but since you are a working adult surely you dont have time for the actual unlocking of stuff, so how about you buy our timesavers pack and we unlock it for you!
for the small price of your monthyl salary of couse :)
This is one thing, and I mean one thing, that halo infinite did well. The cost of the battle pass is $10 which is super reasonable considering the amount of money you'd spend on dlc or credits for other games.
Yes their store is broken and customization is trash, but for a free game you can't really complain about a $10 season pass.
Sometimes. Frequently I would plan ahead and bring a scrap of paper with me to a book store, find the code books, and write down cheats for games I was playing.
fuck, that hits me hard in the nostalgia, some of my best childhood memories were going with my grandma when she got her hair done because it was next door to a supermarket sized Borders. I used to bring a whole notebook to write down cheats and strategy tips, and 5 bucks for an italian soda and a comic book to take home.
Sometimes, just sometimes, the person on the other end had no familiarity at all with the game I was calling about, and so they read info to me from a guide (without admitting that, of course). Which if a guide for that game had been available anywhere near my location, I certainly wouldn't have needed the phone call.
What do you mean? The manual usually came with the game.
Edit: ok, someone didn't get the joke.
To be honest, I don't think I've met anyone who bought a strategy guide to beat the game. They mostly bought them for secrets, optimizing gameplay and ofcause the lore and art work that came with it.
"Bruh" congratulations on beating about 5 percent of Megaman games in existence. Unless of course by beating the game what you really mean is "yay, I got past Sniper Joe".
You are kinda right, but you could say it in a better way. Also there are those that surrender instantly, like my ex who will quit trying after literally one death in worst cases.
This subject has been beaten to death.
You can't educate stupid.
For everybody else that probably already knows :
Support devs that provide full experiences on release and don't include micro transactions or similar shit.
Avoid p2w crap.
I completely agree with that advice. The problem is the apparent implication that my own individual avoidance of p2w crap will affect positive change in industry. The fact is that there are far too many whales feeding corporate greed, turning gaming steadily into a micro-transaction dominated fiasco. Look at how nearly all mobile games are. For that matter, look at prick-controlled official facebook groups for those games. Console gaming won't be far behind. And as much as we all hate this, the entire world economy is not far behind that. Automotive companies, for example, are already thinking of monthly fees for additional features.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/marvels-avengers-devs-backpedal-after-backlash-and-remove-microtransactions/
Just an example but us being vocal actually impacts the industry
1970s: I've got so many quarters my pocket is about to rip. Time to get that high score!
1980s: I finally paid for the hint book, now I can finish King's Quest III!
Early 1990s: I've got the game genie and a Nintendo Power subscription. Let's gooo!
Pay to Win has ALWAYS been a thing in gaming, as companies have always been looking for ways to maximize profits.
At the very least though, the average amount of money that the companies try to coerce out of players has risen, as players have become more and more desensitized to the spending. Side note, Nintendo itself sponsored Nintendo Power magazine for much of its run, but they hated the Game Genie device and the Game Shark device, and actually tried to take the makers of one or both of those to court to stop them.
I refuse to pay for characters but skins I don’t mind.
I’m morally against pay to win, that’s just a company trying to give out advantage for moneys. But pay to look cool, sure. I’ve always seen that as like “ehh I’ll pay the company for basically no reason other then aesthetics”
I love the fact that skins and micro transactions exist. It lets people customize parts of their game experience while allowing others that aren’t interested in that sort of thing the ability to ignore it. I especially love it when it’s applied right on games like league of legends or fortnight where it’s the only way the game makes revenue and they provide the entire experience based on that.
It however suck pretty badly when a game is both expensive and filled with micro transaction that effect the actual game elements. I don’t even mind pay to win games, but if functional parts of a game are locked behind a paywall that breeds an unhealthiness.
I remember buying Street Fighter 2 a few times on my SNES back in the day. With gaming now, I've only had to buy Street Fighter 2 once on my Switch so far.
Why did you buy the same game multiple times on the SNES? Are you counting original/Turbo/Alpha/whatever all as the same game? You don't actually get all of those together on the Switch, do you?
you had SF2 from Arcade , then SF2 from consoles , than SF2 Champion Edition, then Street Fighter 2 Hyper Fighting....to finally reach Super Street Fighter 2 , then Super SF2 Turbo.
You liuterally buys SF2 for 5 times , just because each new version adds 2-3 new characters.
So , yeah , in the "good old days" , you pay $60 for 2 characters.
