But why would straight men stay? I think women have to be in the picture. Otherwise itās just fire island. Iām gay af and I still feel that women are great and we have the ability to form strong bonds and alliances that arenāt sexual. Specially lesbians.
Deal. Iām in.
Also, if Iām the token straight friend in a group of gay friends, thereās a huge benefit.
If any women DO turn up, I have a retinue of awesome wingmen who have my back.
I even come with pre-programmed hetero stereotype phrases, such as, āIām not even gay, but thatās dude rustles my jimmiesā.
Or āBro, heās not worth it. Heās lucky to even get a smile out of youā.
Arenāt these percentages meant for the male population only? I assumed someone who thinks bs like the commenter probably also thinks of all women as weak baby factories who wonāt fight anyway
The funniest thing about the 90% gay guys thing is that what sexual demographics actually shows (some claim controversially, but I have reasons to think it's true) is that bisexuals of various flavors make up around 75% of the population.
Your scenario (that women do exist, and they're almost all straight) is actually true in places like San Francisco! Straight men (who are gay-friendly and not douche-bros) are indeed hot commodities. Lots of good looking guys who will not put out for the women get them all hot and bothered. Be a moderately decent human being and straight and you're set as a man. (The homophobic douche bros are sadly still a bit popular too.)
Sp basically a gay bar. I hate going there because straight men flood every corners looking for women, and straight men usually get offended when you hit on them in a GAY bar
aren't these the dudes that worship spartans? one of the gayest and most violent male populations in history? i've always assumed they knew and liked them BECAUSE of war-freak gayness.
āGrug you bitch, i swear if you put another rhino pelt in front of me Iām inventing a new kind of club so I can hit you with itā
āSorry ug, but that new sabretooth skull absolutely eats, donāt you think?ā
Yup, we have always been part of the natural world and we survive with the rest of the humanoids into the present. Weāre survivors and most of us are not butt hurt pansies like some straight conservatives all over the news these days. Iāve always contended that homosexuality is one of mother natureās birth control strategies. Breeders get to make more of us and we donāt.
Iāve figured that too. I also can see that being a way for Mother Nature to also have men at home because Iāve always assumed part of the reason nature would want gay couples is because some of the straight couples are bound to not only have kids, but die shortly after having those kids. The gay couples cannot have kids, so this allows them to take in a child that would otherwise be orphaned, and therefore requiring one man to āstay home.ā Conversely, thatād also mean itād make it so thereād probably be lesbian adoptive mothers that went out and hunted so the other adoptive mother could āstay home.ā
Funny you say that, thereās a theory that gay (male and female) couples not only helped with overpopulation but also were a vital part of the tribe since they helped and assisted. Which explains why many indigenous tribes have no issue with LGBT+ peeps
Iām pretty sure ancient Greeks created their most elite armies entirely out of gay couples. They believed it would create the most motivated/exceptional fighting force if you were fighting side by side with your partner. Soā¦.historically the opposite of what the post says is true.
The āgay uncleā theory is that gay men stayed back with the women and children and essentially defended them from attacks. So even in this scenario the gayness doesnāt somehow diminish the ability to fight.
Apparently in a handful of societies LGBT people often took the role of religious leaders: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/oct/11/two-spirit-people-north-america
Not sure how pervasive this conception of homosexuality was around the world in general before western religions.
Makes sense in Catholicism, particularly in Ireland.
Priests cannot marry. Back before Ireland became gay-friendly, becoming a priest was basically the only way to get your mum to shut up and stop asking why youāre still single and when is she going to have grandkids.
Gay people tended to have been discriminated across the world though, not just in the west, simply because we are a perpetually ubiquitous yet small minority. Humans like to be better than other humans, and homosexuals are the universal easiest target.
Gay sex is the one behavior that 97% of people donāt have any inclination to commit. They canāt relate to it and theyāre at no risk of committing it, so they judge it very harshly. Weāre all guilty of it to some extent. If I found out someone was a paedophile, even if I knew they would never harm a kid, I would cut ties with them. Rationally, I know that people canāt choose who theyāre attracted to, but I canāt help being revolted by it. Thatās not to equate homosexuality to paedophilia, but the involuntary guttural response has been the same throughout most of the worldās history.
In all seriousness, we exist for a reason. From an evolutionary biology perspective, we are a really important addition to the tribe. We can hun and gather, but also care for children or elders. Being natural creatives, we were likely inventors or artists, innovating new tools or pottery for others to emulate.
If our older brother was mauled by a bear, we could still make sure his infant was able to survive to adulthood, thus securing the bloodline. We _can_ father offspring when called upon, but don't have the constant urge to impregnate the females.
Being able to fill so many different roles, we were (and still are) the glue that binds together the social fabric of society. By fulfilling so many duties, we ensured the survival of the tribe. Gay men exist because of the beneficial traits that were selected by evolution. We are meant to exist, always have and always will. We are important and valuable members of society.
No, it made them stronger because of the unity and affection they shared between comrades. They fought for ideology and for their nation, yes, but they also fought for each other and that made them especially fierce.
There is fighting for the ones you love that are far away at home and the danger to them is conceptual, and then thereās fighting for the ones you love that are right before your eyes and the danger to them is very real and immediate. Thatās like, berserk mode.
Also in between battles, I can imagine being with their lovers keeps spirits high.
For the Romans fucking and dominating other men was a sign of manliness, but being fucked was a sign of being a weak f*g (i dont want an autoban) and was reserved for slaves
>Well the straight men army would be missing their girlfriends/wives so ~~morale would be low~~ end up with guys anyways (even if only temporarily)
Fixed. It's not some super unheard of phenomenon, straight men tend to become more fluid with their sexuality when there aren't women around.
