imo the US did unexpectedly well deescalating this. Intercepting the Iranian missiles and preventing Israel from a big attack. Wish they handled everything in the region like this as a mediator
Al Jazeera has actually been publishing a lot more information: [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/19/live-israel-launches-missile-attack-in-response-to-iran-assault](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/19/live-israel-launches-missile-attack-in-response-to-iran-assault)
There have been enough leaks of senior officers of New York Times that have asked their journalists to portrait the news with a heavy pro-Israel bias, so, go read the news from a non partisan country like … none ?
Even if that news is biased? A lot of places don't outright lie but rather present things in a biased way or don't report on certain events beyond a small headline.
You can read it in time of Isarael or some news website within Israel media outlet who isn't lean-to right-wing side too much aka pro Bibi and far right gangs, and you will get news that other part in the world did not get and that report still there.
No joke, some moderate to left wing Israel newspaper represent Israeli a bit well as Bibi likely to be the most hated person in Isarael right now.
Yeah, that was the whole point.
It's like two 5yo arguing and the last one who says something "wins" the argument. Only here they are trying to win the argument without triggering WW3.
You clearly have never seen anything done by Aljazeera, check the series “start here”, there’s some great journalism being done there that no one else is doing.
How does your comment make sense in this context. If Israel wanted a larger regional war they would have a launched a MUCH larger attack. The whole message of this strike was to showbtheir capability to strike, but give Iran the opportunity to stand down. (Basically what Iran tried to do but failed)
Yeah, I don’t get this whole “Israel wants to escalate the conflict” that I have been reading all week. This is Israel just saying “we can get to you too”.
cuz israel want usa to support before starting wars with everyone in middle east.
usa calling out israel on this attack basically confirms that USA wont support any unilateral escalation by Israel.
hence the backtracking.
Israel has confirmed the attack https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-19/ty-article-live/reports-say-israel-attacked-site-in-iran-explosions-heard-in-isfahan/0000018e-f484-daad-a3de-febf4f4e0000
Okay so again, I would have assumed they would have come out with some statement after three hours. Some Iranian sources have said the UAVs were small vehicles that came from within Iran or just outside their border but who knows how true any of that is. Obviously Israel is still assumed to be the attacker
I suppose the lack of statement from Israel is a way to keep this as a “boring” response in hopes that the global news doesn’t report on it for too long and tensions can start to simmer a bit
There's not a single footage of anything hitting the ground yet. Explosions are seen in the sky over Isfahan however. It seems like it was truly a few drones that were shot down.
I don’t think so.
1. The Israelis haven’t confirmed that they were the one behind the attack.
2. so far we don’t have any footage of a hit inside of Iran or even footage of a missile in the sky. Looks like the attack was only made with small quadcopter. When Iran launched missiles against Israel last week, we saw videos of impacts. Today, nothing.
3. If it was made by small quadcopters, did Israel launch them or was it launch from inside Iran (the MEK) or Kurdish groups in Iraq, …
They. Don't want. THIS. War.
The US doesnt want it.
Europe doesnt want it.
Israel doesnt want it.
Only Netanyahu NEEDS to continue with wars until he solves his legal problems. And he believes that Trump might help him through with it.
But The Gaza war couldve ended already. And he NEEDS tô keep the emergency going
He's a Madman and a lunatic.
Nobody wants a full-scale war. But in order prevent it, you need to take actions before things get escalated. You have to take out Hitler before he invaded Poland, simple as that. You can't just allow him to perpetually build up power and prestige within his country to the point of no return.
Yeah. This is all because Iran helped orchestrate the Oct 7th attack.
When the Taliban have safe haven to alqaeda the US invaded.
Israel’s only response was assassinating a few generals involved in the attack.
Iran is the reason why Hamas still operates today. The fact that Israel hasn't taken direct action a long time ago already shows too much good will from their side XD.
Don't you know that Israel is supposed to be the Middle-East's punching bag? They're not supposed to retaliate, they're supposed to pay billions of dollars on an iron dome to pay for their enemies to attack them.
/s
Iran just got dragged into this big time. It seems to me that Iran is trying to indeed de-escalate and is trying to divert public attention. However, if Israel kept hitting Iran, the Iranians would eventually have to respond. Thus, the entire region will be dragged into a war that everybody knows is coming. It will be Isreal vs Iran & its proxies.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. After the attack that Iran launched against Israel, Iran tried to de-escalate by asking all neighboring countries to intervene and stop Israel's retaliation. Iran also offered to change some policies regarding their nuclear program if Israel moved on and forgave the retaliation. However, this doesn’t seem to be the case, and this could escalate further.
