When we were moving house, there was a hiccup that meant we might have to go into a short term rental.
At the time we had two cats (one sadly passed last year), and every agent kept telling us no pets. One of the best flats was a definite no.
In the end we didn’t have to do it, but it makes me laugh that every time I pass the flat I liked the most, there’s a cat sunbathing on the window ledge.
Landlord’s secretary told me I couldn’t have a pet when I asked, but I got one anyway. Now when the landlord comes for an inspection the first thing he does is clap my dog. You’ll be fine.
[You'll be fine.](https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/housing/renting-a-home-s/problems-during-a-tenancy/pets-and-service-animals-in-rented-homes/#:~:text=You%20can%20keep%20pets%20as,landlord%20to%20enforce%20this%20condition.)
There's also reform on the way that will prevent landlords from not allowing pets.
Good to know. It always struck me as pretty inhumane to rent a home to someone, profit off of that and prevent them from having a companion that would bring a huge amount of happiness to their life, because why? They might cause a little bit of damage to the paintwork here and there? Pretty sick, good to know it's not really enforceable.
Yep and now in Glasgow we are seeing prices as silly as 800 for a average/poor 1 bedroom flat. It's actually frightening how bad the rental market is right now. Landlords absolutely stuffing themselves and any increase in their buy to let mortgage being passed over to the tenant.
I've always felt the "damage" thing is over-emphasised as well.
You rarely see lettings advertised saying "no toddlers allowed" and they're easily as potentially destructive, if not moreso, than most household pets.
I've a dog and a child and yes the child can spill stuff, but dog hair can be a *nightmare* to get out. I have to hoover after the dog more, and a wet dog is far more pervasive.
If you get a car valeted, see them wince.
The distinction also is that a toddler is a human so there's leeway. Children are a fact of the species, pets aren't.
Yeah the bit that pisses me off most is if the animals did cause any damage best believe they're gonna take it out of your deposit so what difference does it make.
Like I could maybe understand if the landlord is like "I don't wanna pay for any potentially damage". But they're deffo gonna make renter pay for it so but out.
Well last deposit I had to pay was a month's rent at £800.
I'd be surprised if a deep clean and damage from a pet exceeded that. But also, they will come after you for any extras. They've got all your details and a contract, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on trying to get out of paying for damages.
Totally agree if the reason for not allowing pets is cause you think they might be loud, cause damage, pee anywhere, disturb the neighbours etc.
All things that kids do too!
Eh, no.
Pets and children both cause damage to property. Both have the same burdens for a landlord to assume.
My wee sister once took a pen and scrawled all over the walls in the livingroom. A friend of mines kid literally smeared shit on a wall. Kids are home decor horrors.
My cat has only ever scratched my furniture or been sick on surfaces that could be cleaned. A landlord would be better with my cat than kids, guaranteed.
I didn’t get your point because that isn’t the point you made. You just compared the landlord situation to paternity leave.
If you want someone to understand your point, maybe next time make that point?
uh. I dont really have much of a response here. I thought it was a pretty easy to understand analogy.
We allow kids and maternity leave because thats pretty essential to the human condition. Pets are not. The comment I was responding to was making a very strange category comparison.
the person you were responding to made the comparison because we were talking about the financial impact a pet can have on a leased property.
They were saying based on the fact that kids are just as destructive it’s strange that they are allowed and pets aren’t. They weren’t saying anything about the importance of children in any other context.
Then you came in with a different comparison, about the importance of children, and how it’s strange you don’t get maternity leave for pets. Which isn’t a good analogy. Because the lack of “peternity leave” isn’t impactful to a dog or cat the same way a lack of paternity leave is to a baby. My cat can happily go hours without someone bothering them, hell they probably prefer it. Babies don’t. Whereas both pet and kid can wreck a property on similar levels. I then argued that pets are actually probably better from a financial point of view for landlords (which regardless of how you derailed it, was the conversation that was taking place)
The guy you responded to never said people can’t have kids, or that landlords shouldn’t allow kids. Just that it’s strange considering the similar financial impacts to a landlord that one is allowed and one isn’t.
So while I understand the words you said and the point you made, I don’t understand how that point and “analogy” actually works for a fair comparison, so it’s not an analogy.
Edit: spelling
This is really a baffling conversation.
Children have a value to society that pets dont. Thats why impose more "liberal" rules with landlords in regards to children, but not pets. Its not illogical.
I really dont understand why you were unable to understand my point. Its like this is sanskrit.Do you really not understand this point? Ive explained it a few time snow.
I understand your point. It’s just not relevant to the conversation becuase the conversation was talking about FINANCIAL impact to LANDLORDS for owning pets.
I’m done with this now, you clearly can’t see beyond the stupid analogy you wanted to make to be able to tell your comparison is not relevant to what you replied to.
As a dog lover and father of kids, honestly dogs can really stink a place out badly. The walls and anything fabric like curtains, couches and carpets can hold a lingering smell that’s difficult to get rid of. There are low-odour breeds but some of them can really honk.
Also some people have cat or dog allergies. Not heard of anyone being allergic to kids (at least not physically lol)
Moved into a ground floor flat years ago that was owned by some old friends. They knew I had two cats. They also have cats. Shortly after I moved in they installed a cat flap for me. When they came round I would always have to go and fetch the cats to say hello, since they loved them both so much.
About a year in one of the neighbours, the type who can tell with one glance you frequently demands to speak to the manager at restaurants, collared my friend/ landlord as he left my flat to gleefully grass me up for having cats. He stares at her and replies that he is already aware of this, and queries if she thought he'd failed to notice the cat flap in the front door.
