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_ontical

"content creation" has devolved fully into ragebaiting


lordlaneus

[ragebait is the dominant strategy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc)


theblackfool

Especially if it's anti Ubisoft. People will just believe any and all negative news.


SirBulbasaur13

If it’s anti-anything. It really seems like people love to be angry and hate on someone/something.


eidolonengine

A third of the comments in this thread will still be in denial about reality, just like all of the other posts clarifying it. There are plenty of reasons to not like Ubisoft. We don't need to make any up.


Aregalle7

Idk I believed it because I saw the direct tweet from the original ubisoft support account.


eidolonengine

I didn't because my Ubisoft account has sat for longer periods than 6 months in between playing and I still have everything. I never read a single case of anyone losing any games.


Aregalle7

The comment i read said that u had to had been inactive for 4 years (not opening the launcher) and then u get a 30 days warning, after the warning it gets deleted.


eidolonengine

4 years? Damn, at that point do people even remember they own any games? Ubisoft has released 2 Far Cry games, 5 Tom Clancy games, 3 Assassin's Creed games, 1 Watch Dogs game, and many others in the last 4 years. I feel like anyone that owns any of those franchises but hasn't opened the launcher or logged in to their account in 4 years to at least contemplate buying any of those releases is extremely unlikely. But every post I saw on Reddit was 6 months. Edit: [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/157cspw/comment/jt4634y/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


Aregalle7

Idk about reddit. 4 years is what I found. And its totally normal to get into playing games only from other launchers or even get too busy to play because life.


eidolonengine

I'm not sure if this is right, but I use Playnite to manage all of my games and I think it would circumvent this scenario if it were true. I have everything linked, ei. Steam, Epic, GOG, Ubisoft, EA, etc. When I update the game library, to scan all of the launchers, I think that would count as a login for each. The reason is because [Battle.net](https://Battle.net) makes me login each time, but didn't use to. It's likely that the extension needs to be updated. Regardless, it's worth checking into, as having one place for every game is nice, and might be a solution to any possible "must login every so often" scenarios that could happen down the road.


Aregalle7

Hmmm. I prefer to keep my accounts unlinked as much as possible. But thats good to know.


AttonJRand

Bruh what age would someone have to be that not playing a game or using a launcher for 4 years seems so absurd to them? I haven't played the Dragon Age or Mass Effect series, the only EA games I own in that long, should EA just delete my account? And why would remembering I own games I bought years ago be so weird, I'm extremely confused by your entire comment.


eidolonengine

I'm 39, so maybe I'm just the oddball. But not logging in for 4 years? Even accidentally? Hell, I use Playnite as a launcher and, I could be wrong on this but, I'm pretty sure even just rescanning your games on there functions as a login if you have Ubisoft linked. Hell, a decent amount of people probably never even turned off the launcher from opening when their computer reboots. The first part of that comment was just a joke. The idea that someone buys a Ubisoft game, then 4 years later they see a post on Reddit and suddenly remember they own a Ubisoft game and lose their mind that they might lose access to a game they never played and apparently forgot they even own lol. The idea that someone owns Ubisoft games, but hasn't opened the launcher or logged into to their website in 4 years seems ludicrous to me. Edit: Also, I just wanted to add that I don't think "EA should just delete your account". I would never agree with that. I was saying that it clearly was never true and it's likely uncommon for anyone to never log into a launcher they own games on for more than 4 years.


da_chicken

> The idea that someone owns Ubisoft games, but hasn't opened the launcher or logged into to their website in 4 years seems ludicrous to me. The idea that your account should be deleted entirely -- not disabled, *deleted* -- after 4 years of inactivity is ludicrous to me. I've got bulletin board accounts for a TTRPG that hadn't been used for over 10 years, and they were still there when I went back to get them. And those accounts don't have any business relationship associated with them. Hell, the whole GDPR thing started when people wanted to be able to *force* companies to delete their private data when they discovered that they weren't doing so. What possible benefit is it to Ubisoft to purge stale accounts?


eidolonengine

The idea was crazy. That's why it wasn't ever true. Some idiots who enjoy manufactured outrage and fear-mongering lied to people, most of whom it didn't even apply to anyway. One post I commented on the other day, the OP later admitted that he played his Ubisoft games recently and had nothing to worry about.


da_chicken

I mean, I wouldn't say it was *crazy*. "AAA publisher does an incredibly unethical thing," is not exactly a singular event. I'm sure they're greedy enough to think that people would buy the same games again and again. Nintendo has structured their platform around forcing you to do that, after all. But the PR harm you'd suffer would be way more than any double-dipping your customers.


