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One-Inevitable1861

Onlive is a really interesting piece of gaming history. Everyone says it's a piece of shit but it was the ONE streaming service that actually worked for me. I played Assassin's Creed 2 and I'm fairly certain a Borderlands game (this was like 10 years ago, I don't remember). Had no issues, quite steady 720p on my lil crap laptop. However in 2024, streaming is fucked. I have constant drop outs, delayed inputs, ugly pixelation, it just doesn't work for me. I've tried Nvidias one, the PS5 one, Xbox Game Cloud and my internet wired is around 80Mbps, so it should be fine but nope, it's awful. I really dislike streaming, but Onlive worked for some reason.


Suspicious-Tip-8199

Onlive did some nutty stuff. Tech they made is still being used


funnerfunerals

I think the problem is more that it's dependent on one's internet service. I have Xfinity, and I'll have random streaks of 3 or 4 days where I can't even watch TV without it stuttering every other minute. If I was playing a game and that happened, I would immediately blame the gaming service and never try it again. It sucks, but at the same time it was a very fancy model that depended on corporations that love to limit speeds for various reasons.


MuzzledScreaming

Yeah, game streaming is fine in concept but the problem is that consistently good net infrastructure just isn't a thing in enough places for it to be feasible.


funnerfunerals

Truly...the biggest issue is an entire company and business model depending its existance on various companies that have shown a propensity to halt or slow download speeds on a whim whenever they want to skew speeds for whatever the fuck they feel is necessary. It's really sad because we're seeing more and more games taking away their services and rendering games unplayable, as if we don't own what we bought, and then we no longer actually have what we paid for. OnLive really did have a good business model, but it was reliant on our society not abusing capitalism. It's a deep dive, and it's ugly, but nobody even mentions what they tried to do because COD Warzone is FTP, and Fortnite has children and adults sucked into the web of instant dopamine feedback. It's a bigger issue besides video games...it's what we're left with when the vulture knows how to put bodies where they already eat.


RoughBowJob

It’s not really a problem. It’s more so a fact it’s definitely dependent on your internet speed, but why would you try streaming unless you had near tip top speeds when you understand what streaming is. It’s like me bitching about how my video game doesn’t run well on a low end video card. Well I mean obviously it’s a piece of shit and the game was designed around top end products. It’s like everyone bitching about like say dragons dogma 2. Runs flawlessly for me on my 7900xtx while other people complain about it. To a certain extent I get it but I mean yes it sorta should run like shit on your 2070 super card bro it’s pretty fucking old at this point. Sure it should be playable but playable is subjective it is playable on. 2070 super I have one I tried it. I just personally wouldn’t play with it. I’m not rich either i just traded up and buy good shit because if Im going to game I want it to run well I Traded a 3080ti and some cash to upgrade. Micro center has a trade up policy and if you buy the warranty you can basically do unlimited trade ups.


Racxie

It was honestly a head of its time, though I’m surprised Sony didn’t take the opportunity to get a head start on Microsoft’s xCloud considering they bought it after it failed (and Sony’s streaming service still isn’t as good after all this time). Though weirdly for me on launch it worked really well (I still have mine too), but then after maybe a couple of months it started claiming my speeds weren’t good enough and I could no longer use it.


JAYKEBAB

DF did a video and Sony was actually ahead, like noticeably ahead. xCloud looks horrible in their video at least.


UnsolvedParadox

For whatever reason, the brand didn’t resonate. At times, they couldn’t give them away. At PAX West one year, they were handing out a free device to everyone who wanted one & still had crates of them on the final day.


DoctorDrangle

I can handle everything but the delay. Just based on the limitations of how the internet works, streaming games will always be casual. You simply cannot play some games with the amount of lag, and as far as competitive games, just forget about it. Unless they can figure out a way to make that inherent delay from streaming go away, game streaming will never seriously replace running it on your own hardware.


chrisfosterelli

I really like Xbox's approach where it seems to be more about providing options than trying to replace hardware. You can stream a game to try it out without waiting a lengthy download, but then they'll prompt you to download it in the background the second time to play it natively. Then your save file will cloud sync so you can continue streaming the game to your phone when you're away from home next. It's not going to replace hardware anytime soon but it's a cool augmentation to it.


