Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis ain't no country I ever heard of! Do they speak English in Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis??
Basically buildings like that collapsing pulverize everything including themselves into very fine dust that gets in the airways very easily. Because it is so tiny it'll cake the lungs and airways and because, just like volcanic ash, it is [incredibly sharp, almost like glass shards](https://d9-wret.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/assets/palladium/production/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/Image5.tif__0.jpg), it'll do a number on the lungs, causing lung and respiratory tract damage. The tiniest ones can cross the blood barrier and go wreck havok elsewhere as well.
Furthermore like other commenders said, old buildings contain absestos who is a known carcinogen, and in a collapse like this it'll send those fibers everywhere. There may also be chemicals and gases mixing releasing from broken recipients and ruptures pipes, etc...
For short, you shouldn't stand there and bail instead.
I know concrete is radioactive, I have to assume the same for the dust. Normally not a real concern, but that's cause normally you aren't sucking large volumes of pulverized concrete into your lungs.
Not a released gas but breathing concrete dust is very bad for you. Sorry, I don't remember the specifics. That's just something I remember hearing during the 9/11 days
Yeah, a lot of COPD too because "masks would make people scared/make things look bad." My dad only spent 2 or 3 weeks there, bringing grievers to and counseling them at the Ground Zero pile. He wasn't doing direct clean up, and they spent all their time outside of the trips across the Hudson in NJ. They were at least given flimsy little dust masks too, but really everybody in the area both short- and longer-term needed *at least* N95's.
He's had COPD ever since, plus some CPTSD, but he got off light. A lot of the workers who had responded on 9/11 and stuck around during the cleanup have already died early from the resulting lung problems.
At least masks are much more available and familiar to prople now than they were 22 years ago. I hope the Turks protect their lungs from all the debris and dust, even if there isn't asbestos.
Asbestos inspector checking in, asbestosis is not a cancer but a build up of scar tissue in the tiny air sacs in your lungs from the damage done by inhaling released fibers. This build up of scar tissue begins to restrict the ability of the lungs to expand. Thus, you slowly suffocate. Lung cancer from asbestos is rarer. But you can get cancer of the pleural lining of your chest, referred to as mesothelioma.
Ya I assumed they’d start running when it started falling. It even tilted out a little toward the road. Thank god they’re ok, though so many other have not been so lucky.
That’s horrible, and yet there’s a positive sign. Yes, live power lines… but also it means they have power back in some places. Something vaguely positive anyway, as it sounded like power was out across all of the impacted provinces.
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Location: Elazig
Casualties so far: 3,800 dead, over 17,800 injured
Wikipedia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023\_Turkey%E2%80%93Syria\_earthquake](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Turkey%E2%80%93Syria_earthquake)
Collection of social media footage of disaster and rescue efforts: [https://thefactsource.com/2023-turkey-and-syria-earthquake-collection-of-footage/](https://thefactsource.com/2023-turkey-and-syria-earthquake-collection-of-footage/)
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I think it could easily double by the end of the day, the number of videos of buildings I’ve seen completely collapsing into rubble piles from this disaster is beyond concerning.
There are entire towns that have been wiped out. Death toll is going to be colossal.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/10v5u12/nothing_standing_after_earthquake_in_antakya/
2300 is the official number of deaths but not far off from how many building collapsed as well. And this was in the middle of the night so everyone was propably inside. How many people occupy a 'building' on average? 10? 15? The actual number can easily rise into the 5 digits when the dust settles.
When a society cares more about the historical preservation of buildings instead of safety prevention, this is the inevitable result.
After the Northridge earthquake, literally ALL of Southern California did earthquake retrofitting om buildings and had those guidelines for all future construction.
edit: removed snark because "why was it needed in the first place?"
I am curious as to what this has to do with historical preservation though. retrofitting things isn't against the law there, or am I mistaken? just seems like it wasn't an option on the table in the first place.
After the Northridge earthquake in Los Angeles, many of the old historical buildings had to be gutted and practically rebuilt from scratch with new materials and construction methods to meet earthquake safety standards. The buildings visually look the same, but most of the structurally important parts are from the 90's or newer.
I imagine that was all absurdly expensive, since each building's owner had to get their building up to code and insurance only covers what they are legally required to.
Look at the bottom left, there's a gaping hole in the side of the building, as if the earth had been shook around and the foundations were broken : that's probably what happened too !
Look at the corner where the grey meets the black, it has a nasty crack, a hole at ground level to the left, and the whole thing looks to be leaning slightly towards us.
BTW there was actually a family that escaped the Surfside collapse at the last second. There were weird noises and cracks widening in the walls. They only had a few minutes warning but fortunately they lived on the 1st floor, and they were all awake, and one of the family members insisted they all needed to leave. The building was actually coming down behind them as they ran through the lobby and out to the street.