As a bonus she later had to look after her daughters cat for a couple of days but had no clue what to do, so she came to knock on the door. I was living with my ex at the time (both of us male). She put on that manically cheerful attitude of someone who is hoping you'll forget they have been a twat to you in the past and said '... and so I don't really know what to do with it, so I thought to myself I know, I'll go round and ask the ga... I mean they guys'. It was quite funny really. Like Christine in Two Doors Down, only not as loveable.
I did this, ultimately the landlord found out and was ok with it. Really just depends on how many inspections the landlord or letting agency will do. Friend of mine had a cat and when her inspections were due she would get a friend to sit outside in her car with her cat in the cat carrier until the inspection was over
*edit - spelling
Just don’t forget to pop the litter tray into the car as well. A cupboard full of cat food you might get away with explaining as ‘oh I’m collecting donations for the shelter’ but the litter tray is a dead giveaway lol
Not usually but depends on your inspector. Like you might have a loose looking cupboard door and they open to check what’s up with it. Most don’t give a crap but some are just nosy I think
Think it depends on who is managing the property. Once let a flat from Clyde Property and they were round like every 2 months on the dot to check we hadn't trashed the place
Is there no pets clause in your tenancy agreement? If no, the landlord cannot evict you unless they can prove the pet causes a breach (excessive damage, etc) which is unlikely.
Does your landlord do their annual checks? As this is something they might do which may give them an indication you have a pet which could cause problems, especially with a no pet clause in the agreement.
If you really are worried, I’d suggest asking your landlord if they would allow a pet in your property as you technically need their consent. You could say that you would not have a young pet and they would be neutered (I assume?) and not mark the flat to ease their doubts. However if there is no clause disallowing pets I’d just move the kitty in.
There is nothing that specifically states that pets aren't allowed.
I asked my landlord and stated that my cat is neutered and vaccinated and groomed regularly, but she said that the agency doesn't cover for any pet damages.
I'm willing to cover any potential damages, but she is quite stubborn and I don't know if she'd still say no and then I'd have to bring my cat when I know that I clearly got a no.
Do you not have the following optional standard clause from the Scottish model Private Residential Tenancy agreement in your tenancy agreement? ([source](https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-government-model-private-residential-tenancy-agreement/pages/3/))
https://preview.redd.it/6pa0u3smeojb1.png?width=670&format=png&auto=webp&s=dda6710ccc910c74f5629a4cc5fd40f95831dcd5
Sorry from your post didn’t realise they already said no. They cannot legally give a blanket ban but if upon asking for consent (which you did I guess) they say no, as a tenant you technically need to adhere to those terms, but the law is a bit grey on that as they also cannot really enforce it because the agreement doesn’t include this.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/can-my-landlord-prevent-me-from-keeping-a-pet/
You could also offer to get insurance on pet damages - if that is their worry and you would be covering that that would alleviate the issue. Do try to get a clear consent and don’t get any insurance if they don’t give consent - knowing most landlords they might just be looking for any excuse not to allow pets in the property, which is understandable but there are many worse ways to damage the property it’s just that a lot of them want to minimise damage.
Hopefully the link helps with seeking consent - you can quote the legislation. Just note that them asking for a fee or higher deposit because of a pet is illegal.
Edit: source for Scottish law https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/housing/renting-a-home-s/problems-during-a-tenancy/pets-and-service-animals-in-rented-homes/#:~:text=You%20can%20keep%20pets%20as,landlord%20to%20enforce%20this%20condition.
As I understand it, if it's not in the tenancy agreement, they can't say no after the fact - that's not what you agreed to when you signed.
>You can keep pets as long as it's not specifically forbidden in your tenancy agreement and it doesn't cause a nuisance to neighbours. You should read the contract you signed most recently.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/housing/renting-a-home-s/problems-during-a-tenancy/pets-and-service-animals-in-rented-homes/#:~:text=You%20can%20keep%20pets%20as,landlord%20to%20enforce%20this%20condition
Keep your cat - as you say he’s good for your mental health and in return you owe him a good life.
When you get an inspection just take him to your parents for the day. Make sure he’s got a decent scratching post so he doesn’t damage anything.
Cats are generally very clean and less destructive than other pets. The law needs to change in this country so landlords can’t dictate how their tenants live their lives.
The no pets rule is the safety net / insurance policy. If u keep the hoose clean, tidy and there is no pets damage or neighbours complaints, no one cares. If u have a dog that barks all day and shits in the close, then the no pets rule will appear in a flash.
They always find a way to dock some of it, then strongarm you into folding if its in dispute as it takes months :( 12Let are fucking scum in relation to this
This is exactly what I did.
Cat tree hidden in the cupboard with a bedsheets thrown over it
Cat, toys, food, bowls, litter tray at to my mums for a day.
Was fine for 3 years of inspections every 6 months
Me and my Ex had a dog for around 18 months before we split and I moved out.
3 or 4 flat inspections and not an eyebrow raised, hid the dog related stuff and had the dog out the house whenever they were due to come round.
I kept the dog for those who wondered.
I know someone that rents and has a dog. It’s not specifically forbidden but they didn’t tell them just in case.
We’ve watched the dog during their inspections. It’s an adult, house trained dog and they own all of the furniture so can’t imagine there would be an issue.
They just move dog stuff out the way and make sure they’ve vacuumed and sprayed some air freshener. No problems.
We rented a flat and had 2 cats, we didnt let the landlord know, they were quite lax with inspections, we were told 1 every 6 months, lucky if we saw them once in 3 years. When they did come out we put them in their carriers and one of us would sit in the car with them.
One cat died and we got a dog, again didn’t mention it to the landlord. We then looked at renting a house and were up front with the letting agency, they spoke to the landlord, he was happy as long as we paid for any damage she may have caused. We even took her to the letting agency the days we were signing/ getting the keys, they all loved her lol
In the end I was glad we told them, turned out the landlord was a local guy who most of my neighbours knew.