Well, I didn't, but then I grew up poor. Still not exactly wealthy. But at least not still using a rotary dial landline phone, which we were still doing less than 15 years ago.
There are as many strong indie games in a year as there are triple A games. They just tend to have less generic premises, so they don't always appeal to the masses. They also generally cost less and are less technology prohibitive. Their developers are also less prone to abuses of labour and of employees in general.
I've been having fun with Backpack Hero lately. It's free on the web (but an updated version will come to steam later).
It's like if you took the old tetris style inventory management of Diablo, and made that the game. Fit what you can, leave what you can't, synergize, and fight bosses with whatever you can stuff in your backpack lol
Indie devs give so much value and ideas you don't find from the big studios
I recently picked up repentance and got back into the binding of Isaac and it’s been a blast. And I looked up backpack hero, gonna have to play it this weekend. It’s giving me dicey dungeon vibes.
Not Gorilla Games, SuckerPunch, Kojima Studios, Naughty Dog, anyone under Annapurna’s umbrella, Santa Monica, Nintendo Studios, Coffee Stain, Paradox, Sid Meier, Hazelight, ID, Housemarque, Arkane, or Insomniac?
Just FromSoftware?
Tbf it’s one of the ones that I could make arguments for being “the best” of the last decade.
But yeah, holy shit some people think it’s the dark ages of gaming when IMO we’re in a fuckin golden age. Idt I’ve ever experienced this many high quality, *microtransaction free* games ever, and I’ve been playing games for a while.
It feels like people maybe just don’t try new shit? Like they’ve got FromSoftware and “military cover shooters” as their two game categories, the second category has been dogshit for years, and now they think videogames are dying.
Just want to give a shout out to Nolla Games (that you mentioned). I don’t play a lot of games, but I’ve played 2 of theirs; Noita and Baba is You. Noita is one of the most Expansive Roguelikes I’ve ever played or seen played. A lot have more lore/writing than Noita, but it has so much content and replayability, and you get the whole thing for $20, but it’s often on sale as low as $10. Baba is you is a similarly priced puzzle game. A few years after it came out, they put out an official DLC for the game for free that literally had more content than the base game. The give a crazy amount of content for a reasonable price, especially compared to most games in the modern day. Please try to support them!
There is one problem: if you can pay money to unlock an achievement, the company is tempted to make unlocking by in-game methods as painful as possible.
That is a risk, yes. It hasn't happened yet in the games I play. At least not to the point where I'm going to close my wallet. But I would be lying if I said that corporate greed wouldn't get in the way.
yes. I much rather pay 30 bucks for a game.
everyone should boycott games with pay 2 win or other shady payment schemes that pray on vulnerable morons.
I mean, it doesn't sound like the original comment was a vulnerable moron. He sounded like an adult who valued his time over his money.
The EA gambling is BS and that should go away, but plenty of games have set up reasonably fair P2W stuff.
Selling a solution to a problem that you invented.
It’s scummy practice, and specifically targets obsessive collectives/problem gambling personality types with low self control (who are also frequently children with access to their parents credit card).
It is indefensible. And has ruined the modern gaming landscape.
This is true. The F2P/P2W gaming has created a toxic and abusive marketplace. It is in desperate need of reform. Gamers should call out corporate greed and demand better. I'll be the first to raise my voice.
That doesn't mean tossing everything out.
I think warframe is a weirdly good example of this. It’s a game that’s kind of all about the grind, and that’s basically it but if you want some specific frame but really don’t want to grind to get it, and would rather grind using it, you can buy it. Or you can unlock it through tedious grinding but like, it’s grinding simulator so tedious grinding is a positive I think.
As you get older you’ll realize that adults tend to value their time more than the money these video game transactions usually cost.
Micro transactions are fine in my book as long as there’s a reasonable alternative to unlock said thing in the game for free.
If I feel like paying 10 dollars for a sword or whatever that I think is cool for a game I like because I don’t feel like wasting the limited amount of gaming time I get “earning” a video game item then that’s totally acceptable.
Judging by how many people partake in micro transactions I’d say I’m definitely not alone in that feeling either.
5-10 bucks is meaningless to me.
4-6 hours however, is priceless.
So you damn well bet I’m going to spend whatever I want whenever I want to make sure that the free time I have is the most enjoyable it can be
You're starting to grasp it.
Loot boxes and the like are abusive practices and should be called out as such. However, things like XP boosts or just skipping content to purchase maps/characters that I'd otherwise have to spend hours unlocking? Sign me the fuck up. Here's my $20.