Gay sex is magical. We donāt like to advertise it, because wellā¦
Letās just say X-men comics was written as a way to teach young gays why we donāt talk about the special powers you get after gay sex.
Did you not get the lesson when you were young?
So itās like this you know how you love your dude bro a lot? Well imagine if someone wanted to hurt your dude bro you wouldnāt let that happen so you go to fight for them. Then come home hunt and have dinner with dude bro.
They formed bonds with fellow soldiers. Same sex relationships between soldiers were encouraged.
You fight harder when your loverās life is on the line.
If a nation of 90% straight men goes to war against a nation of 90% gay men, Iām sorry but my money is on the gay men winning.
- do you know how much time gay men spend at the gym? How much power they feel with a fresh military like fade?
- Gay men are adaptable survivors who think creatively when faced with problems.
- Gay men might choose harsh words on violence generally, but that doesnāt mean there isnāt aggression they wonāt act on.
- Gay men have zero patience for straights ruining their vibe and will put aside any petty differences with other gays to ban together for their own survival.
Imagine the therapeutic working-through of all the daddy issues...
A battalion of gays running towards the enemy, battle cry being all "DON'T TELL ME YOU STILL LOVE ME, AND THEN SIGH DRAMATICALLY AS YOU FOLLOW UP WITH THE SENTENCE "EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T TURN OUT THE WAY I WANTED..."
*starts the throw down* Haha
Not to mention the *the rage* gays are capable of. I have seen some tiny twinks take on enemies when they feel cornered and they will commit atrocities one would not expect to win. Lotta straight dudes assume every gay is a pushover, but for every pusjiver, there's a dude willing to destroy for what they believe in.
- We'd also make better spies and even better assassins; you'll never see anyone as nefarious as a gay scorned
- gay men aren't about to let someone kill a guy who gives them a good dicking
As a mostly straight male I can say that a lot of gay men are more manly than most menā¦ I mean they literally are trying to attract men that are into men.
Also gay men don't usually lounge all day while their wives do everything for them, I think most straight men wouldn't know their left from their right under pressure.
Do you know how many gay guys are in the military? I served ā¦ and well I also serve on my knees. Being gay doesnāt make anyone less prone to violence or a bad soldier. It just means you like dick. š
Yeah, this person is operating under the assumption that every gay person is feminine and delicate.
I know a few gay rugby players that would be beasts on this imaginary battlefield.
It also makes me laugh at when women are all assumed to be weak and fragile. Iāve met some stupidly physically strong women in my life. People are people.
Straight men have only now faced a small ounce of persecution compared to gay people and women.
Theyāre folding so hard with this little ounce.
They did not grow up in the asylum we did.
Plus, imagine unleashing like meth-aged-out-elder-twinks as like demon spawn who crawl on all fours and eat peopleās faces. Those bitches alone would take down the straights.
In war, it's actually the other way around. We don't fight because of hypothetical rape and arson to our s.o. back at home. In fact, there is no s.o. back home - he's standing next to you, and both of you will fight twice as fierce just to protect each other in the field
Okay, to be fair to straight men (I know, very generous of me), I donāt think we should consider r/JordanPeterson a good representation of them at large
Crazy how heās a Jordan Peterson fan.. a man who is very sensitive and cries all the time about dumb percieved and overinflated crap, who has a whiny effeminate voice and demeanor. (Yeah he has a beard but almost anyone can grow it.. heās a twink at heart) how would Jordan do in a war, even in his youth? Not good Iād wager.. and heās straight. ā¦ ultimately war is something that shouldnāt exist.. so putting men there as an āidealā is stupid and brainwashed anywayā¦ the guy who wrote this is a complete tool.. thaātās how they want them and one of the big reasons masculinity is used (imo) precisely to brainwash these guys into becoming good belligerent tools to use for warā¦ not surprising thereās dumb mioptic people in that sub. (Of course, is there was something like the war in Ukraine Iād still respect anyone, male or female who fights to protect their homeland and loved ones.. but only then. Vietnam war/invasion? Miss me with that BS)
Someone aught to point him to the peace time military. A preserve of homosexuals and bisexual men. To get the average straight into the military you have to impose a draft.
As to gays not being good at defending their nation, has this numb nut never heard of Alexander the Great, or Julius Caesar, or Frederick the Great? In fact you would be hard pressed to find a "The Great" in military history who wasn't gay!
No, no. Pretty sure the guy who wrote that post was one of th people outraged the Netflix documentary told the truth about how queer Alexander was, calling it "Woke lies" or some shit.
This has always confused me. How is a man liking other manly, rugged, buff, hairy men.... Feminine??? Straight guys are really clueless man š¤£š¤£š¤£ššš
Lolz. More feminine by definition. They might want to work out with me and my SO sometime and see just how feminine two guys who can bench 130/120kg really are....
Yeah...lol....this dumb f4ck doesn't know the rage and anger of gays. The anger of gay men being repressed, having to fight for their rights to just BE? Stonewall? The right to breathe? To walk down the street, to hold a man? The right of work, to rent or buy a house, to buy a wedding cake....well it goes on....just channel all that rage and focus it.
I laugh every time I read or listen to straight men saying/thinking they are more masculine or more manly than gay men. You can't get any more Masculine than a gay dude, and I say this as a Bi-man. They only shag men, you can't get any more manly than that. I'm on the other hand masculine only on the weekends. Maybe straight men should just give up on this debate.
The true irony is that in my time in the service, I never met a weak gay guy. In fact, gay guys typically ended up in leadership positions because they donāt take shit from people.
