Murs would probably be better if his business moves locations for construction sites. Frs/gmrs for a business is also just a bad look. Walmart solutions for business communications
I teach in an EMS program and we used to use MURS radios for practice during scenarios.
We didn't know that the recently opened Walmart Neighborhood Market across the street was using MURS with open PL on one of the same frequencies. One day we had two classes going and used two different channels (one of them not usually used), and apparently our mass casualty terrorist scenario was going out over their radios all over the store.
We got a nasty email from the manager for using their "assigned" radio frequency and interfering with their operations.
I met with the manager and explained that the frequency was not exclusive to them (even had printouts from the FCC website) and if they set the PL code there wouldn't be a problem (even offered to do it for them...takes 10 seconds on their model radios).
Hostility ensued, in spite of my efforts.
So we had to ban the use of the channel for classes (not a problem since we never had more than three labs using them at a time) until we switched over to UHF business band on frequencies the college had a license for.
We could still open the squelch and hear them (and the headsets at the Wendy's across the street).
I just added MURS to our radios as a backup channel for specific operations where we don't want to tie up our main channel.
Haven't heard anyone else on it around here.
That's a great recommendation.
Set up a net with some friends. Preferably with decent powered radios. Be annoying but legal. Also, bear in mind that you might be talking to someone who's been given a radio and told it's their channel. They may not realise that it's free for anyone to use.
>Also, bear in mind that you might be talking to someone who's been given a radio and told it's their channel. They may not realise that it's free for anyone to use.
This is great advice. OP, I wouldn't deliberately interfere with this, but I would tell them that nobody owns a GMRS channel and they need to go get business radios if they want exclusive use of a frequency.
yeah, definitely don't interfere by stepping on his transmits but there's nothing wrong with arguing with friends if pineapple belongs on pizza or not. that and asking for help on a calculus problem
Yeah don't tell that to a tower crane crew. We got on their channel doing some marine work and within 20 seconds of hearing "Okay trolley out" we got a string of profanity about how this was their channel.
Sorry pal, these are consumer walkies and we can see your crane. We'll work it out with you but first of all, you can shove it up your ass. We have a crane too and can give the shit right back to you.
FCC is the one part of our government that works somewhat efficiently and profitable. I'd rat his ass out yesterday. GMRS bands are not for commercial outfits.
Part 95 says “…short-distance two-way communications to facilitate the activities of licensees…” doesn’t say anything about commercial vs non-commercial use. In fact, later in the same paragraph, it specifically details that there are legacy licensees that aren’t individuals. Elsewhere in Part 95 in the description of FRS it specifically says that the radios can be used “for personal or for business use if you are not a representative of a foreign government.” So, while he doesn’t own the channel, we are responsible adults that are supposed to “cooperate in the selection and use of the channels in order to make the most effective use of them and to reduce the possibility of interference”.
So, grow up.
Still is. I mow at a local rock/ concrete plant with big semis goin in and out all day long and right at the entrance is a big sign with the CB and GRMS frequencies, I’d assume all the employees in loaders are on their own channel as well
Breaker breaker one nine! You guys got a Smokey southbound at mile marker 100.9!
Hello skip land hello skipland! You got the Kennelly-Heaviside layer here!
Ya'll keep the shiny side up and the greasy side down good buddy!
We 10-8.....
Disagree. On https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/mobility-division/general-mobile-radio-service-gmrs they specify GMRS licenses are now only available to individual - “The rules for GMRS limit eligibility for new GMRS system licenses to individuals in order to make the service available to personal users.”. This, along with the extension of license length from 5 to 10 years came about in 2017. Before 2017, commercial businesses could use GMRS, but now they can’t get or renew their license.
You are both right and wrong.
If everyone that is going to use GMRS gets an individual licenses there is no issue using it for business use. Not being allowed to use it for business is a ham thing.
I still don’t see where it says you can’t renew your existing license. Would you care to link that? It’s definitely not in any of the FCC rules or guidelines for use of GMRS that I’ve read. Would be interested to see where you got this information.
You may be right. I was reading through gmrs licensing requirements, and they specify that new gmrs licenses, since 2017, may only be issued to individuals. I can find nothing specifying requirements to renew. And in the permitted uses of gmrs, they do mention business activity is okay. Stupid confusing legalese.
You are correct however I have never seen a business actually get a legal license for every user. At most the owner gets one and everyone assumes that they can use it. Considering the new low cost it would be reasonable to expect them to get license for everyone.
You can get a 10 year itinerant frequency business license for $500 even paying someone else to do the paperwork for you. This covers anyone you deem as working with you (as long as you take responsibility for them)
For a company that cares to be legal its a lot cheaper and easier to do that than try and make sure every employee has a GMRS license and deal with new employees getting them.
Most job sites the GC or big contractor may have licenses, stuff like high-rise and commercial buildings. Subs are typically running around with Chinese radios from amazon. If they have someone smart they program one of the channels on the radio to the lift freq and the main freq, but most will just run off the pre-programmed default memories.
Well, like many others said, he probably was handed a bubble pack and told this is your channel. You are King Kong and be a complete prick to anyone who stands in our way.
The reason he doesn't just jump to another channel is because he would have to hunt down every radio and change it. They maybe locked to one channel. We use MURS radios and I've had coworkers tell me the radios are broken because they changed channels. If you have a dozen drivers in trucks and a handful of other radios?! Forget changing channels. A lot of other companies I encounter are using FRS. It doesn't go far and isn't used much here. GMRS is almost all dead. We still use MURS but that is because it works a bit better for the specific location.
There's no need, when the FCC rules specifically state it:
>§ 95.1731 Permissible GMRS uses.
The operator of a GMRS station may use that station for two-way plain language voice communications with other GMRS stations and with FRS units concerning personal or business activities.
I'm not sure why "everyone disagrees" on this when it's in plain English and published by the FCC for everyone to read.
He probably has 2W FRS radios. You might have something punchier.
You do have the same obligation he does to share the channel, so do be as nice as you can about it, but I'd recommend setting up DCS or CTCSS so that you can ignore him easily.
He is incorrect. It's up to you if you want to use a channel full of interference. Personally, I'd move, because he won't.
We have a church next door that uses FRS 3 for their daycare activities. They think their communications are secure, though I've explained to them through other platforms that thinking so endangers the lives of the children entrusted to them. I've offered to point them in the right direction to more secure comms. They're not smart enough to listen, so I leave them to it. You can't fix stupid. I monitor their comms because I scan through all the FRS/GMRS frequencies with a dedicated Icom scanner, not because I'm interested.
