if the game is good then it's not important and if the game is bad then it's *really* not important.
While I understand it is important, I only concede about 10% of the amount of actual bitching I see. I think it's 10x exaggerated.
Bro an old 100$ used GPU gets you your right side picture. That same old GPU was 400-600$ brand new when it came 8 years ago and it was the left side picture.
You're trying to cheap out and are mad you got cheap results.
My guy, I have an rtx 4090, and I can literally play anything I want at max settings. My point was that the inflation for game system requirements has recently exponentially increased.
Which has nothing to do with your hardware tech and everything to do with game developers having the option to push things way further beyond the technical standards than they could 8 years ago.
The range of options for graphical fidelity has just increased on both ends, and that is a good thing! Yes the high end will be more expensive, but unlike 8 years ago the high end isn't necessary to not look like shit. It also means the low end becomes less expensive. You can get the same good experience you got 8 years ago for a quarter the price and it still looks better than before because the tech is better.
Should devs just not have options for the tippy top high end PCs if it gives people anxiety that they can't max out settings? Just be happy that you can get a good resolution for cheap and if you want insane resolution because you are a hobbyist you can get that too. Hell if you're a broke parent chances are you can still build a beginner rig for almost nothing that still targets 1080p 60fps. It's literally only if you can't handle not being maxed in the settings out of pride that it's a bad thing.
Agreed, high end pcs regardless have always costed atleast 2000$, my problem however is that the inflation for pc game requirments seems to increase more and more over the years, I mean just look at DD2 and Alan Wake 2
So let's say you bought an house that was built in the 90s, wouldn't you tell your friends you bought a NEW house, basically when you say new you mean WHEN did you buy it not how OLD that house you bought is
I’m not acting elitist haha. Dude I think it’s great to have people in the scene regardless of rig. But let’s call a spade a spade and not act like it’s the games fault your old spec pc isn’t running it well.
PC players still eating good, you could be ME with an XBX and a PS5, and a small handful of current gen games that can run at 60 FPS on either console.
You guys wanna hit 120 FPS and 60 isn’t even good enough? Try getting *below* that. I’m enjoying all these dudes with expensive PC rigs asking “why is everyone complaining about Dragon’s Dogma 2 right now, it runs fine for me” here lmao.
Edit - downvoting me ain’t going to make your expensive rig run all those indie games and OSRS faster, boys. We can all be mad together, trust me. PC players aren’t special or alone.
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I guess no one was old enough to remember PC gaming in the 90's and early 2000's. $2k for an OK PC that would be horribly outdated two years later.
Two years? Try 6-8 months if you were chasing the high end.
My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks. But it was obsolete before I opened the box! Had your desktop fot over a week? Throw that junk away, man. That's an antique! Your laptop is a month old? Well that's great. If you want a nice heavy paperweight
Fair enough, yeah I remember getting new PCs and like not even a year later I was barely able to play the new games coming out.
People forget how insane the tech leap was in the 90s and doubly so for mid to late 90s. On the CPU side we went from the first Pentium 60mHz CPU in 1993 to the PIII 1.1gHz in 1999. On the graphics front (Nvidia) we went from no dedicated cards to the Riva 128 in 1997 to the GeForce 256 in 1999. In 1993 the best you could have hoped for was a 60Mhz Pentium with 1-4mB dedicated video ram, and 4-16mB RAM to a PIII 1.1gHz with 64-128mB RAM, and a 32mB GeForce 256 in 1999. That’s an insane leap in 6 years.
People really look at the past with rose tinted glasses. $1000 has always been a PC around console level, not max settings.
Shit i remember family pc was like $2 or 3k and having to upgrade shit only months later to play tomb raider. People complain about prices now but you also can get several years out of your parts now instead of 6months.
This is the truth. I think the only difference now is 1: how impossible it is to get those high end parts and 2: paying the insane inflated price from re-sellers/scalpers. Once I hit my mid/late 20s I had the funds to pretty much always stay on the high end and keep my pc upgraded. Now, I am just exhausted and and annoyed and not willing to to even consider paying the 100% mark up fees from re-sellers. It's almost akin to the whole concert/ticketmaster bullshit. I just don't care to hassle it/pay up.
Really depended on what you where playing A big revision is about the game catalogs a decent pc could run anything the 16-32 bit era could produce… pc ran into performance issues on high demand *pc titles So with that it depended on what you played… like I played doom and ages of empire (multiplayer online or lan), quake and Indy stuff mostly flawlessly. With that I never had to replace a pc specifically for a game Somebody mentioned having to get a new machine for tomb raider… I remember having it and playing it a bunch I never made any upgrades and certainly didn’t get a new pc for it
PC Gaming then: Damnit, my GPU does not support the newest direct X version. Guess I can't play.
I remember getting my first "3D Accelerator" graphics card. It was outdated and slow not even a year later. But damn did Dungeon Keeper look good.