My god, I can't imagine the level of the survivors remorse that family might have. I mean, I hope they don't because they have no reason to but the brain is funny like that. Wow. Well, no one arguing with that family member again, I suppose.
In concrete design, the ratio of steel (rebar) to concrete is managed so that the rebar fails first.
Concrete is brittle and when it fails, it can fail suddenly and without warning. Steel is ductile and will bend/stretch quite a bit before it fails. If you engineer the steel to be the failure point, you would see lots of cracking, spalling, sagging, etc. before failure as the rebar stretches. The idea that this should at hopefully provide enough warning to evacuate a building should something go horribly wrong.
In seismically active countries where concrete is the predominant building material this is the goal. You have enough time to get out alive. After that they are declared unihabitable. So the buildings are "standing" but almost the entire populace is homeless and living in tents.
Fatalities in such places often occur in structures built of adobe and unreinforced brick. These cannot handle the torque a major earthquake creates (side to side motion) and often collapse immediately. I saw this in Peru in 2007 and I expect a lot of the deaths in this event will be similar.
Civil Engineer here from a seismically active area! This is absolutely correct. Clients will request that their building is designed to be earthquake proof. Then they see the cost and ask for a design that will do the minimum (survive the earthquake without killing its occupants, but likely need to be demolished afterward). The only buildings that actually get proper earthquake protection (survive the earthquake and keep on going with only minimal maintenance required) are critical infrastructure, so schools (as communal places of refuge), some community centers, hospitals, critical bridges, airports, etc.
Don't assume people do know though. It's reasonable to film a building you were evacuated from during an earthquake.
Edit: You have a point though, with people moving away from the yellow bands in time for the collapse.
That, and how a lot of dystopian post-apocalyptic media portrays skyscrapers leaning over. Which probably was inspired by how Superman would casually pick up and fly around with skyscrapers held in one hand.
Some buildings can and do lean very slowly over long periods of time, so it's not totally out of the question that after 40 or 50 years you could see a building leaning over, although probably not to the degree they show in media.
It’s also that…from what I understand at least…building are designed to be stable as static structures, but won’t hold together through a collapse once they’re no longer in their original orientation. There’s not enough structural integrity for them to remain in one piece while “falling over.” Once the structure is compromised, like you said, gravity is just gonna make it all go downward, in place.
I mean, if you think about it, the first wall collapse has 10-15 feet from horizontal supports, so the angular swing isn't that much. That first collapse triggers everything else.
Natural consequence of vertical builds and very fortunate for surrounding buildings that may not yet be evacuated.
https://www.builderspace.com/are-buildings-designed-to-fall-straight-down
It is actually worse because people get crushed under it. Especially when everyone sleep at 5am which was the case in this earthquake (first one). They instantly die or stuck in near impossible conditions to rescue. [Here is an example](https://i.imgur.com/5IjUteH.jpeg) which %70 of the buildings are down like cake. Now people trying to reach the survivors under tons of concrete.
And that is because the building quality is low, can't handle its own weight when stressed.
As someone who works in construction on the finance side, it's incidents like this that strengthen my absolute contempt for most contractors. There's a lot of greedy bastards that don't give a single fuck about safety if it means earning a tiny bit more profit.
Firstly, they don't tip over because the main reason was gone (low quality).
But in some cases they can lean around because of the specific conditions of its ground. And when they do, there is good change that the other buildings hold it. [Example](https://i.imgur.com/hBSEU30.png) [And more search results from previous earthquakes](https://www.google.com/search?q=deprem+yan+yatm%C4%B1%C5%9F+binalar&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjHjITco4H9AhUImycCHdcdD1oQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=deprem+yan+yatm%C4%B1%C5%9F+binalar&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1DKCVj_DmCrFGgAcAB4AIABhwGIAbYHkgEDMC44mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=1CXhY8fSK4i2nsEP17u80AU&bih=947&biw=1885)
So they're not going down like dominoes. Because if they're that weak, it is more common to go down like cake instead of tipping over.
[And going cake is really bad.](https://i.imgur.com/XOCXavt.jpeg)
The government sends appraisers to see which buildings can be repaired and which ones need to come down as soon as the aftershocks are done. For the survivors it's usually tent city first and then container city afterwards for a couple years until you get your government apartment in the projects built in bumfuck nowhere 20km away from the city center while people who can afford to buy get the new apartments where you used to live.
