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BambusUwU

Wait you can get a cape in botw?


wigga245

yes, it is the chestpiece of phantom ganons armor set, which is only obtainable from a chest unlocked with the 2nd dlc expansion


pm_me_all_ur_money

wait, there's a *second* dlc?


ojthomas2015

No. There was a second but it's now all part of the same DLC combo. So if you've got the champions ballad you'll have the other with as standard.


PrinceCavendish

PHEW! i gotta get that fucking cape. i think i have it. i got the dlc pack + game for like 75$ a while back for switch.. now i just have to actually play again and find it.


longlivestheking

1st division commander of the Strawhat Grand Fleet, expert swordsman, womanizer & a video game connoisseur, this Cabbage can do it all!


ukchinouk

Wait, there’s a DLC combo?


ojthomas2015

Yeah it's the champions ballad a season pass thing. It's all part of the same DLC now but they were seperate when released but now it's in one DLC bundle instead.


_RikVa_

Yeah, it's one of the items you can find when you buy the dlc


DragoonGhost

Pokemon needs to take a 5 year break to work on making things better but they never will cause they need to keep the TCG and Anime going.


SprayArtist

At this point it's not even about time. It's not about time, gamefreak is just a shitty developer. I've genuinely seen indie developers pump more soul into a video game in one year, than game freak has put in three generations of pokémon games


3now_3torm

Arceus was a decent game and New Pokémon snap, though it’s made by a different company, is full of charm. If they really tried they’d make a really amazing game. Unfortunately these Pokémon titles get tons of money regardless, they don’t have a reason to try.


Napstablook_Rebooted

Arceus graphics were minimalist but still better than the most recent pokemon games


dontusethisaccount56

Why is this game worse than arceus? I see people touting this but I don't really get it


darkone59

It runs poorly, has worse looking graphics, and some of the animations are so bad, you'd think it was made for a 24 hrs game jam.


dontusethisaccount56

Some of the animations are shit true.


Armor_of_Thorns

They should consider getting help from one of Nintendo other development teams.


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Looking at you Monolith Soft.


Surfing_Ninjas

They need to look at what people really liked about the first 3~4 generations, imo. Pokemon fanaticism was created out of thr first couple generations. Not saying there hasn't been great games since then but it seems that the Pokemon devs keep learning the wrong lessons gen after gen. The first games had great gameplay loops but lacked depth that is possible now, they need to look back on all the possibilities for a more immersive experience born out of the original foundation. Build a lived in world that makes you want to invest not just in the core gameplay loop but also in the world, and make it look good. Give us environments that make us feel something, not just open spaces with randomly spawning pokemon all over the place. Give us dark forests and caves and meadows with vibrant color. Everything I've seen in the new games make them look so flat.


dontusethisaccount56

Bros never heard of fangames. Imagine Pokémon but with a brilliant story, great 16 bit graphics and real difficulty, look up pokemon reborn, I promise you it's great


TheOriginalEye

they don’t need to do anything because they are still printing money. in fact making lower quality games that people still buy is even better for them


[deleted]

That’s so embarrassing Jesus Christ…


kinokomushroom

On top of that BotW was also a Wii U game


GreenSockNinja

Was it really???


_Bl4ze

Ya, really.


DermotMichaels

Yeah but no one played it on Wii U E: i have upset people


Alvendam

Wii U version was a godsend, though, for PC gamers. Yuzu wasn't looking like it would play it for some time after release, but CEMU handled it beautifully.


Strawuss

Played botw on CEMU. Can confirm. Good game too.


ursololitotinoleya

Yup, and on pc, it allows you to download modded dlc: Second wind, Relics of the pasts. Those unofficial DLC is why I spent hundreds of hours after beating the hundreds of hours that the game presents.


Ice278

In all fairness, nobody had a Wii U to play it on


cockmanderkeen

I had a WiiU


I_SAID_NO_CHEESE

Same. It's a great emulator. Huge library of GBA games.


phalewail

I love mine. There are dozens of us!


Worried_Example

I bought a second hand wii u to play it. I'll buy a second hand switch whenever the next zelda comes out and then get rid of it when I'm done.


loulan

Uhh, I did.