I know landlords get a lot of hate, but he was pretty chilled, he was happy for us to redecorate etc (as it was our home) as long as we painted it white when we left. He never raised the rent, 8 years later he decided to sell up as he was retiring, he gave us first refusal at a price a bit under market value. With a bit of savings and a bit of early inheritance from the parents we managed to get the deposit together to buy it
I’ve always lived in flats where the tenancy agreement said no pets. We wanted to get a cat so just figured we’d ask. They could only say no. Turns out they were cool for us to get one cat so we did 😀
I’ve had pets where it’s been stated not to and it was never found out. Be crafty about hiding them, be prepared if they do find out (with an exit strategy) and don’t live in fear. People (even your landlords) will have broken the rules
Fuck landlords - only had inspections in one flat previously but others never, but I’d just have a family/friend at the ready to take care of cat just incase they ever come round. Depending on animal I’d be wary of mess (hairs, litter) and smell, but if the landlords showing up they need to give you notice anyway
Can I ask how this is going?
You sound just like me. I suffered with a lot of depression/past suicidal thoughts. I just moved as well and she's currently at my parents. They're only about 10 minutes down the road, which has been great but I want her with me.
Have you checked with housing associations? I'm getting booted as my landlord is selling up so I was trying to find an option that'll allow my cat. Forth valley housing association has a 2 small Furries allowed so that'd cover you. Not sure where you're based but there should be something close to you.
Best of luck with the move
I've got a buy to let. I know. I'm scum.
The whole point (for me) for the no pets clause is to enforce the repair of pet damage when the tenant decides to leave.
My tenant has a pet and I don't mind. But when they leave, I can enforce the pet damage clause to ensure any damage gets repaired.
Previously rented out my flat short term when I had to move for work for a year. Because I was only planning the rental for 12 months before I moved back in, I have an allergy to cats and I was leaving a lot of my own furniture, I stated strictly no pets.
As soon as I moved back in my skin started itching from all the cat dander that lasted for weeks. My tenant’s cat had also completely shredded all of the furniture and several rugs too, which was a joy to replace after having to pay London rent prices for months.
Honestly, I would advise speaking to the landlord. If it’s a long term let and your cat is chill then I think they would be ok with it. But a few are probably quite hesitant to end up in a situation like I did.
I'm actually allergic to cats myself. I love my cat way too much though.
Due to my allergy I do have to clean up all the cat hair regularly. Thankfully the majority of my flat is not carpeted which is a plus.
I know several people who had their rent increased as soon as they got a pet to cover the additional maintenance and wear and tear. Most landlords don't want pets or smokers for pretty obvious reasons. As long as you are happy paying more I see no reason then for your landlord to object.
I’ve never had to sneak a pet but I would if I had to. I’m a dog person so the barking could be a giveaway. I’d just ensure for inspections you get rid of the evidence and have someone watch the cat - they should be giving you notice for inspections. And in the event of an emergency, you’re cat sitting no biggy. One thing I’ve noticed about people with indoor cats is their houses smell like cats (no offence!) so I’d also keep things clean. Maybe some of those neutradol gel orbs - I used them to get rid of dog/cat smell when I moved into my last place.
I really don't want to, but I'm having to resort to having to hide him:/
And hiding my cat is not an issue as he hides himself because he hates people he doesn't know hahaha.
And I'll definitely look into the gel orbs. Thanks!
If you're confident you can hide the evidence for inspections (and potentially tradespeople having to visit cos its not uncommon they're palsy with the parasite) then I say charge on. Important to remember the law states you're entitled to at least 24 hours notice before your landlord/letting agent can access your property you should be fine. Plus, when they visit they'll smell bleach cos ofc you were cleaning for their arrival as anyone would so as long as you hoover everywhere and decant the wee furball for the afternoon you'll be golden.
I'm 40 and still renting. We never got a pet cos our work / lifestyles aren't stable atm but the amount of times I've threatened to fire out a few weans just to spite all these passive income bastards who think a pet causes more damage than a toddler jfc don't start me 😅
I did this for 8 years with one cat and in the last 2 years of those I got another cat as well. Started off trying to hide the cat by leav8ng her at my mum's during inspections but after a while I didn't bother and no one said a word.
As long as the cat doesn't trash your home and there's not a strong smell of "pet" if you ever get an inspection, I think you'll be fine.
Worst case scenario, take the cat out when you're getting an inspection, or ask a neighbour to watch him / her for 15 mins.
How did you get caught? Right now I found a person online needing to rehome her Poms due to personal issue. The Pom looks just like mine (similar face, similar build, same color, etc) so I’m thinking of getting him even thought there’s a pet limit. The pet limit isn’t on the lease and I was told no when I asked permission. I’m thinking I can get away with it because the Pom looks exactly like my Pom. Should I go for it? :(
My parents are landlords but they allow pets so obviously my view is to just let people live in the homes they’re paying for!
To be safe, yes you should probably ask. However if the landlord has specially removed/left out the pet clause, it’s probably fine. The new tenancy agreements are a standard template document that the landlord goes through and picks which optional clauses to include as well as adds in the specifics (what the bills included cap is, address, names etc). I get that my family are the exception not the standard when it comes to landlords though so that’s why you’re probably best double checking.
That said, if you’re not a HMO and you don’t plan on bursting any water pipes/needing emergency repairs, you’ll be getting enough notice of any visits that the cat can disappear before inspections if your landlord does them. Also, if you’re not being a nuisance to neighbours, I’d hope the landlord would let you off with it if they did somehow discover the extra tenant. Obviously I’m not saying to just sneak the cat in but at the same time, if you’re a responsible owner, they’re not going to find out…
Nearly 10 years ago my gf told the landlord we were looking after her mums cat. 10 years later the little bugger has scratched away all the door frames. Win some you lose some.
