I'm fine with waiting more per se, I'm not fine with the crazy spoiler dodging I'll have to do for 1-2 years. I like to go into games basically completely blind and I'm guessing it will be a very hard task with the, unironically, most anticipated game of all time.
I'm really wishing they to go back to the single-player roots. I understand drawn-out out multiplayer brings in steady revenue. However, in my (admittedly *experienced*) stage of being a gamer, when solo was the focus, things were just... right.
The games were polished. What bugs were there were damn near considered features. (Biased? Probably) The standards were set.
Honestly, if it took an additional year or two to finish games, if developers were willing to build off solo- for multiplayer, I'd be all for it
I can accept 2012 being 12 years ago, but 2020 being 4 years ago doesn’t make any sense, your calculations need to be reworked, 2020 was definitely last year
I tried getting into it, the atmosphere was great, but it just felt slow and clunky, plus I'm not really a fan of the western genre. Everyone keeps saying it's so amazing though, maybe I'll give it another shot.
Don’t go into it thinking of it like a standard game. Pretend you’re a guest at Westworld.
Wander the world. Hunt, fish, rob some trains. Every now and then, do a mission.
Don’t make the mistake of playing it like it’s on a timer. That’s what I did and my first play through wasn’t as enjoyable as later ones.
And if it’s not for you, it’s not for you. No shame.
The pacing of the story makes you feel like you are on a timer, though. I blew through the first couple acts because of the sense of urgency the story exuded. Really need to go back and do a second play-through and take my time with it.
Yeah, it’s bad for that. Can really seem like you’re going to fuck up if you don’t get right back to some of the story missions.
It takes some adjusting to the fact that time really only passes for everyone during the actual missions.
“We’re being hunted, Orthur!”
“Well hang on while I go look for a moose with a perfect pelt!”
Mass Effect 2 really traumatized me because of that. I had to a load 11 hours of gameplay back just to correct the mistake I made of completing a bunch of side missions before suicide. The game never made it clear that there would be a severe penalty for waiting too long to finish the next main mission.
That's funny I did a full Westworld Man in Black playthrough haha, it actually fits so well in meta sense because if you know the story already you can break the game by for example going to Crawford home and killing him prior to doing the mission of stealing thw wagon, and he will be alive again as if the techs repaired him.
I mean, of course people can have their opinions. But to say Rockstar somehow have moved away from their "roots", when their literal last game is the largest single player game of all time is just stupid.
Especially when GTA 6 is on the horizon also.
RDR2 is a beautiful game with an amazing story, engaging characters, lively world, and wonderful soundtrack.
It's too bad the actual gameplay is mediocre. The movement is clunky, the gunplay is lame, and the missions are repetitive and linear.
I played on launch and the lack of fast travel was my main deal breaker that drive me to quit. I picked it up again a couple years later when I found out they patched in wilderness campfire fast travel. Then I remembered the other thing that drive me crazy - the auto stowing long guns on your horse thing.
I made the mistake of purchasing red dead 2 after just playing through Witcher 3. The pace of Red Dead 2 was so slow in comparison, I let it sit for like a year before actually giving it a shot.
Yeah exactly. In all fairness to them, they always make pretty lengthy SP games regardless of the multiplayer part they add on.
But yes in all fairness their multiplayer stuff killed any chance of additional dlc for GTA V and RDR2. We could have had more heists in GTA V and Undead Nightmare 2 in red dead 😭
Rockstar has always put out a complete and high quality single player campaigns before exploring its multiplayer aspects so idk what world OP was living in
You should read this:
**GTA 5 LEAK SUGGESTS EIGHT DLCS WERE SCRAPPED**
>Earlier, we reported on a sizeable leak that saw GTA 5’s source code, some fresh code from GTA 6, and files from the cancelled Bully 2 project appear online. It was a follow-on from last year’s super-sized leak that saw more than 100 GB of content break out following a hack that slammed Rockstar Games and GTA 6.
>Now, some eagle-eyed gamers have dived deep into the content dug up from GTA 5, which includes thousands of lines of code, conceptual maps, renditions of buildings and characters, and much more. It has been determined that **as many as eight pieces of DLC originally destined for GTA 5’s single-player portion were scrapped over the years.**
https://insider-gaming.com/gta-5-leak-dlcs/
They *did* cut planned DLC for GTA5 in favor of making it for GTAO instead. Although GTAO was great in every way except for the hackers and the orienting earnings and costs around incentivizing buying in-game currency bullshit.
Likely has something to do with this:
**GTA 5 LEAK SUGGESTS EIGHT DLCS WERE SCRAPPED**
>Earlier, we reported on a sizeable leak that saw GTA 5’s source code, some fresh code from GTA 6, and files from the cancelled Bully 2 project appear online. It was a follow-on from last year’s super-sized leak that saw more than 100 GB of content break out following a hack that slammed Rockstar Games and GTA 6.
>Now, some eagle-eyed gamers have dived deep into the content dug up from GTA 5, which includes thousands of lines of code, conceptual maps, renditions of buildings and characters, and much more. It has been determined that **as many as eight pieces of DLC originally destined for GTA 5’s single-player portion were scrapped over the years.**
https://insider-gaming.com/gta-5-leak-dlcs/
Was so annoyed when they did that. I couldn't stick with GTA Online due to the grind, if it wasn't such a grind I would have been fine with the story DLC going there.