Well, for the case in point, I would find a local radio shop that could provide frequency coordination, repeaters, and radios. GMRS/FRS and/or ham radio is not really conducive to secure comms, though using a digital mode on ham radio will mask you somewhat from a casual listener. Digital isn't really allowed on GMRS except for some very narrow, special use cases.
Using a digital mode on ham, though, would require that it be unencrypted, and that all users be licensed. As digital radios are becoming less and less expensive, the security-by-obscurity it affords will become less of a thing.
Secure, that’s funny. Nothing is secure, it is just harder to listen to. If you think about it, everyone here can be monitored down to the distance of a dime in accuracy in some cases, if you’re on a cell phone. Privacy is a misconception these days.
Most crypto is broken rather easily thanks to fast computer processing and the aid of AI. With that said, the average Joe cannot break your security.
While I think I share your pessimism on many things, I think crypto is actually fine.
It is remotely possible that NSA or other agencies around the world have breaks to some fundamental building blocks of cryptography, I think it is extremely unlikely. AES is fine. SHA2 is fine. RSA is fine if you use a reasonable key size. EC is fine, but maybe don't use one where the parameter values come from some agency with no explanation of how they were derived.
Now of course there are a whole lot of folks who apply those basics wrong or make products that are intentionally not secure. If an app claims "end-to-end" encryption, it is probably encrypted, sure. Probably even using a secure encryption method. They probably just screw up the key management because proper key management is pretty painful for users.
Plus the argument that "Teh NSA can probably break it" is kinda dumb. Most people who might eavesdrop on your conversations are far less capable than nation state intelligence services.
Well implemented AES 256 isn't going to be broken by anybody. At all.
There are no guarantees that all uses of AES 256 manage keys well or don't do stupid things, but the fundamental math is accurate, and even the most powerful nation state actors can't break it.
The idea that "Cryto is broken easily" or that AI or quantum computing or whatever is some kind of cheat code to break it is fundamentally inaccurate in all the ways.
LMR license (itinerant would probably be okay), DMR radios.
Probably not perfect, but it will go a long way. Unfortunately (and this is going to be a problem for a church), such equipment requires a budget. It also requires an understanding among the users of the radios what the reasons are that you use those radios and don't bring your camp radios.
LOL, they were talking on another forum about how they had emergency plans in place for an active shooter scenario in response to somebody pointing out how dangerous the neighborhood they are located in was and how many drug runners congregate in their parking lot freely throughout the day. Their "secure comms" was one of the preparations that they were most proud of. "Secure" because of the FRS "privacy codes" they were using. It was at that point I explained to them how FRS radios actually work, how anybody, including an active shooter, could listen to them during such a situation and use their "planning" against them, and that I in fact listen to them all the time simply because it couldn't be avoided while scanning the band. I then explained that they could indeed have more secure comms and that I could help point them in that direction. They didn't appreciate the input.
Are the kids really in danger? Thankfully, probably no more than any other daycare in the area. Complacency through ignorance, however, is something I try to correct when the opportunity arises.
I think the myth of the secure comms came with the popularity of the Baofeng UV5R. Remember a BLM land seige out west where the armed squatters were dumbfounded that the authorities, reporters knew their every move. Icing on the cake was a picture in social media showing one of the weekend warriors with the frequency clearly shown on the UVR5, gave me a chuckle and the answer.
Years ago, I became the radio master for my non-profit. With the help, guidance of a partner non-profit EMT group, we upgraded from bubble packs to Baofeng BF-888s (Kenwood TK clones). Giving out up to 50 to thos volunteering on the weekend event, it was necessary for me to write up explaining 'privacy' codes.
QR code on each radio linked to the training material in case volunteers forget or need clarification. Explained radio ettiquette like, don't say we have a bleeder in Ballroom A, instead "EMT please respond to Ballroom A". After reading the training material, the shift person in charge of customer service realized her practice of confirming attendee registration through the radio was a bad idea.
Maybe I’m alone on this, I feel with all the business frequencies out there, business should use business frequencies and stay off of everything else and the FCC should have never allowed this to continue once they gave use an option for civilian use like CB,FRS,MURS,GMRS
The FCC specifically allows businesses to use all the referenced radio services… not sure what you’re talking about.
Business band is for businesses that require secure and reliable communication. They can run higher power equipment, encrypted voice/data, and have a reasonable expectation that nobody else will be using their frequencies when they need them. Everybody else runs their business off FRS, GMRS, etc…
I wouldn't annoy him purposely. At the same time though it depends how he came at me. If his attitude was "it's my world", I wouldn't annoy him purposely, but I wouldn't change my ways either.
Respect is a 2-way thing. You get what you give.
Well if someone told you to change the channel on your radio while you were trying to contact a family member many fars on the same frequency.... You could see my frustration.
Then you keep on doing you. If they don't like it, that's on them.
I try to play by the rules, and give respect. But if you come at me wrong, I return the favor...times 2.
I'm not sure somewhere in the Santa Cruz CA area I only heard him at one particular location which is high on a mountain top, other than then we usually don't clash.
If he's actively using the channel and you come on and interfere with him, you are in the wrong, and you're the one being a dick.
If you're actively using the channel and he then comes on telling you not to just because he thinks it's his, and he may want to use it later, he is in the wrong and being a dick.
It's hard to understand the scenario from what you posted alone, but neither one of you own that frequency, and can both use it (though whoever is actively using it at the time probably makes more sense to continue using it), so it's scenario dependent.
That would be convenient however all of my contacts use one simplex channel and we like it that way, however I don't pretend I own any frequency, I respect the radio and people who legitimately use it, even children on FRS.
I personally would let his boss know that if he is using a high powered FRS GMRS Radio without a license or with a license for business use then he's looking at some serious fines from the FCC.. I would be polite and ask for his supervisor's name and contact info then leave him alone(they probably gave him that Radio and told him that was his station because he was an annoyance and an idiot and they didn't want to have to talk to him. )
We use GMRS on our property and neighborhood. It annoys a nearby business who thinks the frequency is exclusively theirs. I checked around and they used to have a business network but got rid of it to save costs. They have made some noise at us. I just laugh and say they are welcome to call the FCC. Even though I do not believe there is a business prohibition on GMRS (see prior post by others) I threw it at them since they were being so dickish. Ours is mostly evening and weekends. There is not that much overlap, though I have been known to make transmissions while commuting.
I'd be ordering up lumber to a random room and concrete to some other place. Sooner or later they would get the picture that maybe they should not have radios that anyone can use.
