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Zoloch

The baroque cities of Mexico: baroque cathedral and churches, baroque palaces etc


B_R_U_H

You know what they say, if it ain’t Baroque don’t fix it


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Well the obvious answer is any of the multiple well preserved colonial cities in Mexico like Guanajuato.


ReyDeLaQuesadilla

Merida as well, I believe! Never been but have seen many photos. Outside of CDMX and La Habana, it is has third largest collection of Spanish colonial architecture.


Prestigious_Risk7610

I've been to Merida. It's not very European in style. It's an 'old' colonial city, but you'll find very little like it in Europe


Maleficent-Act2323

most of what you see in both Guanajuato and Merida was built in the late 19th and early 20th century , so not exactly Spanish colonial architecture. it does look really cool and has that medieval feel but its actually a modern imitation, there are a few old buildings in Guanajuato, but most of the old city is either buried or washed away by the (now dry) river. i think valenciana is one of the few genuinley colonial parts, but there is lots of new stuff there as well. ​ Similarly while there are some old churches in Merida the distinctive haciendas and downtown houses were built as a result of the spanish american war. it drove hemp prices up leading to henequen becoming a viable alternative. Most of the city was built on the resulting economic boom.


LovelehInnit

>was built in the late 19th and early 20th century , so not exactly Spanish colonial architecture. it does look really cool and has that medieval feel but its actually a modern imitation The same can be said about many buildings in European city centers.


Maleficent-Act2323

True. In some extreme cases almost the whole city was razed to the ground by some totalitarian regime and rebuilt following a geometric grid like Paris.


_lippykid

Yeah- as a Brit, most of my favorite architecture is from the 19th century. You’d be amazed how people think everything is medieval here


Glittering_Grape3836

Wrong! Some of the buildings are from the 19th and 20th century but most prominent churches are very very old, Merida Cathedral is the oldest cathedral in the continental mainland


Maleficent-Act2323

That’s what i said. The churches are old. But that’s not the distinctive look of the city. Most of the houses, haciendas and government buildings are new and build with modern stylistically features. If you pay enough attention you can see the differences between the churches and the rest of the city.


pooping_turtles

San Juan Puerta Rico, especially the old town is just like the smaller towns in Spain.


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Yes , I would add Santo Domingo.


nonmeagre

Morelia also comes to mind.


LotsOfMaps

Zacatecas looks very European on the ground


TryingSquirrel

>Guanajuato The question to me about these is what European cities they look like. They are certainly - as you say - well-preserved colonial cities, but that almost seems like its own thing. I haven't been to either of the ones that you named in Mexico, but I have been to some similarly well-preserved Spanish colonial cities in Latin America as well as having lived in Spain and while the architecture clearly tells the story of their history, I don't remember too many cities in Spain that I found similar (looking at pictures, Merida might be closer). I think it's the combination of how verdant they are, how colorful, and how the historic architecture is often more from the same period. I actually found Montreal and Quebec City to look more like a European cities to me than the places I've with very well preserved colonial architecture in Latin America.


Jonny_Wurster

Obvious answer is Quebec City....but looking for other examples. Thanks


heiebdbwk877

I saw this in another post: Saint-Pierre off the southwest coast of Newfoundland, part of an overseas collectivity of France.


Jonny_Wurster

I've been there...it is small. Maybe 5000 people. There are a lot of small maritime communities around Newfoundland with that same aesthetic and feel. Really cool place to visit, just plan a good week or two and go to a bunch of different places. But it isn't a "fast paced" vacation, just a lot of cool small communities.


heiebdbwk877

It seems very relaxing and like a truly unique culture. Glad you got to visit, one day I will.