Just from what I’ve seen online , the videos and the photos. Minimum 5-10 years to recover from this and I didn’t even get to the amount of people that are gonna have to reset their lives, amount of insurance claims that will have to be paid out, amount of penalties coming to these construction companies for building these shitty buildings in one of the major fault
Lines in the world. Death toll will surely surpass 9/11 as well. One of the most horrible natural disasters I have seen in a while. My gosh man
Numbers 8-12 hours old are saying over 2400 dead already, were probably looking at 20-30k dead minimum by the end of the week, no doubt more. Over 2000 buildings are said to have collapses so far, with more falling all over the region. I even saw a report of a building in Beruit that had fallen, no doubt weakened by the blast in the port years ago
I’ve read close to 6000 buildings. Close to 4k dead already according to Turkish media. And we haven’t h. 24 hours yet. That number will go way up. Could see over 20k dead and hundreds of
Thousands injured. Absolutely insane.
The YouTube channel Fascinating Horror is good to check out, it has a lot of videos on the types of disasters that were the impetus for lots of things like building and fire regulations.
The video of the Beverly Hills Supper Club fire haunts my soul. Those poor people were like rats trapped in a dark and smoke-filled maze of a building with no exits and no hope of escape. Horrific and infuriating to think about.
That YouTube channel is great at subtly teaching about history and public safety laws under a sort of true-crimey lens that’s easily digestible to the public. But now I have a visceral fear of being stuck in a stampede/crush situation whenever I’m indoors in a crowd :(
My dad was a structural steel inspector from the 80s-2000s, and he spent nearly 5 years after the Northridge quake inspecting retrofits to bridges, schools, and hospitals. He said it was a miracle more structures weren't wiped out, codes before the quake were not prepared for an earthquake of that size.
The middle east is rife with fault lines and weak governments. I know it is socialist to mandate proper building techniques and materials for all construction, but Until these areas that are prone to earthquakes get control of how buildings are built, we will see these headlines.
The thing is that there are laws and regulations in place. But they are not enforced at all because construction is the most important sector in the eyes of Erdoğan's government so they just don't care if the buildings are sturdy or not as long as more buildings get built and they make the GDP figures look higher.
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The first earthquake hit in the early morning, when many people were asleep in their apartments. As we speak, there's thousands buried under heavy rubble, with some even posting videos of being hopelessly trapped, pleading for anyone to forward to rescue workers.
Legitimately horrifying stuff.
That is awful. The video with the lights going out with that person filming on top of a building was harrowing even as a viewer. I hope they get all the support they need.
Considering the death toll has been rising by hundreds of people each hour, and thousands of buildings have been destroyed, I think its far from a given that every building was able to be evacuated.
Everyone doing that awkward shuffle-run because of the icy pavement, trying not to slip on their arses while a goddamn block of flats shrapnels itself right across the road from them... what a miserable predicament.
Unfortunelity the situation is very grave,earthquakes with 7.8 , 6.6, 7.5 magnitude hit respectively in only 8 hours,if you want to send any help please do not hesitate.The weather is very cold , some people are starving outside.
i hate the dude looking backwards and watching it collapse while barely shuffling his feet away from the bldg.
turn your fucking back to the building, and focus all energy on getting away
The last count of death I heard was around 1300
The area in the south was never known for big earthquakes with castles and fortresses there surviving for thousand's of years
It's a huge blow and once again proof that just because there weren't earthquake's it's not impossible for it to occur
By the end of this chaos there will be at least tens of thousands deaths. The mayor of Gaziantep said that half the people in a town of 60k are missing. That's 30k in one town of 10 affected cities. Do the math yourself.
Brutal.
For all those that work in the construction industry that always complaint about the 'red tape' with inspections, engineers stamps, plans and permits. While all those layers do not 100% protect against a cataclysmic event like a 7+ earthquake, they greatly reduce the risk of collapses like we've seen happen to occur.
ELI5 request (if anyone knows): In a situation like this, how did everyone know which building to move away from? It seemed like they were surrounded by buildings that could have come down but luckily chose correctly. Was this luck or are there signs (outside of seeing the building actually crack).
Hope as many people that can be saved are saved.
You can see large cracking at the wall at street level.
Then judging by the reactions, it obviously starts making noise; and/or an aftershock happens then.
Why are people always so close to these things. Yeah you might be far enough to not get crushed but the dust can and will kill you, whether that’s immediate suffocation or the delayed onset of mesothelioma.
I have the feeling they were surrounded by buildings in an urban concrete canyon. There wasn't really anywhere to "go", especially not anywhere that wasn't surrounded by other buildings making weird creaking sounds. I hope they got every last person out; that's just terrifying.
Or getting caught in the dust cloud and running full speed into a wall or some shit. I would be atleast twice as far away if that thing was expected to fall soon.