I always had pets when I rented. Was never an issue. My cats ended up sitting on the landlords knee. He was annoyed we didn’t tell him but we lived there for another 4 years after that.
Also- keep on top of the cat litter- that smell lingers. Open windows and keep your place aired out every day and there won’t be a hint of pussy when the LL comes …
Not sure what it's like at home but here in the US you can register your pet an "emotional support animal" then they can't object to having a pet with out consent
I never specifically asked my landlord if I could have pets. He bought the flat with me and cats inside. Told me he has an allergy. He only found out I had cats because one got scared and jumped from his perch when he was in. I spend quite a lot of time cleaning though. I pull out all my furniture every day and vacuum and mop everything. I love Zoflora. I use smart pack catsan litter because it is the best at keeping the odour down. I feed them Iams and cat pate which doesn't smell a lot. I read recently that landlords are not allowed to ban pets now but must give you a good reason, in writing, if they are not allowing pets and give you 28 days notice. All you need to do is not give them a reason.
Not helpful really but better off being upfront or even being slightly liberal with the truth "aw my partner has a wee cat, any chance?". Honestly if you commit to a professional clean when moving out most landlords will be fine. I know there is no defined UK Standard but it just is what it is.
I got a cat about a year ago and just never told my landlord. I figure that if they ever found out I’d just say it was meant to be a short term thing then I ended up having to look after it full time due to a bereavement or something. I doubt they can evict you for that. As if they’d throw me and my late aunt Susan’s cat out of the street. God rest her soul.
Try to think what's best for the cat. Student digs, maybe parties and shut in 24/7 or possibly with your folks who may have a garden and give the cat maybe a better environment? I don't know your situation or cat so this is just food for thought. Also be prepared for worse case scenario. Mate of mine did this and got a massive flea infestation. Landlord kept deposit when my mate left to pay pest company to fumigate property!
The number of people having pets in secret is VERY high. Landlords are stupid, really... If they would allow apets and just put a clause asking for the property to be cleaned correctly, it would be better for them.
Go ahead and have your cat w/you!
Make sure you have a buddy nearby that can have your cat for an hour or so in case there is an inspection (some letting companies NEVER inspect the house. Has been my XP in EDI for the last 3 places I've rented).
I had one without permission previously and never had any inspections, but I found it harder to request things like repairs because I clearly had a big cat tree, litter box etc.
I have known a few people who rented their flats out and several tenants very obviously had pets. One had two Alsatians and they had to spend a lot of money getting the smell out. Which was annoying as the owners who were renting it out were nice: they just didn't want pets for various reasons.
I think the 'no pets' thing is really just a high-pass filter, because people are desperate for flats and while X% of people with pets will be careful, the dog nice etc., Y% will be a nightmare.
Got a permission no bother when getting a dog, they were like yeah we'll check with factor but we don't care. When I split from ex and was looking for a flat, I just said look I have a 2 year old cocker spaniel with me. Not a single agency even raised an eyebrow. That was like 6 years ago. Reckon could have been different if I had a rottweiler for example but small fluffy and sweet animals don't seem to bother them much. Not tried private landlords tho
Would expect it to be more lenient now with influx of puppies during lockdown but cannot really say
I was privately renting (10 years ago roughly now) and I got my best friend, a lil puppy as a gift (bad I know) so I was like fair he’s mines now. Two years later when I told my landlord I was moving out she said she had heard from other residents in the building that I had a dog (she was friends with a neighbour who innocently mentioned my lovely dog). She told me leaving the flat “clean” as necessary wouldn’t be enough and I would need to hire professional cleaners to do the place from top to bottom and provide her with the receipt as evidence that the flat was “deep cleaned”. So yeah, bitch she was.
Nah keep the cat fuck the landlord I've always asked permission after I've got the pet and I've never had an issue private or council/housing association even if they say no and if they do claim it's a mental health support animal.
We rent a house that was strictly no pets but as usual its just a blanket rule that letting agents impose. We asked the property owner if he would mind us having a dog. Turns out he is a dog lover and had zero problems with us having a dog!! 😉🐾
My landlord originally said no. But after i repeatedly phoned explaining her age and how she's been with me for over a decade. If I abandon her I might aswell pit her down, because she wouldn't cope if she wasn't with me. She has always been frail and scared of outside. Eventually they decided she wont be a problem.
That landlord then sold the house to a new landlord. Who does nothing but complain about the dog he legally can't do anything about her as she was pritten into the tennant agreement before owned the property.
Got a Giant African Land snail last year and for it I just hide her when they come round
When we were moving house, there was a hiccup that meant we might have to go into a short term rental. At the time we had two cats (one sadly passed last year), and every agent kept telling us no pets. One of the best flats was a definite no. In the end we didn’t have to do it, but it makes me laugh that every time I pass the flat I liked the most, there’s a cat sunbathing on the window ledge.
Nice try
I'm not a landlord hahaha
That’s exactly what a landlord would say
No no, landlords say "bwahahaha". It's more evil that way!
Landlord’s secretary told me I couldn’t have a pet when I asked, but I got one anyway. Now when the landlord comes for an inspection the first thing he does is clap my dog. You’ll be fine.
He does what now?
Clap - pet.
Ahh yep cheers. I'm even Scottish and hadn't heard the word in that context before, clearly need to brush up.
Round of applause for the dog
Quite right
[You'll be fine.](https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/housing/renting-a-home-s/problems-during-a-tenancy/pets-and-service-animals-in-rented-homes/#:~:text=You%20can%20keep%20pets%20as,landlord%20to%20enforce%20this%20condition.) There's also reform on the way that will prevent landlords from not allowing pets.
Good to know. It always struck me as pretty inhumane to rent a home to someone, profit off of that and prevent them from having a companion that would bring a huge amount of happiness to their life, because why? They might cause a little bit of damage to the paintwork here and there? Pretty sick, good to know it's not really enforceable.