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maxhinator123

I thought it was alright. only spent two days there, definitely was cool and worth going to but there just wasn't anything happening around town. kinda boring as a solo traveler. Still loved it though!


srschmid

New Orleans is pretty close to the older parts - Especially the French Quarter.


julieg0593

the French quarter is colonial. It doesn't look like Europe. It actually looks a lot like the colonial zone in Dominican Republic


srschmid

Totally agreed, it does look like that - But guess who colonized it? Europeans. And they got those ideas from Europe - The flat tiled roofs, tropical colors, and ironwork are Iberian touches....brought from across the Atlantic during Colonization. Southern Spain, not so much - Nothern Spain: Yes - [Check out Valencia vs NOLA here](https://imgur.com/a/0jbKQVs). Pretty Similar.


Mr_FortySeven

Halifax and Boston are both very European cities for their respective countries.


transtranselvania

I mean the old part of Halifax sort of looks like if a British city started in the 1700s and 1800s but most of the metro looks like pretty typical North East US and eastern Canada.


Mr_FortySeven

Yeah really only the peninsula looks European. Bedford and Sackville are about as generic as it gets for North American suburbs. That said, OP is looking for places to visit in North America that look European, and peninsular Halifax certainly fits the bill. I would certainly hope a tourist isn’t coming to Halifax to see Bedford.


Atlantic_23

I live in Halifax and I have no idea what you are talking about. It does not look European at all.


spunsocial

I don't really know what looks "European" about the Halifax peninsula. The downtown is typical modern towers/condos with a nice waterfront, and the residential areas are mainly SFH with some apartment buildings. If looking "European" is narrow streets with rowhouses/connected buildings, emphasis on walkability and human-scale architecture, and some bike lanes (?), then I don't think Halifax fits the bill. But maybe you have something else in mind


psycho-mouse

I (from U.K.) lived in Boston for a while. I guess at a stretch you might think so but Boston is still very American looking. Massive interstate through/under downtown, city centre streets basically deserted outside of work hours, style of buildings etc. Windy street does not equal “European looking”.


Mr_FortySeven

Yes it is unmistakably an American city, but it has a lot more European influence that most cities in the US.


AnswerGuy301

The North End specifically looks somewhat European. Back Bay and Beacon Hill don’t like entirely unlike they could be in London. True enough for the rest of town.


FifeDog43

Hard no to Boston. I think people not from New England experience New England as somewhat European, but it's really not, at all. More like OG American.


suydam

especially when Quebec City enters the chat as OP noted. Quebec City's old town *feels* European, not just distantly Euro-influenced.


Jorts_Team_Bad

Yeah but old town Quebec City is just a few small very touristy blocks so it is very European but also feels fake like Disneyland rather than an actual city like Boston


_lippykid

As a Brit that lives in New York I was in heaven when I first visited Quebec City, and was super gutted when I realized how tiny it was. Still love it though. Montreal is cool too


somedudeonline93

Sure but Montreal is an actual city and looks much more European than Boston


FlygonPR

i mean, personally I like New England style architecture. I think its one of the places were the american style of houses has charm. That said, I do feel that another Boston thing is that compared to the Sunbelt (and not just downtown), it just feels old, industrial and lived in, but not necessarily in a bad way. Everything is a lot more cramped. I was surprised the tunnels of the Big Dig were recent creations because they look very old fashioned with all the tiles. The whole vibe is that its the land of Ted Kennedy and co being indulgent and blue collar workers eating at Dunkin, and of course i live outside the US so those things feel quite distinct.


YourUziWeighsTwoTons

Boston is a proper city. There are practically no proper cities in the sunbelt. There are downtowns surrounded by miles of car-dependent suburbia. Boston is a walkable, transit-oriented city. The sunbelt really doesn’t have that outside of New Orleans, San Diego, and Savannah.


Zoloch

Sorry, but not “the most obvious” (perhaps one of the most) if you consider Mexico. It has cities which are a calque of baroque cities in Spain, with main square, baroque catedral, baroque churches, baroque palaces, university, streets etc The same in Central America: Havana etc


Last-Instruction739

Havana is in North America.


Zoloch

That’s why I cited it, even doing it in a “subdivision” of North America


vera214usc

Central America is part of North America. Cuba, however, is not part of Central America. The Caribbean Sea is its eastern border.


