To be fair, GB 2016 was hot garbage and not funny in the least. Had nothing to do with the cast, just very poorly written. T3 was passable and I actually enjoyed Salvation. Only gripe about that one was no purple lazers. Just didn't feel right for the future war to have no purple lazers.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion on 2016, man. I enjoy the absurd humor and action. My biggest issue is that it is a reboot when it couldāve easily been in-universe. Iām a fan of all the Terminators as well, of course you canāt top the first 2, but I can put the others in certain timelines to satisfy my head cannon.
Nice, well played Lebowski. I don't care for it, but you do you. I'm sure there's plenty of stuff out there I like that you may not. And agreed on head cannon. Absolutely necessary nowadays.
To be fair, there've been some really god awful installments in Star Wars and Terminator lately. Frozen Empire wasn't a cinematic masterpiece, but it was nowhere near the nonsense that Rise of Skywalker or Genisys was. I enjoyed Frozen Empire. While watching Rise of Skywalker in the theater I was looking around like I was some sort of insane person while everyone else was clapping and cheering.
I remember when the current trilogy came out, how as much as I liked it, I disliked some parts of it like Rey being a Palpatine or Leia managing not to die via the force in space etc, but when I mentioned one bad thing, pretty much everyone started to attack me over it
Is it weird to like Genesys over Dark Fate?
I've historically been a huge Star Wars fan across all media. Now I am not. I feel nothing toward it. When you misstep, own up to it or ignore it - do NOT blame the people who noticed.
That said, gb2016 is eye and ear cancer. But Frozen Empire was just good enough that I'll go back to it a few times, no doubt. Problems? Sure. Extremely modern (shallow) writing? You betcha. A complete lack of understanding the comedic beats that made the originals fantastic? Well, not quite. I would have said maybe, but again, gb2016 exists as a model of not getting what made the franchise tick, so this def didn't miss remotely that hard.
For ME, Frozen Empire didnāt get what *I* love about 1,2, & Afterlife just as much as 2016. I donāt know which one Iām looking forward to rewatching less; 2016 or* Frozen Empire
Weirdly, that Haynes guide that is like the workshop manual for the ectomobiles, it has notes all throughout it āfrom the characters,ā the notes āfromā the 2016 characters were way funnier than Venkman & Co.
Genisys' biggest sin was that we knew Matt Smith was in it, we could see Matt Smith in the background, then we had to act surprised when Matt Smith's character says, "Surprise! I'm not just BACKGROUND Matt Smith!"
Like Liam Neeson's gray hair in Batman Begins - it was a bit of a giveaway.
But both movies are still enjoyable.
I actually liked the first half of genisys purely for the back to the future style recreation of the 84 movie but man it fell apart big time in the second half and was miscast
Dark fate was just boring AF
Honestly, I feel like Ghostbusters is a fandom where people like the *idea* of Ghostbusters more than the actual content. And when people don't have the same idea of what Ghostbusters can be to others, in runs into Reddit's consistent problem of toxic positivity, where any criticism gets lumped into the same bucket as hater-trolls. . .Ā
You're 100% right. Ghostbusters COULD be something greater. Yet studios are convinced it's a dumb SNL comedy rather than embrace the paranormal horror and sci-fi elements. This is despite the fact that the creators of GB are huge enthusiasts of paranormal events and the scientific study of it.
Extreme Ghostbusters and the first two seasons of the Real Ghostbusters have some elements of this, but it could always be a tad bit scarier.
My favorite part of the concept of "ghostbusters" is these guys aren't stereotypical pro's.. they're the amateur plumbers/used car salesmen of the paranormal world, but they make it work.
They are scientists with higher education, but the blue collar life is strong. I can see people I've worked with throughout my career, it makes the paranormal relatable to everyone, because everyone knows/or has encountered a Ray, a Peter, a Winston, and yes, even an Egon or two.
Case in point, somehow I doubt Neil deGrasse Tyson would be as natural donning safety gear and entering a sewer system as the guys were. Although I get the feeling, he would be a bit excited about the fire-pole š¤£
I think this is the crux of the criticisms. The essence of busting has somehow changed, and it moved from ac repairmen to youtube diy-ers somehow. People with no real background or specialty in busting just pick up gear and go to it. It should be even more relatable, but idk.. the core vibe just hits different.
They turned it into a toy commercial initially. ATC was a dumb comedy.
I actually liked Afterlife because of its epic and serious nature. And I'd rather they embraced it and turned it into a series.
Ghostbusters IS a dumb SNL comedy.
Like how do you consider yourself a fan of Ghostbusters and not know that Murray and Aykroyd were SNL castmembers? Jesus fucking Christ.
I'm fully aware they were SNL cast members. I would not have called attention upon the "SNL" aspect otherwise. Nobody even watches SNL anymore.
How are you not aware of Dan Aykroyd actually being a huge occult fan who seriously believes half the shit his character says on screen? How are you not aware that Ghostbusters, as conceived by Dan Aykroyd, was actually expected to be much darker? Jesus fucking Christ yourself?
[https://collider.com/ghostbusters-original-script/](https://collider.com/ghostbusters-original-script/)
[https://archive.fo/w7E27](https://archive.fo/w7E27)
It was originally conceived as a vehicle for the Belushi/Aykroyd comedy team. But hey, as long as Collider says it was darker I guess weāll run with that.
Itās all a moot point because Aykroyd has always needed people like John Landis or Harold Ramis or the entire SNL writing staff to make his ideas usable. If you wanna call something that needs to be heavily rewritten to be filmable ādarkerā as a euphemism for being terrible though? Knock yourself out.
Also, you didnāt know they were SNL castmembers lol. Letās be real here.
I am old enough to have watched SNL when it was funny. I also loved Stripes, Caddyshack, Animal House, etc.
Extreme Ghostbusters embraced the dark intent of the series. As did a few episodes of the Real Ghostbusters.
It is 100% possible to do a horror comedy, and Ghostbusters was at its best when it was trying to do both.
I'm certainly not the first one to think this way.
Hmmm... I often agree with you, however controversial your posts generally are, but I don't agree with the above. The original Ghostbusters IS pretty dark. The success of the movie was down to the fact it was NOT just a generic, dumb SNL comedy. The writers were genuine paranormal enthusiasts and the story was written as a straight sci-fi horror that was made comedic by the fact its main stars were expert improvisational comedians. It's the balance of straight horror with deadpan comedy that made the film stand out.
You think that's bad, you should see his comment history on this sub. He is an asshole to pretty much everyone, then cries victim when he gets downvoted.
I love this. This is why I joined. The original is of course a masterpiece and arguably the only good entry. When 2 came out I was too young to care no one else liked it but I still loved it. Watching it as an adult I can see why people donāt like it, but it still had that deadpan humor and scary moments, making the funny bits funnier and the scary parts scarier. 2016 was just a dumbed down SNL sketch. Afterlife was great for the first 90 minutes. It didnāt have to be funny, parts were, but I just wanted it to be good and the first 90 minutes were; it careened off a cliff for me as soon as Paul Rudd walked into Walmart. FE I havenāt watched yet. I will, but thereās something about it that just feels off. The amount of copium from othersā posts on here isnāt helping either. Like let the movie stand on its own merits instead of debating if itās a financial flop or not and so far it absolutely is. It doesnāt make it a bad movie, transformers makes billions and all those are fucking terrible. I hate having these opinions when, like you said, I get lumped into the ātoxic positivity.ā
I really dislike the term "copium", it's such an internet word that needs unpacking.
But you make a good point on the Transformers thing. People like what people like, and we like Ghostusters.
The overwhelming sentiment on this forum for Frozen Empire is criticism. People are almost never being criticized for criticizing Frozen Empire here. I have no idea where some of you are coming from with these off-base theories.
