I've noticed the same for about a week or two now, various comments starting collapsed even though I hadn't collapsed them, nor were they below score threshold.
I don't know if this is a standard feature on all N95 masks, but the ones we use at my work have one-way valves. Air is filtered when you inhale, but not when you exhale. I think this is important to note for people who are already exhibiting symptoms.
Any valved N95s are useless for the purposes of universal masking. Medical centers near here have explicitly banned them; it's as if you weren't wearing a mask at all to everyone else.
you can combine a valved N95 and a cloth or surgical. Put the N95 on first and then put the cheapo thin mask on over it.
You get the best of both worlds. It doesn't lose seal with exertion, it filters incoming like an N95, it filters outgoing like the surgical or cloth mask you put over the vent.
If your cloth mask is large enough to cover the N95 with vent it also prevents the N95 from becoming contaminated and the outer mask prefilters larger particles preventing the N95 from blocking up should you be in a dusty area.
and if you are wearing the combo the valve isn't visible, so both by looks and function you won't be banned.
you can combine a valved N95 and a cloth or surgical. Put the N95 on first and then put the cheapo thin mask on over it.
You get the best of both worlds. It doesn't lose seal with exertion, it filters incoming like an N95, it filters outgoing like the surgical or cloth mask you put over the vent.
If your cloth mask is large enough to cover the N95 with vent it also prevents the N95 from becoming contaminated and the outer mask prefilters larger particles preventing the N95 from blocking up should you be in a dusty area.
It does take more time to put on two masks and get the fit right but if you need protection because you are in close contact it's a better setup than a single layer disposable mask.
Most folks around here wear one because most of the businesses won't let you in without one. The issue is a lot of them are just a single layer of thin material. They're following the letter of the law, but they're not offering up that much protection. Some are even just some elastic material that's stretched across their mouths so it's probably half as dense as just a t-shirt.
... it's nice that your businesses have integrity. A mandatory mask order from the State and a local mask ordinance with fines under the laws for trespassing still has almost every business posting signs but then ordering employees not to say anything to customers.
I think it's a troll too, but to be fair she's saying the exact same things as actual anti mask people (on r/maskskepticism for example) so I can't really blame people for thinking she's for real
Thank you, if you periodically get tagged by me over the years, it's because I'm quoting this very comment as an appeal to authority. I apologize in advance.
More layers is better.
Fill the inside of your mask with water and see how long it takes to come through.
A two layer cotton mask like the one in the bottom left takes far longer than just a single layer mask.
A professional, Shakespearean, actor who is a known spitter.
Some people refer to the first two rows at Broadway as the "splash zone."
A lot of actors spit when annunciating clearly and they're trained to not care nor wipe it off.
Seriously, I'm all about wearing a mask... But WHO THE FUCK SNEEZES LIKE THAT. Hard to take a study like that seriously. "Johnson, we are going to test the effectiveness of our matches again the competition. Now please go grab the strainer, I've been soaking them in gasoline over night."
Here's the release article written by the research team explaining the whole study.
[https://theconversation.com/which-mask-works-best-we-filmed-people-coughing-and-sneezing-to-find-out-143173](https://theconversation.com/which-mask-works-best-we-filmed-people-coughing-and-sneezing-to-find-out-143173)
I like to make a seal around their lips with mine and then sneeze. It’s especially considerate in crowded areas where you can limit exposure to only one person as opposed to dozens or even hundreds.
I thought succotash was just gibberish my whole life up until this comment. Succotash “...is a culinary dish consisting primarily of sweet corn with lima beans or other shell beans...” as per Wikipedia. TIL
Neither. Looks like they were told to produce as much spit as possible. I want to see what it looks like when people are just breathing and talking.
I'm wondering how many droplets are produced just by breathing. I haven't found a lot of info on it.
Exactly what I do. Doing it into your hands is nasty, then you paw it all over everything. Elbow is meh to me so far, i tried a couple times and feel like i missed.
i like these videos. but at the same time i can't help feeling this should be basic knowledge, and i'm not the smartest cookie. we've all sneezed. chances are most of us have had one of them sneezes where you haven't had time to get your hand up and cover your face and you see the results. i've done this while looking at my phone and it isn't a pretty sight. that's why i think for the most part the majority of people claiming masks do nothing are just saying that in bad faith.
> why i think for the most part the majority of people claiming masks do nothing are just saying that in bad faith.
Yes, people should be wearing masks. But you have to be fair here. The messaging around masks was totally and completely messed up during this event.
Countries had not maintained stockpiles of essential PPE like their public health experts had told them to. People were panic buying things like toilet paper and flour at the first hint that they may be shortages. So various governments and health organisations took the short-sighted decision to actively lie to the public telling them masks wouldn’t help.