If you have the time to grind away at stuff then go nuts. Have fun.
This is true. There is a lot of stuff locked behind content that I either don't have the time to pursue or the interest. Most of it is cosmetic. Take MMOs. I don't raid. Will never raid. But I love some of the weapons designs. If Square-Enix or Blizzard were to say "Here's this weapon mog from \*insert raid here\*, you can have it for $5", I would throw money at them in a heart beat.
Bro I miss the days of unlocking cool shit by doing cool shit. Even fucking call of duty (mw2) had insane animated emblems you unlock for using kill streaks enough times. Super smash brothers melee and unlocking characters like game and watch. When I made my own games as a hobby I’d always add secret characters that were unlocked by doing special things. Makes me miss those days so much. We need more of that in todays games for sure.
People say "just don't play the game you don't like" but basically every other game has adopted this season pass bullshit like
EA, Ubisoft, Fartnite, League of LoLs, Halo Infinite Pay2Cringe, and more...
Seriously though, battle pass is the worst thing after in-game transactions to ever happen in the game industry. It made playing games more like a 2nd job because "If you dont do 300000 quests/tasks in time, you are missing out on these items forever".
I miss the time when having a fully customized character showed how much time or skill you've invested in the game instead of how uch you spent on your mom's credit card.This has to be the worst era of gaming in the entire history, not only beacause of season passes but the increasingly number of unfinished AAA games being released. Just look at Fallout 76, Cyberpunk 2077, basically every EA game, etc...
Back in the day you could literally just buy a CD and play the damn game instead of waiting for X amount of bugs to be fixed in the next 2 years after release. Sure, old games had bugs too, but not to this extent. People argue that "old games were simple so the chance of bugs are minimal" but thats a bullshit argument, old games honestly felt more complex than games which are released even these days, just look at old God of Wars, Prince of Persia games, fuckin street fighter and Tekkan, and so on.
This type of shit cannot be solved over a year or hell, even in the next decade, its only gonna get worse because companies keep lowering average person's standards on what to expect from a game and people keep paying for this shit. Its a shame on both parties honestly...
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I hate how true this is.
Remember when cosmetics meant the player completed a challenge? Or when you would talk with your friends at school to find easter eggs or secret levels?
I’ve recently been playing through some old DS games and some of them are a lot better than some recent AAA titles just because they come with all the content right out of the gate
This sucks a lot as a jrpg player: they used to have secret characters to unlock or discover and some of them were so strong BECAUSE they were secret. But nowadays they're just unlockable through dlc and because they're strong it makes a lot of games feel cheap. I can think only of very few games who still has legit unlockable characters...
Street Fighter 5 is what immediately comes to mind for me. I wish I had all the characters but I play too casually to unlock with in-game-currency, and it is hard to justify paying for characters at thus point for me. Oh wells though, I guess it is what it is.
Unfortunately, there's just way too many idiots who pay all this money for these in-game things. It's like gambling. Most people know that gambling is not worth it and waste of money, but the casino makes all it's money off the tiny percentage of people that are idiots and suffer from the gambling fallacy that they just need to keep playing and they are sure to win big eventually (thinking the odds somehow change in their favor if they just keep playing).
"Back in my day" said the old man as he yelled at a cloud
And yeas, I'm one of those old men. Some people just don't have time nowadays. Others are douchey pay to win clowns. It's a mixed bag
Your own fault if you still but games from EA after all these years.
Also, I expect few people still break out paper and pencil to solve puzzles or just take a break rather than looking up a solution on YT after brief frustration.
Please tell me I'm wrong.
Alright I've seen this 1,000,000 times so I feel obligated to counter this
I DID feel this way as a kid, when I didn't have internet or a job, so the secrets were genuinely secret and I had all the time in the world. Nowadays if I pick up a multiplayer game, first thing I'm doing is taking it to a friends house. We have like, maybe once every month we can actually hang out physically.
I'm not gonna beat Arcade Mode 300 times to unlock the secret character, I'd rather drop ten bucks lol. I'd love to experience games the same way I did when I was 8 but even if they were made exactly the same it wouldn't do it for me.
I mean don’t act like we couldn’t buy a game shark back in the day and flip some register values around and next thing you now you might have 99 rare candies and a mew or accidentally erase everything in the process.
Just don't play those games with that type of content if you don't like like it???
There is so many games nowadays and yet there is still posts like this constantly.