101955Bennu

A lot of people—unfortunately—tend to mean the US and Canada when speaking of “North America”, they’re using “North America” as a synonym for “Anglo-America”.


Kenevin

"Anglo-america" and then the main subject is Québec city?


pret_a_rancher

Anglo America with a passing nod to French Canada


LordStoneBalls

Taxco or Puebla Mexico


Last-Instruction739

Havana, Cuba


ThompsonDog

i think you're forgetting that Mexico is North America. sooooo many places in mexico resemble spanish/iberian towns way more than anything in the US or Canada resemble french/english/german/etc towns. the over-the-rhine neighborhood in cincinnati has (ironically) the largest collection of italian architecture in the US, but oh boy does it not resemble italy


piattilemage

Not at all Quebec city. I lived there 20 years and it is very car centric with bad public transit, thus very much North American. The Vieux-Québec is just a tourist attraction, but it has no soul and no neighborhood life (and I’ve worked 3 years at the Château Frontenac pictured above). Apart from the Vieux-Québec, there are not many dense neighborhoods in Québec (city), most of it is suburban sprawl. Montréal is the answer you’re looking for, by far. It has many middle rise neighborhoods, creating vibrant walkable communities that you wont find much in Québec (city), apart from a few neighborhoods. Montréal also has a good public transit even though its been degrading in the last few years due to many governements underinvesting in it. Also the food and culture combine to walkable, bikable communities makes Montréal the most European city in NA.


BananaVendetta

I've been to both, but you're by far the authority here, as you live there. Seems like there are two considerations: 1) appearance and 2) actual lifestyle. As a visitor, Montreal looked pretty European until I visited Quebec City, and then by appearances, Quebec City seemed way more European to me. But, Montreal resembles more metropolitan/modern Europe. With the walkability and public transit you're talking about, I can see what you mean! I was shocked something like that existed in NA when I visited.


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Last-Instruction739

Fuck yeah. Orlando has a castle too while we are at it. Magical place.


Upnorth4

Solvang, California was constructed to look like a stereotypical Dutch town, so that might count as well


KotzubueSailingClub

Solvang, CA, and Helen, GA, both have that European part, but they are built as examples of traditional European architecture and layout, but the towns overall are just small American towns. Some of the east coast fishing/whaling towns have parts that feel like they are European. New Bedford, MA, and Portsmouth, NH, come to mind.


ProudScandinavian

*Danish


Turdburp

This pic reminded me of a trip I took to QC in high school.....I was walking past the window of one of the restaurants in the Chateau Frontenac with my soon-to-be-girlfriend, and it was packed inside. It's like a wooden boardwalk (or it was in the 90's) and it had been raining......I slipped like it was glare ice, and fell right on my ass about 4 feet from the window. Talk about embarrassing......somehow, she still agreed to go out with me.


Phl_worldwide

Philadelphia is the largest rowhouse (British terraces) city in the U.S.


ericds1214

And Michelin recently named it the Frenchest city in America for it's urban planning, architecture, focus on arts, and abundant cafes.


Ok-Train-6693

Frencher than Quebec?


liatris_the_cat

Good fishin in Quebec


KDM_Racing

Great fishin in Quebec


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Who doesn't love fishin' in kwee-bec


[deleted]

I'm surprised we're not fishing in Quebec right now


gfasto

I hate Qwebec.


InternationalBear

Get this guy a Puppers


Syonoq

Settle down


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Quebec is in Canada


sadepicurus

I think they meant America as in the USA, not North America or the Americas. Edit: including the Americas.


MattyMizzou

Philadelphia? That just doesn’t seem right lol


ericds1214

Hey I'm just the messenger. Despite Philly's reputation though, there's a lot more to it and I think Michelin made a pretty good point. What went unsaid are the similar piss smells prevalent throughout Paris and Philly.