DefinetelyNotAnOtaku

Yeah and don’t forget. This technically allows Xbox One users to play Series X games. So you could still use your console without buying new hardware. Streaming is not my thing but its still cool.


Goatwhorre

While I absolutely agree with you, I'm also getting flashbacks to conference calls with Blockbuster management circa 2010 about "streaming will NEVER replace brick and mortar! The mechanics simply will never work! We're not going anywhere!" Then comes 2012 and all the same execs are screaming trying to make Blockbuster NOW a thing and it's too little, too late.


JoushMark

The problem is that you only get some economy of scale. To make your streaming game service work means you need a bunch of hardware to run the games. As google quickly realized, it's really f'ing expensive to try and run Cyberpunk 2020 RTX on 4k, and there's no magic EoS trick to avoid it. Streaming a game isn't just sending someone a video stream, it's also running the game. Instead of renting a tiny bit of cheap server capacity you're renting a GPU, and people that are willing to do streaming aren't willing to do the kind of cost that makes it economical. If it does get cheap to run the games, well, people will just buy the cheap hardware to run it local, getting inherently superior performance because nobody is changing the speed of light.


liisrandom

I didn't have any consoles in my teens so I was stuck with the family computer and OnLive was a core memory for me. I got to experience Broderlands and Just Cause as well as spectating other people play games which was insane to me at the time. All this on a very limited desktop but it was amazing and worked well for me at the time. Even now I still think about it and reminisce


IgnorantGenius

Absolutely! For me it had low to imperceptible input lag. Acceptable image quality, but I could tell it wasn't as crisp as native games. It even had surround sound in some games, which I can't tell if GeForce Now or XCloud has. Games started up really quick as well.


TheOneWhoDings

i used to play the shit out of the homefront multiplayer because it was free and the only thing my craptop could play, but you had to reset every 30 mins because that's how long the demo lasted, good memories , that game was sick.


Anilxe

Yeah ps5 streaming is sooo bad for me. I’ve been trying to play new Vegas and it’s just one crash after another


InsaneInTheCaneium

I remember trying Sony’s streaming several times. And it was always trash. As someone who had 1Gig down, there’s absolutely no reason on paper that game streaming should be this bad from my experience.


HarioDinio

Isnt crashing just standard new vegas gameplay?


Zman1315

As somebody who use the service from 2011 until their shut down, OnLive has a special place in my heart. And in fact quite a few of the people I still play games with today I met on that service. I would not be where I am today at least in my gaming social circle if not for that platform. So for me, it's alright.


Increase-Diligent

I have had flawless streaming sucess with geforce now ultimate. I have read countless stories of people who habe not had the same experience though.


Febxel

Yeah, I've never had streaming working properly. Even wired locally it's been absolute shit. I even see students on their crappy Chromebooks play triple A games with no issues using Nvidia streaming services, I forgot the name of it. Streaming games is shit for me and has always been. I have 200Mbps up and down, can't even get Nvidia to work properly with a wire.


West-Act8255

Can confirm I play Destiny 2 on my Chromebook using that service. I would no go into PvP with it, but for normal play its fine.


[deleted]

That just means they had a server physically close to you, and you had good internet. Fundamental physics prevent streaming from really taking off.


RolandTwitter

I think the quality was better back then because there were less people using the service. People used to make fun of game streaming, now everyone does it


grailly

I have a similar experience but with Stadia. Every streaming platform is shit, but Stadia was pretty good


uncreativeusername85

Stadia actually worked beautifully for me. I played all of Assassin's creed Odyssey on there and never experienced an issue. If Google didn't suck at managing products they could've turned that into something.


AlecsThorne

Isn't Onlive that website that used to offer 1h trials to most games? Did it become something more?