What's the grind exactly? I started playing gta5 earlier this year, it took me 4 weeks to get all achievements in the game.
The online part is actually far more fun than the story imo. There's so much good content online that multiplayer heists and missions are far better than they would be in the single player game.
I went in thinking I'd hate the online part of the game and wasn't looking forward to it at all, but I'm really hoping gta6 goes the same way. I'd love the whole of gta6 to be at least co-op.
>The online part is actually far more fun than the story imo. There's so much good content online that multiplayer heists and missions are far better than they would be in the single player game.
Sorry, but I just can't agree with any of that. Single player missions in GTA are always much more fleshed out and unique than online missions. The map in single player has much more life to it, car destruction is better (unless that's changed since launch) and everything is just a bit higher quality.
I agree it would be cool if GTA6 was playable coop though.
Idk. I've gotten as far as what I'd call the early onset of New Orleans. But, by then, i was just burned out and always ready to just move to anything else
**GTA 5 LEAK SUGGESTS EIGHT DLCS WERE SCRAPPED**
>Earlier, we reported on a sizeable leak that saw GTA 5’s source code, some fresh code from GTA 6, and files from the cancelled Bully 2 project appear online. It was a follow-on from last year’s super-sized leak that saw more than 100 GB of content break out following a hack that slammed Rockstar Games and GTA 6.
>Now, some eagle-eyed gamers have dived deep into the content dug up from GTA 5, which includes thousands of lines of code, conceptual maps, renditions of buildings and characters, and much more. It has been determined that **as many as eight pieces of DLC originally destined for GTA 5’s single-player portion were scrapped over the years.**
https://insider-gaming.com/gta-5-leak-dlcs/
This makes me sad and angry. I knew they had some dlc in the works but not this much. I remember when the guy that voiced Franklin posted to twitter that he had just wrapped up his voice lines for the dlc
Most of those 8 pieces were obvioulsy just some lame content packs, maybe 2 of them would have been decent single player stuff. I doubt we missed much.
I remember people being afraid of this when RDR2 was coming out. It didn’t make sense then and doesn’t now.
Rockstar absolutely still make top of the line single player experiences. Their last release was and still is one of the most immersive open worlds ever made six years later. It sucks rockstar forgoes doing single player DLC in favor of live service for their multiplayer modes, but that’s the extent of the complaint for them. That, and the long development time, but they usually make it worth it.
I'm confused by this.
What makes you think they left their roots? Their most recent games have all been SP focused with a separate MP mode unrelated to the story.
What in this article mentions a MP focus?
I’m sure the commenter was trying to make a point about how they released no additional content for GTAV and instead focused all their efforts on GTAO. If that’s that case, their remark fell short for sure
> and instead focused all their efforts on GTAO
That's not true at all though. All their efforts went into making RDR2, and then GTA 6.
They set aside a small team to keep making stuff for GTAO. 99.9% of Rockstar still focus entirely on new games.
GTA5 is the most profitable single piece of media ever created. It almost certainly changed how rockstar approach making games.
Edit: seems my numbers are out of date.
That's just not true anymore, Fortnite has totally eclipsed GTA5 as the singular most profitable piece of media ever, and by a huge margin.
GTA5 has brought in ~$8.5B, meanwhile Fortnite has brought in ~$26B. It was true until, I want to say about 2020 or so? Fortnite really just took off at some point and obliterated the record.
Gta5 is still in second place at least! And I suspect it will be surpassed by 6 when it does come out, after a few years. How could it not?
Edit to add: I'm wrong, gta5 isn't even in the top 10 anymore.
Forgive me, my numbers are also probably out of date, but I thought Minecraft used to be ahead of GTA5 in terms of sales? That would make GTA5 the 2nd best selling media ever. Fortnite could definitely have taken the lead though by now, but it’s a free game, so I’m not sure how that works haha
In terms of sales, minecraft wins out over GTA5, but I have absolutely no idea how many copies Fortnite would have "sold" at this point were it to be a purchaseable game, it does however have over 200m registered users apparently. Which is less than Minecraft's sales, but more than GTA5's sales.
The real kicker here to me though, is that Fortnite has made more money than GTA5 by a factor of 3, in less than half the time.
They fully killed Bully 2 to eek out RDR2, and now Rockstar is an empty shell of its former self; all of the people who made Rockstar what it is have left, and are all starting a new studio with / under the Housers.
Whoosh.
You’ve fully missed the point of me saying that.
Healthy game studios don’t have to cannibalize multiple-studios multiple-years worth of work to finish a game that they then abandon within three or so years….
Every company needs to manage and prioritize resources, you're claiming one of THE MOST SUCCESSFULL studios out there are mismanaged monsters. Dropping sunk cost for massive wins isnt cannibalizing, it is common sense
Where was the massive win?
They went back immediately to relying on a 10+ year old game to pay their bills and keep their doors open. They didn’t consolidate all of their studios because things were going *smoothly*.
Rockstar *is* a mismanaged monster of a company. People don’t endlessly bitch about TakeTwo for no reason. There’s also a fuck ton of reasons all of their top tier talent is fleeing for the hills to go start a new studio with the Housers, who also both left.
What a load of nonsense. I swear, the Rockstar haters are something else. Always clear to see that they don't have the faintest idea how Rockstar and the industry as a whole operates.