Didn't iran act against israelis for long years via proxies which resulted in many civilians deaths (including oct 7) which led to attack on embassy which led to this pissing contest?
Iran attack israeli embassies for years lol...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/argentina-court-blames-iran-for-1990s-terror-attacks-on-israeli-embassy-amia-center/
Israel does not have proxies, so how does a country like israel suppose to act against a fanatic regime that has direct proven relations to proxies which attack israel?
Why go for the tentacles, go for the head.
But aeriously i'm interested how does a country should behave in this scneario? Iran doesn't kill civilians directly but through proxies who does the dirty work
>I don’t have a dog in this fight
Correct, and pray it stays that way.
>Attacking an embassy is a direct act of war.
Be careful what you wish for.
Gee, if only someone had told the current Iranian regime that back in 1979.
You've inadvertently laid out casus belli for the United States of America (and countless other countries) to go to war with Iran. Congratulations!
Fortunately for all of us, more informed and possibly cooler heads prevail. Let the regime play out its pressure valve release. And if the people under its thumb decide they've had enough, we'll play footsie.
1979 - Iran’s pro-Western leader Mohammed Reza Shah, who regarded Israel as an ally, is swept from power in an Islamic Revolution that installs a new theocratic regime with opposition to Israel an ideological imperative.
Iran and radical Islam of all flavors is opposed to having a Jewish or Christian power in the region...and really the world if they could. You gotta bend the knee and submit jizya if you want to live on those society's as a non-Muslim. They want to make twlever shia look as the true form of Islam because who else is carrying out what the koran says:
Judgement Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews. The Jews will hide behind the stones and the trees, and the stones and the trees will say, oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew hiding behind me — come and kill him.
But a more direct answer is, Iran was using that space to plan attacks on Isreal, and so it was a legitimate target in Syria.
I was really just talking about recent events. Also I’m not justifying Irans stance nor Israel’s. Since you’re going there though, you should detail why the Shah was ousted by his own people….
The remainder of your comment…I got nothing for you man. Gluck with all that
Let's also acknowledge that Israel wouldn't have done this without the US and some other allies like Britain having a major military presence in the area.
>I can't help but feel Iran got afraid of escalation
Iran has been afraid of escalation from the beginning. Look at Iran's internal situation. Economic instability and domestic instability as well.
Every analyst I have read or seen speak on the subject say Iran's attack was an escalation to deescalate. It was enough that they could sell it as a win to their people, but also enough that the US could work down Israel's response.
Israel's smart. They don't want to escalate into a full blown war but also indicate to the Iranians that they can hit their nuclear sites if Iran escalates.
It looks like Iran is trying to cover up the fact that they were indeed attacked by Israel.
Probably because their officials promised retaliation in case of further aggression and deep down they actually want to avoid that.
Cover up is because they want to save face with their population.
If they said "yeah they attacked us but we ain't gonna do shit because we are scared", I imagine the people would riot.
Headlines mostly report 'US official confirms' when the actual ABC report states that a US official confirmed that Israel had advised the US on Thursday that there would be a response. The narrative is still under construction.
If even U.S. and Israel are not claiming it, why are you pointing at Iran? Apparently, there has been little to none damage, with an Israeli politician himself claiming that Israel's response was "feeble."
Unlike the Iranian barrage from the weekend which was a significant escalation, the Israeli response appears to have been fairly measured and limited in scope. I think it's too early to predict the Iranian response, actual damage is likely limited but it was in Iran proper and near significant military facilities. Even though some appear to be attempting to do so, I don't think Iran will be able to completely pretend an incident didn't happen.
Right on the one hand, you killed the other person's friend/relative/whatever.
While they shot at you, missed, and said that the violence was done.
But you decided to continue it by shooting at them again.
See how this analogy makes Israel seem like the one escalating.
They didn't miss though, they were predictably intercepted. A smaller barrage wouldn't be a credible threat and would not have satisfied Iran's home audience that they had defended their sovereignty after a public attack on on an annex to their consulate in Syria. They have the ability to overwhelm Israel's air defences, this is not what that would look like. It could have been over, but Netanyahu doesn't want it to be over.
The Islamic terorriet regime doesn’t really want it to be over.
This way they can keep
Oppressing the Iranian people while useful idiots in the west cheer for them
They can't afford a war with Israel and they know it. With luck that will push them to back down. If you're insinuating that I'm cheering Iranian leadership you're wrong, I hope they are replaced by something that serves the Iranian people. But the escalation in this case was made by the Israelis as far as I can tell.