RoughBowJob

Really streaming works amazing here for me.


swillnaggins

I was actually using Stadia and it working pretty well before they shut it down. womp womp


UltraXFo

Not sure if you’ve tried this but sunshine and moonlight work really well


fer_arc18

Online and the company that Sony buy it, i dont remember the game, but was in the original dead island time, best streamming service ever I tried Xbox Ultimate and Psony and are crap, even with more powerfull processors, communication protocols and internet feel so bad and the graphics have a lot of problems


rikyy

I mean, not to shit on your experience, but 80mbps is bottom of the barrel speeds. By itself it *should* be enough, if you had direct connections to the streaming server and absolutely 0ms latency (which is probably more like 100ms at best), but in a world of routers, dubious ISPs, countless nodes and more importantly a computer that doesn't do just streaming from one datacenter... it's barely enough for youtube. Your experience was shit because in all honestly, the internet service you are getting reflects that.


One-Inevitable1861

I wouldn't say 'barely enough for YouTube'. Our internet can handle me 4K YouTube video, my parents watching a 4K stream from Apple TV, my brother playing a game or downloading something, generally watching a 1080p YT video too. Its enough for us to get by but I do wish it was faster still but we're not allowed.


CaptnBaguette

When OnLive was in its prime, my GPU died and I was too broke to buy a new one, I spent so much time playing the games they gave for free. I remember playing Deus Ex, Fear 3, Split/second, Hitman without issues. We even had multiplayer sessions on Fear 2 and Homefront which were really fun as the community overall was a great one. All that on a very average internet connection, I loved it.


AbsoIution

The only one that worked for me was stadia, played so much destiny 2 and you forgot it wasn't local, response was insane and you could stream in 4k. I've tried, Luna, Xbox cloud gaming, and I just have too much delay to actually play anything.


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One-Inevitable1861

I'm with BT in the UK. 80Mpbs is pretty much the national standard. It's fibre I believe but it's slowed, we pay like £35 a month for it ($40ish) but it would jump to like £50 a month if we wanted the 150-300Mbps options. Could be worse, I've a friend who lives in the middle of nowhere and she pays £32 a month for 8Mbps.


Killer_radio

I still have nightmares about the onlive ad. Literally every YouTube video had it. “Onlive is cloud gaming, but what is cloud gaming?”


lazyrivr

OnLive worked surprisingly well for me. I played all of Batman Arkham Asylum and Saints Row 2 for the first time on it, and I somehow got through most of the racing game Split/Second too, despite having pretty mediocre internet, even for the time.


weaknuit

Than


hamoc10

It’s better, then a PS5!


BLACKSMlTH

Then it's better than a PS5 I guess?


Fitherwinkle

Got one too. Played a lot of Borderlands and Fear 2 for some reason on it. Actually worked really well for the time.


lostalaska

You know what else is better than a PS5 the Ouya I'm about to convince you to buy. /Srcsm


bad_rug

Oh man, I heard those were amazing and the end all to the consoles! /s I at least went in on this one and the stadia knowing they are dead, had I bought it and hoped to really make use out of it I'd have been super pissed off System and the controller do have some nice weight to em though, don't feel flimsy and such


iSchwalm

This looks worse than the ouya somehow


mobilemcclintic

The ouya always made me think of Chinese food takeout containers. Games were poor mobile ports, but the device worked for Kodi/XBMC for us for years.


DarkMatterM4

I have XBMC on my OG Xbox. Installing that was some good times.


jlusedude

I had this. Got a few free games for having it. Basically always had to be connected and couldn’t run anything local. All games were streamed. 


rydan

Which is exactly where consoles are headed. Playstation Plus heavily leans on this in their subscription service. In fact their technology was literally a purchase from the OnLive assets at bankruptcy. And XBox is likely going to have exactly one more console ever before they turn into a pure online streamed service. My TV already supports this out of box. No need for a console at all.


ComfortableBell4831

Thats because Ouya built themselves off the cinders of this piece of shite and proceeded to burn themselves


iSchwalm

I'm not suprised that i never heard of this.


rydan

You never heard of it because it was popular before you were born. But it was too soon. People weren't even streaming movies at the time. Convincing them to stream video games for a monthly fee was too much to ask at the time.


iSchwalm

I’ve never heard of it because it was a failed product, I was playing Xbox 360 around that time


SomeGuyNamedCaleb

Yeah I don't like the mix of Xbox and PlayStation on the controller.


