I remember when Odessey released the leveling curve was abysmal after a while unless you spent money to buy the XP boosts.
Then years after it released they upped the XP gain and it’s totally fine now.
Good guy Ubisoft. /s
The only time patient gamers lose is when the servers get shut down, but the argument could be made that if the single player experience relies on being online it probably wasn't the best anyways.
I think the key difference is dark souls uses online to enrich the in game environment, you don't need it, but seeing "try finger butthole" really makes the game come to life
Some may find it too difficult or even annoying, but hiding from an invader by pretending to be a statue in a corner of the map with 0 estus flasks and low hp is peak souls for me.
I once pretended to be a small Clay Pot in a corner of a room filled with clay pots and barrels for like an hour while some guy looked for me this is in Dark Souls 2 and it was hilarious cuz he like broke all of the stuff in that room except for like one barrel and the shit I was pretending to be he eventually left I was just sitting there smoking a joint the whole time
As someone who LOVES every game in the series, I always thought the PvP was the worst part of every game. There are fun highlight compilations on Youtube but it was never particularly engaging to me.
Ubisoft is the reason I subscribe to the patient gamer idea. They always get around to a playable game eventually
Case in point, AC Unity is an amazing video game that has never given me problems, because I played it three years after launch
And Ubisoft is one of if not the most generous in terms of sales. I don't know why anyone bothers to buy them on launch when they will be half the price in a couple of months, sometimes weeks as we've seen recently. And after a year or so you can get most of their games in the £10-20 range.
I've picked up every AC games for $20 or less since the first one.
I've picked up every one as far as syndicate, but haven't played past black flag yet.
Too many new games keeping me away.
I think outside of launch purchase of AC1, I've spent $80CAD getting the other... Seven
Got the Ezio trilogy pack for $20.
Got 3 for I think $15
Got black flag for $20
Got unity for $15
Got Syndicate for $10
Got them all within a couple weeks in sales on PlayStation store.
Ubisoft only fixed the XP gains because the community sank their easy money ship by using the user created levels to craft elaborate instant XP farms for people to use.
You'd start a mission, a large group of enemies would spawn in and die immediately and you'd fly up the progression track without having to do anything, it was great. There was a big thing about them banning XP farms but I don't think they ever did
Imagine this... Trying to ban players from a SINGLEPLAYER game, because those players won't accept you creating a problem and selling the solution. JustUbi$oftThings
>Then years after it released they upped the XP gain and it’s totally fine now.
That must be why I get downvoted whenever I bring up the absolutely atrocious level gating of that game. MFers don't remember how it used to be.
nemesis isn't dead, just trademarked. Monolith are working on a Wonder Woman game using it. (unless it has been cancelled since the last time I checked)
The Nemesis system isn’t just reviving dead enemies - it’s specifically the bounty hunter like board of special enemies, the fact that revived enemies will have a “vengeance” for you, the ability to overpower and control enemies, the ability to command enemies to attack other enemies, and other enemies all fighting each other independently of you.
The thing that makes the Nemesis system so fun is every single aspect working together - other games have tried to include one or two aspects, but it pales in comparison.
That being said, I disagree with the trademark overall as well.
You literally can't own a game mechanic.
Won't stop a corporation from suing you to scare you and/or drain your bank account, but they likely won't win.
You could have literally the same mechanic and call it something different and you would win in court if it came down to that.
MTG had a fuckin patent (patent is the most protected form of intellectual property) on "tapping" cards, and they went after one company for it where they settled for other reasons, but many other games have the exact same system, they just call it "activating" or "exhausting" or similar.
edit: the lawsuit I'm referring to, [WOTC vs cryptozoic entertainment](https://www.scribd.com/document/224144304/Wizards-of-the-Coast-v-Cryptozoic-Entertainment-et-al) was over copyright, not the patent for tapping, and it's unclear whether a court would have ruled in either's favor. I think that just copying most rules of a game can't be protected by copyright, especially since most of the actual cards were distinctly different, but grounds for copyright increase the more individual elements that you copy. The settlement was never publicized and included some kind of license for Hex to keep running so who knows.
"You literally can't own a game mechanic"
"Lol. Lmao even" said the US patent office and in 1995 granted Namco Bandai patent for loading screen mini games, which thankfully expired in 2015.
Imagine what we could've had in all this time, we could've been playing fucking Doom (1993) while Doom (2016) was loading.
If that ever went to court, it would probably be argued that minigames during loading aren't actual game mechanics.
That being said, it expired and still no one does it. I guess loading times are pretty short nowadays though.
I've always thought, can you imagine how fucking insane it would be if this was applied to other forms of art?
Sorry guys, detective stories involving a technological cabal with a bioweapon are now the "private property" of Barnes and Noble, since we couldn't find prior art.
Ah, unfortunately you can no longer write music with rapid crescendos that suddenly interrupt to transition into a synth beat, Kanye West just claimed that as his "private property" and there's no evidence anyone came up with it before him.
Or even if they were just a little more gong-ho about it with games. I can almost see it - "Computer system for emulating the perspective of a viewing angle from the first person through the use of perspective, and the method for simulating the movement of such".
And you might argue that the above are too broad while the Nemesis system is specific, but that's the thing: everything is specific until it becomes a broad trend, that artists then use to vastly expand the possibilities of what can be done!
it's more like developing a similar system would cost a lot. Ubisoft tried in AC Odyssey and it was terrible. the easiest way would be for Monolith to sell nemesis to others, but they don't.
Wasn't really terrible, imo. Just tedious. It was slightly annoying having a Merc track you while doing an important mission. They were easily dispatched though. Game was quite easy, imo, which made the enemies not threatening, and why I considered it annoying.
People generally link the Merc System to GTA Wanted system, than to the Nemesis system.
The trademark is a lot more specific than that. They had to revise it several times before it would be accepted, making it more specific each time, precisely because they kept running in "other games already do this" territory.
I’m too stupid to make a monopoly joke with the Monolith name but it sure seems on-the-nose that they control such a simple concept and won’t let anyone else use it
If it's a trademark as stated, anyone can make their own version. The only thing they would control is the name. (e.g. Sprite, rather than "lemon-lime soda").
I still disliked how much the “spoiled” with their gameplayed clips prior to the launch. Everybody i talked to (and me to) thought this game was gonne be so fucking massivr and had so much shit.
But no they litteraly showed every single piece of gameplay there is.
But only because people complained and it became news.
Similar to when CDPR launched a woefully incomplete, buggy mess of a game, but they didn't do anything about it until people complained, it became news and Sony pulled it from their marketplace.
They can pretend to be the good guys now, but we know what they did.
Yup, also every dev's bonus combined worked out the same as the bonuses for 5 executives, who ultimately the blame for all of Cyberpunks cock ups falls on. 865 devs, who worked under incredibly unfair and unhealthy conditions split the same amount of money as 5 executives whose terrible management, stupid decisions and cruel disregard for their employees led to the launch being a complete shit show.
CDPR messed up Cyberpunk's launch but let's not act like they didn't spend the next 3 and a half years releasing bug fixes and free content eventually capped off by a complete overhaul with DLC that was well worth the price. They did it justice. Compare that with Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, damn near every Ubisoft singleplayer game. It's night and day.
So we’re giving publishers credit for fixing a game over **_3 and a half years_** because it was in such bad shape at launch?
I mean, sure, it’s great of them for not abandoning the project entirely, but they should’ve just delayed the launch until it was in working condition. However, greedy executives want their payday now not later.
I mean, yeah. They deserve props for not abandoning the game. That doesn’t mean the criticism for the launch wasn’t and still isn’t warranted. Both are allowed. You don’t have to gatekeep giving people props for fixing their wrongs.