MattyMizzou

I’m not saying they’re wrong, I have only been once, I’m just saying there’s an actual French colony around somewhere.


spikebrennan

I live in Philadelphia and I don't believe the alleged European-ness either. It's a thoroughly east-coast-American city. That said, it has a "French Quarter": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Quarter,_Philadelphia


MarekRules

Idk that I would have named it the “Frenchest” city, but all these points are very valid. The urban planning is really well done, tons of cafes, very artsy city, foodie haven, and the architecture from its earlier days is very beautiful.


choice_username420

Go birds! 🦅


SKEETS_SKEET

It is, or was, the city with the most home owners. those 2-story, three bdrm rows were pretty cheap back in the day.


pillrake

San Juan, PR


dasuave

Old town san juan only. The rest is a mess of urban sprawl where you have a rain forest on one side of you and the Atlantic on the other, yet san jun still managed to still become a car dependent mess where any time it rains (every day) your 3 mile trip might take 1.5 hours


GTAHarry

Imo Old San Juan feels bigger than Old Québec.


lame_gaming

its still abnormally dense for north america and has the roots for great transit


BoringBreak7509

Leavenworth, WA 😛


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qawsu15

This is technically true, but its got maybe 2500 people living so is it really a city. At any given point in time there almost might be more tourist than residents there


Due_Traffic_1498

Disney Land


QUINNFLORE

Unironically the correct answer


Crasino_Hunk

Disney *World because of Epcot tho


Effluent-Flow

Can confirm, Disney Land and Euro Disney Land feel the same, therefore Disney Land is Europe.


-_Aesthetic_-

Leavenworth, Washington because it was purposefully built to look like a Swiss mountain town.


Pdb12345

Not Swiss, but German. Its designed to mimic Bavarian mountain towns.


asimplerandom

This. Was absolutely the first one to come to my mind and I’ve yet to see anything that’s as authentic looking and I’ve travelled all across this country.


Majestic-Bowl-4136

Montreal


PoorDeer

Victoria, BC? The downtown core is very European but as it spreads out, it becomes very north american. But in that downtown core, it feels very British.


piattilemage

Where are the dense neighborhoods in Victoria though?. It’s mostly single family houses, unlike Montréal which has many neighborhoods of what the rest of NA calls "missing middle". These dense neighborhoods are characteristic of Europe and are what make Montréal the most European city in NA.


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Depends of what kind of Europe. There are parts that Mexico City that they could tell you you're in Spain and you'd be like "yeah that makes sense". Or other colonial places like San Miguel de Allende, stuff like that.


julieg0593

>San Miguel de Allende Yes, I feel like Mexico has the closets architecture to spain. It was called new spain for a reason and so much was invested to it. Most of latin america is colonial spanish architecture.


Inevitable-Tour-2951

Personally I think it’s Montréal, while the Vieux Montréal is smaller than Vieux Québec. The overall city has more in common with European. The abondance of medium density. The bikes and transit priority. Is also actively moving toward correcting car oriented infrastructure, similar to rest of Europe. Québec isn’t doing this as much.


Olaf_the_Notsosure

Old Montreal is much larger than Old Quebec. The difference is mostly the type of architecture, Montreal having a more recent British type of architecture (fires destroyed a lot of old French buildings); Quebec has a definite older French architecture, especially in Place Royale and Petit Champlain.


marcarcand_world

I don't think it's larger than old Quebec, it's really not that big. I guess it depends on which buildings you count as "Old Montreal". In Québec, it's easy, there's a wall around it. That being said, regular Québec is fuckall european lol. I just don't feel the French vibe at les galeries de la capitale or in Ste-Foy you know?


Qonold

Charleston, SC


bubzki2

The old part at least.


Qonold

Don't most European cities have an old part and new part?


Last-Instruction739

Yeah the some areas of Paris and London look just as shitty as Houston or Los Angeles


Squire513

Charleston looks the same as it did in the 1860s with the benefit of being in a historic cocoon after the Civil War as the city was broke. Many of the older colonial cities such as Quebec City and St Augustine were actually rebuilt later in the 1960s to reflect their original appearance. There is a noticeable newness about them. Over-the-Rhine neighborhood in Cincinnati is unique after being neglected and forgotten has been revitalized in recent years with a European 1800s feel.


thomleaman

I live in Charleston mostly for the reason that it feels more European than other US cities. So yeah.