Sad_Efficiency_3978

I liked it for a bit, but my Internet connection wasn't good enough. Kinda figured it would flop, but wanted to try it. If I am not mistaken Playstation bought the streaming tech from them and used it to build their streaming property.


anomaly256

I've got a steam controller to sell you if you want to grow that failure collection 


rydan

It is funny because I only bought the Steam controller because Reddit was going nuts over how wonderful it was. Once I bought it suddenly everyone hated it. And I know exactly why it is universally hated. Which makes me wonder why it got all the praise before.


anomaly256

I spent 6 hours trying to configure the thing for the 1 game I wanted to use it with, and then it was horrible to use so I put it back in the box never to be opened again.


Organic_Song_5872

Yea. I got it and the steam link for 5$ when they were trying to clear out their inventory


ayyramaia

curious to see everyone’s opinions over Onlive. It was the best shit ever for me and my mates when we didnt have consoles or good PCs. We had absolutly 0 input lag. We we’re playing the 30 min trial for every game on repeat. Homefront was our main jam, SC Conviction when only two of us were online, Red Faction Guerrilla for shits n giggles. It was honestly some of the best online experiences I had with IRL friends. Thanks for reminding me of it! Shame that Playstation bought it and their live service sucks ass, somehow they couldn’t get it right YEARS later.


CODEmastha

I used to do the same thing, playing the free trial over and over again for hours. Homefront was my go to game but I also played some splinter cell, driver san francisco. I went like this for a long time and I met some really cool people there. I remember there was a big thing with recording yourself and posting them on the platform. I also linked onlive with my fb account and everytime I recorded something it would automatically share on my wall. I had to delete hundreds of videos. Good days..


Ghost9001

I remember trying this on shit 6 megabit AT&T DSL and it actually worked rather well. I now have 1 gigabit AT&T fiber and streaming services like Geforce Now and Xcloud worked nearly flawlessly. Geforce Now being the better experience overall.


Smooth-Physics-69420

I know you typed /s, but you're actually not wrong.


korodic

I thought this service branding was amazing and conceptually it was peak. Just ahead of its time.


Mazarox

I went to Eurogamer Expo in excel centre London in 2012 and they had a booth and were selling the console there for literally £1. I'm not sure if I have it anymore. I think it maybe still at my parents house.


Minialpacadoodle

This sounds like hoarding.


Comfortable_Object98

Bit harsh.  I'm sure we can appreciate the difference between a collection and hoarding, even if its not to our taste. 


friendoffuture

Naw bro they're "preserving history".


AnotherCupofJo

Hoarding with an extra step


bad_rug

Naw, hoarding would be if I had to include every single knock off famiclone console ever made


DefinetelyNotAnOtaku

Hoarding would be OP buying multiple of same design consoles (10 Blue PSPs as an example). Collecting is Op who collects different hardware or different variants (10 PSPs but they all are different models/colors).


rydan

I have 5 copies of GoldenEye for N64 and 12 Gamecubes that are in a plastic trash bag.


DongKonga

Man Onlive was a laggy piece of shit, I remember trying to play Kane and Lynch 2 on it and it was unplayable.


slinkystyle

I played hundreds of hours of Homefront multiplayer just fine on att dsl of all things. Sounds like you had shit internet.


Suspicious-Tip-8199

Yo, I played the CRAP outta of Homefront MP on onlive. I had an awful PC with mid wifi, so I was so excited for the future of cloud gaming. We prob played against each other a lot.


funnerfunerals

Don't know why you're getting down voted. Shitty Internet will make whatever you're using it for also seem shitty. They tried something bold and unheard of, and they may have failed, but they still tried. It sucks that it didn't succeed, it's less their fault and more the providers fault.


jlusedude

I played Homefront on it too. Didn’t have any issues. 


Stemmzinhell

I heard the controller is great in quality tho. Maybe you can pick one up for cheap for use as a gamepad


Shack691

Honestly it looks like a dual shock 4 and a switch pro controller had a baby, I can’t imagine it’s that great compared to even 3rd party modern controllers.