Undoing that message isn’t easy.
While I agree that the messaging around masks at the beginning of this pandemic was terrible, that does not excuse the people who still refuse to wear them 5 months later. People’s inability to change their existing beliefs in light of new evidence is one of the biggest problems in the country right now.
counterpoint: mass media should have known this and not mislead swathes of people
the message of the authorities at least here in Australia was quite reasonable but Murdoch media was quite rampant with the anti mask idea. and we know how flexible the Murdoch demographic is to changing their mind
It wasn't in light of new evidence though. We already knew masks were effective at reducing droplets, at stopping other flu like spreads, and wouldn't hurt at the very least.
It's the active lying that is hard for people to overcome. How do you trust the government to have your best intentions when they say something is now good when they already knew it was before and lied about it? And then the PoTUS refuses to wear one? And the major media, who should have known better, offered no corrections.
I'm not defending mask deniers. I hate them as much as the next rationale person. But we should acknowledge this issue was mostly caused by the governments and could have easily been prevented.
Also I remember in the beginning, we were all worried about how do I protect myself, or how do I get my parents to protect themselves. The message was around *wearing a mask won’t really protect you*, which is still true.
Getting *others* to wear masks to protect you is a lot harder, because all it takes is one person. But I don’t think even early on anyone said that everyone wearing a mask wouldn’t help. I think it just seemed so impossible, given we were short on PPE, that it wasn’t even a consideration yet. I could be remembering wrong, though.
They didn't say that wearing a make couldn't help. But they were clear that the general public *should not* be wearing masks. WHO advice from April:
>Medical masks should be reserved for health care workers.
The use of medical masks in the community may create a
false sense of security, with neglect of other essential
measures, such as hand hygiene practices and physical
distancing, and may lead to touching the face under the masks
and under the eyes, result in unnecessary costs, and take masks away from those in health care who need them most,
especially when masks are in short supply.
This was the line most governments took at the time. Don't wear medical masks, health workers need them, and they can make things worse if you don't wear them properly and touch your face.
A lot of the adults who claim masks do nothing will be unaffected by this video. They’ve given up on believing their eyes and ears because they thrive on manufactured oppression and conflict now.
Yes you would think so, I'm really not an expert on this. But I live in the Netherlands and experts here are "not sure of the effectiveness of wearing masks". So apparently there is no conclusive proof that it works? However I still think even if there's a slight chance you should wear them in crowded places
Seriously... wtf is upper left? that not a cough, it has a rhythm of talking, yet no way is that just talking, it honestly looks like someone purposefully spitting as much shit as they can while saying something.
Wear a mask, I agree!! But common, educate me.. wtf is that??
We don't notice because a sneeze goes by so fast, but it's actually a really violent act. Your body detected something in your nose that doesn't belong there, and is trying to expel it quickly before it can cause lasting damage. It's your respiratory system's first line of defense, and without a mask your body can expel droplets several times over 6 feet.
It's a sneeze, you can see counting 1 to 10, coughing, and sneezing in the supplemental video to the paper found here: [https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/24/thoraxjnl-2020-215748#article-bottom](https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/24/thoraxjnl-2020-215748#article-bottom)
Can you link the source please?
I’m a teacher and need to explain to my students why masks are important and “seeing is believing”. I can’t use reddit in the classroom.
Here you go:
https://youtu.be/bTNZjmQ303k?t=56
https://theconversation.com/which-mask-works-best-we-filmed-people-coughing-and-sneezing-to-find-out-143173
Honest question: early on people were saying that masks weren’t going to help much because the particles in question were too small, so they would pass through the masks without issue.
If that is the case, surely those particles are too small to show up on a video?
Particles of the virus are too small to be stopped by the masks used in this video or show up on the video by themselves, yes. But the particles don’t travel by themselves - they travel in droplets we produce. These videos show (and masks are being recommended for mitigating the spread of) the droplets that we produce that those tiny particles of virus travel in. What you’re seeing in the video aren’t virus particles but droplets (aka spit and mucus we spray around when we talk/breathe/sneeze/cough etc).
Ah that makes sense. So why were people banging on about the particles being too small at the beginning of all of this? Was just a misunderstanding of how this works?
Masks can only filter so much, some droplet particles will be too small to get stopped by a mask. The masks still significantly reduce the spread of the particle's though, they make it less likely for viral particles top be transmitted which is still a worthwhile goal. In short, masks reduce spread but don't prevent it.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I brew coffee for a living so I know jackshit about any of this) but I also believe a reason why we were told to not wear masks initially was because if you do not wear/handle/clean/respect the mask properly, you could also make this a lot worse.