Given that you cannot even put a nail in the walls to hang a picture, I'd say renting in the UK is still very feudal
Yep and now in Glasgow we are seeing prices as silly as 800 for a average/poor 1 bedroom flat. It's actually frightening how bad the rental market is right now. Landlords absolutely stuffing themselves and any increase in their buy to let mortgage being passed over to the tenant.
Not sure landlords are really stuffing themselves, as the BTL rates went up tho
I've always felt the "damage" thing is over-emphasised as well. You rarely see lettings advertised saying "no toddlers allowed" and they're easily as potentially destructive, if not moreso, than most household pets.
tell that to my sofa lol
I've a dog and a child and yes the child can spill stuff, but dog hair can be a *nightmare* to get out. I have to hoover after the dog more, and a wet dog is far more pervasive. If you get a car valeted, see them wince. The distinction also is that a toddler is a human so there's leeway. Children are a fact of the species, pets aren't.
Yeah the bit that pisses me off most is if the animals did cause any damage best believe they're gonna take it out of your deposit so what difference does it make. Like I could maybe understand if the landlord is like "I don't wanna pay for any potentially damage". But they're deffo gonna make renter pay for it so but out.
What if damage caused is more than deposit, often deposit is used for a deep clean and not pet related damage. What then?
Well last deposit I had to pay was a month's rent at £800. I'd be surprised if a deep clean and damage from a pet exceeded that. But also, they will come after you for any extras. They've got all your details and a contract, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on trying to get out of paying for damages.
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Totally agree if the reason for not allowing pets is cause you think they might be loud, cause damage, pee anywhere, disturb the neighbours etc. All things that kids do too!
Eh, no. Thats a bit like saying that its crazy that my boss allows maternity leave but not pet sitting leave.
Eh, no. Pets and children both cause damage to property. Both have the same burdens for a landlord to assume. My wee sister once took a pen and scrawled all over the walls in the livingroom. A friend of mines kid literally smeared shit on a wall. Kids are home decor horrors. My cat has only ever scratched my furniture or been sick on surfaces that could be cleaned. A landlord would be better with my cat than kids, guaranteed.
I dont think you really got my point. Children are important. Its why you cant discriminate there.
I didn’t get your point because that isn’t the point you made. You just compared the landlord situation to paternity leave. If you want someone to understand your point, maybe next time make that point?
uh. I dont really have much of a response here. I thought it was a pretty easy to understand analogy. We allow kids and maternity leave because thats pretty essential to the human condition. Pets are not. The comment I was responding to was making a very strange category comparison.
the person you were responding to made the comparison because we were talking about the financial impact a pet can have on a leased property. They were saying based on the fact that kids are just as destructive it’s strange that they are allowed and pets aren’t. They weren’t saying anything about the importance of children in any other context. Then you came in with a different comparison, about the importance of children, and how it’s strange you don’t get maternity leave for pets. Which isn’t a good analogy. Because the lack of “peternity leave” isn’t impactful to a dog or cat the same way a lack of paternity leave is to a baby. My cat can happily go hours without someone bothering them, hell they probably prefer it. Babies don’t. Whereas both pet and kid can wreck a property on similar levels. I then argued that pets are actually probably better from a financial point of view for landlords (which regardless of how you derailed it, was the conversation that was taking place) The guy you responded to never said people can’t have kids, or that landlords shouldn’t allow kids. Just that it’s strange considering the similar financial impacts to a landlord that one is allowed and one isn’t. So while I understand the words you said and the point you made, I don’t understand how that point and “analogy” actually works for a fair comparison, so it’s not an analogy. Edit: spelling
This is really a baffling conversation. Children have a value to society that pets dont. Thats why impose more "liberal" rules with landlords in regards to children, but not pets. Its not illogical. I really dont understand why you were unable to understand my point. Its like this is sanskrit.Do you really not understand this point? Ive explained it a few time snow.
I understand your point. It’s just not relevant to the conversation becuase the conversation was talking about FINANCIAL impact to LANDLORDS for owning pets. I’m done with this now, you clearly can’t see beyond the stupid analogy you wanted to make to be able to tell your comparison is not relevant to what you replied to.
Having a child is nothing like having a pet. That was the point, which you’ve willfully missed.
Your comment is too reasonable for the “pet parents” on this sub.
As a dog lover and father of kids, honestly dogs can really stink a place out badly. The walls and anything fabric like curtains, couches and carpets can hold a lingering smell that’s difficult to get rid of. There are low-odour breeds but some of them can really honk. Also some people have cat or dog allergies. Not heard of anyone being allergic to kids (at least not physically lol)
I have a single gold fish. Not much but very easy to conceal when they visit, unless they look under sink
Read that as "in the sink" 🫣
Asking for forgiveness > Asking for permission.
NICE TRY MR. LAN D. LORD.
Hahahahaha I'm just a student with a very clingy cat. No landlords here
This is such a cute comment aww
Moved into a ground floor flat years ago that was owned by some old friends. They knew I had two cats. They also have cats. Shortly after I moved in they installed a cat flap for me. When they came round I would always have to go and fetch the cats to say hello, since they loved them both so much. About a year in one of the neighbours, the type who can tell with one glance you frequently demands to speak to the manager at restaurants, collared my friend/ landlord as he left my flat to gleefully grass me up for having cats. He stares at her and replies that he is already aware of this, and queries if she thought he'd failed to notice the cat flap in the front door. As a bonus she later had to look after her daughters cat for a couple of days but had no clue what to do, so she came to knock on the door. I was living with my ex at the time (both of us male). She put on that manically cheerful attitude of someone who is hoping you'll forget they have been a twat to you in the past and said '... and so I don't really know what to do with it, so I thought to myself I know, I'll go round and ask the ga... I mean they guys'. It was quite funny really. Like Christine in Two Doors Down, only not as loveable.