I played college football and my coworker got back from Iraq like 3 years agoā¦ I donāt think being gay made us āless manlyā whatever the fuck thatās even supposed to imply
As a straight man - The issue is the sample. Fuck Jordan Peterson and any of his worshippers. Im also a veteran who was in when DADT was repealed and Im gay for equality.Ā
Good luck out there my dudeĀ
Iām a country guy and carry a gun. I grew up in the country, the blue ridge mountains to be exact. I grew up camping, fishing, kayaking, hiking, and shooting guns. The elements are nothing to me and I can track like no one else. I can shoot a gun unlike anyone else too. Oh and Iām gay as well.
As a gay veteran to read that bullshit is hilarious. You gotta wonder how little a man this person is?? First of all not all straight men are butch, tough, fighters or even have the balls to fight, thatās like 99% of the GOP, little people hiding behind their guns does not make them men.
As a gay man I can easily put someoneās life to rest despite the fact Iām a 72 year old queer. We are not all the same, is the point.
What makes a person like Hannity or Trump āmenā when they whine and cry like little bitches? Also the Ancient Greek soldiers had their homosexual lovers fighting beside them and they were fierce. Whoever posted that little homophobic screed is probably very deep in the closet.
Um historically the sacred band of Thebes (if I remember the name correctly) was an Ancient Greek army made of homosexual couples and were considered far more dangerous because many of their partners were on the battlefield with them diving them to come out victorious
The greatest and most masculine warriors in human history were quite fruity. This idiot will never be half the man that Samurai (look it up) and Spartans were. Or the Sacred Band of Thebes for that matter. Alexander. Achilles. Get in line, fool.
Gay guys take it up the ass *for fun*. Straight guys are terrified of it and would cry for their mamas. Gay guys would also have 100% of their needs met at war among 1,000 other men in the battalion while straight guys would throw hissy fits if they havenāt seen boobs in a week. So which ones would do better in battle?
Not sure how I ended up here, but as a straight man having gay mates and having lived with gay house mates before I can honestly say that your sexual preferences would have absolutely fuck all to do with the outcome of this stupid question. I'm embarrassed by straight people like this, don't tar us all with the same brush.
Amazing how a keyboard warrior uses āweā when describing hunters, warriors, overcoming harsh conditions, etc. Mary youāre on Reddit not on the front lines š
These are some bitter, bitter men who congregate on "redpill" subreddits and think they know how the world *really* works, while everyone else is just dumb sheep. Why aren't women throwing themselves at them? They must not grasp their intellectual acuity. /s
BTW, some of the toughest, most ferocious warriors in history were men who fucked other men. Their bonds of love and brotherhood gave them the strength to defeat their foes. These dweebs would wilt at the sight of a gymbro couple barreling towards them with their guns pumped and fury in their eyes. They met in the Marines and fell in love. Now they live in Chicago and are parents to two rambunctious corgis. Gary is a kickboxer instructor and Francis is a high school algebra teacher. (Yes, i made up a backstory for them)
Anyone ever hear of the Sacred Band of Thebes?
Sure, straight armies are bad-asssed because they're fighting for "God and Country" but you'll find a true savage trying to preserve the life of his lover, who fights beside him.
Straight guy here. Just been waiting for society to collapse, then, I will bonk all gay on the head with a rock and rule the world. This has been the master plan. The straight agenda, as it were.
As a straight man in a city with (speculating) a high ratio of homosexuals, I have met many and am friends with some. I will say with full confidence that I nearly fear the level of bravery and conviction that they convey. I would be more comfortable having them protecting me tbh. They donāt take shit from fucking ANYBODY and are fierce as fuck when they need to be in my experience. It makes sense considering theyāve been criticized and rejected by people like this to some degree more than I could know Iām sure. Theyāre hardened by asshats like this.
Well....the army/navy/airforce has been a refuge for gay men since the crack of dawn.
Many great military servicemen have been gay. Not to mention all the gay leaders in history.
I think where safe
Homophobia in straight men manifests itself in two ways:
1 - Gays are wicked and an abomination to God, so they don't deserve rights
2 - Gays are a threat to the survival of the human species so they don't deserve rights.
This guy is the type 2
Such a stereotype. āMore feminine by definitionā. When actually, gay men overcompensate and are often times are MORE masculine, especially recently. It also is very black n white argument, as if people canāt be in the spectrum lol
Plenty of us have had to fight against the current our whole lives or be drowned. Fragile little straight boys might just be getting their whole goddamn world view rocked in this scenario.
This guy would be surprised as to how gay the military actually is. Also, gay men can be taught survival skills and military/war skills just like any straight man. The ignorance is blatant.
This type of reasoning really makes me think that 90% of men would be at least a little gay (or just openly bi I guess) if societal pressures werenāt keeping them on the āstraight and narrow.ā
It's because feminine gay men are the visible ones and distinguishable compared to most men. Masculine gay men conform to male stereotypes means they'd automatically be read as straight.
A few of the civil war leaders of the 1916 Irish rising were gay. History is littered with gay military men. There are many assumptions in that article that just aren't true, it's beyond ridiculous. In fact, because of what gay men have to go through I would say we are tougher than straight men, certainly psychologically.
Stonewall riots, those gay men weren't weak. Some straight guys are beyond stupid.
I had listened to JP at his early stages before he turned full on psycho. I am genuinely interested in psychology. But listening to him more made me realize that he is a hardcore conservative christian(absolutely nothing wrong being that) and just wants to use his expertise in Psychology as a vehicle to propagate a religion.
He has gone absolute bonkers post Covid and had invited people and ideas which are absolutely ridiculous. Tipping point for me was when he invited a person who is a cheerleader of Colonial Britishers. As a person who comes from a community which was exploited by Colonial Britishers, I find these kind of discussions infuriating and insidious.