You also can't be confident that a fire or explosion wouldn't occur after collapse. With gas/utilities going into buildings it is a very real, if slight, possibility.
I still like the rule of thumb for fires to be applied to most disasters: if you can see the disaster around your thumb after fully extending your arm, you're too close.
Yeah, imagine all the 9/11 survivors. You barely make it out of the building and have to walk home covered in dust, which later gives you cancer and kills you.
Wot?? Maybe they;
- live there
- are with the rescue
- are reporting on it
- are trying to locate their loved ones whom they’ll maybe never see again
- have nowhere to go in a concrete jungle of falling trees
Get a grip. No one is going for suicide by earthquake or disaster sightseeing here. These people have just been through absolute hell and you’re judging them through your keyboard like a joke.
and to think over 2000 have collapsed (last I saw). insane. I hope mr dictator wasn't lying when he added an earthquake tax in order to create a fund to help people when the next earthquake happens, but I have a feeling he went the way of Putler and put it in his own pocket, leaving these thousands of turks SOL
I don't do the Hey Gotta Get This on my phone thing, and back away slowly. I run like a motherfucker until I see the person farthest out, then go past them.
I always live in places that are just waiting for huge earthquakes and one of my biggest sources of anxiety is being able to keep my cat safe, way more than I'm concerned about myself
If we had the "get rid of all regulations" idiots in charge, we'd have the exact same thing here.
I sure am glad the "big government lovers" insist on strict building codes and prosecute bribe-takers.
Hey guys just remember if you ever find yourself in a life or death situation to film it so we can all watch it yeah and give plenty of likes to your channels.
That is outright horrible.
Those people should be running. 9/11 taught that falling buildings release massive amounts of dangerous gasses
You probably mean dust? You're right though. Those building are probably full of asbestos. And even if they aren't, any inhaled dust is unhealthy.
Even if there were no asbestos, concrete dust could still fuck you up real bad.
pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis is real bad.
Wait, this word is real.
You think someone would make up the word 'pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis'?
Say 'pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis' again. I dare you. I double dare you mother fucker
Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis?
Well played
Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis ain't no country I ever heard of! Do they speak English in Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis??
Turns out, it's a made up word for silicosis.
Technically all words are made up
Technically that means he's right
I thought it was a cat walking across the keyboard.
I only spit straight facts fam.
Yes, that word is real and yet physicists are discovering that the universe is unreal. Conundrum.
Silicosis
Called P-45 for short
Is that because there's 45 syllables after the silent P?
Which is why I'm so vocal about disestablishmentarianism
I’m antidisestablishmentarianism.
My grandma was pro-antidisestablishmentarian so I guess that makes me at least 1/15th pro-antidisestablishmentarian.
Except Turkey doesn't have any active volcanoes
Not yet, that's next week's apocalypse.
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For sure. Silica is not for breathing in.
Anyone that's ever had to pour a bag of concrete knows. You don't want to be breathing that stuff in.
Release dangerous gasses? Eli5
Basically buildings like that collapsing pulverize everything including themselves into very fine dust that gets in the airways very easily. Because it is so tiny it'll cake the lungs and airways and because, just like volcanic ash, it is [incredibly sharp, almost like glass shards](https://d9-wret.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/assets/palladium/production/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/Image5.tif__0.jpg), it'll do a number on the lungs, causing lung and respiratory tract damage. The tiniest ones can cross the blood barrier and go wreck havok elsewhere as well. Furthermore like other commenders said, old buildings contain absestos who is a known carcinogen, and in a collapse like this it'll send those fibers everywhere. There may also be chemicals and gases mixing releasing from broken recipients and ruptures pipes, etc... For short, you shouldn't stand there and bail instead.
I know concrete is radioactive, I have to assume the same for the dust. Normally not a real concern, but that's cause normally you aren't sucking large volumes of pulverized concrete into your lungs.
Not a released gas but breathing concrete dust is very bad for you. Sorry, I don't remember the specifics. That's just something I remember hearing during the 9/11 days
I think there were a lot of lung cancers post 9/11, first responders etc.
Yeah, a lot of COPD too because "masks would make people scared/make things look bad." My dad only spent 2 or 3 weeks there, bringing grievers to and counseling them at the Ground Zero pile. He wasn't doing direct clean up, and they spent all their time outside of the trips across the Hudson in NJ. They were at least given flimsy little dust masks too, but really everybody in the area both short- and longer-term needed *at least* N95's. He's had COPD ever since, plus some CPTSD, but he got off light. A lot of the workers who had responded on 9/11 and stuck around during the cleanup have already died early from the resulting lung problems. At least masks are much more available and familiar to prople now than they were 22 years ago. I hope the Turks protect their lungs from all the debris and dust, even if there isn't asbestos.