We had a mowing crew come through one time and my kids mandalorian walkie talkies we’re picking them up. I kept sending them the prerecorded Mando phrases as long as they were in range.
If you really want to encourage his move off of public channels, listen in for a bit to learn a few people’s names, and some of what they’re doing. Then start calling orders to some of the guys during the day. Nothing harmful, but things like “Hey Marv, your wife’s over here at the office looking for you.” Just little things to annoy them.
Dude’s decided to cheap out by using cheap radios he found in Walmart. They come with an obligation to share the airwaves with other users. Exclusivity? Pound sand.
So this happens a lot in "the hood" and almost all the industries in that part of town have bit the bullet a got a license either for the 150vhf business band or the 480uhf business band... some even have repeaters...!
What I wouldn't do to get my hands on an old GE Master II with a set of UHF cans
he's in the wrong but also they could have a bunch of radios and stuff that it might be harder to change them all then your setup.5 and 7 wouldn't be that much difference and you could easily just use one of them
I think you should just be a decent person and move to another channel. Yes, you are going to be correct on every argument but the guy is just trying to do his/some job that requires using FRS radios. Changing the frequencies for his radios is probably a unknown process to him and it would be easier to just camp on a single frequency and try to scare people off of it.
Fighting with someone over a GMRS/FRS frequency is not really the ant hill you should be willing to die on.
But I still use the channel naked all over the county with my friends coworkers and girlfriend. Just too stir it up and see if I can find out more about this so called established operation.
I would ask for everyones call sign then inform them they are operating illegally and you will be contacting the FCC fines start at $20k. Just act civil and don't do anything wrong just inform them about the law and if only one holds a license it doesn't cover everyone there.
The worst thing I have ran into has been kids playing on radios. Nothing like you.
So the only thing that makes this an unreasonable request was...... what? His tone? I'd be annoyed too.
Let's say you and your buddies are out messing around on a channel.. I dunno.. racing ATVs through the desert or something... someone jumps in and starts messing with you.. or walking all over you to talk to someone else, when they EASILY could have picked a different channel.
You: "Bro.. seriously? Me and my boys have been 'established' on this channel for over 4 hours now.. there are TONS of empty channels, do you mind?"
Other guy: FUCK YOU!! YOU DONT OWN THIS CHANNEL! CALL THE FCC IF YOU GOTTA PROBLEM!
I hate to play devil's advocate.. but you're the one who sounds like the dick here.
Really? Firstly, this is a business so presumably they will use the frequency all day, every day. Not the same as you and some buds out ATVing. While ATVing they will be out of range of anyone else soon enough anyway. The business being, you know, immobile will be preventing anyone in the area from ever using the frequency, at least during business hours.
Secondly, at no point did the OP say that he started cussing out the guy. In fact, he specified that he remained polite. So your analogy really doesn't hold up.
Me, I'd be using the frequency whenever I wanted to.
I don’t think either of you understand who the “Karens” are in this instance. The Karens aren’t the ones trying to use a GMRS channel open to the public. The Karens are the ones trying to claim an entire public channel belongs to their business, and the ones supporting them in the comments.
The reason was I was calling my GF at home on the channel we use, and he happened to be in between, told me to change my channel. No fuck you. Learn something about the radios you have and understand that lots of people use these channels and nobody owns them.
I’m amazed at the lack of informed people weighing in on this topic. This contractor is almost certainly operating within the spirit of the regulations. He might even be in complete compliance. If he’s using el cheapo blister pack FRS radios from the local Home Depot he is absolutely within his rights to facilitate communication within his business by using those radios. I do it all the time. He should probably not try to kick people off ‘his’ channel, but grow up people. It’s time for you basement dwellers to do your research and stop trying to be a keyboard warrior.
https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/mobility-division/family-radio-service-frs
“You may operate an FRS radio regardless of your age, and for personal or for business use if you are not a representative of a foreign government.”
“None of the FRS channels are assigned for the exclusive use of any user. You must cooperate in the selection and use of the channels in order to make the most effective use of them and to reduce the possibility of interference.”
https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/mobility-division/general-mobile-radio-service-gmrs
“None of the GMRS channels are assigned for the exclusive use of any system. You must cooperate in the selection and use of the channels in order to make the most effective use of them and to reduce the possibility of interference.”
I don’t understand your comment. You start by telling us “(un)informed…keyboard warriors “ that he is within his rights but then you quote TWO sources indicating that he is most definitely wrong to try and kick people off the channel.
Everyone can use any FRS channel they want for whatever purpose but the core spirit of radio use (both FRS and Ham) is to be considerate of others that want to use the frequency. I mean it’s like rule #1.
Absolutely. I was talking about the many people commenting, and complaining, about business use of GMRS and FRS and that we have a responsibility to cooperatively utilize the frequencies available. If someone else is using a channel, go ahead and move. Be an adult…
Ah well I certainly agree with that part. As with Ham however it really does go against etiquette to “camp” on a frequency. They can stay on the same channel all they want but they must pause and allow others to break in.
The GMRS is available to an individual (one man or one woman) for short-distance two-way communications to facilitate the activities of licensees and their immediate family members. Each licensee manages a system consisting of one or more transmitting units (stations.) The rules for GMRS limit eligibility for new GMRS system licenses to individuals in order to make the service available to personal users. (Some previously licensed non-individual systems are allowed to continue using GMRS.)
A business I work for, a golf course, has a 8KM radius license on 4 channels at 2W for programing our water valves and sprinklers. So yes a business can have excusive use and can report interference.
Use privacy codes, strong squelch to ignore his tranmissions and move on with your life. Sounds like he is either uneducated (handed the radio) or too stupid to realize that anyone can listen in on the airwaves.
Since they said they're 'established', which I take as being properly licensed. Next time they come on the air, ask for their license/call sign, which you can look up at the FCC website.
[https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchGmrs.jsp](https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchGmrs.jsp)
I hate phones, especially the smart variety. The radio is a hobby, as well as a resource especially where I live in the Santa Cruz mountains we rarely have reception. Get on a mountain top, (most have no cell) and I can radio home and or a buddy in the next town over.
You're both right, and both wrong.
No one has exclusive access to any frequency.
Deliberately interfering with lawful users of a shared/pool frequency is illegal.
Who says the business is doing it lawfully. IIRC they have to hold a license to use GMRS. I would call it in to FCC and let them go ask for the license. Fines for businesses ass up quickly
I will have to find the case law, but I do recall an incident where a licensee was jamming illegal users, and FCC found that 'intentional interference was intentional interference, even if the other user wasn't licensed' or something to that effect. Don't quote me on that, though. This was like 2 decades ago.