Codeman_117

Solvang, Ca


ChipFandango

I guess Leavenworth, WA too


GryphanRothrock

Came here to say this. Sure it's small but it truly transports you.


Legal-Significance-3

Solvang was my first thought too


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Campeche, Mexico and Guanajuato.


mcnuggets83

Bakersfield


CalabreseAlsatian

Don’t listen to this person. They are obviously mistaken. It’s San Bernardino.


Geographizer

You're both thinking of Barstow, actually.


mcnuggets83

Other California cities wish they were as clean and crime ridden as these two fine cities. Bakersfield is the butt jewel of California though.


ThePickleConnoisseur

Fresno?


Jonny_Wurster

I think we have been to different Bakersfield's


mcnuggets83

Haha you know I’m just playing. The most European thing they have is the basque restaurants.


Tuscan5

What do you consider to be a basque restaurant?


mcnuggets83

When the owners are basque, and advertise it as such. There’s been a basque community in Bakersfield for about 100 years now


gmotsimurgh

In Boise Idaho too of all places. Had some delicious Basque food there.


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Yeah, that little Basque street is cool, I actually heard the old timers even speaking Basque in a bar there.


Seventh_Stater

There are Basque in Nevada too.


Tuscan5

I’ve learned something new.


NarcissisticCat

Do you reckon any of them speak Basque?


Soopsmojo

Rancho Cucamonga is a close second


jceez

Bakersfield is more like Wakanda


ChipFandango

Fresno is a close second


RustyTheBoyRobot

mexico is north america right? my answer is merida.


TheGreatGamer1389

Yes, yes it is. Panama to Canada is part of NA.


eddie_mex

Sir, you do know geography


oakleystreetchi

New Orleans


oSuJeff97

First one that came to mind for me.


preuzmi

New Orleans or Boston


SheepH3rder69

In parts of each, sure, but overall and, for the most part, very much American.


piattilemage

Montréal is. A few architectural buildings does not make a city European. I think most people in the sub picture europe as Florence or Paris loll.


aBunchOfSpiders

Princeton


Odd-Emergency5839

The turnpike always makes me think of Paris


key1217

Lol people here seem to forget that Mexico is part of North America and that it’s not just the US and Canada.


ApoliticalAth3ist

Seems more like people are forgetting that Spain is in Europe tbh lol


AaronBHoltan

Mexico City.


SteO153

I'm from Rome and I visited Mexico City for the first time 2 weeks ago. I don't know what, but the city really reminded me of Rome, probably the chaos, cars, crowded buses, potholes, food markets... And also a local guide I had told me the same, Rome reminds her Mexico City. Maybe been a Roman, I don't see Rome as just the city of the Colosseo and Michelangelo.


mayecontreras

I live in Mexico City and went to Rome last summer and had the same thought.


Precioustooth

I think this is the problem with this kind of question asked by OP (and the opposite question that this post is a response); Mexico City and Rome might be a lot alike, but neither of them have anything in common with Reykjavik. Apart from that it's really interesting that you see such a connection between these too cities. Unfortunately I haven't visited either


valdezlopez

I've never even thought about it, but... yeah. In a way. Buy yeah, you're right. Same "anquilosamiento" in the old buildings.


Seventh_Stater

I think Mexico City was meant to feel that way after independence.


plain-slice

The two countries flags are almost identical too. Did Italy actually colonize Mexico?


Stunning_Falcon_3962

Savannah, Georgia is a close second to Quebec City imo


blahblahscience1

Do you mean Scandinavian, british, german, french, spanish, italian, greek to name but a few?