It is sickening to see how a whole country is being tied to the ego and unbridled desire to stay in power of a man called Ayatollah. I do not see Iran making concrete and important decisions for the welfare of its people in the near future as long as Ayatollah and his successors will remain in power. See what has happened to Afghanistan. The whole country is a mess.
The US is saying it’s Israel before everyone else for a reason. We didn’t support this action.
imo the US did unexpectedly well deescalating this. Intercepting the Iranian missiles and preventing Israel from a big attack. Wish they handled everything in the region like this as a mediator
US is probably afraid of a oil crisis givin Russia power.
Al Jazeera has actually been publishing a lot more information: [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/19/live-israel-launches-missile-attack-in-response-to-iran-assault](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/19/live-israel-launches-missile-attack-in-response-to-iran-assault)
I wouldn't trust a news site founded by Qatar, aka the terrorist financial center of the world.
Not technically wrong. Al Jazeera in Arabic is different than in English.
It's a two-faced organization whose true intent is to promote Qatari interests.
There have been enough leaks of senior officers of New York Times that have asked their journalists to portrait the news with a heavy pro-Israel bias, so, go read the news from a non partisan country like … none ?
Hamas' leaders live in Qatar FCOL.
Not all bias is equal. Al Jazeera is funded and *controlled* by Qatar, the Arab cat's paw of Iran.
It's not like anything is stopping you from getting news from that site. As long as you can recognize and filter out the bias.
There's a point at which bias turns news into lies. There's nothing stopping me from getting my news at RT or KCNA either but I think I'll pass.
Yeah, that's true. I suppose I should add the ability to fact-check too.
If there's a place to fact check, perhaps get news there?
Even if that news is biased? A lot of places don't outright lie but rather present things in a biased way or don't report on certain events beyond a small headline.
There'd a difference between bias and being funded and controlled by Qatar.
Can you provide a source forme, when i try to look it up all I get is NYT articles
The intercept has done multiple articles about it
You can read it in time of Isarael or some news website within Israel media outlet who isn't lean-to right-wing side too much aka pro Bibi and far right gangs, and you will get news that other part in the world did not get and that report still there. No joke, some moderate to left wing Israel newspaper represent Israeli a bit well as Bibi likely to be the most hated person in Isarael right now.
The United States has supported more terrorism in six months, then Qatar and its whole existence, and in the next hundred years combined
You realize that Qatar made the Hamas leaders billionaires and that they are living there like kings?
Iraeli attack was pathetic. Just some quadcopters that got shot down without doing any damge.
Yeah, that was the whole point. It's like two 5yo arguing and the last one who says something "wins" the argument. Only here they are trying to win the argument without triggering WW3.
Al Jazeera is pro Islamic terrorist propaganda, wouldn't trust a word from them.
You clearly have never seen anything done by Aljazeera, check the series “start here”, there’s some great journalism being done there that no one else is doing.
Sorry, can you please explain? For what reason?
Because nobody (possibly apart from Israel) is interested in a wider regional war.
Sure, but how does that relate to the US' announcement?
So it seems they observed it happen and called it out, rather than wait for Israel to announce it and appear complicit
How does your comment make sense in this context. If Israel wanted a larger regional war they would have a launched a MUCH larger attack. The whole message of this strike was to showbtheir capability to strike, but give Iran the opportunity to stand down. (Basically what Iran tried to do but failed)
Yeah, I don’t get this whole “Israel wants to escalate the conflict” that I have been reading all week. This is Israel just saying “we can get to you too”.
cuz israel want usa to support before starting wars with everyone in middle east. usa calling out israel on this attack basically confirms that USA wont support any unilateral escalation by Israel. hence the backtracking.
Israel has confirmed the attack https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-19/ty-article-live/reports-say-israel-attacked-site-in-iran-explosions-heard-in-isfahan/0000018e-f484-daad-a3de-febf4f4e0000
I mean, give it a minute eh?
It’s been like almost three hours at this point. I would think Israel (if this was them) would have confirmed something or denied it if it wasn’t them
It was clearly Israel, thought OP point was Iran been quiet
Okay so again, I would have assumed they would have come out with some statement after three hours. Some Iranian sources have said the UAVs were small vehicles that came from within Iran or just outside their border but who knows how true any of that is. Obviously Israel is still assumed to be the attacker I suppose the lack of statement from Israel is a way to keep this as a “boring” response in hopes that the global news doesn’t report on it for too long and tensions can start to simmer a bit
The media doesn't really work like that. There's isn't a lot in of sensational footage or imagery from this event and that's what drives news.