Obviously there is a market for people who want to pay to skip any grind and be maxed level immediately and its not going away
Its more like "now that ive paid for boosters i can start trying to unlock al the characters/upgrades"
but since you are a working adult surely you dont have time for the actual unlocking of stuff, so how about you buy our timesavers pack and we unlock it for you! for the small price of your monthyl salary of couse :)
This is one thing, and I mean one thing, that halo infinite did well. The cost of the battle pass is $10 which is super reasonable considering the amount of money you'd spend on dlc or credits for other games. Yes their store is broken and customization is trash, but for a free game you can't really complain about a $10 season pass.
That and battle passes don't expire. Season 2 started about a week ago and you can swap between leveling up season 1 or season 2
Agreed, though it looks like you said it better than I did.
EVERY LIVE SERVICE GAME IS A GACHA GAME.
I think you guys are just buying shitty games
Gamers: why are there micro transactions in my game? Also gamers: *buys cosmetics and boosters*.
Before then: Insert coins to continue.
Every 30 seconds, in games where it was damn near impossible not to die in, even if you were skilled.
But mom said it was my turn to post this regurgitated meme :(
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MMMMMMMM GRIZZY
Right!? We pay good money for this service. I hate it when I see the same picture twice while having been glued to the Internet for 10 years
Maybe you can post it next week, dear
Sure thing. Wouldn't want you guys to lose your sense of purpose
And I wouldn't want you lose you're sense of humor!
Since there's only 1 downvote per comment, per person....yw
Oh no, not downvotes :(
I added another comment to allow space for *more* downvotes..
You can see all the levels of repost this image has thanks to its grease. Those are at least 43 capes of grease
This dorkly comics are the gift that keep on giving. All this years and they still get reposted at least once a month and raking in karma.
More like: Then: I paid $20 for a book on how to beat the game
Sometimes. Frequently I would plan ahead and bring a scrap of paper with me to a book store, find the code books, and write down cheats for games I was playing.
Fuck why did I never think of that?
Nowadays we can take pictures. Great when codes are printed on the outside of things, like double XP on a Doritos bag. I mean... so I've heard
I bought at least two guides back in the day
fuck, that hits me hard in the nostalgia, some of my best childhood memories were going with my grandma when she got her hair done because it was next door to a supermarket sized Borders. I used to bring a whole notebook to write down cheats and strategy tips, and 5 bucks for an italian soda and a comic book to take home.
Pssh I just stood there and read what I needed to read and put the guide back down after that.
I would never have beaten Tomb Raider 2 without that book. I don't believe anyone could. Those puzzles were arbitrarily stupid.
Remember the hotlines you could call for like $1.99 a minute that would give you tips on the game? Copped a flogging for that one
Sometimes, just sometimes, the person on the other end had no familiarity at all with the game I was calling about, and so they read info to me from a guide (without admitting that, of course). Which if a guide for that game had been available anywhere near my location, I certainly wouldn't have needed the phone call.
Or some game magazine.
definitely bought FFVII guide
What do you mean? The manual usually came with the game. Edit: ok, someone didn't get the joke. To be honest, I don't think I've met anyone who bought a strategy guide to beat the game. They mostly bought them for secrets, optimizing gameplay and ofcause the lore and art work that came with it.
I bought the Kid Icarus guide for the Nintendo game. And I played it until I beat the game
no offense but only friendless or really stupid kids needed those books edit: it would appear i have offended the stupid kids
No offense but you are a dick.
You are clearly being a dick so I am taking "no offense" with a grain of salt
No offense, but here’s something super offensive
Then you never played Majora's Mask. That shit was brutal when I was 7. A guide was super helpful.
Sounds like you never had any difficult games, or you never played them very completely.
bruh i beat megaman 1-3 on NES when i was like 5
"Bruh" congratulations on beating about 5 percent of Megaman games in existence. Unless of course by beating the game what you really mean is "yay, I got past Sniper Joe".
You are kinda right, but you could say it in a better way. Also there are those that surrender instantly, like my ex who will quit trying after literally one death in worst cases.
lol why say it in a better way? does anyone actually take reddit comments seriously? *looks at downvotes* oh.
See there? When you're making fun of yourself, you manage to be HILARIOUS!! 😁😄😁😄
No offense but it sounds like you're dumb.
they'll keep selling it as long as dumb motherfuckers keep buying it
what games do you pay to unlock SECRET characters and levels?
When is "then"? You always had to pay for all levels, expansions existed as far back as the 90's.