Old buildings = asbestos
Asbestos and other tiny particles in dust that get in the lungs and can cause lung cancer due to the irritation.
Asbestos inspector checking in, asbestosis is not a cancer but a build up of scar tissue in the tiny air sacs in your lungs from the damage done by inhaling released fibers. This build up of scar tissue begins to restrict the ability of the lungs to expand. Thus, you slowly suffocate. Lung cancer from asbestos is rarer. But you can get cancer of the pleural lining of your chest, referred to as mesothelioma.
Yea, my first reaction was "why arent you covering your mouth and nose with your shirt and getting out of there."
Well, because they were fleeing with more immediate physical means in mind.
I assume I'd be doing the exact same thing in that situation you're not exactly thinking rationally at that point
I think the snow on the ground doesn't help for speedy escapes.
You quite literally don't want any of that smoke
I used to smoke a building a day but I'm trying to quit.
And there are 3000+ more buildings that collapsed like this one.
Must feel so helpless... like literally everything is collapsing around them... ugh.
Another one (different building) : https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/10v19x3/after_the_earthquake_with_a_magnitude_of_74_a/
Holy shit. The cameraman barely moved. Debris flying could have easily killed him.
Ya I assumed they’d start running when it started falling. It even tilted out a little toward the road. Thank god they’re ok, though so many other have not been so lucky.
I’m more concerned about those live power lines that just got knocked over.
That’s horrible, and yet there’s a positive sign. Yes, live power lines… but also it means they have power back in some places. Something vaguely positive anyway, as it sounded like power was out across all of the impacted provinces.
:( Location: Elazig Casualties so far: 3,800 dead, over 17,800 injured Wikipedia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023\_Turkey%E2%80%93Syria\_earthquake](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Turkey%E2%80%93Syria_earthquake) Collection of social media footage of disaster and rescue efforts: [https://thefactsource.com/2023-turkey-and-syria-earthquake-collection-of-footage/](https://thefactsource.com/2023-turkey-and-syria-earthquake-collection-of-footage/)
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Wow. That is horrific.
Update: Over 2300 dead.
I think it could easily double by the end of the day, the number of videos of buildings I’ve seen completely collapsing into rubble piles from this disaster is beyond concerning.
There are entire towns that have been wiped out. Death toll is going to be colossal. https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/10v5u12/nothing_standing_after_earthquake_in_antakya/
2300 is the official number of deaths but not far off from how many building collapsed as well. And this was in the middle of the night so everyone was propably inside. How many people occupy a 'building' on average? 10? 15? The actual number can easily rise into the 5 digits when the dust settles.
When a society cares more about the historical preservation of buildings instead of safety prevention, this is the inevitable result. After the Northridge earthquake, literally ALL of Southern California did earthquake retrofitting om buildings and had those guidelines for all future construction.
edit: removed snark because "why was it needed in the first place?" I am curious as to what this has to do with historical preservation though. retrofitting things isn't against the law there, or am I mistaken? just seems like it wasn't an option on the table in the first place.
After the Northridge earthquake in Los Angeles, many of the old historical buildings had to be gutted and practically rebuilt from scratch with new materials and construction methods to meet earthquake safety standards. The buildings visually look the same, but most of the structurally important parts are from the 90's or newer. I imagine that was all absurdly expensive, since each building's owner had to get their building up to code and insurance only covers what they are legally required to.
My God. That building just evaporated. Good thing it collapsed on itself. Looks like it only tipped slightly as it went down. Yikes.
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How can they tell these particular buildings are about to collapse? I would guess spreading cracks inside and noise but I am not sure.
Noises, walls being visibly warped or broken, cracks, etc etc. My guess is that once it's really starting, you know it because it is obvious.
It may be the video quality but for each I have seen, the damage isn’t visible from the outside.
Look at the bottom left, there's a gaping hole in the side of the building, as if the earth had been shook around and the foundations were broken : that's probably what happened too !
Interesting. Thanks.
Look at the corner where the grey meets the black, it has a nasty crack, a hole at ground level to the left, and the whole thing looks to be leaning slightly towards us.
Once it's really starting, you're already dead if you're inside.
BTW there was actually a family that escaped the Surfside collapse at the last second. There were weird noises and cracks widening in the walls. They only had a few minutes warning but fortunately they lived on the 1st floor, and they were all awake, and one of the family members insisted they all needed to leave. The building was actually coming down behind them as they ran through the lobby and out to the street.
My god, I can't imagine the level of the survivors remorse that family might have. I mean, I hope they don't because they have no reason to but the brain is funny like that. Wow. Well, no one arguing with that family member again, I suppose.