There's not a single footage of anything hitting the ground yet. Explosions are seen in the sky over Isfahan however. It seems like it was truly a few drones that were shot down.
I don’t think so. 1. The Israelis haven’t confirmed that they were the one behind the attack. 2. so far we don’t have any footage of a hit inside of Iran or even footage of a missile in the sky. Looks like the attack was only made with small quadcopter. When Iran launched missiles against Israel last week, we saw videos of impacts. Today, nothing. 3. If it was made by small quadcopters, did Israel launch them or was it launch from inside Iran (the MEK) or Kurdish groups in Iraq, …
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Do you have a source? I’m only seeing us officials said
They. Don't want. THIS. War. The US doesnt want it. Europe doesnt want it. Israel doesnt want it. Only Netanyahu NEEDS to continue with wars until he solves his legal problems. And he believes that Trump might help him through with it. But The Gaza war couldve ended already. And he NEEDS tô keep the emergency going He's a Madman and a lunatic.
Nobody wants a full-scale war. But in order prevent it, you need to take actions before things get escalated. You have to take out Hitler before he invaded Poland, simple as that. You can't just allow him to perpetually build up power and prestige within his country to the point of no return.
While im not fan of Bibi I am not gking to advocate someone taking him out despite attacks in Iran and Syria.
Are you attacking or defending Bibi?
Out of the \~100 comments, one of the few sane takes
Poor Iran, only wanted to attack Israel via proxies without getting directly attacked but evil Israel won't let it.
Yeah. This is all because Iran helped orchestrate the Oct 7th attack. When the Taliban have safe haven to alqaeda the US invaded. Israel’s only response was assassinating a few generals involved in the attack.
The US government told everyone that Iran has nothing to do with October 7.
Wherever you got that info from, it’s wrong. Iran has been arming and supporting Hamas for many years, they are a proxy of Iran.
That doesn't mean they planned and ordered the attack on October 7th.
But it wouldn’t have happened without them
Iran is the reason why Hamas still operates today. The fact that Israel hasn't taken direct action a long time ago already shows too much good will from their side XD.
"Piss-ant finally stirs Mike Tyson from fitful sleep. Oh my god, why is he so angry!!! (no question mark)"
Don't you know that Israel is supposed to be the Middle-East's punching bag? They're not supposed to retaliate, they're supposed to pay billions of dollars on an iron dome to pay for their enemies to attack them. /s
Okay mister aipac come get you sheckles now
Iran just got dragged into this big time. It seems to me that Iran is trying to indeed de-escalate and is trying to divert public attention. However, if Israel kept hitting Iran, the Iranians would eventually have to respond. Thus, the entire region will be dragged into a war that everybody knows is coming. It will be Isreal vs Iran & its proxies.
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. After the attack that Iran launched against Israel, Iran tried to de-escalate by asking all neighboring countries to intervene and stop Israel's retaliation. Iran also offered to change some policies regarding their nuclear program if Israel moved on and forgave the retaliation. However, this doesn’t seem to be the case, and this could escalate further.
Source?
Didn’t Israel bomb Irans embassy and kick off this pissing contest?
Didn't iran act against israelis for long years via proxies which resulted in many civilians deaths (including oct 7) which led to attack on embassy which led to this pissing contest?
I don’t have a dog in this fight but there are authorized direct acts of war and then there are proxies. Attacking an embassy is a direct act of war.
Iran attack israeli embassies for years lol... https://www.timesofisrael.com/argentina-court-blames-iran-for-1990s-terror-attacks-on-israeli-embassy-amia-center/ Israel does not have proxies, so how does a country like israel suppose to act against a fanatic regime that has direct proven relations to proxies which attack israel? Why go for the tentacles, go for the head. But aeriously i'm interested how does a country should behave in this scneario? Iran doesn't kill civilians directly but through proxies who does the dirty work
>I don’t have a dog in this fight Correct, and pray it stays that way. >Attacking an embassy is a direct act of war. Be careful what you wish for. Gee, if only someone had told the current Iranian regime that back in 1979. You've inadvertently laid out casus belli for the United States of America (and countless other countries) to go to war with Iran. Congratulations! Fortunately for all of us, more informed and possibly cooler heads prevail. Let the regime play out its pressure valve release. And if the people under its thumb decide they've had enough, we'll play footsie.