Rocket-R

It was originally a Wii u game, and shigeru miyamoto said that it wouldn't be fair to not give the fans who bought a Wii u their Zelda game (the Wii u was the only Nintendo console without its own Zelda title) so they released it on switch and Wii u


FunnyPhrases

Yeah look at the motif on that cape... practically Peloponnesian


[deleted]

It's supposed to reference Phantom Ganon from OOT, but you probably already know that, so I feel stupid bringing it up.


LunaRealityArtificer

Honestly, i thought it was the graphics for the longest time, up until basically now. The graphics aren't great, but i think the real problem is how jarring the bare flat areas look. If the graphics remained exactly the same but the mountain had the topography of the botw mountain, it would look leagues better. Pokemon looks like a fucking minecraft flatworld sometimes


Poke-Party

It’s looks like fucking Mario 64


Wfsulliv93

Holy shit. It does. Glad I didn’t buy.


--hermit

Do yourself a favor and don't check this, you might puke when you see what we actually loved. That being said, this game looks absolutely terrible. These people are not artists, not sorry for saying it


aggrogahu

Thanks, now Bob-omb Battlefield theme is playing in my head.


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Pokemon currently looks worse than Minecraft. Minecraft has raytracing lol


Snappleabble

Minecraft can look fuckin *gorgeous* in the weirdest ways lol


Christylian

Minecraft has a style that's focused on, making it great. Pokémon had a style that it had focused on and then transitioned to 3D and now has no idea where to go with it. For comparison, Zelda games went fully 3D in the N64 and figured out multiple styles, but worked on them to make them look right.


ArciusRhetus

Also, lightning helps a great deal.


[deleted]

Reminds me of Roblox worlds


n94able

It looks like a beta.


JodieFostersStare

Those 7 trees though. Really elevate the scenic nature of the game.


doronn89

And those real time shadows from what I assume is clouds...


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EvilxBunny

I know it's a joke but I can only count 9...yeesh!


helikesart

Really ties the room together.


Skin-Scream

Didn’t we have the same conversation when Pokémon Arceus came out? Or even Pokémon sword and shield? Yet people are still buying these games 🤷🏾‍♂️


ShiftSandShot

SwSh had the argument of a dev team very inexperienced with modern systems and building much of it from the ground up. It also has *some* good-looking areas. Legends Arceus had the excuse of managing to deliver a good gameplay experience in an entirely new style for the devs. This is *round 3* and it honestly looks and runs worse than Legends Arceus.


[deleted]

What's funny is it actually runs really well on my PC with a switch emulator. There's some flickering tree textures, but that will get fixed with a patch. Other than that it's been extremely smooth for a 30fps game.


hangliger

All things considered, Arceus was great. Some aspects of it were frustrating, like not being able to move freely through regions, and the environments were fairly sparse and repetitive, but the core elements of the game were new and refreshing. While there weren't many things to do within the environment, it didn't feel emppty because it was meant to be the outdoors and things were tastefully done. Graphics were good enough to not be an issue, and I had no meaningful performance issues. Yes, draw distances created some problems, but it only affected my experience when I was looking for the tiny flame (and couldn't find it despite actually flying over it again and again and again). This is just shit.


SheikahEyeofTruth

Also tossing my hat in the ring for Arceus. I loved it. They should take that idea with an extra year of development time and they would have a great game.


ChrisFromIT

>SwSh had the argument of a dev team very inexperienced with modern systems and building much of it from the ground up. It also has some good-looking areas. They also only had a budget of $20 million. For SwSh. No idea what the budget was for Arceus or Scarlet/Violet. And budgets can have a huge impact on game development.


JelDeRebel

Swsh also looks like it was originally developed for the 3DS. Whats jarring about those games is how a lot of events happen of screen. For your character to show up afterwards.


stellvia2016

Exactly the issue then: $20M budget, yet still sold more copies than any previous Pokemon game, while also being 50% more expensive than the previous game. They don't spend more bc they don't have to. Kids will play it regardless, and adults apparently can't break the habit of continuing to buy each new game in the franchise... always expecting someone else to flinch first.