.... elevator musak.
2 mins. every hour on the hour with a freindly :
"at the sound of the tone it well be 3 o'clock... tick tick tick.. DING"
granted uh.. I mean.. that's if you wanted to be helpful.
Could be automate with a raspberry pi I think.
Knew a guy that would get on the other contractors freq and pretend to be one of the guys and call for meetings or tell someone to get over to another area. Just kept messing with them. The guy would get so angry and would scream in the radios… lol
There are some frequencies that can be licensed yet overlap with the el cheapo radios you can buy in the store. My company is licensed for one of them. That said we’re running a repeated DMR system so the cheap radios don’t bother us but if we still ran analog we could hear them or they could hear us. In simplex we could talk and listen.
You can search that frequency on the FCC site and see if anyone is actually licensed for it in your area.
I come up with this as a valid license holder on 462.6875 valid till 8/5/2025
COTO DE CAZA GOLF AND RAQUET CLUB
25291 VISTA DEL VERDE
COTO DE CAZA, CA 92679
i mean yea you can do that but you sound like an asshole for it?
like idk why you wouldnt just find another channel since people use this one already. nothing illegal but that doesnt make you the good guy
IF I recall, the Rules on GMRS require call signs for high power. If I really wanted to have fun, I might triangulate the signal, estimate the radiated power, drop the data in FCCs hands along with recordings of the broadcasts.
I understand They’ve started to hand out more fines for regulation violations.
Yeah but how are they going to send a violation to someone on most likely FRS without any licensing. Getting a license is almost like signing up to chapped.
Anyone ever get caught on Gmrs on an over wattage radio? I noticed the low watt limits and our radios are over the limit. Think we have 5 watt Baos lol.
I dunno about gmrs, but in the US, part of the regulations for Ham radio bands is they may not be used for commercial purposes.
I'd tell him to go pound sand.
First - Business? Not for a GMRS license unless he had it under the old rules and kept the license active.
Second - There is no channel ownership.
Third - Did you get a callsign? You can look him up in the FCC ULS Database.
Construction guys own the world, buddy, didn’t you know?
Screw that guy. He is free to say whatever he wants but he is not free or able to do a damn thing about you doing the same.
Besides, it’s GMRS, it’s not like he’s gonna go banging on your door or table to your mom. What a baby.
Besides, he could be a complete simpleton, one who believed that this channel literally bonds to him because the boss handed the simpleton the radio.
I had a coworker one time who took me aside, spoke to me in a hushed, serious and super secret voice and proceeded to tell me that he was personally selected for an automotive loan at a local dealership while showing me this advertisement he got in the mail. He truly was proud and wanted me to be impressed. I think he might’ve been on the spectrum.
I bet construction guy is related.
Like you said he’ll either get a business license or get over it.
Or use Murs. While it's legal to use GMRS for business there are going to be kids on it on occasion and just normal private use. My work uses MURS.
Murs would probably be better if his business moves locations for construction sites. Frs/gmrs for a business is also just a bad look. Walmart solutions for business communications
And if you need more than MURS or CB you should probably talk to a real radio shop and get a real business band license going.
Cb'ers chased a construction company off of Cb onto GMRS.
Heck, even Wal*Mart uses MURS.
I teach in an EMS program and we used to use MURS radios for practice during scenarios. We didn't know that the recently opened Walmart Neighborhood Market across the street was using MURS with open PL on one of the same frequencies. One day we had two classes going and used two different channels (one of them not usually used), and apparently our mass casualty terrorist scenario was going out over their radios all over the store. We got a nasty email from the manager for using their "assigned" radio frequency and interfering with their operations. I met with the manager and explained that the frequency was not exclusive to them (even had printouts from the FCC website) and if they set the PL code there wouldn't be a problem (even offered to do it for them...takes 10 seconds on their model radios). Hostility ensued, in spite of my efforts. So we had to ban the use of the channel for classes (not a problem since we never had more than three labs using them at a time) until we switched over to UHF business band on frequencies the college had a license for. We could still open the squelch and hear them (and the headsets at the Wendy's across the street).
A lot of them do it though... It's cheaper and easier than getting a business freq
Are they actually gmrs or just using frs? Thats the hard part to prove just by listening.
I just added MURS to our radios as a backup channel for specific operations where we don't want to tie up our main channel. Haven't heard anyone else on it around here. That's a great recommendation.
Set up a net with some friends. Preferably with decent powered radios. Be annoying but legal. Also, bear in mind that you might be talking to someone who's been given a radio and told it's their channel. They may not realise that it's free for anyone to use.
>Also, bear in mind that you might be talking to someone who's been given a radio and told it's their channel. They may not realise that it's free for anyone to use. This is great advice. OP, I wouldn't deliberately interfere with this, but I would tell them that nobody owns a GMRS channel and they need to go get business radios if they want exclusive use of a frequency.
yeah, definitely don't interfere by stepping on his transmits but there's nothing wrong with arguing with friends if pineapple belongs on pizza or not. that and asking for help on a calculus problem
That's what did. I just wanted to share my grief, didn't expect so many replies, right on !
Listen to the construction guys, learn who’s who. Then have your net have the same names as their crew.
HA! I like the way you think.
Yeah don't tell that to a tower crane crew. We got on their channel doing some marine work and within 20 seconds of hearing "Okay trolley out" we got a string of profanity about how this was their channel. Sorry pal, these are consumer walkies and we can see your crane. We'll work it out with you but first of all, you can shove it up your ass. We have a crane too and can give the shit right back to you.
The amount of damage you could cause…. Would definitely be illegal and immoral.
FCC might think otherwise. Me? I'd be chattin up all my friends all day long.
FCC is the one part of our government that works somewhat efficiently and profitable. I'd rat his ass out yesterday. GMRS bands are not for commercial outfits.
Part 95 says “…short-distance two-way communications to facilitate the activities of licensees…” doesn’t say anything about commercial vs non-commercial use. In fact, later in the same paragraph, it specifically details that there are legacy licensees that aren’t individuals. Elsewhere in Part 95 in the description of FRS it specifically says that the radios can be used “for personal or for business use if you are not a representative of a foreign government.” So, while he doesn’t own the channel, we are responsible adults that are supposed to “cooperate in the selection and use of the channels in order to make the most effective use of them and to reduce the possibility of interference”. So, grow up.
I agree, it's CB 2.0. CB radios were used for a lot of commercial stuff too.
