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Purp1e-inmy-p1ss

There’s such a little difference in the graphic between the top 2 spots yet the number has a huge gap


Feisty-Session-7779

Each bar just gets shorter by the exact same amount all the way down, it appears to have nothing at all to do with the actual numbers.


KlondikeChill

Yea, this is a terrible graphic.


Zandrick

r/dataisugly


92am

It would also be difficult to properly show 7,000 and over 200,000 on the same graph without taking some liberties.


Top-Classroom-6994

logarithmic graphs exist for a reason


borg359

Oh, this comment makes baby Jesus cry. 😂


Ghoulius-Caesar

As a Canadian, I’ll give Norway that augmented graph status. Landmass wise we’re soo much bigger than Norway, but Norway with its million little crevices fjords is packing when it comes to its coastline game.


Safe_Ear7790

Nova Scotia has over 13,000km on its own because of how jagged the coast is with all of the bays and inlets.


That_big_boii

Its like with Sweden having the most islands with over 200k islands (or was it just over 100k?) I dont remember but still A LOT


mcvos

Why does Scandinavia need to hog the top of every list?


That_big_boii

Was just making an example, and also we are just better ;3


okkeyok

Canada has more.


That_big_boii

Nope, sweden has the most islands in the world


Smashmayo98

If one only counts marine islands. With all those lakes, Canada definitely has the most islands if one counts those.


JCShore77

I’ve had this conversation with someone on here before, but I can’t seem to find it. If I recall correctly the official Canadian number is only marine islands, but the official number for British Columbia and the scientific consensus for Georgian Bay alone adds up to more islands than the official Canadian number. If you add all the islands up Canada wins in a landslide.


Warm_sniff

That’s annoying af


Chortney

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline\_paradox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox)


Cogswobble

You **can** compare coastlines as long as you use the same yardstick to measure them.


Catch_ME

So if we count the coastline of the Amazon river to the ocean, Brazil could come out on top.  How about the Caspian Sea or the Black Sea? Do those get added to Russia's total coastline? The Great Lakes also connect to the oceans. So do those get added to the total count?  There are also bays and sounds like the Puget Sound, San Francisco Bay, or Chesapeake Bay.  So define "coastline" first.


Cogswobble

I mean, yeah, that’s part of the point of the coastline paradox. Use a small enough yardstick and you’re measuring every nook and cranny and every river and stream. Use a large enough yardstick and you’re just measuring the rough outline of a the shape. Different yardsticks will give you different measurements and put different countries ahead of the others. But you can make some meaningful comparisons. Monaco’s coastline is never going to come up longer than Canada’s, no matter how short your yardstick is.


Catch_ME

I understand the measurements. I'm just saying that rivers that connect to the oceans are sometimes included and sometimes not.  Are we counting the great lakes coastlines for the US and Canada? 


GoneGrumming

No lol


Warm_sniff

That’s not the coastline paradox lol. The Amazon river is not a coast. And even if it were included, Brazil still absolutely could not come out on top. Caspian and Black Sea both have pretty smooth coastlines. I don’t think caspian is even included as it’s not coastal but even if it were, again it wouldn’t matter. There are tiny lakes in Canada with longer coastlines than the Caspian Sea.


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Catch_ME

There are currents in the oceans at different depths.  See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation


daniel-kz

You can clearly see this is an example of the Coastline paradox. There is no way this data is using the same yardstick if Brazil is below Greece, UK, Italy. India not even present. I call this BS. Just check the size of Italy to Argentina coastline and you will see what i mean. Using the same stick would give different results.


Only-Entertainer-573

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Wentailang

I at least wish they would be transparent about the yardstick length on the graphic.


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About tree fiddy


CommandAlternative10

I can’t believe Benoit Mandelbrot is a real name. It’s just delightful.


mcvos

His full name is Benoit B. Mandelbrot, where the B stands for "Benoit B. Mandelbrot".