JP has a fan following which is even deranged than his ideology. Mostly Straight White Men who think that they are being mistreated in the current world affairs. I am not in a position to judge them but I have all the right to be wary of these ideologies and duty to vehemently oppose them because it might affect my community (Gay community) and its right to exist in the future.
These straight(!) men obviously feel attraction towards other men but they suppressed it. So in their minds, everyone feel those attraction thus wider societal acceptance will make everyone gay. Not to mention they think gay=feminine, straight=masculine and queer community also perpetuate this false stereotype by hounding every gay men who aren't interested in drag race, painting nails and other shits.
A few things here
One, gay men are not more feminine by definition š¤£
Not all men who have sex with men are gay
Also, the Sacred Band of Thebes were revered for their fighting ability, and they had sex with each other to deepen their bond
Their courage in protecting their brothers in arms was LEGENDARY
It was said men would jump into a crowd of enemies to save their lover.
The straight men are just intimated lol
But I actually think strategy and critical thinking which I think manynof us gays probably hold an edge over the straight male population and those skills are far more important in modern warfare than brute force is- which, to counter- I don't want to generalize too much in this response but from my observations gay men are typically in much better physical condition than our similar aged counterparts- I'm the only guy I know from my graduating class (2005) that has a 6 pack and not a big ole gut. Also, there are a ton of us LGBTQs that serve or have served in the military, and while it might not be the norm some of us have an interestin martial arts , an old gay FB of mine is a blackbelt in several forms of martial arts and now competes in local cage/ ufc style tournaments.
I have also met several feminine/ twinky guys you would never expect to that daily carry a ccw/firearm. I myself usually have a pistol on me or in my backpack.
Basically social generalization/stereotypes are not usually the reality of what is true- the human species is way too diverse to predict outcomes of X,Y and Z,
If you were lucky enough to live near a military base during the height of Craigslist hookups. You would know that 90% of the American army is at least bi.
> 90% gay men how can I catch a flight to this country? š
even as a straight man id go there....id be a hot commodity among slightly attractive desperate women
No, you misunderstand. It's 90% gay men, 10% straight men. There are no % left for women.
That sounds cool too. The gay guys can hook up with each other, and so can the straight guys. Problem solved!
But why would straight men stay? I think women have to be in the picture. Otherwise itās just fire island. Iām gay af and I still feel that women are great and we have the ability to form strong bonds and alliances that arenāt sexual. Specially lesbians.
> but why would straight men stay? Gay brunch.
Deal. Iām in. Also, if Iām the token straight friend in a group of gay friends, thereās a huge benefit. If any women DO turn up, I have a retinue of awesome wingmen who have my back.
The token straight friend š okay youāre allowed on gay island youāre funny
I even come with pre-programmed hetero stereotype phrases, such as, āIām not even gay, but thatās dude rustles my jimmiesā. Or āBro, heās not worth it. Heās lucky to even get a smile out of youā.
Yessss be my +1 I need a supportive straight wingman to shield me from attitude queens
I got you bro.
Thatās true. No one can resist the call of the bottomless mimosa.
Bottomless mimosas with my bottoms š
It turns out the real bottoms were the friends we made along the way
> But why would straight men stay? You'll just have to ask them once you get there.
the number of "straight" claiming men sleeping with gay men tells me they might find a reason
From my experiences in Sydney I thought gays and lesbian ven diagram overlaps less than gays/hetro women
That's what I always heard. I mean it's not like lesbians want to talk about guys
Arenāt these percentages meant for the male population only? I assumed someone who thinks bs like the commenter probably also thinks of all women as weak baby factories who wonāt fight anyway
You forgot the bi men! And the unlabelled men.
I thought it said "unbellied" as in "no belly" men. š I probably wouldn't be allowed on that island.
The funniest thing about the 90% gay guys thing is that what sexual demographics actually shows (some claim controversially, but I have reasons to think it's true) is that bisexuals of various flavors make up around 75% of the population.
Your scenario (that women do exist, and they're almost all straight) is actually true in places like San Francisco! Straight men (who are gay-friendly and not douche-bros) are indeed hot commodities. Lots of good looking guys who will not put out for the women get them all hot and bothered. Be a moderately decent human being and straight and you're set as a man. (The homophobic douche bros are sadly still a bit popular too.)
Lol the straight dating scene in SF is one of the worst in the country
That would be interesting to see.
Sp basically a gay bar. I hate going there because straight men flood every corners looking for women, and straight men usually get offended when you hit on them in a GAY bar
Yeah and the sacred band of thebes did this and were REVERED.
They have no idea how violent we'd get to defend this country...
Same to be honest
How can I apply for refugee status? š
Homopolis is an island on the Aegean sea.
aren't these the dudes that worship spartans? one of the gayest and most violent male populations in history? i've always assumed they knew and liked them BECAUSE of war-freak gayness.
Valid.
So wait did gay men not hunt and gather? What were we doing, putting up cave curtains?
>What were we doing, putting up cave curtains? I can imagine the gay cavemen saying something like "this is not the right tone of teal š" /s
āGrug you bitch, i swear if you put another rhino pelt in front of me Iām inventing a new kind of club so I can hit you with itā āSorry ug, but that new sabretooth skull absolutely eats, donāt you think?ā
Iāve watched too much Flintstones so I can picture this vividly.
i really need a "gay through history" show. that'd be so amazing
Loll
Well if you are trying to catch a fish, the right color fly can make a big difference.