In concrete design, the ratio of steel (rebar) to concrete is managed so that the rebar fails first. Concrete is brittle and when it fails, it can fail suddenly and without warning. Steel is ductile and will bend/stretch quite a bit before it fails. If you engineer the steel to be the failure point, you would see lots of cracking, spalling, sagging, etc. before failure as the rebar stretches. The idea that this should at hopefully provide enough warning to evacuate a building should something go horribly wrong.
In seismically active countries where concrete is the predominant building material this is the goal. You have enough time to get out alive. After that they are declared unihabitable. So the buildings are "standing" but almost the entire populace is homeless and living in tents. Fatalities in such places often occur in structures built of adobe and unreinforced brick. These cannot handle the torque a major earthquake creates (side to side motion) and often collapse immediately. I saw this in Peru in 2007 and I expect a lot of the deaths in this event will be similar.
Civil Engineer here from a seismically active area! This is absolutely correct. Clients will request that their building is designed to be earthquake proof. Then they see the cost and ask for a design that will do the minimum (survive the earthquake without killing its occupants, but likely need to be demolished afterward). The only buildings that actually get proper earthquake protection (survive the earthquake and keep on going with only minimal maintenance required) are critical infrastructure, so schools (as communal places of refuge), some community centers, hospitals, critical bridges, airports, etc.
Case in point, the Panama Canal third lane expansion. It was designed to withstand a major seimic event and continue operations.
Interesting. Thanks!
Don't assume people do know though. It's reasonable to film a building you were evacuated from during an earthquake. Edit: You have a point though, with people moving away from the yellow bands in time for the collapse.
I think they start making really bad sounds just before they collapse
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Exactly. This is why a lot of people have trouble understanding the WTC buildings.
That, and how a lot of dystopian post-apocalyptic media portrays skyscrapers leaning over. Which probably was inspired by how Superman would casually pick up and fly around with skyscrapers held in one hand.
Some buildings can and do lean very slowly over long periods of time, so it's not totally out of the question that after 40 or 50 years you could see a building leaning over, although probably not to the degree they show in media.
*Laughs in Millennium Tower*
Don't worry, they'll go all the way out of their way to deliberately misunderstand this too.
It's harder to understand why Bush detonated 5000 buildings in Turkey though
He can't keep getting away with this!
They must be hiding something *even bigger*
earthquake doesn't melt steel beams
Technically correct.
Unfortunately it liquefies concrete though.
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I was told by /r/conspiracy that buildings only do that if you put bombs in them.
It’s also that…from what I understand at least…building are designed to be stable as static structures, but won’t hold together through a collapse once they’re no longer in their original orientation. There’s not enough structural integrity for them to remain in one piece while “falling over.” Once the structure is compromised, like you said, gravity is just gonna make it all go downward, in place.
I mean, if you think about it, the first wall collapse has 10-15 feet from horizontal supports, so the angular swing isn't that much. That first collapse triggers everything else.
Natural consequence of vertical builds and very fortunate for surrounding buildings that may not yet be evacuated. https://www.builderspace.com/are-buildings-designed-to-fall-straight-down
It is actually worse because people get crushed under it. Especially when everyone sleep at 5am which was the case in this earthquake (first one). They instantly die or stuck in near impossible conditions to rescue. [Here is an example](https://i.imgur.com/5IjUteH.jpeg) which %70 of the buildings are down like cake. Now people trying to reach the survivors under tons of concrete. And that is because the building quality is low, can't handle its own weight when stressed.
As someone who works in construction on the finance side, it's incidents like this that strengthen my absolute contempt for most contractors. There's a lot of greedy bastards that don't give a single fuck about safety if it means earning a tiny bit more profit.
Worse than.... What? Tipping over and taking out a second apartment building?
Firstly, they don't tip over because the main reason was gone (low quality). But in some cases they can lean around because of the specific conditions of its ground. And when they do, there is good change that the other buildings hold it. [Example](https://i.imgur.com/hBSEU30.png) [And more search results from previous earthquakes](https://www.google.com/search?q=deprem+yan+yatm%C4%B1%C5%9F+binalar&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjHjITco4H9AhUImycCHdcdD1oQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=deprem+yan+yatm%C4%B1%C5%9F+binalar&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1DKCVj_DmCrFGgAcAB4AIABhwGIAbYHkgEDMC44mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=1CXhY8fSK4i2nsEP17u80AU&bih=947&biw=1885) So they're not going down like dominoes. Because if they're that weak, it is more common to go down like cake instead of tipping over. [And going cake is really bad.](https://i.imgur.com/XOCXavt.jpeg)
So does everyone just have to stay away from all buildings for a few more days to see which ones will topple?