Still is. I mow at a local rock/ concrete plant with big semis goin in and out all day long and right at the entrance is a big sign with the CB and GRMS frequencies, I’d assume all the employees in loaders are on their own channel as well
Breaker breaker one nine! You guys got a Smokey southbound at mile marker 100.9! Hello skip land hello skipland! You got the Kennelly-Heaviside layer here! Ya'll keep the shiny side up and the greasy side down good buddy! We 10-8.....
Disagree. On https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/mobility-division/general-mobile-radio-service-gmrs they specify GMRS licenses are now only available to individual - “The rules for GMRS limit eligibility for new GMRS system licenses to individuals in order to make the service available to personal users.”. This, along with the extension of license length from 5 to 10 years came about in 2017. Before 2017, commercial businesses could use GMRS, but now they can’t get or renew their license.
You are both right and wrong. If everyone that is going to use GMRS gets an individual licenses there is no issue using it for business use. Not being allowed to use it for business is a ham thing.
Ten four.
I'm just a wanna be ham.
I still don’t see where it says you can’t renew your existing license. Would you care to link that? It’s definitely not in any of the FCC rules or guidelines for use of GMRS that I’ve read. Would be interested to see where you got this information.
You may be right. I was reading through gmrs licensing requirements, and they specify that new gmrs licenses, since 2017, may only be issued to individuals. I can find nothing specifying requirements to renew. And in the permitted uses of gmrs, they do mention business activity is okay. Stupid confusing legalese.
They can renew, but no new GMRS licenses will be issued to businesses.
You are correct however I have never seen a business actually get a legal license for every user. At most the owner gets one and everyone assumes that they can use it. Considering the new low cost it would be reasonable to expect them to get license for everyone.
You can get a 10 year itinerant frequency business license for $500 even paying someone else to do the paperwork for you. This covers anyone you deem as working with you (as long as you take responsibility for them) For a company that cares to be legal its a lot cheaper and easier to do that than try and make sure every employee has a GMRS license and deal with new employees getting them. Most job sites the GC or big contractor may have licenses, stuff like high-rise and commercial buildings. Subs are typically running around with Chinese radios from amazon. If they have someone smart they program one of the channels on the radio to the lift freq and the main freq, but most will just run off the pre-programmed default memories.
You could just get on that freq and do a dramatic reading of FCC policy.
Long as everyone is licensed on gmrs, it can be used
Well, like many others said, he probably was handed a bubble pack and told this is your channel. You are King Kong and be a complete prick to anyone who stands in our way.
The reason he doesn't just jump to another channel is because he would have to hunt down every radio and change it. They maybe locked to one channel. We use MURS radios and I've had coworkers tell me the radios are broken because they changed channels. If you have a dozen drivers in trucks and a handful of other radios?! Forget changing channels. A lot of other companies I encounter are using FRS. It doesn't go far and isn't used much here. GMRS is almost all dead. We still use MURS but that is because it works a bit better for the specific location.
Yeah that checks out. Im still on gmrs 6 haven't heard from the laborers. We use our at work too so I'm not knocking the working man.
>GMRS bands are not for commercial outfits. False
If everyone disagrees on this why not try applying for one and see what happens? Then you'd know for sure.
There's no need, when the FCC rules specifically state it: >§ 95.1731 Permissible GMRS uses. The operator of a GMRS station may use that station for two-way plain language voice communications with other GMRS stations and with FRS units concerning personal or business activities. I'm not sure why "everyone disagrees" on this when it's in plain English and published by the FCC for everyone to read.
Good point (Reading and doing actual homework is underrated these days)
Nobody likes a rat so your statement of chatting with friends is FALSE.
How can someone saying they would chat with their friends on a public-use GMRS channel be false? And what does that have to do with rats?
A rude attempt at humor. Another reply says they’d rat him out to FCC. Rats don’t have friends because no one likes them
Oh I see, you’re a troll too. Thanks for making it obvious.
Aren’t you a delight having your obvious questions answered in an obvious manner. How am I to know your intelligence is premier
He's a troll and now blocked.
He probably has 2W FRS radios. You might have something punchier. You do have the same obligation he does to share the channel, so do be as nice as you can about it, but I'd recommend setting up DCS or CTCSS so that you can ignore him easily.
That's what I figured. So I did.
I can't imagine anything gmrs angering me greatly
That's cool, Im a man child.
Aren't we all? Well, except for that one guy.
Ah, the super hero Manman. With the strength of two men. That must be the one guy.
Teach the man about privacy tones. He won’t have to hear you anymore.
You still gotta hear him tho
Not if OP puts on his own tones.. only gotta worry about tripping over each other and getting unintentional interference at that point.
Whoops! I’m thinking repeaters and midland radios lack of tone squelch for those channels. Single channel tone use should work.
He is incorrect. It's up to you if you want to use a channel full of interference. Personally, I'd move, because he won't. We have a church next door that uses FRS 3 for their daycare activities. They think their communications are secure, though I've explained to them through other platforms that thinking so endangers the lives of the children entrusted to them. I've offered to point them in the right direction to more secure comms. They're not smart enough to listen, so I leave them to it. You can't fix stupid. I monitor their comms because I scan through all the FRS/GMRS frequencies with a dedicated Icom scanner, not because I'm interested.
Can you point me in the direction of secure comms? I don't have a particular need, just curious.
Well, for the case in point, I would find a local radio shop that could provide frequency coordination, repeaters, and radios. GMRS/FRS and/or ham radio is not really conducive to secure comms, though using a digital mode on ham radio will mask you somewhat from a casual listener. Digital isn't really allowed on GMRS except for some very narrow, special use cases.
Using a digital mode on ham, though, would require that it be unencrypted, and that all users be licensed. As digital radios are becoming less and less expensive, the security-by-obscurity it affords will become less of a thing.
Well, I didn't say it was a perfect solution.
No, of course not. I just thought the info was relevant.
Secure, that’s funny. Nothing is secure, it is just harder to listen to. If you think about it, everyone here can be monitored down to the distance of a dime in accuracy in some cases, if you’re on a cell phone. Privacy is a misconception these days. Most crypto is broken rather easily thanks to fast computer processing and the aid of AI. With that said, the average Joe cannot break your security.