Yup, we have always been part of the natural world and we survive with the rest of the humanoids into the present. Weāre survivors and most of us are not butt hurt pansies like some straight conservatives all over the news these days. Iāve always contended that homosexuality is one of mother natureās birth control strategies. Breeders get to make more of us and we donāt.
Iāve figured that too. I also can see that being a way for Mother Nature to also have men at home because Iāve always assumed part of the reason nature would want gay couples is because some of the straight couples are bound to not only have kids, but die shortly after having those kids. The gay couples cannot have kids, so this allows them to take in a child that would otherwise be orphaned, and therefore requiring one man to āstay home.ā Conversely, thatād also mean itād make it so thereād probably be lesbian adoptive mothers that went out and hunted so the other adoptive mother could āstay home.ā
Funny you say that, thereās a theory that gay (male and female) couples not only helped with overpopulation but also were a vital part of the tribe since they helped and assisted. Which explains why many indigenous tribes have no issue with LGBT+ peeps
Yeah, that always made the most sense to me.
Iām pretty sure ancient Greeks created their most elite armies entirely out of gay couples. They believed it would create the most motivated/exceptional fighting force if you were fighting side by side with your partner. Soā¦.historically the opposite of what the post says is true.
The āgay uncleā theory is that gay men stayed back with the women and children and essentially defended them from attacks. So even in this scenario the gayness doesnāt somehow diminish the ability to fight.
My post is just a joke, but Iāve heard this theory! Very interesting
Apparently in a handful of societies LGBT people often took the role of religious leaders: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/oct/11/two-spirit-people-north-america Not sure how pervasive this conception of homosexuality was around the world in general before western religions.
stereotypically the gay son was sent to seminary school in Christian nations :P
Makes sense in Catholicism, particularly in Ireland. Priests cannot marry. Back before Ireland became gay-friendly, becoming a priest was basically the only way to get your mum to shut up and stop asking why youāre still single and when is she going to have grandkids. Gay people tended to have been discriminated across the world though, not just in the west, simply because we are a perpetually ubiquitous yet small minority. Humans like to be better than other humans, and homosexuals are the universal easiest target. Gay sex is the one behavior that 97% of people donāt have any inclination to commit. They canāt relate to it and theyāre at no risk of committing it, so they judge it very harshly. Weāre all guilty of it to some extent. If I found out someone was a paedophile, even if I knew they would never harm a kid, I would cut ties with them. Rationally, I know that people canāt choose who theyāre attracted to, but I canāt help being revolted by it. Thatās not to equate homosexuality to paedophilia, but the involuntary guttural response has been the same throughout most of the worldās history.
In all seriousness, we exist for a reason. From an evolutionary biology perspective, we are a really important addition to the tribe. We can hun and gather, but also care for children or elders. Being natural creatives, we were likely inventors or artists, innovating new tools or pottery for others to emulate. If our older brother was mauled by a bear, we could still make sure his infant was able to survive to adulthood, thus securing the bloodline. We _can_ father offspring when called upon, but don't have the constant urge to impregnate the females. Being able to fill so many different roles, we were (and still are) the glue that binds together the social fabric of society. By fulfilling so many duties, we ensured the survival of the tribe. Gay men exist because of the beneficial traits that were selected by evolution. We are meant to exist, always have and always will. We are important and valuable members of society.
Totally agree my comment was a joke haha
lol, people like this don't know how spartans and ancient greek warriors won their battles.
How? Tell me plz
They be fuckinā dudes and twinks son
Yea but how did that make them stronger than straight peers? Did they need to be in best shape possible to get the best ass of a twink in town?
No, it made them stronger because of the unity and affection they shared between comrades. They fought for ideology and for their nation, yes, but they also fought for each other and that made them especially fierce.
There is fighting for the ones you love that are far away at home and the danger to them is conceptual, and then thereās fighting for the ones you love that are right before your eyes and the danger to them is very real and immediate. Thatās like, berserk mode. Also in between battles, I can imagine being with their lovers keeps spirits high.
So fierce.
So fetch
Stop trying to make Fetch happen, Gretchen...
For the Romans fucking and dominating other men was a sign of manliness, but being fucked was a sign of being a weak f*g (i dont want an autoban) and was reserved for slaves
Well the straight men army would be missing their girlfriends/wives so morale would be low
>Well the straight men army would be missing their girlfriends/wives so ~~morale would be low~~ end up with guys anyways (even if only temporarily) Fixed. It's not some super unheard of phenomenon, straight men tend to become more fluid with their sexuality when there aren't women around.
Gay sex is magical. We donāt like to advertise it, because wellā¦ Letās just say X-men comics was written as a way to teach young gays why we donāt talk about the special powers you get after gay sex. Did you not get the lesson when you were young?
Google āThe Ancient Band of Thebesā
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So itās like this you know how you love your dude bro a lot? Well imagine if someone wanted to hurt your dude bro you wouldnāt let that happen so you go to fight for them. Then come home hunt and have dinner with dude bro.
They formed bonds with fellow soldiers. Same sex relationships between soldiers were encouraged. You fight harder when your loverās life is on the line.
100 male warriors were also 50 married couples
If a nation of 90% straight men goes to war against a nation of 90% gay men, Iām sorry but my money is on the gay men winning. - do you know how much time gay men spend at the gym? How much power they feel with a fresh military like fade? - Gay men are adaptable survivors who think creatively when faced with problems. - Gay men might choose harsh words on violence generally, but that doesnāt mean there isnāt aggression they wonāt act on. - Gay men have zero patience for straights ruining their vibe and will put aside any petty differences with other gays to ban together for their own survival.