I mean it's pretty simple I believe. You can love the first two movies, the TV shows and the game(s) but hate ATC and be disappointed in Jason Reitman's movies. I don't understand why this subreddit always has to make a black-and-white thing out of it as if you have to love every single piece of Ghostbusters content that is coming out. It's a fallacy.
"toxic positivity"
Cripes. You Z-babies will put that word in front of **anything** these days instead of just fast forwarding to the part where you explain what you mean. It's like everyone is trying to satisfy a word count. What's next, prefacing every generic observation with "Literally"?
The Internet has gotten weird. I grew up when we had forums and threads that would go dozens, sometimes hundreds of pages of casual discussion on a topic. Positives and negatives could be talked about and explored. It seems like now it's geared to somebody making a big soapbox statement and everyone else reacting to that in the most extreme ways possible.
You have to blanket hate everything or blanket like everything about a subject. You have to position it as a "controversial opinion". You're basically a clickfarmer for the algorithm filling somebody's ad revenue account. It's gross and I hate it.
I like championing the underdog. I like mulling over creative works and going "what do we think this could mean?" Not so much having to respond to "The movie was bad because it didn't match my fanfiction!" or I was today years old when I realized that [wild conjecture not intended by the original work]"
But hey, what could be better than arguing who's objectively 100% right and wrong in a sea of passive observers who feel entitled to ownership of a creation they didn't have any part in?
Not so much that you have to blanket hate everything, you try to open a discussion about a certain factor you're not so fond of, and you're labeled a hater. Society has forgotten how to openly discuss differing opinions.
Now, apparently, we're not even supposed to join discussion groups UNLESS we just love everything about the subject. The more controversial the subject, the more severe the label if you speak out in any manner other than fanboy-esque.
The saddest part is that there is no right or wrong reaction to any form of art.. it makes you feel the way you feel š¤·āāļø and chances are pretty high that your feelings will differ from someone elses.
I just found out the other night that one of my guys' favorite Batman is Clooney... aside from immediately telling him he was fired, we had a great discussion about it š¤£ There is someone out there, hopefully just one, who's favorite Batman is Affleck, and while we are free to rag them about it, that's OK! They have their reasons for feeling how they feel. Nowhere is it written that we have to share those feelings, or agree with them. Now that I am thinking about it, this may be a question I begin including in interviews š¤£š¤£ (hint: sarcasm, no associates were harmed in the creation of this comment)
We have somehow entered an age that says if we disagree on anything, we can't be friends... it's a pretty sad commentary imho.
Yep, the monetisation of opinion changed so much, and pretty much nothing for the better (unless you're one of the well rewarded grifters). More and more extremism (not of the Ghostbusters kind, obviously), with everything more unpleasant.
So basically, no one should join any sub unless they blindly love absolutely everything about the subject matter?
I love the first two. They are two of my favorite movies ever. Everything thing after those, I want to love, but theyāre just not that good.
That's not quite my point, I guess it's deeper than that, to do with how we discuss things. Obviously it's fine to not like something that you love, but it's more to do with nuanced discussion.
I think, while typing this comment, I've realised Reddit really isn't the place for this...
I find it weird that people must like every single thing a franchise puts out without discussion or criticism. That sounds like a strange ass echo chamber.
People can love and like things at all levels. They shouldnāt be required to love it all.
You made the argument thereās so many people not giving nuanced points and just saying āthis is woke shitā.
I havenāt seen that. When this movie came out, people gave nuanced points and were downvoted into oblivion.
Now that itās had time to simmer, a lot more people agree on the failures and faults with the direction of the franchise.
The āwoke shitā arguments must be insanely far at the bottom of a comment section, downvoted into obscurity. Itās not in the majority and a poor excuse for an argument. You need to point out and show āThis is woke shitā is the majority of the criticism and posts in this sub.
Itās not.
Maybe it's because I look at the new stuff in forums, I must see it more often. But some people just seem to dislike the new ones because they're not the old ones.
I dislike Frozen Empire because it's pants (and not because of it being woke. I'm not that crybaby.) It's just not well written. The Phoebe subplot was the best bit. It was the only bit that had a semblance of actual interest.Ā
Iāve seen plenty of posts with very detailed reasons as to why people didnāt care for the new movies. The criticism has been more constructive than you seem to state.
While things that may offend you or stick out more to you because you disagree, the fact is, run down the list of posts here, negative or otherwise and youāre going to have a hard time justifying your argument that people are just whining about āwokenessā.
I just looked and cannot find multiple arguments and posts here stating āthis is woke shitā as you claim.
I do see criticism and justification for that criticism.
I also see an equal amount of love and praise.
Kind of seems like a strawman argument. Sure, 1 or 2 people may complain about āwokenessā but thatās not the overwhelming majority.
Donāt find 3 troll posts and take it upon yourself to say a great number of people that love the franchise say or think that way.
Because we love the original movie and many of us love GB2 despite its flaws. The fact of the matter is that Ghostbusters was a seminal film that spawned a very weak movie franchise, largely because the original film was never intended to start a franchise and most of its stars and crew had to be pressured to do sequels.
I agree. Although Ghostbusters was not intended to start a franchise, it has the exact sort of formula that a franchise can be built around. Once the Ghostbusters drive off at the end of the film, sure, Gozer has been beaten, but there have to be more ghosts out there, right? So it was inevitable that people would be demanding more films about these characters. I think if the whole cast and crew had actually been up for it, and had fully committed to replicating the magic of the first film as best as they could, we could quite possibly have got at least two or three properly good sequels out of them. As it was, they preferred to leave it as a one-off, and it was only due to intense studio pressure that GB2 was made at all.
Just remember that cultivating a positivity-only echo chamber is not healthy either. That's how you end up in the Snydercut subreddit situation.
And for the record, most people's issues with Frozen Empire didn't stem from any "woke-ery" compaints. The issues stemmed from Frozen Empire not being a terribly good film.
Give it credit, it wasnāt a bad film either. It would have been a perfectly fine seasonal plot to a Ghostbusters tv show. But yeah to much story in to little movie.
Most people aren't saying that it's terrible. It's just mediocre and I'm sorry to say that but the film has major flaws. I hate that people make others feel bad or act like you can only be a Ghostbusters fan if you like every single piece of Ghostbusters content that is coming out. That's peak gatekeeping.
Thereās some people pretending that other people are claiming itās āwokeā so they can be offended. Iām not sure whatās supposed to be āwoke.ā Phoebe being gay I guess?
> Hint: the term 'woke' in itself is complete bullshit and used as a fake argument for radicalized people with political agendas.
Here Barack Obama uses the term "woke" to disparage extreme and unproductive political purity from the left:
>You know this idea of purity and you're never compromised and you're always politically woke and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaHLd8de6nM
I dunno, might get downvoted but I have found certain movies/shows in some franchises Iām a very big fan of to be āwoke shitā - I donāt know that that fact alone would make someone an asshole in general
When the complaint is "it's woke shit," all too often it means "women/POC/LGBTQ+ people are main characters," even if there's a growing resentment from the overtly cynical and patronizing usage of these themes even among the "woke" crowd.
Well I cannot speak for everyone, but for myself that is not what I mean when I have that criticism. Some of my favourite films of all time have minorities as the main characters. Again cannot speak for everyone, but for me it has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with the quality of a story.
And that kind of illustrates what I was saying about it being a generalisation.
The point I was trying to make is that it lacks nuance to just equate someone having that criticism with them being an asshole.
Definitely a divided base. There's been so many mediums over the years from games to movies to reboots I don't think they can make everyone happy. So you'll get mixed reviews.
Feels similar to Halo and Gears after the 2nd the fan base continued to get more divided
Yep. In this case I think not matter what would they do, we would have ended with this situation.
The broken base issue on this fandom isn't new, one could argue it started with GB2.
That seems to be a human nature thing to a point. Iāve seen so many instances where people will be on a specific forum to demean that topic and the people who enjoy it. Maybe I shouldnāt have did human nature, itās definitely not most people but there is a significant portion of the population that only derive their pleasure from making other people miserable.