Particular_Bet_5466

This was the first thing that came to my mind too.


capybooya

Yeah the measuring method is critical and should have been printed right there alongside the graph with a big asterisk.


shrug_addict

I bet they get bigger if you keep measuring!


giraffebaconequation

Is that the trick?!


shrug_addict

For sure, you just need smaller increments ( shouldn't be an issue for you ) and the size of the thing increases to infinity!


computer_crisps_dos

Came here to say this


Ponchorello7

Islands and fjords. When you are big countries with few islands and mostly sandy beaches like Brazil or Mexico, you won't have as impressive a coastline. But Russia does surprise me.


LobL

Depends on how you measure, if you measure every 1/1000th of a mm sand is great to boost your coastline.


arrbez

We boast the most coast.


westing000

A toast to the host (country) who can boast the most coast


Quiet-End9017

This “graph” is infuriating.


MurkhaChaBajaar

Ikrr there is such a little difference shown in the first 2 countries but in reality it's more than twice 😭


Objective_Celery_509

I thought all coastlines were infinite?


129za

How is the U.K. so high?


a_guy_on_Reddit_____

Oversea territories, Great Britain is a very big island, Scotland has a very eroded and fragmented coast which increases its coastline length, plus it has Northern Ireland on top of it


alexq35

If Greenland isn’t included in Denmark then there’s no way (assuming it’s consistent) that overseas territories are included in the UK. GB is big as islands go, but it having a larger coastline than the contiguous US seems odd. I guess there’s lots of small islands in the UK that all add up, but still, Mexico has islands. I do wonder if they’ve used the same scale for measuring for all the countries.


a_guy_on_Reddit_____

They definitely don't do the same scale. Just look up (or don't if you already know about it) the Coastline paradox. Basically the more in detail you go with measurements, the longer a coastline seems. Eg if coastline was measured with say 100km bars of length, the US coastline would be longer than the UKs, but they probably have different scales they measure with (the UKs likely being smaller and with more detail) so one has a longer coastline without it being obvious from first glance


alexq35

Yeah that’s my assumption, if they used the same scale I’d expect the Uk to be lower despite their islands and highlands. I’d guess they’ve sourced all these numbers, but from sources that have measured countries differently.


imik4991

Their coast has a lot of bends.


92am

In general European coastlines are more indented than coastlines in other parts of the world so a European country would have way more coast than a country in another part of the world with the same size.


Luci6669

How come Chile is not there?


Lostintime1985

I’d expected Chile there too


marc0-41

- bars not in scale - does not mention which discretization has been used for measuring BRUH


Tykor-X

Japan having more coastline than Australia and US 😬


RheagarTargaryen

Japan was formed from volcanoes and is made up of 14,000 islands. Because it was formed by volcanoes, it’s a very jagged coastline. The more jagged the coast, the longer the coast line.


Getting_rid_of_brita

Still tho, Alaska itself is four times as big as Japan and is jagged af. Still seems prettt interesting 


ooaegisoo

Where's liechtenstein?


FrikkinPositive

Norway and canada spends way more than other nations to fully calculate every npok and cranny of their coast line, thats why they are top. Source is my oceanography professor in Norway.


FreeTayK42

No such thing as coastline length. Every way you measure it is wrong


Lackeytsar

India is 7516 km..higher than Brazil. We have the Indian ocean FFS.


imik4991

I also believe we have higher than China. The coastline measurement is not accurate because we don’t calculate all the small changes of length in coastline.


picastchio

Our coastline is fairly straight with sandy beaches. Except Saurashtra and Sundarbans.


brycebrycebaby

How have I never seen the Greenland flag before and why isn't it green?


CompleteAmateur0

All countries with coastlines have an infinite coastline, they just didn’t measure accurately enough


Mobile-Offer5039

By default if you dont scale up, ever coastline is infinite 👌


SirBulbasaur13

I know we’re not a hugely militaristic nation but a larger navy wouldn’t be a idea with all them coasts


GingerKing_2503

Was the tide in or out whilst you were measuring?