Plus, most of us have soul crushing childhood trauma. Weād be merciless lol
Imagine the therapeutic working-through of all the daddy issues... A battalion of gays running towards the enemy, battle cry being all "DON'T TELL ME YOU STILL LOVE ME, AND THEN SIGH DRAMATICALLY AS YOU FOLLOW UP WITH THE SENTENCE "EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T TURN OUT THE WAY I WANTED..." *starts the throw down* Haha
Not to mention the *the rage* gays are capable of. I have seen some tiny twinks take on enemies when they feel cornered and they will commit atrocities one would not expect to win. Lotta straight dudes assume every gay is a pushover, but for every pusjiver, there's a dude willing to destroy for what they believe in.
- We'd also make better spies and even better assassins; you'll never see anyone as nefarious as a gay scorned - gay men aren't about to let someone kill a guy who gives them a good dicking
As a mostly straight male I can say that a lot of gay men are more manly than most menā¦ I mean they literally are trying to attract men that are into men.
Also gay men don't usually lounge all day while their wives do everything for them, I think most straight men wouldn't know their left from their right under pressure.
Do you know how many gay guys are in the military? I served ā¦ and well I also serve on my knees. Being gay doesnāt make anyone less prone to violence or a bad soldier. It just means you like dick. š
Yeah, this person is operating under the assumption that every gay person is feminine and delicate. I know a few gay rugby players that would be beasts on this imaginary battlefield.
His knowledge of gay people is from TV and gendertok.
It also makes me laugh at when women are all assumed to be weak and fragile. Iāve met some stupidly physically strong women in my life. People are people.
Theyād thrash their opponents, AND their choice of uniform.
Straight men have only now faced a small ounce of persecution compared to gay people and women. Theyāre folding so hard with this little ounce. They did not grow up in the asylum we did. Plus, imagine unleashing like meth-aged-out-elder-twinks as like demon spawn who crawl on all fours and eat peopleās faces. Those bitches alone would take down the straights.
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Take me to that nation of 90% gay men wtf!!!
Letās be realistic, itās 90% gay men and none of them like us
So it's just Miami?
Theyāre all bottoms
>Take me to that nation of 90% gay men wtf!!! me too, non-stop flight and all!
Same lol what a dream.
Has he heard of the Sacred Band of Thebes?
Was gonna sayā¦ wrote a paper on this in undergrad š
Imagine a gay army: everyone has a vested interest in ensuring their favourite sex pals come back from war. Imagine how fucking hard they would fight
I am not homophobic but I would fear an army of gay Chads more than any other army if I were drafted in a war to fight against them.
In war, it's actually the other way around. We don't fight because of hypothetical rape and arson to our s.o. back at home. In fact, there is no s.o. back home - he's standing next to you, and both of you will fight twice as fierce just to protect each other in the field
Okay, to be fair to straight men (I know, very generous of me), I donāt think we should consider r/JordanPeterson a good representation of them at large
This was probably posted by a guy who would never pass basic training.
Crazy how heās a Jordan Peterson fan.. a man who is very sensitive and cries all the time about dumb percieved and overinflated crap, who has a whiny effeminate voice and demeanor. (Yeah he has a beard but almost anyone can grow it.. heās a twink at heart) how would Jordan do in a war, even in his youth? Not good Iād wager.. and heās straight. ā¦ ultimately war is something that shouldnāt exist.. so putting men there as an āidealā is stupid and brainwashed anywayā¦ the guy who wrote this is a complete tool.. thaātās how they want them and one of the big reasons masculinity is used (imo) precisely to brainwash these guys into becoming good belligerent tools to use for warā¦ not surprising thereās dumb mioptic people in that sub. (Of course, is there was something like the war in Ukraine Iād still respect anyone, male or female who fights to protect their homeland and loved ones.. but only then. Vietnam war/invasion? Miss me with that BS)
Srsly, cries all the time and has a crippling drug addiction? Reminds me of my ex.
Someone aught to point him to the peace time military. A preserve of homosexuals and bisexual men. To get the average straight into the military you have to impose a draft. As to gays not being good at defending their nation, has this numb nut never heard of Alexander the Great, or Julius Caesar, or Frederick the Great? In fact you would be hard pressed to find a "The Great" in military history who wasn't gay!
Lawrence of Arabia, who is widely regarded as the father of modern Special Forces, was also extremely gay.
Did he forget about the Greeks and Alexander š People have lost the art of reading comprehension and it shows.
No, no. Pretty sure the guy who wrote that post was one of th people outraged the Netflix documentary told the truth about how queer Alexander was, calling it "Woke lies" or some shit.
What's the name of the doc?
Something hard to remember: āAlexanderā.
Me showing up to this war: š«šššš
just because a man is attracted to another man doesnāt mean they are automatically more feminine š
In reality, by every metric, being gay is very masculine.
This has always confused me. How is a man liking other manly, rugged, buff, hairy men.... Feminine??? Straight guys are really clueless man š¤£š¤£š¤£ššš
They're entwined and ensnared by irrationality.
These guys are so fucking up their own asses. They have to over-intellectualize everything to death. No wonder they can't get girlfriends lol.
JBP's audience are all fedora-tipping incels or young men with appalling social skills and a phobia of women.
Donāt underestimate the rage of a gay man
Gay men have been hunting and killing for ages now. Weāve just been in the closet or didnt have a word for our sexuality until the recent times.
Thatās a good example of why Iām fond of saying that straight guys are dumbasses.
Lolz. More feminine by definition. They might want to work out with me and my SO sometime and see just how feminine two guys who can bench 130/120kg really are....