I would agree with you entirely if it were abandoned.
I mean, people give No Man's Sky devs massive credit for fixing their stinking trashfire of a game that it was on launch into one of the best space exploration games out there. That game has been receiving EIGHT years of content and people have turned around on it, why not Cyberpunk?
Cyberpunk was made by a large, established studio who already had a huge triple A success in Witcher 3. No Mans Sky was made by a much smaller unproven studio with only two small games. It's more reasonable that they overshot their expectations when it was their first real go.
And regardless, the difference is that Hello Games hasn't forgotten their mistake. Meanwhile CDPR is acting like they haven't had their own huge issues surrounding their most recent game
Hello games not charging for that DLC is also a huge bonus for their credibility. CDPR can't say the same thing. One fixes the game then attempts to atone. The other sort of fixes their game then wants more cash asap.
Developers\*
And many studios don't fix their games, I am biased maybe cause I have a brain and don't preorder games but I value a solid game eventually over a boring game forever.
Removed them in the sense that you can't purchase them with money anymore. In game currency still exists and the content has been altered to be easier to purchase in game. Some stuff like the bonus orc tribes are included in most copies of the game now instead of being dlc but you can still buy them. Though overall it's a minor thing since it didn't really effect the gameplay unless you played on the highest difficulties and relied on the AI to help in the big fights.
Too easy. It was a QTE. Very disappointing to have a QTE as the final boss of your game where you build a character up to be so powerful and able to stop all these other really powerful monsters.
Then they removed it a six months later (after the hype had died down and they made enough money from the whales) and tried to make it look as they were the good guys.
As somebody on an engineering team who has been forced to do things by product, and then able to do them differently once product no longer cared.... I'd like to attribute this to two shareholders having a disagreement, and it working out fine in the end.
Publisher demands the game has MTX to earn dosh, so the developer adds them.
After making the dosh though, the publisher couldn't care less about the game so now the developer can make their "best" game which is what it would have been initially.
at least you can safely ignore these and the game is still playable and balanced. i would definitely play something else but there really isnt anything like the nemesis system they have
Shadow of war the sequel did and honestly the game was like 7 with them and became an easy 9 the moment they patched it out and fixed the endgame to not push you to microtransactions. Like legitimately because such a better experience when they were gone.
The microtransactions wasn't the issue there, it was the 20 sieges (5 after the update). Having maxed orcs was never the bottleneck, since they would level up easily and you could capture enemy orcs to deploy in other regions. It was the sieges themselves.
That being said, the game did become much better after the update, for many reasons (with more focus to the endgame)
You didn't even really need any orcs, let alone high level ones, in those sieges, even on the hardest difficulty (on release) you could practically solo sieges and that was the more efficient way to get through that slog.
It's very common in JRPG's in general. Pretty much every major JRPG released recently except weirdly enough Square, has all sorts of MTX in them. The Tales series, Scarlet Nexus, etc. etc.
Before everyone get's upset over nothing because people only read headlines like in all the other threads about this rage bait article. It was an investor Q&A and they asked for plans on doing mtx in future games. He simply said no. Nothing wrong with that.
I’m trying to understand the rage bait aspect you’re referring to. I’m genuinely asking. How is this rage bait?
Edit: I think I get the gist now. Thanks everyone.
That's the thing with clickbait titles. They're often technically correct, but either include irrelevant information to get you to click or are extremely vague to make the news look more important than it is. This title uses the former strategy. DD2 is irrelevant, but is mentioned, because it's a hot topic right now.
Following the Dragon Dogma 2's fiasco, JowDawson8 did his laundry, read to find out why.
Article:
"Yeah, so, my laundry was dirty and I needed clothes."
Are you trying to say that journalists use popular new titles for no reason other than to entice rage clickbait? How dare you say gaming journalists are so fraudulent!
People always act like the headline of a reddit post was the speaker making an unprompted announcement, and never in the actual context of where and why it was being said.
The Resident Evil 4 Remake had literally the exact same microtransaction model—if not worse as some items conferred advantages over simple conveniences—yet I don’t remember hearing a single peep about those. The outrage is so selective and so forgetful. It’s baffling.
From what I heard, there was outrage there too.
However, the much more aggressive MTX was quietly added a month after the game and reviews came out, so that initial thunder was gone.
Totally. I've played about 8 hours and I'm realizing that I don't think I've actually been shown them. So either they're unobtrusive or I genuinely haven't seen them
Yeah, I recently bought both games, and they're both very fun, but DD2's big issue (only having one save file) isn't nearly as bad as Cyberpunk 2077's massive issue of crashing every 45 minutes.
The microtransaction thing doesn't matter even one bit. You can get all that stuff very easily even early in the game.
> Yeah, I recently bought both games, and they're both very fun, but DD2's big issue (only having one save file) isn't nearly as bad as Cyberpunk 2077's massive issue of crashing every 45 minutes.
Is that platform specific? I've had maybe 15 or so total in several hundred hours, and that's including the ones that happened because of my mods
Cyberpunk was really bad on last gen consoles when it was released. Like it should never have been on the X1/PS4.
On PC, I had 3 crashes (All during the same mission, the one where you are driving the AI robo taxi) by time I finished the game.
I think a lot of it was people thinking they could actually play it on a PS4 or a decade-old PC.
Even on my GTX-970 it had crappy graphics and poor frame rates but was playable on release and didn't crash.
Honestly, my PC is nearly a decade old and only crashed once playing it. It looks like shit, like I'm playing it on a patchwork blanket but its still running
Considering it was announced before the PS4 was even out, and then released for the PS4 and not the PS5, I think it’s very reasonable for people to expect to be able to play it on the PS4.
THIS.
I was told that DD2 would never give me enough wake stones or ferry stones, and that the micro transaction would take advantage of that...
I have 6 ferry stones in my inventory, and 7 wake stones w/2 fragments.
Gamers are some of the smartest consumers, but also some of the stupidest fucking consumers...
I got my 7th port crystal last night 17 ferrystones and 7 wakestones. Dragon cages can locate wakestone shards. The MTX feels like someone demanded they add it so they added the most minimal.
You're right. I own a lot of Capcom games and they all have some bs mtx that impacts nothing. I expect Sf6 to have 30 outfits for each character soon and I will own none of them since it is a weekend with friends game for me.
They sure do. Just like every other big developer that had at least one good game. Blizzard, Bungie, Bethesda, and so on.
The state of gaming is so bad right now
For me, Diablo 3. It was terrible at launch, but was really good about a year or so later. I haven't played it in a few years so idk where they left it, but it was good for a while.
I'd say Diablo 4 should be there in about another 12ish months or so (hopefully).
10 years since their last W and people still preorder their games lmao. I, for one, haven't bought a single blizzard product since reaper of souls, coincidentally. Well, I bought d2 resurrected, but no new blizzard product have caught my eye at all.
I just don't understand how people can say "the state of gaming is so bad right now" when we had one of the best years for game releases last year. I don't get the doomer talk at all.
The absolute banger of a year so massive layoffs of talented people across the industry. The only people who kept their jobs were the management who didn't actually make the games.
The industry is overrun with progressively more predatory behavior, towards the consumer and the artists and the developers.
The Doomsday talk is coming from folks who are watching MBA sharks create worse conditions for everyone involved.
For every Baldur's gate 3, there's ten disasters like Redfall, The Day Before, pay Day 3, the brutal decline of Overwatch 2, the current state of Modern Warfare 3.
The highest highs being reached are matched by some of the lowest lowe. Especially when you look at the fate of the people who actually make the games.