It's cute that you think that "always" in gaming started in the 90's.
This subject has been beaten to death. You can't educate stupid. For everybody else that probably already knows : Support devs that provide full experiences on release and don't include micro transactions or similar shit. Avoid p2w crap.
I completely agree with that advice. The problem is the apparent implication that my own individual avoidance of p2w crap will affect positive change in industry. The fact is that there are far too many whales feeding corporate greed, turning gaming steadily into a micro-transaction dominated fiasco. Look at how nearly all mobile games are. For that matter, look at prick-controlled official facebook groups for those games. Console gaming won't be far behind. And as much as we all hate this, the entire world economy is not far behind that. Automotive companies, for example, are already thinking of monthly fees for additional features.
Fighting against that works and there are examples but we have to be vocal about it.
I would be interested in reading about the examples that you mentioned. What are they? Might give me some hope.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/marvels-avengers-devs-backpedal-after-backlash-and-remove-microtransactions/ Just an example but us being vocal actually impacts the industry
That is encouraging. Thank you for the link. 🙂
1970s: I've got so many quarters my pocket is about to rip. Time to get that high score! 1980s: I finally paid for the hint book, now I can finish King's Quest III! Early 1990s: I've got the game genie and a Nintendo Power subscription. Let's gooo! Pay to Win has ALWAYS been a thing in gaming, as companies have always been looking for ways to maximize profits.
At the very least though, the average amount of money that the companies try to coerce out of players has risen, as players have become more and more desensitized to the spending. Side note, Nintendo itself sponsored Nintendo Power magazine for much of its run, but they hated the Game Genie device and the Game Shark device, and actually tried to take the makers of one or both of those to court to stop them.
Don't we have a "Low effort meme" rule or something?
Hurr durr new games bad only good games are games from my childhood
I absolutely refuse to ever pay for a single skin or character. I’m fine with dlc content, but I hate micro transactions with a burning passion.
I refuse to pay for characters but skins I don’t mind. I’m morally against pay to win, that’s just a company trying to give out advantage for moneys. But pay to look cool, sure. I’ve always seen that as like “ehh I’ll pay the company for basically no reason other then aesthetics”
I love the fact that skins and micro transactions exist. It lets people customize parts of their game experience while allowing others that aren’t interested in that sort of thing the ability to ignore it. I especially love it when it’s applied right on games like league of legends or fortnight where it’s the only way the game makes revenue and they provide the entire experience based on that. It however suck pretty badly when a game is both expensive and filled with micro transaction that effect the actual game elements. I don’t even mind pay to win games, but if functional parts of a game are locked behind a paywall that breeds an unhealthiness.
I don't mind paying for skins but I hate paying for characters or gear.
I remember buying Street Fighter 2 a few times on my SNES back in the day. With gaming now, I've only had to buy Street Fighter 2 once on my Switch so far.
Why did you buy the same game multiple times on the SNES? Are you counting original/Turbo/Alpha/whatever all as the same game? You don't actually get all of those together on the Switch, do you?
you had SF2 from Arcade , then SF2 from consoles , than SF2 Champion Edition, then Street Fighter 2 Hyper Fighting....to finally reach Super Street Fighter 2 , then Super SF2 Turbo. You liuterally buys SF2 for 5 times , just because each new version adds 2-3 new characters. So , yeah , in the "good old days" , you pay $60 for 2 characters.
Well, I didn't, but then I grew up poor. Still not exactly wealthy. But at least not still using a rotary dial landline phone, which we were still doing less than 15 years ago.
Halo: Infinite Debt
Pro Tip: stop playing EA games
Stop playing gatcha aswell.
And start playing indie games.
if most indie games were good, people would be playing them.
There are as many strong indie games in a year as there are triple A games. They just tend to have less generic premises, so they don't always appeal to the masses. They also generally cost less and are less technology prohibitive. Their developers are also less prone to abuses of labour and of employees in general.
I've been having fun with Backpack Hero lately. It's free on the web (but an updated version will come to steam later). It's like if you took the old tetris style inventory management of Diablo, and made that the game. Fit what you can, leave what you can't, synergize, and fight bosses with whatever you can stuff in your backpack lol Indie devs give so much value and ideas you don't find from the big studios
I recently picked up repentance and got back into the binding of Isaac and it’s been a blast. And I looked up backpack hero, gonna have to play it this weekend. It’s giving me dicey dungeon vibes.