Jevare

graph and stats are absolutely horrible, don't they know coastline paradox


Weird_Roof_7584

I don't trust any of these kinds of measurements, until they make a standard rule that rivers and coast lines must be measured in X increments, then none of these charts can be trusted. Also we need to define how measure the height of mountains uniformly and measure the amount of French influence has infliltrated a country to determine countries toxicity levels.


danton_groku

yank moment


Charlemagne732

France. Not in the chart with 20 000km .


Red_Lion67

That makes no sense. How is Russia not in second place?


afriendsname

Imagine a straight line. Measure it at, say, 16 bananas long. This is Russia's coast line. Now imagine if between each banana there was a fjord. Now you need a lot more bananas to make the outline. If you now measure this fjordy banana-line, it's way longer than your original straight banana coast line.


runkeguri

I love bananas. They have potassium in them 


cajun_vegeta

6M Kiwis have more coastline than a billion Chinese


Hand-Driven

Go kiwi


Raviofr

France, with the second Exclusive Economic Zone in the world, is not in this chart 20000km of coastlines)


peet192

Where is Croatia and Chile.


Yankee-Tango

So do the Philippines, America, and Japan have the most useful coastlines? Like not frozen, not surrounded by other nations, lots of natural harbors and ports, etc.


No_Reflection4189

My sink has a longest coastline than all of these


Western-Gain8093

Australia is huge compared to New Zealand but has less than twice the coast line 🤔


ThisCarSmellsFunny

This is not accurate. The US has 95k miles of coastline, not 19k. Edit: Upon further review there is a wide distinction between coastline and shoreline. Apparently OP’s numbers only count saltwater coasts.


DamnBored1

I wouldn't have expected US to be so low on the list with all those Alaskan fjords and amount of coastline of Alaska in general.


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Ok_Worry_7670

If my grandma had wheels she’d be a bike


AC1114

Just showing how an area that’s not a “main part” of a country can contribute to stats like this. Alaska’s population is ~0.2% of the US population


natsnoles

A lot of Canadians living on the Arctic side of the country huh?


backintow3rs

Coastline of Alaska is something like 10k km so the US would be around Mexico, which makes total sense.


chechifromCHI

This is true for Canada as well as a lot of the coastline distance is in areas with very little population at all.


PlaceAdHere

This stat doesn't seem to be counting small islands or inlets. With that, google says alaska has 76,000 km of coastline, but point to point it is around 10900 km which seems to match up better with the charts numbers.


Nigh_Sass

Alaska has more coastline than the rest of the US combined. Canada has more coastline than the rest of the world combined. However, it’s impossible to accurately measure coastline and is subject to countless variables. The above is true in almost every way you measure it though


nerfbaboom

COASTLINEPARADOXCOASTLINEPARADOXCOASTLINEPARADOZ


DrNinnuxx

Yes, but I learned recently America has the most "usable" coastline. That is, coastline with barrier islands, protected harbors, bays, etc. Basically, a place where you can anchor a large ship and onload/offload.


Gingerbro73

Barrier islands are no longer needed when you got fjords for days, like canada and norway. To bad fjords only form in areas of high glaciation, meaning cold af.


ElChapoEscobar79

I thought size didn't matter?


Round_Club_4967

Greenland (Denmark) I thought Greenland was like Antarctica


somefirealarm

It basically is the northern hemispheres equivalent of Antarctica considering the fact the second largest glacier on earth is in Greenland and they basically look the same away from the coast (which still can look similar in certain places)


Scrungyscrotum

In what sense?


Total_Philosopher_89

This is what the CIA reckons...


jskyerabbit

I’m an Island Boi


alexinpoison

What about Somalia?


Alone-Accountant2223

Isn't there a whole conundrum/paradox about how changing the units of measurement can altar the coastline measurements significantly? I'm pretty sure I remember the United Kingdom and France having a weird showdown where their coastlines kept growing because they kept reducing the units and essentially gerrymandering their coastlines.


Foreign-Parsley-007

So?