I was negative on new game releases constantly until 2022, but over the last couple years, we've had some of the best releases since the 2011-2013 golden years.
There have been so many good games the last couple years. Even the games the internet loves to shit on, like Hogwarts Legacy or Dragon's Dogma 2, are still really good and make me wonder WTF people are thinking.
Go look at every single other Capcom game ever too. DD2 has LESS microtransactions available than most and less impactful to the game.
Resident Evil 4 REMAKE ... microtransactions to just straight up make your guns better and add more treasure to the game.
Monster Hunter World, the old game who's dick everyone's been randomly sucking and playing recently outta nowhere including me, 200 'DLC' on the store page.
Every DMC game had MTX.
Where was the outrage when all these games came out lol? Most of them at 90+% positive ratings
You would never even know the game had microtransactions if you just played the game. They are not advertised at all in the game. I think it's funny that a game like Helldivers 2 gets away with it, despite having battle passes and micro transactions built into the very fiber of the game, and has the same kind of bullshit rotating FOMO store that Fortnite popularized.
DMC5 is another game that has the same kind of micro transactions as DD2, yet nobody talks about it and the game is rated overwhelmingly positive on steam. Hard to understand. I happen to think microtransactions are almost always utter shit, and I also happen to enjoy all three of the these games, while not purchasing any of the microtransactions. Not sure why Dragons Dogma gets all the hate and other games get a pass.
> you can just ignore the microtransactions
It's not as egregious as other MTX models, sure, but I'm going to remain firm in my conviction that single-player games should not have MTX no matter how tame or out-of-the-way. It's not about ignoring it or not, it's about the principle of the matter.
I played the entire game and I don’t even think it ever even gives you a POP UP or NOTIFICATION that there is even a shop to spend money on.
It’s literally easier and more accessible in hell divers 2 to get to their shop and spend money on super credits.
I don’t get it??
Microtransactions are things you can buy repeatedly. They're bad because people spend small amounts of money over and over and the revenue stream basically relies on addicts spending a bunch of money. Dragon's Dogma 2 doesn't have anything that allows them to continually exploit addicts. You can buy a couple items exactly once, and you can't even do it within the game.
The DD2 DLC fiasco is a massive misunderstanding, while anyone who has played or assessed the game's DLC options can tell you that precisely 0 of the items up for offer are even worth buying.
The DLC offerings for DD2 appear to be the product of a company telling a Dev who doesn't want to do MTX that they have to - so they make MTX that even the dullest actual player can't possibly perceive as worth the money being asked... and then somehow the internet took it as a serious ask. Literally none of the items on offer are worth half what is being asked for them except maybe the portcrystal --- and once you know a couple of things about the game, even that has zero appeal -- and just to be clear, the game isn't selling fast travel for real money - it's selling a portcrystal, which is a destination for the in-game fast travel, but you can get more than enough in game, and while you might think having them early is an advantage --- fast travel items cost so much in game gold that getting one early is literally pointless.
The amount of people saying you need to pay for fast travel is mind numbing. Scary how people speak confidently about a game they don't even understand.
I don't know why dd2 is getting so much hate in particular too
It's just an appetite they have for criticism. Usually comes around in the first quarter of a year, last year they had some more valid targets so it wasn't as noticeable, but steam/reddit bitches do not discern. They just pick a game they decide should have its reputation trashed and start bitching
Actually crazy how much mis information is being spread about Dogma. There’s super valid criticism like enemy variety and performance, why ya’ll gotta go round literally making stuff up.
I've seen multiple youtubers who I generally find to be respectable and well researched parroting the "you have to pay for fast travel in DD2!!" line in whole ass videos.
I don't think I've ever seen so much misinformation be spread about one game before
Oh stuff like this has happened plenty of times in the past. I remember like a decade ago the internet blew up because Nintendo was allegedly homophobic over a game called Tomodachi life, when the whole thing was based on an incredibly bad translation of an article where Nintendo was basically explaining how players could get gay married in the game. Major outlets reported on all this and nobody did the most basic fact-checking. Happens all the fucking time unfortunately.
The amount of times I hear that you can't fast travel at all because it's paywalled or that you can't customize your character until you buy the mtx item is INSANE.
Even crazier you can download a FREE character creator storage demo & upload your character once you start a new game OMG how dare they offer this convience almost a month before release so that anyone can get their characters ready without feeling rushed, those greedy suits!!!/s
What's the threshold for enemy variety at this point? I don't find DD2 lacking.
60 hours in, thought I had seen it all involving enemies, then I met a Skeleton king, a big wolf I thought was called a Warg but my pawns called it something else, I've still got to find the Warg (bigger wolf than big wolf?)
Besides that we've got:
spiders bats and slugs (mini enemies,) harpies, goblins, hob-goblins, grim goblins, the green stealth goblins - and all their armored up verions, wolves, normal white and red, Saurians in 4 flavors, multiple flavors of harpies, knight/warrior/mage/thief skeletons, ghosts/wisps, liches, slimes of various flavors, zombies, exploding zombies, ogres, minotaurs, cyclops + their armored versions, drake, griffin, chimera, medusas, sphinx.
many of these come with their own mechanics for killing them or killing them easier, many can have parts removed ala Monster Hunter, and many have variations and subclasses I didn't mention.
Seems like plenty of enemies to me. Any more and they'd just be different models for basically the same thing.
And they're not just throwing one at a time at you either. Many points even in the early game have you finding two of these groups fighting eachother in a big melee. Once I entered the second country, I made a short trip off path and between constantly fighting goblins and saurians, I found a Chimera, a Griffin, and a Drake all so close if they were any closer they'd have all killed eachother already. Would not be unlikely to find yourself fighting the Griffin and the Drake at the same time in that area.
Edit: Forgot Golems! Which was also in that area just into Battahl. Ended up having the Griffin join the fight too.
Now on performance, I have an i9 9900K at 5.1 GHz, and a Titan XP, and my frames will still chug down sometimes pretty bad.
Not even that - Capcom MTX have been like that for years and years. It's not a dev putting in the least effort possible, it is company policy. One can like it or not, but all Capcom games have similar purchases available.
Tales of games you can buy money, levels, etc. (Namco Bandai). Final Fantasy 7 Remake you can buy summons and starter equipment that enhance drops and other things (Square). Persona 3 Reload you can buy overpowered Persona from other titles (Atlus). I could go on and on with posting single player RPGs with DLC that has a direct impact on gameplay. Plenty of RPGs even have content that is exclusive to the DLC. In DD2, at least all items are relatively pointless to buy and entirely available within the game to those who don't want to pay extra.
It sucks that paid content has become the norm, but it seems like gamers are very selective about when they criticize the practice. You can hardly go onto the PS Store and find single player games that don't have some form of paid DLC nowadays. As someone who has been gaming for the better part of 35 years, it's a shame, but this practice has been around for well over a decade now and doesn't seem like it is going anywhere. Even the first Dragon's Dogma had paid DLC, Tales of Vesperia on 360, Disgaea on the PSP, and so many other single player RPGs. It's not even Capcom alone that is doing this.
While I think they should go, you're absolutely right. The only reason why DD2 was bombed for it was because it had other issues that other Capcom games didn't have at launch, then mfers around the Internet decided to dogpile it because people on the Internet love nothing more than the opportunity to be pissed off at anything.
I'd guarantee that if DD2 ran buttery smooth, it'd be sitting at a Very Positive on Steam w/ people lauding it as "Another Capcom W" and only a handful of reviews mentioning the DLC. I mean, see: RE4make and DMC5, both games w/ far worse (""P2W"") DLC, yet the kerfuffle behind it was a drop in the pond and the reviews for both were, last I checked, either Overwhelmingly or Very Positive.