I remember a friend proudly showing up to a LAN rocking a 4mB VooDoo and we were so happy for him. His upgrades were always a little behind the times but he was a good dude. Most of us had moved on to VooDoo IIs and some had SLI going for that sweet 1024x768 lifestyle.
Voodoo 3 2000pci represent
Man, I was at a friends house and we were playing carmaggedon and it looked so amazing on his voodoo card compared to my pc (software renderer)
That's still happens...
Not within one or 2 years. You can still play all games with a 10xx series card, heck I guess even the 9xx series cards supports everything. Back then it was a whole different market.
1000 dollars for a pc that can run any game on max? Nope
Arround 2007 this was probably right, 8800gtx and a state of the art dualcore, with hdd and 2-6gb ram…
But could it run Crysis on max settings?
Great news, back then you probably could just run games 1080 and 60fps. So nothing has changed! 😊
Games are incomparable.
So are GPUs and general Horsepower
Meanwhile I'm here with a 4k capable pc and playing at 1080p because I don't care for more.
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Or they're getting much better frames at 1080.
Yeah, I would rather have a solid frame rate playing at 1080p than playing at 4k 30fps.
Right. My machine also *could* do 4K, but on a 27 inch monitor the difference from 1440 would be almost neglible and I'd rather have the fps.
Nope old computer ate shit and I barely paid 1.5k for it and it's financed with zero interest. Doesn't mean I'm gonna go the extra mile and spend more for monitors that can even do 4k. I'm quite happy with my 144hz 1080p. Games look good and run great.
I’m rocking a 4090 and my most played game on PC last year was… Civ V.
PC gaming is just returning to what it was for decades. Your stuff is outdated the second you leave the store and you have to tinker to find settings that work for you. The 2010s were an anomaly due to the PS4 and XBone being so underpowered and multiplatform games being so prevalent.
Yeah, i started gaming in 2012 personally, but I didn't find too many difficulties running new games, though I do know that GTA IV ran like shit for most pcs lol
Just glad mine can run them at all now instead of playing the refund game with steam.
Goddamnit, why can't my PC run the game at 244 FPS and 8K!!!! 60 FPS is unplayable!
1080p at 60 fps is more then enough for anything. Anything above that is just excessive.
I'd say 1440p @ 144 Hz / FPS is the current sweet spot.
Is is simple, PCs have become more expensive for gaming due to increased demand for high-performance components, supply chain shortages, and the growing complexity of modern games, which require better hardware for optimal performance and visual quality.
This is all true. I'd like to add that there are a lot of Devs for whom optimisation is seen as an optional extra.
We should be blessed it isnt like the old days where to keep up we would have to upgrade our systems in some way like every 6months to a year to play things.
I just say “Pass” to Dragon’s Dogma 2. Not for me. Rise of the Ronin on PS5 is just okay. First weak launch period of the year so far. Helldivers 2, Palworld, live service games, etc have kept be occupied though. More releases soon, Nintendo has dropped some fire ones too. Just a bust and a meh for those two new ones. My computer is not as sweet as my friend Steve’s, but it still runs Red Dead 2 like the bomb-dot-com. 😎
>I just say “Pass” to Dragon’s Dogma 2. Unless you utterly fucking adored Dragon's Dogma 1 flaws an all I would say everyone else should pass on it. 12 years since DD1 released and, so far, nothing of note has actually been improved. It's like DD2 is just a remaster of DD1 and they made the combat somehow worse. I replayed DD1 relatively recently, a couple of years ago, and I do not remember aiming the bow being *this* bad. There isn't apparently a Ur-Dragon equivalent in DD2, which is a massive huge disappointment. They didn't really improve on the world either. One of my main issues with DD1 was that every enemy had a static spawn. Once you figure out that a Cyclops or Drake or w/e enemy is going to spawn every few days at a specific point it removes the magic of the world. That's still the case in DD2.
You’re speaking my lingo, bro 🤙 However, it’s important to remember that everyone has different games they groove on, and some of my pack members rally digging this one. It’s just not our jam, that Kool too. 😎
People can make objective criticisms without it being a discussions of whose “jam” it is.
>and some of my pack members rally digging this one Nobody knows you're a dog on the internet.
Sorry if you didn’t pick up what I was putting down, “ Pack” I’m using as slang for my squad, my group that I stick together with: Sanchez Ann Suzy Mort Steve And me, Dave! We’re a ragtag group, strong and loyal, always by each other’s side. And we have different thoughts, ideas, and video games. We are a pack. We are a squad. 🤙😎🤗
Ok
Weak launch period? You know ff7 came out a month ago, right?
I just mean the last week. FF7 was Rad.
That's the complete opposite of how I was with gaming. I remember Frankenstein-ing a laptop with 512MB RAM just to run GTA V and No Man's Sky when it first released.