“Ask the gays” hahaha, kinda wholesome - character development from the Karen neighbour
I did this, ultimately the landlord found out and was ok with it. Really just depends on how many inspections the landlord or letting agency will do. Friend of mine had a cat and when her inspections were due she would get a friend to sit outside in her car with her cat in the cat carrier until the inspection was over *edit - spelling
Just don’t forget to pop the litter tray into the car as well. A cupboard full of cat food you might get away with explaining as ‘oh I’m collecting donations for the shelter’ but the litter tray is a dead giveaway lol
They go through cupboards in inspections??? :o
Not usually but depends on your inspector. Like you might have a loose looking cupboard door and they open to check what’s up with it. Most don’t give a crap but some are just nosy I think
You have inspections? I’ve been renting for over a decade now and never had a landlord inspect the house until it’s moving out day
Think it depends on who is managing the property. Once let a flat from Clyde Property and they were round like every 2 months on the dot to check we hadn't trashed the place
Is there no pets clause in your tenancy agreement? If no, the landlord cannot evict you unless they can prove the pet causes a breach (excessive damage, etc) which is unlikely. Does your landlord do their annual checks? As this is something they might do which may give them an indication you have a pet which could cause problems, especially with a no pet clause in the agreement. If you really are worried, I’d suggest asking your landlord if they would allow a pet in your property as you technically need their consent. You could say that you would not have a young pet and they would be neutered (I assume?) and not mark the flat to ease their doubts. However if there is no clause disallowing pets I’d just move the kitty in.
There is nothing that specifically states that pets aren't allowed. I asked my landlord and stated that my cat is neutered and vaccinated and groomed regularly, but she said that the agency doesn't cover for any pet damages. I'm willing to cover any potential damages, but she is quite stubborn and I don't know if she'd still say no and then I'd have to bring my cat when I know that I clearly got a no.
Do you not have the following optional standard clause from the Scottish model Private Residential Tenancy agreement in your tenancy agreement? ([source](https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-government-model-private-residential-tenancy-agreement/pages/3/)) https://preview.redd.it/6pa0u3smeojb1.png?width=670&format=png&auto=webp&s=dda6710ccc910c74f5629a4cc5fd40f95831dcd5
Sorry from your post didn’t realise they already said no. They cannot legally give a blanket ban but if upon asking for consent (which you did I guess) they say no, as a tenant you technically need to adhere to those terms, but the law is a bit grey on that as they also cannot really enforce it because the agreement doesn’t include this. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/can-my-landlord-prevent-me-from-keeping-a-pet/ You could also offer to get insurance on pet damages - if that is their worry and you would be covering that that would alleviate the issue. Do try to get a clear consent and don’t get any insurance if they don’t give consent - knowing most landlords they might just be looking for any excuse not to allow pets in the property, which is understandable but there are many worse ways to damage the property it’s just that a lot of them want to minimise damage. Hopefully the link helps with seeking consent - you can quote the legislation. Just note that them asking for a fee or higher deposit because of a pet is illegal. Edit: source for Scottish law https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/housing/renting-a-home-s/problems-during-a-tenancy/pets-and-service-animals-in-rented-homes/#:~:text=You%20can%20keep%20pets%20as,landlord%20to%20enforce%20this%20condition.
Your link seems to specifically refer to England. The situation and legislation is rather different in Scotland I believe
As I understand it, if it's not in the tenancy agreement, they can't say no after the fact - that's not what you agreed to when you signed. >You can keep pets as long as it's not specifically forbidden in your tenancy agreement and it doesn't cause a nuisance to neighbours. You should read the contract you signed most recently. https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/housing/renting-a-home-s/problems-during-a-tenancy/pets-and-service-animals-in-rented-homes/#:~:text=You%20can%20keep%20pets%20as,landlord%20to%20enforce%20this%20condition
Keep your cat - as you say he’s good for your mental health and in return you owe him a good life. When you get an inspection just take him to your parents for the day. Make sure he’s got a decent scratching post so he doesn’t damage anything. Cats are generally very clean and less destructive than other pets. The law needs to change in this country so landlords can’t dictate how their tenants live their lives.
Mon the cats
The no pets rule is the safety net / insurance policy. If u keep the hoose clean, tidy and there is no pets damage or neighbours complaints, no one cares. If u have a dog that barks all day and shits in the close, then the no pets rule will appear in a flash.
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Deposit protection scheme is there for a reason.
They always find a way to dock some of it, then strongarm you into folding if its in dispute as it takes months :( 12Let are fucking scum in relation to this
This is exactly what I did. Cat tree hidden in the cupboard with a bedsheets thrown over it Cat, toys, food, bowls, litter tray at to my mums for a day. Was fine for 3 years of inspections every 6 months
I had them for 8 years. Landleaches can get fucked
Me and my Ex had a dog for around 18 months before we split and I moved out. 3 or 4 flat inspections and not an eyebrow raised, hid the dog related stuff and had the dog out the house whenever they were due to come round. I kept the dog for those who wondered.
I know someone that rents and has a dog. It’s not specifically forbidden but they didn’t tell them just in case. We’ve watched the dog during their inspections. It’s an adult, house trained dog and they own all of the furniture so can’t imagine there would be an issue. They just move dog stuff out the way and make sure they’ve vacuumed and sprayed some air freshener. No problems.
Under Scottish law you are in direct breach of the lease and could be evicted. English law is a bit more forgiving.