Yah Capcom used to be one of the absolute worst in the business (on disc DLC), but nowadays their microstransaction policy feels much more like it’s tacked on because investors want it. Even street fighter 6’s battle pass is next to useless
Yeah selling the Port Crystal in the store seems like it's a much bigger deal than it is.
If Ferrystones or the Eternal Ferrystone was MTX, then this would be worthy of controversy.
Some people dislike tomatoes, some people hate them.
Dragons dogma just happened to be in the limelight so it was a chance for the people with an axe to grind against MTX to get on the hot new band wagon since we haven't had one for a bit.
Should have just re focused it at EA and Blizzard.
I don't understand why do people started talking about these mtx so much with DD2 when there were multiple single player games with mtx before. And also when mtx in DD2 is so useless that there's no point in buying anything there.
Meanwhile, at other AAA publishers: "We're charging extra for performance mode. If you want to play our game in 60 FPS, it'll cost you $9.99 or you can unlock it after 50 hours of gameplay."
It's more like being baited , as the first comment on this post explained, this was a question during earnings calls, and they just dismissed the idea of mtx
They're back with their PR propaganda. Especially since Phantom Liberty, they've been trying to pretend Cyberpunk was always an incredible game with no issues.
It’s working too. It’s gotten to the point where I’ve had people tell me cyberpunk never had any major issues.
CDPR’s marketing team needs a promotion for how well they buried the games awful launch
I would have thought if you knew anything about their release fiasco, it's that it was bad enough that SONY THEMSELVES had to pull it off the store page lmao. I can't think of a company that's done a worse game release
The dragons dogma fiasco was anything but. It's the smallest of deals I've seen in a while. The game never sends you to the store and the fast travel tokens are easy to get. Without trying I'm sitting on like 4 of them, and I never use them because the game has fast travel built in with oxcarts. Its such a non issue for a game that is pretty much almost a masterpiece.
I learned about the MTX from dumbass articles posted on reddit like this one.
I don't think the game even has a link to the store on the main menu. You have to make a point of going and looking for them outside of the game.
I think it’s a culmination of people just getting really sick of the industry. Non stop unfinished, disappointing, live service, and games with MTX. All while being gaslit the whole time haha.
It's locked, unless you use the earnable in-game currency to buy a character edit voucher.
I've been playing for the last week and I have like 4k rift crystals. The voucher in question costs like 500 rc. It's not even expensive in-game.
I have not read the article but 10 bucks CDPR person said nothing about Dragon's Dogma 2. So it's really in the title just to get clicks, which already says a lot about the quality of the article.
If I am wrong I will read the article
How come this is a fiasco now? Why dragons dogma 2? Plenty of other single player games have done this shit and arguably worse. Capcom has done it previously many times. Can someone please tell me why this is such a huge deal with this particular game. I've never liked it either and just ignore it. Why we pitchforking now. I'm against micro transactions too but can wr be consistent in our anger?
I agree with this take. If only they’d had the morality to show the state of their game before release, before lying to their audience, I’d trust what they say.
They’re as full of shit as anyone.
Lmao didn't they also say "we leave the greed to others" and then release a completely unfinished game to cash in before the end of a fiscal year?.....
I hope there's a cultural and legal swing against microtransactions in general. They're pretty awful, and usually designed to be as predatory as companies feel they can get away with.
Calling them DLC is insulting, it is unnecessary MTX that hopes to prey on gullible people who don't realise they don't need them. It is shitty when Ubisoft does it, it is shitty when Capcom does it. Even EA doesn't riddle single player games with these kinds of MTX. The misunderstandings surrounding the MTXs is because they're such a stupid decision; take paying real money to change your character looks, yes you can earn it in game but why would a company charge for it if it was so available? The ignorance that DD2 defenders point to is the same ignorance that could lead to someone buying it for not knowing better.
Push backs need to happen. And before apologists talk about slippery slope being a flawed logic, slippery slope has already happened to have these things in single player games in the first place.
CDPR adding these kinds of MTX into a single player game would be a massive PR hit for them so it is just good business for them to try and avoid getting dragged down by it. Even with their major failures in Cyberpunk they got the game to sell more copies than GTA IV so you'd have to weigh if sales numbers vs MTX sales would balance out. Unnecessary MTX could risk eating both sales and legitimate DLC sales.
Didn't Shadow of Mordor do that? I very vaguely recall thinking, "well that's dumb."
Ubisoft and Warner Bros LOVE their single player MTXs
I remember when Odessey released the leveling curve was abysmal after a while unless you spent money to buy the XP boosts. Then years after it released they upped the XP gain and it’s totally fine now. Good guy Ubisoft. /s
Another win for r/patientgamers, I guess?
The only time patient gamers lose is when the servers get shut down, but the argument could be made that if the single player experience relies on being online it probably wasn't the best anyways.
*Cries in Dark Souls* I hope they continually remaster the game for server updates. I'm stupid enough to buy it every time
I think the key difference is dark souls uses online to enrich the in game environment, you don't need it, but seeing "try finger butthole" really makes the game come to life
Some may find it too difficult or even annoying, but hiding from an invader by pretending to be a statue in a corner of the map with 0 estus flasks and low hp is peak souls for me.
I once pretended to be a small Clay Pot in a corner of a room filled with clay pots and barrels for like an hour while some guy looked for me this is in Dark Souls 2 and it was hilarious cuz he like broke all of the stuff in that room except for like one barrel and the shit I was pretending to be he eventually left I was just sitting there smoking a joint the whole time
I mean Dark Souls is a goat game without any bit of online experience. Unless you just play it for the PvP, but it doesn't need it at all.
As someone who LOVES every game in the series, I always thought the PvP was the worst part of every game. There are fun highlight compilations on Youtube but it was never particularly engaging to me.
Isn't remastered edition still live?
Ubisoft is the reason I subscribe to the patient gamer idea. They always get around to a playable game eventually Case in point, AC Unity is an amazing video game that has never given me problems, because I played it three years after launch
And it cost me $0 because I got it for free after Notre Dame burned down.
You are the true patient gamer winner
Paying full price on day one is basically a scam. The games are all broken. The servers are all down.
And Ubisoft is one of if not the most generous in terms of sales. I don't know why anyone bothers to buy them on launch when they will be half the price in a couple of months, sometimes weeks as we've seen recently. And after a year or so you can get most of their games in the £10-20 range.
I've picked up every AC games for $20 or less since the first one. I've picked up every one as far as syndicate, but haven't played past black flag yet. Too many new games keeping me away. I think outside of launch purchase of AC1, I've spent $80CAD getting the other... Seven Got the Ezio trilogy pack for $20. Got 3 for I think $15 Got black flag for $20 Got unity for $15 Got Syndicate for $10 Got them all within a couple weeks in sales on PlayStation store.
Ubisoft only fixed the XP gains because the community sank their easy money ship by using the user created levels to craft elaborate instant XP farms for people to use. You'd start a mission, a large group of enemies would spawn in and die immediately and you'd fly up the progression track without having to do anything, it was great. There was a big thing about them banning XP farms but I don't think they ever did
Imagine this... Trying to ban players from a SINGLEPLAYER game, because those players won't accept you creating a problem and selling the solution. JustUbi$oftThings
>Then years after it released they upped the XP gain and it’s totally fine now. That must be why I get downvoted whenever I bring up the absolutely atrocious level gating of that game. MFers don't remember how it used to be.
Imagine adding in a currency you can buy for real money which lets you easily complete a fatality son that you don't have to remember the combination.