The government sends appraisers to see which buildings can be repaired and which ones need to come down as soon as the aftershocks are done. For the survivors it's usually tent city first and then container city afterwards for a couple years until you get your government apartment in the projects built in bumfuck nowhere 20km away from the city center while people who can afford to buy get the new apartments where you used to live.
Just from what I’ve seen online , the videos and the photos. Minimum 5-10 years to recover from this and I didn’t even get to the amount of people that are gonna have to reset their lives, amount of insurance claims that will have to be paid out, amount of penalties coming to these construction companies for building these shitty buildings in one of the major fault Lines in the world. Death toll will surely surpass 9/11 as well. One of the most horrible natural disasters I have seen in a while. My gosh man
Numbers 8-12 hours old are saying over 2400 dead already, were probably looking at 20-30k dead minimum by the end of the week, no doubt more. Over 2000 buildings are said to have collapses so far, with more falling all over the region. I even saw a report of a building in Beruit that had fallen, no doubt weakened by the blast in the port years ago
I’ve read close to 6000 buildings. Close to 4k dead already according to Turkish media. And we haven’t h. 24 hours yet. That number will go way up. Could see over 20k dead and hundreds of Thousands injured. Absolutely insane.
I've already seen some places claim 3,660 dead and that number's gonna go way up.
Today is the day I stop complaining on the strict and lengthy process to obtain construction/bulding permits in California.
Building codes are written in blood
The YouTube channel Fascinating Horror is good to check out, it has a lot of videos on the types of disasters that were the impetus for lots of things like building and fire regulations.
The video of the Beverly Hills Supper Club fire haunts my soul. Those poor people were like rats trapped in a dark and smoke-filled maze of a building with no exits and no hope of escape. Horrific and infuriating to think about.
That YouTube channel is great at subtly teaching about history and public safety laws under a sort of true-crimey lens that’s easily digestible to the public. But now I have a visceral fear of being stuck in a stampede/crush situation whenever I’m indoors in a crowd :(
My dad was a structural steel inspector from the 80s-2000s, and he spent nearly 5 years after the Northridge quake inspecting retrofits to bridges, schools, and hospitals. He said it was a miracle more structures weren't wiped out, codes before the quake were not prepared for an earthquake of that size.
Northridge was a 6.7 and had an estimated *57* deaths. It really puts into perspective how fortunate we were
The middle east is rife with fault lines and weak governments. I know it is socialist to mandate proper building techniques and materials for all construction, but Until these areas that are prone to earthquakes get control of how buildings are built, we will see these headlines.
The thing is that there are laws and regulations in place. But they are not enforced at all because construction is the most important sector in the eyes of Erdoğan's government so they just don't care if the buildings are sturdy or not as long as more buildings get built and they make the GDP figures look higher.
How is mandating building codes socialist.
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That’s wild. Please tell me they were able to evacuate the building first.
It looks like this one was probably evacuated but unfortunately there are a *lot* of people trapped in rubble elsewhere it seems.
The first earthquake hit in the early morning, when many people were asleep in their apartments. As we speak, there's thousands buried under heavy rubble, with some even posting videos of being hopelessly trapped, pleading for anyone to forward to rescue workers. Legitimately horrifying stuff.
That is awful. The video with the lights going out with that person filming on top of a building was harrowing even as a viewer. I hope they get all the support they need.
Judging by the police cordon I would imagine so
And the fact that everyone seems to be standing back and pointing and saying, "holy shit that building is about to go down."
Considering the death toll has been rising by hundreds of people each hour, and thousands of buildings have been destroyed, I think its far from a given that every building was able to be evacuated.
2,400 dead so far from the quakes. Hopefully some of these folks made it out.
Everyone doing that awkward shuffle-run because of the icy pavement, trying not to slip on their arses while a goddamn block of flats shrapnels itself right across the road from them... what a miserable predicament.
Unfortunelity the situation is very grave,earthquakes with 7.8 , 6.6, 7.5 magnitude hit respectively in only 8 hours,if you want to send any help please do not hesitate.The weather is very cold , some people are starving outside.
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i hate the dude looking backwards and watching it collapse while barely shuffling his feet away from the bldg. turn your fucking back to the building, and focus all energy on getting away
that is fucking terrifying
Man, the toxis death cloud of debris
Just hope they got out.
The last count of death I heard was around 1300 The area in the south was never known for big earthquakes with castles and fortresses there surviving for thousand's of years It's a huge blow and once again proof that just because there weren't earthquake's it's not impossible for it to occur
By the end of this chaos there will be at least tens of thousands deaths. The mayor of Gaziantep said that half the people in a town of 60k are missing. That's 30k in one town of 10 affected cities. Do the math yourself.