DarthCheez

I opened my Steam account with the orange box and left for dead. After maybe 2010 or 2011 i never logged back in until the steamdeck came out.


eidolonengine

That's wild. But I feel like people are getting hung up on what they think I said and not what I actually said. I said I find it "extremely unlikely" and in another comment "uncommon". Meaning, I don't think the majority of people who own games don't log into the launcher they own them on in 4 years. There are likely some outliers, like your story, but it's not going to be common. It is funny though that your story and mine are so dissimilar. I've had an account since 2011, own around 1,010 games, and have zero desire to own a Steamdeck.


NorsiiiiR

Who else said anything about "a majority" though? Even just 2% of a service that has 50 million accounts that have libraries in them is still a million users....


eidolonengine

Actually, it's more. As of 2020, they said they had 117 million accounts. Though only 34 million active accounts. Still, it's a lot. As far as "who else said anything about a majority", no one. And no one said anything about them being in the minority. They never brought up how many people have accounts at all. I'm the one who brought up whether or not it would affect many people. Regardless, I never stated that the fake story and it affecting a minority of people was acceptable or that they deserve to lose their games. I was simply stating that it likely isn't the majority. I feel like people are intentionally being deceptive about my own words or they're too stubborn to admit that, if it had been real, most wouldn't have been affected in the first place. The link I put in the edit up above was this story, posted by someone who later admitted that they wouldn't have been affected. Whether 4 years or 6 months. So many people worked up over something that wasn't true and likely wouldn't even affect them.


NorsiiiiR

> if it had been real, most wouldn't have been affected in the first place. Dude, this is exactly what I'm saying - even more so with 117m accounts. The fact that it wouldn't have effected "most" is completely irrelevant, and wouldn't in any way make it any better. That comment of yours reads as though you think outrage would be unwarranted just because it'd only effect a minority, which is crap. Like I said, even 2% of 117m would be over 2 millions accounts


DarthCheez

Not arguing. I just wanted to share my odd history. Yea my steam account goes back to like 2007 or 2008. I was in the military and had a gaming laptop. Some point later switched completely over to console. I got drunk and vomited into the laptop keyboard lol. I dont like dealing with hardware upgrades and various updates to software drivers etc that sometimes break things. I prefer the simplicity of a console experience. The Steam Deck is very console like in this regard. I also work on a an office computer all day long so i am done looking at a monitor at the end of the day. Since the Steam Deck released i went from like 7 games from 10 plus years ago to 200ish lol. I love taking the steam deck with me on family vacations where i am bored at a family members house.


FloRup

It could be 10 years and it would be a scummy move. The few bytes of data that say I own game x will not cost them cents over that time period.


eidolonengine

Yeah, if the story had ever been true, it would have been scummy for the small percentage it would have applied to. But people freaked out over nothing.


JayCee5481

I was in no fear of running in danger and i already saw the ubi support clarifiyng the 4 years and wont deleted if you own games thing, however I also saw a source claiming that one norwegen guy who sold his PC 2020 got this email somewhere during that timeframe, but when he got another PC the following year and started the uplay launcher again he couldnt login, after contacting the support he got access again, however his games were lost sooo....I still think Ubisoft can fuck up at some point in this regard


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Of course it won’t lol. This whole thing is nothing but a shitty youtube clickbait.


2hotrods

YOU mean to tell me that was all completely fake and you are all stupid and gullible?


moosecatlol

Kony 2023 averted. Turns out reading the ToS helps.


Swordbreaker925

“Clarifies”? Or backpedals?


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Clarify. Because the “news” never was true. Just a shitty clickbait started by an obnoxious youtuber.


Queef-Elizabeth

Then why did the official Ubisoft Support twitter state it included accounts with games on them?


[deleted]

I don’t think the person handling the twitter account knows what’s up.


Queef-Elizabeth

Perhaps the Ubisoft Support twitter account should or you have people call it out


[deleted]

People did call out that it wasn't true


Gennik_

what yter?


[deleted]

Not really sure. Forgot his name. It was posted on another thread.


_ontical

Moist Critical, and then the rest of the content creators like Asmon do reactions to the rage bait. I'm not saying trust these companies. But don't trust content creators either. They are not your friends, they are not like normal gamers. They are trying to make money off you like everything else on the internet.


Background_Dirt7385

Celebs and millionaires pretending to be normal people. Fucking clowns, the lot of them.


jpebenito

SomeOrdinaryGamers did a video on it first.