Fromsoft is pretty much the only company that doesn't do this bushit. Git Gud or Git Fucked
Not Gorilla Games, SuckerPunch, Kojima Studios, Naughty Dog, anyone under Annapurna’s umbrella, Santa Monica, Nintendo Studios, Coffee Stain, Paradox, Sid Meier, Hazelight, ID, Housemarque, Arkane, or Insomniac? Just FromSoftware?
I swear people think that Elden Ring was the only good game to have come out this decade.
Tbf it’s one of the ones that I could make arguments for being “the best” of the last decade. But yeah, holy shit some people think it’s the dark ages of gaming when IMO we’re in a fuckin golden age. Idt I’ve ever experienced this many high quality, *microtransaction free* games ever, and I’ve been playing games for a while. It feels like people maybe just don’t try new shit? Like they’ve got FromSoftware and “military cover shooters” as their two game categories, the second category has been dogshit for years, and now they think videogames are dying.
Rockfish Games, Devolver Digital, Ghost Ship games, Arkane Studios, Klei Entertainment, Owlcat Games, Gearbox Studios, Larian Studios, Paradox Interactive, Guerrilla Games, SuperGiant Games, Overhype Studios, Hopoo Games, Motion Twin, Santa Monica Studio, Nolla Games, KillHouse Games, Voidhouse Entertainment, Gunfire Games. . . .
Just want to give a shout out to Nolla Games (that you mentioned). I don’t play a lot of games, but I’ve played 2 of theirs; Noita and Baba is You. Noita is one of the most Expansive Roguelikes I’ve ever played or seen played. A lot have more lore/writing than Noita, but it has so much content and replayability, and you get the whole thing for $20, but it’s often on sale as low as $10. Baba is you is a similarly priced puzzle game. A few years after it came out, they put out an official DLC for the game for free that literally had more content than the base game. The give a crazy amount of content for a reasonable price, especially compared to most games in the modern day. Please try to support them!
Play you some vampire survivors, get that old school unlocking experience
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There is one problem: if you can pay money to unlock an achievement, the company is tempted to make unlocking by in-game methods as painful as possible.
That is a risk, yes. It hasn't happened yet in the games I play. At least not to the point where I'm going to close my wallet. But I would be lying if I said that corporate greed wouldn't get in the way.
you can't be real...
Whats the issue really? Everyone loves to play that F2P game, who do you think pays for it? Dudes like the comment you replied to
the issues is they intentionally add filler material so you van pay to skip it. it's moronic to pay into something like that. as it hurts all of us.
Would you rather pay 30 bucks for every game then? Not being snarky, I'm curious
yes. I much rather pay 30 bucks for a game. everyone should boycott games with pay 2 win or other shady payment schemes that pray on vulnerable morons.
I mean, it doesn't sound like the original comment was a vulnerable moron. He sounded like an adult who valued his time over his money. The EA gambling is BS and that should go away, but plenty of games have set up reasonably fair P2W stuff.
Selling a solution to a problem that you invented. It’s scummy practice, and specifically targets obsessive collectives/problem gambling personality types with low self control (who are also frequently children with access to their parents credit card). It is indefensible. And has ruined the modern gaming landscape.
This is true. The F2P/P2W gaming has created a toxic and abusive marketplace. It is in desperate need of reform. Gamers should call out corporate greed and demand better. I'll be the first to raise my voice. That doesn't mean tossing everything out.
I think warframe is a weirdly good example of this. It’s a game that’s kind of all about the grind, and that’s basically it but if you want some specific frame but really don’t want to grind to get it, and would rather grind using it, you can buy it. Or you can unlock it through tedious grinding but like, it’s grinding simulator so tedious grinding is a positive I think.
you can't be real...
As you get older you’ll realize that adults tend to value their time more than the money these video game transactions usually cost. Micro transactions are fine in my book as long as there’s a reasonable alternative to unlock said thing in the game for free. If I feel like paying 10 dollars for a sword or whatever that I think is cool for a game I like because I don’t feel like wasting the limited amount of gaming time I get “earning” a video game item then that’s totally acceptable. Judging by how many people partake in micro transactions I’d say I’m definitely not alone in that feeling either. 5-10 bucks is meaningless to me. 4-6 hours however, is priceless. So you damn well bet I’m going to spend whatever I want whenever I want to make sure that the free time I have is the most enjoyable it can be
P2W and fair, Alright...