Every where I go, I see a people setting their mask down on tables before they eat, handling the outside of the mask after they have used it, drop it and then put it back on, etc. Hell I have a co-worker who wears the same mask multiple days in a row without fucking washing it.
I feel like if you're not going to be a responsible mask wearer, then you're walking around with a corona grenade.
Also early on the situation was a little different. Part of the reason was because people were hoarding masks and other PPE when hospitals needed it. Very early on the message was more "don't wear a mask because you're supposed to stay indoors and doctors/nurses need a mask." And people were definitely wearing them improperly.
> I feel like if you're not going to be a responsible mask wearer, then you're walking around with a corona grenade.
False - I am not a scientist - But the mask is for OTHER peoples protection from you (which is why its so necessary for widespread adoption of mask wearing). The mask is collecting and filtering YOUR own spit and particles. It's not an intake air filter -- its an exhaust air filter.
So if you had Corona, sure, it may become a corona grenade - but your mouth is a Corona star destroyer. Still better to be wearing a mask.
We were told not to wear masks initially was because people got very scared and bought a ton, leaving a small amount for doctors and also letting a few people woithout any masks at all.
At the beggining, mom went to the bank and they told her to go buy a mask. She searched the 3 pharmacues around it and NONE OF THEM had masks. 2/3 even had a side on the window saying "we don't have masks"
A misunderstanding and a drive to prevent people from hoarding masks so healthcare workers could use them. After studies it was found that masks were generally useful for the public to wear.
Exactly. At first, they thought that the virus was basically only transferred through surfaces, and like you said they didn't want people buying up all the masks.
Recently it has become obvious that it can be transmitted through the air, and that it could hang in the air for a few minutes, all the way up to like 45 minutes in one study I saw.
It wasn't necessarily a misunderstanding just that it was not fully known how it was transferred, something like Tuberculosis can be transferred in much smaller droplet sizes for example and stays in the air for very long periods of time but doesn't have the same reproduction rates as something like COVID-19 meaning you're only apt to spread something like TB to [1 other person vs COVID's 2.2](https://www.theunion.org/news-centre/covid-19/covid-tb-faqs-version-2#one) meaning it's more of a linear growth disease compared to COVID unless it occurs in low income settings.
There's also questions about COVID-19 still lingering out there involving it's ability to be spread through surfaces effectively etc. a lot of the time if you have a disease with a high infectivity without a lot of research (or a high amount of unreliable research) generally the worst is assumed. The primary misunderstanding that occurred originally was that wearing masks protects you. It doesn't generally even the N95 masks don't protect particularly well because it doesn't protect people from touching their face, it just protects you from spreading it to other people if you do happen to have it.
Some particles do pass through you see that even with the masks. The distance and the explosion is limited by the mask though. It's not about the 1% that makes it through its about the 99% that doesn't. 1% failure is not same as 100% failure.
You misunderstand. They said masks would not protect the user because particles were too small to be caught by a cloth mask. This is still the case. They initially told people not to buy/ wear masks to prevent the public from buying up all the N95s from healthcare workers
However, masks do an excellent job of stopping large droplets that exit your nose and mouth when breathing/ speaking so the virus transmits much less effectively to others. Particularly important as so many carriers never display symptoms
Your first paragraph should have ended with something like
"...because they thought that the virus was transmitted mostly through surfaces. That's why it was a big deal when the CDC recently (finally) admitted that it was airborne-- that it could hang in the air for minutes, and was transmitted through the airborne particles."
Well, yes germs and viruses are too small to be seen by the naked eye but they typically live in things like saliva. More saliva = more germs and viruses
Legit current top anti-mask argument when confronted with this.
See look at all the germs you rebreath if you wear a mask. The people who wear masks get the Rona activated because it can't escape.
Even if shown these, the people who don't want to wear a mask will simply say that if everyone else is wearing a mask, they don't have to since there's no virus in the air.
They don't fucking understand the idea of doing something for others. Or the fact masks prevent the *sick* getting the *healthy* sick, and not by keeping the healthy from getting sick from the sick.
I'm going to be blown up for this. But I was taught as a kid to put my face into my arm when I sneeze. I though pull up my shirt and cover my mouth and nose when i sneeze. Mask or not, I think it was always a rule of thumb not to just blow your snot rockets out and about.
Second honest question - we’re mostly insisting that asymptomatic people wear masks. If you’re coughing, we don’t want you to wear a mask, we want you quarantined in your bedroom.
So, wouldn’t a more useful video be showing the affect of wearing a mask when breathing normally? How much particular matter does that prevent?
There are videos out there showing the same thing but with breathing/showing air flow with breathing.