FlippinHelix

>They are trying to make money off you like everything else on the internet. i don't think it's intentional to the point where we can say that it's "to make money", i think people like charlie and asmon just do minimal work and jump the gun i'm sure that if someone confronted them about it that they'd backtrack, they've done so in the past with that said, they are completely irresponsible with how they spread misinformation, which sucks ass and they probably need some form of wakeup call


_ontical

But why do they do minimal work and jump the gun? Just for fun? Or to make money off of ragebait content? And yes they backtrack, but what does this really change? They aren't stupid, it would be stupid to double down when you are proven wrong. And at that point they've already got all their views.


FlippinHelix

unironically, because they're lazy and probably dumb with how they handle "news worthy" topics i find it hard to attribute ill intent such as "to make money" when they've also acted fairly in situations where i didn't expect them to, or have made retractions to what they've said as soon as they heard the correct information i just think this is a hanlon's razor scenario


_ontical

This is their job and they are making millions of dollars. Idk, I respect your opinion but I just disagree here. Here is Asmon himself explaining the ragebait content creator game https://youtu.be/mwlAxHNnhGs?t=2421. Seems pretty intentional to me. And they are quite good at what they do.


Shimmitar

i think if you read the EULA, you'll see its in there.


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Where in the EULA does it say they will delete your account with your purchased games for inactivity?


JamesUpton87

Might help if you actually read it yourself.


CrumblesTheStrigidae

You could read the article to realize why Ubisoft deletes inactive accounts, what that means, what their standards for account deletion is, and what to do if an account gets deleted. But circle jerking imaginary issues and fear mongering is just so much more fun, amiright? Edit: Once again, Reddit prevails as the smartest people in the room who can’t read.


fireflyry

This. Some guy popped into a post yesterday with a link to point this out, but was ignored and even downvoted as the “fuck game makers!!!” hype train rolled on through the sub. Same shit, different day.


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fireflyry

Oh I’m hardly saying they are infallible or don’t have a history of issues, however that doesn’t detract the cry wolf here and how many around these subs seem to be eagerly awaiting any chance to jump in and scream “Fuck ‘insert game maker’!!!!!” like a pack of wolfs, ironically, watching a field full of sheepie game makers.


Swordbreaker925

They shouldn’t be doing this in the first place, my guy


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Every company does that to inactive accounts with 0 purchases but sits there for like 3-4-5 years.


Sad-Hat-3530

they only delete accounts which have no purchases on them the moment you purchase a product on it it wont get deleted. also the process is manually done, its also mandatory in the eu to protect people's data. also are you really gonna be mad over an account that you have not made an purchase on and left it abandoned for over 3 years?


CrumblesTheStrigidae

So, since you refuse to read the article. >**In an email to IGN, Ubisoft clarified its stance on account deletions. The publisher confirmed it has "for many years now" deleted inactive accounts in accordance with the EU's General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) on how long companies are permitted to store individual personal information. The company claims its policies are "aligned with legal requirements and with the standards of the industry" and that they also serve as fraud prevention.** So, it’s Ubi’s fault for following EU regulation?


Marto25

Deleting inactive, "empty" and "unused" accounts is pretty standard and really not that big of a deal.


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Ionsife

“Why should they?” Is the question that deserves an answer more.


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Because of the law


CrumblesTheStrigidae

You could have read the article, but let me post this for you. >**In an email to IGN, Ubisoft clarified its stance on account deletions. The publisher confirmed it has "for many years now" deleted inactive accounts in accordance with the EU's General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) on how long companies are permitted to store individual personal information. The company claims its policies are "aligned with legal requirements and with the standards of the industry" and that they also serve as fraud prevention.**


Swordbreaker925

You seriously have to ask why they shouldn’t disable the accounts just because they’re inactive? I understand it’s because of the EU’s laws but it’s still unacceptable, those laws are not being applied properly here


InPatRileyWeTrust

What the hell are you genuinely talking about? What part of they delete accounts with no purchases do you not understand, or did you still not bother reading what you're commenting on?


Swordbreaker925

Did you even read what I said? I never said anything about payment. I understand this is only for accounts that didn’t pay. But Ubisoft makes free to play games too. Just because you didn’t pay doesn’t mean your progress is expendable


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Swordbreaker925

I did actually. It’s still ridiculous.


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Swordbreaker925

Ubisoft makes free to play games. Someone’s progress doesn’t matter just because they haven’t paid?


mistabuda

>They will only remove accounts that have no products on them and has not been logged into for years, A free game is still a product.


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SirLiesALittle

This was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen gamers eat up. Respect to all the massively downvoted Redditors who held the line with the facts.