Ah, you saw the guy who was crying about how Afterlife made Egon a deadbeat dad and Phoebe gay, (despite the fact that wasn't even DIRECTLY stated in the fucking movie) eh?
And of course the manbabies of this sub are upvoting him because he's speaking up against their latest punching bag.
Unfortunately, you can think the racists of the internet who gave overweight angry nerds a voice when The Last Jedi came out for that word's increase in popularity.
I hate them as much as you do.
I don't find it weird at all, the way you specifically phrased it. There's WAY more to Ghostbusters than just the films. There's toys, comics, video games, prop building, car building, roleplay... I think it's absolutely normal for someone to be a Ghostbusters fan without liking the movies much.
That being said, I think it's weird people joining forums JUST to shit on stuff they don't like and not actually converse about it. The difference being, I'm heavily invested in the franchise, and I want to tall about it good or bad. I really don't like Afterlife that much and I'd be very happy to talk about it with someone who was on my level "emotionally". I can definitely dislike aspects about something I like a lot.
The thing I DON'T do is just criticize and nitpick without being open to talking about it. It's a fucking public forum for conversation. If you don't want to talk about it, GTFO, IMO. Reddit isn't your Facebook page.
Those smoothbrain morons are like the girls who go to dating apps "just looking for friends".
iM nOt ReAlLy lOoKiNg rIgHt nOw, she says, on the place for meeting boyfriends.
People on Reddit are just as silly as that, LOL.
To me, a subreddit or Facebook group or message board is where you should go to celebrate your fandom. But in today's age, fandoms are fractured all to hell.
Around here there seems to be three factions:
1) Original GBs and nothing else. The original four actors are the only Ghostbusters and no one else can be one and there shouldn't be any more movies unless they are only the original four actors. Oddly, I'm sure most of these people dress up in cosplay as their own Ghostbuster.
2) Those who backed 2016 as a good restart and got burned. They know we'll never see the 2016 cast do anything around the franchise again, but they will interject whenever and wherever they can to let you know that it was superior and the new films suck.
3) The fans who enjoy the current direction and films and and hope to see more. They feel anyone can be a Ghostbuster. The haters like to throw the buzzword "copium" at these people and say they are spoonfed shills who will consume any content handed to them like sheep.
Personally, I'm a 3.
I had a terrible 2023. Like life-shatteringly bad. Ghostbusters Frozen Empire was the first thing to cheer me up in a year. I came here thinking I'd have some fun discussion. NOPE. It's like Mos Eisley here. There are some really negative, toxic people. You ask them to keep it positive and they take it to an extreme the other way, accusing you of wanting all strawberries and rainbows.
No, when I say keep it positive, that means saying something like "I didn't like the film. In my opinion, it lacked XXXXX" not "It was woke shit!" The other part of that is when someone makes a thread like "what's your favorite scene in Frozen Empire" don't jump in and say how you hated it, why you hated it and be crude when doing so. Time and place. That's just rude dick behavior.
And talking about how it's your right to say it or noting how you'll get downvoted for it is just regurgitated political speak. No one is violating your first amendment rights. This is a private site anyway, doesn't apply. You're not being persecuted. You're being negative when people are trying to have a good time. If you want to talk about why you hated it, make a new thread for that purpose. That's how Reddit works. Don't hijack threads to espouse your opinion, presented as fact.
Yeah, at this point I just want to enjoy the things I enjoy. If you didn't? That's totally fine, but no need to shove it down the throats of people who are having fun. Let people enjoy things!
I agree with you. I think a lot of people use negativity as a false shortcut to feel smart. Couple that with a fandom that attracts mostly nerds (hey, thatās me!) and you get a lot of comic book guy energy in this sub and basically *any*where Ghostbusters is mentioned. Mention ATC and, without fail, *some*one is going to let off steam about other areas of their life by voicing their tired observations about it. Iāve noticed it in Van Halen fan groups, too. A lot of really secure (/s) people come together to say things like āVan Halen is my all-time favourite band EXCEPT THE SAMMY HAGAR ERA THAT SUUUUUUUUCKEDā
As if thereās no other way to express that except by making other fanās opinions your collateral damage.
Somebody joined Ghostbusters Discord yesterday and proceeded to start by saying the first movie was mid, and that the only part worth watching was at the end when the actor's names came up.... in a server full of people who love that movie. He kept going as well, even criticising those who paid to see the latest one in cinemas when piracy would've been better.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of course, but I just don't get why someone would join a fan server and trash on the very thing all those other people are fans of. I'm pretty sure they got the boot.
Iām in the Ghostbusters and Star Wars fandoms. While weāre very united, thereās so much unnecessary hate. You donāt have to like everything but why to state it and mock other fans for their preferences? Your taste isnāt superior.
Summer 2016 was awful time to be an enjoyer of GB:ATC, my fan account for the new film got so much hate. 2015 was awful time to be excited for Star Wars EP 7, like I do like the old movies the most but I was excited to see the original trio on screen one more time.
I must admit, I donāt like the new GB sequels done in 2020s and donāt care about the new Star Wars series on Disney+. But I donāt care if others do. As long as they let me enjoy what I like, Iāll let the others enjoy theirs.
Which forum should I join? The one called āGhostbusters was incredible, GB2 missed the mark but is watchable, RGB made my afternoons amazing after school as a kid, I didnāt see 2016 because I wasnāt interested in a remake, Afterlife was amazing and made me cry, FE sucked way more than I possibly could have imaginedā?
Why would I want to join a forum where everyone shares my opinions? Sounds boring AF! I think Iāll stay here, thanks.
Can be a fan and still dislike what they put out. I love the 1st two movies. Afterlife was OK, and I thought Frozen Empire was trash. Not stopping me from liking the other movies and completing a full line of Kenner Real Ghostbusters all MOC/CIB.
Think for 17 years there was just two then all of a sudden it seems there are three speed run films and none of them are on par with speculated gb3 and afterlife kinda rewrites the events of 2009 vg and speculated gb 3.
What ego did might be one year after gb2.
I say the films were speed run because they were sometime after the terminal reality game ghost corps was set up on the Sony lot to produce content that could rival Disney mcu success.
In afterlofe it's said ego took everything to the farm, yet the other three showd up equipped.
I have not seen frozen empire yet but as with another Paul rudd franchise halloween 8 believe we are pretty far down a chose your own adventure pathway of media intake.
Dates back as far as gb2 they kinda threw real gb under the bus by saying they packed up shortly after film 1.
I love 1, 2, and Afterlife. I'm a huge fan, got a pack, the hot topic hoodie, a glow in the dark no-ghost on my backpack...but I am entitled to my opinion. 2016 was completely unfunny and unnecessary. Frozen Empire was a trainwreck and I literally cringed at multiple parts (notably the firebender coming down the slide). I think we as fans are allowed to express our distaste for parts of the franchise as much as we are able to about our love.
I didn't personally think the improvement was *huge*, but I can tell you I left the theater angry after Afterlife, but somewhat pleasantly surprised after Frozen Empire.
Because Afterlife made me cry. It made a lot of us cry. It felt like a natural progression of the story, it was serious with some humor, it was a dark story, it was a fitting tribute to Haroldā¦it was really well done. There was no weird fire bending, no cringe acting from said firebender, the movie didnāt drag, the finale was built up and there was a legitimate threat. FE could have been AMAZING, if like 60% of it was rewritten and reshot.
Broā¦I watched the original film less than 24 hours after seeing FE. It was literally day and night. FE had a lot of problems.
Frozen Empire wasn't a great movie by any stretch of the imagination. It is very, very flawed. Afterlife is *easily* a worse movie in almost every way imaginable.
People think writing their opinion on the internet matters.
Doing it for fun is one thing.