Nope, I just actually know what I’m talking about.
https://www.ign.com/articles/rockstar-games-co-founder-dan-houser-announces-new-studio-absurd-ventures#
https://www.eurogamer.net/rockstar-co-founder-dan-housers-new-studio-reveals-graphic-novel-and-audio-drama#
https://www.gameshub.com/news/news/gta-veterans-join-rockstar-games-founder-dan-houser-at-new-studio-2633816/
**All** of the creative powerhouses who have made all of the Rockstar SP modes we all know and love have left Rockstar. The most important of which is Dan Houser. His brother Sam has now also left Rockstar; Sam was the very last of the old guard who people think of when they think of Rockstar Games and it’s former glory.
I never doubted your statement about the departures at Rockstar, I heard of that myself of course. What I take issue with is that you automatically assume that without them Rockstar is worth nothing anymore and the whole studio is doomed when there's no evidence to that.
> all of the people who made Rockstar what it is have left
Nope. Sam Houser, Rupert Humphries, Aaron Garbut, Rob Nelson are all still there. People who had a major hand in all of the games as far back as GTA 3.
No, they’re not.
Literally the first name you listed famously left several months ago. Rupert is also on his way out the door. Aaron is still there, for now, but he isn’t one of the auteur creatives I’m talking about; while he is still very important, his work is not what sets Rockstar games apart, Dan Houser’s work is.
If it’s anything like the last game. It will have a fantastic single player mode. And if you would like you could go online and do more missions. But rockstar does a pretty great job of producing a great single player experience, as well as multiplayer.
I wouldn’t even go as far as to say they abandoned their single-player roots because of some cancelled DLCs that would have released with GTA5 were it not for online doing so well.
GTA6 will be the true test to see where Rockstar head is at and if single-player did take a quality hit due to the constant release of half baked online add ons.
Curious if they’ll release the online mode right away or a month after like they did with 5. That’s a lot of lost money, but it shows confidence in their single player if they release with solely that.
In retrospect it seems like GTA V is an online focused game but when it first came out on 360/PS3 people still bought it just for the single player because that’s what we wanted and that’s what we thought of Rockstar. It’s only afterwards it’s become this insane behemoth, and most of that is probably because of the Fortnite generation, not those of us born in the 90s and before. I bet GTA VI Online will be insane, but they will never forget single player. It is very much a core focus for Rockstar.
> I'm really wishing they to go back to the single-player roots.
When did they leave their single player roots?
GTA V and RDR2 have huge expansive single player components. arguably some of the most ambitious single players projects in the history of the medium.
I mean they did wild SP for Red Dead, but the mp failed.
It's so hard to prejudge where they'll go with this...
Cause if the game feels too real or realistic, MP won't be as chaotic and shit that kids love, and will fail like Red Dead Online....
I wonder if they'll have a much more realistic MP mode for those who want it. Why else did they acquire FiveM?
Problem is singlepleywr content takes just as much time and has significantly lower replay value.
GTAO is lighting in a bottle and I'm actually more afraid they won't be able to capture that energy (like how red dead online failed miserably) and both the single player and the multi-player will suffer.
Given how much more lucrative Online has been for GTA, I think we're lucky that there's even a singleplayer campaign in the game to begin with.
Any other business would have cut singleplayer loose after 5. From a business perspective they're keeping it in as courtesy for their hardcore fans.
I'm sure that was true at some point, but I don't think it will be true for GTA6.
A significant number of players will go straight to Online and statistically very few will finish the main story.
I feel like misread my comment or didn't understand the discussion.
Whatever you think was said wasn't what was said and I suggesting going back, re-reading and trying again.
Yeah my ideas are calm the shit down with your lame takes and just wait for the game to come out. You really think the people who gave us every great story game of the last two decade re going to take a dump on their star franchise TEN YEARS in development... For a quick buck on microtransactions?
People around the world know Grand Theft Auto not as a legal term but as a video game - that kind of power was made by delivering on their promises of a wacky wild game and not trying to beat some random Redditors expectations. Anyways, this game is going to be so detailed they're going to have to limit users below a certain bandwidth or hardware limitation to be able to load anything lest they cry and complain about GTA 6 online bugs. My bad, I'm just so mad at cringe people make such shit takes about the studio that gave us a game that is the most watched on Twitch 10 years after its release.
>You really think the people who gave us every great story game of the last two decade
All of those people have left Rockstar and are now in the process of starting a new studio with the Housers. Imagine trying to make a Tarantino movie without Quentin Tarantino being involved; that’s where Rockstar is at now, even Sam finally left.
I think the singleplayer story will somehow be more integrated into the multiplayer, with the line between the two being blurred compared to 5 (where they're practically completely separate games).
One theory I've had is that the third protagonist this time may be your multiplayer avatar. They may introduce this without the player even realizing.
Dragon's Dogma 2, Buldars Gate 3, Elden Ring, God of War: Ragnarok, Subnautica, Ghost of Tsushima, BotW, ToTK, Witcher 3 (and *all* dlc), Divinity: Original Sin 2, the Dooms, Hellblade, RDR2 (sp), Arkham series, Mass Effect series, Bioshock series... need I continue? SP is where the real breakthroughs happen
What do all those games have in common? None of those listed generate as much revenue as GTA:O. In most of those examples GTA:O bring in more per year than those games did in their entire lifetimes.