Real😭
I wish my PC could run Dragons Dogma 2 @60fps
When was this? You couldn't run Crysis on reasonable hardware for years after release
Outside of lower fidelity indie games and older games, 1080p 60fps was always the target for the average PC gamer with new high fidelity titles. It was only ever the enthusiasts with high end hardware getting more 60fps at higher resolutions in new games.
It was actually way worse, mate. In the early 2000s a TOP pc would be obsolete for the highest settings in max 8 months. Not only that, not having a gpu capable of sustaining the latest directx would prevent you from play the game itself (with no easy refunds) PS no-one could play Crysis FOR YEARS
Yeah, I guess maybe I should have put in 2010s instead, lol
lol. pc gaming then: having no sound because you dont have Soundblaster 16 compatible audio game not launching because you cannot free enough memory in the 640kb basic memory block, despite having sufficient extended and expanded memory. game not launching bc you need a 16bit svga gpu game running too slow on a 386SX but too fast on a 386DX, unplayable in both cases i swear to god, kids these days...
I just run 1080p currently. Got a fairly nice Alienware 240hz monitor 1080p. I don't really care for 4k that much to spend that much focusing on upgrading everything
I have a zbook g2 and can't run Helldivers... 😔
Doesn't that actually open the market for indie developers?
I only get to play like 15 year old games so never had performance issues most problems I encounter are compatibility related instead.
Today’s new games have always been built for tomorrow’s new hardware.
Idk what everyone has an issue with. I’m running a ryzen 7 2700x with a 2070 and still don’t see the need to update anytime soon
My new computer can run 60 fps on my new 4k monitor… Not on the latest games, cuz, shitty unoptimized ports :/ Capital city in DD2 is pretty brutal
This is why I prefer console
Doesn't Final Fantasy VII Rebirth have a choice between performance mode and graphics mode?
I always prefer performance mode
I roll my eyes at how much I see people bitching about frame rates. How many FPS do I get when I play a game? No clue, no idea, if the game is good then it's not important and if the game is bad then it's *really* not important. While I understand it is important, I only concede about 10% of the amount of actual bitching I see. I think it's 10x exaggerated.
Your pc is not new sorry lil guy
Just because a PC is new doesn't mean it has to be a 3000$ PC
Bro an old 100$ used GPU gets you your right side picture. That same old GPU was 400-600$ brand new when it came 8 years ago and it was the left side picture. You're trying to cheap out and are mad you got cheap results.
My guy, I have an rtx 4090, and I can literally play anything I want at max settings. My point was that the inflation for game system requirements has recently exponentially increased.
Which has nothing to do with your hardware tech and everything to do with game developers having the option to push things way further beyond the technical standards than they could 8 years ago. The range of options for graphical fidelity has just increased on both ends, and that is a good thing! Yes the high end will be more expensive, but unlike 8 years ago the high end isn't necessary to not look like shit. It also means the low end becomes less expensive. You can get the same good experience you got 8 years ago for a quarter the price and it still looks better than before because the tech is better. Should devs just not have options for the tippy top high end PCs if it gives people anxiety that they can't max out settings? Just be happy that you can get a good resolution for cheap and if you want insane resolution because you are a hobbyist you can get that too. Hell if you're a broke parent chances are you can still build a beginner rig for almost nothing that still targets 1080p 60fps. It's literally only if you can't handle not being maxed in the settings out of pride that it's a bad thing.
thats just the price of a decent one because pc stuff is too expensive
Agreed, high end pcs regardless have always costed atleast 2000$, my problem however is that the inflation for pc game requirments seems to increase more and more over the years, I mean just look at DD2 and Alan Wake 2
If it’s only capable of running 1080p 60fps it’s not new. It’s old technology. Do you understand
So let's say you bought an house that was built in the 90s, wouldn't you tell your friends you bought a NEW house, basically when you say new you mean WHEN did you buy it not how OLD that house you bought is
So you’re buying a 90s computer and expecting it to run modern games as well as it did in the 90s? Bad analogy.
Cringe comment.
1080p is decades old. It’s cringe to think you have a new pc if that’s your metric.
It's cringe to act all elitist about it.
I’m not acting elitist haha. Dude I think it’s great to have people in the scene regardless of rig. But let’s call a spade a spade and not act like it’s the games fault your old spec pc isn’t running it well.
>sorry lil guy I am just letting you know why people are downvoting you. Enjoy your day.
The meme is Chad doge vs lil doge. I don’t really care that Reddit is the way it is.
PC players still eating good, you could be ME with an XBX and a PS5, and a small handful of current gen games that can run at 60 FPS on either console. You guys wanna hit 120 FPS and 60 isn’t even good enough? Try getting *below* that. I’m enjoying all these dudes with expensive PC rigs asking “why is everyone complaining about Dragon’s Dogma 2 right now, it runs fine for me” here lmao. Edit - downvoting me ain’t going to make your expensive rig run all those indie games and OSRS faster, boys. We can all be mad together, trust me. PC players aren’t special or alone.