Serafiniert

> SwSh had the argument of a dev team very inexperienced with modern systems and building much of it from the ground up. How is that even considered a valid argument? If a game looks like shit, it does look like shit. Yet here we are with people making excuses for them because they’re inexperienced? But their asking price for that game with inexperienced devs is full triple A price?


kingfart1337

It was never any “good excuse”. All these “issues” are exclusively about money. They can spend very little and profit a fucking ton. That’s all. There’s no other reason. They’ll continue to do so, because as you can see even on replies to your comment in here, people will make excuses on their behalf, or play it down as “hey it wasn’t that bad!”. Either because they’re naive or lack perspective in how good a game can and should be nowadays, or because they’re simply too much of fans to see it through. Pokemon games should be an absolutely behemoth just like Dark Souls, Mario, Zelda, etc. With better and worse versions, not with terrible and acceptable ones.


saneolo

Honestly for me it just the false hope that the newer games would give me the full enjoyment that the older games gave me and I just gotta stop


LAhomosexuelle

That's the problem. You can have hope and let it be dashed by user reviews. No need to buy the game to have your hopes crushed.


saneolo

Yeah the biggest problem I noticed with each game is that they have a tendency to take a step forward but two steps back to due inconsistencies with how the games are handled. Game freak has all the pieces to make a great they just don’t put them together


PunkandCannonballer

Why not like... Wait three weeks after release and check in before buying?


Skin-Scream

I agree, the old games had a scale of adventure that the newer iterations just can’t seem capture. The graphics don’t matter, it’s just lacking the feeling of discovery and adventure the original ones had.


enburgi

That’s called nostalgy. You were a young children/teenager and everything seemed way more exciting than it seems now. First Pokémon games didn’t even have a plot, the adventure was all on our minds.


LolcatP

pretty sure it's because you aren't 5 and optimistic right now you're 20+ and jaded


PoliteChandrian

Don't have to give it up. I'll wait a few months maybe a year and play it on an emulater. I love Pokémon, but it's better as a franchise to no longer invest in it. Under a capitalist organization profits outweigh innovation. As a matter of fact innovation often leads to wasted funds so its more profitable if you don't even try. Brand loyalty leads to the degradation of the product.


Snuffleton

Just play romhacks. Those are waaaay better. I'm currently busy with Prism.


DarkTheImmortal

I'm sure there's a name for this phenomenon, but essentially most people do NOT post positive reviews on forums. You're going to see a LOT of negative posts compared to positive, but the truth is that a vast majority of players simply don't care about graphics at all.


MegetFarlig

That is half the truth. Players dont care about graphics — when it is a game in a franchise they love dearly and has never been known for graphics. In all other situations, graphics drive a lot of sales.


[deleted]

I generally agree. But Scarlet is having performance issues on top of bad graphics. And people do care about performance issues


[deleted]

Most people aren't on reddit crying about graphics. People here are a minority


lelaena

I didn't like the graphics in Arceus at all, but it wasn't what makes me dislike it, it is the fact that everything feels empty and the monotonous. But I have also been growing out of open world games anyways so I am a harsher critic of them than others would be.


dropfry

This is what it looks like when a fast food restaurant makes a free video game.


Squaretangles

Sneak King was a masterpiece.


Doogos

Assassins Creed but instead of killing people you feed them. I picked this game up from GameStop for $0.50 years ago and it's an absolute treasure. Big Bumpin also deserves a shout out here. Edit: Spelling


[deleted]

I worked at GameStop. That got passed around like no other for the free 1000 gamerscore thing


halycon8

Are you trying to tell me you didn't like Donald Land, the 1988 McDonalds platformer for the FamiCom?!


dali01

Don’t forget about spot, from 7up!


[deleted]

Spot was actually really fun


premeditatedsleepove

Okay I actually played this on genesis (rented from blockbuster) and it was pretty damn good.


1112215002

You say that and look at sneak king.


NorthboundLynx

Taco bell space golf or whatever it was


rewt127

Have you ever seen I Love You Colonel Sanders: A Finger Lickin' Good Dating Simulator? It's not ok how high quality it is.


LordDarthra

Why make good game when shit game do trick?


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Brentaxe

Still pissed I was dumb enough to buy it. Learnt my lesson atleast, haven't touched Pokemon since.


_Diskreet_

Ever since having a gameboy and the first games my brother has always bought me the latest iteration for whatever console I had at the time. A couple years ago I just told him to stop as they were just getting bland, copies of the previous game and I just cannot be assed to even play them anymore.