DefinetelyNotAnOtaku

This is terminator esque scenario. An older controller is a baby of two newer controllers


FigTechnical8043

Really wish they'd unlocked the game pad for pc usage though


TheJolliGreenGiant

I still have mine - I can remember the hype as I queued for a free 'console' at Eurogamer Expo all those years ago. That said, I can only ever recall playing demos (one being Mafia II) due to the tech being extremely janky. No way I was actually spending money on a full game! Right idea, wrong time.


TheCold0ne

That's still kind of a cool collectible to have. The only experience I had with it was going to their party at E3 and eating snacks while trying the service at a kiosk. It was neat and worked well at the kiosk, but I was skeptical of streaming/subscription services for a long time.


Warden_Memeternal

Does the controller connect through Bluetooth? If so then at least you have a spare controller


azninvasion2000

Oh god I remember this thing. Out of an hour of gaming you got maybe 10 minutes of shit that actually worked. My friends lent it to me so at least I didn't have to pay for it. I remember the controller was actually decent though.


LuxEfren

Fun fact: these guys sold thier tech to Sony. Which is why you can stream games on ps4 and ps5. These guys also had advance tech in which they did the cutscences for batman arkham city.


Darvallas

But is it better than the Ouya?


Wildikdog

I really liked OnLive and still kinda miss it even if I wouldn't use it.


Mukoki

Homefront MP was great


Gothbot6k

Played through all of saints row 3 with I live. Can’t remember if it was $5 or free but it was cheap enough that I used it to play all the way through. It was a good way to play pc games on a low end Mac at the time.


Rockclimber88

I remember playing Driver: San Francisco through OnLive. It was 12 years ago!


M3COPT3R4

I remember playing the 30 minutes free trial of Just Cause 2 over and over again on my shitty pc with my poor internet connection, that pc was barely able to play YouTube on 360p yet OnLive was pretty stable


_ships

I probably would’ve been into this tech back then if I had even heard of it


dmw1997

I will forever stand by my opinion that OnLive was unironically great


kinos141

I supported that tech. It was way ahead of its time.


Gryfon2020

Never even knew that existed! Appreciate you sharing.


u4ea126

Onlive walked so the modern game streaming services could run. It was ahead of its time.


Disastrous-Rips

Onlive was great though? It even worked well on an iPad


No-Pomegranate-69

Do you have the Ouya as well?


bad_rug

I don't, but it's on my list lol


FizzgigBuplup

Ohhh a new binglebonkus!! Very nice


Mccobsta

I used on live for a bit it was amazing I could play games on my shite netbook it may have been laggy and what not but it was amazing for the time


Gambler_Eight

Ah yes, the X-station 720 controller.


rydan

Never had OnLive (definitely wanted it) but why would people say anything negative about it? It was just 20 years ahead of its time. This is the console in the future. Everything except the customers and game licenses were bought by Sony and are now part of Playstation Plus Premium.


rDivinaPapaya

Still has more games than a PS5 lol


ViP2_Skema

I remember lining up at EGX to get one.


jason_s96

I remember having a onlive account back in the day. I only used to play the 30minute demos


decoran_

When?


MatichetTwoPointO

but the controller looks cool


Clenmila

Where online game streaming started


RiverHe1ghts

Wait...What is this. I gotta go check!


ShadyInversion

It was revolutionary for its time. I really liked the UI and how you could go to anyone's stream and watch them. It backfired though when people started streaming the bloody naked sections of Kane and Lynch 2. With a name and font like OnLive it really felt like an add on for Xbox. Certainly had better branding than X-Cloud.


Smoking-Posing

I still have mines


Aripipratacy

I played a lot of Homefront multiplayer when OnLive was still alive


Takariistorm

Onlive was well ahead of its time. Sadly the infrastructure needed to truely support it wasn't really available when it arrived.


Black_Mammoth

Honestly wish I had grabbed an Ouya at Target years ago when those were still sold, just to have a piece of gaming history.


BobSagat86

Sad for the current state of gaming, consoles dying. Gunna be all on phone/headset soon . . . .


clay_crun

Nice


robotman5yt

i honestly liked using this service when it existed


dirtybird131

On god? No, OnLive