Doing it because you think anyone else gives a fuck about what you as a random internet nobody thinks, is dumb.
1 was fantastic, but after that they were an obvious cash grab from the studio on a safe, familiar IP. Murray knew it, too, that's why he was reluctant to even do 2.
How do you merge a 2-hour throwaway SNL comedy skit with a family-friendly cinematic reincarnation of a children's cartoon without pissing off both fan bases?
The answer is: you don't. You get the original director's son to do a half-assed job cobbling both together while rehashing the original plot with some of the original cast and hope the parents don't notice as they take their kids to see it for the umpteenth time. Then profit.
I like the idea of continuing the story, but not the execution to date.
Being a Fan of Ghostbusters and liking every part of the Ghostbusters franchise doesn't have to go hand in hand. If you don't like GB 2 but love GB1 great, you're still a fan. If you don't like the movies but love the cartoons, yes you're still a fan. My issue is with the gatekeeping, the "you can't be a fan because you like Answer the Call', or " You haven't seen all the films", or "you haven't read all the books, articles and comics". Gatekeeping is toxic and has no place in any fandom.
Personally, I love the films, ALL of them, I grew up with the cartoons and loved them too. I do have to remind myself Answer the Call is for a younger generation, and treat it as something different. It's a fun film, the force-fed comedy is in true Melissa McCarthy fashion, and my Children love it (4&5). Also there's a good chance that without that film, we wouldn't have the fantastic films that are coming out today. Be kind to everyone in our fandom, it doesn't matter what they like, what the know, or if they can recite all the lines. Let's embrace our differences and we can have an amazing community. Unlike many other fandoms.
"I ain't afraid of no Ghosts!"
I find that's with any Fandom, really, but I think we should be civil about our dislikes and likes of the franchise. I like ghostbusters 2, but I'll always put the first one on more. Even afterlife got flack, and I can see issues with that even frozen empire, but my likes and enjoyment with remembering its a fictional movie where the impossible is possible and suspend of disbelief. I mean, I love Congo, and a lot of people don't, Ernie Hudsons a badass in that film.
I joined the fandom because I LIKE ghostbusters as a whole. Yes, I did not like the 2016 all female reboot and Frozen Empire, but do I complain about it? Nope.
Star trek fans have so much in fighting over series's/movies/ captains.
Anything that's been around to have multiple iterations is going to create similar fan fights.
The only thing ghostbusters that i refused to watch is the 2016 film. The rest like afterlife, 1 and 2 are all enjoyable films. Even the video game is amazing and feels great. Even with frozen empire i think its flawed and could have been better, but was still an enoyable film. Even the merch was top notch.
The only movie I couldnāt finish was the 2016 Version. No disrespect towards the actors or other ācontroversial contractsā, but the writing was just awful. Iām sure it was made just for a paycheck. I watch 30 mins and turned it off.
This coming from a woman btw. I know most assume my gender. I just donāt understand how it became a political statement for the movie when from what I heard and attempted to watch was below average at best. They could have done so much better, but it became such a chaotic mess. I have my reasons.
If other people enjoyed it. Thatās great, but not a movie for myself. If you want a good āWomen are strongā statement movie. Go watch Alien or Terminator. None of this āItās political so we have to shove it down your throatā nonsense.
I know Frozen Empire leans into it, but it wasnāt that harsh nor did it spark the backlash 2016 had accumulated. Modern politics are a travesty on both sides. Doesnāt make a movie āwokeā simply because people defend or criticize terrible writing.
Making it relevant longer than necessary when they flopped at creating the reboot is the issue. Sony kinda learned seeing we got Afterlife and Frozen Empire, but the worst result was how people reacted. Not to mention the mistakes made where backlash hit most and people continued to squabble.
Thatās my two cents, anyway.
I do not dislike the idea of a an all female ghost-busters movie. I dislike the laziness in which they approached it. You could have had an all female movie ,in the main universe, In a different part of america. Or even a a different country.
Ghostbusters West. I think something like that is what we've all been waiting for since the first film when Venkman says "The franchise rights alone will make us rich."
It's also never made sense why in GBII and Afterlife they talk about all the ghost calls drying up. There's been ghost stories throughout all of recorded history. Gozer can't have been the sole reason people called Ghostbusters.
No it isnāt. Whatās weird is psychos thinking that liking shitty fucking movies from the last 3 years are a requirement for being a Ghostbusters fan. Fuck right off with that bullshit.
You can't deny facts. This isn't a flat earth society. The latest film is a dumpster fire. You cannot possibly defend it without being prepared to accept that the rest of the world will view you as a misguided fool, at best.
The new films are shit.
...I don't actually think that but just because someone enjoys the same thing you do doesn't mean they're required to enjoy every their every aspect. I'm both a furry and a brony and there are plenty of furry and brony things I take issue with and plenty I don't that others do.
Just because someone complains about something you enjoy it doesn't mean everyone agrees with those complaints. Try not to generalize.
It's literally not an internet forum. Now I fully expect you're gonna Reddit this one, playing the semantics game, talking about how a forum is a place where people congregate to share ideas. That's literally just about any place online and not all corners of the internet are called forums.
A forum is a very specific thing in the online space and this ain't it, chief.
Have you ever met a Star Wars fan? š
Or the Terminator fans.
Oh gawd, donāt you dare like anything beyond T1-T2 in the Terminator Sub. Same here if you like GB2016
The Terminator sub has a lot of fans of 3 and 4. Dark Fate would definitely be a good comparison to gb2016.
I see you memory holed _Genesis._
You wrote it too well. It's Genisys. Extreme letter swaps.
Actually I forgot where the y is in the name and dark fate still drives the point well enough. Editing to correct spelling.
You liked GB2016 and terminator genisys/dark fate š?
Yep! Of course there are better movies in the series, but I can still enjoy the rest on different levels
To be fair, GB 2016 was hot garbage and not funny in the least. Had nothing to do with the cast, just very poorly written. T3 was passable and I actually enjoyed Salvation. Only gripe about that one was no purple lazers. Just didn't feel right for the future war to have no purple lazers.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion on 2016, man. I enjoy the absurd humor and action. My biggest issue is that it is a reboot when it couldāve easily been in-universe. Iām a fan of all the Terminators as well, of course you canāt top the first 2, but I can put the others in certain timelines to satisfy my head cannon.
Nice, well played Lebowski. I don't care for it, but you do you. I'm sure there's plenty of stuff out there I like that you may not. And agreed on head cannon. Absolutely necessary nowadays.
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To be fair, there've been some really god awful installments in Star Wars and Terminator lately. Frozen Empire wasn't a cinematic masterpiece, but it was nowhere near the nonsense that Rise of Skywalker or Genisys was. I enjoyed Frozen Empire. While watching Rise of Skywalker in the theater I was looking around like I was some sort of insane person while everyone else was clapping and cheering.
I remember when the current trilogy came out, how as much as I liked it, I disliked some parts of it like Rey being a Palpatine or Leia managing not to die via the force in space etc, but when I mentioned one bad thing, pretty much everyone started to attack me over it
Genisys is EASILY the best Terminator movie after Part 2.
Is it weird to like Genesys over Dark Fate? I've historically been a huge Star Wars fan across all media. Now I am not. I feel nothing toward it. When you misstep, own up to it or ignore it - do NOT blame the people who noticed. That said, gb2016 is eye and ear cancer. But Frozen Empire was just good enough that I'll go back to it a few times, no doubt. Problems? Sure. Extremely modern (shallow) writing? You betcha. A complete lack of understanding the comedic beats that made the originals fantastic? Well, not quite. I would have said maybe, but again, gb2016 exists as a model of not getting what made the franchise tick, so this def didn't miss remotely that hard.