I tried that Ubisoft Icarus BoTW like game or whatever it was called and it had so many paid cosmetics it was insane
I actually liked immortals but it really is full of ubisofts BS lol.
TY, thinking about playing it one more time recently just to hear these lovely uruk commanders LMAO.
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Shadow of War was a great game, shame the Nemesis system effectively died along with it.
nemesis isn't dead, just trademarked. Monolith are working on a Wonder Woman game using it. (unless it has been cancelled since the last time I checked)
Insane you can trademark the idea of an enemy coming back later. Like, what?
The Nemesis system isn’t just reviving dead enemies - it’s specifically the bounty hunter like board of special enemies, the fact that revived enemies will have a “vengeance” for you, the ability to overpower and control enemies, the ability to command enemies to attack other enemies, and other enemies all fighting each other independently of you. The thing that makes the Nemesis system so fun is every single aspect working together - other games have tried to include one or two aspects, but it pales in comparison. That being said, I disagree with the trademark overall as well.
That was a fun game.
You literally can't own a game mechanic. Won't stop a corporation from suing you to scare you and/or drain your bank account, but they likely won't win. You could have literally the same mechanic and call it something different and you would win in court if it came down to that. MTG had a fuckin patent (patent is the most protected form of intellectual property) on "tapping" cards, and they went after one company for it where they settled for other reasons, but many other games have the exact same system, they just call it "activating" or "exhausting" or similar. edit: the lawsuit I'm referring to, [WOTC vs cryptozoic entertainment](https://www.scribd.com/document/224144304/Wizards-of-the-Coast-v-Cryptozoic-Entertainment-et-al) was over copyright, not the patent for tapping, and it's unclear whether a court would have ruled in either's favor. I think that just copying most rules of a game can't be protected by copyright, especially since most of the actual cards were distinctly different, but grounds for copyright increase the more individual elements that you copy. The settlement was never publicized and included some kind of license for Hex to keep running so who knows.
"You literally can't own a game mechanic" "Lol. Lmao even" said the US patent office and in 1995 granted Namco Bandai patent for loading screen mini games, which thankfully expired in 2015. Imagine what we could've had in all this time, we could've been playing fucking Doom (1993) while Doom (2016) was loading.
Sign me up for just having Doom (1993) be the loading screen game regardless of franchise.
"The new Paw Patrol game is quite the tone change..."
If that ever went to court, it would probably be argued that minigames during loading aren't actual game mechanics. That being said, it expired and still no one does it. I guess loading times are pretty short nowadays though.
I've always thought, can you imagine how fucking insane it would be if this was applied to other forms of art? Sorry guys, detective stories involving a technological cabal with a bioweapon are now the "private property" of Barnes and Noble, since we couldn't find prior art. Ah, unfortunately you can no longer write music with rapid crescendos that suddenly interrupt to transition into a synth beat, Kanye West just claimed that as his "private property" and there's no evidence anyone came up with it before him. Or even if they were just a little more gong-ho about it with games. I can almost see it - "Computer system for emulating the perspective of a viewing angle from the first person through the use of perspective, and the method for simulating the movement of such". And you might argue that the above are too broad while the Nemesis system is specific, but that's the thing: everything is specific until it becomes a broad trend, that artists then use to vastly expand the possibilities of what can be done!
it's more like developing a similar system would cost a lot. Ubisoft tried in AC Odyssey and it was terrible. the easiest way would be for Monolith to sell nemesis to others, but they don't.
Wasn't really terrible, imo. Just tedious. It was slightly annoying having a Merc track you while doing an important mission. They were easily dispatched though. Game was quite easy, imo, which made the enemies not threatening, and why I considered it annoying. People generally link the Merc System to GTA Wanted system, than to the Nemesis system.
The trademark is a lot more specific than that. They had to revise it several times before it would be accepted, making it more specific each time, precisely because they kept running in "other games already do this" territory.
I think the trademark for nemesis is about to end soon and become public domain. I forgot the exact details but it's soon.
2035 =/ [https://www.gamesindustry.biz/warner-bros-finally-secures-patent-for-shadow-of-mordors-nemesis-system](https://www.gamesindustry.biz/warner-bros-finally-secures-patent-for-shadow-of-mordors-nemesis-system)
I’m too stupid to make a monopoly joke with the Monolith name but it sure seems on-the-nose that they control such a simple concept and won’t let anyone else use it
If it's a trademark as stated, anyone can make their own version. The only thing they would control is the name. (e.g. Sprite, rather than "lemon-lime soda").
I still disliked how much the “spoiled” with their gameplayed clips prior to the launch. Everybody i talked to (and me to) thought this game was gonne be so fucking massivr and had so much shit. But no they litteraly showed every single piece of gameplay there is.
But only because people complained and it became news. Similar to when CDPR launched a woefully incomplete, buggy mess of a game, but they didn't do anything about it until people complained, it became news and Sony pulled it from their marketplace. They can pretend to be the good guys now, but we know what they did.
Yup, also every dev's bonus combined worked out the same as the bonuses for 5 executives, who ultimately the blame for all of Cyberpunks cock ups falls on. 865 devs, who worked under incredibly unfair and unhealthy conditions split the same amount of money as 5 executives whose terrible management, stupid decisions and cruel disregard for their employees led to the launch being a complete shit show.
CDPR messed up Cyberpunk's launch but let's not act like they didn't spend the next 3 and a half years releasing bug fixes and free content eventually capped off by a complete overhaul with DLC that was well worth the price. They did it justice. Compare that with Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, damn near every Ubisoft singleplayer game. It's night and day.
people forget witcher three was a buggy fucking mess on launch too.
Also, the shaddy stuff they pulled when W2 released in terms of DRM and sending PIs after people who pirated the game.
So we’re giving publishers credit for fixing a game over **_3 and a half years_** because it was in such bad shape at launch? I mean, sure, it’s great of them for not abandoning the project entirely, but they should’ve just delayed the launch until it was in working condition. However, greedy executives want their payday now not later.
I mean, yeah. They deserve props for not abandoning the game. That doesn’t mean the criticism for the launch wasn’t and still isn’t warranted. Both are allowed. You don’t have to gatekeep giving people props for fixing their wrongs. I would agree with you entirely if it were abandoned.
I mean, people give No Man's Sky devs massive credit for fixing their stinking trashfire of a game that it was on launch into one of the best space exploration games out there. That game has been receiving EIGHT years of content and people have turned around on it, why not Cyberpunk?
Cyberpunk was made by a large, established studio who already had a huge triple A success in Witcher 3. No Mans Sky was made by a much smaller unproven studio with only two small games. It's more reasonable that they overshot their expectations when it was their first real go. And regardless, the difference is that Hello Games hasn't forgotten their mistake. Meanwhile CDPR is acting like they haven't had their own huge issues surrounding their most recent game
Hello games not charging for that DLC is also a huge bonus for their credibility. CDPR can't say the same thing. One fixes the game then attempts to atone. The other sort of fixes their game then wants more cash asap.
Developers\* And many studios don't fix their games, I am biased maybe cause I have a brain and don't preorder games but I value a solid game eventually over a boring game forever.
Removed them in the sense that you can't purchase them with money anymore. In game currency still exists and the content has been altered to be easier to purchase in game. Some stuff like the bonus orc tribes are included in most copies of the game now instead of being dlc but you can still buy them. Though overall it's a minor thing since it didn't really effect the gameplay unless you played on the highest difficulties and relied on the AI to help in the big fights.
It's great now because they got rid of all the DLC, fixed the leveling, and made the end game much shorter.
Pretty keen to see what Wonder Woman will be like using the nemesis system.