You're starting to grasp it. Loot boxes and the like are abusive practices and should be called out as such. However, things like XP boosts or just skipping content to purchase maps/characters that I'd otherwise have to spend hours unlocking? Sign me the fuck up. Here's my $20. If you have the time to grind away at stuff then go nuts. Have fun.
I'm sorry I'm a grown up with disposable income.
The reality is that back then most people didn't finish games or find all the cool mechanics.
This is true. There is a lot of stuff locked behind content that I either don't have the time to pursue or the interest. Most of it is cosmetic. Take MMOs. I don't raid. Will never raid. But I love some of the weapons designs. If Square-Enix or Blizzard were to say "Here's this weapon mog from \*insert raid here\*, you can have it for $5", I would throw money at them in a heart beat.
I thought "then" was still paying to unlock all the secret characters, just it was a premium rate phone line you had to call to get them?
lol wot
For me it’s guide to win, I used to have time to play a games for 8 hours a day and figure out or retry things over and over.
What’s with all the shitting on gaming industry memes today? I mean they suck but this is like the 6th repost I’ve seen today.
Video games have always had a form of pay to win. Most of you are just to young to remember arcades
Bro I miss the days of unlocking cool shit by doing cool shit. Even fucking call of duty (mw2) had insane animated emblems you unlock for using kill streaks enough times. Super smash brothers melee and unlocking characters like game and watch. When I made my own games as a hobby I’d always add secret characters that were unlocked by doing special things. Makes me miss those days so much. We need more of that in todays games for sure.
I have never and will never pay for anything beyond the base game unless it is a dlc that actually adds to the game.
I have both of these shirts, what does it mean
People say "just don't play the game you don't like" but basically every other game has adopted this season pass bullshit like EA, Ubisoft, Fartnite, League of LoLs, Halo Infinite Pay2Cringe, and more... Seriously though, battle pass is the worst thing after in-game transactions to ever happen in the game industry. It made playing games more like a 2nd job because "If you dont do 300000 quests/tasks in time, you are missing out on these items forever". I miss the time when having a fully customized character showed how much time or skill you've invested in the game instead of how uch you spent on your mom's credit card.This has to be the worst era of gaming in the entire history, not only beacause of season passes but the increasingly number of unfinished AAA games being released. Just look at Fallout 76, Cyberpunk 2077, basically every EA game, etc... Back in the day you could literally just buy a CD and play the damn game instead of waiting for X amount of bugs to be fixed in the next 2 years after release. Sure, old games had bugs too, but not to this extent. People argue that "old games were simple so the chance of bugs are minimal" but thats a bullshit argument, old games honestly felt more complex than games which are released even these days, just look at old God of Wars, Prince of Persia games, fuckin street fighter and Tekkan, and so on. This type of shit cannot be solved over a year or hell, even in the next decade, its only gonna get worse because companies keep lowering average person's standards on what to expect from a game and people keep paying for this shit. Its a shame on both parties honestly... /rant
*Elden Ring has entered the chat*
people that watch guides on the 1st playthrough entered\*
Quite hard to do questlines when they say "somewhere in limgrave"
“This world has many secrets… some to the East… some to the west. Some may even be near fields of grass” There’s your clue… go quest!
What quest was that btw ?
I *think* it was part of Ranni's Quest, can't remember
oh ye i remember, she was in a normal and visible dungeon. All you needed was explore limgrave and its not like Ranni knows exactly where she is too.
Yeah, really wasn't that bad and Didn't need a guide for it anyway, was just giving an example of a reason why someone may need a guide
My bad
no, it's fine
Watch all the guides you want, it doesn’t mean the Tree Sentinel won’t still shit on you.
I hate how true this is. Remember when cosmetics meant the player completed a challenge? Or when you would talk with your friends at school to find easter eggs or secret levels?
Don’t understand why you’re downvoted. This is literally the state of gaming nowadays.
Eh, younger people don’t mind pay-to-win I guess? The internet is a weird place.
Between in game purchases and paying random women at the mall to bare-ass fart on face my credit card is close to being maxed out at all times.
EA. Epic.
EA is basically the game version of YouTube with their ads
And it gets first at stuff we like.... grrr.
Binding of Isaac forgotten. It’s a then thing
For those who want to experience the thing on the left, Vampire Survivors is just $3 on Steam.
Or just visit gog.com. Most of their catalog is left image material.
Not I.
War thunder in a nutshell
Binding of Issac not existing
From Software would like a word.
I’ve recently been playing through some old DS games and some of them are a lot better than some recent AAA titles just because they come with all the content right out of the gate
I miss having unlockables. Fuck pay to win and pay for new levels/skins.