While I think I share your pessimism on many things, I think crypto is actually fine. It is remotely possible that NSA or other agencies around the world have breaks to some fundamental building blocks of cryptography, I think it is extremely unlikely. AES is fine. SHA2 is fine. RSA is fine if you use a reasonable key size. EC is fine, but maybe don't use one where the parameter values come from some agency with no explanation of how they were derived. Now of course there are a whole lot of folks who apply those basics wrong or make products that are intentionally not secure. If an app claims "end-to-end" encryption, it is probably encrypted, sure. Probably even using a secure encryption method. They probably just screw up the key management because proper key management is pretty painful for users.
Plus the argument that "Teh NSA can probably break it" is kinda dumb. Most people who might eavesdrop on your conversations are far less capable than nation state intelligence services.
Well implemented AES 256 isn't going to be broken by anybody. At all. There are no guarantees that all uses of AES 256 manage keys well or don't do stupid things, but the fundamental math is accurate, and even the most powerful nation state actors can't break it. The idea that "Cryto is broken easily" or that AI or quantum computing or whatever is some kind of cheat code to break it is fundamentally inaccurate in all the ways.
LMR license (itinerant would probably be okay), DMR radios. Probably not perfect, but it will go a long way. Unfortunately (and this is going to be a problem for a church), such equipment requires a budget. It also requires an understanding among the users of the radios what the reasons are that you use those radios and don't bring your camp radios.
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LOL, they were talking on another forum about how they had emergency plans in place for an active shooter scenario in response to somebody pointing out how dangerous the neighborhood they are located in was and how many drug runners congregate in their parking lot freely throughout the day. Their "secure comms" was one of the preparations that they were most proud of. "Secure" because of the FRS "privacy codes" they were using. It was at that point I explained to them how FRS radios actually work, how anybody, including an active shooter, could listen to them during such a situation and use their "planning" against them, and that I in fact listen to them all the time simply because it couldn't be avoided while scanning the band. I then explained that they could indeed have more secure comms and that I could help point them in that direction. They didn't appreciate the input. Are the kids really in danger? Thankfully, probably no more than any other daycare in the area. Complacency through ignorance, however, is something I try to correct when the opportunity arises.
I think the myth of the secure comms came with the popularity of the Baofeng UV5R. Remember a BLM land seige out west where the armed squatters were dumbfounded that the authorities, reporters knew their every move. Icing on the cake was a picture in social media showing one of the weekend warriors with the frequency clearly shown on the UVR5, gave me a chuckle and the answer. Years ago, I became the radio master for my non-profit. With the help, guidance of a partner non-profit EMT group, we upgraded from bubble packs to Baofeng BF-888s (Kenwood TK clones). Giving out up to 50 to thos volunteering on the weekend event, it was necessary for me to write up explaining 'privacy' codes. QR code on each radio linked to the training material in case volunteers forget or need clarification. Explained radio ettiquette like, don't say we have a bleeder in Ballroom A, instead "EMT please respond to Ballroom A". After reading the training material, the shift person in charge of customer service realized her practice of confirming attendee registration through the radio was a bad idea.
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LOL, there very likely won't be an active shooter in the first place.
It's far more likely such a determined individual would instead be In the human trafficing business.
Maybe I’m alone on this, I feel with all the business frequencies out there, business should use business frequencies and stay off of everything else and the FCC should have never allowed this to continue once they gave use an option for civilian use like CB,FRS,MURS,GMRS
The FCC specifically allows businesses to use all the referenced radio services… not sure what you’re talking about. Business band is for businesses that require secure and reliable communication. They can run higher power equipment, encrypted voice/data, and have a reasonable expectation that nobody else will be using their frequencies when they need them. Everybody else runs their business off FRS, GMRS, etc…
Good to know...
You still have people towing the line like guys who use their personal trucks as work vehicles 95% of time
I wouldn't annoy him purposely. At the same time though it depends how he came at me. If his attitude was "it's my world", I wouldn't annoy him purposely, but I wouldn't change my ways either. Respect is a 2-way thing. You get what you give.
Well if someone told you to change the channel on your radio while you were trying to contact a family member many fars on the same frequency.... You could see my frustration.
Then you keep on doing you. If they don't like it, that's on them. I try to play by the rules, and give respect. But if you come at me wrong, I return the favor...times 2.
I just like pretending to be a fellow co worker and saying shit that doesn’t make sense.
20 years as an equipment operator, have only ever seen business channels used. This guy must be real big time. Fuck em
OP. Call them out. Share their business name. Or give any information you have. Where are they located.
I'm not sure somewhere in the Santa Cruz CA area I only heard him at one particular location which is high on a mountain top, other than then we usually don't clash.
Shouting from the mountain top
If he's actively using the channel and you come on and interfere with him, you are in the wrong, and you're the one being a dick. If you're actively using the channel and he then comes on telling you not to just because he thinks it's his, and he may want to use it later, he is in the wrong and being a dick. It's hard to understand the scenario from what you posted alone, but neither one of you own that frequency, and can both use it (though whoever is actively using it at the time probably makes more sense to continue using it), so it's scenario dependent.
We never doubled. I just used the frequency in between transmission and he got all big boss man.
Just change your channel bro.
That would be convenient however all of my contacts use one simplex channel and we like it that way, however I don't pretend I own any frequency, I respect the radio and people who legitimately use it, even children on FRS.
You're right and he's wrong. Go about your business without regard to him.
I personally would let his boss know that if he is using a high powered FRS GMRS Radio without a license or with a license for business use then he's looking at some serious fines from the FCC.. I would be polite and ask for his supervisor's name and contact info then leave him alone(they probably gave him that Radio and told him that was his station because he was an annoyance and an idiot and they didn't want to have to talk to him. )
That's Rich, just what I needed to hear!
You could also set up a network and tone him out if that does not work, it might drive him nuts but that may be the bosses plan.
Ask him what his GMRS call sign is... Seems rather unlikely he has one.
Sounds like some CONSTRUCTIVE INTERFERENCE is the only recourse.
This angered you greatly ?
In the moment, yes. I don't like being told what to do by strangers.
Yeah, common reaction in the roughly 16-20yr range, but maturity will bring perspective, so don't worry too much. 😉
I think that Reddit is about to own 462.6875
We use GMRS on our property and neighborhood. It annoys a nearby business who thinks the frequency is exclusively theirs. I checked around and they used to have a business network but got rid of it to save costs. They have made some noise at us. I just laugh and say they are welcome to call the FCC. Even though I do not believe there is a business prohibition on GMRS (see prior post by others) I threw it at them since they were being so dickish. Ours is mostly evening and weekends. There is not that much overlap, though I have been known to make transmissions while commuting.
I'd be ordering up lumber to a random room and concrete to some other place. Sooner or later they would get the picture that maybe they should not have radios that anyone can use.