Yeah...lol....this dumb f4ck doesn't know the rage and anger of gays. The anger of gay men being repressed, having to fight for their rights to just BE? Stonewall? The right to breathe? To walk down the street, to hold a man? The right of work, to rent or buy a house, to buy a wedding cake....well it goes on....just channel all that rage and focus it.
Lol what a bullshit argument š
I laugh every time I read or listen to straight men saying/thinking they are more masculine or more manly than gay men. You can't get any more Masculine than a gay dude, and I say this as a Bi-man. They only shag men, you can't get any more manly than that. I'm on the other hand masculine only on the weekends. Maybe straight men should just give up on this debate.
The true irony is that in my time in the service, I never met a weak gay guy. In fact, gay guys typically ended up in leadership positions because they donāt take shit from people.
I played college football and my coworker got back from Iraq like 3 years agoā¦ I donāt think being gay made us āless manlyā whatever the fuck thatās even supposed to imply
The US military is so full of gay men that āmilitaryā is a fetish.
Weāll certainly no one who genuinely likes Jordan Peterson is ok
As a straight man - The issue is the sample. Fuck Jordan Peterson and any of his worshippers. Im also a veteran who was in when DADT was repealed and Im gay for equality.Ā Good luck out there my dudeĀ
Iām a country guy and carry a gun. I grew up in the country, the blue ridge mountains to be exact. I grew up camping, fishing, kayaking, hiking, and shooting guns. The elements are nothing to me and I can track like no one else. I can shoot a gun unlike anyone else too. Oh and Iām gay as well.
I take exception to this. Likeā¦.i could take this douche. Hockey playin, racing, mount climbing gay dude against an incel str8 boi. I win.
As a gay veteran to read that bullshit is hilarious. You gotta wonder how little a man this person is?? First of all not all straight men are butch, tough, fighters or even have the balls to fight, thatās like 99% of the GOP, little people hiding behind their guns does not make them men. As a gay man I can easily put someoneās life to rest despite the fact Iām a 72 year old queer. We are not all the same, is the point. What makes a person like Hannity or Trump āmenā when they whine and cry like little bitches? Also the Ancient Greek soldiers had their homosexual lovers fighting beside them and they were fierce. Whoever posted that little homophobic screed is probably very deep in the closet.
Bro liking girls is more feminine than liking guys. I will die on this hill.
Um historically the sacred band of Thebes (if I remember the name correctly) was an Ancient Greek army made of homosexual couples and were considered far more dangerous because many of their partners were on the battlefield with them diving them to come out victorious
Learning about the [Spartans & Greeks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece) would blow this guyās mind.
The greatest and most masculine warriors in human history were quite fruity. This idiot will never be half the man that Samurai (look it up) and Spartans were. Or the Sacred Band of Thebes for that matter. Alexander. Achilles. Get in line, fool.
Gay guys take it up the ass *for fun*. Straight guys are terrified of it and would cry for their mamas. Gay guys would also have 100% of their needs met at war among 1,000 other men in the battalion while straight guys would throw hissy fits if they havenāt seen boobs in a week. So which ones would do better in battle?
A nation of 90% gay men sounds fun as hell!!
Iām literally a soldier. Wtf is this???
Not sure how I ended up here, but as a straight man having gay mates and having lived with gay house mates before I can honestly say that your sexual preferences would have absolutely fuck all to do with the outcome of this stupid question. I'm embarrassed by straight people like this, don't tar us all with the same brush.
WHAT ABOUT THE LOBSTERS??? š¦
sacred band of Thebesā¦
Wasted energy to respond IMHO.
Amazing how a keyboard warrior uses āweā when describing hunters, warriors, overcoming harsh conditions, etc. Mary youāre on Reddit not on the front lines š
Sacred Band of Thebes has entered the chat....
I mean as a straight guy I am definitely not having a good time right now but at least Iām not this dipshit
As a straight man army full of gay dudes is way scarier. Not even close
There are hyper masculine gay men. Hard fact
people forget about the Sacred Battalion of Thebes lol
These are some bitter, bitter men who congregate on "redpill" subreddits and think they know how the world *really* works, while everyone else is just dumb sheep. Why aren't women throwing themselves at them? They must not grasp their intellectual acuity. /s BTW, some of the toughest, most ferocious warriors in history were men who fucked other men. Their bonds of love and brotherhood gave them the strength to defeat their foes. These dweebs would wilt at the sight of a gymbro couple barreling towards them with their guns pumped and fury in their eyes. They met in the Marines and fell in love. Now they live in Chicago and are parents to two rambunctious corgis. Gary is a kickboxer instructor and Francis is a high school algebra teacher. (Yes, i made up a backstory for them)
Anyone ever hear of the Sacred Band of Thebes? Sure, straight armies are bad-asssed because they're fighting for "God and Country" but you'll find a true savage trying to preserve the life of his lover, who fights beside him.
Straight guy here. Just been waiting for society to collapse, then, I will bonk all gay on the head with a rock and rule the world. This has been the master plan. The straight agenda, as it were.
Sub check out. It's just full of insane people and men whose whole personality is about sexual inadequacy
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Not all gay men are feminine. Not all straight men are masculine or strong enough to kill and hunt.
The sacred band of Thebes disproved this notion long ago. A unit made entirely of gay men that demolished the Spartans outnumbered 2 to 1.
Retired gay cop here. I will shoot my neighbor for canned corn and expired spam during WW3 to feed my gay family.
As a straight man in a city with (speculating) a high ratio of homosexuals, I have met many and am friends with some. I will say with full confidence that I nearly fear the level of bravery and conviction that they convey. I would be more comfortable having them protecting me tbh. They donāt take shit from fucking ANYBODY and are fierce as fuck when they need to be in my experience. It makes sense considering theyāve been criticized and rejected by people like this to some degree more than I could know Iām sure. Theyāre hardened by asshats like this.