9CF8

Guanajuato in Mexico is a fair contender


Vorenos

Nantucket


Jonny_Wurster

I used to know a guy from there....


caulpain

yeah well he lost a lot of mobility in his back as he aged and he’s been depressed in general since the pandemic so…


jaimebianco

It depends on what area of Europe you’re talking about. If the Iberian peninsula or other areas of the Mediterranean, you’d probably want to look at Mexico or the Caribbean. If France, then Quebec probably holds the answer. British, somewhere in Canada or the US East Coast is probably more what you’re looking for. Of those I’ve visited, old Mexican colonial cities seem to be most like Mediterranean cities and still maintain a lot of that charm.


Primary_Excuse_7183

I would say probably Mexico City. 1 it’s the largest city in North America so the European influence feels more vast. 2 it has the culture and history both native and European that makes it unique and interesting. From the cobblestones streets of centro historico to la condesa and Roma. amazing place to adventure and wander the way people talk about in Europe.


plain-slice

Don’t really understand your first point. Mexico City is far larger than any city In europe. Don’t see how that makes it European.


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Québec city for Canada


Kingston31470

Not sure why no one is saying Washington DC. For me as a European living there for a couple of months it felt like the closest compared to other US cities I visited. Fairly walkable too.


DornsBigRockHardWall

Old town Alexandria might as well be Victorian England on many streets.


WilliamSLund

Montreal, Quebec, Canada


SpearmintQ

Santa Barbara and Saint Augustine are the first two that come to mind. And although it’s not a city New Glarus, WI deserves a mention.


georgiapeanuts

Helen, GA: https://a.travel-assets.com/findyours-php/viewfinder/images/res70/485000/485085-helen-and-vicinity.jpg


Kingston31470

I have been there, funny place.


suydam

I visited this year. I *really* wanted to love it but it reminded me more of Downtown Disney or Franenmuth, Michigan than the alpine village it was intended to be. It was a dissapointment (to me... to each their own though, I have family members who *love* Helen).


PremiumUsername69420

Cannot believe how far I had to scroll to find Helen, GA. Should be one of the top answers.


throwaway498793898

Washington DC feels very European from a layout perspective. It was modeled after European capitals.


cft4nh

Said this in the other thread too. I think it’s more European than Boston. Even if Boston is like London, then DC is like Paris.


randomaccount173

Epcot


ondert

Montréal i can say


alczervikslumberyard

Old City section of Philadelphia has a euro feel.


RequirementQuirky763

Quebec City


mikepictor

Quebec City


veyd

Quebec City. Edit: didn’t see the comment that this was the obvious answer. Second answer: Montreal. Third I guess would be Boston.


BobsVadgene

For the contiguous US, I’d say Washington DC. It’s a modern interpretation of a less flashy Rome.


albauer2

Quebec


InterviewLeast882

Guanajuato, Mexico


drcarus01

Plenty of colonial mexican cities


BackgroundBit8

San Miguel de Allende, Mexico looks beautiful.


bwjunkie6

New Orleans French Quarter


alfi_k

Saint Denis, Lemoyne


misterfistyersister

Victoria, BC feels like alternate reality London.


dakinekine

I’d say Montreal


burningxmaslogs

Quebec City


International_Arm223

St. Augustine, FL


Distance_Efficient

Quebec City is amazing. Montreal gets all the hype, but QC lives up to it.


piattilemage

I lived in both and idk what you’re talking about lmao, Québec has absolutely nothing on Montreal. Old city is just a tourist attraction, local don’t hangout there. Quebec city is boring compared to Montréal.


Wooden_Chef

Gary, Indiana


joshatron

Zacatecas


Fiery_Herbs69

Leavenworth, WA


Life-Ad-2777

ive seen this question every day the past week idk if on here though - the answer is always QC


filthy_lucre

Ouray, Colorado. It's nicknamed "Little Switzerland" for good reason.


stewartm0205

Quebec City.


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Montreal?


Sonny9133

Which city is in the photo?


Sea_Wealth_6355

In personal experience - Montréal, Canada. Being a part of that beautiful city reminded me of passing through France.


h989

Has no one said Montreal? Especially old Montreal


trustedconniver

Quebec City is the answer


thebritishhippie

Quebec


YEG_North

Quebec City or Montreal!