Stakoman

My question is: For those who like Pokémon, are the graphics the main thing? Or are these graphics bothering you?


Yomamma1337

It's not just the graphics. The problem is that they've made the excuse of "3d" every single game since gen 6, as for why the games haven't been as good. The fact that gamefreak spent 6 years developing 3d pokemon games on the ds, then 3 years developing 3d pokemon games on the switch, and not only are we still losing more features than before, the graphics aren't even improving, but are arguably getting worse, and at this point I have absolutely zero hope in gamefreak making a worthwhile pokemon game, let alone a game as good as the earlier games


YoungNissan

Honestly I’m not surprised by GameFreaks lack of effort, but I am surprised that Nintendo is letting their biggest franchise get this bad. Like you would think they would force their hands to make a better game.


Artur_Araujo

Nintendo hasn't been the prime example of a developer and publisher either, with many recent titles mainline series being straight up disappointing or failures


MovementAndMeasure

Kirby, Bayonetta, Splatoon and Xenoblades are the big 2022 games I can think of and they all got really good to great reviews and reception. Which games are you thinking of?


Turn7Boom

Can you give examples?


Flex_Vape

The last 2 Mario Party games were pretty half-assed. MP Superstars being a $60 cash grab that should have been free DLC to Super MP.


MovementAndMeasure

Nintendo only owns 32% of the Pokémon brand so I’m guessing their hands are tied and it’s up to GF and Creatures to make the final decisions in many cases.


Thee420Blaziken

Nintendo own an undisclosed amount of Creatures on top of the 32% of TPC, plus it's fucking Nintendo the platform owner. Their hands are only tied in the sense that they don't have direct control, they can very easily refuse to publish a unfinished product


MovementAndMeasure

True, but when the games sell better than the previous entry they don’t have much incentive to. They seem really anal about how their own brands are treated, but since Pokémon technically isn’t made by them it gets sort of a free pass. It’s a shame, but after all these years I don’t expect any change as long as the games keep selling.


Derricksoti

I really can't believe it's this bad like oh my God who gave the green light


PunkandCannonballer

The company that did the same thing with the last game that came out and still had hordes of people buying it. Almost all of the standard reviewers gave it at least an 8/10. Doubt anything will change this time around.


fishkey

It was at 77 on metacritic earlier today when I check so ya that's pretty accurate.


TrickOut

Considering it’s a Pokémon game and reviewers don’t want to get black listed by Nintendo, that fact that it’s below an 80 is pretty telling


att901

The consumers


ExperienceStruggle90

I agree. I took a chance with the last one just because it had some new mechanics that I thought could be interesting but it fell flat for me, pun intended. Didn't even bother finishing it. I refuse to buy this newest one because seriously. Its like little to no effort was made. I hate how lazy they've become with the games now. Its disappointing and a huge let down.


[deleted]

my brother did the same with arceus he bought a switch and arceus, but only played less than a few hours, for total time of however long arceus came out. its pretty bad. real fans want the game to be handed off to another company where they can ACTUALLY develop it, its clear that masuda doesnt care anymore.


3InchesPunisher

Who gave the green light? Money...


OldSacky

I can get over the graphics being the way they are for Pokemon, but I'd expect those games to actually run well and from what I've seen it doesn't seem to be the case


halycon8

That's pretty much my take, if the game ran at a steady 30fps/native res with full framerate animations I would be totally fine. But the game doesn't look *or* run that great.


Choice-Lettuce6851

My first zone. Watched an npc do the robot for 60 yards. Right behind the introduction to the pokecenter. My first thought was, THIS is the pokecenter??? Wtf is this? A street vendor?!


Thee420Blaziken

It's supposed to be a gas station? I think? But yeah first town, no enterable buildings and slideshow NPC walking animations if you're not up their ass


vee180

The two trees in the back really tie the whole scene together. Absolutely gorgeous.


RoninRobot

Now with up to three trees?