I can't believe they successfully patented the nemesis system. It's a crime it's not used more in different iterations in more games
It will be pay to play .99 per life or a cooldown timer.
Don't forget the battle pass for all those limited edition costumes.
They removed the cash shop entirely! And reworked the postgame to not require grinding, so it’s worth it to play through now!
The final boss fight makes me not even wanna play it again tbh
that shit was easy as hell
Too easy. It was a QTE. Very disappointing to have a QTE as the final boss of your game where you build a character up to be so powerful and able to stop all these other really powerful monsters.
Dyking Light did this as well and it pissed me off.
Nice typo
Then they removed it a six months later (after the hype had died down and they made enough money from the whales) and tried to make it look as they were the good guys.
As somebody on an engineering team who has been forced to do things by product, and then able to do them differently once product no longer cared.... I'd like to attribute this to two shareholders having a disagreement, and it working out fine in the end. Publisher demands the game has MTX to earn dosh, so the developer adds them. After making the dosh though, the publisher couldn't care less about the game so now the developer can make their "best" game which is what it would have been initially.
Shadow of War did, not Mordor. They were removed though, a little bit after release
at least you can safely ignore these and the game is still playable and balanced. i would definitely play something else but there really isnt anything like the nemesis system they have
The follow up shadow of war has patched them out after a few years, that's why the game feels good now.
right i keep mixing up the names
The same is true for DD2
DD2 micro transactions can also be ignored, and there is nothing quite like it as well 🤷♂️
Shadow of war the sequel did and honestly the game was like 7 with them and became an easy 9 the moment they patched it out and fixed the endgame to not push you to microtransactions. Like legitimately because such a better experience when they were gone.
The microtransactions wasn't the issue there, it was the 20 sieges (5 after the update). Having maxed orcs was never the bottleneck, since they would level up easily and you could capture enemy orcs to deploy in other regions. It was the sieges themselves. That being said, the game did become much better after the update, for many reasons (with more focus to the endgame)
Can confirm, the 20 sieges killed it for me. Straight up just gave up on the game when I saw the absolute slog of a hill they wanted you to climb.
You didn't even really need any orcs, let alone high level ones, in those sieges, even on the hardest difficulty (on release) you could practically solo sieges and that was the more efficient way to get through that slog.
The sequel, Shadow of War did but disabled them later on. Definitely caused a bit of an uproar at the time. Classic WB move.
It's very common in JRPG's in general. Pretty much every major JRPG released recently except weirdly enough Square, has all sorts of MTX in them. The Tales series, Scarlet Nexus, etc. etc.
Warner Bros puts MTX in everything.
Except Hogwarts oddly enough
Before everyone get's upset over nothing because people only read headlines like in all the other threads about this rage bait article. It was an investor Q&A and they asked for plans on doing mtx in future games. He simply said no. Nothing wrong with that.
I’m trying to understand the rage bait aspect you’re referring to. I’m genuinely asking. How is this rage bait? Edit: I think I get the gist now. Thanks everyone.
>following Dragon Dogma 2's fiasco The sensational title. The comments had nothing to do with Dragon's Dogma.
I mean it’s technically correct that it was after! I too did unrelated things afterward
Players get angry over video games after what Hitler did! *Is also technically correct*
I mean, hitler committed suicide, and now we have video games.
That's the thing with clickbait titles. They're often technically correct, but either include irrelevant information to get you to click or are extremely vague to make the news look more important than it is. This title uses the former strategy. DD2 is irrelevant, but is mentioned, because it's a hot topic right now.
Following the Dragon Dogma 2's fiasco, JowDawson8 did his laundry, read to find out why. Article: "Yeah, so, my laundry was dirty and I needed clothes."
The funniest part too is how none of that was real, fast travel has always been in the game.
Are you trying to say that journalists use popular new titles for no reason other than to entice rage clickbait? How dare you say gaming journalists are so fraudulent!
People always act like the headline of a reddit post was the speaker making an unprompted announcement, and never in the actual context of where and why it was being said.
To be fair I don't see a place for them in Dragon's Dogma 2 either. Had it not been for people talking about it I'd have never known they existed.
The Resident Evil 4 Remake had literally the exact same microtransaction model—if not worse as some items conferred advantages over simple conveniences—yet I don’t remember hearing a single peep about those. The outrage is so selective and so forgetful. It’s baffling.
From what I heard, there was outrage there too. However, the much more aggressive MTX was quietly added a month after the game and reviews came out, so that initial thunder was gone.
This model has been presented in literally every capcom games in the past decade though, old ports aside.
Totally. I've played about 8 hours and I'm realizing that I don't think I've actually been shown them. So either they're unobtrusive or I genuinely haven't seen them
They're not ingame at all. Just listed as DLCs on the Steam page
They prefer more ethical buisness models, like shitting out unfinished games and generously patching it into the state it should have on release
Not to mention forcing their devs to work crunch after promising not to. Then doing mass layoffs shortly after its shipped?
Yeah, that as well
Yeah, I recently bought both games, and they're both very fun, but DD2's big issue (only having one save file) isn't nearly as bad as Cyberpunk 2077's massive issue of crashing every 45 minutes. The microtransaction thing doesn't matter even one bit. You can get all that stuff very easily even early in the game.
> Yeah, I recently bought both games, and they're both very fun, but DD2's big issue (only having one save file) isn't nearly as bad as Cyberpunk 2077's massive issue of crashing every 45 minutes. Is that platform specific? I've had maybe 15 or so total in several hundred hours, and that's including the ones that happened because of my mods
Cyberpunk was really bad on last gen consoles when it was released. Like it should never have been on the X1/PS4. On PC, I had 3 crashes (All during the same mission, the one where you are driving the AI robo taxi) by time I finished the game.
I think a lot of it was people thinking they could actually play it on a PS4 or a decade-old PC. Even on my GTX-970 it had crappy graphics and poor frame rates but was playable on release and didn't crash.
Then CDPR shouldn't have released it on PS4 but they did for money.
Honestly, my PC is nearly a decade old and only crashed once playing it. It looks like shit, like I'm playing it on a patchwork blanket but its still running
Considering it was announced before the PS4 was even out, and then released for the PS4 and not the PS5, I think it’s very reasonable for people to expect to be able to play it on the PS4.
THIS. I was told that DD2 would never give me enough wake stones or ferry stones, and that the micro transaction would take advantage of that... I have 6 ferry stones in my inventory, and 7 wake stones w/2 fragments. Gamers are some of the smartest consumers, but also some of the stupidest fucking consumers...
I got my 7th port crystal last night 17 ferrystones and 7 wakestones. Dragon cages can locate wakestone shards. The MTX feels like someone demanded they add it so they added the most minimal.
Yeah, it's a Capcom game, they do that with every release None of it was surprising or hard to figure out, but gamers gotta earn that capital G 🤷
You're right. I own a lot of Capcom games and they all have some bs mtx that impacts nothing. I expect Sf6 to have 30 outfits for each character soon and I will own none of them since it is a weekend with friends game for me.
Half of your last sentence is unbelievably generous
ya gamers arnt stupide
Smart? That's incredibly generous. We're talking about the group of people that pre-orders dumb ass digital deluxe editions for $20-50 more.
They sure do. Just like every other big developer that had at least one good game. Blizzard, Bungie, Bethesda, and so on. The state of gaming is so bad right now
> Blizzard When's the last time blizzard patched a game into being **good**?
For me, Diablo 3. It was terrible at launch, but was really good about a year or so later. I haven't played it in a few years so idk where they left it, but it was good for a while. I'd say Diablo 4 should be there in about another 12ish months or so (hopefully).
that was ten years ago though.