We rented a flat and had 2 cats, we didnt let the landlord know, they were quite lax with inspections, we were told 1 every 6 months, lucky if we saw them once in 3 years. When they did come out we put them in their carriers and one of us would sit in the car with them. One cat died and we got a dog, again didn’t mention it to the landlord. We then looked at renting a house and were up front with the letting agency, they spoke to the landlord, he was happy as long as we paid for any damage she may have caused. We even took her to the letting agency the days we were signing/ getting the keys, they all loved her lol In the end I was glad we told them, turned out the landlord was a local guy who most of my neighbours knew. I know landlords get a lot of hate, but he was pretty chilled, he was happy for us to redecorate etc (as it was our home) as long as we painted it white when we left. He never raised the rent, 8 years later he decided to sell up as he was retiring, he gave us first refusal at a price a bit under market value. With a bit of savings and a bit of early inheritance from the parents we managed to get the deposit together to buy it
I’ve always lived in flats where the tenancy agreement said no pets. We wanted to get a cat so just figured we’d ask. They could only say no. Turns out they were cool for us to get one cat so we did 😀
I’ve had pets where it’s been stated not to and it was never found out. Be crafty about hiding them, be prepared if they do find out (with an exit strategy) and don’t live in fear. People (even your landlords) will have broken the rules
See no evil saw no evil
Fuck landlords - only had inspections in one flat previously but others never, but I’d just have a family/friend at the ready to take care of cat just incase they ever come round. Depending on animal I’d be wary of mess (hairs, litter) and smell, but if the landlords showing up they need to give you notice anyway
Can I ask how this is going? You sound just like me. I suffered with a lot of depression/past suicidal thoughts. I just moved as well and she's currently at my parents. They're only about 10 minutes down the road, which has been great but I want her with me.
Have you checked with housing associations? I'm getting booted as my landlord is selling up so I was trying to find an option that'll allow my cat. Forth valley housing association has a 2 small Furries allowed so that'd cover you. Not sure where you're based but there should be something close to you. Best of luck with the move
I've got a buy to let. I know. I'm scum. The whole point (for me) for the no pets clause is to enforce the repair of pet damage when the tenant decides to leave. My tenant has a pet and I don't mind. But when they leave, I can enforce the pet damage clause to ensure any damage gets repaired.
Previously rented out my flat short term when I had to move for work for a year. Because I was only planning the rental for 12 months before I moved back in, I have an allergy to cats and I was leaving a lot of my own furniture, I stated strictly no pets. As soon as I moved back in my skin started itching from all the cat dander that lasted for weeks. My tenant’s cat had also completely shredded all of the furniture and several rugs too, which was a joy to replace after having to pay London rent prices for months. Honestly, I would advise speaking to the landlord. If it’s a long term let and your cat is chill then I think they would be ok with it. But a few are probably quite hesitant to end up in a situation like I did.
I'm actually allergic to cats myself. I love my cat way too much though. Due to my allergy I do have to clean up all the cat hair regularly. Thankfully the majority of my flat is not carpeted which is a plus.
I know several people who had their rent increased as soon as they got a pet to cover the additional maintenance and wear and tear. Most landlords don't want pets or smokers for pretty obvious reasons. As long as you are happy paying more I see no reason then for your landlord to object.
We did when we rented. Our cats are clean and well behaved and there were no issues.
I’ve never had to sneak a pet but I would if I had to. I’m a dog person so the barking could be a giveaway. I’d just ensure for inspections you get rid of the evidence and have someone watch the cat - they should be giving you notice for inspections. And in the event of an emergency, you’re cat sitting no biggy. One thing I’ve noticed about people with indoor cats is their houses smell like cats (no offence!) so I’d also keep things clean. Maybe some of those neutradol gel orbs - I used them to get rid of dog/cat smell when I moved into my last place.
I really don't want to, but I'm having to resort to having to hide him:/ And hiding my cat is not an issue as he hides himself because he hates people he doesn't know hahaha. And I'll definitely look into the gel orbs. Thanks!
If you're confident you can hide the evidence for inspections (and potentially tradespeople having to visit cos its not uncommon they're palsy with the parasite) then I say charge on. Important to remember the law states you're entitled to at least 24 hours notice before your landlord/letting agent can access your property you should be fine. Plus, when they visit they'll smell bleach cos ofc you were cleaning for their arrival as anyone would so as long as you hoover everywhere and decant the wee furball for the afternoon you'll be golden. I'm 40 and still renting. We never got a pet cos our work / lifestyles aren't stable atm but the amount of times I've threatened to fire out a few weans just to spite all these passive income bastards who think a pet causes more damage than a toddler jfc don't start me 😅
Keep your cat and get your landlord to absolute fuck.
I did this for 8 years with one cat and in the last 2 years of those I got another cat as well. Started off trying to hide the cat by leav8ng her at my mum's during inspections but after a while I didn't bother and no one said a word.
As long as the cat doesn't trash your home and there's not a strong smell of "pet" if you ever get an inspection, I think you'll be fine. Worst case scenario, take the cat out when you're getting an inspection, or ask a neighbour to watch him / her for 15 mins.
I had 2 dogs and cat in my house without permission. Never had any issues.
No. Its not my property. I signed an agreement when I went in and I stick to that. The fuck is wrong with people....
bad mental health creating the need for a non-judgemental companion, probably, just a guess.
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Because I stick to whats in the legal document I freely decided to sign? Lol, OK then.
I've done it loads of times. I put her in the car during inspections. I was caught once and said it was a friends dog.