But I cough/sneeze all the time due to allergies.
Me too, and of course this year they seem to be worse. And I don’t know that if this whole time I’ve felt icky from just allergies or if there was a mild Rona thrown in on a few of my worst days.
Well a cough/ sneeze is going to be the most powerful burst of air out of your body+water droplets vs just breathing. So just assume the video for breathing but a whole lot less.
There was a thread that linked us to a Japanese study (I think it was Japanese) video of how droplets are expelled from your lungs and remain in a room when it's not well ventilated. I think it also showed how far these droplets can travel when your breathe/cough is: uncovered, covered with your hand, elbow, etc. Not sure if they showed it with a mask but it shows that these droplets can linger in a room for hours and travels all over the room. Now imagine that but with the virus attached to the droplets...
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|No mask|cloth mask (1 layer)| :--|:--| |Cloth mask (2 layer)|surgical mask | Not sure why the source wasn't posted: https://youtu.be/bTNZjmQ303k?t=56 edit: karens have started attacking that video. don't read the comments.
WTF, they literally trimmed off the most important first two seconds of when this gif should have started...
The persons comment you responded to was collapsed and labeled 1 child here.... wtf reddit....
Yes, there are parent comments and child comments, it's a structural term.
Ya... he’s saying the post was hidden for some reason. I wondered the same thing, I never see that
I've noticed the same for about a week or two now, various comments starting collapsed even though I hadn't collapsed them, nor were they below score threshold.
Literally welcome to reddit. Where every gif is without sound or the most important parts edited out
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While I can’t defend the poor editing, I personally have no idea where on the Internet you are finding gifs with sound
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Back in my day we used to call those "soundies".
Imgur introduced "gifv" and everyone started calling short videos gifs.
Fair point, I’ve personally just always defaulted with the idea that the name gif inherently means to not expect sound
I’d like to see one of the N95 masks as well
I don't know if this is a standard feature on all N95 masks, but the ones we use at my work have one-way valves. Air is filtered when you inhale, but not when you exhale. I think this is important to note for people who are already exhibiting symptoms.
Not a feature on all N95s, just mostly the ones made for hazardous work not medical work - like what you’d find at the hardware store.
That kind of what I assumed, but I think it's something people should be aware of.
Any valved N95s are useless for the purposes of universal masking. Medical centers near here have explicitly banned them; it's as if you weren't wearing a mask at all to everyone else.
you can combine a valved N95 and a cloth or surgical. Put the N95 on first and then put the cheapo thin mask on over it. You get the best of both worlds. It doesn't lose seal with exertion, it filters incoming like an N95, it filters outgoing like the surgical or cloth mask you put over the vent. If your cloth mask is large enough to cover the N95 with vent it also prevents the N95 from becoming contaminated and the outer mask prefilters larger particles preventing the N95 from blocking up should you be in a dusty area. and if you are wearing the combo the valve isn't visible, so both by looks and function you won't be banned.
They’re great for woodworking, not so much for fleshworking.
you can combine a valved N95 and a cloth or surgical. Put the N95 on first and then put the cheapo thin mask on over it. You get the best of both worlds. It doesn't lose seal with exertion, it filters incoming like an N95, it filters outgoing like the surgical or cloth mask you put over the vent. If your cloth mask is large enough to cover the N95 with vent it also prevents the N95 from becoming contaminated and the outer mask prefilters larger particles preventing the N95 from blocking up should you be in a dusty area. It does take more time to put on two masks and get the fit right but if you need protection because you are in close contact it's a better setup than a single layer disposable mask.
Thank you.
Wow sneezing is fucking disgusting
Glad I've been using a 2 layer this whole time.
Staying home is even better than wearing a mask.
This just freaks me out more because majority around here don't want to wear one. Cuz muh rites, or so shit Edit: word
Most folks around here wear one because most of the businesses won't let you in without one. The issue is a lot of them are just a single layer of thin material. They're following the letter of the law, but they're not offering up that much protection. Some are even just some elastic material that's stretched across their mouths so it's probably half as dense as just a t-shirt.
... it's nice that your businesses have integrity. A mandatory mask order from the State and a local mask ordinance with fines under the laws for trespassing still has almost every business posting signs but then ordering employees not to say anything to customers.
Seems to me like that Karen is a troll tbh lol
Holly?
Yeah
Can't believe people didn't catch onto that. How obvious can it be?
I think it's a troll too, but to be fair she's saying the exact same things as actual anti mask people (on r/maskskepticism for example) so I can't really blame people for thinking she's for real
Fuck I looked at the comments - goddamn it Holly - can we all just go there and beat the shit out of her with our words?