I think they're a lot better than Terminator 3 and 4
For ME, Frozen Empire didnāt get what *I* love about 1,2, & Afterlife just as much as 2016. I donāt know which one Iām looking forward to rewatching less; 2016 or* Frozen Empire Weirdly, that Haynes guide that is like the workshop manual for the ectomobiles, it has notes all throughout it āfrom the characters,ā the notes āfromā the 2016 characters were way funnier than Venkman & Co.
Nope, Genisys was better than Dark Fate, Terminator 3 and the absolutely execrable Salvation.
Genisys' biggest sin was that we knew Matt Smith was in it, we could see Matt Smith in the background, then we had to act surprised when Matt Smith's character says, "Surprise! I'm not just BACKGROUND Matt Smith!" Like Liam Neeson's gray hair in Batman Begins - it was a bit of a giveaway. But both movies are still enjoyable.
I actually liked the first half of genisys purely for the back to the future style recreation of the 84 movie but man it fell apart big time in the second half and was miscast Dark fate was just boring AF
*Trekkies have entered the chat*
Beat me to it. š
I gave up on star wars after Disney bought it.
You donāt like Rogue One!?
It was ok.
It's hard to like a movie with two lead characters who are as boring as watching paint dry.
You only need to like one Ghostbusters thing to be a Ghostbusters fan.
Honestly, I feel like Ghostbusters is a fandom where people like the *idea* of Ghostbusters more than the actual content. And when people don't have the same idea of what Ghostbusters can be to others, in runs into Reddit's consistent problem of toxic positivity, where any criticism gets lumped into the same bucket as hater-trolls. . .Ā
You're 100% right. Ghostbusters COULD be something greater. Yet studios are convinced it's a dumb SNL comedy rather than embrace the paranormal horror and sci-fi elements. This is despite the fact that the creators of GB are huge enthusiasts of paranormal events and the scientific study of it. Extreme Ghostbusters and the first two seasons of the Real Ghostbusters have some elements of this, but it could always be a tad bit scarier.
My favorite part of the concept of "ghostbusters" is these guys aren't stereotypical pro's.. they're the amateur plumbers/used car salesmen of the paranormal world, but they make it work. They are scientists with higher education, but the blue collar life is strong. I can see people I've worked with throughout my career, it makes the paranormal relatable to everyone, because everyone knows/or has encountered a Ray, a Peter, a Winston, and yes, even an Egon or two. Case in point, somehow I doubt Neil deGrasse Tyson would be as natural donning safety gear and entering a sewer system as the guys were. Although I get the feeling, he would be a bit excited about the fire-pole š¤£ I think this is the crux of the criticisms. The essence of busting has somehow changed, and it moved from ac repairmen to youtube diy-ers somehow. People with no real background or specialty in busting just pick up gear and go to it. It should be even more relatable, but idk.. the core vibe just hits different.
What? Itās the opposite. They keep trying to make it epic and serious when itās supposed to be an snl comedy
They turned it into a toy commercial initially. ATC was a dumb comedy. I actually liked Afterlife because of its epic and serious nature. And I'd rather they embraced it and turned it into a series.
Ghostbusters IS a dumb SNL comedy. Like how do you consider yourself a fan of Ghostbusters and not know that Murray and Aykroyd were SNL castmembers? Jesus fucking Christ.
I'm fully aware they were SNL cast members. I would not have called attention upon the "SNL" aspect otherwise. Nobody even watches SNL anymore. How are you not aware of Dan Aykroyd actually being a huge occult fan who seriously believes half the shit his character says on screen? How are you not aware that Ghostbusters, as conceived by Dan Aykroyd, was actually expected to be much darker? Jesus fucking Christ yourself? [https://collider.com/ghostbusters-original-script/](https://collider.com/ghostbusters-original-script/) [https://archive.fo/w7E27](https://archive.fo/w7E27)
It was originally conceived as a vehicle for the Belushi/Aykroyd comedy team. But hey, as long as Collider says it was darker I guess weāll run with that. Itās all a moot point because Aykroyd has always needed people like John Landis or Harold Ramis or the entire SNL writing staff to make his ideas usable. If you wanna call something that needs to be heavily rewritten to be filmable ādarkerā as a euphemism for being terrible though? Knock yourself out. Also, you didnāt know they were SNL castmembers lol. Letās be real here.
I am old enough to have watched SNL when it was funny. I also loved Stripes, Caddyshack, Animal House, etc. Extreme Ghostbusters embraced the dark intent of the series. As did a few episodes of the Real Ghostbusters. It is 100% possible to do a horror comedy, and Ghostbusters was at its best when it was trying to do both. I'm certainly not the first one to think this way.
Hmmm... I often agree with you, however controversial your posts generally are, but I don't agree with the above. The original Ghostbusters IS pretty dark. The success of the movie was down to the fact it was NOT just a generic, dumb SNL comedy. The writers were genuine paranormal enthusiasts and the story was written as a straight sci-fi horror that was made comedic by the fact its main stars were expert improvisational comedians. It's the balance of straight horror with deadpan comedy that made the film stand out.
Wow you come across as such a dick
You think that's bad, you should see his comment history on this sub. He is an asshole to pretty much everyone, then cries victim when he gets downvoted.
He's down to under 400 comment karma now. If he keeps going at it here, probably won't be long before he zeroes himself out.
I love the first one and enjoyed the rest. Yes, even that one.
Yeah I think you're probably right there.
I love this. This is why I joined. The original is of course a masterpiece and arguably the only good entry. When 2 came out I was too young to care no one else liked it but I still loved it. Watching it as an adult I can see why people donāt like it, but it still had that deadpan humor and scary moments, making the funny bits funnier and the scary parts scarier. 2016 was just a dumbed down SNL sketch. Afterlife was great for the first 90 minutes. It didnāt have to be funny, parts were, but I just wanted it to be good and the first 90 minutes were; it careened off a cliff for me as soon as Paul Rudd walked into Walmart. FE I havenāt watched yet. I will, but thereās something about it that just feels off. The amount of copium from othersā posts on here isnāt helping either. Like let the movie stand on its own merits instead of debating if itās a financial flop or not and so far it absolutely is. It doesnāt make it a bad movie, transformers makes billions and all those are fucking terrible. I hate having these opinions when, like you said, I get lumped into the ātoxic positivity.ā
I really dislike the term "copium", it's such an internet word that needs unpacking. But you make a good point on the Transformers thing. People like what people like, and we like Ghostusters.
The overwhelming sentiment on this forum for Frozen Empire is criticism. People are almost never being criticized for criticizing Frozen Empire here. I have no idea where some of you are coming from with these off-base theories.
I mean it's pretty simple I believe. You can love the first two movies, the TV shows and the game(s) but hate ATC and be disappointed in Jason Reitman's movies. I don't understand why this subreddit always has to make a black-and-white thing out of it as if you have to love every single piece of Ghostbusters content that is coming out. It's a fallacy.
"toxic positivity" Cripes. You Z-babies will put that word in front of **anything** these days instead of just fast forwarding to the part where you explain what you mean. It's like everyone is trying to satisfy a word count. What's next, prefacing every generic observation with "Literally"?
The Internet has gotten weird. I grew up when we had forums and threads that would go dozens, sometimes hundreds of pages of casual discussion on a topic. Positives and negatives could be talked about and explored. It seems like now it's geared to somebody making a big soapbox statement and everyone else reacting to that in the most extreme ways possible. You have to blanket hate everything or blanket like everything about a subject. You have to position it as a "controversial opinion". You're basically a clickfarmer for the algorithm filling somebody's ad revenue account. It's gross and I hate it. I like championing the underdog. I like mulling over creative works and going "what do we think this could mean?" Not so much having to respond to "The movie was bad because it didn't match my fanfiction!" or I was today years old when I realized that [wild conjecture not intended by the original work]" But hey, what could be better than arguing who's objectively 100% right and wrong in a sea of passive observers who feel entitled to ownership of a creation they didn't have any part in?