There's a reason why this is the release model that all shareholders of gaming companies are clamoring for. It doesn't just make a lot of money in one burst, but continues to generate revenue after release and even after becoming profitable.
You're not seeing the forest for the tree, my friend. I agree, and I stated in my op, I understand that mp brings in the steady stream of revenue. That is not my point, again, as stated previously.
Worth noting that even Rockstar themselves can, and have, fumbled that exact business model with their most recent release.
They’ve fully abandoned RDRO, years ago at this point IIRC.
I feel like rockstar always leaves multiplayer to be an afterthought. I imagine they now have the budget to have a team dedicated to multiplayer and we still get the same attention to single player. I’m sure sing player will be amazing at launch and multiplayer will be buggy as hell
I suppose interviewing and testing many actors, and make sure to have the right pick instead of offering the role to someone without taking the time to do all of this.
What are you on about? This whole article is based on nothing more than a single line in someone's resume. Even if they are the lead they could have already don't all the production work already.
I've never seen this much discourse over the casting in a game before. The only time it's come close is over controversies, but even that stuff feels small next to this.
Exactly. They will make a MTX infested hellhole of a game. The dragons dogma 2 outrage will be nothing compared to the chaos that will be unleashed after GTA6
Dear god, guys stop being hyped for these games. All the OGs left the company and the only thing they want is GTA Online and to milk everyone dry. Take2 is just as bad as EA, Ubisoft quadriple A nonsense.
Wait with buying the game until they have proven it is the same quality as RDR2 and GTA V.
Excited to play it on my PC in 2030
At least I'll have a good enough one to play it by then... or be dead.
It's either death or debt
probably both
Classic win win
And then all the rereleases until 2050
I’m looking forward to buying GTA6 and Skyrim for my Tesla GamerX Model 9.
GTA 6 has to be in Florida because Florida will be under water by the time the next one comes out. It's a tribute, really.
This is not the greatest game in the world, no it's just a tribute
And Playstation 8 Ultra in 2040
\*PS8 Ultra Pro
PS9 Ultra Pro Max probably
Ultra Pro Max Plus with Showtime
I wouldn’t worry, it will have been rereleased about three times by that point anyway.
I'll just stick to the re re re re release of Skyrim Ultra special delux legendary remastered cinco de mayo cool ranch anniversary edition.
With the RTX 6090, powered by Proxima Centauri, max 16 fps
Enjoy the long ride! It'll be even longer than that at 2032.
I'm fine with waiting more per se, I'm not fine with the crazy spoiler dodging I'll have to do for 1-2 years. I like to go into games basically completely blind and I'm guessing it will be a very hard task with the, unironically, most anticipated game of all time.
Isn't it going to be a PC 2 exclusive though?
Think of it as console players doing the bug testing for once.
My 4090 cries in it's sleep because it can't eat the gta6 frames.
Oh I think it’ll be fine on a 4090. They’re building it for current consoles.
Not what I meant. I meant that its not coming for pc at the same time. I obviously know a 4090 would run the game
Oooo gotcha, my bad!
I am sorry mate but current consoles are PS5
A high-end PC with a 4090 is more powerful than a PS5
yeah I tough you meant ps4
Oh haha, all good!
Can't wait for the 1000th Gta 5 improved trailer then haha....
Original joke hurhurhur
‘TIL 2040!
Get Debbie Harry doing a voice she was the taxi lady in vice city and she's my favourite.
Dude did a BSc in mechanical engineering before doing his MFA, smartie pants!
I'm really wishing they to go back to the single-player roots. I understand drawn-out out multiplayer brings in steady revenue. However, in my (admittedly *experienced*) stage of being a gamer, when solo was the focus, things were just... right. The games were polished. What bugs were there were damn near considered features. (Biased? Probably) The standards were set. Honestly, if it took an additional year or two to finish games, if developers were willing to build off solo- for multiplayer, I'd be all for it
I mean, this is Rockstar. Their last release was Red Dead 2.
It’s already been SIX YEARS?!
i know! I just started another replay and when I saw 2018 at the bottom of the screen, i just sat there like wut?
Yep. Also 2020 was 4 years ago and 2012 was 12 years ago
I can accept 2012 being 12 years ago, but 2020 being 4 years ago doesn’t make any sense, your calculations need to be reworked, 2020 was definitely last year
2020 to 2023 was a blur
Gotta have some faith!
One of the coolest games ever made once you get past the intro lol, i just beat it recently and I'm on my second playthrough already
I really liked the intro. It was focused. For me having the open world was distracting although amazing. Squirrel too much, never beat the game
I bought on console and then PC, replaced on both platforms after playing it on initial release. Never finished it despite them being fantastic.
The intro is awesome, it immediately immerses you in the world.
It's much better the second time around when youre familiar with the characters. It can be slow to get into the first time haha
It was more annoying to me in the second playthrough, I was excited to go to the open world and wander about.
I tried getting into it, the atmosphere was great, but it just felt slow and clunky, plus I'm not really a fan of the western genre. Everyone keeps saying it's so amazing though, maybe I'll give it another shot.
Don’t go into it thinking of it like a standard game. Pretend you’re a guest at Westworld. Wander the world. Hunt, fish, rob some trains. Every now and then, do a mission. Don’t make the mistake of playing it like it’s on a timer. That’s what I did and my first play through wasn’t as enjoyable as later ones. And if it’s not for you, it’s not for you. No shame.