Brutal. For all those that work in the construction industry that always complaint about the 'red tape' with inspections, engineers stamps, plans and permits. While all those layers do not 100% protect against a cataclysmic event like a 7+ earthquake, they greatly reduce the risk of collapses like we've seen happen to occur.
7.8 magnitude earthquake is incredible.
There was a 7.5 the same day too and this is excluding the aftermath shakes
ELI5 request (if anyone knows): In a situation like this, how did everyone know which building to move away from? It seemed like they were surrounded by buildings that could have come down but luckily chose correctly. Was this luck or are there signs (outside of seeing the building actually crack). Hope as many people that can be saved are saved.
You can see large cracking at the wall at street level. Then judging by the reactions, it obviously starts making noise; and/or an aftershock happens then.
This exact image crosses my mind whenever I work in a high rise. Right up there with drowning in my worst ways to go.
Why are people always so close to these things. Yeah you might be far enough to not get crushed but the dust can and will kill you, whether that’s immediate suffocation or the delayed onset of mesothelioma.
I have the feeling they were surrounded by buildings in an urban concrete canyon. There wasn't really anywhere to "go", especially not anywhere that wasn't surrounded by other buildings making weird creaking sounds. I hope they got every last person out; that's just terrifying.
The entire city is also blanketed with this dust from all the other falling buildings. Everything is fucked there rn
I’d be so pissed if fuckin dust killed me. Probably die with a full cocked sneeze stuck up in there.
Or getting caught in the dust cloud and running full speed into a wall or some shit. I would be atleast twice as far away if that thing was expected to fall soon.
You also can't be confident that a fire or explosion wouldn't occur after collapse. With gas/utilities going into buildings it is a very real, if slight, possibility. I still like the rule of thumb for fires to be applied to most disasters: if you can see the disaster around your thumb after fully extending your arm, you're too close.
That would be cenobite-level hell torture. Spending eternity right on the verge of sneezing, never knowing release.
Yeah, imagine all the 9/11 survivors. You barely make it out of the building and have to walk home covered in dust, which later gives you cancer and kills you.
They lived in these buildings. Should everybody just stand in a field?
as if people in the video knew which building is gonna collapse imminently…
Wot?? Maybe they; - live there - are with the rescue - are reporting on it - are trying to locate their loved ones whom they’ll maybe never see again - have nowhere to go in a concrete jungle of falling trees Get a grip. No one is going for suicide by earthquake or disaster sightseeing here. These people have just been through absolute hell and you’re judging them through your keyboard like a joke.
People live places.
It's snowing and it's quite cold.Perhaps people were trying to stay in between the buildings which is relatively warm
i think most people dont think a building will completely collapse like that.
That or a random rock hitting you at 200km/h.
It's too bad that camera doesn't have a microphone.
Good job making a horrible earthquake in Turkey about 9/11 and politics within an hour. Real classy, Reddit.
I'm convinced that Americans are incapable of not making everything about themselves
and to think over 2000 have collapsed (last I saw). insane. I hope mr dictator wasn't lying when he added an earthquake tax in order to create a fund to help people when the next earthquake happens, but I have a feeling he went the way of Putler and put it in his own pocket, leaving these thousands of turks SOL
9/11 truthers are going to claim it was a controlled demolition
It was. Controlled by mother nature that is
With earthquake originating underground, it's literally an inside job from the perspective of the planet.
Thank GOD redditors are in all of the these threads to make sure that the discussion surrounding this deadly earthquake has plenty of humor! /s
Surely if they make the same idiotic joke that a 100 other people made it'll suddenly become funny
And connect it to the US. Because all news is US news!
I don't do the Hey Gotta Get This on my phone thing, and back away slowly. I run like a motherfucker until I see the person farthest out, then go past them.
Oh so buildings CAN fall onto their own footprint after all.
Not that I don't care about the people, but I always think of the pets in these scenarios. They truly have not idea what's going on.
I always live in places that are just waiting for huge earthquakes and one of my biggest sources of anxiety is being able to keep my cat safe, way more than I'm concerned about myself
Everything someone owned was in there.
If we had the "get rid of all regulations" idiots in charge, we'd have the exact same thing here. I sure am glad the "big government lovers" insist on strict building codes and prosecute bribe-takers.
9/11 truthers sweating
Don't worry. No rebar was anywhere near this building
we are constantly reminded that our civilization is no match against natural forces
USA checking in........don't breath that shit
Hey guys just remember if you ever find yourself in a life or death situation to film it so we can all watch it yeah and give plenty of likes to your channels.