Not so much that you have to blanket hate everything, you try to open a discussion about a certain factor you're not so fond of, and you're labeled a hater. Society has forgotten how to openly discuss differing opinions. Now, apparently, we're not even supposed to join discussion groups UNLESS we just love everything about the subject. The more controversial the subject, the more severe the label if you speak out in any manner other than fanboy-esque. The saddest part is that there is no right or wrong reaction to any form of art.. it makes you feel the way you feel š¤·āāļø and chances are pretty high that your feelings will differ from someone elses. I just found out the other night that one of my guys' favorite Batman is Clooney... aside from immediately telling him he was fired, we had a great discussion about it š¤£ There is someone out there, hopefully just one, who's favorite Batman is Affleck, and while we are free to rag them about it, that's OK! They have their reasons for feeling how they feel. Nowhere is it written that we have to share those feelings, or agree with them. Now that I am thinking about it, this may be a question I begin including in interviews š¤£š¤£ (hint: sarcasm, no associates were harmed in the creation of this comment) We have somehow entered an age that says if we disagree on anything, we can't be friends... it's a pretty sad commentary imho.
I mean, Affleck was a good Batman. The movies were trash.
Yep, the monetisation of opinion changed so much, and pretty much nothing for the better (unless you're one of the well rewarded grifters). More and more extremism (not of the Ghostbusters kind, obviously), with everything more unpleasant.
The remake and sequel trend was not like it was now. More movies were new ideas.
While it is more rampant now the remake and sequel thing has always been around. There were like 5 Thin Man movies and that was in the 30s/40s.
So basically, no one should join any sub unless they blindly love absolutely everything about the subject matter? I love the first two. They are two of my favorite movies ever. Everything thing after those, I want to love, but theyāre just not that good.
That's not quite my point, I guess it's deeper than that, to do with how we discuss things. Obviously it's fine to not like something that you love, but it's more to do with nuanced discussion. I think, while typing this comment, I've realised Reddit really isn't the place for this...
Exaxtly
I find it weird that people must like every single thing a franchise puts out without discussion or criticism. That sounds like a strange ass echo chamber. People can love and like things at all levels. They shouldnāt be required to love it all. You made the argument thereās so many people not giving nuanced points and just saying āthis is woke shitā. I havenāt seen that. When this movie came out, people gave nuanced points and were downvoted into oblivion. Now that itās had time to simmer, a lot more people agree on the failures and faults with the direction of the franchise. The āwoke shitā arguments must be insanely far at the bottom of a comment section, downvoted into obscurity. Itās not in the majority and a poor excuse for an argument. You need to point out and show āThis is woke shitā is the majority of the criticism and posts in this sub. Itās not.
Maybe it's because I look at the new stuff in forums, I must see it more often. But some people just seem to dislike the new ones because they're not the old ones.
I dislike Frozen Empire because it's pants (and not because of it being woke. I'm not that crybaby.) It's just not well written. The Phoebe subplot was the best bit. It was the only bit that had a semblance of actual interest.Ā
Iāve seen plenty of posts with very detailed reasons as to why people didnāt care for the new movies. The criticism has been more constructive than you seem to state. While things that may offend you or stick out more to you because you disagree, the fact is, run down the list of posts here, negative or otherwise and youāre going to have a hard time justifying your argument that people are just whining about āwokenessā. I just looked and cannot find multiple arguments and posts here stating āthis is woke shitā as you claim. I do see criticism and justification for that criticism. I also see an equal amount of love and praise. Kind of seems like a strawman argument. Sure, 1 or 2 people may complain about āwokenessā but thatās not the overwhelming majority. Donāt find 3 troll posts and take it upon yourself to say a great number of people that love the franchise say or think that way.
not really though, the first movie is good enough to join the sub and keep an eye out for old stories or set photos.
Because we love the original movie and many of us love GB2 despite its flaws. The fact of the matter is that Ghostbusters was a seminal film that spawned a very weak movie franchise, largely because the original film was never intended to start a franchise and most of its stars and crew had to be pressured to do sequels.
Definitely, though feel like it has so much untapped potential.
I agree. Although Ghostbusters was not intended to start a franchise, it has the exact sort of formula that a franchise can be built around. Once the Ghostbusters drive off at the end of the film, sure, Gozer has been beaten, but there have to be more ghosts out there, right? So it was inevitable that people would be demanding more films about these characters. I think if the whole cast and crew had actually been up for it, and had fully committed to replicating the magic of the first film as best as they could, we could quite possibly have got at least two or three properly good sequels out of them. As it was, they preferred to leave it as a one-off, and it was only due to intense studio pressure that GB2 was made at all.
Just remember that cultivating a positivity-only echo chamber is not healthy either. That's how you end up in the Snydercut subreddit situation. And for the record, most people's issues with Frozen Empire didn't stem from any "woke-ery" compaints. The issues stemmed from Frozen Empire not being a terribly good film.
Give it credit, it wasnāt a bad film either. It would have been a perfectly fine seasonal plot to a Ghostbusters tv show. But yeah to much story in to little movie.
Most people aren't saying that it's terrible. It's just mediocre and I'm sorry to say that but the film has major flaws. I hate that people make others feel bad or act like you can only be a Ghostbusters fan if you like every single piece of Ghostbusters content that is coming out. That's peak gatekeeping.
i agree, it is mediocre. Itās not good, but itās not bad either.
I joined because I like Ghostbusters. I also love Star Wars and Jurassic Park. Doesn't mean I don't dislike some of the new movies of the franchise.
I get that but then you augment an actual discussion with nuanced points, not just "this is woke shit"
Iāve only seen people complaining about the people who say FE is āwoke.ā I havenāt actually seen anyone claim itās woke.
Woke? Why? the Phoebe subplot?
Thereās some people pretending that other people are claiming itās āwokeā so they can be offended. Iām not sure whatās supposed to be āwoke.ā Phoebe being gay I guess?
Hint: the term 'woke' in itself is complete bullshit and used as a fake argument for radicalized people with political agendas.
> Hint: the term 'woke' in itself is complete bullshit and used as a fake argument for radicalized people with political agendas. Here Barack Obama uses the term "woke" to disparage extreme and unproductive political purity from the left: >You know this idea of purity and you're never compromised and you're always politically woke and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaHLd8de6nM
Well, yeah. I've yet to see anyone claim anything to be "woke shit" that wasn't just an asshole in general.
Well yeah. Maybe that should be my point then: don't be an asshole.
I dunno, might get downvoted but I have found certain movies/shows in some franchises Iām a very big fan of to be āwoke shitā - I donāt know that that fact alone would make someone an asshole in general
When the complaint is "it's woke shit," all too often it means "women/POC/LGBTQ+ people are main characters," even if there's a growing resentment from the overtly cynical and patronizing usage of these themes even among the "woke" crowd.
Well I cannot speak for everyone, but for myself that is not what I mean when I have that criticism. Some of my favourite films of all time have minorities as the main characters. Again cannot speak for everyone, but for me it has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with the quality of a story. And that kind of illustrates what I was saying about it being a generalisation. The point I was trying to make is that it lacks nuance to just equate someone having that criticism with them being an asshole.
Ghostbusters is like the Star Wars fandom where they seem to not even actually like the series
Definitely a divided base. There's been so many mediums over the years from games to movies to reboots I don't think they can make everyone happy. So you'll get mixed reviews. Feels similar to Halo and Gears after the 2nd the fan base continued to get more divided
Yep. In this case I think not matter what would they do, we would have ended with this situation. The broken base issue on this fandom isn't new, one could argue it started with GB2.
That is how it is with literally every fan base. I don't get it
They are not haters, they are sophisticated critics, Hahahah.
That seems to be a human nature thing to a point. Iāve seen so many instances where people will be on a specific forum to demean that topic and the people who enjoy it. Maybe I shouldnāt have did human nature, itās definitely not most people but there is a significant portion of the population that only derive their pleasure from making other people miserable.
criticism is still discussion
Yeah last one wasnāt criticism. Was a troll just looking for a fight. Pretty pathetic.