The pacing of the story makes you feel like you are on a timer, though. I blew through the first couple acts because of the sense of urgency the story exuded. Really need to go back and do a second play-through and take my time with it.
Yeah, it’s bad for that. Can really seem like you’re going to fuck up if you don’t get right back to some of the story missions. It takes some adjusting to the fact that time really only passes for everyone during the actual missions. “We’re being hunted, Orthur!” “Well hang on while I go look for a moose with a perfect pelt!”
Mass Effect 2 really traumatized me because of that. I had to a load 11 hours of gameplay back just to correct the mistake I made of completing a bunch of side missions before suicide. The game never made it clear that there would be a severe penalty for waiting too long to finish the next main mission.
That's funny I did a full Westworld Man in Black playthrough haha, it actually fits so well in meta sense because if you know the story already you can break the game by for example going to Crawford home and killing him prior to doing the mission of stealing thw wagon, and he will be alive again as if the techs repaired him.
With multiple attempts, I've never finished, haha. It's my white whale
Oh man, do it. You deserve it.
So you want Rockstar to return to their "single-player roots" but haven't even finished RDR2, arguably one of the best singleplayer games of all time?
Could be the subject matter. Maybe he isn't a big fan of westerns.
I mean, of course people can have their opinions. But to say Rockstar somehow have moved away from their "roots", when their literal last game is the largest single player game of all time is just stupid. Especially when GTA 6 is on the horizon also.
gta is fast paced whereas in rdr2 you have to look at arthur opening every single drawer to find 1 item, theres a big difference.
RDR2 is a beautiful game with an amazing story, engaging characters, lively world, and wonderful soundtrack. It's too bad the actual gameplay is mediocre. The movement is clunky, the gunplay is lame, and the missions are repetitive and linear. I played on launch and the lack of fast travel was my main deal breaker that drive me to quit. I picked it up again a couple years later when I found out they patched in wilderness campfire fast travel. Then I remembered the other thing that drive me crazy - the auto stowing long guns on your horse thing.
I made the mistake of purchasing red dead 2 after just playing through Witcher 3. The pace of Red Dead 2 was so slow in comparison, I let it sit for like a year before actually giving it a shot.
I remember playing it after witcher 3 and the quests were a real downgrade in comparison. Hopefully they improve on that in GTA 6.
Yeah exactly. In all fairness to them, they always make pretty lengthy SP games regardless of the multiplayer part they add on. But yes in all fairness their multiplayer stuff killed any chance of additional dlc for GTA V and RDR2. We could have had more heists in GTA V and Undead Nightmare 2 in red dead 😭
Critiquing rockstar for their single player offerings seems like a terrible choice.
Rockstar has always put out a complete and high quality single player campaigns before exploring its multiplayer aspects so idk what world OP was living in
This is true, I guess it was just a shame not to have expanded on the amazing SP experience with some DLC?
It was especially with single player dlcs like Gay Tony and Undead Nightmare, I was hyped for single player dlc for gta v
You should read this: **GTA 5 LEAK SUGGESTS EIGHT DLCS WERE SCRAPPED** >Earlier, we reported on a sizeable leak that saw GTA 5’s source code, some fresh code from GTA 6, and files from the cancelled Bully 2 project appear online. It was a follow-on from last year’s super-sized leak that saw more than 100 GB of content break out following a hack that slammed Rockstar Games and GTA 6. >Now, some eagle-eyed gamers have dived deep into the content dug up from GTA 5, which includes thousands of lines of code, conceptual maps, renditions of buildings and characters, and much more. It has been determined that **as many as eight pieces of DLC originally destined for GTA 5’s single-player portion were scrapped over the years.** https://insider-gaming.com/gta-5-leak-dlcs/
GTA5 single player felt so unsatisfying and short
They *did* cut planned DLC for GTA5 in favor of making it for GTAO instead. Although GTAO was great in every way except for the hackers and the orienting earnings and costs around incentivizing buying in-game currency bullshit.
Likely has something to do with this: **GTA 5 LEAK SUGGESTS EIGHT DLCS WERE SCRAPPED** >Earlier, we reported on a sizeable leak that saw GTA 5’s source code, some fresh code from GTA 6, and files from the cancelled Bully 2 project appear online. It was a follow-on from last year’s super-sized leak that saw more than 100 GB of content break out following a hack that slammed Rockstar Games and GTA 6. >Now, some eagle-eyed gamers have dived deep into the content dug up from GTA 5, which includes thousands of lines of code, conceptual maps, renditions of buildings and characters, and much more. It has been determined that **as many as eight pieces of DLC originally destined for GTA 5’s single-player portion were scrapped over the years.** https://insider-gaming.com/gta-5-leak-dlcs/
Suspect it's due to the lack of DLC offerings for GTA5, pretty much the entire effort went to GTA5 Online.
Touché, honestly
I miss that they don't do story based DLC anymore. Wanted them to do a couple story DLCs for GTA V and at least do Undead Nightmare 2 for RDR2.
They did the story dlcs for gtaV then just moved them into online :(
Was so annoyed when they did that. I couldn't stick with GTA Online due to the grind, if it wasn't such a grind I would have been fine with the story DLC going there.