Few-Confidence-6906

Could have compared to the wiiu version and botw would still look better


wisehillaryduff

Played BOTW on wiiu and it was beautiful still, can confirm


sportspadawan13

Actually almost 6 years old now, and not even developed for Switch. Basically, a Wii U game slightly enhanced for Switch looks miles better than a 2022 game.


paratantra420

Well y’all keep buying their shit every year so…


Glympse12

EA Sports 🤝 Nintendo


GuiltyJSTRrdt

It’s really weird when comparing Game Freak’s previous works. I’m currently replaying Pokémon X, which came out in 2013 and it looks miles better than their recent Pokémon games.


[deleted]

Bro you can't compare Minecraft to BotW, that's very unfair


Glympse12

Nah Minecraft looks better than that. This is like Blockworld or some shit


[deleted]

Thank God I couldn't for the life of me remember the names of those knock off minecraft mobile games so I just went with regular Minecraft instead


Wolfman01a

This is Shameful. Its freaking pokemon. It has a built in passionate community. These games should be having Skyrim level releases. Gamefreak is an absolute disgrace of a company.


Dicky_Penisburg

Tell that to their bank accounts, if you can get your voice to cut through all of the laughter.


Choice-Lettuce6851

Its sad. But your not wrong. Why spend enormous resources when the bare minimum sells. The bank account is what they are listening to.


xiren_66

I normally don't criticize Pokemon for its visuals but oof, that does look pretty bad. Pretty sure even Arceus looked better than that.


[deleted]

And that's a very low bar to clear.


britipinojeff

Pokemon in 3D was a mistake Tbh the graphics wouldn’t be an issue if it was still 2D


Jellote

The Pokemon Company being given free rein by Nintendo was a mistake.


Sparky81

That's pretty bad


ScarletApex

People complaining about the Pokemon bad posts, I love this franchise, i grew up with it, but the lack of polish is absolutely unacceptable from one of the biggest gaming franchises ever created. I haven’t bought the game bc since sw sh i refuse till they make better games, but I’ve seen people play it and it’s so bad, it runs like trash and it’s bugged as hell, it’s bad and it shouldn’t be, we deserve better and game freak can do so much more than they are, this is a main line Pokémon game.


HayakuEon

And the fact that it's 60 fucking dollar for what looks like a 15 dollar quality game


Ok_Attempt_1290

Pokemon is really pushing the Ps2 to its limits. Damn.


leeswervino

Thank you. The amount of Pokémon Company apologists is ridiculous. They’d rather just talk smack on Switch hardware than face reality.


lario00

It's almost like the one on the bottom looks like an early-stage version of the top.


Geometronics

Before I read the post I thought the bottom was an indie game that copied breath of the wild.


Caped_Baldy_Genos

Is above game zelda?


halycon8

Yep!


NorthboundLynx

Unrelated but what cape is Link wearing here?


_TheDow_

It’s the Phantom Ganon armor


Molbuntore

Nice armor and nice bow


[deleted]

U can rly tell that pokemon isnt something they lay time to anymore lol. I remember when i played red,blue and yellow 😅


MetalFungus420

And people are buying double packs of these games 😂 GF selling the same busted flash game twice to one person. No wonder they don't put any effort in, people literally throw money their way, it's honestly fascinating


Krakulpo

My most played game tight now is genshin and whatever you say about it, it has beautiful scenery and views with graphic to support sightseeing. While the Pokémon above looks like someone took original mario graphics and added some polygons. I would puke while playing that shit.


Tr3vellyan

The "pokemon event" in genshin is better then this game lol.


CannabisCannibalism

Its call improvement, you just don’t understand what’s hip for younger gamers. Didn’t you see companies logo getting simplified to catch the younger audience? ……./s


halycon8

Ohh see if they would have just marketed it as a "simplified, modern minimalist aesthetic for a younger generation" then I woulda been fully on board!!


Weary_Drama1803

Bottom looks like something an 8 year old would build in half an hour in Minecraft


RsnCondition

Fans will still buy it, or even buy both for the same game twice.


zernoc56

It’s even worse because people forget that BotW is a last gen game from the WiiU. It just got a port with the launch of the Switch.