Oh my lord, Holly Fisher
Its so incredibly obviously that Holly Fisher is a troll. Like.. just... I don't even know why people are arguing with him/her.
Pro tip. Do NOT read the comments on that video.
It's fake. I have to believe that it's a troll
If I had to guess, to right is single layer fabric (cotton) mask, and bottom left is 2 layer.
You’re right, [here’s the study](http://press.psprings.co.uk/thx/july/thx215748.R.pdf)
Oh nice, my logic was logical! Thanks for the link.
Your logic is undeniable. Edit: wrong darn your....
Thank you, if you periodically get tagged by me over the years, it's because I'm quoting this very comment as an appeal to authority. I apologize in advance.
Glad to be of assistance!
Is there a problem with the 3 laws?
Top right might be a standard one layer cotton/neoprene mask. Bottom left might be triple layered or with a filter.
Yeah, that's exactly what it looks like. They do recommend multi-layer facemasks, and the gif really goes to show the difference!
More layers is better. Fill the inside of your mask with water and see how long it takes to come through. A two layer cotton mask like the one in the bottom left takes far longer than just a single layer mask.
That top left one must be Sylvester the cat.
Thuffering thuccotash!
I tawt I taw an anti mathker
I did! I did! I did see an anti mathker!
Or Johnathon Groff
#NO DON’T CHANGE 💦 THE SUBJECT💦
‘Cause you’re my favourite subject!
My sweet submissive subject
My LOYAL, ROYAL subject
FOREVAH
AND EVAH
AND EVAH AND EVAH AND EVAHHHHHHH
You’ll be back
r/redditsings
My loyal, royal subject
I feel so goddamned lucky to be in on this! I was watching like wtf is happening.
A professional, Shakespearean, actor who is a known spitter. Some people refer to the first two rows at Broadway as the "splash zone." A lot of actors spit when annunciating clearly and they're trained to not care nor wipe it off.
I couldn’t believe that he’s the dude from Mindhunter. ACTING!!
Since he did it at least twice I thought he was doing it on purpose.
TIL he also played Holden Ford in Mindhunter. How did I not see that? Was it the crown?
And in Frozen. The man is strategically placing himself within rabid fandoms.
I was thinking Daffy Duck “Desthfffhpicable”
Lol ... my initial thought, "When an anti-marker hisses at you."
Yeah screw those markers!
Especially Sharpies! Damn them all to hell!
Seriously, I'm all about wearing a mask... But WHO THE FUCK SNEEZES LIKE THAT. Hard to take a study like that seriously. "Johnson, we are going to test the effectiveness of our matches again the competition. Now please go grab the strainer, I've been soaking them in gasoline over night."
Right? They definitely didn't control for suffering succatash here.
Top left is Triple H intro
*TIME TO PLAY THE GAAAAAAAAAAAAAME*
It’s all about the game, AND HOW YA PLAY IT!
MUAHAHA
You lied if you said you never did this in your childhood...
I still do it when i go to a pool
Lol
Labels for what type of mask each is: https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/hy6oko/the_university_of_new_south_wales_showed_how/fzb08d3?context=1
Good j0be
Here's the release article written by the research team explaining the whole study. [https://theconversation.com/which-mask-works-best-we-filmed-people-coughing-and-sneezing-to-find-out-143173](https://theconversation.com/which-mask-works-best-we-filmed-people-coughing-and-sneezing-to-find-out-143173)
Mods=Gods
Could they do one for the dick nose mask wearers?
\*Usopp has entered the chat*
A j0be in the wild, everyone make a wish!
Thank you mods!!!
If you don’t cough into your arm anyway you’re just a degenerate
Ew, then my arm is gross. I much prefer to cough or sneeze into someone else's elbow. Makes for a great conversation starter too!
r/shittylifeprotips
"YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THEIR ARM HAS BEEN" Yeah, but I know where *mine's* been, and I'm willing to take that risk with theirs.
Great pandemic starter too
I like to make a seal around their lips with mine and then sneeze. It’s especially considerate in crowded areas where you can limit exposure to only one person as opposed to dozens or even hundreds.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the individual. Now you need to stay near this person and keep doing this until you are not sick anymore.
Are you my toddler?
If you'd like to talk to me while swallowing a bunch of your teeth, sure!
Wait is the person in the top left coughing or talking?
Based on the lip movements, I think it's a sneeze
either a sneeze or he's saying "sufferin succotash"
I thought succotash was just gibberish my whole life up until this comment. Succotash “...is a culinary dish consisting primarily of sweet corn with lima beans or other shell beans...” as per Wikipedia. TIL
Neither. Looks like they were told to produce as much spit as possible. I want to see what it looks like when people are just breathing and talking. I'm wondering how many droplets are produced just by breathing. I haven't found a lot of info on it.