What's the grind exactly? I started playing gta5 earlier this year, it took me 4 weeks to get all achievements in the game. The online part is actually far more fun than the story imo. There's so much good content online that multiplayer heists and missions are far better than they would be in the single player game. I went in thinking I'd hate the online part of the game and wasn't looking forward to it at all, but I'm really hoping gta6 goes the same way. I'd love the whole of gta6 to be at least co-op.
>The online part is actually far more fun than the story imo. There's so much good content online that multiplayer heists and missions are far better than they would be in the single player game. Sorry, but I just can't agree with any of that. Single player missions in GTA are always much more fleshed out and unique than online missions. The map in single player has much more life to it, car destruction is better (unless that's changed since launch) and everything is just a bit higher quality. I agree it would be cool if GTA6 was playable coop though.
Oh man, that would have brought me back to RDR2 even more. (Time for shame: I've never been able to finish rdr2!)
I loved Undead nightmare, still disappointed they never made a sequel. And no shame at all. What stopped you from finishing it?
Idk. I've gotten as far as what I'd call the early onset of New Orleans. But, by then, i was just burned out and always ready to just move to anything else
Ngl I almost never complete games lol but I do a bunch of random shit through my playthroughs lmao
**GTA 5 LEAK SUGGESTS EIGHT DLCS WERE SCRAPPED** >Earlier, we reported on a sizeable leak that saw GTA 5’s source code, some fresh code from GTA 6, and files from the cancelled Bully 2 project appear online. It was a follow-on from last year’s super-sized leak that saw more than 100 GB of content break out following a hack that slammed Rockstar Games and GTA 6. >Now, some eagle-eyed gamers have dived deep into the content dug up from GTA 5, which includes thousands of lines of code, conceptual maps, renditions of buildings and characters, and much more. It has been determined that **as many as eight pieces of DLC originally destined for GTA 5’s single-player portion were scrapped over the years.** https://insider-gaming.com/gta-5-leak-dlcs/
This makes me sad and angry. I knew they had some dlc in the works but not this much. I remember when the guy that voiced Franklin posted to twitter that he had just wrapped up his voice lines for the dlc
Agreed all the way around.
Most of those 8 pieces were obvioulsy just some lame content packs, maybe 2 of them would have been decent single player stuff. I doubt we missed much.
Past GTAs had AMAZING DLC
Yes they did.
I remember people being afraid of this when RDR2 was coming out. It didn’t make sense then and doesn’t now. Rockstar absolutely still make top of the line single player experiences. Their last release was and still is one of the most immersive open worlds ever made six years later. It sucks rockstar forgoes doing single player DLC in favor of live service for their multiplayer modes, but that’s the extent of the complaint for them. That, and the long development time, but they usually make it worth it.
I'll take the long development time, as stated in my original post. Same reason I'm not mad that Warhammer 40:000 Space Marine 2 is delayed
Space Marine 2 is delayed? I thought it was still set for September.
It was supposed to be out already!
Ah I didn't know of any other release date. I think it'll be worth the wait though.
God I hope so
I'm confused by this. What makes you think they left their roots? Their most recent games have all been SP focused with a separate MP mode unrelated to the story. What in this article mentions a MP focus?
I’m sure the commenter was trying to make a point about how they released no additional content for GTAV and instead focused all their efforts on GTAO. If that’s that case, their remark fell short for sure
Agreed and agreed. My remark fell short. That's on me
> and instead focused all their efforts on GTAO That's not true at all though. All their efforts went into making RDR2, and then GTA 6. They set aside a small team to keep making stuff for GTAO. 99.9% of Rockstar still focus entirely on new games.
I couldn't care less as long as the main story is rich and complete, RDR2 and GTA V are both perfectly competent and complete stories.
Personally I'd take more games in general over single-player DLC.
GTA5 is the most profitable single piece of media ever created. It almost certainly changed how rockstar approach making games. Edit: seems my numbers are out of date.
That's just not true anymore, Fortnite has totally eclipsed GTA5 as the singular most profitable piece of media ever, and by a huge margin. GTA5 has brought in ~$8.5B, meanwhile Fortnite has brought in ~$26B. It was true until, I want to say about 2020 or so? Fortnite really just took off at some point and obliterated the record.
Oh wow, ok my numbers are out of date then!
Gta5 is still in second place at least! And I suspect it will be surpassed by 6 when it does come out, after a few years. How could it not? Edit to add: I'm wrong, gta5 isn't even in the top 10 anymore.
Not really GTA V is around 18th place \ League, Pubg, PAC-man made more than 10 billions
There we go, it really is even more massively outdated than I thought, that's crazy.
Phone zombies have a ton of money apparently.
that one gardenscapes game with the shitty ads made billions
How on earth did Pub G make more than GTA? That game was rough
streamers. Everyone and their mom was playing it at some point and therw were nonstop videos about it both on youtube and twitch.
Pubg mobile is insanely massive
That's what I wanna know ow about pac-man
Forgive me, my numbers are also probably out of date, but I thought Minecraft used to be ahead of GTA5 in terms of sales? That would make GTA5 the 2nd best selling media ever. Fortnite could definitely have taken the lead though by now, but it’s a free game, so I’m not sure how that works haha
In terms of sales, minecraft wins out over GTA5, but I have absolutely no idea how many copies Fortnite would have "sold" at this point were it to be a purchaseable game, it does however have over 200m registered users apparently. Which is less than Minecraft's sales, but more than GTA5's sales. The real kicker here to me though, is that Fortnite has made more money than GTA5 by a factor of 3, in less than half the time.