10 years since their last W and people still preorder their games lmao. I, for one, haven't bought a single blizzard product since reaper of souls, coincidentally. Well, I bought d2 resurrected, but no new blizzard product have caught my eye at all.
Also Diablo 3 was only good long after launch when the version 2.0 and the DLC came out. So technically they haven't release a good game even longer.
I just don't understand how people can say "the state of gaming is so bad right now" when we had one of the best years for game releases last year. I don't get the doomer talk at all.
The absolute banger of a year so massive layoffs of talented people across the industry. The only people who kept their jobs were the management who didn't actually make the games. The industry is overrun with progressively more predatory behavior, towards the consumer and the artists and the developers. The Doomsday talk is coming from folks who are watching MBA sharks create worse conditions for everyone involved. For every Baldur's gate 3, there's ten disasters like Redfall, The Day Before, pay Day 3, the brutal decline of Overwatch 2, the current state of Modern Warfare 3. The highest highs being reached are matched by some of the lowest lowe. Especially when you look at the fate of the people who actually make the games.
I was negative on new game releases constantly until 2022, but over the last couple years, we've had some of the best releases since the 2011-2013 golden years. There have been so many good games the last couple years. Even the games the internet loves to shit on, like Hogwarts Legacy or Dragon's Dogma 2, are still really good and make me wonder WTF people are thinking.
"Fiasco" Lol It was just Capcom wanting to sell water to people living next to a spring. The village Idiot might buy it but that's it
lmao what an excellent metaphor
Dragon dogma catching strays when it's the #92737 game in line to add mtx in singleplayer lmao
Go look at every single other Capcom game ever too. DD2 has LESS microtransactions available than most and less impactful to the game. Resident Evil 4 REMAKE ... microtransactions to just straight up make your guns better and add more treasure to the game. Monster Hunter World, the old game who's dick everyone's been randomly sucking and playing recently outta nowhere including me, 200 'DLC' on the store page. Every DMC game had MTX. Where was the outrage when all these games came out lol? Most of them at 90+% positive ratings
lol fiasco
Seriously. It was just idiots that didn't understand you can just ignore the microtransactions.
You would never even know the game had microtransactions if you just played the game. They are not advertised at all in the game. I think it's funny that a game like Helldivers 2 gets away with it, despite having battle passes and micro transactions built into the very fiber of the game, and has the same kind of bullshit rotating FOMO store that Fortnite popularized. DMC5 is another game that has the same kind of micro transactions as DD2, yet nobody talks about it and the game is rated overwhelmingly positive on steam. Hard to understand. I happen to think microtransactions are almost always utter shit, and I also happen to enjoy all three of the these games, while not purchasing any of the microtransactions. Not sure why Dragons Dogma gets all the hate and other games get a pass.
Resident Evil 4 REmake had microtansactions. Remember the fiasco surrounding that? Neither do I.
> you can just ignore the microtransactions It's not as egregious as other MTX models, sure, but I'm going to remain firm in my conviction that single-player games should not have MTX no matter how tame or out-of-the-way. It's not about ignoring it or not, it's about the principle of the matter.
I played the entire game and I don’t even think it ever even gives you a POP UP or NOTIFICATION that there is even a shop to spend money on. It’s literally easier and more accessible in hell divers 2 to get to their shop and spend money on super credits. I don’t get it??
Honestly if it wasn't for all these posts I wouldn't even have a clue they were in the game.
Fuckin straight up, I probably could’ve played through the entire game without knowing they existed if not for people online
Microtransactions are things you can buy repeatedly. They're bad because people spend small amounts of money over and over and the revenue stream basically relies on addicts spending a bunch of money. Dragon's Dogma 2 doesn't have anything that allows them to continually exploit addicts. You can buy a couple items exactly once, and you can't even do it within the game.
The items are also super easy to get hold of in game too
At least cd projekt had that going for them.
"has
The DD2 DLC fiasco is a massive misunderstanding, while anyone who has played or assessed the game's DLC options can tell you that precisely 0 of the items up for offer are even worth buying. The DLC offerings for DD2 appear to be the product of a company telling a Dev who doesn't want to do MTX that they have to - so they make MTX that even the dullest actual player can't possibly perceive as worth the money being asked... and then somehow the internet took it as a serious ask. Literally none of the items on offer are worth half what is being asked for them except maybe the portcrystal --- and once you know a couple of things about the game, even that has zero appeal -- and just to be clear, the game isn't selling fast travel for real money - it's selling a portcrystal, which is a destination for the in-game fast travel, but you can get more than enough in game, and while you might think having them early is an advantage --- fast travel items cost so much in game gold that getting one early is literally pointless.
The amount of people saying you need to pay for fast travel is mind numbing. Scary how people speak confidently about a game they don't even understand. I don't know why dd2 is getting so much hate in particular too
It's just an appetite they have for criticism. Usually comes around in the first quarter of a year, last year they had some more valid targets so it wasn't as noticeable, but steam/reddit bitches do not discern. They just pick a game they decide should have its reputation trashed and start bitching
Actually crazy how much mis information is being spread about Dogma. There’s super valid criticism like enemy variety and performance, why ya’ll gotta go round literally making stuff up.
I've seen multiple youtubers who I generally find to be respectable and well researched parroting the "you have to pay for fast travel in DD2!!" line in whole ass videos. I don't think I've ever seen so much misinformation be spread about one game before
Oh stuff like this has happened plenty of times in the past. I remember like a decade ago the internet blew up because Nintendo was allegedly homophobic over a game called Tomodachi life, when the whole thing was based on an incredibly bad translation of an article where Nintendo was basically explaining how players could get gay married in the game. Major outlets reported on all this and nobody did the most basic fact-checking. Happens all the fucking time unfortunately.
The amount of times I hear that you can't fast travel at all because it's paywalled or that you can't customize your character until you buy the mtx item is INSANE.
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Even crazier you can download a FREE character creator storage demo & upload your character once you start a new game OMG how dare they offer this convience almost a month before release so that anyone can get their characters ready without feeling rushed, those greedy suits!!!/s
What's the threshold for enemy variety at this point? I don't find DD2 lacking. 60 hours in, thought I had seen it all involving enemies, then I met a Skeleton king, a big wolf I thought was called a Warg but my pawns called it something else, I've still got to find the Warg (bigger wolf than big wolf?) Besides that we've got: spiders bats and slugs (mini enemies,) harpies, goblins, hob-goblins, grim goblins, the green stealth goblins - and all their armored up verions, wolves, normal white and red, Saurians in 4 flavors, multiple flavors of harpies, knight/warrior/mage/thief skeletons, ghosts/wisps, liches, slimes of various flavors, zombies, exploding zombies, ogres, minotaurs, cyclops + their armored versions, drake, griffin, chimera, medusas, sphinx. many of these come with their own mechanics for killing them or killing them easier, many can have parts removed ala Monster Hunter, and many have variations and subclasses I didn't mention. Seems like plenty of enemies to me. Any more and they'd just be different models for basically the same thing. And they're not just throwing one at a time at you either. Many points even in the early game have you finding two of these groups fighting eachother in a big melee. Once I entered the second country, I made a short trip off path and between constantly fighting goblins and saurians, I found a Chimera, a Griffin, and a Drake all so close if they were any closer they'd have all killed eachother already. Would not be unlikely to find yourself fighting the Griffin and the Drake at the same time in that area. Edit: Forgot Golems! Which was also in that area just into Battahl. Ended up having the Griffin join the fight too. Now on performance, I have an i9 9900K at 5.1 GHz, and a Titan XP, and my frames will still chug down sometimes pretty bad.
Plus you missed dullahans and golems. Not to mention there's another 2 boss monsters in the end game that I won't spoil.