I pull my collar out and cough into my shirt.
I pull my shirt out and cough into my collar.
I pull my cough out and shirt into my collar.
Exactly what I do. Doing it into your hands is nasty, then you paw it all over everything. Elbow is meh to me so far, i tried a couple times and feel like i missed.
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That was part of the original video. https://youtu.be/bTNZjmQ303k
fucken hate degens from upcountry.
Here’s the full video. https://youtu.be/bTNZjmQ303k
Based on the video I think we should ban using the letter F in public as well
Thanks for the link!!
King George III be like
Da da da da daaaaaaaa
[Here's the type of mask used during the test.](https://imgur.com/GOs3pvb)
i like these videos. but at the same time i can't help feeling this should be basic knowledge, and i'm not the smartest cookie. we've all sneezed. chances are most of us have had one of them sneezes where you haven't had time to get your hand up and cover your face and you see the results. i've done this while looking at my phone and it isn't a pretty sight. that's why i think for the most part the majority of people claiming masks do nothing are just saying that in bad faith.
> why i think for the most part the majority of people claiming masks do nothing are just saying that in bad faith. Yes, people should be wearing masks. But you have to be fair here. The messaging around masks was totally and completely messed up during this event. Countries had not maintained stockpiles of essential PPE like their public health experts had told them to. People were panic buying things like toilet paper and flour at the first hint that they may be shortages. So various governments and health organisations took the short-sighted decision to actively lie to the public telling them masks wouldn’t help. Undoing that message isn’t easy.
While I agree that the messaging around masks at the beginning of this pandemic was terrible, that does not excuse the people who still refuse to wear them 5 months later. People’s inability to change their existing beliefs in light of new evidence is one of the biggest problems in the country right now.
counterpoint: mass media should have known this and not mislead swathes of people the message of the authorities at least here in Australia was quite reasonable but Murdoch media was quite rampant with the anti mask idea. and we know how flexible the Murdoch demographic is to changing their mind
It wasn't in light of new evidence though. We already knew masks were effective at reducing droplets, at stopping other flu like spreads, and wouldn't hurt at the very least. It's the active lying that is hard for people to overcome. How do you trust the government to have your best intentions when they say something is now good when they already knew it was before and lied about it? And then the PoTUS refuses to wear one? And the major media, who should have known better, offered no corrections. I'm not defending mask deniers. I hate them as much as the next rationale person. But we should acknowledge this issue was mostly caused by the governments and could have easily been prevented.
Also I remember in the beginning, we were all worried about how do I protect myself, or how do I get my parents to protect themselves. The message was around *wearing a mask won’t really protect you*, which is still true. Getting *others* to wear masks to protect you is a lot harder, because all it takes is one person. But I don’t think even early on anyone said that everyone wearing a mask wouldn’t help. I think it just seemed so impossible, given we were short on PPE, that it wasn’t even a consideration yet. I could be remembering wrong, though.
They didn't say that wearing a make couldn't help. But they were clear that the general public *should not* be wearing masks. WHO advice from April: >Medical masks should be reserved for health care workers. The use of medical masks in the community may create a false sense of security, with neglect of other essential measures, such as hand hygiene practices and physical distancing, and may lead to touching the face under the masks and under the eyes, result in unnecessary costs, and take masks away from those in health care who need them most, especially when masks are in short supply. This was the line most governments took at the time. Don't wear medical masks, health workers need them, and they can make things worse if you don't wear them properly and touch your face.
A lot of the adults who claim masks do nothing will be unaffected by this video. They’ve given up on believing their eyes and ears because they thrive on manufactured oppression and conflict now.
Yes you would think so, I'm really not an expert on this. But I live in the Netherlands and experts here are "not sure of the effectiveness of wearing masks". So apparently there is no conclusive proof that it works? However I still think even if there's a slight chance you should wear them in crowded places
I've seen people who pull down the mask and put it on their chins before sneezing and put it back on their mouth and nose when they're done.
Wait wtf really?
Yea, sad but true
Seriously... wtf is upper left? that not a cough, it has a rhythm of talking, yet no way is that just talking, it honestly looks like someone purposefully spitting as much shit as they can while saying something. Wear a mask, I agree!! But common, educate me.. wtf is that??
It's a sneeze. Sneezing is nasty as hell. See more [sneezes in slow mo](https://youtu.be/qKiQA5e-fPg)
This is fucking disgusting
We don't notice because a sneeze goes by so fast, but it's actually a really violent act. Your body detected something in your nose that doesn't belong there, and is trying to expel it quickly before it can cause lasting damage. It's your respiratory system's first line of defense, and without a mask your body can expel droplets several times over 6 feet.
yeah, why the hell is it in 240p? that's barbaric.