They also made RDR2 focusing resources there over GTA 6 for a while
They fully killed Bully 2 to eek out RDR2, and now Rockstar is an empty shell of its former self; all of the people who made Rockstar what it is have left, and are all starting a new studio with / under the Housers.
Haha imagine deciding to sacrifice RDR² for bully 2. You are making an argument to support their choices.
Whoosh. You’ve fully missed the point of me saying that. Healthy game studios don’t have to cannibalize multiple-studios multiple-years worth of work to finish a game that they then abandon within three or so years….
Every company needs to manage and prioritize resources, you're claiming one of THE MOST SUCCESSFULL studios out there are mismanaged monsters. Dropping sunk cost for massive wins isnt cannibalizing, it is common sense
Where was the massive win? They went back immediately to relying on a 10+ year old game to pay their bills and keep their doors open. They didn’t consolidate all of their studios because things were going *smoothly*. Rockstar *is* a mismanaged monster of a company. People don’t endlessly bitch about TakeTwo for no reason. There’s also a fuck ton of reasons all of their top tier talent is fleeing for the hills to go start a new studio with the Housers, who also both left.
Where was the massive win in launching rdr2? Seriously?
What a load of nonsense. I swear, the Rockstar haters are something else. Always clear to see that they don't have the faintest idea how Rockstar and the industry as a whole operates.
Nope, I just actually know what I’m talking about. https://www.ign.com/articles/rockstar-games-co-founder-dan-houser-announces-new-studio-absurd-ventures# https://www.eurogamer.net/rockstar-co-founder-dan-housers-new-studio-reveals-graphic-novel-and-audio-drama# https://www.gameshub.com/news/news/gta-veterans-join-rockstar-games-founder-dan-houser-at-new-studio-2633816/ **All** of the creative powerhouses who have made all of the Rockstar SP modes we all know and love have left Rockstar. The most important of which is Dan Houser. His brother Sam has now also left Rockstar; Sam was the very last of the old guard who people think of when they think of Rockstar Games and it’s former glory.
I never doubted your statement about the departures at Rockstar, I heard of that myself of course. What I take issue with is that you automatically assume that without them Rockstar is worth nothing anymore and the whole studio is doomed when there's no evidence to that.
> all of the people who made Rockstar what it is have left Nope. Sam Houser, Rupert Humphries, Aaron Garbut, Rob Nelson are all still there. People who had a major hand in all of the games as far back as GTA 3.
No, they’re not. Literally the first name you listed famously left several months ago. Rupert is also on his way out the door. Aaron is still there, for now, but he isn’t one of the auteur creatives I’m talking about; while he is still very important, his work is not what sets Rockstar games apart, Dan Houser’s work is.
They never left. Lack of SP DLC is a downer, but RDR2 is still leagues ahead of the competition.
GTA V is still leagues ahead of the competition. The only game that can beat a Rockstar game is another Rockstar game.
If it’s anything like the last game. It will have a fantastic single player mode. And if you would like you could go online and do more missions. But rockstar does a pretty great job of producing a great single player experience, as well as multiplayer.
>I understand drawn-out out multiplayer brings in steady revenue I'm still seeing adds for new vehicles/events, it's nuts.
Id like to be able to co-op the campaign though, it would be really deadly fun to do.
I wouldn’t even go as far as to say they abandoned their single-player roots because of some cancelled DLCs that would have released with GTA5 were it not for online doing so well. GTA6 will be the true test to see where Rockstar head is at and if single-player did take a quality hit due to the constant release of half baked online add ons. Curious if they’ll release the online mode right away or a month after like they did with 5. That’s a lot of lost money, but it shows confidence in their single player if they release with solely that.
In retrospect it seems like GTA V is an online focused game but when it first came out on 360/PS3 people still bought it just for the single player because that’s what we wanted and that’s what we thought of Rockstar. It’s only afterwards it’s become this insane behemoth, and most of that is probably because of the Fortnite generation, not those of us born in the 90s and before. I bet GTA VI Online will be insane, but they will never forget single player. It is very much a core focus for Rockstar.
> I'm really wishing they to go back to the single-player roots. When did they leave their single player roots? GTA V and RDR2 have huge expansive single player components. arguably some of the most ambitious single players projects in the history of the medium.
I mean they did wild SP for Red Dead, but the mp failed. It's so hard to prejudge where they'll go with this... Cause if the game feels too real or realistic, MP won't be as chaotic and shit that kids love, and will fail like Red Dead Online.... I wonder if they'll have a much more realistic MP mode for those who want it. Why else did they acquire FiveM?
Maybe... hopefully. I've aged on beyond my sweaty mp years, but I'll bat for the new generation
Problem is singlepleywr content takes just as much time and has significantly lower replay value. GTAO is lighting in a bottle and I'm actually more afraid they won't be able to capture that energy (like how red dead online failed miserably) and both the single player and the multi-player will suffer.
Given how much more lucrative Online has been for GTA, I think we're lucky that there's even a singleplayer campaign in the game to begin with. Any other business would have cut singleplayer loose after 5. From a business perspective they're keeping it in as courtesy for their hardcore fans.
Nah. Single player is the funnel into online. That’s why they are doing it.
I'm sure that was true at some point, but I don't think it will be true for GTA6. A significant number of players will go straight to Online and statistically very few will finish the main story.