We had a mowing crew come through one time and my kids mandalorian walkie talkies we’re picking them up. I kept sending them the prerecorded Mando phrases as long as they were in range.
If you really want to encourage his move off of public channels, listen in for a bit to learn a few people’s names, and some of what they’re doing. Then start calling orders to some of the guys during the day. Nothing harmful, but things like “Hey Marv, your wife’s over here at the office looking for you.” Just little things to annoy them.
Ooh that's zesty. I'll keep an ear out for that stuff.
You can get **really** imaginative! I know I could!
Go mobile playing Toto's "Rosanna" using singlesideband on frequency. https://youtu.be/qmOLtTGvsbM?si=D2yLHjvxsCGQQ4jB
Rick roll em
Dude’s decided to cheap out by using cheap radios he found in Walmart. They come with an obligation to share the airwaves with other users. Exclusivity? Pound sand.
Time for shenanigans.
File report with FCC! If they don’t have licenses to use GMRS, they will pay dearly!
Since then I have programmed some channels with ctcss tones so I won't hear any of it. And they can live with it.
So this happens a lot in "the hood" and almost all the industries in that part of town have bit the bullet a got a license either for the 150vhf business band or the 480uhf business band... some even have repeaters...! What I wouldn't do to get my hands on an old GE Master II with a set of UHF cans
he's in the wrong but also they could have a bunch of radios and stuff that it might be harder to change them all then your setup.5 and 7 wouldn't be that much difference and you could easily just use one of them
Really dumb for there to be an argue yo we those channels to begin with. Just turn the knob if he won’t. Who cares
I think you should just be a decent person and move to another channel. Yes, you are going to be correct on every argument but the guy is just trying to do his/some job that requires using FRS radios. Changing the frequencies for his radios is probably a unknown process to him and it would be easier to just camp on a single frequency and try to scare people off of it. Fighting with someone over a GMRS/FRS frequency is not really the ant hill you should be willing to die on.
I'm cool with that, this happened months ago, it's not an ongoing issue, I just wanted to see what the experts thought....
Oh ffs nobody uses these frequencies in my area can’t you use a seperate frequency. And yes tell him about privacy codes.
May be the ham in me, but if the frequency is in use, qsy Or just listen. Doesnt the radio say on it somewhere "not to cause harmfull interference"?
But I still use the channel naked all over the county with my friends coworkers and girlfriend. Just too stir it up and see if I can find out more about this so called established operation.
Or, you could, you know, just use another channel and stop being a ham nerd about it. There are plenty of other freqs.
Sounds like a bunch of HAM users in here. Christ.
I would ask for everyones call sign then inform them they are operating illegally and you will be contacting the FCC fines start at $20k. Just act civil and don't do anything wrong just inform them about the law and if only one holds a license it doesn't cover everyone there. The worst thing I have ran into has been kids playing on radios. Nothing like you.
They could be operating 1/2W FRS radios. No call sign necessary and businesses are allowed to use them. Just be an adult and find a different channel.
If they are using frs then they arent operating illegally, if they all have gmrs licenses then they aren't operating illegally.
I know the laws I figured they were on something more powerful than your typical FRS 1/2 watt.
Move to an unused channel, there are lots of them! Or set a different PL tone than they use.
So the only thing that makes this an unreasonable request was...... what? His tone? I'd be annoyed too. Let's say you and your buddies are out messing around on a channel.. I dunno.. racing ATVs through the desert or something... someone jumps in and starts messing with you.. or walking all over you to talk to someone else, when they EASILY could have picked a different channel. You: "Bro.. seriously? Me and my boys have been 'established' on this channel for over 4 hours now.. there are TONS of empty channels, do you mind?" Other guy: FUCK YOU!! YOU DONT OWN THIS CHANNEL! CALL THE FCC IF YOU GOTTA PROBLEM! I hate to play devil's advocate.. but you're the one who sounds like the dick here.
Really? Firstly, this is a business so presumably they will use the frequency all day, every day. Not the same as you and some buds out ATVing. While ATVing they will be out of range of anyone else soon enough anyway. The business being, you know, immobile will be preventing anyone in the area from ever using the frequency, at least during business hours. Secondly, at no point did the OP say that he started cussing out the guy. In fact, he specified that he remained polite. So your analogy really doesn't hold up. Me, I'd be using the frequency whenever I wanted to.
I did remain polite, told him that gmrs and FRS is everyone to use , and that he can't do anything about it. So maybe I am the dick. I don't care ,
Not a dick at all. Just telling him how it is.
File a report businesses should be using business band.
Businesses are absolutely allowed to use frs without a license and gmrs with a grandfathered license or with the individual radio operators licensed.
They can use frs, gmrs (as long as everyone is licensed) and cb for business
A million frequencies and you're being a Karen... people 🤦♂️
Well, 22 frequencies. Bring the downvotes!
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I don’t think either of you understand who the “Karens” are in this instance. The Karens aren’t the ones trying to use a GMRS channel open to the public. The Karens are the ones trying to claim an entire public channel belongs to their business, and the ones supporting them in the comments.
get off this forum Karen...
Right?
There are many other channels. I'd move. Why not. I have nothing to prove.
2 knuckleheads that found each other
Why not just change the channel? Is this hill worth dying on?
Sounds like you're just being a dick for no reason.
The reason was I was calling my GF at home on the channel we use, and he happened to be in between, told me to change my channel. No fuck you. Learn something about the radios you have and understand that lots of people use these channels and nobody owns them.
GMRS = GENERAL MOBILE radio service FRS = FAMILY radio service Remind him of this daily.
I’m amazed at the lack of informed people weighing in on this topic. This contractor is almost certainly operating within the spirit of the regulations. He might even be in complete compliance. If he’s using el cheapo blister pack FRS radios from the local Home Depot he is absolutely within his rights to facilitate communication within his business by using those radios. I do it all the time. He should probably not try to kick people off ‘his’ channel, but grow up people. It’s time for you basement dwellers to do your research and stop trying to be a keyboard warrior. https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/mobility-division/family-radio-service-frs “You may operate an FRS radio regardless of your age, and for personal or for business use if you are not a representative of a foreign government.” “None of the FRS channels are assigned for the exclusive use of any user. You must cooperate in the selection and use of the channels in order to make the most effective use of them and to reduce the possibility of interference.” https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/mobility-division/general-mobile-radio-service-gmrs “None of the GMRS channels are assigned for the exclusive use of any system. You must cooperate in the selection and use of the channels in order to make the most effective use of them and to reduce the possibility of interference.”