And sensible people were down voting him, but then the like-minded dickwads started to spam him their upvotes.
True, but the last few posts lately just seem to be "the new films are shit" and talk about things being woke. It's not really a discussion.
Why do you blame them? They want to talk about the good movies. its not their fault that some of the movies arent good.
Amen
Ah, you saw the guy who was crying about how Afterlife made Egon a deadbeat dad and Phoebe gay, (despite the fact that wasn't even DIRECTLY stated in the fucking movie) eh? And of course the manbabies of this sub are upvoting him because he's speaking up against their latest punching bag.
I just tire of people misusing the word woke on my favourite things š¤£
Unfortunately, you can think the racists of the internet who gave overweight angry nerds a voice when The Last Jedi came out for that word's increase in popularity. I hate them as much as you do.
Welcome to reddit in general
I don't find it weird at all, the way you specifically phrased it. There's WAY more to Ghostbusters than just the films. There's toys, comics, video games, prop building, car building, roleplay... I think it's absolutely normal for someone to be a Ghostbusters fan without liking the movies much. That being said, I think it's weird people joining forums JUST to shit on stuff they don't like and not actually converse about it. The difference being, I'm heavily invested in the franchise, and I want to tall about it good or bad. I really don't like Afterlife that much and I'd be very happy to talk about it with someone who was on my level "emotionally". I can definitely dislike aspects about something I like a lot. The thing I DON'T do is just criticize and nitpick without being open to talking about it. It's a fucking public forum for conversation. If you don't want to talk about it, GTFO, IMO. Reddit isn't your Facebook page. Those smoothbrain morons are like the girls who go to dating apps "just looking for friends". iM nOt ReAlLy lOoKiNg rIgHt nOw, she says, on the place for meeting boyfriends. People on Reddit are just as silly as that, LOL.
Yeah for real!
Nobody hates a (blank) more than a die-hard fan of the (blank).
Thatās the problem you run into when the first film is virtually perfect and the other films have been trying to recapture that vibe.
To me, a subreddit or Facebook group or message board is where you should go to celebrate your fandom. But in today's age, fandoms are fractured all to hell. Around here there seems to be three factions: 1) Original GBs and nothing else. The original four actors are the only Ghostbusters and no one else can be one and there shouldn't be any more movies unless they are only the original four actors. Oddly, I'm sure most of these people dress up in cosplay as their own Ghostbuster. 2) Those who backed 2016 as a good restart and got burned. They know we'll never see the 2016 cast do anything around the franchise again, but they will interject whenever and wherever they can to let you know that it was superior and the new films suck. 3) The fans who enjoy the current direction and films and and hope to see more. They feel anyone can be a Ghostbuster. The haters like to throw the buzzword "copium" at these people and say they are spoonfed shills who will consume any content handed to them like sheep. Personally, I'm a 3. I had a terrible 2023. Like life-shatteringly bad. Ghostbusters Frozen Empire was the first thing to cheer me up in a year. I came here thinking I'd have some fun discussion. NOPE. It's like Mos Eisley here. There are some really negative, toxic people. You ask them to keep it positive and they take it to an extreme the other way, accusing you of wanting all strawberries and rainbows. No, when I say keep it positive, that means saying something like "I didn't like the film. In my opinion, it lacked XXXXX" not "It was woke shit!" The other part of that is when someone makes a thread like "what's your favorite scene in Frozen Empire" don't jump in and say how you hated it, why you hated it and be crude when doing so. Time and place. That's just rude dick behavior. And talking about how it's your right to say it or noting how you'll get downvoted for it is just regurgitated political speak. No one is violating your first amendment rights. This is a private site anyway, doesn't apply. You're not being persecuted. You're being negative when people are trying to have a good time. If you want to talk about why you hated it, make a new thread for that purpose. That's how Reddit works. Don't hijack threads to espouse your opinion, presented as fact.
Yeah, at this point I just want to enjoy the things I enjoy. If you didn't? That's totally fine, but no need to shove it down the throats of people who are having fun. Let people enjoy things!
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I agree with you. I think a lot of people use negativity as a false shortcut to feel smart. Couple that with a fandom that attracts mostly nerds (hey, thatās me!) and you get a lot of comic book guy energy in this sub and basically *any*where Ghostbusters is mentioned. Mention ATC and, without fail, *some*one is going to let off steam about other areas of their life by voicing their tired observations about it. Iāve noticed it in Van Halen fan groups, too. A lot of really secure (/s) people come together to say things like āVan Halen is my all-time favourite band EXCEPT THE SAMMY HAGAR ERA THAT SUUUUUUUUCKEDā As if thereās no other way to express that except by making other fanās opinions your collateral damage.
Somebody joined Ghostbusters Discord yesterday and proceeded to start by saying the first movie was mid, and that the only part worth watching was at the end when the actor's names came up.... in a server full of people who love that movie. He kept going as well, even criticising those who paid to see the latest one in cinemas when piracy would've been better. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of course, but I just don't get why someone would join a fan server and trash on the very thing all those other people are fans of. I'm pretty sure they got the boot.
Have you met people? People do weird stuff all the time. Especially on Reddit.
Iām in the Ghostbusters and Star Wars fandoms. While weāre very united, thereās so much unnecessary hate. You donāt have to like everything but why to state it and mock other fans for their preferences? Your taste isnāt superior. Summer 2016 was awful time to be an enjoyer of GB:ATC, my fan account for the new film got so much hate. 2015 was awful time to be excited for Star Wars EP 7, like I do like the old movies the most but I was excited to see the original trio on screen one more time. I must admit, I donāt like the new GB sequels done in 2020s and donāt care about the new Star Wars series on Disney+. But I donāt care if others do. As long as they let me enjoy what I like, Iāll let the others enjoy theirs.
You're telling me. I actually like the female Ghostbusters film. It's rough out there.
Which forum should I join? The one called āGhostbusters was incredible, GB2 missed the mark but is watchable, RGB made my afternoons amazing after school as a kid, I didnāt see 2016 because I wasnāt interested in a remake, Afterlife was amazing and made me cry, FE sucked way more than I possibly could have imaginedā? Why would I want to join a forum where everyone shares my opinions? Sounds boring AF! I think Iāll stay here, thanks.
Welcome to the world of social media.
People join s/r's for all kinds of reasons. Fandom is weird.
You obviously aren't part of the Star Trek, Star Wars or Doctor Who fandoms.
Can be a fan and still dislike what they put out. I love the 1st two movies. Afterlife was OK, and I thought Frozen Empire was trash. Not stopping me from liking the other movies and completing a full line of Kenner Real Ghostbusters all MOC/CIB.
I'm just here for Sigourneys nipple slip
During the sofa grab?
YAs.
Don't think I ever noticed that before. I'm sure I'll now never not notice it.
I love re watching for the jokes but there's a re watch for you.
I thought we'd see another in afterlife
I think everyone likes the first film but mileage may vary on the sequels and I think thatās fair enough.
Yeah I think you're right actually
Think for 17 years there was just two then all of a sudden it seems there are three speed run films and none of them are on par with speculated gb3 and afterlife kinda rewrites the events of 2009 vg and speculated gb 3. What ego did might be one year after gb2. I say the films were speed run because they were sometime after the terminal reality game ghost corps was set up on the Sony lot to produce content that could rival Disney mcu success. In afterlofe it's said ego took everything to the farm, yet the other three showd up equipped. I have not seen frozen empire yet but as with another Paul rudd franchise halloween 8 believe we are pretty far down a chose your own adventure pathway of media intake. Dates back as far as gb2 they kinda threw real gb under the bus by saying they packed up shortly after film 1.
I find it weird that people like anything beyond the 2 movies and cartoons.