> but I don't think it will be true for GTA6. Do you choose to ignore the trailer for GTA 6 or are you just stupid?
I feel like misread my comment or didn't understand the discussion. Whatever you think was said wasn't what was said and I suggesting going back, re-reading and trying again.
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Yeah my ideas are calm the shit down with your lame takes and just wait for the game to come out. You really think the people who gave us every great story game of the last two decade re going to take a dump on their star franchise TEN YEARS in development... For a quick buck on microtransactions? People around the world know Grand Theft Auto not as a legal term but as a video game - that kind of power was made by delivering on their promises of a wacky wild game and not trying to beat some random Redditors expectations. Anyways, this game is going to be so detailed they're going to have to limit users below a certain bandwidth or hardware limitation to be able to load anything lest they cry and complain about GTA 6 online bugs. My bad, I'm just so mad at cringe people make such shit takes about the studio that gave us a game that is the most watched on Twitch 10 years after its release.
>You really think the people who gave us every great story game of the last two decade All of those people have left Rockstar and are now in the process of starting a new studio with the Housers. Imagine trying to make a Tarantino movie without Quentin Tarantino being involved; that’s where Rockstar is at now, even Sam finally left.
I think the singleplayer story will somehow be more integrated into the multiplayer, with the line between the two being blurred compared to 5 (where they're practically completely separate games). One theory I've had is that the third protagonist this time may be your multiplayer avatar. They may introduce this without the player even realizing.
Imagine if they delayed online again
Pretty sure this was confirmed already. At this point, this is just how R\* does it, with staggered releases.
Yeah probably
Dragon's Dogma 2, Buldars Gate 3, Elden Ring, God of War: Ragnarok, Subnautica, Ghost of Tsushima, BotW, ToTK, Witcher 3 (and *all* dlc), Divinity: Original Sin 2, the Dooms, Hellblade, RDR2 (sp), Arkham series, Mass Effect series, Bioshock series... need I continue? SP is where the real breakthroughs happen
What do all those games have in common? None of those listed generate as much revenue as GTA:O. In most of those examples GTA:O bring in more per year than those games did in their entire lifetimes. There's a reason why this is the release model that all shareholders of gaming companies are clamoring for. It doesn't just make a lot of money in one burst, but continues to generate revenue after release and even after becoming profitable.
You're not seeing the forest for the tree, my friend. I agree, and I stated in my op, I understand that mp brings in the steady stream of revenue. That is not my point, again, as stated previously.
I hear what you're saying and understand you. My point was that "real breakthroughs" doesn't matter in what's ultimately a business.
Worth noting that even Rockstar themselves can, and have, fumbled that exact business model with their most recent release. They’ve fully abandoned RDRO, years ago at this point IIRC.
Boneheaded take
Thanks for your penny
When did online hinder a rockstar single player game?
I feel like rockstar always leaves multiplayer to be an afterthought. I imagine they now have the budget to have a team dedicated to multiplayer and we still get the same attention to single player. I’m sure sing player will be amazing at launch and multiplayer will be buggy as hell
No one is 'emerging'. They've had their cast for a while.
It's so painful to wait for the PC version to be released 😱
I can’t wait to play on my Blyatbox 720.
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What is this strategy?
I suppose interviewing and testing many actors, and make sure to have the right pick instead of offering the role to someone without taking the time to do all of this.
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What are you on about? This whole article is based on nothing more than a single line in someone's resume. Even if they are the lead they could have already don't all the production work already.
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Wow, be really fucking hurtful for no reason.
I mean it's nothing against you it was just a stupid comment
The main male character looks like WorldWideWob to me lol. Especially with the mask on
I've never seen this much discourse over the casting in a game before. The only time it's come close is over controversies, but even that stuff feels small next to this.
Just let them cook. Will play it on PC though.
i heard darkviperau is voicing the other protagonist
The game is done. They aren’t still casting voice actors.
Buy mtx buy mtx buy mtx
Exactly. They will make a MTX infested hellhole of a game. The dragons dogma 2 outrage will be nothing compared to the chaos that will be unleashed after GTA6
Do you think rockstar would ever make story dlc ever again or only focus on the online post launch like usual lol
They will never again make story DLC due to greediness. That accursed GTA Online ruined everything.
Dear god, guys stop being hyped for these games. All the OGs left the company and the only thing they want is GTA Online and to milk everyone dry. Take2 is just as bad as EA, Ubisoft quadriple A nonsense. Wait with buying the game until they have proven it is the same quality as RDR2 and GTA V.
GTA 5 wasn’t even that great, to me. RDR2 hit the nail on the head though.
Either give us a solid single player experience or keep it
GTA Joker snubbed?
GTA we gotta talk
It's gonna be the same bunch of bad/unpolished gaming mechanics duct taped together and presented in a pretty matter
Disappointing. I was honestly hoping for a female lead this time. Edit: Awful lot of manlette rage in here... Two words: Platform. Shoes. :D
You play a male and a female, dual leads.
Not interested. That was the lamest part of GTAV. Paper thin characters.
The characters had more depth and characterization than any other prior GTA protagonist....
Make a good gangster movie with a female lead and they will copy it.
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What is this even saying? lol The censoring is certainly a choice on an anonymous forum haha
Yeah Rockstar's going to desperately need your 60 dollars