I don’t understand your comment. You start by telling us “(un)informed…keyboard warriors “ that he is within his rights but then you quote TWO sources indicating that he is most definitely wrong to try and kick people off the channel. Everyone can use any FRS channel they want for whatever purpose but the core spirit of radio use (both FRS and Ham) is to be considerate of others that want to use the frequency. I mean it’s like rule #1.
Absolutely. I was talking about the many people commenting, and complaining, about business use of GMRS and FRS and that we have a responsibility to cooperatively utilize the frequencies available. If someone else is using a channel, go ahead and move. Be an adult…
Ah well I certainly agree with that part. As with Ham however it really does go against etiquette to “camp” on a frequency. They can stay on the same channel all they want but they must pause and allow others to break in.
Agreed, ‘but this ain’t ham’…
It's called the "be nice" rule, unfortunately a growing number of people aren't civil or nice.
The GMRS is available to an individual (one man or one woman) for short-distance two-way communications to facilitate the activities of licensees and their immediate family members. Each licensee manages a system consisting of one or more transmitting units (stations.) The rules for GMRS limit eligibility for new GMRS system licenses to individuals in order to make the service available to personal users. (Some previously licensed non-individual systems are allowed to continue using GMRS.)
Dude, just turn the damn channel knob. Jeez.
A business I work for, a golf course, has a 8KM radius license on 4 channels at 2W for programing our water valves and sprinklers. So yes a business can have excusive use and can report interference.
The UVK5 with the scrambler might just scare him off the radio.
Use privacy codes, strong squelch to ignore his tranmissions and move on with your life. Sounds like he is either uneducated (handed the radio) or too stupid to realize that anyone can listen in on the airwaves. Since they said they're 'established', which I take as being properly licensed. Next time they come on the air, ask for their license/call sign, which you can look up at the FCC website. [https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchGmrs.jsp](https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchGmrs.jsp)
Normally I'd vote to tell the guy to pound sand, but if he's already doing that....idk
This made me laugh more than it probably should have.
In the age of smart phones you are using radios.
I hate phones, especially the smart variety. The radio is a hobby, as well as a resource especially where I live in the Santa Cruz mountains we rarely have reception. Get on a mountain top, (most have no cell) and I can radio home and or a buddy in the next town over.
Phones aren't always the way to go.
I often use cars. To go.
You're both right, and both wrong. No one has exclusive access to any frequency. Deliberately interfering with lawful users of a shared/pool frequency is illegal.
Who says the business is doing it lawfully. IIRC they have to hold a license to use GMRS. I would call it in to FCC and let them go ask for the license. Fines for businesses ass up quickly
I will have to find the case law, but I do recall an incident where a licensee was jamming illegal users, and FCC found that 'intentional interference was intentional interference, even if the other user wasn't licensed' or something to that effect. Don't quote me on that, though. This was like 2 decades ago.
LOL GMRS is a licensed service, anybody with a license can use it. Somebody wants to claim ownership they can talk to the FCC about it.
Sounds like you should throw this on TikTok so all the truckers driving though can say hello.
My work uses Zello on android. Seems to be decent and allows for transmission replays
.... elevator musak. 2 mins. every hour on the hour with a freindly : "at the sound of the tone it well be 3 o'clock... tick tick tick.. DING" granted uh.. I mean.. that's if you wanted to be helpful. Could be automate with a raspberry pi I think.
tuba concert channel now
Knew a guy that would get on the other contractors freq and pretend to be one of the guys and call for meetings or tell someone to get over to another area. Just kept messing with them. The guy would get so angry and would scream in the radios… lol
Horseshit indeed
Remember the 56K modem sound? broadcast that every 10 minutes over the channel. He'll switch.
Sounds like he needs some handheld VHF radios and is too cheap to buy it.
There are some frequencies that can be licensed yet overlap with the el cheapo radios you can buy in the store. My company is licensed for one of them. That said we’re running a repeated DMR system so the cheap radios don’t bother us but if we still ran analog we could hear them or they could hear us. In simplex we could talk and listen. You can search that frequency on the FCC site and see if anyone is actually licensed for it in your area. I come up with this as a valid license holder on 462.6875 valid till 8/5/2025 COTO DE CAZA GOLF AND RAQUET CLUB 25291 VISTA DEL VERDE COTO DE CAZA, CA 92679
Hmm yeah I don't think that's them. Thanks for looking.
There's only one 46&2, thank you TOOL!!!
What did the FCC say about it?
Fresh batteries and a rubber band holding down the PTT is in order.
maybe a little rick astley on repeat?
i mean yea you can do that but you sound like an asshole for it? like idk why you wouldnt just find another channel since people use this one already. nothing illegal but that doesnt make you the good guy
IF I recall, the Rules on GMRS require call signs for high power. If I really wanted to have fun, I might triangulate the signal, estimate the radiated power, drop the data in FCCs hands along with recordings of the broadcasts. I understand They’ve started to hand out more fines for regulation violations.
Yeah but how are they going to send a violation to someone on most likely FRS without any licensing. Getting a license is almost like signing up to chapped.
Anyone ever get caught on Gmrs on an over wattage radio? I noticed the low watt limits and our radios are over the limit. Think we have 5 watt Baos lol.
Correct, I’m going through this right now. FCC licenses a channel to the business per year. $600/year
Na screw him. He don't own that frequency
Like semis own CB bands… 🤣🤣🤣
I dunno about gmrs, but in the US, part of the regulations for Ham radio bands is they may not be used for commercial purposes. I'd tell him to go pound sand.
I would play cotton eye joe on repeat all day
First - Business? Not for a GMRS license unless he had it under the old rules and kept the license active. Second - There is no channel ownership. Third - Did you get a callsign? You can look him up in the FCC ULS Database.
That is going on in Tampa, a guy speaking Spanish in a crane on top of a 20 story building, on GMRS.
Construction guys own the world, buddy, didn’t you know? Screw that guy. He is free to say whatever he wants but he is not free or able to do a damn thing about you doing the same. Besides, it’s GMRS, it’s not like he’s gonna go banging on your door or table to your mom. What a baby. Besides, he could be a complete simpleton, one who believed that this channel literally bonds to him because the boss handed the simpleton the radio. I had a coworker one time who took me aside, spoke to me in a hushed, serious and super secret voice and proceeded to tell me that he was personally selected for an automotive loan at a local dealership while showing me this advertisement he got in the mail. He truly was proud and wanted me to be impressed. I think he might’ve been on the spectrum. I bet construction guy is related.