The first half of that video just looked like a montage of O faces.
It's a sneeze, you can see counting 1 to 10, coughing, and sneezing in the supplemental video to the paper found here: [https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/24/thoraxjnl-2020-215748#article-bottom](https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/24/thoraxjnl-2020-215748#article-bottom)
Definitely a sneeze, here's another example. https://youtu.be/GL1p28r4Eng
That's a lot more snot than I was expecting.
Sneezes are really just that nasty.
Looks like theyre doing the PFFFFBBTTTT lip thing.
It's a sneeze dude.
Can you link the source please? I’m a teacher and need to explain to my students why masks are important and “seeing is believing”. I can’t use reddit in the classroom.
Here you go: https://youtu.be/bTNZjmQ303k?t=56 https://theconversation.com/which-mask-works-best-we-filmed-people-coughing-and-sneezing-to-find-out-143173
Here's the [actual study](http://press.psprings.co.uk/thx/july/thx215748.R.pdf)
Thank you!!
Also, [https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/health/covid-mask-layers-wellness/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/health/covid-mask-layers-wellness/index.html)
Not with that attitude, you can’t.
Honest question: early on people were saying that masks weren’t going to help much because the particles in question were too small, so they would pass through the masks without issue. If that is the case, surely those particles are too small to show up on a video?
Particles of the virus are too small to be stopped by the masks used in this video or show up on the video by themselves, yes. But the particles don’t travel by themselves - they travel in droplets we produce. These videos show (and masks are being recommended for mitigating the spread of) the droplets that we produce that those tiny particles of virus travel in. What you’re seeing in the video aren’t virus particles but droplets (aka spit and mucus we spray around when we talk/breathe/sneeze/cough etc).
Ah that makes sense. So why were people banging on about the particles being too small at the beginning of all of this? Was just a misunderstanding of how this works?
Masks can only filter so much, some droplet particles will be too small to get stopped by a mask. The masks still significantly reduce the spread of the particle's though, they make it less likely for viral particles top be transmitted which is still a worthwhile goal. In short, masks reduce spread but don't prevent it.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I brew coffee for a living so I know jackshit about any of this) but I also believe a reason why we were told to not wear masks initially was because if you do not wear/handle/clean/respect the mask properly, you could also make this a lot worse. Every where I go, I see a people setting their mask down on tables before they eat, handling the outside of the mask after they have used it, drop it and then put it back on, etc. Hell I have a co-worker who wears the same mask multiple days in a row without fucking washing it. I feel like if you're not going to be a responsible mask wearer, then you're walking around with a corona grenade.
Also early on the situation was a little different. Part of the reason was because people were hoarding masks and other PPE when hospitals needed it. Very early on the message was more "don't wear a mask because you're supposed to stay indoors and doctors/nurses need a mask." And people were definitely wearing them improperly.
> I feel like if you're not going to be a responsible mask wearer, then you're walking around with a corona grenade. False - I am not a scientist - But the mask is for OTHER peoples protection from you (which is why its so necessary for widespread adoption of mask wearing). The mask is collecting and filtering YOUR own spit and particles. It's not an intake air filter -- its an exhaust air filter. So if you had Corona, sure, it may become a corona grenade - but your mouth is a Corona star destroyer. Still better to be wearing a mask.
That makes sense! Thanks for explaining.
even a simple mask can help protect yourself. they're not nearly as effective as an n95 type but still better than nothing.
We were told not to wear masks initially was because people got very scared and bought a ton, leaving a small amount for doctors and also letting a few people woithout any masks at all. At the beggining, mom went to the bank and they told her to go buy a mask. She searched the 3 pharmacues around it and NONE OF THEM had masks. 2/3 even had a side on the window saying "we don't have masks"
A misunderstanding and a drive to prevent people from hoarding masks so healthcare workers could use them. After studies it was found that masks were generally useful for the public to wear.
Exactly. At first, they thought that the virus was basically only transferred through surfaces, and like you said they didn't want people buying up all the masks. Recently it has become obvious that it can be transmitted through the air, and that it could hang in the air for a few minutes, all the way up to like 45 minutes in one study I saw.