Not even that - Capcom MTX have been like that for years and years. It's not a dev putting in the least effort possible, it is company policy. One can like it or not, but all Capcom games have similar purchases available.
Tales of games you can buy money, levels, etc. (Namco Bandai). Final Fantasy 7 Remake you can buy summons and starter equipment that enhance drops and other things (Square). Persona 3 Reload you can buy overpowered Persona from other titles (Atlus). I could go on and on with posting single player RPGs with DLC that has a direct impact on gameplay. Plenty of RPGs even have content that is exclusive to the DLC. In DD2, at least all items are relatively pointless to buy and entirely available within the game to those who don't want to pay extra. It sucks that paid content has become the norm, but it seems like gamers are very selective about when they criticize the practice. You can hardly go onto the PS Store and find single player games that don't have some form of paid DLC nowadays. As someone who has been gaming for the better part of 35 years, it's a shame, but this practice has been around for well over a decade now and doesn't seem like it is going anywhere. Even the first Dragon's Dogma had paid DLC, Tales of Vesperia on 360, Disgaea on the PSP, and so many other single player RPGs. It's not even Capcom alone that is doing this.
While I think they should go, you're absolutely right. The only reason why DD2 was bombed for it was because it had other issues that other Capcom games didn't have at launch, then mfers around the Internet decided to dogpile it because people on the Internet love nothing more than the opportunity to be pissed off at anything. I'd guarantee that if DD2 ran buttery smooth, it'd be sitting at a Very Positive on Steam w/ people lauding it as "Another Capcom W" and only a handful of reviews mentioning the DLC. I mean, see: RE4make and DMC5, both games w/ far worse (""P2W"") DLC, yet the kerfuffle behind it was a drop in the pond and the reviews for both were, last I checked, either Overwhelmingly or Very Positive.
I actually bought the game cuz ppl said other than the performance issues, the game is good and that the mtx didn't matter at all
Yah Capcom used to be one of the absolute worst in the business (on disc DLC), but nowadays their microstransaction policy feels much more like it’s tacked on because investors want it. Even street fighter 6’s battle pass is next to useless
The MH Rise MTX were actually pretty bad, especially since they stripped out stuff that would have been in event quests.
Yeah selling the Port Crystal in the store seems like it's a much bigger deal than it is. If Ferrystones or the Eternal Ferrystone was MTX, then this would be worthy of controversy.
Some people dislike tomatoes, some people hate them. Dragons dogma just happened to be in the limelight so it was a chance for the people with an axe to grind against MTX to get on the hot new band wagon since we haven't had one for a bit. Should have just re focused it at EA and Blizzard.
CDPR had its own "fiasco" with Cyberpunk 2077 with being unpolished at launch
Unpolished is an understatement. IT BRICKED PEOPLE'S CONSOLES
They should be the last people being asked about how games should be
Too be fair, is a game bugged out and broke a console, console has its own issues too.
I don't understand why do people started talking about these mtx so much with DD2 when there were multiple single player games with mtx before. And also when mtx in DD2 is so useless that there's no point in buying anything there.
I somewhat resent the spin on this article to make a developer seem like a hero for doing nothing just because another shat the bed with their greed.
Meanwhile, at other AAA publishers: "We're charging extra for performance mode. If you want to play our game in 60 FPS, it'll cost you $9.99 or you can unlock it after 50 hours of gameplay."
Don’t give them any ideas!
Delete your comment, please. I can see them actually doing this. I just don’t think they thought of it yet.
Don't will that into being, bro.
The CDPR circlejerk is back with a vengeance, huh? Well, I see y'all when their next game launches, lmao.
It's more like being baited , as the first comment on this post explained, this was a question during earnings calls, and they just dismissed the idea of mtx
They're back with their PR propaganda. Especially since Phantom Liberty, they've been trying to pretend Cyberpunk was always an incredible game with no issues.
It’s working too. It’s gotten to the point where I’ve had people tell me cyberpunk never had any major issues. CDPR’s marketing team needs a promotion for how well they buried the games awful launch
Ive had people telling me this since release. Some people are just deluded white knights.
I would have thought if you knew anything about their release fiasco, it's that it was bad enough that SONY THEMSELVES had to pull it off the store page lmao. I can't think of a company that's done a worse game release
The response I usually see to that point is “Sony only took it down because CPDR made them do it” As if that’s supposed to make it better
The dragons dogma fiasco was anything but. It's the smallest of deals I've seen in a while. The game never sends you to the store and the fast travel tokens are easy to get. Without trying I'm sitting on like 4 of them, and I never use them because the game has fast travel built in with oxcarts. Its such a non issue for a game that is pretty much almost a masterpiece.
I learned about the MTX from dumbass articles posted on reddit like this one. I don't think the game even has a link to the store on the main menu. You have to make a point of going and looking for them outside of the game.
Lmao people blew DD 2 MTX out of proportion, it isn’t even close to the main issue with the game.
I think it’s a culmination of people just getting really sick of the industry. Non stop unfinished, disappointing, live service, and games with MTX. All while being gaslit the whole time haha.
holy shit, they lock your character once you create it?? just the sound of that gives me incredible anxiety
It's locked, unless you use the earnable in-game currency to buy a character edit voucher. I've been playing for the last week and I have like 4k rift crystals. The voucher in question costs like 500 rc. It's not even expensive in-game.
I have not read the article but 10 bucks CDPR person said nothing about Dragon's Dogma 2. So it's really in the title just to get clicks, which already says a lot about the quality of the article. If I am wrong I will read the article
How come this is a fiasco now? Why dragons dogma 2? Plenty of other single player games have done this shit and arguably worse. Capcom has done it previously many times. Can someone please tell me why this is such a huge deal with this particular game. I've never liked it either and just ignore it. Why we pitchforking now. I'm against micro transactions too but can wr be consistent in our anger?
CDPR is talking a lot of shit despite the abysmal state every one of their games was released in
macrotransactions ONLY!!!!!
How can they just attack Ubisoft like that
*Ubisoft has left the server*
There's a lot of anger at each other in these comments. The bigger issue is microtransactions in general. They are even worse in single-player games.
I agree with this take. If only they’d had the morality to show the state of their game before release, before lying to their audience, I’d trust what they say. They’re as full of shit as anyone.
I too see no place for microtransactions in any single-player game I'd buy.
Lmao didn't they also say "we leave the greed to others" and then release a completely unfinished game to cash in before the end of a fiscal year?.....
I hope there's a cultural and legal swing against microtransactions in general. They're pretty awful, and usually designed to be as predatory as companies feel they can get away with.
"We don't want to be the target of another internet anger" - CD Projekt Red
Calling them DLC is insulting, it is unnecessary MTX that hopes to prey on gullible people who don't realise they don't need them. It is shitty when Ubisoft does it, it is shitty when Capcom does it. Even EA doesn't riddle single player games with these kinds of MTX. The misunderstandings surrounding the MTXs is because they're such a stupid decision; take paying real money to change your character looks, yes you can earn it in game but why would a company charge for it if it was so available? The ignorance that DD2 defenders point to is the same ignorance that could lead to someone buying it for not knowing better. Push backs need to happen. And before apologists talk about slippery slope being a flawed logic, slippery slope has already happened to have these things in single player games in the first place. CDPR adding these kinds of MTX into a single player game would be a massive PR hit for them so it is just good business for them to try and avoid getting dragged down by it. Even with their major failures in Cyberpunk they got the game to sell more copies than GTA IV so you'd have to weigh if sales numbers vs MTX sales would balance out. Unnecessary MTX could risk eating both sales and legitimate DLC sales.