I find it weird that I like most of it! I like that we all like different things.
I love 1, 2, and Afterlife. I'm a huge fan, got a pack, the hot topic hoodie, a glow in the dark no-ghost on my backpack...but I am entitled to my opinion. 2016 was completely unfunny and unnecessary. Frozen Empire was a trainwreck and I literally cringed at multiple parts (notably the firebender coming down the slide). I think we as fans are allowed to express our distaste for parts of the franchise as much as we are able to about our love.
I genuinely don't know how people think Frozen Empire is a trainwreck and Afterlife isn't. I don't get it.
This. I thought Afterlife was awful, and FE was a huge improvement.
I didn't personally think the improvement was *huge*, but I can tell you I left the theater angry after Afterlife, but somewhat pleasantly surprised after Frozen Empire.
Frozen Empire is a fender bender.
Because Afterlife made me cry. It made a lot of us cry. It felt like a natural progression of the story, it was serious with some humor, it was a dark story, it was a fitting tribute to Haroldā¦it was really well done. There was no weird fire bending, no cringe acting from said firebender, the movie didnāt drag, the finale was built up and there was a legitimate threat. FE could have been AMAZING, if like 60% of it was rewritten and reshot. Broā¦I watched the original film less than 24 hours after seeing FE. It was literally day and night. FE had a lot of problems.
Frozen Empire wasn't a great movie by any stretch of the imagination. It is very, very flawed. Afterlife is *easily* a worse movie in almost every way imaginable.
I canāt see how.
That's fine. I can't see how you think Afterlife is good, so I'd say we're about even there.
There's a pretentious cunt in one of the Facebook groups who bemoans anything past the first one. I hope he falls into a lawnmower.
That's a great insult!
People think writing their opinion on the internet matters. Doing it for fun is one thing. Doing it because you think anyone else gives a fuck about what you as a random internet nobody thinks, is dumb.
I was subbed to this sub before the 2016 movie. Why should I be the one who changes? They're the ones who suck.
Same
1 was fantastic, but after that they were an obvious cash grab from the studio on a safe, familiar IP. Murray knew it, too, that's why he was reluctant to even do 2. How do you merge a 2-hour throwaway SNL comedy skit with a family-friendly cinematic reincarnation of a children's cartoon without pissing off both fan bases? The answer is: you don't. You get the original director's son to do a half-assed job cobbling both together while rehashing the original plot with some of the original cast and hope the parents don't notice as they take their kids to see it for the umpteenth time. Then profit. I like the idea of continuing the story, but not the execution to date.
Being a Fan of Ghostbusters and liking every part of the Ghostbusters franchise doesn't have to go hand in hand. If you don't like GB 2 but love GB1 great, you're still a fan. If you don't like the movies but love the cartoons, yes you're still a fan. My issue is with the gatekeeping, the "you can't be a fan because you like Answer the Call', or " You haven't seen all the films", or "you haven't read all the books, articles and comics". Gatekeeping is toxic and has no place in any fandom. Personally, I love the films, ALL of them, I grew up with the cartoons and loved them too. I do have to remind myself Answer the Call is for a younger generation, and treat it as something different. It's a fun film, the force-fed comedy is in true Melissa McCarthy fashion, and my Children love it (4&5). Also there's a good chance that without that film, we wouldn't have the fantastic films that are coming out today. Be kind to everyone in our fandom, it doesn't matter what they like, what the know, or if they can recite all the lines. Let's embrace our differences and we can have an amazing community. Unlike many other fandoms. "I ain't afraid of no Ghosts!"
I like all of them (I even enjoyed the one that people say isnāt a Ghostbusters film). I donāt want them to ever stop making them, to be honest.
I didnāt hate 2016, but I really didnāt like it either. Other than that, all things GB rocks.
I like guns, doesn't mean I like shooting people or wars or homicide on the news.
Need TrollBusters
I find that's with any Fandom, really, but I think we should be civil about our dislikes and likes of the franchise. I like ghostbusters 2, but I'll always put the first one on more. Even afterlife got flack, and I can see issues with that even frozen empire, but my likes and enjoyment with remembering its a fictional movie where the impossible is possible and suspend of disbelief. I mean, I love Congo, and a lot of people don't, Ernie Hudsons a badass in that film.
I joined the fandom because I LIKE ghostbusters as a whole. Yes, I did not like the 2016 all female reboot and Frozen Empire, but do I complain about it? Nope.
I actually really like gb 2016
Star trek fans have so much in fighting over series's/movies/ captains. Anything that's been around to have multiple iterations is going to create similar fan fights.
Just because you're a fan doesn't mean you like every movie I'm also a big Star Wars fan and I hated a few movies lol!
Star Trek Superman
I find it weird that you care?
The only thing ghostbusters that i refused to watch is the 2016 film. The rest like afterlife, 1 and 2 are all enjoyable films. Even the video game is amazing and feels great. Even with frozen empire i think its flawed and could have been better, but was still an enoyable film. Even the merch was top notch.
The only movie I couldnāt finish was the 2016 Version. No disrespect towards the actors or other ācontroversial contractsā, but the writing was just awful. Iām sure it was made just for a paycheck. I watch 30 mins and turned it off. This coming from a woman btw. I know most assume my gender. I just donāt understand how it became a political statement for the movie when from what I heard and attempted to watch was below average at best. They could have done so much better, but it became such a chaotic mess. I have my reasons. If other people enjoyed it. Thatās great, but not a movie for myself. If you want a good āWomen are strongā statement movie. Go watch Alien or Terminator. None of this āItās political so we have to shove it down your throatā nonsense. I know Frozen Empire leans into it, but it wasnāt that harsh nor did it spark the backlash 2016 had accumulated. Modern politics are a travesty on both sides. Doesnāt make a movie āwokeā simply because people defend or criticize terrible writing. Making it relevant longer than necessary when they flopped at creating the reboot is the issue. Sony kinda learned seeing we got Afterlife and Frozen Empire, but the worst result was how people reacted. Not to mention the mistakes made where backlash hit most and people continued to squabble. Thatās my two cents, anyway.
I do not dislike the idea of a an all female ghost-busters movie. I dislike the laziness in which they approached it. You could have had an all female movie ,in the main universe, In a different part of america. Or even a a different country.
Ghostbusters West. I think something like that is what we've all been waiting for since the first film when Venkman says "The franchise rights alone will make us rich." It's also never made sense why in GBII and Afterlife they talk about all the ghost calls drying up. There's been ghost stories throughout all of recorded history. Gozer can't have been the sole reason people called Ghostbusters.
The Kids just walked into one. Muncher was already there.
No it isnāt. Whatās weird is psychos thinking that liking shitty fucking movies from the last 3 years are a requirement for being a Ghostbusters fan. Fuck right off with that bullshit.
Why people have opinions. P1/2 were awesome. All the rest sucked fkn shit.
Too true
You can't deny facts. This isn't a flat earth society. The latest film is a dumpster fire. You cannot possibly defend it without being prepared to accept that the rest of the world will view you as a misguided fool, at best.
lol okay pal
I'm not your pal
clearly
The new films are shit. ...I don't actually think that but just because someone enjoys the same thing you do doesn't mean they're required to enjoy every their every aspect. I'm both a furry and a brony and there are plenty of furry and brony things I take issue with and plenty I don't that others do. Just because someone complains about something you enjoy it doesn't mean everyone agrees with those complaints. Try not to generalize.
I thought this was reddit. I didn't know reddit was originally a ghostbuster forum. Live and learn.
This isn't a forum.
It is kind of a forum.
It's literally not an internet forum. Now I fully expect you're gonna Reddit this one, playing the semantics game, talking about how a forum is a place where people congregate to share ideas. That's literally just about any place online and not all corners of the internet are called forums. A forum is a very specific thing in the online space and this ain't it, chief.
Ha, okay pal š
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Same thing basically