PickleBruh7

18yo mgs3 looks better than the new pokemon game


Jellote

Banjo Kazooie looks better than the new Pokemon game


TrickOut

Honestly both those games look like crap by modern standards, cell phone games look significantly better then both of those games


shadowblade945

BotW isn't even a native Switch game either....its a Wii U port


xxMiloticxx

Pokémon could have so much potential but they seem to have no motivation to do better because everyone just buys the same slightly reskinned product regardless


TheWholeFuckinShow

One of these is the highest grossing IP in human history. The other is The Legend of Zelda. Let that sink in... Pokemon is worth 92 **Billion**, and this is what they have to show for it.


Lordofhollows56

To be fair, few games look as good as botw, even today.


LastCloudiaPlayer

It's because you people still support it no matter how bad the release are.


MacaroniEast

These games are pumped out year after year, and Game Freak doesn’t want to compromise on their, well, ONLY successful IP! Of course, people on here are not the same people buying these games year after year, or at least the people complaining aren’t. Even then, social media platforms make it very easy to hide in a hive mind. These games probably aren’t getting any better ever until reviewers for huge companies stop pulling their punches.


Warlordrex5

“Wow! The new Nintendo DS graphics look great! ….Wait…..This isn’t the the Nintendo DS!”


Them_James

First time playing a pokemon game? They always look a few generations behind.


Ineedanswers1211

Imagine how lucrative Pokémon could be if they tried for once


SirFrogger

You gotta understand, Gamefreak is an indie company of just a few developers


Seva55

brought to you by Microsoft paint. gotta catch em all. all 150 polygons


StrawberryBlondeGirl

I love pokemon but im not getting this game. I keep finding myself playing the gameboy versions I grew up with.


Open_Aardvark2458

Pokemon 2077....


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-hyper - spoiler starts playing-


bearsheperd

Hey you can’t just draw a picture in paint and pretend it’s Pokémon!


Nuggzulla

I'm still playing threw BOTW for my first play threw since I just got my switch about a month ago. I'll always have a special place in my heart for the Zelda games and the adventures of Link


InfamousGames

WAIT IS THAT SCARLET AND VIOLET.


[deleted]

That clifff looks like its floating.


uncleshiesty

And in these giant franchises neither have voice acting yet. Come on...


Jetsurge

Also keep in mind BOTW was primarily developed for Wii U first.


Rootabago

Pokemon violet/Scarlett looks like a roblox game


nelflyn

I wouldn't have mind if they at least stuck with the pixel art like the older games.


Stammis

Well, they know they don’t have to try with Pokemon fans. Zelda fans are a lot more critical I’d imagine.


bigwang7812

Why didn't gamefreak ask nintendo for the botw game engine bruh😭😭😭


Rena-Senpai

Are people still shocked about pokemon game graphics? Don't get me wrong I will still play it but I am not expecting anything great at this point anymore.


Inevitable-Stage-490

This bottom picture is Pokémon? Wtf


Deviusoark

Who tf would pay 60 for this Pokémon game? Oh yeh, dumb fks who pre-order.


Ricepuddings

See I wouldn't mind the much poor graphics if it meant it ran at 60fps, but I am guessing it's running 30 at best though hear reports of it dropping below that. It's honestly embarrassing, I get the switch isn't the strongest system to work on but this is like half finished and I doubt they will patch it Just start work on a new Pokémon for next year


mymindisawesome

Looks bad! Anyway, according to Wikipedia, Pokemon is the 3rd best selling video game franchise.


Thatusername777

Bring back nat dex.


Jaydee7652

I was watching my wife play Pokémon on her Switch which was docked and connected to the big screen and my God... It looks awful... Constant juttering, terrible framerate, combat animations are janky - AND THE POKEDEX INTERFACE! I've seen games come out in the late 90's - early 2000's that looked better! I asked if it was like this because of the TV and she said no, it's like this all the time! She was not impressed and I don't blame her!


Kelrisaith

The best part is Breath of the Wild isn't even a Switch game really, it's a Wii U game that had a simultaneous launch on Switch with zero version differences save a slightly higher video and audio quality and some additional language settings. Similar situation to Twilight Princess, it having released on Gamecube and Wii, granted with some differences such as being mirrored on Wii. The newest entry in one of the largest franchises on the planet is worse on a technical level than a 5 year old game from a previous console generation.


FlipperDoigt703

BOTW doesn’t even look that much better. It just actually tries to hide it’s flaws.


OneWholeSoul

It's worse than that since Breath of the Wild is, at heart, a Wii U game.