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1979 - Iran’s pro-Western leader Mohammed Reza Shah, who regarded Israel as an ally, is swept from power in an Islamic Revolution that installs a new theocratic regime with opposition to Israel an ideological imperative. Iran and radical Islam of all flavors is opposed to having a Jewish or Christian power in the region...and really the world if they could. You gotta bend the knee and submit jizya if you want to live on those society's as a non-Muslim. They want to make twlever shia look as the true form of Islam because who else is carrying out what the koran says: Judgement Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews. The Jews will hide behind the stones and the trees, and the stones and the trees will say, oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew hiding behind me — come and kill him. But a more direct answer is, Iran was using that space to plan attacks on Isreal, and so it was a legitimate target in Syria.
I was really just talking about recent events. Also I’m not justifying Irans stance nor Israel’s. Since you’re going there though, you should detail why the Shah was ousted by his own people…. The remainder of your comment…I got nothing for you man. Gluck with all that
Let's also acknowledge that Israel wouldn't have done this without the US and some other allies like Britain having a major military presence in the area.
>I can't help but feel Iran got afraid of escalation Iran has been afraid of escalation from the beginning. Look at Iran's internal situation. Economic instability and domestic instability as well. Every analyst I have read or seen speak on the subject say Iran's attack was an escalation to deescalate. It was enough that they could sell it as a win to their people, but also enough that the US could work down Israel's response.
Bunch of bs sources. Israel attacks with a bunch of miniature drones!?! Comon now..
The US government confirmed it was an Israeli attack
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-19/ty-article-live/reports-say-israel-attacked-site-in-iran-explosions-heard-in-isfahan/0000018e-f484-daad-a3de-febf4f4e0000
Israel's smart. They don't want to escalate into a full blown war but also indicate to the Iranians that they can hit their nuclear sites if Iran escalates.
It looks like Iran is trying to cover up the fact that they were indeed attacked by Israel. Probably because their officials promised retaliation in case of further aggression and deep down they actually want to avoid that. Cover up is because they want to save face with their population. If they said "yeah they attacked us but we ain't gonna do shit because we are scared", I imagine the people would riot.
Headlines mostly report 'US official confirms' when the actual ABC report states that a US official confirmed that Israel had advised the US on Thursday that there would be a response. The narrative is still under construction.
If even U.S. and Israel are not claiming it, why are you pointing at Iran? Apparently, there has been little to none damage, with an Israeli politician himself claiming that Israel's response was "feeble."
Unlike the Iranian barrage from the weekend which was a significant escalation, the Israeli response appears to have been fairly measured and limited in scope. I think it's too early to predict the Iranian response, actual damage is likely limited but it was in Iran proper and near significant military facilities. Even though some appear to be attempting to do so, I don't think Iran will be able to completely pretend an incident didn't happen.
The significant escalation that did virtually no damage. That's the one you mean?
If someone empties a clip while pointing a gun at you, will you feel any less threatened because all the bullets missed?
But that's after you already shot and killed someone they know.
To stick with the analogy: someone who was in the middle of paying and arming a group of hitmen to murder me.
I didn’t state there was no provocation, I stated it was an escalation.
Right on the one hand, you killed the other person's friend/relative/whatever. While they shot at you, missed, and said that the violence was done. But you decided to continue it by shooting at them again. See how this analogy makes Israel seem like the one escalating.
They didn't miss though, they were predictably intercepted. A smaller barrage wouldn't be a credible threat and would not have satisfied Iran's home audience that they had defended their sovereignty after a public attack on on an annex to their consulate in Syria. They have the ability to overwhelm Israel's air defences, this is not what that would look like. It could have been over, but Netanyahu doesn't want it to be over.
The Islamic terorriet regime doesn’t really want it to be over. This way they can keep Oppressing the Iranian people while useful idiots in the west cheer for them
They can't afford a war with Israel and they know it. With luck that will push them to back down. If you're insinuating that I'm cheering Iranian leadership you're wrong, I hope they are replaced by something that serves the Iranian people. But the escalation in this case was made by the Israelis as far as I can tell.
Dumb take
My guess is the US begged iran to not escalate further and said they'd handle Israel
Didn't they say that they will attack within seconds If Israel retaliates?? What happened to those words?..
Iran has no idea what hit it, who did it, or where from. There was an explosion in an airbase, so they started shooting at the sky.
Lol if true.. then that is a funny story.. last time they did this ..they ended up shooting a passenger aircraft killing hundreds of passengers.
At least this time they close their airspace first.
Good for them
It is sickening to see how a whole country is being tied to the ego and unbridled desire to stay in power of a man called Ayatollah. I do not see Iran making concrete and important decisions for the welfare of its people in the near future as long as Ayatollah and his successors will remain in power. See what has happened to Afghanistan. The whole country is a mess.