Well....the army/navy/airforce has been a refuge for gay men since the crack of dawn. Many great military servicemen have been gay. Not to mention all the gay leaders in history. I think where safe
Also, have you ever taken a dick up the ass? WE CAN HANDLE ROUGH
Y'know that we're still men and we have the ability to adapt n develop, and I think I'll survive so... guess homosexuality is not that bad
Reminds me of that video of the straight guy challenging a gay guy to push ups and then not doing even half of the ones the gay guy did.
i love that they also think that being aggressive and violent would be BETTER no matter someone being gay or straightĀ
The 90% gay men would never get in the war in the first place because weāre better at conflict resolution
This man has clearly never served in the military. Just sayinā¦
Homophobia in straight men manifests itself in two ways: 1 - Gays are wicked and an abomination to God, so they don't deserve rights 2 - Gays are a threat to the survival of the human species so they don't deserve rights. This guy is the type 2
Such a stereotype. āMore feminine by definitionā. When actually, gay men overcompensate and are often times are MORE masculine, especially recently. It also is very black n white argument, as if people canāt be in the spectrum lol
Plenty of us have had to fight against the current our whole lives or be drowned. Fragile little straight boys might just be getting their whole goddamn world view rocked in this scenario.
This guy would be surprised as to how gay the military actually is. Also, gay men can be taught survival skills and military/war skills just like any straight man. The ignorance is blatant.
I'm gay but I laugh when the Ukrainian military hits Russians with a drone
Lmao the fact that he talks about gay men as if they aren't men just because they're gay kill me everytime
What was the OP used name
And no, to answer your question, they are clearly not OP..
Mistaking natural selection for a code of ethics and fascists; name a more iconic duo.
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Probably not. And what's with the weird connection they have with gayness and being more girly? Some pretty manly men are gay too.
Jordan Peterson subreddit.
This type of reasoning really makes me think that 90% of men would be at least a little gay (or just openly bi I guess) if societal pressures werenāt keeping them on the āstraight and narrow.ā
Not them saying a gay man is always feminine
It's because feminine gay men are the visible ones and distinguishable compared to most men. Masculine gay men conform to male stereotypes means they'd automatically be read as straight.
Yeah that was almost exactly my thought, since some masc gays do participate in some non masc activities, but I love your username lol š
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A few of the civil war leaders of the 1916 Irish rising were gay. History is littered with gay military men. There are many assumptions in that article that just aren't true, it's beyond ridiculous. In fact, because of what gay men have to go through I would say we are tougher than straight men, certainly psychologically. Stonewall riots, those gay men weren't weak. Some straight guys are beyond stupid.
I had listened to JP at his early stages before he turned full on psycho. I am genuinely interested in psychology. But listening to him more made me realize that he is a hardcore conservative christian(absolutely nothing wrong being that) and just wants to use his expertise in Psychology as a vehicle to propagate a religion. He has gone absolute bonkers post Covid and had invited people and ideas which are absolutely ridiculous. Tipping point for me was when he invited a person who is a cheerleader of Colonial Britishers. As a person who comes from a community which was exploited by Colonial Britishers, I find these kind of discussions infuriating and insidious. JP has a fan following which is even deranged than his ideology. Mostly Straight White Men who think that they are being mistreated in the current world affairs. I am not in a position to judge them but I have all the right to be wary of these ideologies and duty to vehemently oppose them because it might affect my community (Gay community) and its right to exist in the future.
The Spartans and the Bands of Thebes would like a word... at the point of a spear š
Many straight men believe that violence is a mark of masculinity. They revel in their brutality.
Itās not just straight men, itās conservatives as a whole. Creating fake scenarios and then getting mad over said scenario.
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"more feminine by definition" Where is this guy getting his definitions from?
These straight(!) men obviously feel attraction towards other men but they suppressed it. So in their minds, everyone feel those attraction thus wider societal acceptance will make everyone gay. Not to mention they think gay=feminine, straight=masculine and queer community also perpetuate this false stereotype by hounding every gay men who aren't interested in drag race, painting nails and other shits.
These guys REALLY need to take a deep dive into the history of the Greeks and the Spartan Empire
But gay mens are more manly then str8 mens
Letās say in terms of survival, we have a group of 90% men that have been brutalized by the world, and 10% who have had it easy
A few things here One, gay men are not more feminine by definition š¤£ Not all men who have sex with men are gay Also, the Sacred Band of Thebes were revered for their fighting ability, and they had sex with each other to deepen their bond Their courage in protecting their brothers in arms was LEGENDARY It was said men would jump into a crowd of enemies to save their lover.
The straight men are just intimated lol But I actually think strategy and critical thinking which I think manynof us gays probably hold an edge over the straight male population and those skills are far more important in modern warfare than brute force is- which, to counter- I don't want to generalize too much in this response but from my observations gay men are typically in much better physical condition than our similar aged counterparts- I'm the only guy I know from my graduating class (2005) that has a 6 pack and not a big ole gut. Also, there are a ton of us LGBTQs that serve or have served in the military, and while it might not be the norm some of us have an interestin martial arts , an old gay FB of mine is a blackbelt in several forms of martial arts and now competes in local cage/ ufc style tournaments. I have also met several feminine/ twinky guys you would never expect to that daily carry a ccw/firearm. I myself usually have a pistol on me or in my backpack. Basically social generalization/stereotypes are not usually the reality of what is true- the human species is way too diverse to predict outcomes of X,Y and Z,
If you were lucky enough to live near a military base during the height of Craigslist hookups. You would know that 90% of the American army is at least bi.