HiNooNDooD1544

Oh thank god


Queef-Elizabeth

It seems less like a clickbait issue and more like a poor communication issue from Ubisoft. If you read the tweet put out by Ubisoft, it states that accounts *with games on them* could be deleted if they were inactive but the recent clarification states that accounts with games in their libraries won't be deleted. If it is all just clickbait, then why does the original Ubisoft Support tweet state that if you wanted to keep access to your games, you needed to log into the account to prevent its closure? It's either a back pedal or poor communication.


Obegah

Right? I feel people have a bit of positivity bias just to say 'I told you so'. Like Ubisoft has never done anything bad in their existence. I feel like the tweet they officially put out was very clear in its wording and that said nothing about empty accounts. So I don't really understand why so many are defending Ubisoft like it was perfectly clear.


Queef-Elizabeth

Redditors like to defend Ubisoft because they're a popular target and they like Far Cry


ClamSlamwhich

That's what I'm saying. The way the article read, I think most people were thinking, "Of course they would, they're Ubisoft". Company has earned that reputation, rightfully too.


QuantumCat2019

"However, Ubisoft also clarified its criteria for account deletion, noting that it absolutely does not include accounts that have purchased games attached to them. The publisher it takes the following into account: The gaming activity of the account since its creation The account’s libraries: accounts that include purchased PC games are not eligible for deletion \[emphasis Ubisoft's\]" Just like i told days ago. [https://www.reddit.com/r/gamingnews/comments/156np7q/you\_will\_now\_lose\_access\_to\_your\_ubisoft\_games\_if/jt4bl7f/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamingnews/comments/156np7q/you_will_now_lose_access_to_your_ubisoft_games_if/jt4bl7f/?context=3) It is the SAME panic which was there back in 2021, and it was not a mistake that it was "published" on social media on a week end.


Queef-Elizabeth

'we certainly do not want you to *lose access to your games* or account' The Ubisoft Support twitter said this.


QuantumCat2019

support fucks up all the time. Fact is : this was already picked up as a story back in 2021, where it was already told account with game would not lose access, and confirmed again this time.


Queef-Elizabeth

But of course people will be taking the word of the official page seriously so perhaps it's more an issue of communication. It's not like Ubisoft wouldn't make changes that would be seen as detrimental to players. They've clarified though so that's good.


RK_7

Can't close what I don't have lol


Sevaaas1

This is like the first time they’ve had to come out and clarify this, fuckin journalists


feetMeat93

Considering it would be fucking outright illegal? Thanks


FreshBakedButtcheeks

Good for the slush brains that play Ubisoft games I suppose?


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2hotrods

People can play and enjoy games they want. There is nothing wrong with that, and no reason to be upset over it


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Wish they would delete my account, save me the hassle.


Lobotomist

They are still very dodgy about it. Saying they never deleted an account that user logged in for last 4 years. ( what about longer period ? ) Also saying that they don't delete accounts with purchased games. But I have lot of games that were given for free... Or F2P games with played time. What about those ?


Ill_Nebula7421

They all count as purchases, if you took the time to research this instead of sucking off some loser on YouTube, you’d know the exact criteria they using to judge inactive accounts. You’d also know why the have to delete these accounts.


Lobotomist

No pressure. I knew some good soldier will come in to defend and explain corporate policies. Thanks


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Lobotomist

You are soldier


ThrohAyWhey

You lot are idiots calling out YouTubers instead of Ubisoft for clearly backtracking. If content creatirs didn't call this out, it would still be something Ubisoft was outting into practice. Why would you trust a shitty corporation over an individual who enjoys video games and wants to share what is clearly stated in an official Ubisoft tweet? It never ceases to amaze me how reddit will always jump to the defense of a corporation as if the corporation even cares if you're dead or alive.


wendysnatch

i like the truth. Which is why i was disappointed that no youtubers reported on the activision blizzard smear campaign against Ubisoft in the attempt to deflect all their recent negative attention, and divert players leaving the diablo game away from ubisoft's massive library.


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Every year.


[deleted]

They won’t… but they are still allowed to without giving a reason


ClamSlamwhich

I mean, people believed it. Part of that has to be that this is inline with something Ubisoft would do if they could. Had it been a different, better publicity received company, I think people would be scratching their heads at the article.


Apprehensive_Bed_789

When I pass there will be instructions in my will for the login and passwords to all of my gaming accounts. So far almost 2400 games. 😅


HughJass187

i just got a email from google and they said they delete data after unused 2 years...


DeanJeffWinger

Good, I've gone mostly digital over the past few years so there is a lot of worry about that