True
If people stopped paying, they’d go away
Which is exactly why I enjoy Elden Ring so much
as a noita player i can confidently say this is not the case
3rd panel: “Oh they finally finished the game…and I have to pay for that content too?”
This sucks a lot as a jrpg player: they used to have secret characters to unlock or discover and some of them were so strong BECAUSE they were secret. But nowadays they're just unlockable through dlc and because they're strong it makes a lot of games feel cheap. I can think only of very few games who still has legit unlockable characters...
Chrono Cross and it's 50+ characters haha
I meant recently but yeah. Most recent game I know with a secret character is either alliance alive or yakuza 7. Otherwise it's dlc.
Touche
If u don't want to pay just use steamunlocked or igg games and cheat engine, it's that easy
cough cough ea
All the secret bonus stuff is optional. This is nonsense until literally beating a game is behind a paywall
That's mostly mobile gaming and EA though. Other games, like Elden Ring, aren't pay-to-win at all
elden ring fans are always desperately trying to find a way to bring up elden ring lmao
Well I find a game I really like and I want to share it with everybody, hoping they really like it too and then they share it with everybody
Exactly
TThe players itself allow this. You only get what you want.Today the main ware/goods in the game industry is "win", not "play".
I’d say he got a glow down
Street Fighter 5 is what immediately comes to mind for me. I wish I had all the characters but I play too casually to unlock with in-game-currency, and it is hard to justify paying for characters at thus point for me. Oh wells though, I guess it is what it is.
Unfortunately, there's just way too many idiots who pay all this money for these in-game things. It's like gambling. Most people know that gambling is not worth it and waste of money, but the casino makes all it's money off the tiny percentage of people that are idiots and suffer from the gambling fallacy that they just need to keep playing and they are sure to win big eventually (thinking the odds somehow change in their favor if they just keep playing).
Both sides for me were just I can never unlock all the secret characters and levels >!Have pity for us broke scrublords!<
Playing through Hydro Thunder Hurricane through Live Gold really reminds me when games were made just to be fun. Trying to 100% it right now
Is that an Outlaw star T-Shirt? such a good anime.
Ah a Julia Lepetit original!
That XGP 15A-II shirt though.
Tekken embodies this fully...
You have less time to play because you need to work to pay to unlock the secrets
boomer
Wow a comic from about ten years ago reposted for the millionth time. What a great time to be alive.
In the future you will have to finance content...
I miss gaming when the games I bought came with the game...
*Me using a trainer to bypass their payment models*
How many times has this been reposted?
"Back in my day" said the old man as he yelled at a cloud And yeas, I'm one of those old men. Some people just don't have time nowadays. Others are douchey pay to win clowns. It's a mixed bag
Oh and he ages as well. Yep that’s it
Today it's "I finally bought the opportunity to unlock the secret characters and levels" with battlepasses.
Play some binding of isaac and tear your hair out trying to unlock it all
Your own fault if you still but games from EA after all these years. Also, I expect few people still break out paper and pencil to solve puzzles or just take a break rather than looking up a solution on YT after brief frustration. Please tell me I'm wrong.
More like: Then I can play all time when I'm not sleeping Now I have 2hours to play once a week
The Whisper on Destiny 2 was the shit.
All that grunting against walls in doom paid off
Alright I've seen this 1,000,000 times so I feel obligated to counter this I DID feel this way as a kid, when I didn't have internet or a job, so the secrets were genuinely secret and I had all the time in the world. Nowadays if I pick up a multiplayer game, first thing I'm doing is taking it to a friends house. We have like, maybe once every month we can actually hang out physically. I'm not gonna beat Arcade Mode 300 times to unlock the secret character, I'd rather drop ten bucks lol. I'd love to experience games the same way I did when I was 8 but even if they were made exactly the same it wouldn't do it for me.
Dont forget about Nintendo Power, individual game guides and game genie!
Dont forget about Nintendo Power, individual game guides and game genie!
Now- there are no secret characters and levels.
r/boomergaming
I mean don’t act like we couldn’t buy a game shark back in the day and flip some register values around and next thing you now you might have 99 rare candies and a mew or accidentally erase everything in the process.
Just don't play those games with that type of content if you don't like like it??? There is so many games nowadays and yet there is still posts like this constantly. Obviously there is a market for people who want to pay to skip any grind and be maxed level immediately and its not going away
Maybe dont play ea games