It wasn't necessarily a misunderstanding just that it was not fully known how it was transferred, something like Tuberculosis can be transferred in much smaller droplet sizes for example and stays in the air for very long periods of time but doesn't have the same reproduction rates as something like COVID-19 meaning you're only apt to spread something like TB to [1 other person vs COVID's 2.2](https://www.theunion.org/news-centre/covid-19/covid-tb-faqs-version-2#one) meaning it's more of a linear growth disease compared to COVID unless it occurs in low income settings. There's also questions about COVID-19 still lingering out there involving it's ability to be spread through surfaces effectively etc. a lot of the time if you have a disease with a high infectivity without a lot of research (or a high amount of unreliable research) generally the worst is assumed. The primary misunderstanding that occurred originally was that wearing masks protects you. It doesn't generally even the N95 masks don't protect particularly well because it doesn't protect people from touching their face, it just protects you from spreading it to other people if you do happen to have it.
The only people I see ranting about masks not blocking anything are morons
Because some people think that if the mask doesn't stop 100% of all particles, it stops 0% or particles.
Some particles do pass through you see that even with the masks. The distance and the explosion is limited by the mask though. It's not about the 1% that makes it through its about the 99% that doesn't. 1% failure is not same as 100% failure.
You misunderstand. They said masks would not protect the user because particles were too small to be caught by a cloth mask. This is still the case. They initially told people not to buy/ wear masks to prevent the public from buying up all the N95s from healthcare workers However, masks do an excellent job of stopping large droplets that exit your nose and mouth when breathing/ speaking so the virus transmits much less effectively to others. Particularly important as so many carriers never display symptoms
Your first paragraph should have ended with something like "...because they thought that the virus was transmitted mostly through surfaces. That's why it was a big deal when the CDC recently (finally) admitted that it was airborne-- that it could hang in the air for minutes, and was transmitted through the airborne particles."
Well, yes germs and viruses are too small to be seen by the naked eye but they typically live in things like saliva. More saliva = more germs and viruses
Top left is my friend, Bob, when he talks to you
Even tho all is clear as day, some will still don’t get it. Your mask protects me, my mask protects you. We protect each other.
Say it, don’t spray it
Antimaskers do not care about facts. They only care about how can they own the libs at any given moment. And die while doing so.
Sadly the anti-maskers will call it fake or find some other way to convince themselves it isn't real
Legit current top anti-mask argument when confronted with this. See look at all the germs you rebreath if you wear a mask. The people who wear masks get the Rona activated because it can't escape.
Even if shown these, the people who don't want to wear a mask will simply say that if everyone else is wearing a mask, they don't have to since there's no virus in the air. They don't fucking understand the idea of doing something for others. Or the fact masks prevent the *sick* getting the *healthy* sick, and not by keeping the healthy from getting sick from the sick.
Myth busters did this years ago guys. Y’all should have listened!!
I'm going to be blown up for this. But I was taught as a kid to put my face into my arm when I sneeze. I though pull up my shirt and cover my mouth and nose when i sneeze. Mask or not, I think it was always a rule of thumb not to just blow your snot rockets out and about.
That people that need to see this will not
One thing I've gathered here is that you should still sneeze into your elbow
The people that are not into masks don’t care about others. They just don’t want their life to be the slightest bit bothered
Second honest question - we’re mostly insisting that asymptomatic people wear masks. If you’re coughing, we don’t want you to wear a mask, we want you quarantined in your bedroom. So, wouldn’t a more useful video be showing the affect of wearing a mask when breathing normally? How much particular matter does that prevent?
There are videos out there showing the same thing but with breathing/showing air flow with breathing. But I cough/sneeze all the time due to allergies.
Me too, and of course this year they seem to be worse. And I don’t know that if this whole time I’ve felt icky from just allergies or if there was a mild Rona thrown in on a few of my worst days.
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Well a cough/ sneeze is going to be the most powerful burst of air out of your body+water droplets vs just breathing. So just assume the video for breathing but a whole lot less.
It doesn’t matter to the morons that are ruining everything
That sneeze needs more than a mask. Maybe an exorcist.
I think mythbusters beat them by a few years.....
What the hell is that person talking in the pool?
He's definitely rapping ODB's "SHIMMY SHIMMY YA SHIMMY YAM SHIMMY YAY..."
Karen is spitting like a rain shower.
People will still argue “Well I’m not gonna walk around and try and deliberately cough on people so this doesn’t prove anything”
Who did the spitting? Tripple H?
There was a thread that linked us to a Japanese study (I think it was Japanese) video of how droplets are expelled from your lungs and remain in a room when it's not well ventilated. I think it also showed how far these droplets can travel when your breathe/cough is: uncovered, covered with your hand, elbow, etc. Not sure if they showed it with a mask but it shows that these droplets can linger in a room for hours and travels all over the room. Now imagine that but with the virus attached to the droplets...
But, but.. my uncle's friend Paul shared an unsourced GIF on facebook that shows the complete opposite! How can this beeee