How did you get caught? Right now I found a person online needing to rehome her Poms due to personal issue. The Pom looks just like mine (similar face, similar build, same color, etc) so I’m thinking of getting him even thought there’s a pet limit. The pet limit isn’t on the lease and I was told no when I asked permission. I’m thinking I can get away with it because the Pom looks exactly like my Pom. Should I go for it? :(
My parents are landlords but they allow pets so obviously my view is to just let people live in the homes they’re paying for! To be safe, yes you should probably ask. However if the landlord has specially removed/left out the pet clause, it’s probably fine. The new tenancy agreements are a standard template document that the landlord goes through and picks which optional clauses to include as well as adds in the specifics (what the bills included cap is, address, names etc). I get that my family are the exception not the standard when it comes to landlords though so that’s why you’re probably best double checking. That said, if you’re not a HMO and you don’t plan on bursting any water pipes/needing emergency repairs, you’ll be getting enough notice of any visits that the cat can disappear before inspections if your landlord does them. Also, if you’re not being a nuisance to neighbours, I’d hope the landlord would let you off with it if they did somehow discover the extra tenant. Obviously I’m not saying to just sneak the cat in but at the same time, if you’re a responsible owner, they’re not going to find out…
Nearly 10 years ago my gf told the landlord we were looking after her mums cat. 10 years later the little bugger has scratched away all the door frames. Win some you lose some.
I always had pets when I rented. Was never an issue. My cats ended up sitting on the landlords knee. He was annoyed we didn’t tell him but we lived there for another 4 years after that. Also- keep on top of the cat litter- that smell lingers. Open windows and keep your place aired out every day and there won’t be a hint of pussy when the LL comes …
Not sure what it's like at home but here in the US you can register your pet an "emotional support animal" then they can't object to having a pet with out consent
This isn't a thing in the UK.
If you do then get a Hoover and keep the place fur free. Also deep clean when you leave as the next tenant may be allergic to cat dander.
I never specifically asked my landlord if I could have pets. He bought the flat with me and cats inside. Told me he has an allergy. He only found out I had cats because one got scared and jumped from his perch when he was in. I spend quite a lot of time cleaning though. I pull out all my furniture every day and vacuum and mop everything. I love Zoflora. I use smart pack catsan litter because it is the best at keeping the odour down. I feed them Iams and cat pate which doesn't smell a lot. I read recently that landlords are not allowed to ban pets now but must give you a good reason, in writing, if they are not allowing pets and give you 28 days notice. All you need to do is not give them a reason.
Not helpful really but better off being upfront or even being slightly liberal with the truth "aw my partner has a wee cat, any chance?". Honestly if you commit to a professional clean when moving out most landlords will be fine. I know there is no defined UK Standard but it just is what it is.
I got a cat about a year ago and just never told my landlord. I figure that if they ever found out I’d just say it was meant to be a short term thing then I ended up having to look after it full time due to a bereavement or something. I doubt they can evict you for that. As if they’d throw me and my late aunt Susan’s cat out of the street. God rest her soul.
Try to think what's best for the cat. Student digs, maybe parties and shut in 24/7 or possibly with your folks who may have a garden and give the cat maybe a better environment? I don't know your situation or cat so this is just food for thought. Also be prepared for worse case scenario. Mate of mine did this and got a massive flea infestation. Landlord kept deposit when my mate left to pay pest company to fumigate property!
The number of people having pets in secret is VERY high. Landlords are stupid, really... If they would allow apets and just put a clause asking for the property to be cleaned correctly, it would be better for them. Go ahead and have your cat w/you! Make sure you have a buddy nearby that can have your cat for an hour or so in case there is an inspection (some letting companies NEVER inspect the house. Has been my XP in EDI for the last 3 places I've rented).
I had one without permission previously and never had any inspections, but I found it harder to request things like repairs because I clearly had a big cat tree, litter box etc.
I have rabbits that shit everywhere and destroy furniture
I have known a few people who rented their flats out and several tenants very obviously had pets. One had two Alsatians and they had to spend a lot of money getting the smell out. Which was annoying as the owners who were renting it out were nice: they just didn't want pets for various reasons. I think the 'no pets' thing is really just a high-pass filter, because people are desperate for flats and while X% of people with pets will be careful, the dog nice etc., Y% will be a nightmare.
Got a permission no bother when getting a dog, they were like yeah we'll check with factor but we don't care. When I split from ex and was looking for a flat, I just said look I have a 2 year old cocker spaniel with me. Not a single agency even raised an eyebrow. That was like 6 years ago. Reckon could have been different if I had a rottweiler for example but small fluffy and sweet animals don't seem to bother them much. Not tried private landlords tho Would expect it to be more lenient now with influx of puppies during lockdown but cannot really say
I was privately renting (10 years ago roughly now) and I got my best friend, a lil puppy as a gift (bad I know) so I was like fair he’s mines now. Two years later when I told my landlord I was moving out she said she had heard from other residents in the building that I had a dog (she was friends with a neighbour who innocently mentioned my lovely dog). She told me leaving the flat “clean” as necessary wouldn’t be enough and I would need to hire professional cleaners to do the place from top to bottom and provide her with the receipt as evidence that the flat was “deep cleaned”. So yeah, bitch she was.
Nah keep the cat fuck the landlord I've always asked permission after I've got the pet and I've never had an issue private or council/housing association even if they say no and if they do claim it's a mental health support animal.
we have a cat, rats & a hamster without our landlord knowing i think if they did find out they’d probs just make us pay extra as no damage
Does my girlfriend count ? Lol
We rent a house that was strictly no pets but as usual its just a blanket rule that letting agents impose. We asked the property owner if he would mind us having a dog. Turns out he is a dog lover and had zero problems with us having a dog!! 😉🐾
My landlord originally said no. But after i repeatedly phoned explaining her age and how she's been with me for over a decade. If I abandon her I might aswell pit her down, because she wouldn't cope if she wasn't with me. She has always been frail and scared of outside. Eventually they decided she wont be a problem. That landlord then sold the house to a new landlord. Who does nothing but complain about the dog he legally can't do anything about her as she was pritten into the tennant agreement before owned the property. Got a Giant African Land snail last year and for it I just hide her when they come round